Hi! I owned one since 4 days and after the first 10 seconds it became a part of my body. She is an absolute beauty in every respect! I have a Samurai Manty Ray, a Sumo, a 5 Sports, a SKX 700, a Glossy and a few others more but this tool is just amazing! This watch will never leave me again!
Totally agree...I bought my MM300 about 2 months ago and it really is an amazing piece. I own a sub a well, which is a great watch. However the block case, polishing is just so good. I did buy an aftermarket bracelet for about $200. I then put the Seiko clasp on that bracelet and it just elevated the whole thing. Great video...
The Rolex will hold it’s value better- as it should given it’s cost- but the MM 300 is much better watch both in engineering, case finishing, movement finishing, regardless of cost. I’ve owned both.
It will but I’ve had a Rolex Yachy and had a 2.2k Seiko in my hands and I can te you the Seiko fells better built in my hands. Rolex looks cooler, no doubt, but the Seiko feels stronger/better
MM300 is my favorite watch. I’ve owned most of Rolex and Omega and Tudor. Can’t speak to higher horology but this is my favorite watch under 20k. Beats the pants off of SMP300, The Sub, even the red line Sea Dweller imo. I remember looking down at my sea dweller and wishing it was the MM300 I had sold. It doesn’t make sense but when you spend some time with this piece you’ll understand! Yes the bracket could be better, but it won’t ruin the experience for you. The only thing it lacks is brand recognition. I can’t enjoy it without other heavy hitters in my collection. This gets more wrist time but I know I have “nicer” watches at home… watch collecting doesn’t make sense, you learn to just go with it. It looks nicer on rubber than any other proper dive watch, yes, even the seamaster. The only negative is the mental battle it will cause you to rage that it’s not a proper Swiss piece when you get around other watch people. Especially if it’s a newer model without the MM text on dial. Again, watch collector problems. Own a Rolex and then wear the Marinemaster everyday. Have a good life 👍
I have a MM 300 sbdx. I also have a rolex, the MM is never off my wrist. Love it! The finish. The look. The loom. Hands down beats the rolex every day of the week.
Yup, the best all round dive watch ever made. I've owned Subs for 25 years. Only Rolex's Sea-Dweller 116600 comes close to MM300. The Blancpain 50F is the nicer luxury prop and the Tuna the better pure diver. That's heady company for a $3k watch. Importantly, the MM300 clasp allows the watch to clamp over a wetsuit without removal - very useful. The Rolex extensions are nice for casual comfort, but not great for diving. And it is a characterful, charming watch. RIP Marinemaster. The 'X' branded models are very good, but not as cool.
Yes, better than a Rolex Sub, there's lots - Glasshute Sea Q, Blancpain Fifty Fathoms, IWC Aquatimer......but the amazing thing about the Marinemaster is price! Thanks for watching.
First I think we need to stop comparing everything to Rolex as some how being the reference watch everything has to be compared to. Rolex is still a mass market watch. I have had three of them and sold them all. Good watches yes, retain value, iconic, etc, but not even close to the best watches out there for less $ or more. You own a Rolex because you want a Rolex...
$2000 is a great price for this watch. I own a Submariner, a Seamaster but a number of other Divers including a Turtle and an MM200. (You'll gather I'm not snooty about what I like and will wear. Seiko are a great company). I handled the MM300 at the Seiko (It's pronounced 'Saycoh' not 'Seekoh' incidentally Erik) Boutique in London. It really is a super nice piece that exudes quality. For me though, all in it was just a tad too heavy... (a good idea on the rubber bracelet). The other upside is that some toerag is not likely to try and mug you for it.... Tip Erik: It's a good idea to mention your wrist measurement whenever posting a wrist shot 🙂
P.S. You're right. As to why they took 'Marinemaster' off the dial... Crazy. Just plain crazy. When you pay 3k for a Seiko Diver, you expect a little kudos and individuality on your dial. Utterly brainless marketing decision.
There's an old saying: if you want to impress people, buy a Submariner. If you want to impress yourself, buy a MarineMaster. I agree entirely. I'd have the Seiko over the Roller any day. And I prefer the 017 to the newer MM300s; I think it's a much better looking watch. Oh, you wear a Tuna BECAUSE it's intimidating.
I have had one Rolex Submariner and six Seiko Divers. I still have the six Seikos. I sold the Rolex. I don’t have a Marine Master, but would love to in the future.
Marinemaster or a sla055 or something along those lines, yes, I agree with you. If I had the choice to buy that or a new submariner and I had the free money to buy I still will take the seiko. They're that good.
Thanks for the review. I will consider the Marinemaster, however.. I love my Seiko Tuna Gundam Char with a burgundy dial! It also has the 8L35 movement. If you wear it, keeps perfect time. It has the polished ceramic case guard. Also a monocoque case, but in blackened Titanium! Also a lumed material mystery bezel. It is, in my opinion, The Ultimate Watch I would wear if the world ended.
MM300’s are amazing. Love everything about them. They are distinctive, incredibly well built, reasonably affordable, and have a great history. Seiko knows how to make some good watches.
Thanks for the brave review. Brave in a sense that all the Rolex snobs will be right down your throat and you know it. I have owned a couple of Rolexes and now own a nice rare Datejust, blue with Roman Numeral dial. I also own many odd brands and some Seikos. Let's face it; the Japanese have everyone in the world beaten by a long shot in regards to precision for the money, in everything they do, and in every industry, watches included. A Seiko is probably 10x the value of a Rolex, unless you are only considering it a financial investment. When comparing apples to apples, pure hardware wise, it is hands down Seiko over Rolex. Also, almost all reviews rate the GS bracelet inferior to Rolex. That is pure BS as the bracelet outperforms the Rolex bracelet in the real world.
Not sure if you have an older Rolex or not, but there is no way that a GS bracelet is better than a modern Rolex bracelet. I’ve owned two GS, and they are awesome, but the bracelet is the weak point. It’s by no means bad, but it is not as good as Rolex, Breitling, Tudor, or Omega. Regarding accuracy, you can’t compare quartz accuracy to mechanical, it’s two different technologies.
BTW, Seiko Spring Drive: Virtuoso ! 27 years and 600 prototypes , 300 patents, to bring to market. Grand Seiko quality- starting to eat Rolex’s lunch. Citizen broke the horological sound barrier: World’s first autonomous watch accurate to within one second per year., Japanese horology is a great place to hang out- wonderful quality for money spent…😊😊
I am not in watches, but as a professional sailor knowing about the aggressive salt water which runs every kind of top notch quality, it makes sense nit to waste money. So great review. Might think about.
