RTX 2080 and 2080Ti Benchmarked - Is it worth it??
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- The NVIDIA RTX Launch has been clouded with secrecy... NVIDIA showed absolutely NO performance metrics compared to previous generation GPUs in any game and focused ONLY on real time Ray Tracing... so was NVIDIA hiding something?
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So what did you guys think about our new motion graphs?? Phil and I spent 2 days on them alone! Toss a like if you like em!
I think they were great ! Good Job !
good time and effort
very concise and informative. Thank you!
Excellent work as always, Jay! Thanks for the in-depth analysis!
Tell Phil that he's amazing every now and then. Just cuz he is.
Reasonable performance increase. Unreasonable price increase.
Indeed, performance is not the issue. Pricing is. And the GTX 10 series is already ridiculously priced. My GTX 1070 is two years old (!!!) and I can still get my money back in full selling it second hand. Just crazy.
Actually performance is more than questionable. 10* series were up to 60% faster than 9* series.
1080 was 30% faster than 980TI, 1080TI was 30% faster than 1080. So in total 60%.
This gen is only 30% faster than previous at TOP card 2080TI.
And I'm not even talk about price...
Exactly. The performance increase is exactly the same as every other generation. We're not mad about that. We're mad about the price increase - they're literally just seeing how far they can push it that people will still pay for it.
2080 should be 30% faster than 1080Ti. But it's not so performance increase is unreasonable.
Epic Milk LV 2080ti has occasion where its 50% faster than 1080ti, so use this as a standard, the underperformed games could be ve been explained by poor drivers. n the reason the rtx cards r so expensive is the new ray tracing... movies n graphics industries take month to render a ray tracing scene, n the rtx cards can do it in real time... so theres dat, its an expensive tech, u dont like the pricing? go get urself a 1080 ti, its only $500 on ebay
I'm a huge fan of the 2080 launch.. thanks to that I scored a (brand new) gtx 1080 for $349 on ebay. About damn time those got cheap.
V nice
I'll be going after a ti to upgrade from my normal 1080. Lol
i got a b stock evga sc for 320 like 2 months ago.
I got a 1070 ti for that price a few weeks ago, if I had waited another week or two I knew I could get a better price, but I was worried people would realize the 20 series wasn’t worth it and prices would go back up so I jumped the gun a little early lol
i feel like theyll be even cheaper once the 2080 has been out for a few months lol
Nvidia: Wanna hear a joke
Me: Sure
Nvidia: 2080ti
Me: I don't get it
Nvidia: You're never gonna get it
Well XD
Your wallet gets it 😂
Well we sure get it now 😂🤣.
This age....
like rotten milk :/
😂🤣😂🤣
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nah.
Longer answer: Nope.
Longest answer: Although Nvidia's 2000 series could have been considered, their price to performance compared to Pascal is what makes consumers go for other options.
@@AlienFreak69
Even longer answer: Yesn't
But hoe much of your life do you not want to have real time raytracing?
But Tom's Hardware told me to JUST BUY IT!
This is how it went down in Nvidia board meeting:
> "How can we milk more money out of these suckers?"
> "What is actually supposed to be a 2070, let's instead call it a 2080, but charge 1080ti launch prices."
> "What is actually supposed to be a 2080, let's instead call it a 2080ti, this will give us the excuse to tack on $400 to the 1080ti launch prices."
> "In 6-12 months what was eventually supposed to be the actual 2080ti, we'll call it something like a '2090', then charge $1600 for it"
You know they will, and the "2090" if we call it that, will still be a cut down card. There is a still a Titan to come, and it is insane to think that it will cost more than $1200. If you ever come across anyone who ends up buying a 20 series titan, please laugh at them.
No, real 2080ti will be the titan rtx bla3x 😂
RTX Titan xXx Raw Dog edition
I get carried away too easily. TLDR. People should spare themselves the victim card and stop complaining so much about prices. Just accept the harsh reality’s of life. Nothing is free. Corporations are not your friend and have no reason not to take as much of your money from you that you are willing to spend. You might as well waste your time preaching against gravity for pulling you down. Go work hard and work smart such that you can afford nice things without the need to whine about a price tag.
Matthew Maxson I don't think it's about whining about a price tag more than confusions over deviation from a performance/price increase model that has been steady since the 400 series
Can you hear it? That's the sound of thousands of people cancelling their RTX pre orders.
they sold like 600 of them in total, thousands is a bit of a stretch, knowing every nV paper launch, besides rich are usually too dumb to care
Only those, who pre-ordered 2080 might cancel now, those who pre-ordered 2080Ti are still good, that card has Titan performance and is quite a bit faster than similarly priced Titan Xp and around 25-35% slower than Titan V which is 3x the price. 2080Ti is still a good-ish deal, 2080... well, it's not.
Nah, I'm happy that 4K AND 60 fps performance is confirmed.
I hear it
Heisenberg I don’t know if rich people are too dumb to care. They just have disposable income.
I came from the future, september 9th, 2020.
and with the launch of series 3000, oh boi you were so right...
Never have i thought a 500$ graphics card can outperform a 1200$ graphicscard
@@crucfx. unfortunately it can’t cuz it really costs $850
@@I_SuperHiro_I you mean at least over 1200 😂😂😂 the future is horrible
B-b-but Tom's Hardware told me to spend all my money on them before all the benchmarks were out!
I mean you want most of your life to be raytraced right?
I have absolutely no idea at all what a raytrace is. I just know that I need one, (maybe two), and right now.
JOHN MCCLAINE oOf
Just buy it. Even if you can't afford it and you don't know what you're even buying.
Give them your money.
Sucker! 🤣
Thanks for the breakdown Jay. I will be sticking with my 1080 ti until next gen I think, this just confirms it. 25% more performance for 70% more money is insane.
70%? Head in the ass again. It is like 10% at like $50 for the 2080...
The prices will decrease over time and also, these cards are just founders edition, and Nvidia is also just trying to get rid of their excess 10 series stock. I bet the 2050, 2060, and 2070 will eventually release after this excess of stock is sold off. Maybe that was their plan, to intentionally make the 20 series look bad so they could sell the 10 series overstock.
@@alternatetdh3716 True. Maybe they are gimping the 20? Then it suddenly destroys the 10 and then everyone buys even more cards? I was thinking the GTX20 side would be awesome, and just RTX would be meh. Then you could NVLink the GTX20's.
Also the gap gets lowered when you compare a 1080ti 3rd party card
If a 1080 time fe is keeping up with a 2080 fe or only slightly behind a 3rd party card of both will be similar. No point in upgrading to 20series probably for the first time be better off running sli 1080 ti seeing as the they are dropping in price
This is why you don’t pre order
I don't regret it, since I got a 4k screen. 1080ti is not good enough for that, 2080ti is.
Well, people can always cancel their pre-orders. There’s not much reason to feel regret, yet.
