Reserve the Pimax 60G Airlink module for your Pimax Crystal and get a 50 USD discount (valid until April 30): pimax.com/product/pimax-60g-airlink-preorder-fee/ Shipping starts Q3 2024.
2:46 - Does that include WiFi7? ...since obviously Crystal (regular) can't do that since it doesn't have WiFi7 in it, only WiFi6E...? Does the planned 12K have WiFi6E, or 'something' else?
Bought my Crystal in January after using the Varjo Aero for over a year, and the Crystal quickly became my favorite PCVR HMD! And I don't even play sim VR titles. With over 200+ VR games in my library, VR has never been better thanks to the Pimax Crystal. Looking forward to this wigig module!
Amazing piece of technology. I’ve seen Pimax get a bit of hate online lately but fact is, they’re pushing the limits in what is current a niche market. Keep on pushing guys because one day this will become mainstream 👍👍👍
@@laartworkYeah wireless is really great, tough I hope WiGig adapter (additional purchase) isn't the 'only'way to do wireless for the eventual 12K QLED model, hopefully that also has WiFi7. Supposedly WiFi7 is really huge on its bandwidth so hopefully less video compression over wireless PLUS WiFi7 might not be an added purchase like WiGig!
@@paulct91 Wifi 7 won't improve anything. The decoding would be done on a mobile Android chip and that's the main bottleneck when it comes to latency and capabilities of the bandwidth. Wifi 7 could have as well have 40gbit/s bandwidth and it won't matter as long as the chip doing the decoding is only capable of decoding a few hundred mbit/s
Just got the news that the Meta Store opens their door to other manufacturers. If Pimax integrates it, the standalone-mode might have a 2nd life, or rather a first...
This is quite a feat. So many companies have tried to do this, but none have really succeeded. And now you got full resolution on a high end 8.3MP headset. I think Pimax should also use the foveated transport and see how much they could get out of the inbuilt Wifi on the XR2. Like if they could get half the resolution and low compression sweet spot with a software update for the OG Crystal.
I hope they add WiFi7 for that extra bandwidth on their even higher end Crystal SUPER and 12K QLED models, would be nice not to have to buy a $100+ adapter (WiGig) just to reliably do wireless.
This is one of the reason why I am disappointed that the Crystal lite does not have eye-tracking. The Air Link tech would be great for that headset also.
Looks good, thanks for sharing this mate. I hope that Pimax works out a wireless solution for their new Light versions in the near future. Also, does this wigig option work with the SteamVR faceplate? Thanks agian and cheers.
They're smearing this term. The guy in the video said "renders native 2880*2880 per eye" which is false. Full native for the crystal is 5300*4200 per eye because of distortion compensation, and the difference in detail and sharpness is substantial
@@laartwork what? Of course the panels are 2880x2880 per eye. But since distortions compensation needs to happen in order for the image to not be distorted after going through the lens, detail is lost from the render. Therefore, you need to render more pixels to fill out the panel at full detail after distortion correction has been applied. And for the crystal, that resolution is 5300x4200 per eye being RENDERED to actually achieve 35ppd.
@@laartwork I guess they should not be talking about rendered resolution. With or without distortion compensation, 2880x2880 pixels per eye of information needs to be transmitted (leaving out eye tracking here), no matter how these pixels were achieved (i.e. supersampling to combat distortion correction)
What about fan noise? Videos from CES caught the fan noise of the prototype unit, and it was very loud and high pitched like a miniature jet engine. Has this been addressed? How often does the fan run? Does the fan noise carry over the Crystal's microphone?
In the video, you're testing it in an ideal environment, so it's not surprising that it worked solidly. But how about real world environments where there is RF interference and conditions are not ideal? And what is its behavior when the signal is blocked? What does it do if you intentionally occlude it? And how quickly does it recover? If you turn away from the transmitter and look downward, your head will be in the way of the signal. Does this block it? If you look down further, your chest could block the signal, too. What is its behavior in these cases?
If you intentionally block a signal, well the signal gets weaker or weak enough to not work well or eventually at all just like cable maximum lengths and signal deteriation.
It would be very nice to make it work without an external power bank. That's the one thing that I hate with vive pro 2 wireless adapter. IF they make it work, I'll definitely upgrade
will the resolution go lower if you use the wireless version on the pimax crystal like using vive wireless? or the resolution will stay intact when using wireless version on the pimax crystal?
