What failed perception feels like

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  • Опубліковано 14 лис 2023
  • Failing perception makes you feel like SUCH A FAILURE
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  • @Qchaos.
    @Qchaos. 7 місяців тому +3230

    "Theoretically we haven't failed, because we know we failed, we perceived the failure." Very accurate depiction of what a meta-game reaction is.

    • @Heresor
      @Heresor 7 місяців тому +79

      That's why DMs "could" randomly throw dice and have the perception values of all their players. So the players never know what the DM is rolling for.

    • @t3hsilarn
      @t3hsilarn 7 місяців тому +43

      @@Heresor Well, I think this is what passive perception is for in typical TTRPGs. If the players indicate they're looking, they could roll better than their passive perception - but on a failure they still don't 'know' if there was actually something to find. Otherwise the DM just quietly checks against passive perception and reveals things as needed. At no point do you know there was something to find if you failed to pass the check.
      But that's difficult to do in a video game as you either just make invisible roles (which some games do) or you trigger automatic roles and tell the players they failed (which does indicate there was something to roll for) or you force the player to constantly make perception rolls manually, which is not terribly fun and could be potentially abused.
      It's a tough balance.

    • @Heresor
      @Heresor 7 місяців тому

      Invisible rolls are the best option for that, in my opinion. Even if the players are actively checking objects or rooms for "clues or traps", they shouldn't be told if they succeeded or not, but only provided information. That's why it should always be the DM doing these checks for the players, unless you have good roleplayers who don't use the metainformation of having a high or low roll @@t3hsilarn

    • @Hevensdragon
      @Hevensdragon 7 місяців тому +6

      @@t3hsilarn I mean its rather simple to implement in games, auto do passive checks, but also allow players to do a active checks, For 3d games have your field of vison be the cast area and do a effect like AC eagles vision. When you enter the mode it rolls perception, locking that roll in on all objects in that area, if you passed they highlight, if not they are locked as a fail, same could be done in 2d games but just have if be in a cone in direction your facing. Make it slow your move speed slightly when you activate it, or stop you from moving while focusing vision and players will not want to use it constantly and only using it when they suspect there is somthing. Or just be ok with moving very slowly. You could also only save the rolls for a set amount of time letting them retry later.

    • @jackfrost449
      @jackfrost449 7 місяців тому

      I saw and read this comment for the first time as the silly man on screen said them

  • @krbacon
    @krbacon 7 місяців тому +2122

    The fact even as the audience we never find out what they perception check failed on really sells it.

    • @nic.h
      @nic.h 7 місяців тому +95

      What do you mean I rolled a natural 20 it's clear as day 😀

    • @TwelveTables
      @TwelveTables 7 місяців тому

      There are bodies on the floor they don't look hurt by weapons. Open bottle with cork at the bar but no bartender. They might be dead or the culprit. Most likely a poison or deug in the alcohol. I'm guessing some drug was used to knock out the patronages and the next room contains a secret tunnel to transport them for the mindflayer. Or they poisoned and the body's are being used for a ritual in the next room. Rolls for persuasion...

    • @paulketner5077
      @paulketner5077 7 місяців тому +40

      So you did not see the mouse under the counter eating cheese?

    • @gagaronpew4382
      @gagaronpew4382 7 місяців тому +1

      yeah, i dont know what happened either...

    • @TheSpoonyFox
      @TheSpoonyFox 7 місяців тому +46

      Sometimes a DM feels like saying roll for perception, and will not reply further other than 'thanks'. :) Even if you succeed, it keeps the metagamers questioning lol

  • @drgnicefire
    @drgnicefire 7 місяців тому +1050

    I was hoping that we'd get to see someone sitting at the bar having a drink, trying to talk to the party but the party just keeps failing to notice them

    • @elecjack1
      @elecjack1 7 місяців тому +132

      Sounds like a job for Hamish. "Hey! I'm talking to you!"

    • @Pragabond
      @Pragabond 7 місяців тому +36

      Right? Just like obvious trap triggers and like a poorly hidden enemy or three but they just fail to see them because perception failure. There's nothing I love more than rolling a nat 1 on perception and just coming up with some absurd OOC nonsense
      "Fuck nat 1 my ranger forgets where he is and gets confused about who all these people around him are"
      "Nat 1 my dude forgets how to open his eyes for a few minutes"
      "Nat 1 my character just suffered a stroke and doesn't remember what they just looked at"

    • @ehall5151
      @ehall5151 7 місяців тому +28

      Maybe that guy Brian? Bran? Brain? He tends to be around but kinda tough to perceive.

    • @jasonkara661
      @jasonkara661 7 місяців тому +11

      Byron 😂

    • @stephenlitten1789
      @stephenlitten1789 7 місяців тому +11

      @@jasonkara661 That's the guy. Bruce.

  • @enzi87
    @enzi87 7 місяців тому +648

    I need a part 2 where the thing they're not perceiving is just obvious and huge 😂

    • @hurktang
      @hurktang 7 місяців тому +54

      You mean like, clue notes pinned on the clues board bathing in glowing green light which none of them looked at?
      0:56 , that's a video game thing right?

    • @enzi87
      @enzi87 7 місяців тому +9

      @@hurktang I was thinking more along the lines of like a big monster in the middle of the room or something like that, but thanks for that detail 😊

    • @berserk2424
      @berserk2424 7 місяців тому +2

      I was thinking they missed seeing a huge dragon sleeping just in front of them or something like that. Basically, the same thing that you were thinking. lol

    • @opusofphantasmagoria
      @opusofphantasmagoria 7 місяців тому +2

      yeah, i've just rewatched Friday the 13th and it's literally the vibe when camera shifts and a massive Jason's figure standing there

    • @jlvfr
      @jlvfr 7 місяців тому +4

      There is no part 2... cause _they are still there_ !!1

  • @MichaKurzewski
    @MichaKurzewski 7 місяців тому +2526

    they could also add "danger music" and "pile of health potions" that would be a total freakout

    • @kylelopez7631
      @kylelopez7631 7 місяців тому +115

      The health potions would be hilarious.
      Ben-"Rowan, can you spare a health potion"?
      Rowan-"I would but I might need them"
      Ben-"Ah damn how many do you have? Like 2?"
      Rowan- *Mumbles 400*
      Ben- 🤨

    • @davethompson3326
      @davethompson3326 7 місяців тому +9

      @@kylelopez7631 Well, he might have a bad day?

