Asmongold Reacts to WoW's Most Controversial Video
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Asmongold watches hirumaredx take on the most controversial WoW topic. Was Borrowed Power Actually Good?
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Not only was the video made on april first. But he took a 19 minute video and made it a hour long.
This is the same guy who defended wow 3 reforged and banned people for trash talking it when he was love streaming it. He's a hard core WoW simp.
@@NEPAAlchey So he cant have a different opinion?
@@NEPAAlchey Oh, does he really ban thrash talkers? I should check his streams out, seems like he is a good guy
First time watching an Asmon React video?
@Danny are you talking about hirumaredx or asmongold? i hope its not asmongold because if it is youre dead wrong lmao
The point asmon makes about having the legion legendaries in his bag was a great one. Its the idea of making one thing good in certain situations and others better in their situations. It makes players not only make choice in the moment to fulfill a certain role but also the flexibility to on the fly swap to another unique and useful toolset.
Exactly, it also allows players to choose a general purpose legendary that can fill most situations well enough if they don't want to have to micromanage their gear.
@@kaydden4634 No one wants that
No one wants that either
Meh usually it's just picking the one that is best for most situations/the activities you play and go with it, too lazy to swap - it's a nuisance.
@@clauslarsen8971 just because YOU dont want that, don't be stupid enough to tell someone they dont want it
What he's describing at 21:45 with the Legion Legendaries is exactly what Destiny does with Exotics. Basically a bag of tricks you haul around for specific situations. A lot of games have some sort of borrowed power system. The problem with WoW is each new system is obsolete after an expack or a few big patches.
Did Asmon played Destiny? Because i quit wow and found Destiny 2 this game so much fun
That is LITERALLY the meaning of borrowed power.. You borrow it. Which means you only have it for a limited time. To make room for New borrowed power. To not make a 17 year old game stale
@@clauslarsen8971 The problem is, WoW has been stale for years.
@@Professor_Butt because it's 17 years old. Or more. What do you expect. It's amazing it's still as big as it is
@@clauslarsen8971 I don't expect anything. I was just making an observation about the parallels between Destiny and WoW and how the two different games/companies use Borrowed Powers as a mechanic and how one is more successful than the other with that specific issue.
This was uploaded on April fools day
Got 8 out 10 legion legendaries without getting the two best ones.. then I quit.
The worst thing about Azerite is by far the fact that you could loot a higher ilvl piece and not being able to use it because a fully unlocked lower ilvl one were better.
The thing about the artifact weapon is that never went bad, the system was a expansion power not a patch power.. completly different
Blizzard need to design bosses in dungeons and raids where max dps isn't always optimal or required. By making everything cutting edge difficulty in mythic, you force people to pick the 1% dps increase and follow cookie cutter builds. Stop punishing players in fights for taking longer to kill the boss, reward them for doing mechanics right. Add mechanics that give better dps if you follow them. There is all kinds of stuff you could do, but right now there is nothing that seperates classes and specs, it's all down to the numbers. Add back resistances and damage types, that gives us a reason to make builds for specific encounters. Want to have difficult raids, make achievements that up the difficulty by forcing you to do things unorthodox, or take less viable methods. Make it viable to pick mobility, cc, other damage types over flat damage. Raidfights should be more about mechanics than damage anyway. I'm not saying make everything mythic KJ, one fuck up wipes the raid. Give personal responsibility, reward players who do mechanics and stay alive or do mechanics that progress the fight. Mechanics that allow you do do the fight faster the better you do them. That kind of stuff.
Fucking TRUE
The problem with that is it would take shaking up the base combat system of WoW to do that. The reason it's all down to numbers and so on is because everyone is so familiar with the fundamentals of the combat system. You cannot design a boss that is pure utility/mechanics if you also want to have the combat system matter.
Basically, if you make a boss that has tough mechanics on a timer, high DPS makes the fight easier. If you have phases on boss hp then high DPS makes it easier, if you have add spawns, high DPS makes it easier, if you have specific mechanics that increase DPS (Alysrazor comes to mind) then high DPS still makes it easier.