@@zubiecup besides that, you can just return it after testing it yourself.
I know , i should feel sorry for the people that did , but i just dont....fuck em , thats what you get.
@Andrew Joy And fuck you too pal. No need to be salty just because you can't afford one. I'm keeping my preorder, could always return it if I wasn't happy, people seem to forget that distance selling laws exist to protect consumers
Can’t believe 2080ti is 4 years old now
NVIDIA laughing on all the dollars on all the pre-orders cards
no wonder didn't show benchmarks i can see lots of returned 2080s
the 2080 is completely out in this series,, what they were doing at nvidia did they not benchmark the 2080 before releasing it against pascal. apart from RTX which will surely get fps dips when on
I'd be curious to see their spendings in R&D vs previous gens tho .. :O
Yeah but I think pre-orders were always gonna pre-order. I think overall sales will be down since less people will buy them after launch. Just a hypothesis
ikr lmao
About temperature... wait till you hit that thing with actual raytracing making other cores work.... its gonna be barn fire allover again.
nonooo , Nvidia as a dominant marketholder would never ever ever do something for their pockets rather then the consumers . Ever ... right ? riiight ?
With those backplates, we can put on some tasty steaks! #bbqray
Its gonna be like the R9 290X that melted motherboards.
At least that's nothing to worry about with the vega cards. No ray tracing, half the performance and still hot enough to fry eggs.
Ray tracing will probably bottleneck the rest of the card, so that might not be a problem at all.
"Enough" is an understatement about how much it has been said about the RTX cards.
This is just a big THANKS to say to JAYZ and other channels similar to this. We get the end product of everything, the cards, the reviews, but these guys work hard like really hard to get this stuff to us to make a decision. I've seen Jayz and the other guys mention that they've been working non stop for a long time doing these benchmarks and yeah at first it would be fun to play with the new hardware but its not easy to keep the morale high in making all these graphs.
So for this and countless others videos, a big THANKS Jayz!
NVidia was actually in a bad spot. They had to release a videocard with a lot new features, but with no software support in terms of DirectX/OpenGL. The DirectX update comes into October. But here's the kicker. NVidia want titles to be release before Christmas and that means that developers a lot of cards. Manufacturers need to build the cards, currently based on the reference design, but within a few months on their own optimized design..
Unlike new features that AMD promises, NVidia has actual a real market where they can control the market. That is why Microsoft is developing a RayTracing update for DirectX called DXR. For DLSS you need a core bias/delta map so the GPU has a decent start. Those come with the Geforce driver update. The more people that are willing to share the rending result map delta compared to the vanilla map back to NVidia, the better these DLSS profiles become. It basically works like you're self learning spam filter. The more you train it, the better it becomes into prediction what to do. Bayesian filters are the 'newbies' of the AI Deep Learning world..
You can indeed compare the results to the 1080ti, but maybe it's better so compare them to the AMD flagship Vega64 where in a lot of titles it has almost twice the performance. And that is without DLSS..
For now the advise is indeed don't buy. But in 6 months when there are RTX optimized game titles, AIB partners have their optimized board designs and prices had time to go down, it is probably worth buying the card.
The RTX demos that are available right now, all are using directly the NVidia RayTracing instruction sets. Game developers in general want to use an abstraction between themselves and the hardware. That is why they rely on DirectX and OpenGL.. It's also why computing developers (like myself) are using OpenCL instead of native CUDA/Stream APIs. I'm lucky, the company I work for has pre-ordered 16 RTX2080TI FE cards for development. When we're down developing 8 of them are auctioned off to the employees. So, with a bit of luck I might get it at a decent price. Too bad we're not allowed to install Steam at work..
All of you talking about “I’ll stick with my 980ti/1080ti” yet I’m over here sticking with my 270x.
Woah I don’t even know what a 270x is
is that r7 or r9? As in 2 or 3 generations before the RX 500s?
@@natebit7167 yes.
@@NorthHollywood ah yes. I see you are a man of LoL and GTA V 720p
First benchmark on RTX has to be jay
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yes
It was hardware unboxed
Nope, watched Hardware Unboxed's review first
I think game nexus had done benchmark and they just couldn't release it,cause of the contract.
So 2080 is basically 1080ti? Bit disappointing. Was expecting 2070 to be 1080ti level.
But hasn't it always been like that?
1080 ti is ridiculous powerful.
it was clear from beginning that these two would settle in the same sphere...
1070 was the same as the 980ti, so I would say no it wasnt.
Andrew 1070 performed like a 980ti, 970 performed like a 780ti.
RTX 2080ti abt 23% performance gains at 1440p
34% performance gains at 4k
At a stabbing 2x price
N O I C E
My point EXACTLY
But can it do 4k60 at high/ultra basically all titles? yes it can, so worth it for me. Especially when I come from a GTX1080.
~+40% performance
~+100% price
Why even bother
Much like how all DDR4 RAM sticks pulled an apple, how much more expensive is 32GB of DDR4 compared to 32GB of DDR3 and how much of a performance gap is there? GDDR5 to GDDR6 is expensive yo.
CyAn No. It can't run the new Tomb Raider at those settings (even without ray tracing).
Agreed 1080ti is still my baby =) bought in Feb love it
Na the card I bought on camels camels when I checked was 5 pound away from it lowest ever hence I bought it and even now that asking loads for it so I'm not bothered and it's rock and roll still now so it's all good
Screwballed
So that's exactly what NVIDIA wants: have people think the 2080 and 2080Ti are overpriced, so the current stock of 1080's and 1080TI's will still sell.
I think some other reviewer estimated the 1080xx stock will last till the end of this year (not sure), so I expect 2080xx prices to drop a lot in Q1 2019.
ByteDelight They will drop $100 at the most
ByteDelight If price drop at all, if they are sold out all the time, price might even go up.
Sjarken I think with new drivers updates performance will improve. I think it’s premature to make a solid decision. Sometimes new drivers can increase performance in games significantly.
I'm not gonna consider buying untill q1 next year, hardware is expensive before Christmas
Nvidia has said they will continue to produce the 10 series into early 2019.
Jay, Linus, etc all sticking together and bashing NVIDIA is the only way to get REAL PERFORMANCE in the future regardless that they have no competitors! .....
Would've worked except people started caring about power consumption. By the time AMD had a competitive card it was really too late.
You all will sing a differnet tune when DLSS rolls in.. nVidia should of just waited but looks like they had to get cards out the door before the game devs would implement... chicken and egg situation so you all can cry while a few of us will enjoy the small but early rewards
And yet here you are crying about it lol @Long Beach.
