@@ShivamJha00 its a lot to take in at first. At least now the way defence deployment is set out anyone can use all of the reinforcements so it doesnt rely on newbies to know where to put shit. That being saod there is A LOT of hackers during free to play times.
Having more than one map in compe matches is kinda messy because moba games is focused more on heroes networth and base defense Fps games needs to change some map positioning and strategy so they needed more than one map
Vert was not good when it released but that map is actually pretty good by now: valve put a lot of work into it, and the fact that you can hear rotations through the floor isn’t in and of itself a bad thing.
How in the hell did Horizon Lunar Colony not even make it on the list, let alone make top5!?!? The map was removed from comp even AFTER it was reworked
As much as I hate horizon, and god I hate horizon, I don't think its as conceptually flawed as the other games on this list. Having played all of the maps mentioned with the exception of the smash ones, horizon is tolerable in comparison. There aren't many issues directly caused by layouts/rooting as the others mentioned. I feel its a bad map, but it just falls short of the other fps maps mentioned. All of that is my pinion of course, and I'm pretty much a degenerate soooooooo.............
Once you know what angles are accessible knowing the agents on the enemy team and how much time they had, you can actually take A pretty easily. If you have one smoke, you can grab mid easily too.
Dust 2 is a map that has a really basic learning curve so “advanced” (face it lvl 4s cough) players hate it thinking it rewards monkey brain play like I get why pros hate it but it’s fine for pubs if anything I love it cuz the angles are so predictable I can turn the tables on smurfs that are too good for the map
@@nortoncsgo1809 bro that's what pro players said about the map. Nearly all cs pros stated the map as the worst, saying that the game play is just going a and shooting trough smokes. But if you know better, go claim that major future cs pro
@@AD-df5tm They like it coz it was fun in the old days where people had no aim and just played for fun. Tower was added at a time were people became good and abused every shitty aspect of this ass map. (Not trying to defend plane tho)
@@AD-df5tm i also hate plane, being a defender running through corridors and having a Glaz/Kali on the outside shooting you on the head is awful, not to mention the rest of the map being horrible as well
Really tho. Still remember back then when tower was in the ranked maplist and there’s no pick ban of maps, along with idk wtf kind of repel spawn peeking, queueing tower is just disastrous.
Visually at least, Neo Tokyo is my favorite map in standard games. But i also play a decent amount of rumble as well and i get the stupid version way too often and i'm absolutely sick of it
Man icebox maps are one of the most entertaining maps, yes the initial version was shit but after the patch is actually a good map. Split on the other hand
Kinda surprised that Nuke didn't make it onto the list. I know it's been fixed up a bit since its release, but I remember there being an audio issue due to its bomb sites where you couldn't tell WHICH site the bomb was planted on. They had to make it so that one site has a unique beeping sound from the other. Also it's been ages since I've played Siege and ngl I'm getting PTSD just looking at their maps on this list...
Was surprised that the Dota underwater map skin "Reef's Edge" wasn't included. Hated by the community and Valve had to ditch it midway through TI7 due to be unable to see certain abilities, such as Broodmother's webs.
Can't take this video seriously if they say Dust 2, legit one of the most loved maps in pugs and pro play, is the 10th most hated map of all time. Clearly, there arent enough esports maps in the world.
For the call of duty fans: Garrison Search and Destroy as a competitive map. The bomb was never planted on A in pro matches. Thankfully it was removed from the pool quite fast.
Surprised you didn't talk about the main issue with Vertigo which is SOUND. You can hear so much because the map is so relatively small and teams are just superimposed. You hear the rotations and rushes 10 minutes before other maps.
@@oxozy and it actually sucked in 2019, but rn it's one of the most balanced maps. Way better than nuke and over tbf, and don't get me started about ancient
I’m honestly so glad to see some recognition of how absolutely awful original neo Tokyo was. Going from standard maps consistently to some random map with ramps on the side, a skybox further away than Mars, and the weirdest backboards ever was a freaking nightmare
OG favela from R6. that map was basically speed dating as when you play that map in casual, half the lobby quits so u are just left talking to the one dude on the opposite team
are you insane?. I like the idea of the map and the atmosphere, although I think being on a burning building would be cooler, but it still isn't playable
Hereford made sense when the game first came out and it was more of a hardcore shooter and tribute to the real Hereford but once it went competitive and esports it was never going to survive any update
I don’t think I remember a single time I got a game on Paris and didn’t see a single leaver. There was this one time some dude got paris, then typed in chat: “What do we say to the gods of Paris? Not today” and just left.
