@@occidelindaest Ukrainians are Europeans too. Estonians are Europeans too. If you genuinely cared about countering imperialism, you'd have locked shoulders with them a long time ago. But all you do is self-righteous revanchism ...and opportunism.
@@ravi8490 at least you're honest. You don't care about peace, human lives, diplomacy, imperialistic powers and revanchist wars. You care about yourself. Fine. But then don't pretend to be sitting on a high horse.
@rolfauner4623 nope you have never cared for our lives, in history or even now. Your countries have never seen our problems as anything more than ours, infact your imperialistic ancestors have caused the majority of the problems. We ofcourse dont want war and hope for a peaceful solution. But we have more than enough problems in India, and we will follow Europe and the west's example and serve our self interest above anything else.
Exactly! I was thinking the same, Jaishankar cannot talk like this. Much he can do is give one liner witty comebacks although he has to wear diplomacy hat.
Ukrainian minister had the audacity to say they celebrate Hindu festivals in Kharkiv, after knowingly disrespecting Maa Kaali, is enough to say that "Ukraine is a slave of the US and has learnt a good amount of Hypocrisy from them."
So what if they celebrate Hindu festivals? Do we have to endanger our own people's basic sustenance & make everything EXPENSIVE for 1.4 Billion Bharatiya's? NOPE!
As soon as he said he had invited the Ukrainian minister and not a Russian minister I knew which way it was going. It's like the peace forum in Switzerland and not including Russia
@@johnm7267 Russia is threning countries so they would not join. There have been hundreds of negotiations with russia and still russia invaded. How can you negotiate with someone who says there should be no Ukraine, that there is no such country and that they have no right to exist? Wehre is the middle ground? Are all the Ukrainians going to be just a little bit murdered by russia? Is that the middle ground? Russia murdered, maimed, raped and stole what they could. But now they would whine that they are not invited to summit in Switzerland? Right...
Definition of Empire or Colonial power does not address notion of EQUALITY and FAIRNESS. Russia remains to be a multinational state BECAUSE it continuously adjusts its EQUALITY and FAIRNESS rules, listening to minorities and offering them MORE in comparison with life in separate states. what is that MORE? - Self ruling. in USSR all big nations on own land had self ruling, up to right to exit, which Estonia and Ukraine USED in 1991. since 1996 in Russia ONLY out of all former USSR, small nations in minority on historical land or IMMIGRANTS received rights to autonomy. all cultures are supported, immigrants cultures too. what Ukraine and Estonia did instead? They BANNED language LOCAL nations had. Ukraine BOMBS local Russian towns last 10 years EVERY DAY.. and that is WHY Ukraine is disintegrating and Russia has a quique of small nations asking to join. South Osetia wants to unite with North Osetia for last 30 years. put on hold because of this war and also in hope that Georgia comes to senses and stop going Russia-hating path Ukraine took
Estonia is lackey state to usa how will they ever go against their master and other lackey state like France and China is trading partner of USA they can never expose them.
Mr. Saran stands out. He expressed the urgency to resolve the Ukraine conflict. Why has a 40 trillion dollar collation under performed spectacularly? He was perhaps the only genuine speaker and well articulated. The Yale professor was preachy and wafting. The PM and the Albanian minister did not have much value to contribute.
Sameer was just brilliant... Double standards have been called out and shown the mirror... Wars are always to be avoided and dialogue is the best way because at the end of war you always return to the table.... Also our profound sympathies to all suffering humanity from Ukraine to Afghanistan and Iraq and Africa etc.. Best wishes..
And in doing so, he's scared Sweden and Finland into joining. If not wanting NATO near Russia was the goal, they've done a terrible job of it. "NATO expansion" is just an excuse. Putin himself has spoken about wanting to rebuild soviet Russia. He's not hiding the ball here.
For the Ukrainian minister’s information, Christmas is celebrated in India every year. So it is no big deal that once upon a time a Hindu festival was celebrated there.
Not only Christmas but Eid, Budhdha birth celebration, Navroj, Baishakhi, Mahavir birth celebration, Hannukah etc etc etc etc. he doesn't even know the country but excepts us to tow his line. Height of arrogance.
Don't worry. Things are not going to be easy, but I have good reasons to say that Trump will not win the election and although slowly Europe will rebuild the means. Putin will be defeated in Ukraine and this invasion will indeed mark the final blow to Imperialism. Russia just needs to get to terms with it. We did.
@@K.K10126 I am sorry, I should have said that the Veds themselves in this arranged format existed since 8000 BCE. Your estimation is probably closer to the truth about the age of the civilization itself.
More than 8000 BCE, ramayana happend 14000 years back, rigveda was written at least 20000 years back. With astronomical, carbon footprint, terrain evidences it has been clear.
JayShankar was spot on Europes problem is not Worlds Problem same way as World Problem is not Europes. They did not like when Samir told them the truth.
HE laso said you will be dealing with the same US no matter who is the president... Sure. Trump said he would bomb Moscow, or sell out Ukraine in matter of weeks. He probably doesn't know which is which. But sure, the sides are the same...
@@rolfauner4623 Not at all weird. When the U.S. uses it's slaves(so called allies eg. Europe, 5 eyes Anglo Saxon countries, Pakistan, S. Korea, Japan etc) to counter every appeal in the U.N. regarding Palestine, Iraq, Syria and countless other invasions and interventions in other countries, they abide by their master becoming complicit in it. But when it comes to Europe, you expect the World to help your cause. Plain and Simple. And it's good that there's someone to remind Europeans about their hypocrisy. Other countries can't stand up to the U.S. even when they want to say anything. So,it's a blessing in disguise.
Standing ovations to the Indian expert. Those who preach rules and morals the loudest, should set a good example. Israel colonizes the Westbank and east Jerusalem..
