In all seriousness, I do feel like there is a bias with TCs towards Hydro and Pryo units getting hyped over Electro units and I can somewhat empathize with it if you're looking at raw numbers but it just leaves so much out context in those discussions. I'm glad that you covered the fact that she is able to be paired with some of the most powerful off-field damage dealers, not requiring Bennett in any of her best teams, having *multiple* team archetypes that are all relatively competitive with each other and the flexibility of not requiring a grouper or healer. Your overview covers what so many Clorinde (and Fischl) glazers have been saying for months. Barring an Abyss floor where you're up against heavily Electro-resistant enemies (Thundering Manifestation maybe?) it's probably easier to find a team to play Clorinde on that floor than it is with any other on-field damage dealer in the game. - Flying robochicken? Good news, her best teammate is Fischl and can knock it out of the air. - Nightsoul mechanic? Who gives a shit, Fischl + Clorinde with any other element shreds the elemental shields on it. Worst case scenario you slot in Ororon, Xilonen or Mavuika in her team and have a cozy clear. - Enemy has an inherent elemental aura and you can't swirl it? Chevreuse + Clorinde. - Lots of enemies on field and you *do* want to swirl them? Aggravate with Kazuha. - Hydro enemies or enemies with a Hydro shield? Aggravate turns into a Quickbloom team with FREE damage! - Those annoying Centaur Statue dudes with a ton of Geo shields? Good news, Overload deals extra damage to them so go Chevreuse. - Fatso dendro chicken with the exploding fruits taking a long time to kill? Good news: Chevreuse Overload again! Genuinely, I don't think that other carries have this much variety in terms of answers to common foes you face in the Abyss and that's why Clorinde is so valuable to me. You can for sure use Pyro characters like Arlecchino instead but playing her without the pyro shota from Mondstadt feels like playing Yoimiya in 2025
It can be argued that all of it also applies for Arlecchino. Plus better raw numbers and much flexible rotation since her pyro application doesn't expire when switched out. So, including every single points you mentioned, Arle also has an advantage against annoying underground bosses who show up only for a while. I'm thinking of getting Chlorinde too since I accidentally got R2 Absolution and C2 Nahida. Reading your comment made me wanna pull her too ngl. But after thinking for a while, Arle does all those things plus more so I'm back to square one on whether to pull her or not. Edit: oh yeah, and I have high ping so her optimal rotations never work for me.
@@licarsmeth6890wouldn’t chlorinde have a better advantage against hidey enimes like wenut because she usually isn’t circle impact and she can move really quick?? And short dps windows
@@licarsmeth6890 more or less, i do think that Arlecchino has higher pull value than Clorinde, but is just because her current best team is a whole new level of damage, melt teams are insane, probably the ceilling of the game if they don't introduce a new mechanic or reactions with higher multiplier. But Clorinde could keep up just fine with Arlecchino before even though she was obviously weaker. For a comparasion: - Flying Chicken, yeah, at least she has Yelan - Pappilla? Unlike Clorinde, Arlecchino can't deal with Pappilla without going out of your way to slot a second sub-dps (like double hydro), but to be honest she has one real team that can deal with Papilla, that is Emily burning, but this combo makes anyone can deal with Papilla, so its not quite like Clorinde that it seens like she was designed to deal with those types of enemies; - Inherent elemental aura, it depends, if is Tulpa, Arlecchino is having her best day, for other cases (like the pyro balls of Natlan), you can run Xilonen or Chevrouse, but Clorinde overload teams are stronger and more sinergistic than Arlecchino - AoE, yeah, they are pretty much the same, but in this case Arlecchino is locked to circle impact (since if you are using Kazuha is either mono pyro or VV Vape) - Hydro enemies? Arlecchino easely wins this since its free vapes, and you can bring Xiangling for absolutely bully Tulpa - Geo shields? Yeah, you have overload, but in both cases, you can easely slot Zhongli either in aggravate or mono pyro/vape teams So its more or less the same, but i think that the point of Clorinde being better against unfavorable matches its true. Arlecchino was a lot worse against the Natlan pyro balls, because she does the majority of the damage of the team, but Clorinde would not have this problem, at least not that bad, for exemple, Thundering Manifestation (and other electro enemies like the cube or slimes), is easely bullied by quickbloom teams, electro shields are easely shred by dendro and pyro (her best teammates), and for electro resistant enemies (like the consacrated beast scorpion), again, her current best team is a dual carry team, so you just switch to Mavuika, or deal with it using hyperblooms in a quickbloom setup. This is due to electro being a weaker element than pyro but being a lot more flexible by design. So while Arlecchino is pretty flexible, she's limited to pyro archetypes (except burgeon), while Clorinde has access to all the electro archetypes (she's good even in super conduct, which makes she good even at this abyss top half when fighting Suanami), its not circle impact, and don't rely that much on contested supports. Electro has sinergy with a lot more of archetypes than pyro, because how auras interact with electro, and good sinergy with dendro, so even in rainbow scenarios, probably you can find a Clorinde team that works. I think the greatest demonstration of Clorinde was last abyss, where pyro was being countered to favor Furina (despite being a Neuvillette abyss). She could be really good on first half due to her wheelchair or electro charged teams (which had Furina to deal with any hydro required content, and Xilonen for the Wolflord), and eveen if the pyro balls were electro balls, the team would still perform well due to Furina and Chiori sub-dps. And her best use case was the second half, where Arlecchino would feel ass too, since or you need to bring another sub-dps like double hydro or fischil (when Arlecchino prefers a buffer) to deal with Pappila or you won't even reach the robot chicken. While most of Clorinde teams could walk like a breeze there (oh, and Primo vishap was electro resistant, but Clorinde teams could deal as fine with him). So even though Arlecchino is flexible and has higher damage, Clorinde is balanced to be more flexible and do lower damage, but this is always the trade-off between pyro and electro teams anyway, so i don't think its a entirely true that Arlecchino is just better.
@@licarsmeth6890 The only thing Chlorinde has over Arle is the application. For example Chlorinde+Fischl can break the entire Void shield of the Abyssal enemies in one skill duration, while Arle absolutely needs Fischl C6 and still take a rotation and half.
I was a bit underwhelmed when I first got Clorinde, but after getting c6 Chev I am totally loving her teams. While her teams may not be the highest performing, the freedom of not having to use Bennett, Nahida, Xilonen, Kazuha or Furina feels amazing.
@@henshj9874 Well, I am more referring the freedom of being able to use any of my other dps's best teams on the other side of the abyss haha. Having support unit overlap is such an awful feeling at times.