    • @Kia044
      @Kia044 7 місяців тому +14

      @@kylelopez7631
      "But it's literally a final boss and you have 99 potions with you..."

    • @CDWCAULDRON
      @CDWCAULDRON 7 місяців тому +6

      Feels like a Bethesda game, Good job !

    • @andrewj1754
      @andrewj1754 7 місяців тому +9

      What does one do with the empty potion bottle?

  • @timothyfrasier8218
    @timothyfrasier8218 7 місяців тому +3143

    We need a part two to this and find out what the hell they keep on failing.

    • @cursed-dragongaming6798
      @cursed-dragongaming6798 7 місяців тому +147

      It's like, just a rabbit

    • @aximilian15
      @aximilian15 7 місяців тому +239

      Someone was crouching right in front of them with high sneak

    • @ark_knight
      @ark_knight 7 місяців тому +138

      There's no part two. You failed the perception check. At best, they backtrack quietly, at worst, they are hanging upside down.

    • @tranquilthoughts7233
      @tranquilthoughts7233 7 місяців тому +133

      Well that would obviously be the large group of bandits that is just sitting in the room celebrating their latest heist and utterly baffled by the four armed randos that just walked into their lair as if they owned the place and then suddenly started crying about something to do with "perception".

    • @timothyfrasier8218
      @timothyfrasier8218 7 місяців тому +7

      @@ark_knight technically I meant in the actual real world the part 2 would be taking place

  • @retro6652
    @retro6652 7 місяців тому +528

    Lol, I love Rowan's sudden adjustment to avoid bumping into the hanging candle.

    • @VivaLaDirtLeague
      @VivaLaDirtLeague  7 місяців тому +221

      He perceived it right at the last moment

  • @DarkExcalibur42
    @DarkExcalibur42 7 місяців тому +149

    God your new set is fucking gorgeous. So glad I helped (in some small amount) crowd-fund this with so many other fans

    • @CromemcoZ2
      @CromemcoZ2 7 місяців тому +4

      Likewise! Love the new set!

  • @Hobbitberrry
    @Hobbitberrry 7 місяців тому +1717

    You know next campaign one of them gonna have a passive perception of 25+.

    • @auric180
      @auric180 7 місяців тому +94

      I see everything… can’t unsee it!!!

    • @ArtflPhenix
      @ArtflPhenix 7 місяців тому +97

      they should have bring the blindfold elf. he can perceive things that normally cannot be percieved

    • @acg1189
      @acg1189 7 місяців тому +22

      Liam O'Brien: "I gotta tell you guys, a +29 is pretty awesome"

    • @auric180
      @auric180 7 місяців тому +17

      @@ArtflPhenix ya, he’ll be… “don’t u see it. It’s so obvious “

    • @damaark21
      @damaark21 7 місяців тому +3

      Druid main ftw

  • @amos_fr6070
    @amos_fr6070 7 місяців тому +137

    I was half expecting the tavern to actually be completely fine and full of people just looking at them strange while the party couldn't perceive anyone was there and were constantly bumping into NPCs

    • @Raindropsinvalencia
      @Raindropsinvalencia 7 місяців тому +6

      That would have been a really funny skit actually. I love these guys in general, but I hate when they only have one joke in a skit and just beat it to death for several minutes.

    • @31animafan
      @31animafan 7 місяців тому +2

      I was hoping it was a smaller version of that were it was just the bar man trying to get there attention and shaking his head all pissed cus he was being ignored.

    • @briondalion3696
      @briondalion3696 7 місяців тому

      @@RaindropsinvalenciaI am confident that they'll do an IRL crossover. It's too much comedy gold to not do it.

  • @vexand6787
    @vexand6787 6 місяців тому +17

    “I feel like such a failure and I don’t even know what I failed”
    That resonates so much.

  • @Rowgue51
    @Rowgue51 7 місяців тому +138

    This brings back so many memories of playing tabletop DnD and having the party obsessively check for traps and hidden doors every three seconds.

    • @daywalkerp
      @daywalkerp 7 місяців тому +1

      10-foot pole didn't work?

    • @jamesandrysik4183
      @jamesandrysik4183 7 місяців тому +24

      Better yet, when the DM would ask one of the players to make a perception check, or just have them roll a d20, and then when they roll a low number the DM would just shake their head and say, "Never mind... So what do you do now?" and all the would players panic!

    • @PacificDark
      @PacificDark 7 місяців тому

      I do that IRL

    • @Fosten12
      @Fosten12 7 місяців тому

      ​@@jamesandrysik4183nobody cares about your dnd stories but yourself

    • @FalconWindblader
      @FalconWindblader 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@Fosten12The likes say otherwise

  • @Akava2005
    @Akava2005 7 місяців тому +861

    It's becoming more and more common that I get super invested in the skit then it ends with me desperately wanting to know what happens next.

    • @HappyDude1
      @HappyDude1 7 місяців тому +20

      They make the next sketch 😁
      I hate it to, it takes less work to write a sketch and to edit so they can make more. There older skits had always closure and you could see they put more work in to it

    • @williamborom9943
      @williamborom9943 7 місяців тому +13

      The open end is better and closer to how you feel in BG3 when that happns in game. WHAT!?WHERE?!WHEN!?

