Gundam Thunderbolt review: Gundam goes Grimdark

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  • Опубліковано 25 лис 2024

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  • @2saisai
    @2saisai Рік тому +160

    I hope one day we get the rest of manga/series. It's genuinely my favourite gundam anime/movie.

    • @DICEBOY22
      @DICEBOY22 Рік тому +5

      Seems like their still releasing and coming out... Vol. 19 is out on March 21'st 2023 occording to Amazon.
      Is thier some debacle where we're missing a whole other 20 volumes or something?

    • @Jordanf777
      @Jordanf777 Рік тому +1

      Same

    • @RedHornSSS
      @RedHornSSS Рік тому +2

      the rest of the manga honestly turned weird.

    • @robmar1014
      @robmar1014 9 місяців тому +4

      With how off the rails it goes I think they are hesitant lol. I know Japan is less focused on "canon" than western nerds, but the Thunderbolt manga breaks it so thoroughly after where the anime ends it's hard to rectify. The manga is incredible though so I could care less.

  • @clpfox470
    @clpfox470 Рік тому +94

    I think the manga did a few things better (like how Darrel lost his hand) but ultimately i think thunderbolts theme of the futility of war is well reflected in the anime. The sector that was contested didn't even play a part in aboa qu. The living dead was told to fight to the last for no good reason other than zeal. And many people were killed needlessly in a floating graveyard.

    • @saturationstation1446
      @saturationstation1446 10 місяців тому

      if you think war is futile its because you cant accept the reason why they actually happen in the first place. which is to cull the working class before their numbers give them too much power over the ruling class. every single war in modern times and many in antiquity are done solely for this reason. to consolidate wealth. and the rich people from each side are always working together, no matter what you want to think. its always rich vs poor.

    • @byakugan641
      @byakugan641 8 місяців тому +4

      i love how they visualize the battlefield plus the sfx of the lightning always give me goosebumps, tho that's just my opinion on the first anime only

  • @LetMeFLY649
    @LetMeFLY649 7 місяців тому +75

    "that the full armor gundam has the least fortunate acronym..."
    'what do you mean by tha- oh, i see it now'

    • @CassDaMan1138
      @CassDaMan1138 3 місяці тому +4

      lmao I remember playing Gundam Battle Operation 2 and when they put this and the other variants of Full Armors in the game, the slang on the discord forums threw me for a loop at first

    • @enriquecabrera2137
      @enriquecabrera2137 2 місяці тому +4

      "Bring out the Mobile Suit FAGs to the frontline!"
      Or "send the FAG to the rear" sounds a little different 😂😂😂

    • @typeoddnamehere2362
      @typeoddnamehere2362 Місяць тому +4

      Could be worse.
      FA Gundam Ground Type says hello sheepishly.

  • @talonryckert6084
    @talonryckert6084 7 місяців тому +24

    One thing I love about Thunderbolt is the contrast of both sides. Two different design philosophies for dealing with this sector of space. Both are scraping the barrel so to speak for pilots, Zeon using their wounded and maimed, while the Federation uses child soldiers. Pair that with the two contrasting protagonists, and their relationships, and music, I find it a simple yet very compelling story, one of the best we have gotten recently.

  • @Strife4Greatness
    @Strife4Greatness Рік тому +62

    One of my favorites actually. Not only for the quality but the JAZZ baby

  • @epikmanthe3rd
    @epikmanthe3rd Рік тому +56

    Probably already mentioned, but Thunderbolt was supposed to, and still very well may, get a third season and so on. The story was heavily delayed due to the mangaka, Yasuo Ohtagaki devoloping tenosynovitis (inflammation around the tendons) making it very painful to draw. The studio has gone on to say they would like to continue Thunderbolt, but understandably have other Gundam series in the works at the moment.

    • @Polymerata
      @Polymerata 7 місяців тому +2

      the worse timeline to ever exist, grim dark reality of gundam that has the same energy as the original.

