Escaping a Fundamentalist Mormon Sect-Lyndon and McKay

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  • Soft White Underbelly interview and portrait of Lyndon and McKay, former members of a fundamentalist mormon sect now living in Sacramento, California.
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  • @mckayjessop
    @mckayjessop 3 місяці тому +2090

    Thank you for the opportunity for letting us come on the show and I look forward to covering more of it on a later date!!

    • @sunshinencoastlines
      @sunshinencoastlines 3 місяці тому +83

      So interesting to those of us that haven’t a clue what goes on inside. Thank you for sharing. ❤

    • @paranoidhumanoid
      @paranoidhumanoid 3 місяці тому +50

      Thanks for sharing. It was an eye opener! ❤

    • @marig3713
      @marig3713 3 місяці тому +71

      Awesome, you guys! Both smart and strong men!! Lyndon- you nailed it: do the right thing to prove it to yourself - not to prove where you came from wrong. Remain being the good brother you are to each other! Lots of luck to you both.

    • @melaniegrant3934
      @melaniegrant3934 3 місяці тому +33

      Thank you for sharing I was born in the USSR people look ate like I am from a different planet you guys made me feel normal thank you guys

    • @user-yj1jt8bw6s
      @user-yj1jt8bw6s 3 місяці тому +24

      Thank you! Wow, blown away!

  • @lyndonjessop
    @lyndonjessop 3 місяці тому +1947

    Thank You Mark for having us on! Lots more to cover. I definitely need to work on my on camera cursing. It’s almost like having a defiant attitude got me to this point……..

    • @jennifersampson8958
      @jennifersampson8958 3 місяці тому +66

      I have about a million questions! What a wild story, my god...

    • @haley9965
      @haley9965 3 місяці тому +67

      Thank you for sharing your story, Lyndon! You’ve gone through something most will never understand but you still have a smile on your face! True resilience! I hope this world is kind to you and McKay! Can’t wait to see all the places you go! 🩵

    • @lisamcinnis9238
      @lisamcinnis9238 3 місяці тому +141

      Cursing keeps it real and colorful. I think it’s harmless. Such a curious culture. Happy for you both to have set your selves free. No small task I am sure. Keep on keeping on.

    • @janethughes2775
      @janethughes2775 3 місяці тому +31

      It’s okay and no worries at all. Anyone who went through what you and McKay did would have had the same or stronger reaction. Thanks for sharing your story and hope to see you both on @GrowingUpinPoligamy with Sam and Melissa someday.

    • @donnathordarson2401
      @donnathordarson2401 3 місяці тому +42

      I would love to know more about you and your brother - how you are doing, how life is treating you these days, if you are well - that kind of stuff. You are both such fascinating survivors / warriors that it would be awesome to know what is happening in your life in 2024.

  • @crcaseyclark
    @crcaseyclark 3 місяці тому +420

    "Don't try to prove them all wrong, just try to prove yourself right." That is sage advice indeed.

  • @kylehutchings1479
    @kylehutchings1479 3 місяці тому +514

    his story about why he left his wife, so she could have the experiences a 17 year old kid deserves, is so beautiful. to have that insight at such a young age is inspiring and heartwarming. good for these brothers

    • @MC-vd5kp
      @MC-vd5kp 3 місяці тому +48

      I hope she was ok though....a naive 17 yr old girl w no income or education is easy prey in this world.

    • @fucketaboutit
      @fucketaboutit 3 місяці тому

      well....a story......soo...........

    • @kelleyanderson7307
      @kelleyanderson7307 2 місяці тому +2

      It was the Bonnie and Clyde reference that got me!!!! He loved her....... true love ❤️

    • @alexandriahill6962
      @alexandriahill6962 2 місяці тому

      Absolutely

    • @goldenshore6222
      @goldenshore6222 2 місяці тому

      Good love

  • @rob550
    @rob550 3 місяці тому +278

    I've been a professional driver for more than 10 years and just wanted to tell McKay i'm proud of him getting his CDL.

  • @ifgwelf
    @ifgwelf 3 місяці тому +766

    Im glad these brothers got out of that cult. Lyndon was a free thinker and put that spark in his brother McKay

    • @michaelswenson6599
      @michaelswenson6599 3 місяці тому +2

      All are in the cult that darkness makes.

    • @stephenpmurphy591
      @stephenpmurphy591 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@VibeagainShallnot, I see you.

    • @ziggy44132
      @ziggy44132 2 місяці тому

      It’s not a cult. I am part of it.

    • @stephenpmurphy591
      @stephenpmurphy591 2 місяці тому

      @@ziggy44132 We could call the Roman Catholic Church a cult and the richest corporation on planet earth.
      A few centuries ago they had heretics burned at the stake.
      Anyone who disagreed with them on anything....That's a cult.

    • @stephenpmurphy591
      @stephenpmurphy591 2 місяці тому

      @@Vibeagain No, I literally see you inside and out.

  • @AliceHolm88
    @AliceHolm88 3 місяці тому +273

    I was married to their oldest brother in the religion. I’m glad they are telling their story, although this is just a small piece of it. I tended Mckay alot when we were still in the religion. Miss those kiddos.

    • @rachelb315
      @rachelb315 3 місяці тому +32

      I would love to hear your story too!

    • @AliceHolm88
      @AliceHolm88 3 місяці тому +45

      @@rachelb315I plan to tell it soon

    • @ellengarcia4041
      @ellengarcia4041 3 місяці тому +9

      Yeah religious based ... stick to the topic forced marriages with UNDER AGED female children!!