13:40 In an older clip, Shahzam kills Dapr in a cheeky way on vertigo. This is really cool because they are now teammates on Sentinels valorant and are the best worldwide.
7:30 I think the biggest problem with New Hereford is that it's just too goddamn big. It's the size of two Coastlines stacked on top of each other, and the first, second, and third floors aren't distinct enough from each other to be easy to navigate at a glance. If it was just the first floor and basement, it'd still be bad, but at least playable.
Icebox is probably a top 3 map in valorant now… people just needed to learn how to play it… Similarly with neo tokio, its a super fun map and rocket labs added a whole new aspect to the game which tbh was quite fun…
As your resident Rocket League simp, I feel the need to add that old Neo-Tokyo (which I think is now called “Tokyo Underpass”) isn’t actually bad. Honestly, it can be rather fun. It’s just different. And “different” is a mortal sin to RL pros. That’s why the game has a hundred different cars but only 5 types of hit-box between them (I actually like this aspect, but that’s beside the point.)
Hi there. Can you check the sound before exporting? I know a lot of videos lot of work etc, but when you guys talk my volume is on 85% to hear and when there is any cut in video I have to go down to 35%. There is I guess 4 or 5 Db diff. Keep up, good content.
I’ve been playing Siege for more than 2 years now. And I still haven’t figured out the layout of Tower. It’s so fucking huge and the 1st floor is a labyrinth. I just recently found out there’s a little section of the map I didn’t even know about. 2 years later. And I somehow still died repelling in. Wonderful.
Vertigo is the most hated map and it gave up one of the most iconic moments on CSGO when Astralis picked Vertigo against Team Liquid during the Grand Finals which were played during the quarter finals. I can still see their faces.
When the dev has to pause when talking about a map rework to think of a polite way to say its shit and the only thing they can come up with was "its a dumpster fire" you know you have a problem
01:04 he just acted like raging, he was sponsored by ikea and had to advertise a bit. 01:18 OMG MY MAN NICKBUNYUN IS IN THE VIDEO!!! NICKBROAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR just because you put nick in the video you got a new sub :)
The issue I have with Hereford Base isn't the confusing layout but how like the Jumbo Jet, you can get killed easily before you even make it to the doors. I love Tower it's one of my favourite maps in the game.
Not really accurate concerning CS:GO. Vertigo and Dust 2 are still in the game but there are maps like Cobblestone who pros ASKED to removed. We can also mention Zoo or some old maps bad designed for competition.
Valorant players in icebox: too many angles!!!
Siege players: ...atleast you know where the angles are at
FUCK I NEARLY CHOKED LOLOLOL
DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I remember when i first started playing siege. "Where the fuck did i just get shot from". so many times.
Ikrrr. I played it while it was free for a week on steam and I was like I'm done
@@ShivamJha00 its a lot to take in at first. At least now the way defence deployment is set out anyone can use all of the reinforcements so it doesnt rely on newbies to know where to put shit. That being saod there is A LOT of hackers during free to play times.
Dota and LoL players: "imagine having more than one competitive map"
Ey what's up fellow MOBA slave
Having more than one map in compe matches is kinda messy because moba games is focused more on heroes networth and base defense
Fps games needs to change some map positioning and strategy so they needed more than one map
Imagine
Not imagining this
well in Dota, the Map layout changes every year. So the macro game changes a lot with each iteration
for every king's row there's a Hereford or Piccadilly.
Piccadilly was only played for search and destroy in comp, but my god were all thr bomb sites awful and it was a snipers heaven
Dashy's Paradise lmao
I live in Hereford lol
@@WeirdOwenPosts We should start a gofundme so you can move :P
@@NathansWargames pls do internet is a hamster in a wheel not good
9:18 has to be the most insane voice crack ive ever witnessed holy shit
13:12 also
My voice cracked when i laughed at this :D
This entire list could be just R6S
bruh fr, hereford base, tower, yacht, favela, house, theme park, just to name a few
@@goncaloduarte7188 ong
@@goncaloduarte7188 Theme slaps sometimes, the other ones can go to hell
@@Sealdrop Theme Park never slaps my guy
@@goncaloduarte7188 I don't know why, but I've been enjoying yacht lately
Vert was not good when it released but that map is actually pretty good by now: valve put a lot of work into it, and the fact that you can hear rotations through the floor isn’t in and of itself a bad thing.