  • @TheFrostBITE2010
    @TheFrostBITE2010 Місяць тому +2

    Earth federations sending child soldiers to their death tripped me off.. also the extreme shocking Darrly Lorenze piloting the psycho zaku with no limbs was ….

  • @henryfleischer404
    @henryfleischer404 Рік тому +26

    I see Gundam Thunderbolt the anime as Sunrise experimenting with animation techniques as they got ready for Iron Blooded Orphans, with a story on the side. I've got no idea if that's true.

  • @leeellis784
    @leeellis784 Рік тому +17

    Thunderbolt is a series I've been meaning to get into.

  • @awkwardempire9956
    @awkwardempire9956 Рік тому +22

    I'm really enjoying these reviews. I'm currently watching Zeta Gundam but I'll definitely put Thunderbolt on my watch list

  • @seanbigay1042
    @seanbigay1042 5 місяців тому +10

    Gundam has always been somewhat grimdark, and IMHO "Iron-Blooded Orphans" is distinctly darker than "Thunderbolt." At least in "Thunderbolt" all the fighters are adults.

    • @Polymerata
      @Polymerata Місяць тому +2

      thunderbolt having the protagonist use child soldiers as a decoy is like, fucked up

  • @CMTechnica
    @CMTechnica Рік тому +9

    I love Thunderbolt. The first one that actually had me invested in the characters

  • @plaingreekyogurt996
    @plaingreekyogurt996 Рік тому +19

    This is the series that got me into gundam. The manga is also really good. Io fleming is my favorite pilot and just finished my custom mg full armor thunderbolt ver ka this month.

    • @BigMicahC
      @BigMicahC  Рік тому +2

      Dope. I'm hoping to get to do the MG Full Armor ver ka sometime in the near future. Just need to figure out the shelf space for it.

    • @KillerOrca
      @KillerOrca 10 місяців тому

      ​@@BigMicahCIt's a hell of a kit

    • @Torriotorres
      @Torriotorres 8 місяців тому

      The original Gundam, got me into Gundam. Amuro

    • @kamilazman2943
      @kamilazman2943 7 місяців тому

      I syphatize with daryl and I bought hg psycho zaku. ver ka cost 3x more where I am from

  • @niccolomiglio6996
    @niccolomiglio6996 2 місяці тому

    I have to say I appreciateyour vid: it made me look at the show with a different light and I really needed it. Thank you.

  • @lostcosmonaut1000
    @lostcosmonaut1000 6 місяців тому +1

    Just the usage of jazz, the art of finding rhythm in the chaos of noise, is the representative theme of an ace pilot who is shown numerous times flawlessly weaving through the heavy sniper fire and terrain of the thunderbolt zone, with an ace pilot themselves being people who have found, albeit temporary, rhythm in the chaos of war, just speaks volumes as to how peak of a miniseries/movie this was

  • @Balevolt
    @Balevolt 6 місяців тому +3

    Man I always thought of Darrel as the protagonist of Thunderbolt and Io as the antagonist.

    • @brobandit2944
      @brobandit2944 3 місяці тому +1

      Me too

    • @walterdenny8143
      @walterdenny8143 2 місяці тому +2

      It's funny. Cause I'm very much the same. I always empathized more with Daryl Lorenz. He's the much nicer character vs Io who comes off as a brash jerk (I know he isn't but first impressions give this).
      Daryl shoots from a distance cold and calculated while listening to soft pop, versus Io Flemming who rushes the battlefield recklessly blaring his free Jazz.

  • @Morning_Star_Productions
    @Morning_Star_Productions 7 місяців тому +3

    I think if there’s a lesson/theme to be derived from Thunderbolt, it’s that there isn’t necessarily a good or bad side in war, and that despite their actions, soldiers on both sides of a war are human

    • @Polymerata
      @Polymerata Місяць тому

      people like daryl that keeps on going and accept to be the zeon sheep to protect his crews while io being the moore childs that knows the corruptions deeper than anyone may have thought to be more brutal in achieving victory. ignorant and yet acknowledge in what hes doing is wrong but theres nothing more satisfying than acheiving victory and being alive for another hours no matter the cost, even human life. yeah hes A dick but thats why hes such a loveable douche.