Hypocrisy is a god given right to Americans and their pawns. Today India and China has the power to expose these hypocrites. Tomorrow We will achieve the power to challenge these hypocrites.
Samir was great, definitely the best among the panel. But would have hoped for little more fighting from him, because all others just saying non sense, Estonia prime Minister is worst😮
that one guy who was very disturbed by Samir's bit on colonial past of brits😀😀 and gave advise to sumir. THEY ARE DOOMED BUT HAVE MONOPOLY IN SOME AREA ALTHOUGH THE END HAS knocking on the door.
40:52, So Alexander invaded which country exactly? What was Indus-Saraswati Valley civilization? There is literally Proto Shiva in a yogic pose , which dates back to atleast 3000 years ago. ITs a bit rich coming from a western "hIsToriAn". These westerners are the same people who go on and teach Indian History as "sOuTh aSiA". We are a 10,000 year old civilization buddy, we will continue to deal with Russians, and most importantly we will continue to look after our self interest. We will not be taking any lectures from the west who has engaged in 1000s of years of colonialism, slavery, loot, plunder. No thank you.!
1000 year old civilization and still 45 % without toilets? Still with 800 million people earning less than 3 dollars a day? And you expect the west to respect you?
Indian way of thinking is based on ground realities and harsh truth while eurocentric way of thinking is a black-white approach of villain vs hero in a closeted parallel world which has no relevance today.
This is the problem with all those who believe in just one god/ideology and have disdain for all others!! That is why, USA & Europe have much in common with Islamic IRAN & Communist China than they like to admit!!
When 15% of the world's population wants to dictate what the other 85% should think. I find that hilarious. I can see a shift and countries that were never outspoken decades ago and voicing their opinions. We in the global south have had enough. The balance of power needs to shift.
41:50 "India has existed since 1948(7) and Ukraine has existed for a long time" - interesting framing, which reveals some bias. India gained independence in 1947, then equally (the mordern form of) Ukraine came into existence following the collapse of the USSR in 1991. On the other hand if Ukraine has been around "for a long time" then India, which is Bharat is an ancient civilization, which is at minimum 5000 years old. This is casually glossed over.
Which part of not our problem is so difficult to understand? When pakistan subjected india to terror under a nuclear overhang for decades, europe averted their eyes. In fact provided aid and support to pakistan. When china attacked india, europe happily expanded their trade and support to china. Not a peep of support to india. But suddenly when europe has a problem, india has to help. Why?
I also think and I would like your opinion that Russia is a stabilizing power between India and China. There are tensions but Russia is a brilliant negotiator to keep heads calm. There is a common goal between these countries and yes they are competitive but it has never escalated beyond a point of all out war. There is a bigger mission at hand and that is to create a truly multipolar world where power isn't just concentrated in the west over all other countries.
Look at the tone change of the lady PM - a politician at the end of the day. Samir changed the center of gravity of the conversation. The hypocrite "historian" is the typical western elitist club member. The last question by the racist brit chap shows he is struggling to accept how hollow their lives are. The Ukrainian FM knows how their handlers are abandoning them and can feel the heat. It is important that average Ram, Shyam and Ghanshyam of Bharat carries the same level of conviction that Samir demonstrated. Policy administrators can speak softly, but citizen of Bharat should call out the western nonsense. Period.
@@crackbrainsabinaji: don't judge, couldn't get her name hence used a respectful reference. The place I came from is much advanced than the west in treatment of women. That's a different debate, but suffice to remind you - Woman did not come from the bone of Man, for Man, after Man as per Bharatiya philosophy. Take this pill and fix your circuitry.
Well done Samir Saran!! Truth always can be said without any fear and bias. All these other guys say things that are honey coated. They want the war to continue.
Anyway i dont know which countries Estonia is leading ? If you mean they are leading other countries. I know that Estonia is just following the USA to whichever direction the US is leading Estonia to. It is possible Estonia is leading some animals like cattles, goats and pigs.
Yeah, it's funny having some laughable figures from these tiny countries like Estonia or Albania discuss anything. It was also quite telling when they mentioned that many issues around Ukraine are actually decided outside of it... Then what kind of factor is Ukraine in all of this?
@@mehroseemehrosee3887 arnab goeswami full debate on future of media on TRT channel back in 2015/2016. Samir saran on ukraine and global south debate at ORF. Hardeep singh puri’s (oil minister) interviews.
@@mehroseemehrosee3887 have u even seen arnab’s 1 hr long TRT debate?? You will get to know his real intellect. He talks sense in such debates and totally destroys the opponent. You should watch before forming assumptions here. Watch hardeep singh puri’s interviews and debate discussions. There might be many more. Ill search more and let u know.
@@YS27122 arnab doesn't talk sense, he simply goes to any extent to overwhelm other's with his confident tone. arnab is a synonym for bias. Puri is good but again he is a politician therefore takes sides. What I'm looking for is someone like samir who's not supporting the govt. but only utters the truth as he sees it.
01:08:20 Absolute smackdown of double standards here by Samir Saran. Telling it like how it is. How thankful we are for such voices from the Global South.
Ukranian President's justification of Sameer is so silly. Ukraine celebrated Indian festival Vs Russia's support to India's 1.4 billion people on world forum against Western hegemony. And to conveniently forget history and keep providing the the western lifestyle in the name of democracy has no takers , at least in the Indian subcontinent. Look at the arrogance with which Ukraine and the European countries demands support off the world even as Sameer showed them the mirror , as if they didn't hear any word of it.
How much of the military equipment that India has ordered from russia have they gotten in the past years? So if Pakistan invades, where's your buddy then?