@@henshj9874 Her best teams uses all the characters she listed except for Bennett. The best part is they all have a 4* alternative that can be just as good with slight alterations. No Nahida -> go Kirara and just use Eshu; No Xilo/Kazu -> Go Sucrose+TTDS; No Furina -> go Yelan (although c0 Furina isn't really good on Clorinde).
i'm happy that even super conduct Clorinde somewhat became a viable team, since you can run a Furina + Xilonen + Citlali team, and have shield, a lot of buffs, and Citlali triggering some full EM super conducts
Good video, I just got her C1 and Chevy to C6 and have been having a blast with their upgrades. I was surprised by how well she aged play-wise in my account. I usually play the same teams I end enjoying lots despite having a bunch of dpses, and she has grown as such a versatile one that I see myself picking almost every abyss cycle because of it. Her teams barely get countered given how many elements and reactions she can synergise with and the fact of her self sustain allows for even more variety when picking up her off fielders. I'm overall not a fan of the BoL mechanic of Arle but Clorinde's felt so seamlesly good besides her cool style and character, I'm genuinely happy I picked her up last year. As for my favorite team, I enjoy running a hyperburgeon Clorinde and how random bs goes pewpew is very fun, which also capitalizes on Thoma overload/burgeon's build. Maybe I'll try to pick up her C2 someday to reduce more her staggering and get extra damage, for now I'll focus trying to get her a better Whimsy set, mine is so bad compared to my TF but at least I have nothing else to farm for now and can waste resin there haha.
THANK YOU for mentioning Echoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As someone who does have a good ping (under 70) so it can work properly all i can say, and truly i mean this as a HUGE compliment, Is that i was never properly happy clearing F12 with Clorinde until after seeing it completely destroy in Speedruns (note: i am not a speedrunner or math guy) and than trying it out for myself and seeing Clorinde as a true abyss goddess (even if out of top 3 meta yadayada) rather than a AoE electro sword Yoimiya with Hu Tao style to-and-fro playstyle, which i liked but never felt good or dramatic enough. Admittedly me having R1 for her does help since it offsets not using Whimsy or Glad, and it may be key to letting Echoes shine (that or her C2, my Clorindes C0 though) Its too damn good, and with good ping and high crit rate, easy on Clorinde, its too damn fun, its for me not just the best results i've ever gotten out of her the bit of RNG with it adds just that bit of Drama i guess i craved with her. I LOVE IT PLEASE BUILD YOU CLORINDES ECHOES IF YOU CAN FAM!
I've been using Clorinde for a long time since her release, including abyss and she does a lot of work there. I've basically done a lot of teams with her (Quickbloom, Quickburn, Quicken, Quickconduct, Overload, Overvape, so on) and they all are pretty nice. My favorite is Quickconduct using Diona C6 Nahida C2 Fischl C6 just stuffing Clorinde with EM buffs, her equipping Skyward Blade having more numbers on the screen, ER stat from it as well, increased ATK SPD, and the funny 20% bonus ATK to go along the whole thing for more numbers on my screen enough to ruin UA-cam bitrate.
"Put the thundering fury down." Me with really good TF artifacts for my Clorinde: no, I don't think I will (mainly because i don't like artifact grinding)
Tf is like 84% damage of whimsy and that's only if you can do the correct extended roatation with Fischl, the TC's were giivng bad advice reccomending it.
4:38 "Put the Thundering Fury set down" Honestly I couldnt have said it better myself, when Clorinde first released I simply switched my TF from Keqing to her and while the comfort was nice to have overall she felt quite underwhelming, however when I got to play her on a friends account with 4p Whimsy, she felt so much better to play and it felt like she was actually doing dmg. So naturally Ive been farming Whimsy for the past 3 months and finally got a good 4p last week and honestly ill never look back, Whimsy is such an upgrade over TF. On top of that with the recent rerun I was finally able to pick up c6 chevreuse and c3 Clorinde and her overload teams feel amazing and honestly feel way better than her aggravate teams. Personally I like Clorinde, XL, Fischl, Chevreuse simply because No c6 sara sadge. Also thank you for highlighting Quickburn Clorinde, its been an absolute blast for me to play and other people just dont seem to recognize it for how good it is.
TF still has a niche use case if you pair Baizhu with Clorinde. Baizhu has a 20s burst CD so he prefers extended rotation which requires TF. Otherwise Whimsy is always better.
Thank you for the video! Found you from some of the genshin courts but I've def grown to love your guides and other videos on genshin! Can't wait to get Clorinde and this video is going to be so helpful for building her! [Holy,, a weapon ranking TYSM]
I pulled clorinde last night after a 12 pity arle weapon and a few months ago i pulled nahida, but since i dont have baizhu my cyno isnt as good as he could be so now i finally have someone optimal to use with nahida
Great overview. I never noticed how well Clorinde works as a second team in almost every abyss scenario, even though I used her all the time when I didn't know what else I could play, that isn't standard Neuvillette, Arlecchino, you name them teams. The quickburn team is also so fun and easy to pilot. It's really slept on, probably because it needs relatively high investment on multiple characters (overall "issue" in aggravate) and utilizes characters that a lot of people aren't fond of like Emilie and... Fischl... when people think 5 star means good and she gets compared to Yae.
i got her c2 on first run, and signature on second run. i can barely play her without big dong zhong especially on mobile but i love clorinde so much 🙃
You should try investing in Lan Yan then actually, with C2 she’s better Defensively than Zhongli while providing better buffs through vv and Hakushin ring
How can you barely play her when she's fast and you have interruption resistance increase because of c2 I'm sorry to say but if you really can't that's a bit of a skill issue (I'm not trying to be that oh you fucking suck massive skill issue but you have a little skill issue then) but I also have skill issue probably I just use daddy zhong because I'm lazy to dodge
@@UnknowinglyRL im also mobile and dont have zhongli, shes usable without a shield but its kinda hard. i use c6 kira instead of nahida, and she still does alot of dmg (not as much as nahida) but still comporable since theres no atk interruption
I love her design, and I love how flexible her teams are. I've been using her in aggravate, mono electro, electro-charged, hyperbloom, and overload teams. She's really fun to use
@kim-xo To be quite honest, I don't really care about power creeping in a majorly PvE game. She can still kick ass and I *did* use her in the first half of the abyss, this rotation. C2R1, yes but she's reasonable
you know both videos can be right? this video is more objective with its info and doesn't put much personal opinion in, while zajeffs has more personal opinions mixed with on screen clacs to verify some of the things he's saying. just a difference in video styles but both provide useful information on the character which should be the main takeaway. clorinde doesn't have to be a SSSS tier top meta pick to be called good, and i have not heard jeff nor anyone else call her bad either. nothing wrong with just being above average.