  • @KillerOrca
    @KillerOrca 10 місяців тому +3

    Sweet music, war crimes, bullying the diabled and no newtypes in signt. Thunderbolt was and still is my favorite Gundam show

    • @enrique6042
      @enrique6042 10 місяців тому +1

      idk if I would recommend the manga to you then 🥴😭

  • @30dayofprogress10
    @30dayofprogress10 4 місяці тому

    December Sky takes everything good about Gundam and condenses it in one hour

  • @impulse_media
    @impulse_media 10 місяців тому +3

    My wife and I just finished "December Sky" and it's near impossible to find "Bandit Flower"

    • @jasond2333
      @jasond2333 9 місяців тому +1

      I somehow got the Blue rays for both. I believe I got them both on Amazon.

  • @RyohuHajimeRX-0UnicornGundam
    @RyohuHajimeRX-0UnicornGundam 10 місяців тому +1

    Definitely want to see where they go with Requiem for Vengeance! Might give this anime a run for its money.

  • @whitemale2230
    @whitemale2230 Місяць тому +1

    I was pretty shocked when the Feds started using child soldiers who could barely pilot as meatshields.

  • @Shadows_fall
    @Shadows_fall 8 місяців тому

    This was dark AF and I loved it. That Psycho Zaku was so awesome. It's because of the Zaku I got into Gundam. The first Gundam I liked was the Deathsythe Gundam and not another until Gundam Aerial but, the Zaku will always be my favorite mobile suit and the Psycho Zaku will always be my favorite of all Zaku.

  • @locdogg86
    @locdogg86 Рік тому +10

    I love how this show was produced. I wish more gundam shows were like it. I get tired of the whiny kids and pretentious rants and Ill timed rants.

  • @Damitsall
    @Damitsall 3 місяці тому +1

    One thing I can't stand about this series (actually some other gundams do this too) is that even though the GM is a better suit than the Zaku, the GM gets mildly grazed by a machine gun bullet and blows up. The Zaku takes huge beam canons and beam sabers and it's still fine.

  • @deleonfrancis60
    @deleonfrancis60 9 місяців тому +10

    Why in the hell do people call this not Canon it’ set in the UC era. It uses the uniform factions the story. It’s a side story isn’t it?

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 9 місяців тому +3

      There are instances of it contradicting the narratives of prior UC stuff.

    • @halifaxsteppenwulf7980
      @halifaxsteppenwulf7980 7 місяців тому +9

      It’s more… dubiously canon. It had a bunch of contradictions with well established tech and events, but other parts fit into the existing canon just fine.

    • @RsVs2304
      @RsVs2304 6 місяців тому +1

      Gundam is full of contradictions and whatever, just chalk it up to in-universe propaganda or inaccuracies as if it was a retelling. Everything animated is "canon"

    • @legomancb12
      @legomancb12 2 дні тому

      Uh... welll... the anime isn't unable to be Canon. Then I read the Manga and even though it's still my favorite, I understood why it's not really possible to still be Canon lol

  • @crozraven
    @crozraven Рік тому +8

    Based on manga, it really goes deeper imo. I would say Thunderbolt really became style & substance. It really be asking you what does it mean to bring peace & how much are you willing to sacrifice for it. A lot people be saying that Hatheway is the best Gundam movie in recent years, while personally I would disagree with it & still pick MSG Thunderbolt December Sky or MSG Origin instead.

    • @CMTechnica
      @CMTechnica Рік тому +3

      “In recent years”
      The latest Thunderbolt was animated was 2017.

  • @emmetfeely7760
    @emmetfeely7760 Рік тому +1

    7:19-7:24 Full Armour Gundam, I see what you did there Micah😏

  • @UrbanS_69
    @UrbanS_69 Рік тому +1

    I still need to watch Thunderbolt, but have built a couple of the HG kits. Wish they would have put out some kits of those Acguys, though.