Only if you cannot afford a Rolex, then it is obvious! My Sea dweller 4000 has never left my arm since I bought it in 1981, only to adjust the date. It has never had a service, it still in perfect shiny condition. I live at the sea and are in it almost 200 days of the year, and its time accuracy is still better than 4 sec/day. Besides, if I sold it now, I can get 34 times as much as I paid for it. Show me a Seiko that is on par. There is no comparison at all. A Seiko still remains the poor man's Rolex.
There's a big difference in being able to buy a new Rolex in 1981 and today, even if you've got the cash. I inherited from my dad, who was comfortable but not rich. He just walked into a store on a whim & walked out with a new Sub half an hour later, costing less than a months income. A laughable idea now. I own three Seiko's & they get more wrist time. Sure the Rolex has a resale value many times over the price of all my Seiko's but I'm not selling any of them, so it's moot.
Not only did they take the name off, but now they have stripped the name out of its significance by adding it to an inferior watch this has nothing to do with the marine master ads we've known it for so long.
This. Other than the prestige and heritage, which to me are secondary, the MM 300 easily bests the Rolex in about everything else. I can name each and every one but it's all subjective anyway, but if you were to take an objective survey, I'll bet my money that the MM will dominate. Also, I would think the reason they removed the "Marinemaster" line is because it's a little cheesy, and I think I'd have to agree to that. And the reason it's become so is because everybody's doing it, especially adding word "master". I think Seiko just wants to continue to have their own identity.
I have the SLA039. My only true high beat watch. Runs fast though. May see if seiiko will regulate it. Other than that, the watch is stunning. The case finishing, dial, hands are amazing. Easily as good as my GS .
Love Seiko and notorious for not regulating so hit or miss with accuracy. I have been lucky and usually +/- 3 to 4 sec daily. Your watch movement could be magnetized if you've had for a while. Thanks for watching.
I had a Rolex once. Sold it on ebay and thankfully got most of my money back. Horribly overpriced and completely underwhelming as a time piece. The cost of servicing them is joke. Better off with a £25 Casio.
Looks.amazing but try before you buy it's way too heavy for many and the main reason people move it on is its too damn heavy Titanium might make it more wearable
Good review and spot on to the “under promise and over deliver” ethics of brands like Seiko. I wouldn’t compare a Seiko to a Rolex by the same merits because they are products of substantially different pedigree, but I respect the overall value Seiko timepieces offer to their market, which always exceed the standards for all intent and purpose.
@@erikkinginnyc thank you, sir! I’m blessed to have inherited an original and excellent condition Capt Willard 6105-8110 from my dad and it still runs well, and I’ve also had a Seiko SKX diver so I can attest to their quality. I’ve passed on my Sub 16610 to my son for a Patek Phillip Aquanaut just a few years ago, and I’ve no desire for another piece since😎
I just picked up the 140th anniversary MM300 (prospect) to celebrate my first baby boy! I love the green dial and black bezel, i do wish it said MM300 on the dial, but i will take the upgrade on the shaphire and ceramic and deal with the ugly X lol
Great video I have a sbdx001 never comes off, also have a rolex deep sea the only thing better on the rolex is the screw down crown. With the seiko you can cross thread the crown when tightening its the only drawback of the seiko keep up the great videos
Hola amigo, me encantó la revisión que le hiciste al reloj, yo tengo el sbdx025 hace dos años y la verdad es que es un reloj impresionante, el reloj corre a +5 segundos con la esfera hacia arriba y +1 segundo con la corona hacia arriba, mucho mejor que algunos suizos de mi colección, mi meta a mediano plazo es tener un Grand Seiko Hi-Beat,me encanta la marca Seiko, tengo el marinemaster, el sarb033, el pogue, y el sarb017. Estube evaluando bastante tiempo si comprarme el Seiko MarineMaster o el Tudor black bay Usado, al final me compré el marinemaster, me enamoró su caja monobloque realmente es única y también su calibre que es de una manufactura increíble, este reloj no tiene nada que envidiar a un reloj suizo de $5000, estoy muy contento con el reloj, Seiko no alardea con su precisión pero en este reloj es mucho mejor que un cosc, lo tengo ya casi dos años y es muy muy estable es su funcionamiento, un saludo amigo desde Chile, recién descubrí tu canal y es de mucha calidad, ojalá sigas teniendo más suscriptores.
So no sapphire crystal and not a ceramic bezel! Don’t compare it to sub then. What divers actually use their watch for diving purposes these days? It just says I dive that’s all!
This watch has been discontinued years ago,and it's a tool watch, not a shiny jewellery like most of the rolex. The explorer 2 is the only proper tool watch left from rolex
The company is Crafter Blue. They make brand specific fitted rubber straps and you can use the original clasp if you wish or there's. 60 bucks or so. Thanks for watching.
Ever seen a drug boss or high flying criminal wearing Seiko ? So no, stop comparing these two even if it's a hundred thousand Seiko, it's a two different lives, planets etc. Gorgeous watch this one, fore sure ! Love the bracelet, strap.. I need that watch !
Correct 100% .... JUST little advice: But gangsters bosses watch ROLEX in garbge or destroy it .... Because very bad to wear it .... Peoples will scare from you because rolex .... and they will think bad things about you .... rolex actually for drugs gangsters bosses .... Big thanks ....
If you don't beat the snot out of it,you sell the MM300 pretty much for what you bought it for. I recently bought an SLA021 and while I know its not COSC,it'll gain minuts in a day sometimes. I still like it and have no real buyers remorse. I thought of getting it adjusted/regulated,but nothing I (or 90% of the public)do requires that level of timing precision.
They’re not comparable… trying to compare them doesn’t work. Two different concepts. Two very different watches… One is a dressed up tool watch… The other is a dress watch, dressed down, to look like tool watch. Beyond that it’s all preference because neither will ever be used for the original intended purpose…
@@erikkinginnyc i’ve owned them both by the way. I liked the Seiko better, But not enough to keep it. The forever Rolex has ended up being the Explorer 1…. I have several forever Seiko’s but all of them are well under $1000 watches. Cheers!