I do agree that the game should be easier, but not just easier, rather more accessible. I feel the game is balanced too much around the degenerate shit done at the top end, so now even average guilds are semi-forced to participate. If instead mythic was tuned so that 25% of guilds, instead of 2% of guilds had the chance to clear it then perhaps 10% of guilds actually *WOULD* clear it, and that seems like a more healthy place.
To do that we do not need to uproot the combat system to make fights less impacted by DPS, but it may be interesting.
I mean that's literally what raid fights are now. Outside of the first two or three weeks damage isn't the issue holding you back from CE. Mythic raiding is literally Play Better, and there's so many encounters where you make a niche talent choice or a class goes one build if they're doing one role in the fight and a different build if they're not.
@@Xynth25 exactly lmao
Good thoughts. Bring the player not the class is the dream.
I've had the theory for a while that they actyually design really cool systems and then in a revision phase say "ok how can we drag this out for as long as possible?"
It's just too much to be a coincidence.
The biggest problem I had with most of these systems is the fact that the new systems weren't account wide. Like the moment you hit 110 in Legion your artifact should've had it the same as your main if leveling an alt. Another thing that made me mad was that they instantly threw out Artifacts after Legion like it was Mega Evolution in Pokemon X & Y
My biggest problem with the essence system in BfA was, that you had to do a bunch of PvP to get essences that are optimal for PvE, which I personally think is complete bs.
Are you referring to the Blood of the Enemy (and their healer/tank equivalents) or Conflict and Strife? If you're referring to Blood of the Enemy, for rank 3, I don't think 30k honor in battlegrounds is too terrible of a grind. 2 hours, so unless you're short on time it really isn't that bad. CONFLICT AND STRIFE HOWEVER, that one would suck for anyone that doesn't enjoy PvP and its their BIS essence, because that required multiple weeks of rated PvP if you weren't a high-end PvPer. Though I think for the most part most specs had Conflict and Strife as a minor power, not a major power BIS, and really having rank 2 vs rank 3 for that isn't that big of a game changer.
Ripple in Space is the only other PvP essence, a terrible blink isn't worth the trouble so I don't really count that one, especially when other minor powers were better to choose from than Ripple in Space's handful of primary stat that you got the same amount of regardless of the rank you had.
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oh believe me, pvpers had to do a disgusting amount of pve. worst expansion ever, only a bit worse than shadowlands.
The difference with borrowed power that feels bad is when there entire abilities or heavily gameplay defining systems that are not well thought out on release (due to them coming and going so quick), and then once they are finally tuned up and decent to play with, they are simply abandoned for the most part
@Inksday not being permanent is the definition of borrowed lol
Its funny how many things Asmon likes and wants in mmos, Wildstar had. If Wildstar launched today in the state it was at when it shut down, with a month of solid advertising, the game would take off. The raids were amazing, the housing was amazing, the art style was unique, great playable races. Tier gear that changed the fundamental playstyles of the class. Frictionless spec swapping. Frictionless Mog. Great mounts. No major secondary systems that I remember. A ranged tank class, a melee heal class.
i've been saying this for years! God I miss my dps medic :(
@@lc9245 asmon has said multiple times that he loves WoWs art style and that he only requires graphic benchmark and that in the animated type styles even less so. The problem is players didn't know about a lot of the stuff at launch. The game state at the end of red moon terror compared to launch is night and day. And its amazing what a few well placed commercials can do.
Wildstar's biggest issue was it was sci-fi. Should have went Fantasy. If it was fantasy it would have been a lot more popular.
i'm not so sure about that. i played wildstar on release, and while the game wasn't bad, it was never able to grip me. i wasn't playing any other mmo at the time, so it's not like it was competition causing it either.
Main issue was the aesthetic. Was like discount Ratchet and Clank.
Legion was hands down my favorite expansion in WoW. I even enjoyed doing the dailies.
I usually agree with him but rating MoPs godly class design as garbage is pure bullshi1t
I found the furry
51:39 pretty fucking hilarious talking about PvP balance when they allowed corruption in PvP. Like why even pretend they are putting thought into it.
Same reason they thought people would buy SL was the conclusion of their 20 year story lol
@@jamestomlin5525 the jailor was easily foreshadowed in warcraft 3 when Arthas turned pale. An obvious reference to the jailor and foretelling the obvious connect. Notice Sylvanas? Her skin did the same. It was obvious all along.