Sorry if I missed it but can we render at higher than 2880x2880 on the PC and just transmit at 2880x2880? Just wondering if there's any benefits to supersampling.
Of course you can, the wireless just transfers the end result. Its not like you transmit more than that via the cable, the headset does not render anything. Its just a display. I think people do not understand that super sampling is antialiasing, rendering at higher resolutions does not add resolution... its just antialiasing.
Only normal Crystal and maybe future, unknown headsets. It need the XR2 and battery which all those other headsets don't have. The 12K was changed in that regard. See the MRTV Sweviver interview.
That's why I removed their earphones and got the Logitech Pro X2 Lightspeed. Beat Saber was not fun or playable with the delay. The headphones make it much better with a sound I didn't know I missed, but I understand your point. For convenience's sake and weight, you shouldn't have to put another device on your head.
@@driflysh4597 Thank you for mentioning this. I can confirm that it has been solved. I just reinstalled my DMAS Pimax speakers, and the latency is resolved with a setting in Pimax. I however, took them back off as I am now spoiled by my good external earphones. The best thing about Pimax, is we have that option to keep them on or take them off with a little screw. But now I can confirm, it is a near flawless headset.
@@driflysh4597 you said all : low quali mode exists. No latency but low low low quali. Sound is awful : poor, cheap, shuffle, crank even with Dmas. Unbelievable in 2024
I would like to know this too. This is one of the reasons I still am on wireless HTC Vive Pro 1 - wireless, inky blacks, and perfect tracking with great controllers from the Index.
Hola, se comentaba en un video de pimax crystal, que se iba a permitir jugar más juegos modo standalone, que se sabe de eso? Van a permitir que se pueda jugar más juegos? Porque ahora está muy limitado.
I'm a big supporter and love my crystal, but can't see how the current battery has any chance of lasting more than an hour. It only lasts a couple of hours when tethered.
So hard to choose between smaller FoV wireless and wider FoV wired!!! I hope 12K will have wireless module option even though I know it will definitely run at lower resolution/FoV/refresh in wireless mode.
hello pimax am really disappointed the crystal light has no eye tracking , i wont buy it , add eye tracking back please then it will be a no brainer for me cheers
OK, this might be a stupid question lol can this be used for flight simulating or racing but I don’t use standalone open XR with it. I want to be able to play iRacing and Microsoft flight simulator. Is that possible or it’s just for standalone games using the controllers.
Why would this be for just standalone? 🤔 Most people using this would need this for playing streamed VR games from their own PC, that's the proper use case.
@@Leynad778 OK great I’m so but I think I’m going to let the reviews come out first before I actually purchase it and when is it supposed to be released and thanks for answering my question
The "All-in-One" concept has no bearing on using this with Steam VR Lighthouse system, (separate purchase for the LH Face plate + WiGig adapter) and since this is for the only 'wireless' headset Pimax makes... it does work with Valve's Steam VR ecosystem hardware with a the LH faceplate attached AND Wigig adapter attached. So, yes it works with that though if you don't 'need' Lighthouse functions it still works fine. The use case is simply a higher bandwidth VR stream with hopefully no 'noticeable' or even no compression.
@@delahaije25 Or $250 if ordered before April 30th and you are a Crystal user already. I don't know if they offer a discount if you combine it with a new original Crystal, i.e. you don't have a Crystal but order one with a Wi-Gig module.
please get a expert Beat Saber player to try out the tracking... im spending big money and going all in into a company that has a so so track record. If Value releases a new headset tomorrow, guess who win cancel
Here the Crystal has the built in battery and XR2 chip specifically in the headset for wireless. Stand alone was just a "hey it also can be used". But this was the reason they sent that direction.
In theory but it seems (ignoring the 8K X) the 5K SUPER is alreadly sold out (possibly never to be stocked again), so probably not since Pimax is still hoping to get people who bought/would buy a high-end headset to buy from their new "Reality" seriea HMDs.
Reserve the Pimax 60G Airlink module for your Pimax Crystal and get a 50 USD discount (valid until April 30):
pimax.com/product/pimax-60g-airlink-preorder-fee/
Shipping starts Q3 2024.