  • @michaelsong3733
    @michaelsong3733 Рік тому +1

    "If your an anime fan"
    Me who has not see any of those other 3 anime: Guess I'll just die.

  • @greatwhite3512
    @greatwhite3512 3 місяці тому +1

    I love diva pilots the more shit talking the better

  • @silverheart302
    @silverheart302 Рік тому +5

    12:39 fellow redhead addict here, I gotta gush about the red hair AND ponytail. Perfect combo and then she EVEN GOT TATS, she is perfect ❤

  • @benlex5672
    @benlex5672 6 місяців тому

    Just a note that the thunderbolt sector doesn't have EFSF presence, rather Moore Brotherhood takes charge here. Think of it as the National Guard of side-4 that's hiring from side-4 refugees only. As seen early in a meeting scene (when gundam was delivered) Moore brotherhood is very rich to the point that they bought enough warbonds and donations to persuade EFSF to send them a Gundam, which at this point of the war is a strategic psychological weapon, and later guncannons.
    On the tech side, considering that the wave riders, G-liners, and EXAM units were developed during the OYW on the EFF side in the original timeline, Gundam Atlas really isn't that far off tech-wise. Not to mention all the Zeon experimental suits that were developed by the end of OYW and ended up in the hands of EFF.

  • @NeoGato2point0
    @NeoGato2point0 6 місяців тому

    I’ve been trying to get my best friend into Gundam and this one was the first one he really got into. I was curious if he would root for Io or Daryl since they’re both kind of the main characters. I was interested that he actually rooted passionately for Daryl and against Io. They’re an interesting pair of dual protagonists.

  • @chheinrich8486
    @chheinrich8486 29 днів тому

    Of course the music guy for the show, which is heavy on jazz, also worked on cowboy bebop😂😂 😂😂

  • @VoltitanDev
    @VoltitanDev Рік тому +8

    4:57 Yeah both sides are complete assholes if there's one thing I like about UC Gundam is that they don't put either side in a positive light most of the times.

  • @Jeagan2002
    @Jeagan2002 2 місяці тому

    The biggest difference between the Thunderbolt FA Gundam and the MSV FA Gundam is the MSV one was theoretical, they never actually managed to make one during the OYW. The arms/armament were way too heavy for them to provide enough propulsion to make it NOT a sitting duck xD

  • @basteagui
    @basteagui Рік тому

    lol i gotta borrow that one.
    "if you remind me of a gundam it would but a Full.Armored.Gundam."

  • @CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude
    @CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude 16 днів тому

    never watched cow bow bee boy ghost in the shell and that other one so i had no idea the famous naruyoshi

    • @CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude
      @CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude 16 днів тому

      cause i only watch bad anime like samurai shampoo dragon ball super and gundumb

  • @williamcase426
    @williamcase426 6 місяців тому +1

    Gundam is the best

  • @grizz7271
    @grizz7271 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for the vid- check your local library, they may have the Manga there 😁. The manga is amazing, and worth the read

  • @shreypaliwal9170
    @shreypaliwal9170 7 місяців тому

    Spoilers alert
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    Gundam Thunderbolt version Perfect Zeong looks amazing

  • @lockout6896
    @lockout6896 3 місяці тому

    lol I knew tank was coming 😂😂

  • @jasoncombs3232
    @jasoncombs3232 9 місяців тому

    By far the best gundam anime imo.

  • @Dinobot-k2x
    @Dinobot-k2x Місяць тому

    thunderbolt imo is the best gundam series

  • @Hazzymane56
    @Hazzymane56 Рік тому

    I was saying the music sounded similar to something fr...

  • @D3sertGh0st
    @D3sertGh0st 9 місяців тому

    I mean gundam has always been grimdark especially UC. Its just that in msg 79 they never really panned too much into the cockpits of zakus that amuro sliced in half or shot up.