@@hokieplaya WEST & US WILL DUMP UKRAINE, POST US ELECTIONS. ALL THIS IS HOLLOW TALKS FROM BIG THINKERS. 😅😅😅 ASK AFGHANS IRAQIS SYRIANS, LIBYANS DESTROYED FOREVER IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY, BY WEST & USA.
Is America and NATO reliable for India ? And :- no Is Russia reliable for India ? And :- Yes Is Russia China are reliable for India? And :- No Is rules based world order reliable? Who's rules and who's order in rules based order
@@crackbrainsabina sorry it's not Reliable it is reliable. auto correct can be confusing some time when we feel angry more when Mass murderers preach morals 😝 Some basic questions and using Indian experience to answer the question and speculating further of USA friend or thinking about USA partner and there further but I am not able see very bright future for India USA relationship because USA does not tolerate independent interest of any country😃ha😃ha maybe I am wrong😜
Even if Russia doesn’t want all the soviet block back it must consider taking them. The Americans will always try to extend its reach and dominate this region in the name of democracy and rule based world order.
And in what name will russia do it? Death cult, genocide and some old man who has a wet dream of having USSR back? And also russia always wanted it back, longing for the days when the world was on the brink of nuclear war. So that is what you defend. You want russia to come to all the countries that are independent, including mine and invade just so anybody else cannot? Please take medication, I think you forgot today.
Indian hindu community in kharkiev were allowed to celebrated their hindu festivals . Is it any favor done by kiev to India? That's what all democracies are expected to do. + No indian has forgot the mocking of Hindu goddess maa Kali by this same minister kuleba ?
After Samir's opening statement, the anchor was so afraid of going backk to him. These ppl talk about democracy but can't digest an alternate view. Hypocrites in every sense!
did you notice how Jim mentioned "Whataboutism". Basically what he means is if we do it its right if others do it its wrong and if someone points it out it "Whataboutism". these people need to change their mindset and change themselves first.
He spoke very practically. If Europeans are struggling to fight a relatively weaker version of Russia (and US deliberating whether to commit or not), it is a nightmare to imagine what the response would be if the strongest version of China (current one) decides to invade any of its neighbors. On a side note, the way the woman panelist spoke was adorable. Reminds me of soft-spoken primary school teachers.
She's the prime minister of Estonia. Her husband is a very successful businessman who does a lot of business with Russia. People don't want to highlight it.
@@iamjustgreg It's from Kyi, therefore Kyiv. The only reason why you heard Kiev is russian colonization. russia has tried to squash Ukrainian language for centuries, that is why the russian names are sometimes more prevalent. Doesn't make them correct.
At this point unconditional surrender is the only practical solution for Ukraine. Hitler's Germany also refused to admit defeat until Hitler killed himself, then Keitel signed unconditional surrender.
Oh yeah, it was so friendly they invaded us when we were part of it. NATO exists because russia is always invading countries. And the countries that are close to russia are understandably worried. You can google why NATO exists. DOy ou need help with that?
Bucha is a taboo for the West. Ukronazis+M16+CIA forged a scenario to justify and whitewash the blockade of the peace agreed in Istanbul, as early as April 2022. Even today, Russia is the only country that does not allow Bucha to be forgotten and continues to wait for the names of the alleged dead.
Ukraine Never published forensic investigations how long the dead civilians had been lying on the streets and if they died in the same day or had been moved. How come? Ukrainian Security forces moved into Bucha 4 days after Russian soldiers had left (!) If the victims were murdered later then Russia would not be responsible. How come these investigations have never been made? The answer is obvious if you use reason instead of Russophobia.
Ukrainian military was part of the invading force in Iraq and Afghanistan , did they think of sovereignty then? In every action, there is a reaction and energy finds way to balance itself. We live in a universe where energy is balanced and be careful how you treat your neighbors for your neighor is energy and you are energy as well and you are using energy in that interaction.
It’s very very rich for the German reporter take moral high ground. Bro modern india isn’t as old as the last time you carried a real g word you called Russians
@@wolfbirk8295 Gorbachev himself said so. It's actually on here. Also at that time acc.to him Putin was driving taxi in Moscow. No one made any promises to him at that time. russia doesn't own other countries.
I think Samir is the only sane person on the panel and also not afraid to speak the truth no matter how hard it is to accept. Everyone else on the panel are in their own echo chamber and not willing to accept what’s in front of them. It feels like everyone one else apart from Samir has a set of audience in their own mind and trying to address them. Because they don’t want themselves to be vilified in their respective countries.
The accusation of "whataboutism" is absurd in principle, as it makes it impossible to take a global view of the balance of power in the world, as if there were a local view of events when analyzing a local conflict. It is obvious that the USA has repeatedly violated the territorial integrity of other nations in recent decades, Iraq being a glaring example of this. At the 2007 Security Conference, Putin stated that the "rules based order" permanently disregarded international law - he indicated that Russia would not put up with this in the long term.17 years later, Russia has now acted in Ukraine. The shock to the West is not the war or the war in Europe, the shock is that for the first time since 1945 a state is taking military action against the West, which is the only reason why the moral outrage is so great - how dare they question our monopoly on the use of force, that is the crux of the matter. This is the only reason why the West is prolonging its support for a war in Ukraine that it has already lost.
If west isn't able to cater to non-west countries interest and priorities then anti-west countries will use their power to influence and take steps to cater the interest of Non-west countries.
30:36 How can she say Russia is the last colonial Power when US and UK is still illegally occupying Diego Garcia which is a Part of Mauritius. UK still illegally Occupying Malvinas Island of Argentina. France occupying New Caledonia till today. Pakistan still illegally Occupying India’s Kashmir. The Indian Panelist was much much softer if he wanted he could have mentioned all of the above examples. White Peoples and their Hopes😅😂🤣
A very one sided debate. It looks like something blasphemous was said by Samir to throw off everybody off balance. None of the panelists except him had anything coherent to say.