    • @user-dk6oo1rg6v
      @user-dk6oo1rg6v 3 місяці тому +4

      I'd love to hear it too! God bless you I hope you are doing well ​@@AliceHolm88

    • @Moon_Presence
      @Moon_Presence 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@AliceHolm88I was born Mormon, I'd love to talk to you about the difference between, the two sects

  • @caseystorm391
    @caseystorm391 3 місяці тому +57

    I lived in Utah for 45 years… as crazy as all this is, I’m not shocked by any of these stories. These guys tell the truth.

    • @torietorreano6613
      @torietorreano6613 2 місяці тому +2

      I used to live there too. Utah is a crazy place to move to.

    • @echoecho1913
      @echoecho1913 2 місяці тому +1

      I was in Utah 26 years (not LDS)
      These guys are telling the absolute truth. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • @kittkatt204
    @kittkatt204 3 місяці тому +341

    McKay-I’m proud of you getting your CDL liscence. That’s a big accomplishment.

  • @Alexandra-et3kj
    @Alexandra-et3kj 3 місяці тому +285

    You can tell from Lyndons facial expressions just how disgusted he is by some of McKays stories of the church. What a "blessing" that his intuition and brain served him right since a small child. He always was a free thinker and knew what was happening was wrong. I can only hope there are more children like this that know right from wrong despite the preachings of the church.

    • @denisevermeulen4984
      @denisevermeulen4984 2 місяці тому +5

      When it comes to religion everyone needs to be a free thinker.
      I learned the hard way. I’m good now though. Therapy is a godsend

    • @bayoubabe6698
      @bayoubabe6698 2 місяці тому +3

      Well said. I watched Lyndon’s face-like he was back in all the craziness-as his younger brother talked about the men sexually abusing the younger boys. It’s heartbreaking but I think they are going to make it in the real world. Chop Wood, Carry Water ✌️

    • @sunshine91671
      @sunshine91671 2 місяці тому +4

      Lyndon has a great smile but sadness behind the eyes. Interesting he knew of music and other banned things he got his hands on. Glad they got out. Mormonism is dangerous and disgusting.

    • @littlesecret1961
      @littlesecret1961 16 днів тому +1

      Maybe he’s uncomfortable with inability to share the story without using so much profanity. I swear a lot and even I got sick of his language. There are other words to use besides “f*#k”, it just makes him sound ignorant.

  • @666nacirema666
    @666nacirema666 3 місяці тому +120

    I worked at a place where we hired a lot of young men/boys from these communities. They were ran off by the old men because they were seen as competition by the old men who wanted to keep the girls for themselves. A lot of them had nearly no education and had basically been living on the streets doing whatever to get by and whatever else for relief from all their trauma.

    • @666nacirema666
      @666nacirema666 3 місяці тому +14

      Im glad these brothers found one another again.

    • @TheGrmany69
      @TheGrmany69 3 місяці тому +2

      Well that sounds like a tribal society.

    • @Ernest-vh1zm
      @Ernest-vh1zm 2 місяці тому +2

      It's so very sad.

  • @AZstu324
    @AZstu324 3 місяці тому +46

    Having left the regular Mormon church years ago, i feel like we (my wife and I) escaped a crazy world. I can't imagine the $h!t that these guys have gone through to get where they are. Keep moving forward and dont look back!

    • @tobipeters1163
      @tobipeters1163 Місяць тому +2

      I left the Mormon church, as well! It is just all made up, greedy, controlling and was honestly disgusting to my soul.

  • @slithercritterstv9581
    @slithercritterstv9581 3 місяці тому +225

    We need another episode wit these guys 🫡

  • @tingtingboll
    @tingtingboll 3 місяці тому +526

    Religious trauma is very real 😢

    • @michaelswenson6599
      @michaelswenson6599 3 місяці тому +3

      The environment of the flds is much closer than mans world to what an environment should be. But none know how to sow the light and night that it should be.
      Light is sown like a seed for the righteous. Psalm 97:11
      I spent a week in Short Creek last spring. Had at least 2 great conversations about sowing light. That is a good place to abide in the glory of God. It might actually be that Z word that ends like lion does.

    • @lindsay5305
      @lindsay5305 3 місяці тому +3

      Fact

    • @EddyG0rdo
      @EddyG0rdo 3 місяці тому

      @@michaelswenson6599what in the world are you saying

    • @luvyatubers
      @luvyatubers 3 місяці тому +3

      Recovering From Religion y'all. They make interview videos also

    • @jimbeam-ru1my
      @jimbeam-ru1my 3 місяці тому +1

      religious trauma? Why are women such morons? Listening to these guys it became clear that they had better childhood than all the people raised by single mothers in our society. they had parents, they had a bunch of siblings, they were taught how to work, they ate healthy food that they raised and grew themselves, they were kept away from television, the internet and porno, they had a tight knit community, they didn't have schools telling them to be gay and trans and to hate themselves for being white, they lived in a white community. . .
      only a woman could be dumb enough to think their testimony is a horror story.

  • @MemeMary926
    @MemeMary926 3 місяці тому +73

    Proud of you two men for breaking the cycle of religious trauma and cults. ❤

  • @wearelightbeings
    @wearelightbeings 3 місяці тому +337

    Ppl wonder why women like “bad boys” and it’s not necessarily that we want a man who’s a criminal. What describes it perfectly is when Mckay said “And no one wants to be the only person in a room of 7000 to stand up and say I disagree” and then Lyndon said “I do.” That’s the spirit we mean when we say bad boy. Someone with conviction and confidence who is willing to go against the grain regardless of the consequences.