    • @Tamizushi
      @Tamizushi 7 місяців тому +33

      Sorry. You failed your perception check so you can't perceive what happens next.

    • @snyperwulffgaming9575
      @snyperwulffgaming9575 7 місяців тому +4

      If they hadn't exploded or got injured by then i'm guessing there's a switch or loose floorboard that they're not perceiving.

    • @snyperwulffgaming9575
      @snyperwulffgaming9575 7 місяців тому +3

      If they hadn't exploded or got injured by then i'm guessing there's a switch or loose floorboard that they're not perceiving.

  • @Gadzinisko
    @Gadzinisko 7 місяців тому +81

    Yeah, the room was full of hidden, crouched assassins.

    • @VivaLaDirtLeague
      @VivaLaDirtLeague  7 місяців тому +28

      But we failed to perceive them 😢

    • @Gadzinisko
      @Gadzinisko 7 місяців тому +4

      @@VivaLaDirtLeague That's what you got for treating perception as your dump stat 😏

    • @ZarkowsWorld
      @ZarkowsWorld 7 місяців тому +1

      Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon?

  • @jdjean-daniel1635
    @jdjean-daniel1635 7 місяців тому +50

    As propmaker set designer, I really appreciate all the constant efforts you put in improving your decors and costumes.
    I follow you since epic npc and it's still a great pleasure to see your work and the huge progress you made through your history.
    Thank you

  • @LoudAngryJerk
    @LoudAngryJerk 7 місяців тому +21

    I am 100% certain that in BG3 there are a few places where they put impossible-to-succeed perception checks just to make you do the "DM, WHY ARE YOU ROLLING?" thing

    • @Wyzai
      @Wyzai 7 місяців тому +2

      pretty sure I didn't find any so far. Although I am amazed whenever I fail a perception check and check the rolls, only to find out I rolled 2 critical fails on the character who has 20 wisdom, perception specialization and advantage on perception rolls.

    • @mrtvyanjel
      @mrtvyanjel 7 місяців тому

      @@Wyzai I’m playing with low charisma character for the first time and never once rolled critical failure on charisma checks. Instead I always roll something that is just one point lower than what I need lol. Almost uninstalled the game couple times

    • @bestaround3323
      @bestaround3323 4 місяці тому

      ​@@Wyzaido you have karmic dice on?

  • @feynthefallen
    @feynthefallen 7 місяців тому +235

    That's the video game equivalent of a DM rolling the dice behind the screen, raising and eyebrow and nodding to himself sagely.

    • @angelaharris53
      @angelaharris53 7 місяців тому +29

      If you have a really good GM, they will just do it randomly and you will sometimes never know if they actually had any real reason for it or not. My husband is a master at it.

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 7 місяців тому +5

      @@angelaharris53 exactly.

    • @feynthefallen
      @feynthefallen 7 місяців тому +8

      @@angelaharris53 Yes, that is exactly what we do. 90% of my throws are either totally red herrings or for meaningless things like who spots what kind of animal in the woods for ambiance. However, you mustn't OVERdo it, because otherwise the skin crawl effect on the players wears off rather quickly.

    • @feynthefallen
      @feynthefallen 7 місяців тому +4

      @@angelaharris53 Of course you can always bring out a huge dragon and yell "OK, ROLL FOR INITIATIVE!!!!!"😁

    • @michaelkayjr
      @michaelkayjr 7 місяців тому +1

      I used to do this back when I was DMing, but would also do it randomly without really rolling for something, just to throw people off.

  • @FaultAndDakranon
    @FaultAndDakranon 7 місяців тому +307

    I like the idea that Rob the barkeeper is Right There behind the bar having a nap, and the party just all suck at perception checks. 😅

    • @TylerZeta
      @TylerZeta 7 місяців тому +16

      Or if there were people there but because they keep failing their perception checks they can't perceive that there are people there. Barkeep making drinks, patrons drinking.

    • @hiddendesire3076
      @hiddendesire3076 7 місяців тому +6

      @@TylerZetaI’m picturing the area being used for two quests, with one having it be abandoned, so they are accidentally failing perception checks for the populated bar within the abandoned bar.

    • @Malum95
      @Malum95 7 місяців тому +3

      to be fair, he was in bat form for some reason. Who would've expected there to be a bat upside down above the tap?

    • @IcariumGaming
      @IcariumGaming 7 місяців тому +3

      ​@@Malum95well the bartenders name is Batrick.

    • @dhayes5143
      @dhayes5143 7 місяців тому +2

      ​@@hiddendesire3076 Is this a bar in a superposition of states? Schroedinger's Tavern? Otherwise idgi😅

  • @svenkollskegg3812
    @svenkollskegg3812 7 місяців тому +29

    And this is why the results of passive perception checks (or even that one was being made) weren't revealed unless someone passed traditionally (DM screens aren't for decoration, they're for the DM to quickly reference all they need to know including about your characters and the coin toss of whether they'll release a tarasque this session)

    • @themomaw
      @themomaw 7 місяців тому +5

      And thus why, if you're a DM that thinks your player are too complacent or taking too long to get on doing stuff, you can just start rolling a few dice and refuse to explain why.

    • @Tlizerz
      @Tlizerz 7 місяців тому +2

      I’m pretty sure this video in particular is making fun of Baldur’s Gate 3, which has failures pop up like this.

  • @jankarieben1071
    @jankarieben1071 7 місяців тому +35

    This is educational material for SO many players, technically players should never know they failed their perception check, because that’s kinda meta-gaming in itself. 🍻❤️

    • @Kekoapono
      @Kekoapono 7 місяців тому +8

      I agree with you when it comes to perception checks in tabletop games. Perhaps this is also a critique of Baldur’s Gate 3? They definitely called this interaction a “video game.”