I was wishing for lan yan and accidentally got clorinde twice, so I used her in the abyss today and cleared. She turned out to be really good at shredding the shield on the meme flower, which was a big help because I don't like the natlan characters. I used hu tao plunge on first side. Normally I would have had to try second side with alhaitham but so far clorinde is a little easier for me to pilot than alhaitham and it was helpful for me to switch to overload for that cryo shield thing on 12 2. I already had Haran and some janky Gladiator scraps laying around, so the building was quick. All in all I think I could have 36 starred this abyss without her but it would have been much more of a struggle. But now that I have her I think I'm very well placed to keep 36 starring in most situations. Cause I can run hu tao or navia (they are both currently tied to furina, my bennett/xiangling are not super well built and I don't like yelan), and now clorinde can be either a sidegrade to alhaitham, or just switch to overload and then I can still have dendros free for the other side. I was hitting my head against the meme flower coming up like one second too long until I switched out kazuha for lan yan and the shield made the difference that helped me clear. Because the flower's forms were really aggressive this time and with kazuha I kept getting hit or having to waste time dodging during clorinde's skill. So also this abyss was a lan yan W for me already.
If you do not have C6 Fischl, do not sleep on Kuki as the other electro pairing on the Chev overload. The double heals makes the team impossible to kill. Kuki’s burst also helps shred the papilla shields. Zero energy requirements, and you don’t have to worry about managing Oz.
6:55 This is why Clorinde is my favorite Electro 5*, as a OG Fischl main Clorinde works with everyone which means i can run my schizo Cyno-style quickbloom team for Fischl to slay single target bosses on one side, and whatever side is more AoE just put Clorinde and friends on it
very happy to finally have clorinde, she's been a lot of fun. I originally skipped her and kinda sorta regretted it but also not really. clorinde was originally my most wanted fontaine character, mainly because she looks like a bloodborne character, her kit is bound to be cool. fast forward to 4.6, arlecchino has the most edgy animations in the game. and I like edgy things. then clorinde's kit (not animations) were revealed to use more gun than sword (was hoping for the opposite, genshin at that point didn't have any projectile NAs that felt good), I ended up going for arlecchino. however, clorinde's animations ended up being a lot cooler than I anticipated from her mainly using her gun, and I really liked her playstyle. still, I got arlecchino and I was happy with her. I wanted to save for natlan characters, so I skipped clorinde. like I said, regretted it because I had to wait for clorinde, but also not really because I got arlecchino.
i got her. and i do think Normal Attack Spam characters especially with high speed like CLorinde will eventuallty get the limelight in the future. especially when she is electro, superconduct is bufffed and prepared for the next step which is centered on Attack Speed, Additive Damage and emphasis on the Normal Attack String combos and also the most awaited revival of the Physical Element (hope cope on this lmao.).
the clorinde quick burn is really fun especially against the plant that everyone and their mothers complain about(crying that you need natlan units when elemental application is just as fine).
people vastly overestimate spreadsheet damage in this game; for some reason a lot of the playerbase hasn't figured out that 50% more damage often means you'll clear in 32 seconds rather than 35, lol a few days ago some guy in zajef's comment section decided to argue with me on how good clorinde was compared to mauika, saying it wasn't fair to compare his clear times to mine on the current abyss because his mauika is c2r1, but it turns out his clears were only 3-5s faster than my c0r0 clorinde (both of us being around 30-40s)
Spreadsheet damage also assumes specific artifact layouts, team comps, scenarios, and VERY specific rotations which are not feasible for most gameplay. Like it’s very much an “in a vacuum” type of data. It’s nice when the planets align, however, it often doesn’t meet reality.
I'm just gonna say muavika at c2r1 can 1 cycle almost any content. - making tha last con have no impact. 50% more damage does not mean 3s faster, It's actually around 10s - 8s faster.
@ have fun trying to 1 cycle a boss with a 10s invulnerability after spending your burst on the 1st wave of mobs or trying to 1 cycle anything with a shield or any chamber where the enemies spawn away from each other... 50% more damage only reduces 2-3 seconds because your animations won't be any faster. for example: an arlechino that kill enemies in 3 NAs vs an arlechino that kills enemies in 6 NAs is only saving the time it takes for 3 NAs. even if you want to skip your bennet burst or something, that's still less than 5s off your rotation
did you mean 40s for just one half? well the real question is, why are you comparing yours with a random commenter's and not someone who can get the best results? maybe they are skill issued and their own clorinde would play out much worse their mavuika. c0 mavuika can speedrun this abyss under 50s meanwhile c0 clorinde can't even do that under 80s. that's the minimum of 30s difference with let's say 10s+ per half. clorinde herself needs c2 to catch up to a c0 mavuika let alone c2r1.
I'm surprised you didn't mention how good her c1 is against elemental shields. The Iniquitous Baptist shields felt like nothing when it was on floor 12
My favourite Clorinde team is with Furina, Jean, and Ororon. I find this electro-charge team comfier than any Clorinde teams. Furina buffs the team and applies hydro, Ororon provides Cinder City and his own electro charge nuance, Jean Heals and provides the VV set buff, and Clorinde can literally add more Fanfare stacks because of the heals while dealing damage. Everything literally lines up. I don't know how much worse it is against Aggravate and Overload. But it can't be that bad. Also I hated the rotations of Aggravate... I tried it with the No sustain team with Kazuha, Nahida and Fischl. It just felt awful those 3 just keeps dying. I guess I can slot in Xilonen for the healing but she's on my Mavuika team.
Now i think that Lan Yan is better than Jean in this team since you get IR too, but i don't know if TTDS can compete with the lost Furina fanfare since i don't have this problem as my Furina is C2
@lucasayabe I doubt it. Furina's Fanfare buffs everyone on the team. So Jean helping out on generating her fanfare stacks might be better than Lanyan using TTDS only for Clorinde. Plus I have C3 Jean so more healing and Damage with her burst plus her c2 provides 15% Atk Speed. Although, I don't know how much atk. spd would matter but hey, it's there. I don't have the math lol. I feel like with this team, It's less punishing even if Clorinde gets interrupted. With all the Off field Damage Furina and Ororon provides.
@OlBlO2l2lllZ if it was Fischil i think that Furina fanfare would matter more, but with Ororon i see that its more worthy to focus on Clorinde personal damage, this is why Lan Yan is goated for Clorinde EC. Another option is use proto amber on her to fully charge Furina, this gives Clorinde IR which is a higher damage increase in pratice despite being lower in spreadsheet. But i can't do the tests so i think the best is have fun
@@lucasayabe I don't know, I feel like getting hit Once per rotation against a boss isn't that big of a deal unless you're a speedrunner. Which I'm not. Clorinde has such a great mobility that If I got hit with her I just blame it on my ping. lol For context I'm playing with 50+ms. 🤣 The more I think about it the more I realise I don't like playing Shielders anymore... The only shielder in my main teams is literally Citlali. I don't even use her for her shield. 😂 Just her buffs and Cryo application. Apparently C6 Ororon is ahead of C6 Fischl in this specific Electro-Charge/ AOE team. C6 Fischl is better with the Aggravate team. A team that I don't like playing, like I mentioned in my original comment.