2:46 - Does that include WiFi7? ...since obviously Crystal (regular) can't do that since it doesn't have WiFi7 in it, only WiFi6E...?
Does the planned 12K have WiFi6E, or 'something' else?
Bought my Crystal in January after using the Varjo Aero for over a year, and the Crystal quickly became my favorite PCVR HMD! And I don't even play sim VR titles. With over 200+ VR games in my library, VR has never been better thanks to the Pimax Crystal. Looking forward to this wigig module!
Same here. Old games like Batman Arkham VR looks amazing on the Crystal. Been waiting for the wireless.
Purchased the preorder discount just now! Can't wait til it becomes available!! I hope they fix the power draw issue prior to shipping out unit.
I'm super excited for this to start shipping
Amazing piece of technology. I’ve seen Pimax get a bit of hate online lately but fact is, they’re pushing the limits in what is current a niche market. Keep on pushing guys because one day this will become mainstream 👍👍👍
I need the crystal super in my life asap. Cant wait for some early test units to reach reviewers.
I was thinking same but I think I would rather have wireless as I mostly play Skyrim and Fallout
@@laartworkYeah wireless is really great, tough I hope WiGig adapter (additional purchase) isn't the 'only'way to do wireless for the eventual 12K QLED model, hopefully that also has WiFi7. Supposedly WiFi7 is really huge on its bandwidth so hopefully less video compression over wireless PLUS WiFi7 might not be an added purchase like WiGig!
@@paulct91 Wireless needs the XR2 and battery which the 12K doesn't have anymore. The 12K was changed in that regard. See the MRTV Sweviver interview.
@@paulct91 Wifi 7 won't improve anything. The decoding would be done on a mobile Android chip and that's the main bottleneck when it comes to latency and capabilities of the bandwidth. Wifi 7 could have as well have 40gbit/s bandwidth and it won't matter as long as the chip doing the decoding is only capable of decoding a few hundred mbit/s
Just got the news that the Meta Store opens their door to other manufacturers. If Pimax integrates it, the standalone-mode might have a 2nd life, or rather a first...
Wow, just looking into this now. Incredible!! That would be so awesome.
Wow, just wow!
This is quite a feat. So many companies have tried to do this, but none have really succeeded. And now you got full resolution on a high end 8.3MP headset.
I think Pimax should also use the foveated transport and see how much they could get out of the inbuilt Wifi on the XR2. Like if they could get half the resolution and low compression sweet spot with a software update for the OG Crystal.
I hope they add WiFi7 for that extra bandwidth on their even higher end Crystal SUPER and 12K QLED models, would be nice not to have to buy a $100+ adapter (WiGig) just to reliably do wireless.
Sweviver please dont forget to find a solution for us Topstrap users mounting the 60G
He's not an engineer, dummy. He's marketing.
This is one of the reason why I am disappointed that the Crystal lite does not have eye-tracking. The Air Link tech would be great for that headset also.
Nice! I’ve been waiting for the crystal to be wireless
Looks good, thanks for sharing this mate. I hope that Pimax works out a wireless solution for their new Light versions in the near future. Also, does this wigig option work with the SteamVR faceplate? Thanks agian and cheers.
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 Ya I understand all that. Just wondering if the OG Crystal with SteamVR faceplate can use the wireless module.
looks good, would like to test it myself
If the claims of Native resolution are true, this is actually really impressive.
They're smearing this term. The guy in the video said "renders native 2880*2880 per eye" which is false. Full native for the crystal is 5300*4200 per eye because of distortion compensation, and the difference in detail and sharpness is substantial
Took 2 sec search that per eye it is 2880x2880. Don't go by what your steam settings are saying. You can delete your comment now.
@@laartwork what? Of course the panels are 2880x2880 per eye. But since distortions compensation needs to happen in order for the image to not be distorted after going through the lens, detail is lost from the render. Therefore, you need to render more pixels to fill out the panel at full detail after distortion correction has been applied. And for the crystal, that resolution is 5300x4200 per eye being RENDERED to actually achieve 35ppd.
The claim is it still renders wirelessly at the native 2880x2880. Nothing changes.
@@laartwork I guess they should not be talking about rendered resolution. With or without distortion compensation, 2880x2880 pixels per eye of information needs to be transmitted (leaving out eye tracking here), no matter how these pixels were achieved (i.e. supersampling to combat distortion correction)
Exciting impression.