Sorree… Speaking as the owner of both a Rolex and the Seiko (I own both brands)-,and also as a certified diver- thank you for your pontifications- the Seiko is the finer of the 2 by far. For example: Monocoq case on the Seiko- eliminates possibility of water leaking through case back (because there is no case back!). @ 900 m Rolex Sea Dweller requires a helium escape valve; The Seiko MM 300 needs no valve: the construction of the Seiko case is so solid tha helium cannot enter the case as on the Rolex…
oen area the rolex is better as a dive watch though is bezel grip. with wet hands i havea hard time turning the seiko bezel. the rolex sea dweller bezel just digs into the pads of your fingers like no other watch out there. and the bezel feel and action is the best in the world. but the mm30 is very good for it's price.
Rolex's are good collectibles but shitty at telling time, as are all mechanical watches (except the oysterquartz). A $2 quartz watch tells better time than the most precise mechanical watch.
@@erikkinginnyc Don't get me wrong I like Rolex. I'm trying to find a late model Oysterquartz Day Date presidential at a decent price. I'm haggling with a guy via message right now.
I want this watch so bad! I want the green dial one! (140th anniversary ) 🤤😩 Please if anyone knows where I could buy one in Dallas, TX. Please let me know. 🙏🏼
Check watch recon or Watchuseek boards. Just put in Seiko MM300 Watch Recon. This specific watch is discontinued but tou can find the new version without Marinemaster on the dial or there are plenty used in great shape that are the sbdx017.
@@erikkinginnyc Thanks for the info! I became a member and I also happened to find one here locally. $3200 for the MM300 Green dial 140th Anniversary. While calling around I happened to call a place that sells Rolex as well and the guy basically told me I’m making a mistake if I buy the Seiko MM.. why? “Because it won’t hold its value! But if you want the watch then go for it!” He also said..”Just get a Rolex, it will hold its value 10 years from now! “ I told him I don’t have $10-13K! 😅😅.. Your video has set my mind at ease that I am making a good purchase! 😌👍 Thank you.
wow....MM >>>Sub ?? Pretty bold statement .. For the $$$ money the MM is hard to beat and has unique features (monocoque case ) that gives the MM advantages over the Sub ...
Seiko will never be "better" than a Rolex. Maybe as good quality...yes. But better? NO. Remember, Rolex is selling swag, not a time piece. If you want the best time piece, use your cell phone clock. Nothing is more accurate than your cell phone. What Rolex is really selling is swag. Ex: "Hey...look at me! I can spend $20K on something that is not needed and you can't." That what a Rolex is. It's in your face. It's proof of wealth. It has little to do with accurate time. Seiko is a value time piece, unlike a Rolex. So yeah....I guess Seiko could be better in terms of a watch. But nobody buys a Rolex for it's watch function. A $40 Casio does just as good of a job, if all you want is a watch.
Most will never dive with this or a Sub. On the fly adjustments mean so little. I like the MM, but that diver's extension is just very UGLY when opened. Plus it opens inadvertently quite frequently when putting the watch on & taking it off. Really a poor design.
Interesting review of the 2 watches.I currently own the Seiko SBDX017,Seiko SBDX012,Tudor Pelagos and the current 41mm Submariner.All 4 are great watches,but the Rolex is just in a class of its own.
I have the Pelagos, 58 and Sub and the Rolex is definitely a beautiful watch and a classic. It hasn't changed much since its launch (looks wise). For me, for a tool watch specifically for diving I go with the MM300. Thanks for commenting.
The majority of you alleged watch connoisseurs are missing the point. Rolex know most premium watch owners could care less how a watch works or even looks, the prestige of those 5 little letters is the Bottom line. Do not underestimate what bearing a neutral country like Switzerland during world wars has, as opposed to ‘Japan China Etc
i own both models, the sbdx017 and a sub 114060. both great watches, but the sub is sooooo much more refined. love them both for different reasons. almost not an apples to apples comparison
@@RK-zo9vs Or in my case sell the Rolex and go on a n awesome bucket list hiking vacation . Peru here I come ! Rainbow mountain, Machu Picchu, Gotta waterfall. Man that would be awesome
Im keeping the Seiko Marinemaster and selling the Tudor. Love them both but have the Grand Seiko Spring Drive so really don't need the Tudor any longer. I used the Tudor 925 more as a dress watch. The way I see it, I have the ultimate two watch collection (even though I have a lot more) being - The MM300 for a tough daily wear and diver and the Grand Seiko Spring Drive as a beautiful dress watch that's more accurate than most anything you can buy. Thanks so much for watching!
Think it depends on which mm you compare the mm200 to. The mm300s in the 3000$ range aren't as nice as the 055. The 055 retailed at $4600. It is an exceptional watch. Gorgeous and tough. I have the 055' and 039. The 039 is special like the 055. I use the 039 more. It tugs at my heart more.
I have the SLA021 and have come to the same conclusion. The Sub is arguably better as an all-arounder, but the Seiko MM300 is the better dive watch. It’s the absolute apex predator of tool watch divers.
It looks a little too big for your wrist,like a hubcap that's ticking,your wrist look about the size of mine 39 mm is my Sweet spot but I have a date just 36 and it fits pretty good also
I would not buy a watch that is "New/Modern"(Maybe Vintage or Antique) $300 +++ that does not have have a Sapphire Crystal especial one that is designed for "Sports" - Diving, Climbing, Hiking etc. The same goes for a "Functional Bezel" that was not Ceramic. There is no reason to cut corners like that at this price range unless some new materials come out that are better than these.
I respect what your saying but owning the watch I really see no difference in Hardlex and sapphire. Additionally, the same for the ceramic. I have the Tudor BB58 925 and aluminum bezel that I feel is easier to scratch than the MM DLC.
@@erikkinginnyc Erik, I appreciate what you are saying and the review. I am very hard on watches. I have had watches with Hardlex and Flame Fusion Crystals and scratched them both. Can you scratch a Sapphire Crystal? Yes, but it is very hard. You are more likely to crack/shatter it. I have not done that yet or scratched a Sapphire Crystal. I have scratched plenty of Al Bezels. It does not take much. Ceramic Bezels can be scuffed and scratched. It is harder than AL, and the scratches are usually minimal. For me, I will look almost any watch to see what it offers, but will not purchase it if does not have Sapphire Crystal and if it a Dive Watch it has to have Ceramic Bezel (unless it were a Vintage or Antique). You are free to choose what ever you like but I would not spend hundreds/thousands of $$ on a Dive Watch that did have these specs. It would drive me crazy to have $3k watch with scratches on the Crystal and Bezel. It would not take me long to get the scratches. After all Dive Watches are designed to take a lot of abuse.