@OlBlO2l2lllZ it feel like ass for me, it takes so much time to start firing again, if is to get a damage loss, i rather dodge, but either option make the rotation feel incomplete, playing with a shielder makes the things a lot smoother, since you can try to get 5 full lunges and cleanse all the BoL in the rotation. Ororon isn't way ahead because he buffs a lot but lacks damage, he's better, but its just if you consider AoE scenarios otherwise they're pretty similar
TF has worked well for me up until now, but I was pretty much leaning on it because I had some pieces already and honestly I just didn't want to farm the nightmare Domain to get bond pieces. And to be fair, I also was using Chevreuse's skill wrong because I'm an idiot. Now however, after her weapon came back which I've been waiting on, I looked through the team options I have to see what could be picked up and improved, and obviously upgrading her artifacts was my number one priority. It doesn't make sense anymore to use her with a pretty good set, when so much in her kit already rewards just doing anything with Bond of Life in play. EDIT: Dehya mention
I mean she is obviously top 5 dps. In my opinion she has more value than a c0 mavuika pull as mavuika will need xilonen,citlali to be as good as media shows but clorinde is not 'THE' most valuable dps. neuvillette keeps his crown as the most valuable dps being able to shine without any single buffer. Building him is easy cz of artifact 4 piece cr, his domain is suuuuuper efficient considering furina defines the meta, he is superb self sustainable. Even if u don't have any good supports, cinder city kachina and two other elements can just give his A1 stacks and he can demolish everything. His ceiling has never been too high but bro will dlt everything with the lowest investment also sparing bennett for the 2nd team
@ bro thinks he onto something when even raiden most used team literally doesnt even have electro teammates, sara is a meh character without c6, her buffs are not enough to just replace even the 1.0 characters, bennett casually can give a c5 sara with 5* weapon worth of buff while having only c1 and a 4* craftable weapon, sara at c2 sure becomes easy to use but thats it, using fischl with a aggravate team would give you a better total damage compared to a non c6 sara team
Around 6:36, you mention how Light of Foliar Incision could work well if Nahida is on the team. I am not 100% sure, but I thought %-based EM buffs do not affect passives scaling on EM. For example, I was told Nahida's EM buff or Sucrose A4 doesn't affect Staff of Scarlet Sands, but something like 4pc Instructor or Sucrose A1 does. Not sure if Light of Foliar Incision would work differently though.
People underestimate how easy and comfortable Clorinde is too use compared to other electro main DPS, her self heal is nothing to scoff at, and she is very easy to position for a dodge+counterattack
I guess your suggestion of Kirara was based on how much easier she is to acquire of than Nahida? Because the 3.8s cooldown on the coordinated attack is a hair shy of Nahida's Tap cooldown and Nahida's buffs get insane the more cons you have... In Burst c0 25% of the top EM on the team up to 250 to active char In burst c2 shreds 30% Armor I mention it because I have a c6 nahida (I skipped a lot of banners for that) and I can only hope she's better than a c6 Kirara...
She can be used in chevy overload or ororon tazer teams that sets her far apart from typical electro dps like keqing/ cyno. Tge thing is i dont really use electro dps much, the reason why my cyno c1,raiden and keqing are benched. I prefer elctro sub-dps over dps which is both comfy and fun seeing those numbers flying around. But imma try getting clorinde this time cuz i liked her character and playstyle.
I got C2R1 clorinde as well as C2R1 Mavuika. I assume the best team with them is Clorinde, Mavuika, Sara C6 and Chevy C6. Would you play Fischl instead of Sara?
Madam Button-Popper has been one of my best characters since I got her on her first run (C0R1), and I picked up her C1 in her current banner (I tried for C2 but ended up with Diluc :/) I typically use her with Thoma, Chevy, and Raiden (I just don't like Fischl, she's overrated) in Overload, but I have used her in aggravate occasionally.
I was always of the opinion that what electro lacks in terms of power is made up with versatility. Since I started playing in 2.1 and got Raiden there was never an abyss where she or Clorinde got hard countered on both sides. It also helps that you can throw any characters into the party with them and it works just fine, that's the upside of not being reaction reliant
Yes she should be highlighted more often. You can also build her a bit more for damage after C2 thanks to the DMG absorption repair NA trigger. I personally run her with Nahida and Fischl.
I'm running her with fiscal with the stringles she's has golden trope Lan Yan with vv and atlas for attack stacking and collie with noblesse and gav bow for extra er because I don't have instructor. I will replace collie for nhinda in the future because then I can use tales to buff clorinde and nhinda then can use the denro set because her damage it more better than collie. Because I use fiscal skill Lan Yan skill then collie skill on then clorinde spam.😮 I do want a someone better than collie. I have C5 chev but I can't because I need mav and Bennett is taken by my other team.
what you guys think about chlorinde and keqing being useable? i have keqing kind of invested, while might pulling for chlorinde, but im not sure on whether chlorinde and keqing can be played in an abyss seperately(e.g. keqing only aggravate while chlorinde only overload). or is it just chlorinde power creeping keqing entirely?
personally, i think she suffers the same problem as raiden and alhaithan, people hate drivers, her not being a one man show like neuvi/mavuika/arle or even kinich/navia alters people perception of her to be way lower than she deserves if her ult and e dash was a single shot instead of many hits(with no icd), people's perception of her would be way higher, her ult is hiting effortlesly 200-300k/cast while having space for 2 sub dps and a buffer on most teams, but since it's in chopped up hits and a big part of her team dmg is from the aformentioned subdps, it doesnt look as impressive as navia or kinich hiting 200-400k hits even tho they have pretty much the same team dps levels altho i gotta admit, c0r0 she felt a bit underwhelming, it always felt lik sh was missing a tiny bit of dmg to feel truly satisfying, so i got her c1r1 and now she is competing really well with the top dogs on my account like c1r1 neuvi with his premiun team and furina c2 and mavuika c0r1 with her premiun team, while taking way less ressources i kinda love heer for the same reason i love raiden, any nw sub dps or support will be a potential new teamate for her and there is very fw ways at last on of her teams cant deal with any given floor or bs hoyo throws at you
My new go to creator. Too many people doggin on Clorinde I have her built her and play her in her best team and she slaps. Thank you for saying drop the TF set, it's funny how all the people who say she does no damage all use that set. Just throwing away 20% of your damage. We also need a strong 5 star electro to replace the Fischl spot because Yae was a big let down.