    • @gldnsunrising7761
      @gldnsunrising7761 3 місяці тому +26

      YAASSS PERFECTLY SAID! ❤

    • @Lioness_of_Gaia
      @Lioness_of_Gaia 3 місяці тому +17

      Yes!

    • @amandaanderson209
      @amandaanderson209 3 місяці тому +16

      Agreed, perfectly said!

    • @xBINARYGODx
      @xBINARYGODx 3 місяці тому +5

      depends on what people mean when they say it - sometimes it really is being used at someone who is no good. Too bad others have also used it for people who simply don't just play ball.

    • @Lioness_of_Gaia
      @Lioness_of_Gaia 3 місяці тому

      @@xBINARYGODx Have you ever been ostracized? Scapegoated?
      Broken out from a multigenerational cult?
      I have.
      It takes a tremendous amount of willpower and self love to be labeled as "BAD".

  • @kondor3979
    @kondor3979 3 місяці тому +293

    This is a Fu*king Netflix series! I would definitely watch it.

    • @laitondion
      @laitondion 3 місяці тому +27

      Keep sweet and obey is from exmormons. Cults to conciseness is an awesome channel on UA-cam!

    • @Codisrocks
      @Codisrocks 3 місяці тому

      @@laitondion this cult is Mormon.

    • @dejanrakic77
      @dejanrakic77 3 місяці тому +7

      At least 5 seasons

    • @Debbie_Bcool
      @Debbie_Bcool 3 місяці тому +4

      ​@@laitondion do realize these boys are not members of the LDS Church videos you Recommended. These boys are from a break off from the LDS church. They explain that at the beginning of the video.

    • @Daniel-wl2bx
      @Daniel-wl2bx 3 місяці тому +4

      They have a Netflix series called “Keep Sweet and Obey”

  • @Krise343
    @Krise343 3 місяці тому +69

    I was engaged to a member of the Mormon church for five years. I was never welcomed in to the family. This was in the early 80’s. Years later his dad was found guilty of molesting his granddaughter. He was excommunicated from the church, but other than that, it was like it never happened. His whole family stood by him. It was crazy. My ex fiancée and his dad were killed in a plane crash a few years ago. I wonder what celestial level they made it to…

    • @pinkpugginz
      @pinkpugginz 2 місяці тому +6

      outer darkness

    • @jillh440
      @jillh440 2 місяці тому +3

      Hell- the lake of fire.

    • @strawbeary818
      @strawbeary818 22 дні тому +1

      Karma won in the end ig?

  • @Chunlintan-yl7tu
    @Chunlintan-yl7tu 3 місяці тому +140

    Huge respect to these two courageous brothers. You can feel the strong bond between them and it is wonderful to see that. Best wishes to them.

  • @tracyjames2046
    @tracyjames2046 3 місяці тому +48

    When he speaks of “Bonnie &Clyde” relationship what he is describing is a trauma bond and it’s real hard to break the cycle. My hat is off to Lyndon for letting go of his young wife.

  • @Hiiiitay
    @Hiiiitay 3 місяці тому +189

    I wish the younger brother had more of a chance to speak. But this was a great interview. Sending love to both of these guys & of course you Mark as well💜💜💜

    • @TaurusMoon-hu3pd
      @TaurusMoon-hu3pd 3 місяці тому +12

      Same here

    • @grant4176
      @grant4176 3 місяці тому +19

      It's in the training to let Elders speak and younger ones be quiet.

    • @TaurusMoon-hu3pd
      @TaurusMoon-hu3pd 3 місяці тому +10

      @@grant4176 the younger brother doesn't look too happy about it and the older one has hung on to that "training" 😕

    • @SinaLaJuanaLewis
      @SinaLaJuanaLewis 3 місяці тому +11

      I agree, the older brother just dominated 😢

    • @betsybabf748
      @betsybabf748 3 місяці тому +47

      They have different personalities, and not everyone likes to talk or is naturally extroverted. Mark also edits all these videos. You don't know what was edited out or why. Always one who finds something to complain about.

  • @lunamaharuni
    @lunamaharuni 3 місяці тому +132

    I live in salt lake City and my daughter dated an ex flds guy, he has 3 moms and 14 siblings! He is a good man and was very family oriented and had no interest in staying in the flds church. We still stay in touch with him even though it didn't work out with my daughter

    • @lunamaharuni
      @lunamaharuni 3 місяці тому

      @@Drstone-ys6we WOW aren't you a smartie pants

    • @lunamaharuni
      @lunamaharuni 3 місяці тому

      @@Drstone-ys6we lol

    • @Mizz.Person
      @Mizz.Person 2 місяці тому +2

      I wish more people were like you. I liked some of the parents so much more than ex boyfriends. I'm sure he appreciates your family friendship! :)

    • @lunamaharuni
      @lunamaharuni 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Mizz.Person so true! Haha
      We love him and wished it would have worked out. But they weren't meant for each other and that's ok too. He still drops by to visit us, even though my daughter doesn't live with us and he's engaged to another cute woman with children. He really is a good guy

  • @topicdel
    @topicdel 2 місяці тому +40

    I've been following your channel for months, but this is the first time I'm commenting. These two men are exceptional. I can't imagine how tough it must be to trust your own moral compass and get out of a situation like that. I wish nothing but the best for them moving forward.