Actually, from an engineering standpoint, Hardlex is the better choice because it cannot shatter like Sapphire. Having said that, the latest MM 300 has both the sapphire crystal and the ceramic bezel. SBDX043 I just bought one. 😊
@@MrCuckooboxI feel your pain. Check out the fully tegimented Sinn U50 German Dive watch. Made entirely from German U Boat submarine steel . The entire case, bezel, and bracelet are case hardened at the molecular level, and are scratch proof. Wear that watch hard every day and it will look brand new 10 years from now! 😊😊
Erik, I worked in early 70's in Marseilles as a deep water, mixed gas saturation diver wiv COMEX. I have two watches, both Rolex, given to me by COMEX. First, one does not have COMEX on the face dial, but is inscribed inside backplate wiv COMEX and COMEX's own serial number 011. It's got two lines of red print on the face and a HEV. The second one has COMEX on the face and COMEX's own serial number 278 on the outside of the backing plate and a HEV. Both well worked and battered, never service as too dammed expensive. I have long retired and wonder if they were worth anything?
@@erikkinginnyc Tell the good readers what a "Grand Seiko Movement" is. Tell them how it uses an automatic pendulum , (like all automatic watches for winding), to drive, instead of winding a spring it drives a micro electrical generator. So you want people to believe it's a totally mechanical watch huh? Do tell 'em Eric. Tell 'em you've fallen for the flim-flam like the rest of you youtube narcissists - sorry influencers.
I really have no experience with Seiko other than Marinemasters and a soon to receive Spring Drive in a few days. I do know of it and rave reviews for an affordable GMT. I see no downside as it looks great!
The other watch I have is a Longines Admiral automatic 'Disco Volante' is super mint condition. It was given to me as a gift, stuck in a safe for 43 years, and only found it recently when selling my house to downsize.
Samurai or sumo if you like bigger watches. If you like medium sized wearing watches, i highly recommend a 62mas model like a spb143 or spb147. I have the spb297 and these watches are absolutely stunning.
Man If I was you, I would pick the alpinist SPB 121 or, If you want, the classic SARB 017. I just started the hobby also about 4 months ago, when I got my first Orient sun and moon gen 3, a great watch also!
Not a bad looking watch but the size is much larger than a submariner.. hard to compare the two. Not in the same class price wise or size wise. And we all know people that like seiko will agree and bash Rolex and Vice versa.
Hi!
I owned one since 4 days and after the first 10 seconds it became a part of my body.
She is an absolute beauty in every respect!
I have a Samurai Manty Ray, a Sumo, a 5 Sports, a SKX 700, a Glossy and a few others more
but this tool is just amazing!
This watch will never leave me again!
Couldn't agree more! Thanks so much for watching.
Totally agree...I bought my MM300 about 2 months ago and it really is an amazing piece. I own a sub a well, which is a great watch. However the block case, polishing is just so good. I did buy an aftermarket bracelet for about $200. I then put the Seiko clasp on that bracelet and it just elevated the whole thing. Great video...
Agree with the bracelets as something seiko doesnt do so well. Functional but not very good looking.
The Rolex will hold it’s value better- as it should given it’s cost- but the MM 300 is much better watch both in engineering, case finishing, movement finishing, regardless of cost. I’ve owned both.
Couldn't agree more!
It will but I’ve had a Rolex Yachy and had a 2.2k Seiko in my hands and I can te you the Seiko fells better built in my hands. Rolex looks cooler, no doubt, but the Seiko feels stronger/better
Keep taking your meds
Rolex become a good investment watch
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MM300 is my favorite watch. I’ve owned most of Rolex and Omega and Tudor. Can’t speak to higher horology but this is my favorite watch under 20k. Beats the pants off of SMP300, The Sub, even the red line Sea Dweller imo. I remember looking down at my sea dweller and wishing it was the MM300 I had sold. It doesn’t make sense but when you spend some time with this piece you’ll understand! Yes the bracket could be better, but it won’t ruin the experience for you. The only thing it lacks is brand recognition. I can’t enjoy it without other heavy hitters in my collection. This gets more wrist time but I know I have “nicer” watches at home… watch collecting doesn’t make sense, you learn to just go with it. It looks nicer on rubber than any other proper dive watch, yes, even the seamaster. The only negative is the mental battle it will cause you to rage that it’s not a proper Swiss piece when you get around other watch people. Especially if it’s a newer model without the MM text on dial. Again, watch collector problems. Own a Rolex and then wear the Marinemaster everyday. Have a good life 👍
Just love it too. I sold my near perfect MM version and have been looking to replace it since. Love that watch! Thanks for watching.
I have a MM 300 sbdx. I also have a rolex, the MM is never off my wrist. Love it! The finish. The look. The loom. Hands down beats the rolex every day of the week.
Same with me as I wake up a lot and use the MM to see the time through thr night. Funny when people say it's too heavy.
how do u cope with the weight
beautiful but so heavy
Yup, the best all round dive watch ever made. I've owned Subs for 25 years. Only Rolex's Sea-Dweller 116600 comes close to MM300. The Blancpain 50F is the nicer luxury prop and the Tuna the better pure diver. That's heady company for a $3k watch. Importantly, the MM300 clasp allows the watch to clamp over a wetsuit without removal - very useful. The Rolex extensions are nice for casual comfort, but not great for diving. And it is a characterful, charming watch. RIP Marinemaster. The 'X' branded models are very good, but not as cool.
Yes, better than a Rolex Sub, there's lots - Glasshute Sea Q, Blancpain Fifty Fathoms, IWC Aquatimer......but the amazing thing about the Marinemaster is price! Thanks for watching.
Couldnt agree more. Even though the extension doesn't look pretty, your right it extends longer than the Sub for sure. Thanks!
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My ROLEX Submariner is 40 years old and I wear it every day....both are great watches but I love my ROLEX Stainless - Gold with Lapis ....
i am not a diver, but i own both, rolex sub and seiko MM. Seiko MM is heavier and Rolex is more elegant. the seiko is top heavy. Both are great watch
Totally agree. Thanks for watching and check out my new MM300 video.
First I think we need to stop comparing everything to Rolex as some how being the reference watch everything has to be compared to. Rolex is still a mass market watch. I have had three of them and sold them all. Good watches yes, retain value, iconic, etc, but not even close to the best watches out there for less $ or more. You own a Rolex because you want a Rolex...