In n
How in the hell did Horizon Lunar Colony not even make it on the list, let alone make top5!?!? The map was removed from comp even AFTER it was reworked
Paris is a million times worse
But yeah Horizon should have been here too.
Yes! Horizon!!! Where is that @$kj!?’kingg map???
@@gedster Paris is fucking impossible to attack on
paris was worse. also overwatch as a game has tanks which make bad maps more tolerable
As much as I hate horizon, and god I hate horizon, I don't think its as conceptually flawed as the other games on this list. Having played all of the maps mentioned with the exception of the smash ones, horizon is tolerable in comparison. There aren't many issues directly caused by layouts/rooting as the others mentioned. I feel its a bad map, but it just falls short of the other fps maps mentioned. All of that is my pinion of course, and I'm pretty much a degenerate soooooooo.............
I love that the last three maps in valorant have somehow gotten progressively worse. Icebox is somewhat forgivable after fracture….
Once you know what angles are accessible knowing the agents on the enemy team and how much time they had, you can actually take A pretty easily. If you have one smoke, you can grab mid easily too.
Tbh all valorant maps kinda suck imo. Ascent is the only one that is good tbh
13:48 Shaz just killed his future teammate
Imagine know your coach and teammate trolled you that hard in the past haha
Just what I was thinking lmao
Exactly what I was thinking
13:48 when Shaz kills Dapr it makes me realize how far these guys came from CS
Dust II most loved and most hated.
The definition of "I love it but I hate it"
cs 1.6 dust 2 is goated csgo is ass
you love to hate it
Dust 2 is a map that has a really basic learning curve so “advanced” (face it lvl 4s cough) players hate it thinking it rewards monkey brain play like I get why pros hate it but it’s fine for pubs if anything I love it cuz the angles are so predictable I can turn the tables on smurfs that are too good for the map
@@JaxReds faceit lvl 4 is absolutely nowhere near advanced 😂
maaaaan once vertigo got reworked it’s not half bad now, y’all just only used old vertigo clips
Probably because it was mainly old vertigo they were talking about. Vertigo still sucks though.
Vertigo is still shit, go A and shoot through smoke is like 80% of gameplay
@@iiMaGinENation I mean no, you just dont know how to play it
same as icebox
@@nortoncsgo1809 bro that's what pro players said about the map. Nearly all cs pros stated the map as the worst, saying that the game play is just going a and shooting trough smokes. But if you know better, go claim that major future cs pro
13:46 ShaZam dunking on dapr back then LOL
Lol
Did not expect to see myself in this video. Sage Mains Rise UP! @3:27
LETS GOOO
there he is lets goooo!!!!
Of course tower had to be number 1, I honestly don't know a single person that likes that map
Yeah but half of siege players love plane which is just an utterly broken and terrible map, so that doesn't mean much.
(Tower does suck though)
@@AD-df5tm They like it coz it was fun in the old days where people had no aim and just played for fun. Tower was added at a time were people became good and abused every shitty aspect of this ass map. (Not trying to defend plane tho)
i like, i know no one cares
@@AD-df5tm i also hate plane, being a defender running through corridors and having a Glaz/Kali on the outside shooting you on the head is awful, not to mention the rest of the map being horrible as well
Really tho. Still remember back then when tower was in the ranked maplist and there’s no pick ban of maps, along with idk wtf kind of repel spawn peeking, queueing tower is just disastrous.