    • @emmanueludoh77
      @emmanueludoh77 28 днів тому

      Yes i really enjoyed this interview too. Especially the older guy

  • @KESnSC
    @KESnSC 3 місяці тому +26

    Can we make this into a series? McKay, I can listen to you talk all day. Lyndon, you crack me up man. Wonderful storytellers. Wishing you both the very best that this world can offer 🌟

  • @Jennifer__T
    @Jennifer__T 3 місяці тому +180

    Excellent interview! I could listen to their stories all day. Another interview with them would be so cool!

    • @thesimulation9651
      @thesimulation9651 3 місяці тому +15

      I hope they start their own podcast, they're really engaging

    • @user-gp4ug9uu8p
      @user-gp4ug9uu8p 3 місяці тому +11

      I agree! I'd like to see Mark follow these men like he does the Whitakers and Rebecca

  • @CMStewart
    @CMStewart 3 місяці тому +65

    Intelligence, independence, and bravery. What a lucky combination!

  • @tom-ss2mn
    @tom-ss2mn 3 місяці тому +63

    I grew up in the cult of jehovahs witnesses. Like these two brothers, me leaving the cult meant losing family. It's very tough

    • @peggygarcia6125
      @peggygarcia6125 3 місяці тому +3

      So sorry. So cruel.

    • @cpeace3172
      @cpeace3172 2 місяці тому +3

      Glad you got out. 🙌🏻 Live your life to the fullest. You are not responsible for their negative reactions. They are brainwashed.

    • @stinkywow
      @stinkywow 2 місяці тому +5

      Me too. But glad I left and made my own life

    • @gjhartist3685
      @gjhartist3685 Місяць тому +4

      I wish SWU would interview an EX-JW one day.

    • @user-xl9xt3vp9j
      @user-xl9xt3vp9j Місяць тому

      @@gjhartist3685 yes I agree

  • @thelairdknows2389
    @thelairdknows2389 3 місяці тому +16

    This was sad. Fascinating. And triumphant.
    McKay needs his own interview now.

    • @greenie75
      @greenie75 3 місяці тому +6

      I thought McKay said what he wanted to say, but there's obviously a lot more stuff bubbling away under the surface. He seems to really love his family and I think he feels quite alienated from them (even though he has no desire to go back). Luckily, he has his brother.

  • @jessicajane7296
    @jessicajane7296 3 місяці тому +210

    I’ve always been fascinated by the FLDS and hearing survivors’ stories, but mostly it’s women who leave as the men seem to have a sense of safety. Listening to these guys is so interesting, the fact that they hated it almost right off the bat is not a surprise though. What they put the young boys through is brutal, I’m glad these guys got out! Thank you for telling your stories guys 😊

    • @thematriarchy2075
      @thematriarchy2075 3 місяці тому +19

      I understand what you mean, but the men are also screwed.

    • @lifemusic1980
      @lifemusic1980 3 місяці тому +1

      I heard stories about young men being disowned because they are a threat to the older powerful "leaders" (predators) and their control over the girls.

    • @morgenmachen2400
      @morgenmachen2400 3 місяці тому +15

      I don't know a huge amount about the FLDS either, but as I understand it the men work and give everything to the church. The majority either have their wives taken because they rank low in the hierarchy or never are given wives at all. That's the only way one man can have 20, 30 plus wives. As you might imagine, this likely causes a lot of pain for a man.

    • @thematriarchy2075
      @thematriarchy2075 3 місяці тому +4

      @@morgenmachen2400 I know you weren't necessarily responding to my comment, but just to be clear about my comment, i wasn't talking about men having or not having a wife or wives as a reason to be screwed.

    • @morgenmachen2400
      @morgenmachen2400 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@thematriarchy2075I didn't assume that. Neither was mine, by the way.

  • @Brando-UK
    @Brando-UK 3 місяці тому +111

    It’s crazy what you can make a group of people believe when you isolate them and control what information that they get.
    Great video Mark! I know you hear it all the time but you do an excellent job.

    • @astralfluxaf
      @astralfluxaf 3 місяці тому +13

      It’s scary isn’t it? Sometimes they don’t even need to be very isolated to fall for this bs too. If the leaders are manipulative enough they can get a lot of people to believe strange lies. 😬

    • @amber76OH
      @amber76OH 3 місяці тому +9

      It's heartbreaking, truly. I also believe that this theory holds true, even when isolation isn't a key ingredient. Those who control the information (i.e., the news, media, algorithms) control the minds. I see it every day here, and it's quite scary when people you've previously believed to be intelligent, begin to fall under these spells #thisisamerica

    • @TheKayaklover
      @TheKayaklover 3 місяці тому

      Same thing happened in Cuba until the internet finally started just a few years ago and everyone started to wake up to their government controlled minds ! Now there are hundreds of young Cuban people with UA-cam channels exposing the truth !

    • @JulesssRules
      @JulesssRules 3 місяці тому

      Just as the Japanese government did to their own citizens during WWII. Brainwashed them with propaganda

  • @Trees100
    @Trees100 3 місяці тому +43

    Lyndon, please let McKay speak more. Or perhaps there wasn't enough time for all of the whole story? Lyndon, you have a great attitude now. "Prove it to yourself." Great! And, so good you help out your brother and the other people who left. Setting a good example is your absolute contribution. So glad you are both on the better path. Best to you and anyone else recovering.