Glyphs were awesome, now they butchered the profession and almost all glyphs are useless and boring. I dont remember glyphs being over the top rediculous in what they did for you either. Subtle changes that kind of added to the theme of your class mostly, no?
Inscription was the first profession I bothered to level up. Absolutely loved the concept, like a magic version of Engineering, yet less impactful.
There were a handful of glyphs over the years that were stupidly overpowered, but that mainly came from the fact that they were enhancing things that tended to have that quality inherent in them anyway.
I can understand that it was probably a headache to come up with glyphs that did stuff that was useful and not being overpowered and balancing so much, but it added a lot. Glyphs, being able to reforge gear, gemming/paying attention to the color of gem used and making choices for that (along with having gear with guaranteed sockets), and enchants (both through rep and through the prof) all gave one control and immersion to one's character.
Now, most of that stuff has been stripped or even removed. I always felt bad for people with inscription when they just gutted that profession.
I actually like near all the borrowed power systems while playing my main, because I get to look forward to new stuff. Its just the tedium of having to do them on alts having to grind to get the powers ive already experienced on my main, and quests I've already done. It just feels like a grind to get where I feel like i should already be
I don't play wow, I undertand 10% of the systems and talk, but i enjoy it, asmongold have talent for make it entretaining
There are 2 different systems thrown into the same cup here.
Borrowed power from items and sets isnt lost, you normally just replace them when you have something better.
Borrowed power from artifact weapons is lost because you are getting forced to lose it.
It matters a lot how you obtain (mentioned in the video) and how you lose these powers and how much control you have over it and a few other things.
I honestly miss corruptions. Infinite stars among a few other things was the most fun I've had in wow in a long time
On my tank, I agree with you. On my mage...well, I had SO much mastery. Like, ALL the mastery. And that was a kind of fun. :P
I hope that shit never even gets entertained as an april fools joke. never have i ever hated the game more then that. If they said they would bring it back in a post today, I would quit the game yesterday.
@@omarcomming722 Oh, sorry. I was a bit harsh then. if you compere it to SL then BFA comes out on top for sure, I agree.
In my opinion BFA beats SL, WOD, and Mop... I just relay hated corruption, totally fucked up everything :P
@@PoldaranOfDalaran I didn't play much during BFA but yeah the stat stacking was crazy, 50% crit on my fury warrior was some of the most fun I've had playing this game since i started back in Mop. Sucks i didn't get to experience it that much because by the time I'd gotten enough crit pieces the next xpac was right around the corner. Also sucks that the only other class i got to play was MW monk, was fun but i wish they'd implemented that system a bit better, I probably wouldn't have quit for over a year if they'd just done what they did with the vendor and stuff earlier so people would've had a chance to screw around on alts and actually have some fun in the game that's supposed to be fun ya know
Every single expansion there's something they refuse to change until the last patch, and then the system finally works how we want it to when its too late. Legion legendaries ignored entire expansion until last patch you can get them with currency and its not complete RNG. BFA refuse to fix the RNG with getting twilight devastation and shit on gear until theres a couple weeks left and then make a vendor that solves all the issues, etc. There's like 50 examples. It's so annoying we continuously give them solutions during beta testing, it gets completely ignored and we're told we're wrong, everyone quits, and then they implement the solution that everyone came up with 14 months earlier.
I remember during legion I played constantly since the start and I LOVED disc priest, but there was a legendary trinket that was super OP for disc that never dropped for me. In fact, the only legendaries I had were the worst ones available for pve.
I was having a lot of fun in Nighthold but my healing wasn't quite there so when I tried to step up to mythic, people told me to come back when I had better legendaries. Fuck that system
I liked the ap system more than azerite power because it made u very strong, it also had visual changes, like my enhancement shaman started making cyclones on autos or building up earthquakes around me that then shoot at the enemy. It looked cool and felt cool so the grind for me felt worth it. Azerite power didn't feel the same way for me.
my boy snapped on that 4th spec rant! ima need that.