  • @rmw9420
    @rmw9420 6 місяців тому

    this... THIS IS GUNDAM.

  • @pauljordan0203
    @pauljordan0203 10 місяців тому

    this is an intersting series, though I'd wished they finished the manga and anime versions of the story, and not leave it indefinitely incomplete.

    • @enrique6042
      @enrique6042 10 місяців тому +2

      The manga is ongoing…

    • @pauljordan0203
      @pauljordan0203 10 місяців тому

      @@enrique6042 well that's good news, hopefully they'll continue the anime version once the manga version is done.

  • @jaromswenson7541
    @jaromswenson7541 Рік тому +7

    i like thunderbolt up till a point. it had things i like and things i didnt. oftentimes it negated some of my least liked tropes
    - the trope of the overpowered gundam that trumps everything was negated by the high mobility zaku with cybernetic controls
    -there wasn't a single child soldier main character. all the main characters are adults and with previous military experience, and when they do add kids they are cannon fodder that die realy quick (just like how child soldiers actually perform in war)
    -the newtype stuff is almost nonexistant outside of the cult, but that was fine as it was less "super soldiers" and more "religious organization" (i dont know if this changes in the manga)
    -i normally get realy bored with gundams space combat (i much prefer ground combat), but the thunderbolt sector has so much debris that "cover" is actually a thing and much of the combat is about using cover.
    -the acguy stuff is just realy fun, realy wish there was more of it
    where the series fell off for me was when the introduced the atlas gundam. just seeing the hover skis realy triggered the "this is just made to sell a toy and not a serious war drama". i hated everything about it, it is nowhere as interesting as the full armor gundam and just overpowers everything it goes against, with no real challenge in the series. i dont know if this changes in the manga, but just seeing it made the manga less interesting to me (im still going to have to check it out sometime out of curiosity).

    • @KillerOrca
      @KillerOrca 10 місяців тому

      On one hand, hover skis.
      On the other, it's a Gundam armed with a FUCKING RAILGUN

  • @striker7469
    @striker7469 Рік тому +1

    Fucking lit.

  • @Nimrod336
    @Nimrod336 Рік тому +1

    They say it outright in the second movie "hes no hero he just a pilot who hid behind kids" I can't believe they are making a new gundam seed and not a 3rd movie. Seed destiny was crap. Thunderbolt is amazing

  • @TheIntratec9
    @TheIntratec9 Рік тому

    @Micah Curtis I hope you cover Destiny one day.

  • @mechamaniac1567
    @mechamaniac1567 Рік тому +4

    I must say that my feelings over Thunderbolt are really split. It's both OVERRATED and UNDERRATED.
    The OVA is definitely tremendously overrated because of one thing: Bandit Flower. It's just not an enjoyable watch. No, it's not because of the brutal fights and pretty terrifying fates of some of the characters. It's because it ends on a cliffhanger. Bandit Flower is just a 90 minute manga ad that's better off skipped. Now December Sky, that's a recommended watch. It's self-contained, ends conclusively and it has most of the same strengths Bandit Flower has.
    The MANGA, on the other hand, is incredibly underrated. Mecha is the one genre where anime absolutely trumps manga in terms of availability and approachability, so seeing it get licenced was amazing. And it's got so much more goodness the anime version simply never covered. Definitely worth the money.

  • @081Ghost
    @081Ghost Рік тому

    Has there been any news of a part III?

  • @tommyg4842
    @tommyg4842 4 місяці тому

    I do want to watch season 2. I didnt like this one, (Im watching this series in order I actually much prefer the war in a pocket show). Its too over the top for me. And I watched the iron blooded ophans. that also had a lot of super powered crazy moments, but I cared about those characters more so went ehy went crazy I was there! I think the characters in this are too weak and underdeveloped at least in season 1 from what I saw. I liked the losing limbs stuff, it was sad and touching but the main guy didn't seem care too much. The character from ophrans was like that too just using his body for war and losing himself but it was WAYY more felt to me. I guess the whole 4 ep mini show didn't feel good enough for me maybe with a longer streach would help me care about these people.