Been pulling like a madman to get some more Chev cons. Got Clorinde's C1 along the way and Chev is C3 now. Personally I've had more luck with QB setups... mostly because I have a c2 Nahida and C2 Furina though.
yeah, at C2 supports investiment, i think her quickbloom teams became better than her aggravate teams, because now the sub-dps goes up by a lot, and the buffs are much higher too. I already had C2 Nahida and Furina at Clorinde launch, so playing quickbloom was always her best team on my account, but now that is begining to change with C2 Mavuika, her overload teams became insane
What’s better for calamity of eshu chlorinde?? Nahida + lan yan ttds/r5 hakushin or Kazuha + Kiara c4 sapwood Also what is nahida’s er requirements with: fishl, chlorinde, Kazuha/xilonen etc
I got chlorinde by accident on her first banner i liked the idea of her gameplay but when playing on high ping its a disaster with gaining and using BOL, so i was very very disappointed by her I also a Keqing main so i would not take her team and use it on another electro character so fischl was not avilable on chlorinde teams I only have C0 chevy and c0 thoma and i did build them to try make an overload team but i did not like it (i usually like chevy in pyro dps overload teams) I have c0 kirara and leveled her for chlorinde but it seems her shield dont last enough in a non healer team I gave up on chlorinde many times and gave her good pieces to arlecchino instead but my account refuses to leave her alone in fact just yesterday i got her a new double crit electro goblet and today i got her weapon when i wanted arlecchino spear so please i need to have a really good team to play at a high ping without me hating my self playing her
Getting fischl from c0 to c6 is more damage increase than getting c1 clorinde or c2 nahida in aggravate teams and my fischl is stuck at c0 which i bought from store. Without c6 fischl raiden feels much better to play than clorinde' aggravate teams.
Hey Flip, I'm currently running Clorinde C1 on Shimenawa's as I don't have good whimsy sets yet, and I've found it quite easy to manage energy requirements even with no ER and bursting at the end of her skill. I was wondering how this set compares to whimsy, echoes, and gladiator? Thanks!
Don't quote me, but I believe it was determined that Shimenawa's doesn't affect her stance damage because it's classified as skill damage. I know when she first released there was a reason why everyone dismissed Shimenawa's as an option, and I can't imagine it's the energy because what you described is exactly how I play Hu Tao.
@azuarc oh no it definitely works. Clorinde's skill counts as normal attack damage, even the lunge, which is why calamity of Eshu works so well on her. The reason I imagine people don't use Shimenawa is because her burst doesn't benefit from the damage buff, but I'm not even sure if that's the reason because gladiator also can't buff the burst
@@aishaali9771 the sole reason why ppl choose not to use shimenawa is because its drain 15 energy every elemental skill use. Clorinde is not elemental burst oriented, but it give contribute nice of dmg and can be opener on rotation for easy 1 stack A4 passive (Maybe can still be used, but energy became more tight). Meanwhile gladi doesnt buff burst either, but it doenst have drawback (IMO)
I have c2 clorinde@FOD r5, do I really need to get her atk to 3000 to maximise her c2(a1 passive)? It is hard to achieve 3000 atk with low base atk weapon😭
So given her base crit rate and passive, around 70-80% should be the cap when building her Crit Rate, correct? What would be the lowest Crit Rate you would recommend reaching? I’ve been using Black Sword mostly, and I want to use Calamity of Eshu now that I have Lan Yan. However, my Crit Rate becomes 33% with Eshu equipped.
Mine sits at 79%, which means she hits (almost) 100 with passives. I forget what my CD is, maybe 180?, but it's a respectable balance. Just add 20 to your crit rate and seek a standard 1:2.
She is an OK unit imo, not necessarily game breaking or anything. Just enough to be competetively viable in clearing an increasingly difficulty content the game throw at us. Tho I dislike the use of "Not requiring Bennett" argument. It is no different than one another when almost all of her team is tied to having Fischl. Fischl C6 contributes to about 20% of the total team damage in Overload team, and about 40% in aggrevate. So it'd be disingenuous to say Fischl isn't all that impactful. If you use non-C6 Fischl, the entire damage of aggrevate variant will lose about 20% damage per rotation. I don't think there is any other electro character that lose out on this much damage simply for not having one of their teammate be at certain constellation level. And let's be honest here, getting C6 on a 4-star character is harder than getting a copy of 5-star character or their signature weapon.. So try not to be biased in this aspect because not everyone do have C6 Fischl readily available, especially if they are new to the game. Also mechanically speaking, being unable to buffer her E press can be somewhat of a let down.
He's not lying in his title guys, he must be talking about Fischl...
In all seriousness, I do feel like there is a bias with TCs towards Hydro and Pryo units getting hyped over Electro units and I can somewhat empathize with it if you're looking at raw numbers but it just leaves so much out context in those discussions. I'm glad that you covered the fact that she is able to be paired with some of the most powerful off-field damage dealers, not requiring Bennett in any of her best teams, having *multiple* team archetypes that are all relatively competitive with each other and the flexibility of not requiring a grouper or healer. Your overview covers what so many Clorinde (and Fischl) glazers have been saying for months.
Barring an Abyss floor where you're up against heavily Electro-resistant enemies (Thundering Manifestation maybe?) it's probably easier to find a team to play Clorinde on that floor than it is with any other on-field damage dealer in the game.
- Flying robochicken? Good news, her best teammate is Fischl and can knock it out of the air.
- Nightsoul mechanic? Who gives a shit, Fischl + Clorinde with any other element shreds the elemental shields on it. Worst case scenario you slot in Ororon, Xilonen or Mavuika in her team and have a cozy clear.
- Enemy has an inherent elemental aura and you can't swirl it? Chevreuse + Clorinde.
- Lots of enemies on field and you *do* want to swirl them? Aggravate with Kazuha.
- Hydro enemies or enemies with a Hydro shield? Aggravate turns into a Quickbloom team with FREE damage!
- Those annoying Centaur Statue dudes with a ton of Geo shields? Good news, Overload deals extra damage to them so go Chevreuse.
- Fatso dendro chicken with the exploding fruits taking a long time to kill? Good news: Chevreuse Overload again!
Genuinely, I don't think that other carries have this much variety in terms of answers to common foes you face in the Abyss and that's why Clorinde is so valuable to me.
You can for sure use Pyro characters like Arlecchino instead but playing her without the pyro shota from Mondstadt feels like playing Yoimiya in 2025
It can be argued that all of it also applies for Arlecchino. Plus better raw numbers and much flexible rotation since her pyro application doesn't expire when switched out.
So, including every single points you mentioned, Arle also has an advantage against annoying underground bosses who show up only for a while.
I'm thinking of getting Chlorinde too since I accidentally got R2 Absolution and C2 Nahida. Reading your comment made me wanna pull her too ngl. But after thinking for a while, Arle does all those things plus more so I'm back to square one on whether to pull her or not.
Edit: oh yeah, and I have high ping so her optimal rotations never work for me.
@@licarsmeth6890wouldn’t chlorinde have a better advantage against hidey enimes like wenut because she usually isn’t circle impact and she can move really quick?? And short dps windows
@@licarsmeth6890 more or less, i do think that Arlecchino has higher pull value than Clorinde, but is just because her current best team is a whole new level of damage, melt teams are insane, probably the ceilling of the game if they don't introduce a new mechanic or reactions with higher multiplier.
But Clorinde could keep up just fine with Arlecchino before even though she was obviously weaker.