I really liked corruptions at the end of BFA, had the vendor's stock rotated faster and offer more options, that system would have been truly fantastic.
or imagine if the vendor just had all of them and there was no rotation and they weren't expensive... groundbreaking
@@zachphoenix4522 Mind = blown
I will buy the next xpac after around 6 months to a year after it comes out. That is if it is actually going well at that time. If it is, then I can assume I will have enough time to show up for Blizz to finally do what the community has asked for since the alpha. :)
Grinds are ok.
Grinds that you HAVE to do every week in order to not get behind is not ok.
Making yourself more powerful over time doesn't require taking away borrowed powers. If you never gave them and just gave vertical or horizontal progression you can make the next expansion harder based on skills alone. Especially with mob scaling now.
seriously, all Blizzard had to do was continue forward with things that worked like Marks of Valor or glyphs
imagine if Legion legendaries or Shadowlands memories unlocked legendary glyph effects that you could swap any time in town
I never thought Legion was a special expansion.
I liked artifact weapons at the start mostly. My biggest dislike is once I got all the traits the grind should be done. Then I can focus on an alt weapon or diffrent spec. However their was no end so if you wanted to be viable you had to put a shit ton of time into alts if you wanted to take them on raids or mythic runs. Their were points if your artifact didn't have +20 or +40 you couldn't raid. So my alts never got played. Just played my main and grinned ap every day of the week Just to stay competitive.
If the ap grind ended once the weapon capped and I could go grind an alt it wouldn't been so bad.
54:40 Dude, this part spoke to me so much! I've been saying for years that Blizzard needs to do something crazy with the classes, starting with creating a RANGED TANK! Even if they have to create a sort of shield or projection of the tank within melee distance of the mob to avoid redesigning whole boss mechanics and stuff. Like, the boss would be attacking a projection or shield at melee, and the actual player is ranged. And I love all the things you mentioned that have to do with making tanking and healing more accessible and more attractive. The Mythic+ waiting times need to be reduced so bad, man. I know you don't have this issue if you have a super active or hardcore guild but the fact of the matter is that most WoW players use the Dungeon Finder for their M+ runs. Blizzard needs to make tanking and healing more accessible, more fun, and more popular, and giving tanking and healing specs to crazy DPS classes would really hit the spot. Tanks also need a major boost to their aggro at the pull moment and for 3 to 5 seconds after the pull. After that, Blizzard can make the tank do their work with their DPS to keep aggro but making aggro weak at the pull moment makes tanking so freakin' stressful in many PuGs.
I think the enjoyment of the artifact/Suramar storylines and questing made my early legion experience good enough that the legendary frustration was minimal. Whilst I didn't immmediately have my BiS on every spec, i quickly had a "good enough" one just through playing the game by the time ToV came out and player power was needed.
The community did itself a fuckload of harm in deciding they needed BiS legos for EN which was completely not tuned for that and my guild cleared Mythic with most not having their BiS because it just wasn't needed.
And by the time ToS came out the chance of having your best lego was high so it genuinely never bothered me.
People always claim the start of Legion was awful but... I always thought it was fun, and the overall experience was one of the best WoW has ever had.
30:00 I actually got my legion legendary from a blingtron box
12:28 he genuinely remembered the disappointment and got mad.
One thing that always stuck with me when it comes to unlockable powers is the fairy ring teleportation network in runescape.
At first you need a useless staff to use them, and you have to always have that on you if you need to travel through the network.
Later on a quest rewards you with a staff that is not "quite" as useless that has the same ability... but later on, which is the part that stuck with me.
You get rewarded with an enchanted molar by the toothfairy, which allows you to use the rings without external aid.
Did it made me more powerful? not really but it did make things more convenient and it was something that was now an ability of my character instead of an external aid.
this is one of the key reasons I hate modern runescape when they added the lodestone they just disregarded that most of the best quest rewards where some form of fast travel that you had to earn.
TIL TheDuelLogs had a WoW channel
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He's been doing it for awhile you should check it out
He's had a wow channel even longer lol
tier isn't borrowed power. you replace it, you don't lose it and it's not deactivated and removed.