    • @brodaczszczuroap7329
      @brodaczszczuroap7329 7 місяців тому

      That's why sometimes game master does a quiet perception check

    • @Kia044
      @Kia044 5 місяців тому

      @@brodaczszczuroap7329
      Or a gm can make players randomly roll perception checks from time to time with no real reason. Just to keep them from metagaming.

    • @SpecterNeverSpectator
      @SpecterNeverSpectator 5 місяців тому

      I mean, have you never felt a sense of uneasiness (you must have, I mean, the word exists for something, and this is it) it's a literal real life failed perception check, you know something is wrong but not sure about what yet.

  • @mistahanansi2264
    @mistahanansi2264 7 місяців тому +586

    It's just like Baldur's Gate 3 all over again... four party members simultaneously failing perception checks and making us all paranoid about what we missed xD

    • @Funkytrip73
      @Funkytrip73 7 місяців тому +113

      It's literally BG3 icons and perception check failures, not just like ;-)

    • @FrizFroz
      @FrizFroz 7 місяців тому +55

      On the other hand if you fail a survival check there’s only one thing left for you to do - start digging!

    • @VivaLaDirtLeague
      @VivaLaDirtLeague  7 місяців тому +146

      What did we fail?!?

    • @TheKingofSteves
      @TheKingofSteves 7 місяців тому +13

      ​@@VivaLaDirtLeaguePerception check.

    • @extremelynoobgaming4742
      @extremelynoobgaming4742 7 місяців тому +13

      ​@@VivaLaDirtLeagueyou failed to perceive the perception failure

  • @devihen
    @devihen 7 місяців тому +155

    And when auto save kicks in, panic attack because shit gets real.
    Now I need a Baldur's Gate 3 logic series 🥰

    • @knownas2017
      @knownas2017 7 місяців тому +14

      Player *Trespassing*
      Guard: HEY WHAT ARE YOU DOING
      Player: It wasn't my fault!
      Guard: Oh okay. I'll be watching you though.

    • @natsukage3960
      @natsukage3960 7 місяців тому +3

      @@knownas2017 Guard: Must have been the wind.

    • @artyd42
      @artyd42 7 місяців тому

      @@natsukage3960 Has anyone seen Rowan? He's playing the guy who needs to eat magical loot or explodes.

    • @StevenPJames-fl1un
      @StevenPJames-fl1un 6 місяців тому

      I would actually die of joy if they did a Baldur's Gate logic series 😂

  • @conundrum60690
    @conundrum60690 7 місяців тому +3

    This is why as a DM it’s important to occasionally ask your players to do a perception check for a absolutely no reason. Mumble in a concerned manner and then say nothing more.
    Make sure you’re prepared to make them find something nice in case they get a nat 20 so they don’t catch on.

  • @CannonRanger-1
    @CannonRanger-1 7 місяців тому +28

    Fantastic set! A lot of work went into it and whoever designed and built it deserves a lot of kudos! 👍

  • @yeetboi3863
    @yeetboi3863 7 місяців тому +138

    Just like when the DM asks for a perception check, everyone rolls really low, and then the DM just describes the general vicinity, leaving you in fear nd anticipation

    • @simongiles9749
      @simongiles9749 7 місяців тому +14

      The old DM trick, "It *appears to be* empty", "It *appears to be* safe"...

    • @thomasbecker9676
      @thomasbecker9676 7 місяців тому +11

      I mean, that's why 5e has passive perception, to avoid informing your group that there's something special to be perceived. One of the few things 5e did right.

    • @backslash4141
      @backslash4141 7 місяців тому +5

      ​@thomasbecker9676 Oh, I still randomly get my players to roll perception at times, even if there's nothing to spot.
      It's very funny.

    • @user-fw9tb3dx9h
      @user-fw9tb3dx9h 7 місяців тому

      I know that fear xD it's horrible

    • @thomasbecker9676
      @thomasbecker9676 7 місяців тому +6

      @@backslash4141 I mean, players shouldn't roll for perception unless they state they're doing something that requires perception. Beyond that, everything is supposed to be passive and rolled in secret.

  • @yukilu602
    @yukilu602 7 місяців тому +172

    my fav thing about failed perception checks in BG3 is when you can actually straight up see the traps ahead of you but its just your characters that dont know its there so you cant disarm them 😫

    • @MAJ0RTOM
      @MAJ0RTOM 7 місяців тому +14

      You can disarm the traps even if you don't get the perception check, some traps are hidden and are only revealed when you pass the check so ofc you won't be able to disarm those, but there are a lot of traps that are visible but are very well blended with the environment and are hard to see, you can disable/destroy those.

    • @SilentAdventurerNumber02
      @SilentAdventurerNumber02 7 місяців тому

      More than half of the traps can be disarmed even with failed check. I believe the one that can't be disarmed is trapped chests, you need to succeed the check for chests.

    • @dagonofthedepths
      @dagonofthedepths 7 місяців тому +1

      Better than BG1 and 2 where it doesn't even tell you and you trip a wall crusher trap that just instantly kills your main and gives you a game over. Man, that game made me paranoid.

    • @Firesdale
      @Firesdale 7 місяців тому +2

      @@SilentAdventurerNumber02 Detroying chests doesnt reduce the loot. You can just blast-disarm them

    • @chatsash36
      @chatsash36 7 місяців тому +1

      I feel like this comes up more in tabletop when it comes to knowledge of monsters. The players know that weird shimmer is a gelatinous cube but you still have to play your characters who may not have heard of them before.

  • @123goforme8
    @123goforme8 7 місяців тому +14

    I bet you they kept failing their perception checks because they failed to notice Byron's stack of dirty laundry that Ben, Britt & Rowan left there the other time 😅 (Rowan obviously forgot, cause he canceled his quests 😉)

  • @Aartwood
    @Aartwood 7 місяців тому +6

    Guys seriously, set design and dressing is outrageously brilliant in this episode!!! Love it!