Most People: Our game has a really bad map
World of Tanks players: LOL
Every map in WoT is bad HAHAHA
Havent watched yet but I'm already expecting icebox and breeze
Edit: finished watching, you guys forgot breeze
maybe 80 percent of R6 maps
@meme is my life i think valorant is just easier for beginners to pick up so it gains more popularity
@@arcanev4 every time riot steals valves ideas they just take right off and become more popular.
why is breeze bad i don't get it only silver people complain cuz the can't fucking aim and need to play judge every round
i hate Icebox Tolerate Breeze
Didnt expect Rocket League, but totally agree. Maps awful
Visually at least, Neo Tokyo is my favorite map in standard games. But i also play a decent amount of rumble as well and i get the stupid version way too often and i'm absolutely sick of it
Let me introduce you to old Starbase Arc and Wasteland
@lil_diabetes wdym, starbase is a great map, i love not having walls on my rocket league map and taking 30 minutes to get to the nearest boost pad
They forgot starbase arc. That was trash too
I already knew PS in Melee and Lylat in Smash 4 was coming
Smash4 lylat was a nightmare. I actually don't mind it in ultimate, but man was it bad in the Wii U days
Man icebox maps are one of the most entertaining maps, yes the initial version was shit but after the patch is actually a good map. Split on the other hand
Icebox is so annoying to play on Fracture is another story
We all hated icebox... but we never knew that wasn't the real test.
Breeze was a bad idea
@@johannavori8698 *flashbacks to getting opped across the map when I’m pushing mid*
i hated icebox before riot hit us with the viper buffs. now its okay for me i guess.
Nah it's a fine map if you run viper but yea otherwise it can cause you suffering
that niko clip at the beginning has gotta be one of my favorite cs clip, gets me laughing every time
I’m happy they had neo Tokyo in there
Kinda surprised that Nuke didn't make it onto the list. I know it's been fixed up a bit since its release, but I remember there being an audio issue due to its bomb sites where you couldn't tell WHICH site the bomb was planted on. They had to make it so that one site has a unique beeping sound from the other.
Also it's been ages since I've played Siege and ngl I'm getting PTSD just looking at their maps on this list...
Nuke is the best map in the game though
Nice diversity of maps and games, love to see some Rocket League and Smash
You spelt my name wrong but thanks for the feature at 5:45 haha
that one's on me lol, my bad
@@Ryan_McKenna surprised you even found the clip tbh haha
Every time Tower comes up in matchmaking literally everyone leaves the lobby
MW 2019: Arklov Peak. You could literally infinitely spawn backwards on the map on one side father and farther away lol
The list is for esports. Arklov was only an snd map
Love the Siege Content and great editing from you guys always! Keep it up!
can't wait for this list to learn about fracture
Expectations: Icebox, Dust 2, Paris and Horizon
dont forget Consulate, Tower, Favela, Outback and Fortress
@@wildeskompositum9556 U also got Hereford
@@wildeskompositum9556 consulat isnt as bad as the others imo
@@wildeskompositum9556 Tower, Outback and Fortress have never been in the competitive map pool.
Icebox is not hated now
Was surprised that the Dota underwater map skin "Reef's Edge" wasn't included. Hated by the community and Valve had to ditch it midway through TI7 due to be unable to see certain abilities, such as Broodmother's webs.
Can't take this video seriously if they say Dust 2, legit one of the most loved maps in pugs and pro play, is the 10th most hated map of all time. Clearly, there arent enough esports maps in the world.
yes a lot of people like it, but just as many people hate it with the same passion
Ye fuck D2 man, I'd call it ancient map design, but that could be misunderstood.
dust 2 is 100% loved by more people than it is hated, contrary to what the video says. Whose idea was it to include that map in this list
@hanibal so many maps came and went. Theres a reason dust 2 still stands tall
Gonna also add the Sochi Autodrom from F1 2021
For the call of duty fans: Garrison Search and Destroy as a competitive map.
The bomb was never planted on A in pro matches.
Thankfully it was removed from the pool quite fast.
Garrison is actually good for other game modes though, Piccadilly sucks all around
Valorant Players: Dang thr first nee map sucks, ice box is dog crap
R6 Players: First time?
Surprised you didn't talk about the main issue with Vertigo which is SOUND. You can hear so much because the map is so relatively small and teams are just superimposed. You hear the rotations and rushes 10 minutes before other maps.