Tank mages, as a forth spec they use magic to phase partially out of existence to avoid taking dmg and use spells to hold aggro without dmg.
the funniest thing that has happened to me is that im farming reputation in pandaria for some question and im doing AoE and i hear a random whelp around me, i turn around and it was a worgen rogue that was in stealth trying to get past me, i nearly pissed my pants of laughter.
azerite powers were shit because they were almost always either just flat stat increases or procs you had no control of. Tier sets quite often changed your character played completely.
No they really didnt.
8.3 BFA was insanely fun! I loved having every item socketed, stat amps on every piece of armor and Azerite/Essences to make me feel like an overpowered God. Everything from Raiding to PvP to casual content was great in 8.3. Most fun I ever had raiding was doing 30 Tank Raids with TD and SotW essence. Just doing insane crits in the millions. There were so many super fun options to play!! 8.3 BFA is missed. People have fun when they feel like their character is broken OP and they are getting away with it. SL is an unplayable dumpsterfire devoid of ever attaining any meaningful fun. It's so bad!!!
@@leeroy1986 The zones were great in BFA and loved doing World Quest! Also enjoyed Island Expeditions. Thought that was something they could of developed more instead of Choregast in SL. I think 8.3 BFA was the Devs getting close to figuring out borrowed powers. Then they got rid of all of it and made the convoluted disaster that is SL. Hope they learn from this mistake.
Stat amps were the best thing to happen to WoW in a long time.
New specs would be one of the greatest updates in WoW, A hunter who is a horseback archer, a Warrior samurai spec who focus on skill and poise for huge burst, a rogue who is more of a cruel murderer who uses traps, lures and dirty tricks to keep you in their control and separate you from the herd, a melee warlock who used their knowledge in demonology to become what they worship and control, a ranged death knight who uses death magic to destroy their opponents. The opportunities are high and varied, and it’s such a cool idea too.
Legion did have alot of borrowed power but imo all of it's systems was great and probably the most ambitious expansion blizzard ever done. Every class/spec had its own tailored msq with order halls and artifact weapons and everytime you logged in you had something fun to do. Probably the only expansion I played 24/7 since tbc back in the days for nostalgia reason. Legion was a GOAT expansion for sure far surpassing anything else blizzard ever put out and im sad that for some reason they listened to the crybabys in bfa and made a lidl version of legion.
Same. How you obtained legion legendaries was dog shit, but beyond that.... truly fucking incredible game. I played more than I ever had before (or since0 during Legion. Hail Legion.
Gearing up at max lvl is boring compared to farming borrowed powers that'll give you new abilities at max lvl
Azerite gear had potential to be something amazing, I think that's what he is saying, not that it is better than tier sets in general (The concept is, but the way it was implemented is not). If Blizzard was more creative with the Azerite Gear system, it could have very easily replaced tier sets in a cool and fun way, adding a ton of customization to many builds.
My main gripe, and what felt absolutely horrible, was having to put Doomhammer, Ashbringer, Scythe of Elune, etc. into my bank to collect dust. Mere items that are used, grown in power and left to be a "Legacy Effect". Why? For what purpose would I stow them into a box to be forgotten? On the other hand, the Heart of Azeroth, like many other newer power systems are underwhelming, and have no interesting history behind them. The mix of these two conundrums are the most difficult part of designing borrowed power in a meaningful and long term way, we should have never gotten Ashbringer. It was a stupid idea to begin with, but it sold the expansion, and millions including myself had _fun_ with it.
Artifact power was one thing I could look past but legion legendaries can burn in the pits of hell FOREVER, even after the vendor the time before it ruined them completely and utterly.
screw chronomancer where is blood mage
I never got a single twilight devastation piece the whole last season of BFA
my favourite legion thing was the profession questlines, to build up how much you could craft.
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I agree about lack of class design in cata.. except with assassination rogues. Ass rogue in cata was as smooth as butter.
I refused to get my Pandaria cloak simply because I thought it was stupid that we were forced to get it, but I still topped out minimum 3rd in the DPS almost every fight so I don't regret not getting the piece of cloth.