Good point
I agree! The Marinemaster
Is a much better watch than the Rolex Submariner.
Agree as its just the facts.
$2000 is a great price for this watch. I own a Submariner, a Seamaster but a number of other Divers including a Turtle and an MM200. (You'll gather I'm not snooty about what I like and will wear. Seiko are a great company). I handled the MM300 at the Seiko (It's pronounced 'Saycoh' not 'Seekoh' incidentally Erik) Boutique in London. It really is a super nice piece that exudes quality. For me though, all in it was just a tad too heavy... (a good idea on the rubber bracelet). The other upside is that some toerag is not likely to try and mug you for it.... Tip Erik: It's a good idea to mention your wrist measurement whenever posting a wrist shot 🙂
P.S. You're right. As to why they took 'Marinemaster' off the dial... Crazy. Just plain crazy. When you pay 3k for a Seiko Diver, you expect a little kudos and individuality on your dial. Utterly brainless marketing decision.
Thanks for the input. I do say say co but perhaps not clear enough.
I totally 💯 agree with you on the Seiko Marine Master 👍🏻
i purchased mine in 2015 0r 16 one of my best watches
Couldn't agree more. Lot's dont get Seiko but amazing watches. Thanks so much for watching.
There's an old saying: if you want to impress people, buy a Submariner. If you want to impress yourself, buy a MarineMaster. I agree entirely. I'd have the Seiko over the Roller any day. And I prefer the 017 to the newer MM300s; I think it's a much better looking watch. Oh, you wear a Tuna BECAUSE it's intimidating.
Agree!
I’ve had mine for over 10 years. Lots of other choices, but it’s my most worn watch.
Thanks for watching
It’s a lovely, robust diver and deserves more love. Well done.
I have had one Rolex Submariner and six Seiko Divers. I still have the six Seikos. I sold the Rolex. I don’t have a Marine Master, but would love to in the future.
Had Rolex and quite a few Tudors now 4 Seiko MM and a Grand Seiko. Thanks so much for we watching!
Marinemaster or a sla055 or something along those lines, yes, I agree with you. If I had the choice to buy that or a new submariner and I had the free money to buy I still will take the seiko. They're that good.
Couldn't agree more. There's a big (massive) Rolex fan boy club though.
Thanks for the review. I will consider the Marinemaster, however..
I love my Seiko Tuna Gundam Char with a burgundy dial! It also has the 8L35 movement.
If you wear it, keeps perfect time. It has the polished ceramic case guard. Also a monocoque case, but in blackened Titanium! Also a lumed material mystery bezel.
It is, in my opinion, The Ultimate Watch I would wear if the world ended.
Great watch! Thanks for watching.
MM300’s are amazing. Love everything about them. They are distinctive, incredibly well built, reasonably affordable, and have a great history. Seiko knows how to make some good watches.
Sorry about the late reply as not all showing up on my phone for some reason. Agree and thanks for watching!
Thanks for the brave review. Brave in a sense that all the Rolex snobs will be right down your throat and you know it. I have owned a couple of Rolexes and now own a nice rare Datejust, blue with Roman Numeral dial. I also own many odd brands and some Seikos. Let's face it; the Japanese have everyone in the world beaten by a long shot in regards to precision for the money, in everything they do, and in every industry, watches included. A Seiko is probably 10x the value of a Rolex, unless you are only considering it a financial investment. When comparing apples to apples, pure hardware wise, it is hands down Seiko over Rolex.
Also, almost all reviews rate the GS bracelet inferior to Rolex. That is pure BS as the bracelet outperforms the Rolex bracelet in the real world.
Panerai got both Seiko and Rolex beat when it comes to style.
Not sure if you have an older Rolex or not, but there is no way that a GS bracelet is better than a modern Rolex bracelet. I’ve owned two GS, and they are awesome, but the bracelet is the weak point. It’s by no means bad, but it is not as good as Rolex, Breitling, Tudor, or Omega. Regarding accuracy, you can’t compare quartz accuracy to mechanical, it’s two different technologies.
The MM is a better dive watch the Rolex better for impressing your friends
On the money. Real watch enthusiasts dont need the crown!
I might add for impressing your friends who know “Rolex” but know nothing about watches.🤡🤡
Great video, could you give us some of the details of the Strap you're using and how it was modded?
BTW, Seiko Spring Drive: Virtuoso ! 27 years and 600 prototypes , 300 patents, to bring to market.
Grand Seiko quality- starting to eat Rolex’s lunch. Citizen broke the horological sound barrier: World’s first autonomous watch accurate to within one second per year., Japanese horology is a great place to hang out- wonderful quality for money spent…😊😊
I am not in watches, but as a professional sailor knowing about the aggressive salt water which runs every kind of top notch quality, it makes sense nit to waste money. So great review. Might think about.
Thanks for the reply. Seiko is is a great affordable brand for diving....
Only if you cannot afford a Rolex, then it is obvious! My Sea dweller 4000 has never left my arm since I bought it in 1981, only to adjust the date. It has never had a service, it still in perfect shiny condition. I live at the sea and are in it almost 200 days of the year, and its time accuracy is still better than 4 sec/day. Besides, if I sold it now, I can get 34 times as much as I paid for it. Show me a Seiko that is on par. There is no comparison at all. A Seiko still remains the poor man's Rolex.
There's a big difference in being able to buy a new Rolex in 1981 and today, even if you've got the cash. I inherited from my dad, who was comfortable but not rich. He just walked into a store on a whim & walked out with a new Sub half an hour later, costing less than a months income. A laughable idea now. I own three Seiko's & they get more wrist time. Sure the Rolex has a resale value many times over the price of all my Seiko's but I'm not selling any of them, so it's moot.
Hi Nick! What rubber strap are you using on your MM? Thank you!
the MM feels bombproof . Tragic they dropped the "Marinemaster " from the dial.... Great vid....subbed...
Couldn't agree more! Thanks for watching!
Just found your channel..Great review..I own three Rolex watches..This seiko kills them all!
Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Not only did they take the name off, but now they have stripped the name out of its significance by adding it to an inferior watch this has nothing to do with the marine master ads we've known it for so long.
Totally agree as the new isn't even close. Thanks for watching.
This. Other than the prestige and heritage, which to me are secondary, the MM 300 easily bests the Rolex in about everything else. I can name each and every one but it's all subjective anyway, but if you were to take an objective survey, I'll bet my money that the MM will dominate.