  • @UncleBread
    @UncleBread 3 місяці тому +23

    I go to school in St George, Utah and one of my classmates is from Hildale with the last name is Jeffs. Super nice guy, but he is clueless about some social norms. I haven’t really tried to pry into his life and background but now I’m very curious.
    I also buy pecans from that pecan farm in Hurricane all the time, they’re the best!
    Edit: I talked to him and he told me his family got out of it about 15 years ago when Warren Jeffs started doing crazy stuff. He commutes from Hildale 45 minutes every day for school and loves it there. He says it’s changed drastically in the last few years and most FLDS have relocated to Beaver or around Cedar City, UT. He appreciated being talked to about his background and we’re gonna hike Water Canyon when it warms up!

    • @Notmep
      @Notmep 3 місяці тому +1

      Ohhh hurricane is full of the cult

    • @UncleBread
      @UncleBread 3 місяці тому +2

      @@Notmep I was at a park on the Fourth of July out there and a really old dude with at least six wives came and posted up at a table next to us in the same pavilion. The youngest one couldn’t have been older than sixteen

    • @GlamGam1964
      @GlamGam1964 3 місяці тому

      Thanks for reaching out to this person. No doubt he needs you.

  • @higgaroc
    @higgaroc 3 місяці тому +53

    These two men are absolutely amazing, so glad they have each other’s backs, and I hope they can work to support others from that community that break free.

  • @jessicajennifer9827
    @jessicajennifer9827 3 місяці тому +162

    I meet one of warrens jeffs nephews randomly at a golf course. He proceeds to tell me one of the most awful stories he experience while growing up in the flds. He was a very nice young man. I hope he's doing well.

    • @Ernest-vh1zm
      @Ernest-vh1zm 3 місяці тому +3

      Did this happen to be a golf course in Mesquite Nevada?

    • @ShyShyTheGem
      @ShyShyTheGem 3 місяці тому +11

      …well… what was the story?

    • @JackMehoff-db8bt
      @JackMehoff-db8bt 3 місяці тому

      Why tf u lien? Why u always lien? Ohhh mmmmmy gawd

    • @jessicajennifer9827
      @jessicajennifer9827 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@Ernest-vh1zm no, it was in Albuquerque NM. He was attending university here. He had a striking physical resemblance to Warren's imo.

    • @jessicajennifer9827
      @jessicajennifer9827 3 місяці тому

      ​@@JackMehoff-db8btshut up dindo

  • @user-qq9ee6tu7w
    @user-qq9ee6tu7w 3 місяці тому +11

    2 EXCEPTIONAL YOUNG MEN!!! So happy they seem grounded after coming from such a horrendous mind screwing childhood! Lyndon, if I was your Mum, I would be so proud of you, never disown you!!! McKay what a beautiful young man you are !Sending love from Perth Australia 🌈 Kylie

  • @VickiJessop
    @VickiJessop 3 місяці тому +29

    I love these boys! They make their dad and me so very proud. They have overcome such hardships and have made great lives for themselves.

    • @tallyannklitzke932
      @tallyannklitzke932 2 місяці тому +2

      I’m just curious, would you mind saying if you are one of their mothers that raised them in the home with the other mothers? If so which # wife were you? Or did you get with their dad after he was ousted? Thanks

    • @VickiJessop
      @VickiJessop 2 місяці тому +4

      Their dad was not ousted. He left when he realized what Warren Jeffs was doing.
      I am not part of that community. I met their dad in 2010 after he was out for a few years.

  • @mrmav1889
    @mrmav1889 3 місяці тому +281

    I get the impression that the lad Lyndon was unable to say the F word for 17 years and he’s making up for lost time in this interview 😮

  • @RyanshawMe
    @RyanshawMe 3 місяці тому +651

    Every religion is a corporation based off of a sex, money, and power.. Well said!

    • @sophiegolden
      @sophiegolden 3 місяці тому +12

      Indeed

    • @martinmummert5614
      @martinmummert5614 3 місяці тому +20

      Except doctrinally sound, King James Bible-based Christianity.

    • @candvdz9618
      @candvdz9618 3 місяці тому +66

      @@martinmummert5614nah, especially that one

    • @astralfluxaf
      @astralfluxaf 3 місяці тому +40

      @@martinmummert5614that’s one of the worst offenders

    • @matthewneufer1758
      @matthewneufer1758 3 місяці тому +9

      No tru Christianity based on Jesus teachings and Apostle Paul they dont follow the scripture they make up their own scripture .

  • @kurenno477
    @kurenno477 3 місяці тому +57

    1:07:07 - the moment Lyndon realizes the FLDS went full Animal Farm when McKay explains the member-numbering system they used to ration the food - the look on his face is how I felt reading Orwell in high school, and then again when I realized how literal Orwell’s books were after realizing the leader of a group I had joined was a full psychopath, and the whole system of people he’d built around him were there to protect and enable him. Same look, same feeling, when you see the depth of the pathology, when you realize a little bit off or a lot off is actually way f-cking off.

    • @rachelb315
      @rachelb315 3 місяці тому +6

      I agree, watching his face and seeing him process that was wild.

  • @jeremyb251
    @jeremyb251 3 місяці тому +24

    Mark, this is wild man. I wouldn’t mind if you interviewed all of their family members who have left the church.