  • @purpleperson5791
    @purpleperson5791 4 місяці тому

    Why isn’t thunderbolt canon?

  • @redpillforreal3053
    @redpillforreal3053 Рік тому

    Its on no streaming apps

  • @giyoza1825
    @giyoza1825 7 місяців тому

    The narration is great but the actual video is so hard to watch because of the ultra low framerate

  • @johnsouto5221
    @johnsouto5221 6 місяців тому

    Michael Bay and Gundam!! How Dare You even think about that concept!! Keep that Spoiler out!!

  • @benparker1822
    @benparker1822 7 місяців тому +1

    It's not canon, huh? That's too bad.

  • @bkh3218
    @bkh3218 Рік тому

    impressive video!! yes they hired a guy who worked with Yoko Kanno on CowBoy Bebop. but i felt the music in December Sky was not as good as Bandit Flower. i'm praying that they adapt the remainder of the Thunderbolt Manga as they have barely scratched the surface with the 1st 2 movies compilation films. I want 2 see the 'perfect' gundam in animation. i didn't like thunderbolt at first but once i sat down and watched it - it grew on me. now that i understand it, i love it. if they adapt the remainder of the manga to animation it will be the BEST 0079 side story series ever. even surpassing 0083 stardust memory which i feel is the best side story series.

  • @AzraelThanatos
    @AzraelThanatos Рік тому

    Honestly, with Katoki, I've been getting more annoyed with him and constant tinkering with things.
    Glory of Losers is the big thing that kind of soured me on anything beyond his art, and he starts dumping retcons into things...with complexity only to make things convoluted.
    But I like his designs, just not the application of them with some things

  • @chrisadams1814
    @chrisadams1814 5 місяців тому

    I would be really into this anime/ manga if they didn't feel the constant need to stick so much worthless extra stuff to the backs of the best mobile suit designs of all time. They dont need that shit, just let the Zaku speck for itself. Also the extra shields just irk me. Then their is the sher number of completely incompetent pilots.

  • @marcosdheleno
    @marcosdheleno 7 місяців тому

    "gundam thunderbolt is gundam grimdark" original release 0079: thats so cute...

  • @louishavens7849
    @louishavens7849 Рік тому +1

    Yo dude are you seriously trying to hurt yourself right now? You're about to buy the deluxe edition of berserk holy f****** s*** meant get ready for some new levels psychological scars you think you're messed up now get ready, because the s*** is about to get darker than you've ever seen dark get

    • @nagiaoe2434
      @nagiaoe2434 Місяць тому

      Guts got buck broken
      KWAB

  • @azrael1045
    @azrael1045 Рік тому +1

    i hate the Atlas Gundam so very much

    • @Pokey_Puni_
      @Pokey_Puni_ Рік тому

      Who hurt you?

    • @thomasistheman1
      @thomasistheman1 Рік тому +4

      Must be a Zeon fanatic. Death to the cowardly Zeon. Love live Side 4 Moore

    • @kindlingking
      @kindlingking 9 місяців тому

      I sorta agree. Seeing and entirely company of GMs getting slaughtered in seconds so this thing (or Full Armor for that matter) can they swoop in and solo all enemies with ease is boring as hell. Atlas feels like a solidified walking power fantasy for people obsessed with gundams.

  • @BLARG313
    @BLARG313 Рік тому +6

    Imagine being ignorant enough to say December Sky isn’t deep

    • @BigMicahC
      @BigMicahC  Рік тому +2

      Compared to a lot of other Gundam shows and stories? No, it isn't.

    • @BLARG313
      @BLARG313 Рік тому +6

      @@BigMicahC false information sir. The film is a masterpiece

    • @Torriotorres
      @Torriotorres 8 місяців тому

      It's 4 books. Not a movie so much