Long Beach, Sing a different tune in what regard? Who is crying? I believe your reading comprehension has failed you in this instance. In your own comment you accept the point that the release was premature, which is not only brought up here but in the Linus video as well. ReganMarcelis is applauding the content creators for keeping the company on their toes. Jacob and I have implied that AMD is not an equal competitor in the market. I don't understand how you've arrived at the conclusion that someone is "crying" as your approach and rhetoric are not only hostile but also out of context. Also, are you patting yourself on the back for purchasing 1st gen, 1st release of a tech which is not only still in development but is not a feature of any current game on the market? I do applaud one thing, the pinnacle of ignorance at which you've arrived. Good times.
Yes anytime anyone types anything on the internet = crying.. you crying too !!! T.T
Nice shout out to channels like Gamers Nexus for their technical content from a much bigger channel like yours,
really standup to not feel threatened and wanna hog all the subs. Kudos.
They call him Tech Jesus for a reason
I wonder how the 2 compare with a VR headset, is there any test that could be done with this?
Car pal moment
Looks like another couple of years of 2nd hand cards for my new system.
Thank for the effort, NGREEDIA
I personally am happy of what nvidia did on a tech enthousiast point of view. It is very nice to see actual new technologies. On the other hand, it can be quite shitty for the consumer at the moment and can easily feel like a rip off. :/
Nothing with pascal it's still very decent
Hey off topic - I am about to build a system, and wanted to know what is the best place or site to look for used GPUs? I want a reliable and safe source.
Although I doubt it's OC (pun intended) that is a great and pretty accurate name for dem bois.
Just bought a gtx970 2nd hand and it rocks.
omg that phonecall to Nvidia made me laugh so fkn hard.
Spot on! xD
I've never been so disappointed. I was going to buy my first ever gaming pc with a 2500 budget. I was dead excited about the RTX cards. I'll just happily save money over a Aorous Xtreme 1080ti card. 😅
same here lol, hit replay on it a few times just for extra laughs.
RTX
Don't buy it!!
TLDR: no
wow... jay has something out on release day... its a Christmas miracle
and he didn't get any problems! finally lol
He has to earn those evga/nvidia bucks
Not worth the kidney price.
10 series was a huge jump over 9 series. 1060 had the similar performance of 980. 1070 that performs better than 980ti. That's huge. A 2080 can only compete with 1080ti. Just a incremental increase for 2x the price.
Nvidia clearly holding performance back because AMD has nothing to compete with 1080Ti let alone anything faster next year you will see the fast cards.
Just wait for the 7nm AMD GPU
This might be AMD's chance to drop it on Nvidia.
When AMD announces new cards Nvidia will do price drop and release the faster card
right Nvidia fan boy
Hey Jay,
A few of us have been holding out with our old 980ti cards. I know the 1080 ti kicks ass, but would it be possible to toss a 980ti at the bottom of the benchmarks in future videos to see how big of a leap going 2 generations would be. I have looked back at some old videos, but with all of the cpu security updates and other variables since then the comparison may be unreliable. I am having no issues today with the games I currently play, but I am eyeing some new titles and I am curious how big of an impact the change would be. I run in 1440p so it isn't as demanding as 4k, but I do have a high refresh panel with gsync.
Thanks!
Velkitor +1
Hey!
I just wanted to try and help you!
This Swedish site shows graphs with 980Ti:
www.sweclockers.com/test/26250-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-och-rtx-2080-ti
And they also do 1080p->1440p->4K benchmarks so you can see the one that suits you.
But on average you get double the performance on 1080ti/2080 than 980ti.
Nice! Those graphs are great.
My best friend is holding on to his 980Ti. He is still at 1080p at high refresh rates and is perfectly happy waiting on RTX gen 2 to come around. The playing field will have quite a shakeup by then. I’m at 1440p with a 1080Ti, and believe me when I say there is no way I’m paying those prices for an RTX 2080 or 2080Ti when 4K at >60Hz isn’t commonplace.
I'm still holding on to my EVGA GTX Hybrid 980Ti. One of the best cards ever manufactured. Couple it with the Asus Swift PG279Q monitor and it kicks ass!
15-30% faster 2080Ti vs 1080Ti. That's it boys. I still like my 1080Ti.
Same
Same
Same
It doesn't makes any sense to spend a lot money for ray tracing, what will be it's benefit on game?
1080ti is way better
he said tht the 2080ti is basically the new way of the 'old' titan just changed names for gaming so you should compare 1080ti to 2080 and actually it is pretty dissapointing same price same performance lol jsut ray tracing tht if u are online gamer you wil never most likely use dont get me wrong its a great technology but i am more of an fps person then looks i use 1080ti and stil lower graphical settings smoothness over eye candy
Thanks for benchmarks. So basically rtx 2080 and 1080 ti are same thing. I will wait until rtx 2080 ti price drop to $799
Nvidia fucked up. They should have priced it the same as the 10 series cards, made the 10 series cards even cheaper, marketed the new cards with their actual performance in older games and said that the new tech wasn't just ready yet and then just sold in bulk.
They'd have made a killing if the 2080ti and 2080 sold for the same price as the 1080ti and 1080.
The prices will drop like a rock....and they will push out the new cards early. Can't blame them. They've been living on a high with crypto and couldn't account this big of a bitcoin crash.
Nvidia's got monopoly in the gpu market lol, no one is competing with them so they will price whatever they want till someone does.
Except they would LOSE money then.... They have no competition except themselves. When they start gimping Pascal, people will upgrade..
Ever heard of greed thats what it is
why they can sell 10 series at same price as before and people will still buy RTX cards.
Fantastic thank you.
But... you need to brush up on your aerodynamic knowlage. The air is not meant to escape. It’s meant to be forced through the vital areas to absorb and transport heat away. Might be counter intuitive but more slots doesn’t mean better ventilation.
The ending though, it's so good! Absolutely love it! 😂👍🤣
Looks like I'll be sticking with my old 980ti for another generation then.....
Hopefully with the new cards being released and the drivers becoming available, you will still see some (reluctant) price drops from the 10 series. If anything, I would look into them. Hell, a 1080 or even the ti wouldn't be an outlandish choice if you are looking to upgrade. I'm definitely skipping the 20 series in total.
Same for me, price to performance doesn't seem worth it to me.
Same here man was really hoping the 20 series to be the one but now its either settle 1080ti or wait another 3 years... 😕
I'm thinking the same thing, I'm on 980Ti SLI and had I hopes of pick up two new cards, but gonna wait as well.
@@Ootlander I'm trying to get my first card. Hopefully the 9/10 series will drop enough so I can pick up a nice card
I wasted so much time, I'll get 1080 ti
labyrinth 98 I bought a 1080ti 3 weeks ago for 600$ best 600$ every spent
That is EXACTLY what they want you to do.
@@Trainwheel_Time yes, this is an attempt to clear out extra stock. WAIT FOR DLSS SHOWCASES
But the ray tracing, Labyrinth, the ray tracing! 1080p at 30 fps glory! Finally we can have frame rates akin to late life PS2!
Don't buy a new one but a used one, like some says they want you to do this, the 1080ti cost the same price than 2 years ago.