Also, I would think the reason they removed the "Marinemaster" line is because it's a little cheesy, and I think I'd have to agree to that. And the reason it's become so is because everybody's doing it, especially adding word "master". I think Seiko just wants to continue to have their own identity.
How much would the MM300 cost if it said Swiss Made instead of Made in Japan?
What a beautiful watch. Thanks for sharing.
Incredibly more for sure. Thanks for watching.
I have several Seikos in my watch collection and they are definitely a lot of bang for the money!
Agree
Hey, hi Erik! You look somewhat like Richard Gere...A great watch and review! Enjoy the New Year and be safe and well...Cheers!
Get that occasionally - thanks so much for watching!
I have the SLA039. My only true high beat watch. Runs fast though. May see if seiiko will regulate it.
Other than that, the watch is stunning. The case finishing, dial, hands are amazing. Easily as good as my GS .
Love Seiko and notorious for not regulating so hit or miss with accuracy. I have been lucky and usually +/- 3 to 4 sec daily. Your watch movement could be magnetized if you've had for a while. Thanks for watching.
For me the ultimate diving style grail
watch along with Blancpain ff.
I had a Rolex once. Sold it on ebay and thankfully got most of my money back. Horribly overpriced and completely underwhelming as a time piece. The cost of servicing them is joke. Better off with a £25 Casio.
Couldn't agree more! Thanks for watching.
Looks.amazing but try before you buy it's way too heavy for many and the main reason people move it on is its too damn heavy
Titanium might make it more wearable
Thats true. The Marinemaster Tunas are real light - Titanium, Ceramic...but also real big. Thanks for watching.
Seiko MM’s are so good. Great video, agree with you 100%.
Thanks for watching!
Just Bought a king samurai night vision.. It's a fantastic looking Watch..
Thats great - congrats. Thanks for watching!
Good review and spot on to the “under promise and over deliver” ethics of brands like Seiko. I wouldn’t compare a Seiko to a Rolex by the same merits because they are products of substantially different pedigree, but I respect the overall value Seiko timepieces offer to their market, which always exceed the standards for all intent and purpose.
Well said
@@erikkinginnyc thank you, sir! I’m blessed to have inherited an original and excellent condition Capt Willard 6105-8110 from my dad and it still runs well, and I’ve also had a Seiko SKX diver so I can attest to their quality. I’ve passed on my Sub 16610 to my son for a Patek Phillip Aquanaut just a few years ago, and I’ve no desire for another piece since😎
Great watch shame about the 2 dollar crown stems. Fix the tube issues then I’ll buy one for sure. They look tough
I just picked up the 140th anniversary MM300 (prospect) to celebrate my first baby boy! I love the green dial and black bezel, i do wish it said MM300 on the dial, but i will take the upgrade on the shaphire and ceramic and deal with the ugly X lol
Agree about the upgrades. Congrats and great watch!
I have one and love it, however I don’t put it above the sub. I like your content however.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Agreed on everything.
If only the crown was at 4.
I dont like crowns at 3:50.
A beauty (almost) ruined.
Thanks for watching!
Way better than a Sub and can compete with a Planet Ocean.
@@maitrehg Thanks for the comment and for watching.
Great video I have a sbdx001 never comes off, also have a rolex deep sea the only thing better on the rolex is the screw down crown. With the seiko you can cross thread the crown when tightening its the only drawback of the seiko keep up the great videos
Sorry about the late reply as not all showing up on my phone for some reason. YES, you're on the money as Seiko is too easy to cross thread for sure.
Hola amigo, me encantó la revisión que le hiciste al reloj, yo tengo el sbdx025 hace dos años y la verdad es que es un reloj impresionante, el reloj corre a +5 segundos con la esfera hacia arriba y +1 segundo con la corona hacia arriba, mucho mejor que algunos suizos de mi colección, mi meta a mediano plazo es tener un Grand Seiko Hi-Beat,me encanta la marca Seiko, tengo el marinemaster, el sarb033, el pogue, y el sarb017. Estube evaluando bastante tiempo si comprarme el Seiko MarineMaster o el Tudor black bay Usado, al final me compré el marinemaster, me enamoró su caja monobloque realmente es única y también su calibre que es de una manufactura increíble, este reloj no tiene nada que envidiar a un reloj suizo de $5000, estoy muy contento con el reloj, Seiko no alardea con su precisión pero en este reloj es mucho mejor que un cosc, lo tengo ya casi dos años y es muy muy estable es su funcionamiento, un saludo amigo desde Chile, recién descubrí tu canal y es de mucha calidad, ojalá sigas teniendo más suscriptores.
No podría estar más de acuerdo y ahora estoy esperando un Grand Seiko Spring Drive para vestirme. me convertí de suizo a japonés
It’s a seiko ….and will never be a Rolex it’s really that simple
Thankfully you are correct.
Rolex for show Seiko for telling the time
So no sapphire crystal and not a ceramic bezel! Don’t compare it to sub then.
What divers actually use their watch for diving purposes these days?
It just says I dive that’s all!
Rolex Sub is jewelry.
This watch has been discontinued years ago,and it's a tool watch, not a shiny jewellery like most of the rolex. The explorer 2 is the only proper tool watch left from rolex
There is no comparison the Rolex is a much better watch and I’ve had the Seiko.
The MM300 is a way better tool watch. Looks way better too.
Where to buy?
Where can I find that strap at? It looks amazing.
The company is Crafter Blue. They make brand specific fitted rubber straps and you can use the original clasp if you wish or there's. 60 bucks or so. Thanks for watching.
Ever seen a drug boss or high flying criminal wearing Seiko ? So no, stop comparing these two even if it's a hundred thousand Seiko, it's a two different lives, planets etc. Gorgeous watch this one, fore sure ! Love the bracelet, strap.. I need that watch !
Thanks so much for watching!
Correct 100% ....
JUST little advice:
But gangsters bosses watch ROLEX in garbge or destroy it ....
Because very bad to wear it ....
Peoples will scare from you because rolex .... and they will think bad things about you ....
rolex actually for drugs gangsters bosses ....
Big thanks ....
Thanks for watching.
If you don't beat the snot out of it,you sell the MM300 pretty much for what you bought it for.
I recently bought an SLA021 and while I know its not COSC,it'll gain minuts in a day sometimes.
I still like it and have no real buyers remorse.
I thought of getting it adjusted/regulated,but nothing I (or 90% of the public)do requires that level of timing precision.