That kids voice breaking as hard as it did on the Smash Bros level killed me lmao
tbh vertigo is one of the most played maps, it now is a viable map (if you take time to know what you're doing)
yea most of the clips they showed were from 2019 lol
@@oxozy and it actually sucked in 2019, but rn it's one of the most balanced maps. Way better than nuke and over tbf, and don't get me started about ancient
I’m honestly so glad to see some recognition of how absolutely awful original neo Tokyo was. Going from standard maps consistently to some random map with ramps on the side, a skybox further away than Mars, and the weirdest backboards ever was a freaking nightmare
14:00 there is literally one ladder on this map and basically everything this guy has said about the map is dumb asf, has this guy ever played cs
Probably not, or he is silver
OG favela from R6. that map was basically speed dating as when you play that map in casual, half the lobby quits so u are just left talking to the one dude on the opposite team
I think OG Favela might be the worst thing Siege has ever made.
I actually like vertigo. With its current iteration, past ones were unplayable
are you insane?. I like the idea of the map and the atmosphere, although I think being on a burning building would be cooler, but it still isn't playable
@@T-Bone_SSteak nah fuck you vertigo is gud
@@T-Bone_SSteak I mean vertigo is a really great map (if you exclude the horrible mid)and it's a map worth trying
Hereford made sense when the game first came out and it was more of a hardcore shooter and tribute to the real Hereford but once it went competitive and esports it was never going to survive any update
Damn Niko was so upset about that Dust 2 B rush he forgot to have an accent
I can smell tears. I can smell the sweat. The screams of players slowly disappearing as they fall down. This must be Vertigo.
Lmfaooo the voice crack at 9:15
Couldnt even understand what he said lmao
@@imtripp1n brAWl's better
Steepsteps has the best sage guides dude's cracked
I know fighting games dont often get mentioned, especially smash but lylat better be on here (if they count stages as maps)
Edit: CALLED IT
And well deserved
Smash is a party game
@@69Bloodstreaks It can be both. That’s what makes it so popular.
I don’t think I remember a single time I got a game on Paris and didn’t see a single leaver. There was this one time some dude got paris, then typed in chat: “What do we say to the gods of Paris? Not today” and just left.
og icebox sucked, it's pretty good now tho
as a valorant outsider, im more of an overwatch player, icebox is the only map i have fun on lmao
Damn Danny Burke, you're looking like a legend rn
facts
Who is here after dust 2 changes?
13:40 In an older clip, Shahzam kills Dapr in a cheeky way on vertigo. This is really cool because they are now teammates on Sentinels valorant and are the best worldwide.
from the beginning, I knew that vertigo has to be on the list
No halo? With how many stinkers that game has had in it's map pools over the years?
Let’s be honest most maps that suck are British maps
True but kings row is the exception lmao
King's row is amazing dude
I saw the title and instantly thought “where is tower gonna be”
Danny lookin' fresh with that new haircut!
The amount of times the entire enemy team has left the game, when they got Paris is hilarious.
Happens to me so often xD
I think icebox after the reworks it’s had is good now. I also find myself liking breeze more after the reworks
props for including some og cod youtubers
I think there will be mirage dd2 and inferno
UPD: WTF IS VERTIGO DOING IN THIS LIST DUDE
bet u never played vertigo on comp
@@slavchems4759 Faceit only my guy
7:30 I think the biggest problem with New Hereford is that it's just too goddamn big. It's the size of two Coastlines stacked on top of each other, and the first, second, and third floors aren't distinct enough from each other to be easy to navigate at a glance. If it was just the first floor and basement, it'd still be bad, but at least playable.
How the hell you forgot Breeze from Valorant? It literally made me like Icebox!!🤣🤣
@hanibal It's way worse than Icebox. It's gonna take a lot more updates compared to Icebox for Breeze to be on that same level.
paris being here but not horizon is a crime
surprised Nuke wasn't on this list, i remember it almost always being banned at any csgo pro tournys
cuz its actually really good map rn
strongest dust 2 fan vs weakest Nuke enjoyer
I just remember when Paris was still in Comp. Every game in high elo game(I'm 4200) would start with someone saying in chat "Any dodgers?"
I mean neither tower nor new Hereford have ever been in esports just ranked and casual but sure I guess
Favela was in pro League back when it came out and it was a fucking nightmare. Not sure how it's not on this list.
Tower was in PL but I forgot this is the internet and checking something before you say it isn’t possible my b
@@PeefBurstein You should check it first mate, Tower was never in PL.
@@PeefBurstein when exactly?