For a comparasion:
- Flying Chicken, yeah, at least she has Yelan
- Pappilla? Unlike Clorinde, Arlecchino can't deal with Pappilla without going out of your way to slot a second sub-dps (like double hydro), but to be honest she has one real team that can deal with Papilla, that is Emily burning, but this combo makes anyone can deal with Papilla, so its not quite like Clorinde that it seens like she was designed to deal with those types of enemies;
- Inherent elemental aura, it depends, if is Tulpa, Arlecchino is having her best day, for other cases (like the pyro balls of Natlan), you can run Xilonen or Chevrouse, but Clorinde overload teams are stronger and more sinergistic than Arlecchino
- AoE, yeah, they are pretty much the same, but in this case Arlecchino is locked to circle impact (since if you are using Kazuha is either mono pyro or VV Vape)
- Hydro enemies? Arlecchino easely wins this since its free vapes, and you can bring Xiangling for absolutely bully Tulpa
- Geo shields? Yeah, you have overload, but in both cases, you can easely slot Zhongli either in aggravate or mono pyro/vape teams
So its more or less the same, but i think that the point of Clorinde being better against unfavorable matches its true. Arlecchino was a lot worse against the Natlan pyro balls, because she does the majority of the damage of the team, but Clorinde would not have this problem, at least not that bad, for exemple, Thundering Manifestation (and other electro enemies like the cube or slimes), is easely bullied by quickbloom teams, electro shields are easely shred by dendro and pyro (her best teammates), and for electro resistant enemies (like the consacrated beast scorpion), again, her current best team is a dual carry team, so you just switch to Mavuika, or deal with it using hyperblooms in a quickbloom setup.
This is due to electro being a weaker element than pyro but being a lot more flexible by design.
So while Arlecchino is pretty flexible, she's limited to pyro archetypes (except burgeon), while Clorinde has access to all the electro archetypes (she's good even in super conduct, which makes she good even at this abyss top half when fighting Suanami), its not circle impact, and don't rely that much on contested supports.
Electro has sinergy with a lot more of archetypes than pyro, because how auras interact with electro, and good sinergy with dendro, so even in rainbow scenarios, probably you can find a Clorinde team that works.
I think the greatest demonstration of Clorinde was last abyss, where pyro was being countered to favor Furina (despite being a Neuvillette abyss). She could be really good on first half due to her wheelchair or electro charged teams (which had Furina to deal with any hydro required content, and Xilonen for the Wolflord), and eveen if the pyro balls were electro balls, the team would still perform well due to Furina and Chiori sub-dps.
And her best use case was the second half, where Arlecchino would feel ass too, since or you need to bring another sub-dps like double hydro or fischil (when Arlecchino prefers a buffer) to deal with Pappila or you won't even reach the robot chicken. While most of Clorinde teams could walk like a breeze there (oh, and Primo vishap was electro resistant, but Clorinde teams could deal as fine with him).
So even though Arlecchino is flexible and has higher damage, Clorinde is balanced to be more flexible and do lower damage, but this is always the trade-off between pyro and electro teams anyway, so i don't think its a entirely true that Arlecchino is just better.
@@licarsmeth6890 The only thing Chlorinde has over Arle is the application. For example Chlorinde+Fischl can break the entire Void shield of the Abyssal enemies in one skill duration, while Arle absolutely needs Fischl C6 and still take a rotation and half.
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I was a bit underwhelmed when I first got Clorinde, but after getting c6 Chev I am totally loving her teams. While her teams may not be the highest performing, the freedom of not having to use Bennett, Nahida, Xilonen, Kazuha or Furina feels amazing.
Ah yes, 'The freedom of not having to use any of the other characters I spent thousands of primogems on' 😂
he means the freedom of not being forced to pull limited characters just to enable my favorite character @@henshj9874
@@henshj9874 Well, I am more referring the freedom of being able to use any of my other dps's best teams on the other side of the abyss haha. Having support unit overlap is such an awful feeling at times.
@@henshj9874 Her best teams uses all the characters she listed except for Bennett. The best part is they all have a 4* alternative that can be just as good with slight alterations. No Nahida -> go Kirara and just use Eshu; No Xilo/Kazu -> Go Sucrose+TTDS; No Furina -> go Yelan (although c0 Furina isn't really good on Clorinde).
@@ryanspinoza6586Ah yes my favorite 4* character, yelan
Just started the video, let's see how long it takes for Fischl to be glazed
Edit: Only took 4 minutes
no mention of the skyward blade qiqi team 💔
Let it go bro
i'm happy that even super conduct Clorinde somewhat became a viable team, since you can run a Furina + Xilonen + Citlali team, and have shield, a lot of buffs, and Citlali triggering some full EM super conducts
"My body is a machine that exists to proc Ficshl A4" - Chlorine, probably.
Bro😭
true und real
No, that's Keqing. Clorinde doesn't proc Fischl's A4 as much and still deals more damage.
As someone said correctly, Kequing yes. But Clorinde can do so much just beeing herself.
dont forget c6 aswell
My favourite fischl support 🙏💜
Fischl A4 and C6 trigger
Don't need her. At all.
@@chaosinfernoid9008 you must be playing raiden and your schizophrenia is making you see her as clorinde
@@chaosinfernoid9008yeah fischl doesn’t need clorinde we all know that
2:46 NOWAY WINDY PLANT💀
HOW DO YOU FIND THESE LITTLE NITPICKS
@ bro swirled air and thought we wouldn’t notice 💀😭🙏
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Good video, I just got her C1 and Chevy to C6 and have been having a blast with their upgrades.
I was surprised by how well she aged play-wise in my account. I usually play the same teams I end enjoying lots despite having a bunch of dpses, and she has grown as such a versatile one that I see myself picking almost every abyss cycle because of it. Her teams barely get countered given how many elements and reactions she can synergise with and the fact of her self sustain allows for even more variety when picking up her off fielders. I'm overall not a fan of the BoL mechanic of Arle but Clorinde's felt so seamlesly good besides her cool style and character, I'm genuinely happy I picked her up last year.
As for my favorite team, I enjoy running a hyperburgeon Clorinde and how random bs goes pewpew is very fun, which also capitalizes on Thoma overload/burgeon's build. Maybe I'll try to pick up her C2 someday to reduce more her staggering and get extra damage, for now I'll focus trying to get her a better Whimsy set, mine is so bad compared to my TF but at least I have nothing else to farm for now and can waste resin there haha.
what's you weapon?
@@mohammedalamer4456 Mistsplitter R1
THANK YOU for mentioning Echoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As someone who does have a good ping (under 70) so it can work properly all i can say, and truly i mean this as a HUGE compliment, Is that i was never properly happy clearing F12 with Clorinde until after seeing it completely destroy in Speedruns (note: i am not a speedrunner or math guy) and than trying it out for myself and seeing Clorinde as a true abyss goddess (even if out of top 3 meta yadayada) rather than a AoE electro sword Yoimiya with Hu Tao style to-and-fro playstyle, which i liked but never felt good or dramatic enough. Admittedly me having R1 for her does help since it offsets not using Whimsy or Glad, and it may be key to letting Echoes shine (that or her C2, my Clorindes C0 though)
Its too damn good, and with good ping and high crit rate, easy on Clorinde, its too damn fun, its for me not just the best results i've ever gotten out of her the bit of RNG with it adds just that bit of Drama i guess i craved with her. I LOVE IT PLEASE BUILD YOU CLORINDES ECHOES IF YOU CAN FAM!