They’re not comparable… trying to compare them doesn’t work. Two different concepts. Two very different watches… One is a dressed up tool watch… The other is a dress watch, dressed down, to look like tool watch. Beyond that it’s all preference because neither will ever be used for the original intended purpose…
Agree - apples to oranges. One for diving one for desk diving and two very very different watches.
@@erikkinginnyc i’ve owned them both by the way. I liked the Seiko better, But not enough to keep it. The forever Rolex has ended up being the Explorer 1…. I have several forever Seiko’s but all of them are well under $1000 watches. Cheers!
Sorree… Speaking as the owner of both a Rolex and the Seiko (I own both brands)-,and also as a certified diver- thank you for your pontifications- the Seiko is the finer of the 2 by far. For example: Monocoq case on the Seiko- eliminates possibility of water leaking through case back (because there is no case back!). @ 900 m Rolex Sea Dweller requires a helium escape valve; The Seiko MM 300 needs no valve: the construction of the Seiko case is so solid tha helium cannot enter the case as on the Rolex…
In 1972, a steel; Sub cost 285USD. It was a very good watch; a TOOL watch. The Sub' didn't become a status symbol until the 80's.
oen area the rolex is better as a dive watch though is bezel grip. with wet hands i havea hard time turning the seiko bezel. the rolex sea dweller bezel just digs into the pads of your fingers like no other watch out there. and the bezel feel and action is the best in the world. but the mm30 is very good for it's price.
You know why I wouldn't buy it? Because if you strip the threads on the crown tube you have to buy a whole new case. No thanks.
great watch. i have two of them. the SLA023 and SLA053. although I'm thinking of selling them and getting an SBGH255. lol.
Please tell me how much this watch,coz so many variations .
You can get used but in new condition from 1800 - 2200.
@@erikkinginnyc Thank you Sir.
Check out the Seiko LX spring drive stealth wealth watch. A much better Seiko 😌 watch. Plus great video
Yeah, that watch us amazing!
My dream watch would be the Grand Seiko diver titanium 5 days spring drive 200m
Rolex's are good collectibles but shitty at telling time, as are all mechanical watches (except the oysterquartz). A $2 quartz watch tells better time than the most precise mechanical watch.
Yup, quartz is the most accurate!
@@erikkinginnyc Don't get me wrong I like Rolex. I'm trying to find a late model Oysterquartz Day Date presidential at a decent price. I'm haggling with a guy via message right now.
I want this watch so bad! I want the green dial one! (140th anniversary ) 🤤😩 Please if anyone knows where I could buy one in Dallas, TX. Please let me know. 🙏🏼
Check watch recon or Watchuseek boards. Just put in Seiko MM300 Watch Recon. This specific watch is discontinued but tou can find the new version without Marinemaster on the dial or there are plenty used in great shape that are the sbdx017.
@@erikkinginnyc Thanks for the info! I became a member and I also happened to find one here locally. $3200 for the MM300 Green dial 140th Anniversary. While calling around I happened to call a place that sells Rolex as well and the guy basically told me I’m making a mistake if I buy the Seiko MM.. why? “Because it won’t hold its value! But if you want the watch then go for it!” He also said..”Just get a Rolex, it will hold its value 10 years from now! “ I told him I don’t have $10-13K! 😅😅.. Your video has set my mind at ease that I am making a good purchase! 😌👍 Thank you.
I'm looking at the tissot seastar 2000 right now...... blue and black dial looks good but trying to get the green and black.
wow....MM >>>Sub ?? Pretty bold statement .. For the $$$ money the MM is hard to beat and has unique features (monocoque case ) that gives the MM advantages over the Sub ...
Seiko will never be "better" than a Rolex. Maybe as good quality...yes. But better? NO. Remember, Rolex is selling swag, not a time piece. If you want the best time piece, use your cell phone clock. Nothing is more accurate than your cell phone. What Rolex is really selling is swag. Ex: "Hey...look at me! I can spend $20K on something that is not needed and you can't." That what a Rolex is. It's in your face. It's proof of wealth. It has little to do with accurate time. Seiko is a value time piece, unlike a Rolex. So yeah....I guess Seiko could be better in terms of a watch. But nobody buys a Rolex for it's watch function. A $40 Casio does just as good of a job, if all you want is a watch.
Most will never dive with this or a Sub. On the fly adjustments mean so little. I like the MM, but that diver's extension is just very UGLY when opened. Plus it opens inadvertently quite frequently when putting the watch on & taking it off. Really a poor design.
Interesting review of the 2 watches.I currently own the Seiko SBDX017,Seiko SBDX012,Tudor Pelagos and the current 41mm Submariner.All 4 are great watches,but the Rolex is just in a class of its own.
I have the Pelagos, 58 and Sub and the Rolex is definitely a beautiful watch and a classic. It hasn't changed much since its launch (looks wise). For me, for a tool watch specifically for diving I go with the MM300. Thanks for commenting.
@@erikkinginnyc I also dive with my Seiko’s and sometimes the Pelagos.The sub only sees pool water.🤣
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT STRAP ??
Crafter Blue is the name of the company. Its by far the best rubber strap for this watch! Also, fits the Seiko Clasp. Thanks for watching.
Looks a bit clunky . But appreciate your review. Nicely done.
Thanks for watching. It's big as hell but super capable.
The majority of you alleged watch connoisseurs are missing the point.
Rolex know most premium watch owners could care less how a watch works or even looks, the prestige of those 5 little letters is the Bottom line.
Do not underestimate what bearing a neutral country like Switzerland during world wars has, as opposed to ‘Japan China Etc
Gorgeous piece wear it in good health
i own both models, the sbdx017 and a sub 114060. both great watches, but the sub is sooooo much more refined. love them both for different reasons. almost not an apples to apples comparison
After all. If somebody offers you a marine master or a submariner free for you, be honest, which one you take free?
You'll take the Rolex and sell it and buy a MarineMaster and have a couple of thousand left over to buy something else with.
@@RK-zo9vs Or in my case sell the Rolex and go on a n awesome bucket list hiking vacation . Peru here I come ! Rainbow mountain, Machu Picchu, Gotta waterfall. Man that would be awesome
Ask Eric what watch he would keep..
Im keeping the Seiko Marinemaster and selling the Tudor. Love them both but have the Grand Seiko Spring Drive so really don't need the Tudor any longer. I used the Tudor 925 more as a dress watch. The way I see it, I have the ultimate two watch collection (even though I have a lot more) being - The MM300 for a tough daily wear and diver and the Grand Seiko Spring Drive as a beautiful dress watch that's more accurate than most anything you can buy. Thanks so much for watching!