54:39 THIS! More specs and variety for each class would be so fucking awesome. I really want a tank spec for hunter where your pet is your mount and you wield a polearm
I feel like what made "borrowed power' a meme and a bad term is not when they gave us temporary upgrades, but when they started taking shit we already had in our kits even through leveling, to put it in some shit new system later where you had to unlock it. Like Avenger's Shield cooldown resetting is now on some Shadowlands lego shit but it was a regular ass passive (or talent or something) in... I wanna say Lich King? Memory fuzzy.
I remember quitting around Nighthold. Guess who got screwed over by the legendary Lottery? It's great when you have another player of the same specc out dpsing you about 6 out of 10 times, and the best part its solely due to having good legendaries when you have bad ones, otherwise you would destroy their dps.
Not to mention that people who enjoy doing high level stuff feeling compelled to farm as much as possible to try to get them because some of the legendaries were so powerful. People forget all the complaints at the start of Legion about how bad it was. It wasn't tied to anything - everything could get you one so players did everything. It feels really bad when you are raiding and can't get what you need while some random dude that plays an hour a week gets a BiS legendary while doing a WQ that ends up being WF (and I knew someone who was the latter). I even knew some raiders who were unlucky enough to have never gotten a legendary before clearing Nighthold.
Like in what world is this okay? Especially in a game where the community judges you by your gear? When you have that little control over your gear to the point that you are compelled to play far more than you would have doing things you don't like so that you can maybe finally do what your class should be doing - it feels bad.
You know what would have felt better? Working for gear augments through a variety of activities that were not random drops that enhanced what you were doing and got rid of the gambling aspect.
Another major con to the Azerite powers was that you frequently had to do unrelated content to level up a bis piece. I remember having to do ass loads of pvp for one of my bis raid powers. I hate WoW pvp. A lot of pvpers had to farm pve. It was a bad system.
The system sucked but holy shit the powers were fun I don't think I've had more fun since them however getting them was a pain, especially on multiple characters so much so that it really wasn't worth it
The problem is that borrowed power systems become the ONLY thing you focus on. Rare items and cool tier sets are now gone and all we have is just "hey wanna SOLELY farm some power that gets overwritten literally next patch?"
dude a corruption enchantment profession would be so cool
As a paladin going into cataclysm I remember being furious that I had fucking combo points and savage roar. It stopped feeling like a paladin to me and I rerolled to warlock never looked back.
the problem with borrowed powers is that you are earning something that will be removed. borrowed power should be given to you outright (cuz youre just borrowing it) and it can then be used to earn things that are permanent.
This man has my vote for class designer for all future expansions
Warriors no longer have cool down on charge. Hamstring is a 90% slow for 30 seconds. Rage no longer decays. Heroic leap one shots mages.
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My biggest problem with borrowed powers that they are borrowed. Good "borrowed" power which isn't forcibly taken away to give you another of the same, but which just stays and then naturally gets irrelevant because obtain more powerful one. Basically how tier sets or just any armor function. Imagine if every expansion with their systems existed at the same time. So you level up, you become stronger, get new abilities and... at lvl 50 you suddenly become weaker just because you power turned into a pumkin. How is that makes any sense? It works in Metroid because it's different games. But there we play one game with linear level progression, but with lvling up we become weaker. Bullshit.
12:40 This is EXACTLY why I fucking QUIT at BFA. I was SICK of *earning* new gear in Mythic dungeons that were SHIT compared to my weaker gear because my heart wasn't high level enough to use the nodes.
How to get heart levels efficiently? World Quest. FUCK I hate World Quests, I play WoW for the goddamn dungeons, and the heart EXP in them was MINISCULE. Get outta here!
wow xpacks are like 120$ not 40$, you don't get the full expansion if you pay 40$, the base expansion is like 70$
23:00 I honestly don't know how you can say that considering the acquisition of it straight til the end was completely screwed up. Yes, even after they added a vendor. Do you remember how much those pieces cost?
As someone who came back to the game and blasted to renown 80 by the time the covenant main campaign was over combined with the increased anima rewards you are absolutely correct if Covenants were in this state upon release they would have been a lot more loved.