Please ask Minister from Ukraine after 2 years of brutal war when every dollar is count, why Ukraine leadership is not aggressively improving their fight on corruption. On corruption scale Russia and Ukraine have similar level of corruption which is unacceptable!
Indian gentleman, thank you this is how most of world (non Western ) see this conflict.
Who else came here to hear only Samir saran..... 😂
Me here bro 😂
Me bro me...yeah kha chupe the
Me, from all the way from Somalia . 😅 he funny , articulate, logic and on point at least from my point of view on this issue and from his past panels.
me😁
I DID. And he is Rocking Here too ,Absolutely
The Indian gentleman has said the truth and the double standards panel humiliated! Great presentation!
The Indian national motto "Truth alone triumphs". Europeans don't like truth coz its bitter.
@@occidelindaest Ukrainians are Europeans too. Estonians are Europeans too. If you genuinely cared about countering imperialism, you'd have locked shoulders with them a long time ago. But all you do is self-righteous revanchism ...and opportunism.
@rolfauner4623 when Europe starts to consider the world's problems as theirs, Africa, Asia ans South America will do the same for Europe's problems
@@ravi8490 at least you're honest. You don't care about peace, human lives, diplomacy, imperialistic powers and revanchist wars. You care about yourself. Fine. But then don't pretend to be sitting on a high horse.
@rolfauner4623 nope you have never cared for our lives, in history or even now. Your countries have never seen our problems as anything more than ours, infact your imperialistic ancestors have caused the majority of the problems.
We ofcourse dont want war and hope for a peaceful solution. But we have more than enough problems in India, and we will follow Europe and the west's example and serve our self interest above anything else.
Samir Saran, is the only reasonable person on this panel .
The panel is also reasonable. They are intentionally not recognizing their hypocrisy.
HOLD UR HORSES
DON'T BE DEFINITIVE
@@tamberlame27They are not reasonable, intentionally or not doesn't count, that only means they are hypocrites & nothing else.
You mean the only reasonable person in the room, not just the panel.
Sameer Saran is the Open Source Jaishankar.
He is uncensored and unfliltered since he is not representing the government
🎯🎯
Exactly! I was thinking the same, Jaishankar cannot talk like this. Much he can do is give one liner witty comebacks although he has to wear diplomacy hat.
So precisely said...
@@mandokiin-k9h yes Sameer Saran says what Jaishankar is unable to say
Ukrainian minister had the audacity to say they celebrate Hindu festivals in Kharkiv, after knowingly disrespecting Maa Kaali, is enough to say that "Ukraine is a slave of the US and has learnt a good amount of Hypocrisy from them."
True
So what if they celebrate Hindu festivals? Do we have to endanger our own people's basic sustenance & make everything EXPENSIVE for 1.4 Billion Bharatiya's? NOPE!
So true hypocrite
As soon as he said he had invited the Ukrainian minister and not a Russian minister I knew which way it was going. It's like the peace forum in Switzerland and not including Russia
@@johnm7267 Russia is threning countries so they would not join. There have been hundreds of negotiations with russia and still russia invaded. How can you negotiate with someone who says there should be no Ukraine, that there is no such country and that they have no right to exist? Wehre is the middle ground? Are all the Ukrainians going to be just a little bit murdered by russia? Is that the middle ground? Russia murdered, maimed, raped and stole what they could. But now they would whine that they are not invited to summit in Switzerland? Right...
Estonia PM: Russia is the last colonial power.
America, France and China laughing in the corner.
Africa🤐😷
Yea, I also raised my eyebrows when she said that. I actually think France is the last colonial power.
Definition of Empire or Colonial power does not address notion of EQUALITY and FAIRNESS. Russia remains to be a multinational state BECAUSE it continuously adjusts its EQUALITY and FAIRNESS rules, listening to minorities and offering them MORE in comparison with life in separate states. what is that MORE?
- Self ruling. in USSR all big nations on own land had self ruling, up to right to exit, which Estonia and Ukraine USED in 1991. since 1996 in Russia ONLY out of all former USSR, small nations in minority on historical land or IMMIGRANTS received rights to autonomy. all cultures are supported, immigrants cultures too.
what Ukraine and Estonia did instead? They BANNED language LOCAL nations had. Ukraine BOMBS local Russian towns last 10 years EVERY DAY.. and that is WHY Ukraine is disintegrating and Russia has a quique of small nations asking to join. South Osetia wants to unite with North Osetia for last 30 years. put on hold because of this war and also in hope that Georgia comes to senses and stop going Russia-hating path Ukraine took
Estonia is lackey state to usa how will they ever go against their master and other lackey state like France and China is trading partner of USA they can never expose them.
Portugal, UK, Italy feels left out..
Great job Samir. Only Jaishankar could have done it better.
Jaishankar’s unofficial version is Sameer
Mr. Saran stands out. He expressed the urgency to resolve the Ukraine conflict. Why has a 40 trillion dollar collation under performed spectacularly?
He was perhaps the only genuine speaker and well articulated.
The Yale professor was preachy and wafting. The PM and the Albanian minister did not have much value to contribute.
Sameer was just brilliant... Double standards have been called out and shown the mirror... Wars are always to be avoided and dialogue is the best way because at the end of war you always return to the table.... Also our profound sympathies to all suffering humanity from Ukraine to Afghanistan and Iraq and Africa etc.. Best wishes..
What part of your country are you willing to give up to an invader?
Russia is not trying to colonize Ukraine- they are respondingto a threat, what was the need of NATO expansion
And in doing so, he's scared Sweden and Finland into joining. If not wanting NATO near Russia was the goal, they've done a terrible job of it. "NATO expansion" is just an excuse. Putin himself has spoken about wanting to rebuild soviet Russia. He's not hiding the ball here.