Got myself a used watercooled 1080 ti (ebay) for $500 last month. I was laughed at for opting to not wait for the RTX clusterfuck.
Who's laughing now.
Me 🤚🤚. Very pleased with my RTX 2070. Then again I only paid $380 more than you and I got an entire PC around it as well as multiple peripherals and all.
@@TheGauges420 man that makes me feel kinda bad for paying 500 for a 2080...
@@liad4909 it shouldn't lol. I had found one for 430 the other week... My whole pc only cost $895. Got my 24" 1080p 144hz curved MSI monitor on sale for $170... Getting an Acer one that matches the exact same specs 1080, curved, 144hz, just $100.
Would've bought it and sold mine for the same price, upgrading for free, but really I don't even need to risk it, the gains the 2080 has over 2070 would be unused to me. I only plan to game, do VR, and eventually maybe some graphic design. I'm good on my card for years lol.
Thank god I bought a 1080ti 3 weeks ago when it was dirt. Oh boy what a joke 2080 is.
i brought my 1080ti for 600 AUD lmao
@@nightraven4492 fucking where?!
How's it a joke? Lol, the 1080 Ti will become the joke once Ray Tracing's implemented.
@@DJHeroMasta yea the 2025 me won't care till then.....
A joke? It’s dominating
the power of Pascal Compels you.................!!!!!
Ahh ha that made me laugh.
I'll just get a used 1080ti for half the price of a 2080...
i would never trust a used card especially 1080ti due to crypto mining
Agree with Samxdy, better to get a 1080 or 1070(ti), at least its new and not abused.
@@samxdy5563 you're probably a person who hasn't ever built a custom pc. That comment was a stupid remark.
Timmy Kirls You’re probably a person who lives under a rock, every miner sells his 1080ti after using it
@@samxdy5563 obviously, but you can just NOT buy one from a previous mining rig
May I have your attention please?
Will the real 2080ti please stand up?
I repeat, will the real 2080ti please stand up?
Were gonna have a problem here.
WailOfDoom Nvidia being more *shady* than usual lately.
ShredderGG You do not have permission to make such a horrendous pun.
Best purchase of my life.
Check out the Asus ROG OC 2080 Ti
Thanks for your honesty man! Never thought you would say it, but you proved me wrong. Couldn't agree more with your conclusion!
So they really messed up the prices and the names...
Basically 2080 should have been a 2070 for the price of a 1080 and the performances of a 1080Ti...
And 2080Ti a 2080...
Nice video by the way ! Thank you !
Just means there'll be a 2080TiX or something later for $1,700 that has the 60% performance improvement over the 1080ti we all expected out of the 2080ti :p
They didnt mess up, they did it on purpose
You did this profile picture on purpose too, right?
@@stellar3327 yeah you're right, to sell their 10series stock... The best a monopoly can offer I guess...
Thank you for calling it what it is. This gen of card is a "skip" gen for me for sure. I'll keep my 1080FE chugging along. We knew the unveiling was done the way it was for a reason, and this confirms it. These new cards are ridiculously overpriced.
Samuel, out of all the tool comments i’ve read on the internet. You’ve taken the crown for the most toolbag comment i’ve ever seen.
Nigga using mommy's paycheck talking about salaries.
@Andrew Finefrock Micron and AMD are much more profitable. Also Tesla when they dropped ~14% then shot up, was very profitable.
I'm so glad someone called out the elephant in the room. Aside from epeen and benching boints, nvidia has outdone themselves in price gouging. If we continue to fork over the cash, they will continue to gouge.
The way it's meant to be rayed™
The way I now feel betrayed.
Jarrod'sTech I think you mean “The way it’s meant to be raped”
the way it's meant to be gayed
The way it's meant to be Jay-d.™
Jarrod'sTech love your vids!!!
Sooo... in basics: 2080 = 1080ti, difference between 2080ti and 2080 = difference between 1080ti and 1080, sooo... whole 2080 family is just not worth buying for 1080 owners.
Yeah just wait when nvidia stops optimizing drivers for the ten series. Just like what happened to the 780ti with todays drivers and games its now equivalent to a 1050ti
I run a 770gtx and I still think my upgrade in a month or two will still be the 1080ti unless the 2080ti pulls some serious weight with Autocad
i would not hold my breath waiting for that if i was you. 1080 or 1080ti is where you should be looking, as the price of them is going to be falling....until people say 'Fuck it' i will stay with the 10 series for now....meaning the price will be higher as people stay away from the 20 series. so get the 1080ti when the price is lower, as that is what i am doing :)
I agree though I did buy a 2080, I'm upgrading from a 960 and can afford it. But telling all my friends to not bother with this generation.
Good call, 2080 is better than a 1080ti and it will have raytracing and DLSS. I've got a full card heatkiller 4 1080ti so a 2080 makes no sense for me at all and the 2080ti at $1200 plus a new water cooler (which no one has out yet) would bring my total to $1450-$1500...for MAYBE 20% more performance in the games I play. I could sell my card and its cooler for ~$900 but then I'm still paying $550-$600.
Imagine what happens with the temps, when you actually run a game that uses all the new new cores ontop of the cudas.. Id predict overheating.. Dont understand why nobody mentions this in tests!
thats why all after-markets coolings are big
this is eat power and do a heat like amd cards
DLSS uses the Tensor cores. No game currently out uses DLSS. Ray tracing uses the RT cores. No game currently out uses ray tracing. How are you supposed to test things when there's nothing to test them with? Notice nobody has any reviews talking about how enabling DLSS affects performance? Because they can't. Notice how nobody has any reviews talking about how enabling ray tracing affects performance? Because they can't. There's no reason to mention it because it's impossible to verify at this time.
As already mentioned there are some specific cores that handle Ray-Tracing. Yes heat IS shared along the board but not as much as a lot of people think. Im not saying you are wrong im just saying its not that BIG of a deal. The thing im actually wondering is that: Can you actually overclock the RT cores that handle the Ray-Tracing?
Omnom Bacon but current tempts aren't impossible to mention right now. something that did get mentioned here.
FF-XV on an custom beta version made specifically for Nvidia to showcase their product...
and no company's have ever misused that... ehrm... right...
I am currently addicted to watching reviews on cards
NVIDA shot themselves in the foot.
How so? Somebody had to release a raytracing card so developers could develop on them. Without any real competition from AMD, NVIDIA picked the ideal time to do this. They released a raytracing card while their previous generation was still faster than their competition. NVIDIA is setting themselves up to be the leader for the next generation of games that use raytracing.
This is true, the reason why I said; they shot themselves in the foot. AMD is looking for any excuse that Nvidia provides for them to take more market share. This just gives them a better opportunity that set themselves up for better success.
Actually you just probably assume you know more than you actually do. NVidia knows very well what they are doing. People will continue to complain. However if you didn’t notice... despite the negative opinion over the new cards. The 2080ti continues to sell out accross the board relatively instantly. Don’t think for a second nVidia screwed up or is having any remorse. In actualloty they’re probably laughing at these comments because they’re still surpassing projections and hitting record numbers.