The legendary Cloak was fine, probably the best part of pandaria, also the quest line with the Black Prince was interesting -The ring was fine too(albeit not as exciting) the rest was quite shit, didn't like all the RNG with the random legendaries dropping from random stuff. Blizzard should stop overcomplicating everything, just give us great upgrades, one for tanks, one for healers one for Melee one for ranged / caster. stopped playing mid term BFA, have played every addon before that but I just couldn't bear this crap anymore, my guild also got deleted and we did mythic clears in legion with the achievement for doing it pre-nerfs. Also the Mythic + Dungeons were much less fun in BFA compared to legion, in Legion they were challenging even at higher levels balanced, in BFA they were just plain and simple punishing, extremely punishing, even at lower levels.
ah yes..
Legendary April first hirumaredx video
Ok, comparing tier sets to some of the more recent borrowed power systems is like comparing a camp fire to a forest fire. Both are fires in a forest, but the scale, implications, and potential for invasive destruction are vastly different.
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the minor rant.. Oh the feels, so real.
Agree on better travel options. I think mounts can be great in one scenario though: zones that are designed around flying. And I don't mean "can access secret areas" I want full on Storm Peaks. These are probably hard to design, but I would be happy with 1 zone each expansion designed around flight. Write it off as "most of this continent is too windy" or whatever
Pandaria looks sp beautiful in flight
Tbh this is making me excited for 10.0 - I feel like they can bring back the Heart of Azeroth necklace and literally just expand on it, rewarding players that played BFA
To be honest I liked Shadowlands borrowed power the most, but the point about the friction of changing factions initially is quite true.
Imo the only borrowed power in a game should be our gear, something that made the early years of wow so rewarding was that our character was the one getting more powerful. The past week I've been levelling on TBCC as a mage, I started out only being able to pull one mob at a time and then every two mobs having to wait for my mana or even my mana being gone after three spells. Now at level 25 I dont have to take nearly as many breaks unless I spam AoE but then I also have shatter now which for was what I had been building up to with the last 10 talent points by increasing my frost spells crit damage and the chill effects. Thats what people want, we want to feel like our time and effort put into the game is making our characters stronger, not this weapon or neckpiece makes us stronger. Covenants was a step in the right direction, I just hope they let us keep some of the passives and the covenant ability like fleshcraft, soul shape etc.
Artifact Weapons were perfect. Blizzard got to spend less development on weapon designs and people loved it. The artifacts powers became so integral that they had to even keep some of them. Go back to Legion formula, especially PvP (gear does not matter), but do allow use to PvP trinkets. Legion's Arena template via ilvl and allow use of PvP trinkets = Best arena experience.
the problem is, borrowed powers are endless; theres never a point where its complete, let it take a while if you must, but let it be completable, generally within the 1st patch of the expansion, so we can forget about it and have fun with the temporary spells.
I loved the reforging system we had, no idea why they removed it.
The reason people like the artifact system from legion now, is because we saw other systems to come and realized any problems with the artifact system were minor in comparison. It felt better, you felt the power gain and it didn't seem worthless each patch. Regardless of how much a grind it was, in the end I'd rather re-grind my artifact wep than do azorite or do anything in shadowlands.
The problem with borrowed power is not the power itself, but the grind
I played WC3 and then WoW classic, I remember glyphs being fun when they added them. Sounds like alot has changed since Icecrown I guess.
Your new spec ideas were fire 🔥🔥🔥
I crave for a proper shaman tank spec so bad
"Twilight devastation completly changed how you play your class" - What? No. It's a passive proc.
my fantasy 4th spec is a swashbuckling rogue wearing mail and can use buckler shields again. can be a tank spec.
Wouldn't the term "Temporary Power" be better than "Borrowed Power" when it comes to MMOs
It could be, but the second term is the more popular in wow. Near all content creators I followed during BFA called them this.
@@Joeyfield0 A fair point
Its nice when becoming powerful on a charecter is actually noticeable and you can like see and feel it. I feel like a lot of games you Don t get that. U just got new items, spells, etc. And nothing else really changes as you advance. Your just the same charecter with new stuff and its feels like your could be doing the later progression even without any of that
bro in legion I used to run MM+ with atleast different sets on my fire mage depending on the boss/pack I was fighting, the gameplay and spell modifications they offered really felt great
Essence system was just a rework of the original glyph system at a fundamental level.