For the Ukrainian minister’s information, Christmas is celebrated in India every year. So it is no big deal that once upon a time a Hindu festival was celebrated there.
You spoke my mind ,it is obvious, but seems like very hard for kuleba.
Not only Christmas but Eid, Budhdha birth celebration, Navroj, Baishakhi, Mahavir birth celebration, Hannukah etc etc etc etc. he doesn't even know the country but excepts us to tow his line. Height of arrogance.
Only problem is that Ukraine believed USA and EU promises.
So not russian aggression? It's always nice to blame the victim...
If Ukraine throws stones America gave it at a bear and complains that the bear is tearing it apart who fault is it?
@@occidelindaestnice
@@occidelindaestyes Ukraine could have avoided this war by choosing neautrality.
Don't worry. Things are not going to be easy, but I have good reasons to say that Trump will not win the election and although slowly Europe will rebuild the means. Putin will be defeated in Ukraine and this invasion will indeed mark the final blow to Imperialism.
Russia just needs to get to terms with it. We did.
India existed since 1947, Bharat existed since 8000 BCE.
8000 BCE? It existed since 100000 yrs according to puranas and vedas.
@@K.K10126 I am sorry, I should have said that the Veds themselves in this arranged format existed since 8000 BCE. Your estimation is probably closer to the truth about the age of the civilization itself.
More than 8000 BCE, ramayana happend 14000 years back, rigveda was written at least 20000 years back. With astronomical, carbon footprint, terrain evidences it has been clear.
@@anupkolte9872Ramayan took place in the Stone Age? Sala Kya phenk raha hai
JayShankar was spot on Europes problem is not Worlds Problem same way as World Problem is not Europes. They did not like when Samir told them the truth.
Well said Mr.Samir Saran indeed western hypocrisy is unmatched 💯💯
HE laso said you will be dealing with the same US no matter who is the president... Sure. Trump said he would bomb Moscow, or sell out Ukraine in matter of weeks. He probably doesn't know which is which. But sure, the sides are the same...
It's a liiiitle bit weird to say that in a room full of Estonians, Ukrainians, and Russian dissidents. Don't you think?
@@rolfauner4623 Not at all weird. When the U.S. uses it's slaves(so called allies eg. Europe, 5 eyes Anglo Saxon countries, Pakistan, S. Korea, Japan etc) to counter every appeal in the U.N. regarding Palestine, Iraq, Syria and countless other invasions and interventions in other countries, they abide by their master becoming complicit in it. But when it comes to Europe, you expect the World to help your cause. Plain and Simple. And it's good that there's someone to remind Europeans about their hypocrisy. Other countries can't stand up to the U.S. even when they want to say anything. So,it's a blessing in disguise.
@@rolfauner4623 womp
Standing ovations to the Indian expert. Those who preach rules and morals the loudest, should set a good example. Israel colonizes the Westbank and east Jerusalem..
Im from Nepal I became fan of this man Samir Saran. After Jaisankher modi got this right intellectuals to handle the world order
Hypocrisy is a god given right to Americans and their pawns. Today India and China has the power to expose these hypocrites. Tomorrow We will achieve the power to challenge these hypocrites.
Please tell that to Ughurs for a start...
@adolft_officialask your mom . She knows it well
@adolft_official WE DONT GIVE DEFINITIVE ANSWERS TO MALE KAREN, SORRY IF I ASSUMED UR IDNTEFICATION TYPE
@adolft_officialthere is no national language.
Samir Saran uses a special thing alot of panelists did not use.. common sense and practicability
And Intelligence!
damn...Samir was on fire..!! Awesome. shown the mirror to the west
Love how India hates colonizing countries except when it's russia doing it
Samir was great, definitely the best among the panel. But would have hoped for little more fighting from him, because all others just saying non sense, Estonia prime Minister is worst😮
Kallas is a 🤡
Putinbots earning their potatoes again I see
Kallas acted very much like an American poodle!! Congratulations Estonia!! You did it!!
kudos to samir saran by showing true face of western countries. it seems like they are digesting bitter truth🤐
that one guy who was very disturbed by Samir's bit on colonial past of brits😀😀 and gave advise to sumir. THEY ARE DOOMED BUT HAVE MONOPOLY IN SOME AREA ALTHOUGH THE END HAS knocking on the door.
40:52, So Alexander invaded which country exactly? What was Indus-Saraswati Valley civilization? There is literally Proto Shiva in a yogic pose , which dates back to atleast 3000 years ago. ITs a bit rich coming from a western "hIsToriAn". These westerners are the same people who go on and teach Indian History as "sOuTh aSiA". We are a 10,000 year old civilization buddy, we will continue to deal with Russians, and most importantly we will continue to look after our self interest. We will not be taking any lectures from the west who has engaged in 1000s of years of colonialism, slavery, loot, plunder. No thank you.!
Good job not understanding the point made.
1000 year old civilization and still 45 % without toilets? Still with 800 million people earning less than 3 dollars a day? And you expect the west to respect you?
not easy to fight such ingrained tune visioned bias Samir, you're a badass!
Good one samir 😂😂😂.
West doesn’t like the truth…
😂😂😂😂😂
Indian way of thinking is based on ground realities and harsh truth while eurocentric way of thinking is a black-white approach of villain vs hero in a closeted parallel world which has no relevance today.
Yes.
To simplify it even further: The European thought process is “If it’s white, it’s right.”
Yes
Because abrahamic religions are prescriptive and Sanatan Dharma is descriptive.
Exactly my thoughts
This is the problem with all those who believe in just one god/ideology and have disdain for all others!! That is why, USA & Europe have much in common with Islamic IRAN & Communist China than they like to admit!!
Well said by Samir!!
They really sound like an echo chamber. They are living in a world where everything is going on acc to them.