  • @marekbykowy1107
    @marekbykowy1107 7 місяців тому +173

    Never treat perception as a trash stat

    • @psokol9383
      @psokol9383 7 місяців тому +8

      So true high perception saved my ass many times and made my life so much easier in Cyberpunk tabletop

    • @thegreatstoneddragon9432
      @thegreatstoneddragon9432 7 місяців тому

      Every DnD character I've made has proficiency in Perception in order to avoid scenarios like this. Whether or not I succeed in my checks is another story.

    • @THEMrFill
      @THEMrFill 7 місяців тому +1

      because it's a Skill and not a Stat 🤪

    • @marekbykowy1107
      @marekbykowy1107 7 місяців тому +3

      @@THEMrFill depends on a system/game/whatever rules you play by. *fingerguns*

    • @TragoudistrosMPH
      @TragoudistrosMPH 7 місяців тому

      ... I don't see why that's important
      😜

  • @RamyASMR
    @RamyASMR 7 місяців тому +41

    I was so HOPING for the camera pan to reveal the most obvious of obvious traps/monsters/treasure waiting on the other side of the room

    • @nujevad28
      @nujevad28 7 місяців тому +7

      Ah, but the audience also failed their perception check, so we don't sense anything either.

    • @yaemz123
      @yaemz123 7 місяців тому +7

      I figured there were tables full of people watching them like they were idiots for creeping around in a full tavern.

    • @Hexer404
      @Hexer404 7 місяців тому +3

      Or maybe its first person camera and we are the thing they failed to perceive

    • @HDL_CinC_Dragon
      @HDL_CinC_Dragon 7 місяців тому

      That's exactly what I was hoping for too haha. The camera just pans around and there's like 8 orcs drinking some beer staring at them like "are these people serious right now?"

  • @rikhavok
    @rikhavok 7 місяців тому +1

    hahaha! 1 No thief in your party! 2, Save reload is your friend!!!

  • @a3vus
    @a3vus 7 місяців тому +1

    Really loved Roman's acting in this! Great job mate, everyone was great this was my favorite skit yet!

  • @paulmdevenney
    @paulmdevenney 7 місяців тому +115

    Ah, BG3 has a lot to answer for. That panic moment when 3 out of 4 people have failed a roll and you only have 1 person left...maybe BG3 needs random DM rolls.

    • @afKXzq87lE
      @afKXzq87lE 7 місяців тому +15

      Real panic begins after you went to the camp, switched all companions and still failed all perception checks.

    • @knownas2017
      @knownas2017 7 місяців тому

      @@afKXzq87lE This, when you're doing a side quest and there's definitely a secret passage somewhere... ugh

    • @maolcogi
      @maolcogi 7 місяців тому +2

      Remember if it's a survival check in BG3 you can fail, then just click on your shovel, and you'll dig up the chest anyway.

    • @HearMeShout789
      @HearMeShout789 7 місяців тому +10

      My boyfriend and I were playing together and we all failed the perception check and every camp character failed too and my bf was sooooo frustrated and I stole a painting in the room and there was a button under it and that opened up the secret passage. Kleptomania for the win

    • @creanero
      @creanero 7 місяців тому +4

      "Right, three out of four of us have failed: Shadowheart, cast guidance on the remaining party member..."

  • @chartreusemaiden604
    @chartreusemaiden604 7 місяців тому +90

    I had a campaign like that. And DM was good but pushed us hard. Everyone was so scared because they were perceiving EVERYTHING and failing. Including me, I saw the DM getting annoyed and I was like " Fork it" and I ran in. Luckily, the was so happy that someone did something. He went easy on me and even gave me cool gear.

    • @snabbott
      @snabbott 7 місяців тому +9

      Leeeeroy Jenkins!

    • @santosic
      @santosic 7 місяців тому +7

      Sometimes, part of the fun comes from YOLOing it. Like, you know that doing it is obviously what the DM wants you to do because it's gotta be a trap or something, but you know, throw them a bone here and there, they deserve some fun too 😊

    • @briondalion3696
      @briondalion3696 7 місяців тому +4

      When I am in these situations in D&D games, I deliberately choose the most ridiculous solution. I'll ask the DM questions about what's going on, roll for perception, and then come up with some wild decision that surprises the DM....then I hope I roll above the number they tell me I need.

  • @Leofardom
    @Leofardom 5 місяців тому +1

    Honestly this is such a great video! As a student who studies English i was not familiar with the word perception and this is such a great way to remember it for my whole life! i hope you will make more videos like this 🙏

  • @gamergoddaniel7256
    @gamergoddaniel7256 7 місяців тому +2

    Baldur's gate 3:
    The game where you are scared when you know that you don't know something that you should know.

  • @insanesheep
    @insanesheep 7 місяців тому +24

    "How do we know if we failed at perception if we failed to perceive it?" Out here making metaphors for life are we?

  • @jacobisbell9388
    @jacobisbell9388 7 місяців тому +45

    I remember that one basement in BG3 I entered it and immediately got hit with like 30 perception checks. I didn't even have any idea how many perception checks failed just due to the sheer quantity

    • @VivaLaDirtLeague
      @VivaLaDirtLeague  7 місяців тому +17

      Ohh yes I know the one 😂😂

    • @DavisCentis
      @DavisCentis 7 місяців тому +4

      @@VivaLaDirtLeague given the setting, I really thought that may have even been on purpose. This feels like that one.

    • @Hexer404
      @Hexer404 7 місяців тому +4

      Oh my god SO MANY PERCEPTION CHECKS lmao
      I want to experience it for the first time again

  • @schattentaenzerin
    @schattentaenzerin 7 місяців тому +3

    I'm so jealous of Alan's outfit.
    Especially since we've seen him rock it in the office world, too.
    Kudos to the costume department.
    Me wants it!