Drunkenmaster you stayed this very well and it’s somethkng I have been trying to tell the people who seem to think nVidia is going to crash and burn because they pissed people off. They have no real need or obligations pressing them for huge speed gains. Although everyone seems to be hung up on a card that can dominate 4K gaming. 4K monitors that support any type of desired frame rates the people want are still out of reach for the general consumer. Actually I only know of 1 on the market. And it’s 2,000$. It’s a brilliant move they pulled off. With monitor technology lagging and no competition from any other company in existence. They are furthering their domination of the market. Generating more IP, setting a new standard for the industry that will improve both the quality of our graphical endevours and increase the gap between them and their one competitor. And of course increasing profits at the small price they pay for not receiving your praise.
Look at their share price, has gone down ever since this 2080 series has been announced.
Thanks for sharing the light weight intro benchmarks for the gamers. You just got a sub from me. And thanks to you that I saved close to $500 from not ordering a 2080 Ti, but a MSI Armor 1080Ti. Thumbs up.
Watch this before buying an MSI Armor 1080Ti ua-cam.com/video/BNQtfNFCWa8/v-deo.html
@@ScreamerRSA I just checked it out. Another honest review. Looking at options here.
@Cristian Mejia that's in fact a very good idea. I will try get my hands on a GPU water cooler in the meanwhile.
I was telling myself that also Andy Liu the 1080 and 1080 ti is a big save and worth the money 2080 is only 10- 15 % faster you get like 20 fps more no big difference.
MSI sucks don't do it
Excellent review. I actually revisited the option for a 1080ti after pre-ordering a 2080ti. After seeing the price difference I cancelled the pre-order. I paid £630 for my EVGA 1080ti SC and would've paid £1260 for an EVGA 2080ti XC Ultra. Nvidia had to go a long way for my to justify paying double for the performance difference. After seeing the differences now I'm not disappointed.
Not sure where you're finding 1080ti cards for less than a grand. And in 4K the 2080 (not ti) was benching higher and I can grab one from Best Buy today for $850 including Anthem, Battlefield V and Metro Exodus.
You got a link for that 2080 that comes with the games? When I pull it up on bestbuy it doesn't say anything about free games
I don't know why you are looking at Best Buy taht usually is Worst Buy
Bought a 2080 this week for $689 and $20 mail in. Wasn't really upset about it.
@@marcosladarense you never really bothered to look. Their prices are at MSRP and they price natch amazon and newegg.
Im sticking with my new 1060
I myself have a 1080Ti so I don't see the point in upgrading. Actually I don't see the point in anyone upgrading if they have a 10 series card. We don't have to upgrade every gen anyways and this new one looks to be disappointing.
I'm happy with my 3GB 1060 lol. I will look to upgrade to a 1080 at some point as I just got a 4k display but no further unless the 2060 GTX has a decent jump for the money?
3gb is pretty crappy amount though for the long run. I got my 1070 sc for about 400 euro's. that was very cheap thanks to the big burst of bit coin mining xD That card has 8gb
r hol not true actually, you vastly overestimate the amount of VRAM that games need
GO Go minecraft graphics lol
How much is it ? £1,249.99 ? You know what, I think i will be fine with my GTX 1060 playing on 1080p for few more years.
Actually I dont understand the People who praise 4k so much (except for singleplayer games but I dont play then anyway) I prefer 1080p with the highest framerate possible way more in muliplayer games...
@@oneguyyyy agreed. 144hz 1080p with good settings is fine for me
Don’t knock 1440! It’s a great inbetween and just by changing a few settings you’ll have similar performance as on 1080p. My monitor is set to 165hz and I still get way over that in competitive games such as rainbow.
moonie13 Ye 1440 is great aswell, but I would rather buy a 240hz 1080p monitor instead, but in the end its all about preference :)
Mister Hills Im with you if 4k is ready for steady 100+ fps in games, then I won't say anything against it but that will take atleast 2 more years
I totally agree with you. The 2080 TI is impressive, but not at this price point. It's a bit sad to see that the 1080 TI can trade punches and match the new 2080. I can't wait to see what lower end cards will look like. I would probably go for a 2060 if it has 2070 performance at a reasonable price, but I'm not holding my breath.
You're forgetting that software updates and game optimizations will increase performance as well. This is only the first version.
2060 may not have ray tracing..
And if some sources say the truth, from 2070 and lower, they'll don't have ray tracing.
Hopes and dreams. Consumers should never buy something in the hopes it'll be better in the future. This is the first version and they're charging $800 for the 2080. It's a bad buy. If there need to be better optimization/updates then they should have held off on releasing it. Since it's not ready yet.
True, it will get better. But as of today, at launch, I don't think it's worth it.
You know, the comment about "I won't test anything that you guys can't test" really changed my view on you, Jay. You sound like a decent guy. Especially know what you're talking about. Just got yourself a new sub. Cause 1.6m subs just needs more! lol! Thanks for the video. Informative.
I knew there was a reason for the NDA and hush hush. It's not worth it!
Almost all products have NDAs lol
NDA would've been there regardless, the hush hush of the traditional fps performance was the reason for sure though.
Thanks for your very thorough analysis, as always. Yesterday, less than 24hours before the release of the 2080 and lifting of the NDA.. I bought myself a 1080Ti... Im glad I made the choice I did. As an illustration/confirmation of some of the points you made... one of the reasons I decided on the last generation purchase, instead of spending stupid amounts of money on the new one.. was the snake-oil salesman way that Nvidea promoted the 2080.. your bang on the money with your comments there :)
one positive thing about this thing bitcoin miner are obsiusly going to use the 2080ti so the lower class cards like the 980 are going to be cheaper because there arent as mutch buyers for them
Have had my 1080 Ti for just over a year and went on a 1440p 165Hz monitor last December... No interest in 4k here. Looking at the bench-graphs, no upgrade here and especially at the asking price for an avg. of 10 FPS gain which can be overcome for FREE with OC'ing.
nope... no I cant :).. guilty as charged :)
That was very, very dumb of you. You just pissed away a ton of money. Prices havent even dropped yet....
You're right. Even a 980ti or a 970 still works extremely fine today. Unless you're loaded or you're a game dev as a career, there's really no real reason to get the 2080s now with zero games supporting raytracing at the moment.
do you remember the difference between the 980Ti and the 1080TI? Almoast 80% more performance with almoast doble the VRAM at the same price. Now from 1080Ti to 2080Ti we see 70% price increase, 30% more performance, same VRAM quantity. Big fail.
40%? Nice math bruh
even less you're right
I watched all the reviews on the net... At 4K 30% improvement.
Dean Burton The guy makes an anti-Turing post and still gets called an nvidia fanboy :D
But, yeah it's like 20-30% faster at 4k. For $1200! Just terrible value.