LMAO it literally was an echo chamber. Thankfully Samir was there to breathe some much needed common sense into the room
When 15% of the world's population wants to dictate what the other 85% should think. I find that hilarious. I can see a shift and countries that were never outspoken decades ago and voicing their opinions. We in the global south have had enough. The balance of power needs to shift.
Well done Samir Saran.
Where was the UN when Nato broke up Yugoslavia?
Glad Saran gave a befitting reply to Europeans hypocrisy.
i really loved to see their faces after your arguments.
They should take Samir Saran words as "Golden Words"
Russians are constantly retreating forward to the Kiev while brave Ukrainians are constantly advancing backwards to the Poland
hahahahah
Kyiv
@@crackbrainsabina Kiev.
A literary gem of a comment
41:50 "India has existed since 1948(7) and Ukraine has existed for a long time" - interesting framing, which reveals some bias.
India gained independence in 1947, then equally (the mordern form of) Ukraine came into existence following the collapse of the USSR in 1991.
On the other hand if Ukraine has been around "for a long time" then India, which is Bharat is an ancient civilization, which is at minimum 5000 years old. This is casually glossed over.
Ukraine is a member of UN since 1945 by the way.
@@ukrma8092 so what , world dont revolves around ukraine.
@@DheerajYadav-uo4oh just simply check facts before stating something
@ukrma8092 What Ukraine is claiming their territories are given by Stalin.
@@MastiKaHathi please reference to document about it?
Which part of not our problem is so difficult to understand? When pakistan subjected india to terror under a nuclear overhang for decades, europe averted their eyes. In fact provided aid and support to pakistan. When china attacked india, europe happily expanded their trade and support to china. Not a peep of support to india. But suddenly when europe has a problem, india has to help. Why?
I also think and I would like your opinion that Russia is a stabilizing power between India and China. There are tensions but Russia is a brilliant negotiator to keep heads calm. There is a common goal between these countries and yes they are competitive but it has never escalated beyond a point of all out war. There is a bigger mission at hand and that is to create a truly multipolar world where power isn't just concentrated in the west over all other countries.
@@free_stylabro6490 agree. But ultimately china is not to be trusted....their inherent behaviour will necessarily come out...
Wow all my appreciation for Samir, a great person. He just told them all the truth in their own faces ❤❤
samir nailed it.
Look at the tone change of the lady PM - a politician at the end of the day. Samir changed the center of gravity of the conversation. The hypocrite "historian" is the typical western elitist club member. The last question by the racist brit chap shows he is struggling to accept how hollow their lives are. The Ukrainian FM knows how their handlers are abandoning them and can feel the heat.
It is important that average Ram, Shyam and Ghanshyam of Bharat carries the same level of conviction that Samir demonstrated. Policy administrators can speak softly, but citizen of Bharat should call out the western nonsense. Period.
very well put bro
@adolft_official moojeet how old is iiislaam again?
Lady is called a lady PM, all the others by their name... kinda demonstrates where you are coming from...
@@crackbrainsabinaji: don't judge, couldn't get her name hence used a respectful reference. The place I came from is much advanced than the west in treatment of women. That's a different debate, but suffice to remind you - Woman did not come from the bone of Man, for Man, after Man as per Bharatiya philosophy. Take this pill and fix your circuitry.
@@trrinketlad7940 @adolf_official he will stop at "how old" and say 9 😅😂.
Well done Samir Saran!! Truth always can be said without any fear and bias. All these other guys say things that are honey coated. They want the war to continue.
24:40 : GOOSEBUMPS…well done @Samir ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ showing the mirror to EU
“Estonia is a leader” got me
Leading what ?
@@celestineoc1123saying aimlessly that it's a leader
Puppet are not leaders
Anyway i dont know which countries Estonia is leading ?
If you mean they are leading other countries.
I know that Estonia is just following the USA to whichever direction the US is leading Estonia to.
It is possible Estonia is leading some animals like cattles, goats and pigs.
Yeah, it's funny having some laughable figures from these tiny countries like Estonia or Albania discuss anything.
It was also quite telling when they mentioned that many issues around Ukraine are actually decided outside of it... Then what kind of factor is Ukraine in all of this?
History says that if you have an indian panelist in a debate, you are likely to lose😂😂.
You simply cannot compete with indian wisdom and intellect.
Can you give some examples where an Indian panelist out smarts others except Shashi Tharoor?
@@mehroseemehrosee3887 arnab goeswami full debate on future of media on TRT channel back in 2015/2016.
Samir saran on ukraine and global south debate at ORF.
Hardeep singh puri’s (oil minister) interviews.
@@YS27122 arnab goswami is not a journalist nor an intellectual. He's just confident. Samir is good, but is there nobody else?
@@mehroseemehrosee3887 have u even seen arnab’s 1 hr long TRT debate?? You will get to know his real intellect. He talks sense in such debates and totally destroys the opponent. You should watch before forming assumptions here.
Watch hardeep singh puri’s interviews and debate discussions.
There might be many more. Ill search more and let u know.
@@YS27122 arnab doesn't talk sense, he simply goes to any extent to overwhelm other's with his confident tone. arnab is a synonym for bias. Puri is good but again he is a politician therefore takes sides. What I'm looking for is someone like samir who's not supporting the govt. but only utters the truth as he sees it.
What a slap to people's faces here from Samir, loved it!
It’s funny to hear the level of delusion on this panel. The wall of reality is fast approaching
The India guy is so smart.
Indians are not fools, as west advertises. Bcoz US is in 35 trillion debt. Not India.
01:08:20 Absolute smackdown of double standards here by Samir Saran. Telling it like how it is. How thankful we are for such voices from the Global South.