  • @eiame77
    @eiame77 7 місяців тому +1

    Best D&D skit ever! I keep watching this on repeat with my husband who has been DMing for over two decades and we cant stop laughing. How one keeps a straight face when saying They must stay away from doors is beyond me!🤣 And the it hurts my heart had us dying.☠ Legendary stuff! Love you guys! 🥰

  • @MeIGuess.
    @MeIGuess. 7 місяців тому +308

    From someone this has happened to, It's true.
    Failed perception is some scary shit.

    • @damaark21
      @damaark21 7 місяців тому +17

      I stole an idea from a DM I had the once of saying to a random player:
      "Roll a d20 for me."
      It's a great way of freaking people out with almost no effort. Even if they work out it's for nothing, the next roll might be...

    • @unknownman5090
      @unknownman5090 7 місяців тому +8

      What failed perception? It just look as if you dont miss clue or interactive element in game. So do you mind telling me? I dont play this kind of game but invested to do so

    • @IainDoherty51
      @IainDoherty51 7 місяців тому +8

      @@unknownman5090 It's basically the DM doing something in the background and asking the players to check to see if anyone caught it happening.
      So someone sneaky is hiding in the room, or there is an important item that they're walking past, and the DM is basically looking to see if any of the player characters were able to spot it.
      Of course when done poorly by the DM it rapidly turns the party into a group of paranoid idiots that are stuck panicking over every action because they keep failing the checks the DM requests and have no idea why... or where the boot the DM has clearly set up is going to fall.

    • @Can-uj5pv
      @Can-uj5pv 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@unknownman5090 So, in tabletop roleplaying games (and in some computer roleplaying games) you can be asked by your Game Master to roll a dice to see if you can... well, see hidden or hard to notice things. And if you fail, then it means your character is none-the-wiser to whatever was hidden. But you, as a player, can surmise that there is likely something hidden there, since you were asked to roll for perception. And this can make players understandably paranoid or feel like they are missing out on something, even though their characters shouldn't be aware of that at all.
      It's an easy enough problem to fix though, by simply rolling the dice secretly behind the scenes, so that the players aren't aware that they have failed a dice roll, just like their characters.

    • @rittherugger160
      @rittherugger160 7 місяців тому +1

      @@unknownman5090 Try BG3 always leading with a minus to perception character.

  • @DuncanGDA
    @DuncanGDA 7 місяців тому +35

    Baldur's gate felt similar, until I realised every perception check you fail, is because they're 30+ and they're always about an ambush up ahead. So if you fail a 30+, you already know

    • @VivaLaDirtLeague
      @VivaLaDirtLeague  7 місяців тому +18

      So get ready for something horrible 😂

    • @vanessar.6085
      @vanessar.6085 7 місяців тому +3

      THIS. This was the first thing I thought of LOL. "FINE. Let me get (members not used)....and...failed again! What the heck!"

    • @jamoecw
      @jamoecw 7 місяців тому +2

      so fireball?

    • @ChromaticDragon-uv1uo
      @ChromaticDragon-uv1uo 7 місяців тому +4

      In Baldur's Gate 3, it's all reversed. As stated, the failed perception check is essentially a very helpful warning. What ends up being far more frustrating is a successful perception check where you hear the notification... but cannot perceive anything anywhere that was enabled or highlighted. At least with a failed check sometimes another character will succeed. With a success, supposedly they all know but you may not have a clue.

    • @DuncanGDA
      @DuncanGDA 7 місяців тому +1

      @@ChromaticDragon-uv1uo True. I've found myself annoyed saying things like "What the fuck did I successfully perceive goddamnit?" on too many occasions

  • @naimtarabichi7680
    @naimtarabichi7680 7 місяців тому

    This is beautiful, I’ve been tormented for some years(until some days ago) from mixed perception as a symptom of rare case in psychology.. it can be called sentimental breakdown, where I used to mix the perceived events with a recurring thoughts behavior which made me lose perception entirely for like five minutes every now and then.

  • @NuminorTheFool
    @NuminorTheFool 4 місяці тому

    Part 2 - Where it's a second group of adventurers in the same place also failing their perception checks. With neither group realising that the other group is in the same room and they're both freaking out. With the punch line being the tavern owner waking up and not failing their check and just seeing these two adventuring groups screaming in terror at seemingly nothing.

  • @dervis621
    @dervis621 7 місяців тому +25

    I really expected at the end, when they lost all their hopes, one of them finally succeeds and finds a totally harmless clue.

  • @Galliao
    @Galliao 7 місяців тому +11

    1:49 Failing without knowing what I failed at is way too relatable.

    • @nujevad28
      @nujevad28 7 місяців тому

      Especially if you're in a relationship.

  • @WERTYUIO821
    @WERTYUIO821 6 місяців тому +1

    Meanwhile Byron: Guys... I am talking to you. Guys! Come on!

  • @dominicpowis9166
    @dominicpowis9166 7 місяців тому +1

    Why can I imagine a huge pile of dead blood bodies just decomposing In the middle of the room and none of them notice

  • @Thagrynor
    @Thagrynor 7 місяців тому +136

    So fantastic to see you've got Madeleine to return! She is such an amazing actress. Hope to see more of her in the future!

    • @Sicod79
      @Sicod79 7 місяців тому +16

      Thanks, didn't remember her and they don't make it easy to know who is who when not in their main cast or reoccurring.

    • @Thagrynor
      @Thagrynor 7 місяців тому +28

      @Sicod79 Yeah, I do wish they would put a cast list in the video description for any guest stars. But she was so good in her last video (the "Falling in Love with an NPC" one).

    • @Akyomi
      @Akyomi 7 місяців тому +6

      ​@Thagrynor it was trying to romance an NPC, not falling in love

    • @jorgebaezsolis4588
      @jorgebaezsolis4588 7 місяців тому +1

      Madeline what?