To be fair to Nvidia though, Pascal was lauded as an insane performance improvement, and I think that although RTX is still disappointing, anyone expecting that level of performance increase really didn't know what they were doing
will AMD finally take over after this huge disappointment?
probably not
I would hope so just to knock some sense into Nvidia.
Their 7nm cards are incoming.
They finally got revenue for R&D, so it depends on what Lisa decides. However if AMD invests more into GPU, the CPU side will suffer and vise versa, it might be better to sell off the graphics sector completely. The patents alone are worth in the billions. I think if they don't sale off the Graphics sector they have no chance of surpassing both Intel and NVidia in the future and will always be a step or two behind.
Lol AMD still makes graphics cards? Honestly surprised they havent given up yet
It doesn't matter if AMD can't beat Nvidia... no matter which GPU you use ( Nvidia or AMD )... you will always support them. FYI: AMD's CEO is Nvidia's CEO niece. :)
Agree Jay, It is a don't buy for me. If the 2080 was 10% or 15% above the 1080ti on average I would buy. But at its current price nope. Now if I could get a EVGA 2080 XC Ultra for $700 or $750 I would buy one. If it was close to 1080ti price and perf but I can take advantage of DLSS and RT down the road I would be in. I am very disappointed to be honest.
wait till next year they will price drop them when they release the faster cards.
won't be 10 or 15% above 1080Ti for year or more look at GTX 1080 2016 drivers vs 2018 you can see 10-20fps difference just from drivers.
-Jaggsta, This generation is gonna last 6-12 months because AMDs gonna release 7nm and then Nvidia is gonna have to respond.
lol
John Totten Stop comparing the 1080ti and the 2080. You need to compare the cards in the same class e.g. 1080 vs 2080 and 1080ti and 2080ti. Comparing the ti cards vs non ti cards is stupid.
Thank you for an honest review jay! It’s why i watch you, and gamer nexus almost exclusively now.
Same. There's no bullshitting with Jay and Tech Jesus.
Great conclusion, Jayz. The issue isn't performance, the issue is the COST of that performance and the relative value. The RTX cards are decent cards if you can afford one... But they will be GREAT cards when the prices drop!
*And when the new techs will actually be usable :D
Prices likely won't drop because the Ti has been sold out since it was announced and people will continue buying them.
Gotta wait for those 2019 Black Friday sales. Maybe then we'll see one at that mythical "msrp" LMAO
And when the custom cards become available. Nearly 80C at stock fan curves is awful.
Agree, Wahots. Especially on an OPEN BENCH! :O
these benchmarks confirm to me that this generation is a weak weak lame upgrade. the 1080TI is almost as good its true successor the RTX 2080, so what a waste of 2 years worth of time.
Its not as much an upgrade as a completely new way to render graphics. Also it still outperforms the 1080ti which means its still a better card, and it will only get better as time goes on. The funny thing is youll eventually get the rtx and then realize how wrong you were
@Nemesistyx Its still better. Im not sure if you get this but the only reason a processor like this outperforms is newer technology, its kinda funny cuase you argue its not worth buying, yet its better than a 1080 TI and not finished, + ITS MADE FOR 4K GAMING!
@@Ian-ez3ex yeah no one is saying its not better but hardly any game can take full advantage of it's full potential. Why buy it now when its overpriced simply because they were the only ones on the market for ray tracing? Xbox one was better then the 360 but that doesnt mean it was worth it. Anyone who did blew $100 for a piece of shit kinect you were FORCED to buy that got discontinued very quickly. Plus there werent any fucken good games. You remember sunset overdrive and that Rome game???? I sure barely do.
yes its 1-1 performance. its also roughly 1-1 pricing.
(ref. EVGA 1080ti - $799 v.s. EVGA 2080 - $799)
So if you have a 1080ti should you upgrade? No.... that would be dumb.
If you DON'T have a 1080 or higher and were looking to upgrade to the ti class, get a 2080. its the same performance but its capable of ray tracing, dlss, and simultaneous floating point and integer operations on the same cores. (a huge boon that nothing takes advantage of yet)
@@hoemie2587 well, when you CAN get it for the same price, because I got an entire PC for $895 with an RTX 2070 IN it, as well as a *rack* of peripherals... Why not ya know? It's better than a 1080, which I COULD have gotten the same exact day, but with an i7 7700k instead of a r5 2600x, but they were the exact same price, so why not get the RTX card and have ray tracing at the tips of my fingers?! Now I won't have to worry about it not IF but *when* devs start utilizing it, considering both next-gen consoles want to have raytracing, I'll be good cause I've already got my RTX lol. I was so close to getting the 1080 though tbh, it was really really nice, but even that guy said it was the better deal overall, and I just had to agree. And my entire PC was done with ALL brand new parts. I say yeah if you've got a 1080 or 1080ti already, don't worry about it yet, at all, but over the next year or 2, once devs are taking better advantage of the RTX, you should definitely upgrade then, cause I'm fairly sure all future cards will probably feature RTX, because why not? They can easily make some more cost effective ones and maybe some more powerful expensive ones, but I'm sure they'll all at least feature the RTX feature from here on out just because why not...
the gtx 1080ti is still a beast it has the same fps as the rtx 2080
So far.....
that's why i'm gonna keep it.. even the 2080ti isn't really ready for the new raytracing stuff tbh.. it needs another gen or two before this tech is really fleshed out and even available in more than a handful of games.. oh well and the fps you get with those features enabled is acceptable.. and well the 2080ti is twice the price of a 1080ti.. so i would get more perfomance most of the time if i just get another 1080ti for far less money than switching to a 2080ti...
2 1080tis will not be better or close to a 2080ti. SLI is dead stop wasting money on dead end things. The 2080ti is the titan of the 20 series don't compare it to the 1080ti as it shits on the 1080ti and DLSS is coming, its on the cards just not in the games yet and thats where it shines.
dude 2 1080 tis will definitely beat a 2080 ti in fps but the frame time variance may not be as consistent. I had 2 1080s and they handily beat a 1080 ti but the micro stutter and unoptimal frame time variance made me sell both cards and not use sli. DLSS could be good but maybe it won't. Remember mfaa? It was supposed to be like fxaa but put less strain on the gpu but all it ended up doing was make the image fuzzy so people don't use it and would rather play with aa off than use mfaa. $1200 is what the titan x (pascal) cost but the 1080 ti came out for $700 and was beating the titan x. The 2080 ti is a ti and not a titan and thats why they are selling it with 11gb vram and with the ti moniker. plz be more critical of companies because if u aren't you'll end up giving them all ur money based on empty promises/lies.
its like vega. in one year the performance could increese 20-30% more...
JayzTwoCents Excellent video and very honest and open conclusion. I think a lot of people are wondering about the impact Ray Tracing has on FPS. But you rightly didn't test that because it's still immature. Looking forward to finding out once developers have caught up.