Ukranian President's justification of Sameer is so silly. Ukraine celebrated Indian festival Vs Russia's support to India's 1.4 billion people on world forum against Western hegemony. And to conveniently forget history and keep providing the the western lifestyle in the name of democracy has no takers , at least in the Indian subcontinent. Look at the arrogance with which Ukraine and the European countries demands support off the world even as Sameer showed them the mirror , as if they didn't hear any word of it.
The only thing Ukraine likes about India is the swastika.
How much of the military equipment that India has ordered from russia have they gotten in the past years?
So if Pakistan invades, where's your buddy then?
Samir Saran is brilliant. Give it to them Samir! 👏
He came off as opinionated and obnoxious
Don't worry u will get used to, it must been the first time for you!
Every person there was opinionated and was sharing their opinion only.@@hokieplaya
It was not sitting to discuss and come to any conclusion on Ukraine issue.
@@hokieplaya
WEST & US WILL DUMP UKRAINE, POST US ELECTIONS. ALL THIS IS HOLLOW TALKS FROM BIG THINKERS. 😅😅😅
ASK AFGHANS IRAQIS SYRIANS, LIBYANS DESTROYED FOREVER IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY, BY WEST & USA.
Samir Saran went into annihilation mode.
India existed since 1948? Now I know why Zelensky is winning in the west 😄
these clowns bro, really, they live in their own world🤣
The man who said this is a "History" teacher !
@@SNOW-s9y Only shows the extent of false narratives or plain ignorance.
They play the same game by calling Indian subcontinent as "sOuTh aSiA".
What is 15 August 1947 called as ...it is independence day not the formation day....
Is America and NATO reliable for India ?
And :- no
Is Russia reliable for India ?
And :- Yes
Is Russia China are reliable for India?
And :- No
Is rules based world order reliable?
Who's rules and who's order in rules based order
relabel? What are you labelling again?
@@crackbrainsabina sorry it's not
Reliable it is reliable. auto correct can be confusing some time when we feel angry more when Mass murderers preach morals 😝
Some basic questions and using Indian experience to answer the question and speculating further of USA friend or thinking about USA partner and there further but I am not able see very bright future for India USA relationship because USA does not tolerate independent interest of any country😃ha😃ha maybe I am wrong😜
China and India will settle their differences. Mark my words.
Samir is the Unfiltered Version of S. Jaishankar 😂
Even if Russia doesn’t want all the soviet block back it must consider taking them. The Americans will always try to extend its reach and dominate this region in the name of democracy and rule based world order.
And in what name will russia do it? Death cult, genocide and some old man who has a wet dream of having USSR back? And also russia always wanted it back, longing for the days when the world was on the brink of nuclear war. So that is what you defend. You want russia to come to all the countries that are independent, including mine and invade just so anybody else cannot? Please take medication, I think you forgot today.
Not always, mate. They are in free fall as we speak...
they canøt
Indian hindu community in kharkiev were allowed to celebrated their hindu festivals . Is it any favor done by kiev to India?
That's what all democracies are expected to do.
+ No indian has forgot the mocking of Hindu goddess maa Kali by this same minister kuleba ?
😂😂 well said only aithiest in the room of believers
Yes that was particularly brilliant. I am gonna steal it.
@@isacr4063 ME TOO MOMENT
After Samir's opening statement, the anchor was so afraid of going backk to him. These ppl talk about democracy but can't digest an alternate view. Hypocrites in every sense!
did you notice how Jim mentioned "Whataboutism". Basically what he means is if we do it its right if others do it its wrong and if someone points it out it "Whataboutism". these people need to change their mindset and change themselves first.
#USA and #uk still colonizing chagos islands of Mauritius even after icj ruling to end colonization.
He spoke very practically. If Europeans are struggling to fight a relatively weaker version of Russia (and US deliberating whether to commit or not), it is a nightmare to imagine what the response would be if the strongest version of China (current one) decides to invade any of its neighbors. On a side note, the way the woman panelist spoke was adorable. Reminds me of soft-spoken primary school teachers.
She's the prime minister of Estonia. Her husband is a very successful businessman who does a lot of business with Russia. People don't want to highlight it.
It seems like only Samir is sober in this meeting
Ukraine is winning and winning bigly in media, and in guitat playing bar in kiev.
Dream is good.
Reality is cold.
Being played by others is stupid.
When you write kiev, it shows you are either russian bot or you bought into kremlin propaganda. It's Kyiv.
It does NOT matter, the world is much BIGGER than the anglo-saxons.
@@crackbrainsabina it’s Kiev, always has been and will continue to be. Keep coping though.
@@iamjustgreg It's from Kyi, therefore Kyiv. The only reason why you heard Kiev is russian colonization. russia has tried to squash Ukrainian language for centuries, that is why the russian names are sometimes more prevalent. Doesn't make them correct.
@@crackbrainsabina nope. It’s Kiev. It’ll continue being Kiev when the Russians finish their war and Ukraine is divided between them and Poland.
Western Hippocrates
Hypocrisy is the tribute, that Vice pays to Virtue.
The EU has not realised that they are colonial countries under the USA!
At this point unconditional surrender is the only practical solution for Ukraine. Hitler's Germany also refused to admit defeat until Hitler killed himself, then Keitel signed unconditional surrender.
Nazis were an ideological people, but Ukraine is just a vessal state of US, who intend of working for its own people, started to tow the US line.
Hope you get some rubles for your comments
@crackbrainsabina you are living in the bubbles created by the USA, Come out of it, you have lost the war
@@crackbrainsabina hope you recieve 2 cents in medical insurance for being delusional
The WARSAW PACT, Treaty of FRIENDSHIP, was dissolved in 1991. Why is NATO still in existence and continues to EXPAND? What for?