  • @tiapina7048
    @tiapina7048 3 місяці тому +88

    Lyndon sounds like a strong minded kind of guy. Which, probably, helped him live in that comunity and then leave it. I hope more people in places like that have the opportunity to ask for help and get out.

  • @CriticalMass-yu1ec
    @CriticalMass-yu1ec 3 місяці тому +66

    These guys have the hearts and courage of a lion. Way to go guys

  • @ashleyparker5144
    @ashleyparker5144 3 місяці тому +17

    grateful for this interview.
    one-on-one chat with McKay please

  • @mysticmama740
    @mysticmama740 3 місяці тому +10

    This all sounds so abusive and traumatic. Poor kids that are forced to live behind closed doors, deprived of so much, abused, and explpited for their labor! Wow! Thank u for educating us. You have my respect for being a fearless leader!

  • @CAMBY608
    @CAMBY608 3 місяці тому +61

    great interview…glad they are out…mckay was so patient waiting as his bro talked the most…u could tell he’s so affected still…my heart goes out to both ofthem for they will never have relationships w/most their family..it’s sad.

  • @7mariepierre
    @7mariepierre 3 місяці тому +94

    Lately, I’ve been listening to a channel called cult to consciousness and I’ve heard many girl’s part of this same story. I can’t start to comprehend how on Earth the government has not gotten involved in that whole thing earlier. Those Mormon kids have been through so much! It’s wild to me that it could go on and even exist for so long!
    I’m so glad he became that black sheep that saved himself and many others. Sincerely, he is awesome and can be so proud of himself!

    • @laitondion
      @laitondion 3 місяці тому +1

      Because they pay them! I love that channel too!

    • @frankfranklin4846
      @frankfranklin4846 3 місяці тому +1

      @@laitondionis it a UA-cam channel or a podcast? Can you link it? Thx ☺️

    • @timebot000
      @timebot000 3 місяці тому

      ​@@frankfranklin4846...it's a utube utube channel.

    • @7mariepierre
      @7mariepierre 3 місяці тому

      @@frankfranklin4846 it’s a UA-cam channel. I have no clue how to link it but I’m sure if you type Cult to Consciousness, you’ll find it.

    • @brettsabey7301
      @brettsabey7301 3 місяці тому +3

      i don't think they are considered Mormon

  • @kathrynbaker8215
    @kathrynbaker8215 3 місяці тому +11

    This was so interesting! How amazing that people live like this. One of the wisest things I’ve ever heard some say was Lyndon’s “don’t prove them wrong, prove yourself right.” Congratulations to these two men for escaping.

  • @nikkoedwards4399
    @nikkoedwards4399 3 місяці тому +23

    This interview was just fascinating. I sat here and watched the entire video. 🤯

  • @silvanasantini3526
    @silvanasantini3526 3 місяці тому +44

    I love how Lyndon played the players 😂 and how he let his love go to grow and find herself ❤ What a lovely set of guys ❤❤❤

  • @jeff3229
    @jeff3229 3 місяці тому +61

    Im glad they made it out!

  • @afterforever2765
    @afterforever2765 3 місяці тому +25

    Well done Lyndon and McKay! Thank you for sharing your stories.

  • @mark91345
    @mark91345 3 місяці тому +14

    I started watching this after midnight and it was hard to go to sleep, especially after listening to all the suffering these young men were forced to endure. The source of all this suffering can be traced to one individual: Warren Jeffs.

    • @kathleenroberts6931
      @kathleenroberts6931 2 місяці тому

      And, relijin. Created by man to divide & control man. 😭 Mother Earth 🌎 is sacred, along with all life, she's our only home 🏡 😊

    • @kristen7254
      @kristen7254 28 днів тому

      Unfortunately it didn't start there. It started with Joseph Smith.

  • @kristinkirk8169
    @kristinkirk8169 3 місяці тому +63

    My ❤️ goes out to all the children! Thanks for the video!

  • @takyrica
    @takyrica 3 місяці тому +28

    Heartbreaking that their mom discarded them

  • @MEL2theJ
    @MEL2theJ 3 місяці тому +7

    Thank you for the interview Lyndon, McKay and Soft White Underbelly

  • @Itsonlyfriday
    @Itsonlyfriday 3 місяці тому +16

    Well...we have a new winner ladies and gentlemen cuz this has to be one of my most favorite interviews out of all of them so far now and I couldn't help but feel so completely fascinated and captivated by these guys' incredible stories so thank you both for sharing them with us!! You are amazing, brave and very strong to get through everything that you were forced to endure through your childhood but I am so happy that you got through it all and now are able to move forward to live the best lives you possibly can so bravo to the both of you and congrats!!!🥳❤️💯👏👏👏 (Incredibly inspirational)!!!👍👍

  • @mrsh_2329
    @mrsh_2329 3 місяці тому +31

    It was fascinating listening to these guys. Lyndon has such a dry sense of humour, what a great big brother McKay has.
    Wishing them both all the luck in the world for a good life.

  • @TG-ov8gl
    @TG-ov8gl 3 місяці тому +23

    Hang in there Lyndon and McKay. You have a full life ahead of you.

  • @amandabrown8454
    @amandabrown8454 3 місяці тому +16

    Im so happy they are free! They should have a podcast! Please have them back! All the best!

  • @Chesterweasel
    @Chesterweasel 3 місяці тому +6

    Happy you have a sponsor Mark! I’m so grateful to have someone like you behind the camera provoking societal notions, and finding the footings of the bridges to be built.