From what Linus said they CAN'T TEST it because there is no game with Ray Tracing out and the drivers for it aren't even out yet. So RTX and DTSS don't even work on these cards currently. They will only work "after future updates" which is what Nvidia said. Meaning no one can test it until Nvidia actually allows developers to add it in which even those who say they have it in can't allow anyone to look at it due to bugs apparently.
Some people think that this is partially why BF5 is delayed, which I think is silly as they can add RTX in later.
Ray tracing most certainly isn't immature, its actually older than rasterisation. In the game engine? Yes. But it isn't immature. Benchmarks could still be made in other ray tracing application that uses the NVIDIA OptiX or DXR API. These cards would destroy the 10 series using that API.
You can't test what doesn't exist...
Sounds like a big flop. Released way too early putting everything on devs. That strategy has never delivered.
Triv1umxxx Well, its true that ray tracing has been a thing for decades. But doing it in real time is rather new, is it not?
im still on my 3.5 gig 970
bakabezzraka same.
Was hoping to upgrade my 970 sc but guess not
It has 4GB and runs fine using it. A few MB could get wasted having to pools.
same. was planning to get the 1080ti instead since its cheaper but essentially the 2080.
I've got SLI 970's around the same performance as a 980Ti or GTX1070, guess I'll be waiting another 2-3 years.
Love the fact you and the other tech youtube channels are working together and have given us new exciting content and leading how to be supportive in the community!
@JayzTwoCents, great video, but a small correction "nvidia is using vulkan for RTX" is wrong. RTX is the driver side of the technology, RTX will be used in Optix (nvidia raytracing cuda based API), will be used in DXR (DirectX raytracing API), and vulkan. This means that graphics API will expose some raytracing API, as directX did with DXR. This mean that if a card support the right Vulkan and DirectX specification, the vendor driver needs to support raytracing, that doesnt mean that is hardware accellerated, we will have AMD, Intel and NVidia supporting raytracing because they will support the latest version of DirectX, vulkan etc.
So TLDR, there is the API side of thing on the graphics side, like directX and vulkan, then there is the implementation of those API that all vendors will need to support. RTX is the driver implementation of DXR API. So is the other way around, nvidia will support raytracing in vulkan, is not that RTX to work uses vulkan.
Answer: 15:10
Thank
I had a 2080 pre-ordered....after a few stating that the tech wasn’t mature enough and the current rasterization standard was identical or only slightly better....I cancelled my pre-order and went with a Asus 1080Ti.....best call I made after seeing these metrics.
I also noticed that the Vega 64 was doing the same blow-trading with a 1080....so at the Joe Average level a Vega 64 may actually be a more sensible buy if you aren’t at the Ti level and rock a 1080p panel.
I guess the only things we now have to look forward to are Vega 128 in 2019 from AMD (which will probably be a 2080 level Card for much cheaper) or the Ray Tracing tech eventually going mainstream for a 2020 refresh where nVidia has the sense to lower the prices back to pre-RT levels (which, if I’m being honest, is still slightly over MSRP of what they need to be charging us).
My Two Cents....
Erm.... Bad decision. The 2080 is like 6% faster at 1080P and much much faster at 1440, and 4K. The price difference at both cards lowest price is $50. Additionally, you can get a new game with the new series card such as: Tomb Raider, or Black Ops 4. You might not care, but it is technically now $10 cheaper. Additionally, Raytracing and DLSS were not tested. Also the 1080 kills the Vega 64 in performance and price.
Samuel T. White - A majority of the most influential tech reviewers all echo that, at launch, Ray Tracing is unknowable. Regarding performance of the RTX “Ti version” on what is mainstream to test....it’s about 20-40% better (which I normally would accept until you mention the price). The dollar to performance just isn’t there; so no RT and Rasterization improvement at 200% the typical upgrade cost for a GPU.....ummm, no thanks. Now, the 2080 was basically trading blows with a 1080Ti for $150 more than a Ti in today’s market.....why spend $150 more today for the same performance on current games and for features not ready to use?
Now, you have a point, that DLSS & Raytracing is the future. But until gaming Engines are re-tooled for these features....until there is a noticeable deficit or ability to gaming on non-RTX cards...the 70% cost increase doesn’t pass my smell test for fiscally-responsible parts purchases & less than 20% performance improvement from a 1080Ti to a 2080 simply isn’t worth $150 more today...even if they have comparable performance to Vega on Vulkan now. Just not worth the jump. If feel like nVidia put the bulk of the dev budget into the “Ti” line and all other cards are simply an afterthought. It honestly doesn’t feel like they earned my monyfor a 2080....and are instead asking a King’s Ransom for the only effort they did work on.
Male Sensitivity - So True. But, if I had to wager, I feel Intel’s first product in this space will be closer to competing with AMD vs nVidia.
It’s kinda like asking if my Ford Raptor is worth it? Sure I could have bought myself a stock F-150, but it’s a Ford fucking Raptor and it’s a beast. No regrets.
$150 for 980ti worth?
S3V3N13TT3R5 yes
hell yea
Its almost a 1060 so u know
hell to the yes
tbh its probably a scam
My first 2080ti Bench Video i watches so far ;) Jay come always first xD
Thats what she said
The only game that matters is Ark Survival Evolved 4k max settings, if it can handle that, it can handle ANY game.
What is your opinion now that GTX 1080 ti's are going for anywhere from $1200-$1500 bucks and you can get a RTX 2080 for $700-$800?
@Gareth who cares about Ray Tracing, the RTX cards are still just a shit ton better for the price with ray tracing off lol
Gareth yeah but besides that, it’s way more powerful than any card, 2080ti that is
@Gareth evry time new hardware comes out there is little to no support for it... game devs can't include ray tracing if their's no hardware to support it. But, once enough of the market gets ahold of rt capable hardware, then it will becoke more prevalent. Hell, isn't the next gen consoles supposed to have rt capable hardware? If you have a 1080ti then theres no reason to upgrade. Personally i wait till about every 3rd gen to upgrade if need be.
You can get used gtx 1080ti's in perfect state for 400 bucks
@@Matpermad I'd like some of w.e you're smoking. You're so full of shit
Finally!
Really like the new design of the slides btw.
edit: no overclocking test huh? Q_Q
BUR1X check Jay recommended channels said you will know why
DEF GLAD I DECIDED TO BUY A 1080TI :)
Jay and Linus I rely on the most and Linus said RTX is basically incomplete while here Jay says it's basically a bottleneck in a way....It's like WTF overall. What were Nvidia thinking?
Marketing gimmick is what they were thinking
What they think of all the time, MONEY.
Well they have no competition at all and this is what happens when a company has such a big monopoly on the market as Nvidia has. If AMD were neck and neck with them then Nvdia would be forced to roll out better tech at more reasonable prices just to stay ahead or to catch up whatever the case may be...