What about fan noise? Videos from CES caught the fan noise of the prototype unit, and it was very loud and high pitched like a miniature jet engine. Has this been addressed? How often does the fan run? Does the fan noise carry over the Crystal's microphone?
I have a Crystal and I’ve never heard any fan noise other than my pc running.
@@thedrewh10 The WiGig module itself has a tiny fan in it. That's what I'm asking about. I agree the Crystal's fans are quiet.
@@SargonDragon oh sorry didn’t know that.
In the video, you're testing it in an ideal environment, so it's not surprising that it worked solidly. But how about real world environments where there is RF interference and conditions are not ideal? And what is its behavior when the signal is blocked? What does it do if you intentionally occlude it? And how quickly does it recover? If you turn away from the transmitter and look downward, your head will be in the way of the signal. Does this block it? If you look down further, your chest could block the signal, too. What is its behavior in these cases?
That's why it's 60ghz and why the transmitter needs to be in the room and elevated. It's the same thing with the Quest DLink solution for placement.
If you intentionally block a signal, well the signal gets weaker or weak enough to not work well or eventually at all just like cable maximum lengths and signal deteriation.
As you can see at 14:02 turning away and looking down seems to work fine
can you use this with the knuckle controllers and they lighthouses?
Since you mentioned this uses some of the DFR technique, does it support AMD card? Would be a big deal breaker if it doesn't.
Where does this single go when using the comfort top strap? Looks like it would clash with the placement of the dongle.
It would be very nice to make it work without an external power bank. That's the one thing that I hate with vive pro 2 wireless adapter. IF they make it work, I'll definitely upgrade
I think this can be good if it supports future headsets.
Kind of a waste to lock it down to the vanilla Pimax Crystal, and not Super or Light.
How many watts of power should the power bank have in order to deliver as much energy as possible to the headset? Would 60W be enough?
Will 120hz be possible eventually?
Don't forget about 12k!
I hope so, even lowering the resolution to achieve 5K SUPER speeds would be nice, 180hz!
Yeah also waiting for the 120hz, even it would be more compressed or upscaled from lower resolution, refresh rate is more important
will the resolution go lower if you use the wireless version on the pimax crystal like using vive wireless? or the resolution will stay intact when using wireless version on the pimax crystal?
So cool👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'm buying this.
you guys should take a look at the AMD 9500G coming, the GPU on it is between a 4060 ti and 4070 on one chip.
Sorry if I missed it but can we render at higher than 2880x2880 on the PC and just transmit at 2880x2880? Just wondering if there's any benefits to supersampling.
Of course you can, the wireless just transfers the end result. Its not like you transmit more than that via the cable, the headset does not render anything. Its just a display.
I think people do not understand that super sampling is antialiasing, rendering at higher resolutions does not add resolution... its just antialiasing.
It does not work with Crystal Super ?
Is this 'only' compatible with the Pimax Crystal, or also compatible with Crystal SUPER, Pimax Portal and/or eventually Pimax "12K" QLED?
Only normal Crystal and maybe future, unknown headsets. It need the XR2 and battery which all those other headsets don't have. The 12K was changed in that regard. See the MRTV Sweviver interview.
And during this time... crystal sound is still laggy
That's why I removed their earphones and got the Logitech Pro X2 Lightspeed. Beat Saber was not fun or playable with the delay. The headphones make it much better with a sound I didn't know I missed, but I understand your point. For convenience's sake and weight, you shouldn't have to put another device on your head.
Wasn't this "solved" with a new low-quali mode? Haven't tried it yet...
@@driflysh4597 Thank you for mentioning this. I can confirm that it has been solved. I just reinstalled my DMAS Pimax speakers, and the latency is resolved with a setting in Pimax. I however, took them back off as I am now spoiled by my good external earphones. The best thing about Pimax, is we have that option to keep them on or take them off with a little screw. But now I can confirm, it is a near flawless headset.
@@driflysh4597 you said all : low quali mode exists. No latency but low low low quali. Sound is awful : poor, cheap, shuffle, crank even with Dmas. Unbelievable in 2024
@@R1jerome Ok, thanks for destroying my hope 😆
what month released date?
can i use it wireless with index controllers and base stations?