I've been using Clorinde for a long time since her release, including abyss and she does a lot of work there. I've basically done a lot of teams with her (Quickbloom, Quickburn, Quicken, Quickconduct, Overload, Overvape, so on) and they all are pretty nice. My favorite is Quickconduct using Diona C6 Nahida C2 Fischl C6 just stuffing Clorinde with EM buffs, her equipping Skyward Blade having more numbers on the screen, ER stat from it as well, increased ATK SPD, and the funny 20% bonus ATK to go along the whole thing for more numbers on my screen enough to ruin UA-cam bitrate.
"Put the thundering fury down."
Me with really good TF artifacts for my Clorinde: no, I don't think I will (mainly because i don't like artifact grinding)
Lol fair enough
Tf is like 84% damage of whimsy and that's only if you can do the correct extended roatation with Fischl, the TC's were giivng bad advice reccomending it.
@@puma21puma21ehh idk it makes her feel more flexible, closer to playing like keqing rather than hutao if you get what i mean
People still sleep on her.
Most balanced character in the game, objectively.
best fischl driver = most valuable dps is pretty sound logic thank you mr flip
4:38 "Put the Thundering Fury set down"
Honestly I couldnt have said it better myself, when Clorinde first released I simply switched my TF from Keqing to her and while the comfort was nice to have overall she felt quite underwhelming, however when I got to play her on a friends account with 4p Whimsy, she felt so much better to play and it felt like she was actually doing dmg.
So naturally Ive been farming Whimsy for the past 3 months and finally got a good 4p last week and honestly ill never look back, Whimsy is such an upgrade over TF.
On top of that with the recent rerun I was finally able to pick up c6 chevreuse and c3 Clorinde and her overload teams feel amazing and honestly feel way better than her aggravate teams. Personally I like Clorinde, XL, Fischl, Chevreuse simply because No c6 sara sadge.
Also thank you for highlighting Quickburn Clorinde, its been an absolute blast for me to play and other people just dont seem to recognize it for how good it is.
TF still has a niche use case if you pair Baizhu with Clorinde. Baizhu has a 20s burst CD so he prefers extended rotation which requires TF. Otherwise Whimsy is always better.
Thank you for the video! Found you from some of the genshin courts but I've def grown to love your guides and other videos on genshin! Can't wait to get Clorinde and this video is going to be so helpful for building her! [Holy,, a weapon ranking TYSM]
For artifact mainstats, I think you meant to say Crit DMG circlet cause Clorinde starts with like 40%+ crit rate.
I MISSPOKE YES. I even mention in the weapon section how crit rate subs can mess her up 😭
(looks at good electro character)
(lifts up the mask)
(Fischl Driver)
I pulled clorinde last night after a 12 pity arle weapon and a few months ago i pulled nahida, but since i dont have baizhu my cyno isnt as good as he could be so now i finally have someone optimal to use with nahida
Great overview. I never noticed how well Clorinde works as a second team in almost every abyss scenario, even though I used her all the time when I didn't know what else I could play, that isn't standard Neuvillette, Arlecchino, you name them teams. The quickburn team is also so fun and easy to pilot. It's really slept on, probably because it needs relatively high investment on multiple characters (overall "issue" in aggravate) and utilizes characters that a lot of people aren't fond of like Emilie and... Fischl... when people think 5 star means good and she gets compared to Yae.
i got her c2 on first run, and signature on second run. i can barely play her without big dong zhong especially on mobile but i love clorinde so much 🙃
You should try investing in Lan Yan then actually, with C2 she’s better Defensively than Zhongli while providing better buffs through vv and Hakushin ring
How can you barely play her when she's fast and you have interruption resistance increase because of c2 I'm sorry to say but if you really can't that's a bit of a skill issue (I'm not trying to be that oh you fucking suck massive skill issue but you have a little skill issue then) but I also have skill issue probably I just use daddy zhong because I'm lazy to dodge
@@UnknowinglyRL clorinde is ass to play on mobile
@@UnknowinglyRL im also mobile and dont have zhongli, shes usable without a shield but its kinda hard. i use c6 kira instead of nahida, and she still does alot of dmg (not as much as nahida) but still comporable since theres no atk interruption
@@ischl420 I just don't get how people be struggling but ig it's all skill difference or something
I love her design, and I love how flexible her teams are. I've been using her in aggravate, mono electro, electro-charged, hyperbloom, and overload teams. She's really fun to use
Tyy. So many ppl been dogging on her. I think she is op
My heart belongs to the Narukami Ogosho. I'll still watch the vid, though
Narukami powercrept 😔
@kim-xo
To be quite honest, I don't really care about power creeping in a majorly PvE game. She can still kick ass and I *did* use her in the first half of the abyss, this rotation. C2R1, yes but she's reasonable
@ The only thing raiden can do in 2025 is eat ass not kick ass 😔
@ "C2 R1" please just stop replying 😔
@@kim-xo
I love Raiden so I'm making her work. Easy as that
Youve convinced me on whimsy. I want her to be hypercarry and not bs dendro. I want to build her with a normal attack team too.
Finally, an actual proper video on Chlorinde and not incorrect slander like “The best mid character” from a certain person
You mean captain dork who likes Arlecchino, who has a somewhat similar play style but thinks Clorinde is a mid?
@ yes, the Court Flip made on Agenda77 is timeless and aging like wine
@@thechazz8080Zajeff just don't like how Clorinde can't dodge or swap
sniff sniff
Ah yes Copium
you know both videos can be right? this video is more objective with its info and doesn't put much personal opinion in, while zajeffs has more personal opinions mixed with on screen clacs to verify some of the things he's saying. just a difference in video styles but both provide useful information on the character which should be the main takeaway. clorinde doesn't have to be a SSSS tier top meta pick to be called good, and i have not heard jeff nor anyone else call her bad either. nothing wrong with just being above average.
I was wishing for lan yan and accidentally got clorinde twice, so I used her in the abyss today and cleared. She turned out to be really good at shredding the shield on the meme flower, which was a big help because I don't like the natlan characters.
I used hu tao plunge on first side. Normally I would have had to try second side with alhaitham but so far clorinde is a little easier for me to pilot than alhaitham and it was helpful for me to switch to overload for that cryo shield thing on 12 2.
I already had Haran and some janky Gladiator scraps laying around, so the building was quick. All in all I think I could have 36 starred this abyss without her but it would have been much more of a struggle. But now that I have her I think I'm very well placed to keep 36 starring in most situations. Cause I can run hu tao or navia (they are both currently tied to furina, my bennett/xiangling are not super well built and I don't like yelan), and now clorinde can be either a sidegrade to alhaitham, or just switch to overload and then I can still have dendros free for the other side.