@@PeefBurstein it has never been in PL, ever
Icebox is probably a top 3 map in valorant now… people just needed to learn how to play it…
Similarly with neo tokio, its a super fun map and rocket labs added a whole new aspect to the game which tbh was quite fun…
icebox is really good imo
The idea of playing Piccadilly SnD one more time would make me retire forever.
Naaah, icebox had been one of my fav map, after when it got some changes in the new patch notes.
I personally think HCL is worse than Paris in Overwatch
Dust 2 isnt bad, vertigo is fine and mans literally put lylat on the list while not having melee battlefield...
melee battlefield's ledge is janky but people never hated it like lylat...
I've never heard of a ban battlefield debate
As your resident Rocket League simp, I feel the need to add that old Neo-Tokyo (which I think is now called “Tokyo Underpass”) isn’t actually bad. Honestly, it can be rather fun. It’s just different.
And “different” is a mortal sin to RL pros. That’s why the game has a hundred different cars but only 5 types of hit-box between them (I actually like this aspect, but that’s beside the point.)
It saddens me to see Vertigo on your number 2 spot in this list, its my favourtie map and no I'm not a shitty gold nova... I'm a supreme
I agree, I enjoy vertigo too. The reason its hated is because of all of its old versions, and the need to undergo many reworks.
"This is stupid. This game sucks dude. BrAwL's BeTTer" his voice crack is hilarious
if you dont like icebox youre just bad at the game, when you understand how it works its so much easier
i believe they were talking about og icebox in this video. i think most people enjoy or at least are fine with playing on icebox now after the rework.
Icebox the most interesting competitive map to watch besides maybe haven
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@@user-tr1qd4ss8m cry?
Hi there. Can you check the sound before exporting? I know a lot of videos lot of work etc, but when you guys talk my volume is on 85% to hear and when there is any cut in video I have to go down to 35%. There is I guess 4 or 5 Db diff. Keep up, good content.
My favourite part about Vertigo is getting jumpscared by footsteps 2 floors below me.
Icebox making CS frogs mald because they have to aim vertically DOES put a smile on my face.
Ok
I’ve been playing Siege for more than 2 years now. And I still haven’t figured out the layout of Tower. It’s so fucking huge and the 1st floor is a labyrinth. I just recently found out there’s a little section of the map I didn’t even know about. 2 years later. And I somehow still died repelling in. Wonderful.
number 1 now: fracture
Calling vertigo worse than icebox must be a crime
Vertigo is the most hated map and it gave up one of the most iconic moments on CSGO when Astralis picked Vertigo against Team Liquid during the Grand Finals which were played during the quarter finals. I can still see their faces.
When the dev has to pause when talking about a map rework to think of a polite way to say its shit and the only thing they can come up with was "its a dumpster fire" you know you have a problem
"brAWLs bETter"
LMAOOOO i am dying holy shit
I hope you make a part 2 for fracture and breeze
I actually loved icebox when it came out because it was a big brain map and an aim map. Now Hereford from siege was literally blow my brains out bad
01:04 he just acted like raging, he was sponsored by ikea and had to advertise a bit.
01:18 OMG MY MAN NICKBUNYUN IS IN THE VIDEO!!! NICKBROAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
just because you put nick in the video you got a new sub :)
TOWER is on casual now, it was never a eSports map.
it was on RANKED on for half a month
Ok since nobody here is even talking about it:
We were all expecting Dust2 and we were not disappointed.
As a Mac/Bowser main i absolutly love Lylat Cruise won three tourneys in a row by picking lylat since it’s my best map
Laughs in "Every base in Mass Effect is the same building."
The issue I have with Hereford Base isn't the confusing layout but how like the Jumbo Jet, you can get killed easily before you even make it to the doors.
I love Tower it's one of my favourite maps in the game.
Not really accurate concerning CS:GO. Vertigo and Dust 2 are still in the game but there are maps like Cobblestone who pros ASKED to removed. We can also mention Zoo or some old maps bad designed for competition.
Split is worse than Icebox, it’s defender sided that I don’t even get worried when the score is 3-9 if I start on attack.
OMG my boy KYR SP33DY made a theScore Esports video! I never thought I'd see the day!
as someone who has played more than 50 ranked games on new hereford (back in year 4) I never learnt the 2nd floor because you will never use it