    • @Sicod79
      @Sicod79 7 місяців тому

      Madeline Adams (just Googled Viva La Dirt League and Madeline) @@jorgebaezsolis4588

  • @maxnaz47
    @maxnaz47 7 місяців тому +453

    I'm perceiving that this skit wasn't as much about DnD as it was my actual life...

    • @KuroTruesdale
      @KuroTruesdale 7 місяців тому +6

      Ahh. It's DND thingy. No wonder I'm clueless.

    • @kw3494
      @kw3494 7 місяців тому +31

      It's about Baldur's Gate 3 perception checks

    • @user-ng2qx4xd1b
      @user-ng2qx4xd1b 7 місяців тому

      I got them same vibes

    • @mikek0135
      @mikek0135 7 місяців тому +10

      You have a life? Wow! How many experience points do you need for that?

    • @Nervii_Champion
      @Nervii_Champion 7 місяців тому

      ​@@mikek0135hahaha

  • @barrycavanagh7550
    @barrycavanagh7550 7 місяців тому +1

    One of the best order of the stick jokes that still holds up so well!

  • @thedeltastrat
    @thedeltastrat 7 місяців тому +1

    that pile of props looks like a dead body lol. My guess is it is a room of corpses they failed to notice

  • @AurelianRoma
    @AurelianRoma 7 місяців тому +24

    Rowan having common sense is more scarier to me than a nuclear war

  • @jaromir_kovar
    @jaromir_kovar 7 місяців тому +11

    I thought the camera would show the rest of the room and it being full of the enemies still there, watching them, while making half-assed attempt at hiding

  • @Reoh0z
    @Reoh0z 7 місяців тому +1

    They kept failing to see a mouse scurrying about.

  • @owenlastname.3500
    @owenlastname.3500 7 місяців тому +1

    That's a crazy set just for this skit

  • @TheFlyingChungus
    @TheFlyingChungus 7 місяців тому +23

    Damn y'all making me want to play BG3 again

  • @jamiekelley4076
    @jamiekelley4076 7 місяців тому +24

    Loving the vibe the real tavern set brought to this skit!

  • @razbitom
    @razbitom 7 місяців тому

    okay... the sets are getting pretty amazing.

  • @madshader
    @madshader 7 місяців тому +3

    Please make a longer format show like this. I feel the shorts are just not scratching my VLDL itch enough anymore! 10 min shows would be epic!

    • @resarox8237
      @resarox8237 7 місяців тому +1

      It's not quite the same, but they have another channel where they play D&D in the EPIC NPC Man universe. I've been enjoying it a lot!

  • @soothingcalm9230
    @soothingcalm9230 7 місяців тому +38

    Freaking love the costumes and the set! You guys are so entertaining love every bit of it!

  • @StixDarKlor
    @StixDarKlor 7 місяців тому +28

    I love that you’re using the bar, absolutely love this set 🧡
    Also, we need a follow up video, need to know what you were failing as much as you guys!! 🤣😂

  • @StabbyBen
    @StabbyBen 7 місяців тому +1

    2:02
    "*collectively shitting pants*"
    It's the little jokes like these that make me love subtitles even more.

  • @beholderke
    @beholderke 7 місяців тому +1

    Thats EXACTLY how a GM can drive players crazy. (roll a dice behind the screen, say "let's see if you notice anything... No, you failed your test, you didn't notice anything..." :D

  • @MrBacaza
    @MrBacaza 7 місяців тому +7

    What a gorgeous set!!!

  • @Kira-zm7vy
    @Kira-zm7vy 7 місяців тому +7

    Wow guys! Been watching this channel pretty much since the beginning. It's amazing how far you've come with production quality! Definitely my favorite channel on UA-cam!

  • @briondalion3696
    @briondalion3696 7 місяців тому +1

    Lmfaooo! oh my goodness, this was one of the best sketches you've ever done! Fantastic! I would put it right under the short film of Baelin's Route. We need more of these.
    This would actually be funny if there was an IRL crossover to the other sketches. For example, you're at work, in an office, and your boss comes up to you. You immediately pull out your D&D dice, and roll for persuasion or something, lol. They would react "what's going on?" and then just like Britt being selfaware but also being an NPC at a coffee shop...they immediately reset like nothing's happened.
    Or you ask your boss for a raise and it initiated combat and he or she just pulls a sword out from nowhere. I could see plenty of spinoffs from just this one sketch. Brilliant! :)

  • @KesselRunner606
    @KesselRunner606 7 місяців тому

    That set is spectacular.

  • @jonathanyang812
    @jonathanyang812 7 місяців тому +10

    These props are getting so good. Your costumes are amazing!

  • @capitalb5889
    @capitalb5889 7 місяців тому +16

    Despite never having played DnD or the any of the fantasy games that these are based on, I love your work, even if my perception of what is going on is a bit vague.

    • @calebowens693
      @calebowens693 7 місяців тому +1

      Tabletop RPGs are a large genre. Things like perception checks are big in superhero systems (Mutants & Masterminds, Crimefighters, the HERO system, etc...) and sci-fi stuff (Paranoia or any of the various Star Wars systems). I don't know much about fantasy aside from reading some Tolkien/Lewis/Sanderson and playing Skyrim, but the jokes from these cover lots of RPG systems.
      Also, if your perception is a bit vague, your die needs a trip to dice jail.

  • @pbabiesinspace6112
    @pbabiesinspace6112 7 місяців тому +1

    On odds of them all failing that many times are un-perceivable...

  • @makaimw
    @makaimw 7 місяців тому

    That set is so perfect.

  • @danielpray6049
    @danielpray6049 7 місяців тому +6

    Now do this where they spot a trap, acknowledge the trap, but continuously walk over it.