I think Jay does a better job than Linus but Gamers Nexus is far ahead of the curve I recommend watching them.
Survey says: GREED
The ti is NOT worth it at 1080p. It only makes sense when you start going to 1440p and 4k.
And 5k
@@xpodx who plays at 5k? 🙃
@@Naburish me.
What's the best card for 1080p and high refresh rate though
never clicked on a video so damn fast in my life :0
MayoHD smae
smea
Soo u dont have a life
I'm still using an i7 930@4ghz 12gb Kingston hyper ram with msi Rx 480 8gb I got the pc from overclockers UK in June 2010 titan viper originally it had a radeon 5970 2g,then got an Msi r9 290 , now I've just bought a 2080 ti going to install it tommorow for shadow of the tombraider whoopee 😜
@@petrofsko with the i7 930? ...
I got into pc building right when the 1080 were announced. I remember you and all the tech channels covering it and benchmarking on DOOM 2016! When you said you hadn't done it in a while the memories of a less educated pc enthusiast of my self came rushing back ahhhhh nostalgia...
So it was kinda what I was expecting. The 2080 is essentially similar or slightly better than the 1080ti, but the 2080ti appears to be either 10fps to 40fps more than a 1080ti depending on the title. If that difference is worth twice the asking price over a 1080ti is ultimately up to the customer. If ray tracing performance is highly scalable and can run worth a shit at 1440p with DLSS enabled, then MAYBE.
Me personally I am updating from a 980 so either way I am going to get a beefy card in the next few months.
I would wait for the next gen cards next year if you have a gtx 980. Rtx will be better utilized in games (with more cores for rtx on a die) and a more worthwhile upgrade. Remember the dx10 fiasco?
It's really only worth upgrading to the RTX cards if you have a 700 series GPU, and that's just because we know nVidia will end their support soon due to age
@@shagstars lmao you do understand you are going to be waiting 2 or 3 years right? Not worth it. Upgrade now when prices and market has it pretty easy to make a decision that will be worth it the next 2 gens of gpus.
"The 2080 is essentially similar or slightly better than the 1080ti"
This is kind of false. 2080 is slightly worse to slightly better than the 1080ti. pretty much the same performance for 30% more cost
@@blackra1n436 I think they will release a new gpu in like a year already due to very little performamce gain on the 80 side. Only a ti is a good upgrade which is almost as expensive as a titan x at launch so nvidia will upgrade that as fast as possible. It only took 2 years due to mining which affected both amd amd nvidia in terms of releasing new hardware because the demand for new gpus was not high enough. Now mining isnt valuable anymore so demand is rising again and nvidia didnt really deliver. I have seen this in 2013 with amd that refreshed their cards for like 3 gens and nvidia 2 gens
I would buy rtx 2080 just because it is cheeper and well not big performance changes.
Wait what? Rise of the tomb raider you get a whole 8 frames more at 1080p with a 2080TI over a 1080Ti? Is this some kind of joke I'm not getting?
Looks like bottleneck has moved from GPU to CPU in that. Might be even OC CPU could not deliver data fast enough for GFX card to be fully utilized. Thats what I expect what happened. GOtta look into other reviews for more data like running cpu/gpu utilization % to see more about that I guess.
That's because 1080p is bottleneck city for most systems. That's why Jay says you'll need to overclock the crap out of your CPU to achieve higher FPS at 1080p resolutions. Long story short, higher resolutions rely more on GPU power instead of CPU. That is why I made the move to 1440p (Predator XB271HU) when I bought my 1080ti a while back, since my i7-4790k was being choked out by 1080p on AAA titles.
As someone who games at 240hz 1080p I just want more frames. I will stick to my strix 1080ti for another generation. I Simply Can't justify throwing away £1500.
bottleneck...cpu is limiting, just ignore 1080p benchmarks
@@TheSarah10001 1080p hmm...
The new cards are a waist of money in my opinion. You are better off sticking with the 10 series. If the would price the 20 series the same as the 10 then I would say sure I'll take one.
I have bought all my cards used and never had a problem.
Only the 1080ti is interesting too, I still got a 1500/8000 GTX980ti and it keeps up with the 1070ti in most cases. On 1440p that's fineee still. Not going to upgrade for a while.
70 per cent of price increase for only 25 per cent performance increase.... Yeah no thx, better spend on a 1080ti or switch to AMD and wait for their new cards.
Love the new graphs!
that's a great video, i immediately changed my mind about my future buys, i'll definetely try to get another version of the rtx 2080ti instead of the founders edition. Great content, want more!!!
unless the red team can get something out in time a used 1080 ti is looking like a great way to go for 400-500
I hope you are right, but since everyone knows how most people feel about the 20 series, the 10 series cost might not drop..
Where are u finding them for that price?
@@thiccosaurus4033 mostly local (Craigslist and whatnot), lowest I've seen as of yesterday is 450, 500 for a decent cooler
@@benjaminkelly7871 I wish I could afford it haha
Yep, that's where I'm at. 1080ti, here I come.
But Tom's told me to just buy it??? I'm so confused...
XD good one
Totally overpriced , 60% price difference between my 1080ti and a RTX2080 .. no thanks .. SORT YOUR PRICING OUT NVIDEA
Jay, I want to thank you for your honest assessment and in-depth analysis of this, as well as factoring in the price/performance analysis. And by the way, the live-motion bar graphs are awesome. Keep it up!
Also once you turn on the RTX you'll definitely dip down in that frame rate!
@heyboobsniceGirl new technologies and have to start somewhere.
So just don't turn on rtx?
@heyboobsniceGirl thay have capped the voltage so you not able to twick that....
@@Tofuey that would kinda defeat the purpose of these cards unless you play on a 4k monitor
RedMasterJV no one is buying these cards to use rtx. 1440p is also a noticable step up from 1080ti.
As a render guy i'm getting me a 2080ti for sure ^^ Don't care much about the games to be honest.. but things are happening for games in that regards too. If all you do is playing games, sure, stick with 1080ti until the software have matured. - but someone had to kick the shift to ray tracing off. Excited to see what the future bring. Can't wait to fire up Octane render with a 2080ti (or two) in my machine ^^
why not get a Quadro
happyfarang good job, keep us in touch.
@@1216Rockman because they're insanely expensive for the same performance
Looking forward the rendering performance in Redshift. Has any of the render engines made any headway using the new RTX tech?
$2400 for such a negligible performance increase? Not to mention the fact that the games you try to run might have glitches due to not being optimized to run above 100fps. Or were you being sarcastic?
Just found out about the GamerNexus. Wonderful channel, i also love yours too. Hope both will continue to do well :)
P.s. Serious Jay > Funny Jay (but i love both!)
If he cut his hair, he would lose his divine powers though.
steve cutting his heavymetal locks, blasphemy! :D
I truly appreciate the RAW honesty in this video. Thanks so much.