I would like to know this too. This is one of the reasons I still am on wireless HTC Vive Pro 1 - wireless, inky blacks, and perfect tracking with great controllers from the Index.
Yes, you would need to get the lighthouse face plate accessory and then you'll be able to track it using base stations.
Really futuristic ❤❤❤
Hola, se comentaba en un video de pimax crystal, que se iba a permitir jugar más juegos modo standalone, que se sabe de eso? Van a permitir que se pueda jugar más juegos? Porque ahora está muy limitado.
is the 60ghz Safe
please start shipping the crystallight
I'm a big supporter and love my crystal, but can't see how the current battery has any chance of lasting more than an hour. It only lasts a couple of hours when tethered.
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 thanks will give it a go.
So hard to choose between smaller FoV wireless and wider FoV wired!!!
I hope 12K will have wireless module option even though I know it will definitely run at lower resolution/FoV/refresh in wireless mode.
Blug! The 12K will be wired only 😢
hello pimax am really disappointed the crystal light has no eye tracking , i wont buy it , add eye tracking back please then it will be a no brainer for me cheers
Line of sight connection is incredibly disappointing
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 so the technology isn’t there yet for me, WiFi VR is still a better bet than line of sight VR for wireless imo
90hz is too low. We should have the option to lower the bitrate and increase the framerate to 120hz.
How is that? Why not 120hz possible?
What is the purpose of the white cable (between the headset and your pocket)? Power bank?
@sveewiver : is it medically safe to use that without getting brain cancer ^^ ?
Good question, speak with a doctor, for a doctor I think he is not.😅
OK, this might be a stupid question lol can this be used for flight simulating or racing but I don’t use standalone open XR with it. I want to be able to play iRacing and Microsoft flight simulator. Is that possible or it’s just for standalone games using the controllers.
This is about wireless PCVR, not standalone. This device just replace the DP-cable, so yes, you can use iRacing or MSFS with it.
Why would this be for just standalone? 🤔 Most people using this would need this for playing streamed VR games from their own PC, that's the proper use case.
@@Leynad778 OK great I’m so but I think I’m going to let the reviews come out first before I actually purchase it and when is it supposed to be released and thanks for answering my question
I assume it does not work with the Steam lighthouse faceplate, since it needs the AIO mode?
It does work with the lighthouse faceplate.
The "All-in-One" concept has no bearing on using this with Steam VR Lighthouse system, (separate purchase for the LH Face plate + WiGig adapter) and since this is for the only 'wireless' headset Pimax makes... it does work with Valve's Steam VR ecosystem hardware with a the LH faceplate attached AND Wigig adapter attached.
So, yes it works with that though if you don't 'need' Lighthouse functions it still works fine. The use case is simply a higher bandwidth VR stream with hopefully no 'noticeable' or even no compression.
Wait, but Pimax's website says that AIO and lighthouse faceplate don't support each other.
3:00 not the latest technology . Its wigig 1 not Wigig 2
Are you sure? Did they not just mispeak? Seems bad if only WiGig 1.0.
What is the cost
300 bucks i believe
@@delahaije25 ty
@@delahaije25 Or $250 if ordered before April 30th and you are a Crystal user already. I don't know if they offer a discount if you combine it with a new original Crystal, i.e. you don't have a Crystal but order one with a Wi-Gig module.
still waiting for you to fix your software so I can turn a pimax 8kx on in under 45 minutes, please quit making headsets.
Get the Crystal. It’s amazing.
please get a expert Beat Saber player to try out the tracking... im spending big money and going all in into a company that has a so so track record. If Value releases a new headset tomorrow, guess who win cancel
You could theoretically make pimax 8k X also wireless now 🎉😊
Here the Crystal has the built in battery and XR2 chip specifically in the headset for wireless. Stand alone was just a "hey it also can be used". But this was the reason they sent that direction.
@@laartwork I think they didn't make the 8k X wireless because the eye tracking wasn't ready which is needed
In theory but it seems (ignoring the 8K X) the 5K SUPER is alreadly sold out (possibly never to be stocked again), so probably not since Pimax is still hoping to get people who bought/would buy a high-end headset to buy from their new "Reality" seriea HMDs.
so the 60G Airlink has a max bandwidth of 60 Gbps?