The MM is an overhyped watch. The SLA055 which I own is far superior in every way.
Think it depends on which mm you compare the mm200 to.
The mm300s in the 3000$ range aren't as nice as the 055. The 055 retailed at $4600. It is an exceptional watch. Gorgeous and tough. I have the 055' and 039.
The 039 is special like the 055. I use the 039 more. It tugs at my heart more.
So many watches are better than Rolex, but Rolex people don't care about it... 😂
You're right but they dont want to hear it - Patek, Vacheron, Breguet, Blancpain, Glasshute Original.......Thanks for watching.
@@erikkinginnycand Omega
Japanese are ahead
I have the SLA021 and have come to the same conclusion. The Sub is arguably better as an all-arounder, but the Seiko MM300 is the better dive watch. It’s the absolute apex predator of tool watch divers.
There’s nothing about a Rolex that makes it worth it’s cost and nothing that makes it better than almost any other watch maker.
Well you will be able to get a 50 year old Vostok or Seiko serviced but Rolex won't service even one of their 30 year old watches.
True. Thanks for watching!
amazing pieces, love my sbdx012
It looks a little too big for your wrist,like a hubcap that's ticking,your wrist look about the size of mine 39 mm is my Sweet spot but I have a date just 36 and it fits pretty good also
I would not buy a watch that is "New/Modern"(Maybe Vintage or Antique) $300 +++ that does not have have a Sapphire Crystal especial one that is designed for "Sports" - Diving, Climbing, Hiking etc. The same goes for a "Functional Bezel" that was not Ceramic. There is no reason to cut corners like that at this price range unless some new materials come out that are better than these.
I respect what your saying but owning the watch I really see no difference in Hardlex and sapphire. Additionally, the same for the ceramic. I have the Tudor BB58 925 and aluminum bezel that I feel is easier to scratch than the MM DLC.
@@erikkinginnyc Erik, I appreciate what you are saying and the review. I am very hard on watches. I have had watches with Hardlex and Flame Fusion Crystals and scratched them both. Can you scratch a Sapphire Crystal? Yes, but it is very hard. You are more likely to crack/shatter it. I have not done that yet or scratched a Sapphire Crystal.
I have scratched plenty of Al Bezels. It does not take much. Ceramic Bezels can be scuffed and scratched. It is harder than AL, and the scratches are usually minimal. For me, I will look almost any watch to see what it offers, but will not purchase it if does not have Sapphire Crystal and if it a Dive Watch it has to have Ceramic Bezel (unless it were a Vintage or Antique).
You are free to choose what ever you like but I would not spend hundreds/thousands of $$ on a Dive Watch that did have these specs. It would drive me crazy to have $3k watch with scratches on the Crystal and Bezel. It would not take me long to get the scratches. After all Dive Watches are designed to take a lot of abuse.
Actually, from an engineering standpoint, Hardlex is the better choice because it cannot shatter like Sapphire. Having said that, the latest MM 300 has both the sapphire crystal and the ceramic bezel. SBDX043 I just bought one. 😊
@@MrCuckooboxI feel your pain. Check out the fully tegimented Sinn U50 German Dive watch. Made entirely from German U Boat submarine steel . The entire case, bezel, and bracelet are case hardened at the molecular level, and are scratch proof. Wear that watch hard every day and it will look brand new 10 years from now! 😊😊
Very cool
Erik, I worked in early 70's in Marseilles as a deep water, mixed gas saturation diver wiv COMEX. I have two watches, both Rolex, given to me by COMEX.
First, one does not have COMEX on the face dial, but is inscribed inside backplate wiv COMEX and COMEX's own serial number 011. It's got two lines of red print on the face and a HEV.
The second one has COMEX on the face and COMEX's own serial number 278 on the outside of the backing plate and a HEV.
Both well worked and battered, never service as too dammed expensive. I have long retired and wonder if they were worth anything?
a fortune!!!!
A view from the UK. Why are you comparing a mechanical watch with a quartz watch?
The Marinemaster 300 SBDX017 is a mechanical watch with a Grand Seiko Movement
@@erikkinginnyc Tell the good readers what a "Grand Seiko Movement" is. Tell them how it uses an automatic pendulum , (like all automatic watches for winding), to drive, instead of winding a spring it drives a micro electrical generator. So you want people to believe it's a totally mechanical watch huh? Do tell 'em Eric. Tell 'em you've fallen for the flim-flam like the rest of you youtube narcissists - sorry influencers.
What are your thoughts on the new Seiko SSK GMT's?
I really have no experience with Seiko other than Marinemasters and a soon to receive Spring Drive in a few days.
I do know of it and rave reviews for an affordable GMT. I see no downside as it looks great!
Richard Geer
Get that occasionally. Thanks so much for watching!
Too chunky and as I do love Seiko I wish they’d step up their bracelet game. Also get rid of the plastic gears.
The other watch I have is a Longines Admiral automatic 'Disco Volante' is super mint condition. It was given to me as a gift, stuck in a safe for 43 years, and only found it recently when selling my house to downsize.
In your opinion, what would be a good everyday Seiko to start my collection with?
Seiko land tortoise. SRPH17. It's fantastic
Samurai or sumo if you like bigger watches. If you like medium sized wearing watches, i highly recommend a 62mas model like a spb143 or spb147. I have the spb297 and these watches are absolutely stunning.
Man If I was you, I would pick the alpinist SPB 121 or, If you want, the classic SARB 017. I just started the hobby also about 4 months ago, when I got my first Orient sun and moon gen 3, a great watch also!
Listen to the replies here as believe it ir not I have no Seiko experience at except Marinemasters - Tunas and the 300. Thanks for we watching!
A Seiko King Turtle , dive watch 200 m.
In a word No!
To each their own. Thanks for watching.
Fix your audio and you've got a wining channel!
no lie my marinemaster is better.. 😂
Not a bad looking watch but the size is much larger than a submariner.. hard to compare the two. Not in the same class price wise or size wise. And we all know people that like seiko will agree and bash Rolex and Vice versa.
Submariner- everything is just a wannabe. Except for "Scuba Dude" by Bostock, its Russian AK47 Watch...
No ceramic bezel and no sapphire are deal breaker. Hardlex is well below avwrage. However a mod can fix it.