The whole doing world quests faster because stronger reminded me of kiting fel reavers from the ledge where you bomb them while flying (they have more health than the other fel reavers) to Honor Hold and they just go crazy on the newbs.
Gear is generally speaking a PROGRESSIVE power system, not a borrowed power system. A borrowed power system is one where the "power" is good during the expansion or a time frame, then it just ends when another expansion comes out or the time frame ends. Gear does not all of a sudden lose all its value, you have to go out and acquire replacement gear usually through player effort. The character progresses/improves in WoW with gear upgrades. If gear worked like the borrowed power systems then when an expansion came out all of a sudden your character would be naked (or more likely have a base gear set like when you first create a character) and the gear you had just vanished.
I miss Sephuz. Spriest with that ring was a level of fun that can probably never be achieved again
The best exemple of borrowed power is the Tempest Keep weapons and the Ulduar buffs.
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Heart of Azeroth
Azerite Gear
Legion Legendary Gear
MoP Legendary Cloak/Ashjra'kamas, Shroud of Resolve
Covenant Abilities
Shadowlands Legendary Gear
Legendary Weapons
I can still use all of the above together to completely sweep through Timewalking dungeons and raids. An experience that I find very satisfying.
Sure, the Legion Legendary Gear abilities are inactive, but the stats are still noteworthy.
The person in his chat who said 40 renown was good enough is forgetting that you are missing half of your soul bind trees, and the capstone trait is huge for alot of specs.
Watching this video I just realize how many different systems BFA had...This is actually crazy.
In conclusion, wow's borrowed power is still shit, but in an alternate timeline maybe it might not be. It was nice to watch.
Also Arthas did nothing wrong.
I still disagree: even if the method of acquisition was great, this doesn't solve multiple other issues with the design of these systems like how they invariably start out completely flawed and then take a year or more to reach a good state - this is a balance issue that is impossible to solve with these systems, it has been proven time and again.
What about the obvious fact that they are temporary? It's the name of the beast: '"borrowed" power. People constantly complain about how gear catch-up mechanisms completely invalidates the role of gear in WOW and they are the best example of how an easily-acquired thing can still be garbage that has no place in a serious long-lived multiplayer game.
What about all the development work that is put into those systems only to be thrown away next major patch? Compare that to a sane development methodology where each patch adds to the game as whole rather than have 90% of the balance, UI and QA and more effort thrown away wholesale when a new expansion starts?!
These are only some of the many more problems with the very nature of borrowed-power systems. This video does a great job of saying "acquisition is the worst problem with borrowed power in WOW" but for me it doesn't even begin to make a point for borrowed power being good in the slightest, for any game, in any long-term context.
@@tukkek the problem is that without borrowed power systems, classes just stay the same forever-- there's no new exciting mechanics, *or* every single power gain is permanent and stacks on each other in a way that's probably even more hellish to balance than things are right now.
That's not really sustainable, but I hope nobody is silly enough to think that never having meaningful power gains like new systems or abilities would be a good thing-- doing the same exact rotations and numbers with no extras or modifiers expac after expac would be an awful compromise to borrowed power. Seems a lot like people complaining about a problem without acknowledging the lack of solutions, because their vision of an MMO with no borrowed power is boring and flawed-- much like FF14's endgame is to many people, and why I personally prefer WoW over it.
@@sere971 Hard disagree. Nothing in the video or reality suggest this to be true, it's just an ad-hoc argument to justify borrowed power.
Some of the most fun I have had on WoW was near the end of BFA with full twilight devastation on a tank, just blasting through mythics and world quest. Would love to see something fun and seasonal implemented into WoW like D3/PoE because I would probably come back for something like that.
If you enjoy mindless gameplay with no challenge just smashing teought there is something wrong with you then.
Remeber how Blizzard had to nerf Convergence of Fates because Ret Paladin didn't wanna replace it?
I remember one ability in MoP that required 5 Holy Power to use and your damage was garbage if you didn't have it active (had 30 sec up time), I almost quit right there.
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Its not only getting stronger again that is fun, the novelty of a new game and new stuff is what also makes it fun. If not you could just replay the same game endlessly.