  • @nancycassimatis3262
    @nancycassimatis3262 3 місяці тому +36

    What a sad but incredibly story. Thank you for sharing - wishing you both the very best in your journeys. Love 💕 from Canada 🇨🇦

  • @kirstensweeney1107
    @kirstensweeney1107 3 місяці тому +25

    Great interview, but I wish the younger brother had more of a chance to speak. I would love to hear more from him!

  • @allieofthedolls
    @allieofthedolls 3 місяці тому +19

    This is a really great interview. Thank you for having them share their stories.

  • @Abigail78576
    @Abigail78576 3 місяці тому +18

    one of the best interviews so far!

  • @RyanshawMe
    @RyanshawMe 3 місяці тому +31

    As someone who grew up as a strict JW - this sounds crazy even to me. I had to throw away my Pokemon cards and couldn't talk to kids in school - but this is next level control.

    • @Mudhen2020
      @Mudhen2020 3 місяці тому

      Are you still a JW? I work for JW’s which is my first real exposure. They are super nice and good folks.

    • @Cotillion308
      @Cotillion308 3 місяці тому +1

      They have the biggest database of pedos in the world that they refuse to turn over to police. They will shun you for smoking a cigarette but protect rapist. Great people.

    • @laurarobbie249
      @laurarobbie249 3 місяці тому

      JW a cult too

    • @ashleyt.1116
      @ashleyt.1116 2 місяці тому +3

      ​@@Mudhen2020Super nice until you are no longer one of them.

    • @theoneandonly1158
      @theoneandonly1158 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@ashleyt.1116 exactly, then they will shun you so bad and talk all kinds of garbage

  • @ivaloowilson3524
    @ivaloowilson3524 3 місяці тому +25

    Thank you Lyndon and McKay for your great interview. I've seen the documentary on FLDS. I couldn't imagine how much trauma you've experienced. Take pride in how you overcame it.✨️

  • @PoppyHarlow1350
    @PoppyHarlow1350 3 місяці тому +18

    McKay definitely sounds like he's from the Crick. I'd recognize that accent anywhere. I'm so happy Lyndon got away and helped get McKay away from that cult. I'm very dear friends with one of their fellow apostates from the Crick. His name is Bryan Jessop. They probably know him/are related to him. He has shared a lot with me about what went on there and what life was like there. One of the strangest rules, in my opinion, was no pets. The longer Jeffs was in power, the stricter and more insane the rules became. It will never make any sense to me. But, then again, I wasn't born into it.

    • @lynnrussell1641
      @lynnrussell1641 3 місяці тому +1

      The town of Pinesdale in Western MT is a FLDS polygamy camp and a bunch of Jessops have been there for years.They had an influx from Warren Jeff's Community and several moved back to UT.They are Definately practicing,women and girls don't cut their hair,wear no makeup,dress like Amish the boys are trained to do construction trades or work in the Mormon owned Used Car lots all over,grocery stores,retail,and bus down to Darby to work in the big warehouses distributing all the made in China "home decor" and kid's stuff they sell amongst mainstream and FLDS Mormons.Fake Western Art and Chinese knockoff Western gear and scented candles and knicknacks is a Hallmark of their Merchandising.

  • @KittyInPA
    @KittyInPA Місяць тому +4

    very well spoken young men. thanks for the interview

  • @myahollandia3552
    @myahollandia3552 3 місяці тому +49

    😢poor young men this is completely insane and sick

  • @kayem9909
    @kayem9909 3 місяці тому +31

    Excellent interview. Wishing the best to these boys. They made a wise and brave decision to leave the cult. Please do more religious themed interviews. They are fascinating.

  • @johnoberly2139
    @johnoberly2139 3 місяці тому +16

    This was amazing. Probably one of my top three and I watch you every day. This is so interesting. Crazy story. I wish you had a part 2 on them

  • @ednabee2738
    @ednabee2738 3 місяці тому +13

    What a great great interview.. please have them back again.. i could listen to their stories all day long..

  • @lindacarr3580
    @lindacarr3580 3 місяці тому +34

    One of your best interviews

  • @TheNapoleonComplex1
    @TheNapoleonComplex1 3 місяці тому +28

    This dude 100% needs a movie

    • @thematriarchy2075
      @thematriarchy2075 3 місяці тому +3

      There are 2 dudes, not sure if you saw that

    • @GiGi_to_3
      @GiGi_to_3 3 місяці тому

      @@thematriarchy2075 🤣

    • @TheNapoleonComplex1
      @TheNapoleonComplex1 3 місяці тому +1

      @@thematriarchy2075 the dude that Mark said needed a movie 🙄

    • @thematriarchy2075
      @thematriarchy2075 3 місяці тому

      😉​@@TheNapoleonComplex1

    • @jefferymiller30
      @jefferymiller30 3 місяці тому +1

      Omg, you all are too funny😂🤣

  • @tammyburke9453
    @tammyburke9453 3 місяці тому +7

    this is so intense, i cant watch it all at once, but LOVE this potty mouth dude,
    lol They are both so amazing, to have lived through this and speak so articulately.

  • @MC-vd5kp
    @MC-vd5kp 3 місяці тому +9

    Absolutely fascinating! Hats off to both of these young men ! Lyndon w his leadership and clear-sighted thinking, and his brother w the courage to follow. Not only did they get out, they are also leading clean-living, productive lives. As someone who escaped a less severe cult that led to severe religious trauma, I admire their steadfastness and mental acuity. Best wishes for happy, trauma-free and successful lives🎉. Congratulations on your bravery, young men !