    • @knownas2017
      @knownas2017 7 місяців тому +1

      "There's a trap there"
      "Yeah, I see it too."
      "Me too."
      "Yep"
      *Steps on trap*
      *Fireballs come from all four sides of the room*

    • @grayhatjen5924
      @grayhatjen5924 7 місяців тому +1

      With a side of walking through Cloud of Daggers.

  • @kr-vm1bt
    @kr-vm1bt 7 місяців тому +5

    Spot on representation of what it's like when DM lets players roll the dice😅

  • @EbuCallinav
    @EbuCallinav 2 місяці тому

    The notes on the glowing green wall which may be clues, the general disarray of the bar suggesting a story of what happened, and the barrel full of potential treasure.

  • @ScotttheCyborg
    @ScotttheCyborg 7 місяців тому +1

    A perception failure should just be a failure to perceive. This is just cruelty on the part of the programmers. More please.

  • @Haekeldrachen
    @Haekeldrachen 7 місяців тому +6

    Every PnP Game ever! DM: Make a Perception Check. Also DM: You failed, you detect nothing suspicious. "evil grin forms"

  • @darkner2390
    @darkner2390 7 місяців тому +6

    One of the biggest fears is knowing that you don't know something and you don't know what impact it's going to have or what's going to happen because of it. It leaves you with a lack of control over the situation, which is what makes it so frightful.

    • @Anson_AKB
      @Anson_AKB 7 місяців тому +3

      when a spy implants a secret detonation device to be able to rip open the villain's veins at any time if he doesn't behave well in the future, and also tells him about it,
      but there really is no such device because then he would be able to remove it sooner or later while he now has to live with permanently *failing the perception* of where it is.

  • @vadenummela9353
    @vadenummela9353 6 місяців тому

    "Perception failed"
    Reads to me as "I feel like we're being watched"
    Or "did you hear something, I swear I heard something." And "I thought I saw something"
    As opposed to "the murderer just hid under that carpet, there must be a secret trapdoor there" or "huh, there are goblins ontop of the rafters in this abandoned building." And "hey watch out, theres a tripwire right where you were going to step just now"

  • @Zombified5000
    @Zombified5000 7 місяців тому

    all your videos are great but i find this video honestly some of the best acting from each one of you

  • @DoneDragon1
    @DoneDragon1 7 місяців тому +39

    This game really encapsulates the feeling of anxiety pretty well lol

  • @JRxxx
    @JRxxx 7 місяців тому +31

    Ben's "Disguise Self" spell is awesome. I almost didn't know it was him until he rolled like s**t.

    • @LoneFenris
      @LoneFenris 7 місяців тому

      He's just using a new skin.

  • @martijnklaassen3536
    @martijnklaassen3536 7 місяців тому +1

    0:44 words spoken by a true human

  • @decaf4me2
    @decaf4me2 7 місяців тому

    Love the set! And the skit totally gets my experience w/ BG3 :)

  • @spiercephotography
    @spiercephotography 7 місяців тому +3

    This is not what I expected, but it totally what I needed to laugh at this morning! 😂

  • @Gottaculat
    @Gottaculat 7 місяців тому +4

    Lol, I kept rolling 2s for perception and investigation checks the other night in our D&D campaign, and I was like the black storm trooper in "Space Balls" saying, "Man, we ain't found shit!"
    Funny part was I kept rolling critical success on history checks, and on the athletics checks to carry on my shoulder a wizard teammate who was blind and deaf as he scouted using his owl.

  • @ingiford175
    @ingiford175 6 місяців тому +1

    Long time ago, had a party having issues finding something because I responded after their roll 'you do not find IT' as if there was something to find.

  • @manuelessmeister5306
    @manuelessmeister5306 7 місяців тому

    very nice cinematography! The set is amazing! and the light is just perfect!

  • @shreddakj
    @shreddakj 7 місяців тому +16

    That's a sick set you've got there

    • @DefnitelyNotFred
      @DefnitelyNotFred 7 місяців тому +4

      Kickstarter studio baby 🎉 This is the Tavern set, the Techtown set is also in the studio, and their office skits are also being made in studio’s office spaces

  • @JourneyPT
    @JourneyPT 7 місяців тому +3

    😂 This seems on point.

  • @treehuggermc
    @treehuggermc 7 місяців тому

    hahah.... did you fail seeing my laughter? Always good y'all. Much love from Texas!

  • @Sebastian-rn6pb
    @Sebastian-rn6pb 7 місяців тому

    Hahaha the call to action at the end was really funny

  • @BrokenBicyclesProductions
    @BrokenBicyclesProductions 7 місяців тому +3

    Everybody here succeeded perceiving a new video

  • @jamesjones7526
    @jamesjones7526 7 місяців тому +7

    To be fair, Rowan did fail a perception check to realize he was married.

  • @LBXZero
    @LBXZero 7 місяців тому

    I love watching with subtitles on.

  • @eonyears
    @eonyears 7 місяців тому

    I feel like I need a part 2 this

  • @zogkuma
    @zogkuma 7 місяців тому +3

    In real life when you know that you failed a perception check while als freaked out about being not knowing what it is that you haven't perceived, that's the very definition of ADHD mixed with anxiety.😂

  • @arthurdavis4558
    @arthurdavis4558 7 місяців тому +3

    I got a 20 and perceived this early for once

  • @bisongaming729
    @bisongaming729 7 місяців тому +1

    this is why as a DM you need to randomly ask your party to make perception saves and have litterally nothing to percieve even if they win. just go " just making sure you're keeping a lookout". that way you can REALLY surprise them with this stuff

  • @Tedus987
    @Tedus987 7 місяців тому +1

    You failed to precive that the words on a book changed and the authors name dissapeared
    You failed to precive that the wood while clean, feels moist and rotten...
    You failed to precive the gust of cold air from the shut windows...
    You failed to precive... the number in your party... was five...
    You failed to precive the gaps in your memory...
    You failed to precive... and thus the singing continues...