Each country has the right to define its path!,, all of them hate Russia obviously!,, find yourself why!,,,
Oh yeah, it was so friendly they invaded us when we were part of it. NATO exists because russia is always invading countries. And the countries that are close to russia are understandably worried. You can google why NATO exists. DOy ou need help with that?
Ukraine should be held accountable for Bucha
Russia is!,, Russia is a terrorist state!,,,
You spelled russia wrong.
Even the west believes Ukraine did it. That's why they stymied the discussion in UN. The rest of world just wont bother with misinformation BS.
Bucha is a taboo for the West. Ukronazis+M16+CIA forged a scenario to justify and whitewash the blockade of the peace agreed in Istanbul, as early as April 2022. Even today, Russia is the only country that does not allow Bucha to be forgotten and continues to wait for the names of the alleged dead.
Ukraine Never published forensic investigations how long the dead civilians had been lying on the streets and if they died in the same day or had been moved. How come?
Ukrainian Security forces moved into Bucha 4 days after Russian soldiers had left (!)
If the victims were murdered later then Russia would not be responsible. How come these investigations have never been made? The answer is obvious if you use reason instead of Russophobia.
Indian intelligence shines
wonderful argument by Samir Saran
How about the people of Crimea and donbas, I don't see colonialism in those people, they are happy to be part of Russia. This is a fact.
No, it isn't. Otherwise there would not have to be so many torture chambers. Russia has been colonising or trying to for hundreds of years
@@crackbrainsabina stop doing crack
@@crackbrainsabinaget a life
The delusional lies from this panel were astounding.
Ukrainian military was part of the invading force in Iraq and Afghanistan , did they think of sovereignty then? In every action, there is a reaction and energy finds way to balance itself. We live in a universe where energy is balanced and be careful how you treat your neighbors for your neighor is energy and you are energy as well and you are using energy in that interaction.
It’s very very rich for the German reporter take moral high ground. Bro modern india isn’t as old as the last time you carried a real g word you called Russians
Literally only Samir makes sense here.
EU is doomed.
Which country occupies costa rica ? How many times did Panama get invaded ?
Nobody is talking about NATO expansion the trigger point?
Well, since it's not true, even Gorbachev said nobody promised him anything like that. Countries can decide their own faith.
@@crackbrainsabinayou are wrong...but thar doesn't matter
...?
@@crackbrainsabinacling to that lie while Russia continues to win and Ukraine advances backwards to Poland.
@@wolfbirk8295 Gorbachev himself said so. It's actually on here. Also at that time acc.to him Putin was driving taxi in Moscow. No one made any promises to him at that time. russia doesn't own other countries.
@@crackbrainsabina I think you are wrong...?
its europes war sort it out
Very well said India
always knew the Ukrainian presidents a joker, seems like their whole cabinet is
Always knew russia is a terrorist state!,,
Samir > don't these people listen to John Mearsheimer? The sense of delusion is staggering!
I think Samir is the only sane person on the panel and also not afraid to speak the truth no matter how hard it is to accept.
Everyone else on the panel are in their own echo chamber and not willing to accept what’s in front of them. It feels like everyone one else apart from Samir has a set of audience in their own mind and trying to address them. Because they don’t want themselves to be vilified in their respective countries.
The accusation of "whataboutism" is absurd in principle, as it makes it impossible to take a global view of the balance of power in the world, as if there were a local view of events when analyzing a local conflict.
It is obvious that the USA has repeatedly violated the territorial integrity of other nations in recent decades, Iraq being a glaring example of this. At the 2007 Security Conference, Putin stated that the "rules based order" permanently disregarded international law - he indicated that Russia would not put up with this in the long term.17 years later, Russia has now acted in Ukraine.
The shock to the West is not the war or the war in Europe, the shock is that for the first time since 1945 a state is taking military action against the West, which is the only reason why the moral outrage is so great - how dare they question our monopoly on the use of force, that is the crux of the matter. This is the only reason why the West is prolonging its support for a war in Ukraine that it has already lost.
20:28 32:39 51:08 1:06:17 thank me later
Thanks
Thanks
Snyder lives in a fantasie😅
God... Sameer has some guts to reply to this much BS and judgement with room full of ignorance and their biases. 😭
Honestly I want to see Dr. Saran in every debate where India has a Say in matters
Samir you are truly a genius.
Samir all the way. Good job
Russia winning ❤❤❤ we love Russia 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Just one line to Ukraine FM: "your problem is our problems but our problems are not your problems"
@Samir on fire 🔥… I LOVE IT ❤❤❤❤
If west isn't able to cater to non-west countries interest and priorities then anti-west countries will use their power to influence and take steps to cater the interest of Non-west countries.
I think your sentence structure got lost somewhere
@@crackbrainsabina How?
After that guy Samir spoke, the other guys on the panel seemed to be confused.
not confused but ganged up on him. Well even after that they couldn't answer his questions and points lol
Admit or not, Ukraine placed itseft between two hot pots without thinking about the temperature and concequences.
Samir is GOAT
30:36 How can she say Russia is the last colonial Power when US and UK is still illegally occupying Diego Garcia which is a Part of Mauritius. UK still illegally Occupying Malvinas Island of Argentina. France occupying New Caledonia till today. Pakistan still illegally Occupying India’s Kashmir. The Indian Panelist was much much softer if he wanted he could have mentioned all of the above examples. White Peoples and their Hopes😅😂🤣
A very one sided debate. It looks like something blasphemous was said by Samir to throw off everybody off balance. None of the panelists except him had anything coherent to say.
Well spoken sameer sir 😊
Please ask Minister from Ukraine after 2 years of brutal war when every dollar is count, why Ukraine leadership is not aggressively improving their fight on corruption. On corruption scale Russia and Ukraine have similar level of corruption which is unacceptable!
52:07 Samir cooked that host live in front of full audience 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