    • @greenie75
      @greenie75 3 місяці тому +1

      Great comment :)

  • @rhondaward8694
    @rhondaward8694 3 місяці тому +4

    You two are amazing! I appreciate the support you give to each other. Sibling love goes a long way in this life.

  • @bethswalwell6797
    @bethswalwell6797 3 місяці тому +14

    I live in the small BC town where the off shoot of Warren Jeffs followers are. The 'leader' is Winston Blackmore. They live just out of town in an area called 'Bountiful'. The Fifth Estate did a story on them about 20+ years ago.

    • @user-mi5cm1cm2z
      @user-mi5cm1cm2z 3 місяці тому +9

      yep...with Hanna Gartner. She didn't really get more than her baby toe in the door. It did bring a few superficial changes. Once the story is out of the news cycle, it goes back to business as usually. They just learn to hide better.

  • @smirkinatu5512
    @smirkinatu5512 3 місяці тому +2

    Thank you for recording and posting this valuable educational video. I wish you both peace and prosperity in your life.

  • @EmilyBrady-mb8kl
    @EmilyBrady-mb8kl 3 місяці тому +14

    I really enjoyed this one. Hopefully you can have them come back for a part 2

  • @EasternDreamer615
    @EasternDreamer615 3 місяці тому +15

    I can relate so much. I was raised by my narcissistic grandmother after my mother died. My grandmother got me on probation for no good reason and used it against me. I was released at 18 and have barely spoken to my grandmother since. The courts are used against kids all the time.

  • @Lizabethmoore-ow6mw
    @Lizabethmoore-ow6mw 3 місяці тому +9

    I love these guys so much!!! I've been around Mormon culture all of my life (grew up in Vegas) and the control in both FLDS and LDS culture is real. These are brave, amazing guys...

  • @entropyvortex2484
    @entropyvortex2484 Місяць тому +2

    This is hands down the best interview I have ever heard from escaped FLDS members.
    Their spirit, humor, and strength is admirable.

  • @ceebee4750
    @ceebee4750 21 день тому +2

    Hats off to you, Lyndon, for having such force of will and sense of self. Amazing.
    Mackay, quiet strength... I'm proud of you.

  • @heidijackson2586
    @heidijackson2586 3 місяці тому +7

    Loved this interview!! One of my very favorites. Thank you Mark!!

  • @mistylavae2433
    @mistylavae2433 3 місяці тому +24

    Thank you for your work Mark 🙂

  • @harrod19
    @harrod19 3 місяці тому +1

    I'm loving these recent videos! Thank you Mark!

  • @sonkmcmonk
    @sonkmcmonk 22 дні тому +1

    Ayy just wanted to say, for what it's worth, I'm proud of you both. I spent some of my childhood in a cultish situation and I know how it is to watch pure madness unfold around you when you don't share the majority's mindset. It damages and influences the development of your worldview. But you both deserve recognition for how far you've come as individuals. Keep up the good work guys.

  • @Kevin-ii7gy
    @Kevin-ii7gy 3 місяці тому +15

    Great guys right here. Saw the title wasn’t even going to watch . Listened intently to the whole thing. . Crazy crazy interesting .

  • @lesterjessop
    @lesterjessop 3 місяці тому +20

    This interview is way more accurate than any of the documentaries out there

  • @maggieduke5072
    @maggieduke5072 8 днів тому +1

    What I find amazing is that this two brothers stay close together. Guys please stay close.

  • @zeeeena
    @zeeeena 3 місяці тому +2

    This was one of my favorite interviews. I was fully invested in every word. Thank you. P.S> I'm so glad they got out!

  • @TessaPardo
    @TessaPardo 3 місяці тому +3

    Thank you Mark for our hosts on this video. Cannot wait for part 2.

  • @lisastarr7998
    @lisastarr7998 3 місяці тому +7

    Gorgeous portraits and yet another fascinating interview. TY

  • @thegeezerrr2042
    @thegeezerrr2042 3 місяці тому +12

    I'm from England and Lyndon is a legend, I've always been fascinated with the LDS,, I love how he says it as it is, what a guy.. Best of luck and more power to them.. Brilliant, they ain't taking any sh#t...

    • @Moon_Presence
      @Moon_Presence 3 місяці тому +1

      This is different than LDS.... This is FLDS

  • @lowmanite
    @lowmanite 3 місяці тому +4

    Thank you. I think this has been my favorite interview to date. Awesome.

  • @suzettechristine8609
    @suzettechristine8609 3 місяці тому +13

    This is a Great Interview. Lyndon is an old soul, Strong willed. Great planning on getting out. They are Brave for leaving. Sad they have no contact with parents. Hope they are enjoying their new life. Im sure they're very appreciative of " The little things in life", Nowadays.

    • @VickiJessop
      @VickiJessop 3 місяці тому +1

      Lyndon is definitely an old soul.

  • @AshliAlexandria23
    @AshliAlexandria23 3 місяці тому +16

    Just when you think your going crazy from your own problems, you learn about the Mormons 🤦🏾‍♀️

  • @kevinhensley4643
    @kevinhensley4643 3 місяці тому +4

    Thank you for sharing this. It is such an incredible story about all of the kids that lived there and got out safely.

  • @kellymyers5384
    @kellymyers5384 3 місяці тому +4

    Fascinating interview and I wish nothing but the best to these two young guys!