I was hitting my head against the meme flower coming up like one second too long until I switched out kazuha for lan yan and the shield made the difference that helped me clear. Because the flower's forms were really aggressive this time and with kazuha I kept getting hit or having to waste time dodging during clorinde's skill. So also this abyss was a lan yan W for me already.
Great. I love Emilie and always looking for new teams for her. Pairing her with Clorinde will be a lot of fun!
He finally speaks, a guide for the best sub-DPS for Fischl
the most notable part of bol is that finale of the deep gives you one 🙏
If you do not have C6 Fischl, do not sleep on Kuki as the other electro pairing on the Chev overload. The double heals makes the team impossible to kill. Kuki’s burst also helps shred the papilla shields. Zero energy requirements, and you don’t have to worry about managing Oz.
6:55 This is why Clorinde is my favorite Electro 5*, as a OG Fischl main Clorinde works with everyone which means i can run my schizo Cyno-style quickbloom team for Fischl to slay single target bosses on one side, and whatever side is more AoE just put Clorinde and friends on it
very happy to finally have clorinde, she's been a lot of fun. I originally skipped her and kinda sorta regretted it but also not really.
clorinde was originally my most wanted fontaine character, mainly because she looks like a bloodborne character, her kit is bound to be cool.
fast forward to 4.6, arlecchino has the most edgy animations in the game. and I like edgy things. then clorinde's kit (not animations) were revealed to use more gun than sword (was hoping for the opposite, genshin at that point didn't have any projectile NAs that felt good), I ended up going for arlecchino.
however, clorinde's animations ended up being a lot cooler than I anticipated from her mainly using her gun, and I really liked her playstyle. still, I got arlecchino and I was happy with her. I wanted to save for natlan characters, so I skipped clorinde.
like I said, regretted it because I had to wait for clorinde, but also not really because I got arlecchino.
Happy arlecchino owner here, and i still went for clorinde this patch. Both BoLadies are awesome
Fischl driver be goin crazy bro
My beloved Fischl's driver
i got her. and i do think Normal Attack Spam characters especially with high speed like CLorinde will eventuallty get the limelight in the future.
especially when she is electro, superconduct is bufffed and prepared for the next step which is centered on Attack Speed, Additive Damage and emphasis on the Normal Attack String combos and also the most awaited revival of the Physical Element (hope cope on this lmao.).
the clorinde quick burn is really fun especially against the plant that everyone and their mothers complain about(crying that you need natlan units when elemental application is just as fine).
people vastly overestimate spreadsheet damage in this game; for some reason a lot of the playerbase hasn't figured out that 50% more damage often means you'll clear in 32 seconds rather than 35, lol
a few days ago some guy in zajef's comment section decided to argue with me on how good clorinde was compared to mauika, saying it wasn't fair to compare his clear times to mine on the current abyss because his mauika is c2r1, but it turns out his clears were only 3-5s faster than my c0r0 clorinde (both of us being around 30-40s)
Spreadsheet damage also assumes specific artifact layouts, team comps, scenarios, and VERY specific rotations which are not feasible for most gameplay. Like it’s very much an “in a vacuum” type of data. It’s nice when the planets align, however, it often doesn’t meet reality.
I'm just gonna say muavika at c2r1 can 1 cycle almost any content. - making tha last con have no impact.
50% more damage does not mean 3s faster, It's actually around 10s - 8s faster.
@ have fun trying to 1 cycle a boss with a 10s invulnerability after spending your burst on the 1st wave of mobs
or trying to 1 cycle anything with a shield
or any chamber where the enemies spawn away from each other...
50% more damage only reduces 2-3 seconds because your animations won't be any faster. for example: an arlechino that kill enemies in 3 NAs vs an arlechino that kills enemies in 6 NAs is only saving the time it takes for 3 NAs. even if you want to skip your bennet burst or something, that's still less than 5s off your rotation
did you mean 40s for just one half? well the real question is, why are you comparing yours with a random commenter's and not someone who can get the best results? maybe they are skill issued and their own clorinde would play out much worse their mavuika. c0 mavuika can speedrun this abyss under 50s meanwhile c0 clorinde can't even do that under 80s. that's the minimum of 30s difference with let's say 10s+ per half. clorinde herself needs c2 to catch up to a c0 mavuika let alone c2r1.
I'm surprised you didn't mention how good her c1 is against elemental shields. The Iniquitous Baptist shields felt like nothing when it was on floor 12
My favourite Clorinde team is with Furina, Jean, and Ororon.
I find this electro-charge team comfier than any Clorinde teams. Furina buffs the team and applies hydro, Ororon provides Cinder City and his own electro charge nuance, Jean Heals and provides the VV set buff, and Clorinde can literally add more Fanfare stacks because of the heals while dealing damage. Everything literally lines up.
I don't know how much worse it is against Aggravate and Overload. But it can't be that bad. Also I hated the rotations of Aggravate... I tried it with the No sustain team with Kazuha, Nahida and Fischl. It just felt awful those 3 just keeps dying. I guess I can slot in Xilonen for the healing but she's on my Mavuika team.
Now i think that Lan Yan is better than Jean in this team since you get IR too, but i don't know if TTDS can compete with the lost Furina fanfare since i don't have this problem as my Furina is C2
@lucasayabe I doubt it. Furina's Fanfare buffs everyone on the team. So Jean helping out on generating her fanfare stacks might be better than Lanyan using TTDS only for Clorinde. Plus I have C3 Jean so more healing and Damage with her burst plus her c2 provides 15% Atk Speed. Although, I don't know how much atk. spd would matter but hey, it's there. I don't have the math lol.
I feel like with this team, It's less punishing even if Clorinde gets interrupted. With all the Off field Damage Furina and Ororon provides.
@OlBlO2l2lllZ if it was Fischil i think that Furina fanfare would matter more, but with Ororon i see that its more worthy to focus on Clorinde personal damage, this is why Lan Yan is goated for Clorinde EC.
Another option is use proto amber on her to fully charge Furina, this gives Clorinde IR which is a higher damage increase in pratice despite being lower in spreadsheet.
But i can't do the tests so i think the best is have fun
@@lucasayabe I don't know, I feel like getting hit Once per rotation against a boss isn't that big of a deal unless you're a speedrunner. Which I'm not. Clorinde has such a great mobility that If I got hit with her I just blame it on my ping. lol For context I'm playing with 50+ms. 🤣 The more I think about it the more I realise I don't like playing Shielders anymore... The only shielder in my main teams is literally Citlali. I don't even use her for her shield. 😂 Just her buffs and Cryo application.
Apparently C6 Ororon is ahead of C6 Fischl in this specific Electro-Charge/ AOE team. C6 Fischl is better with the Aggravate team. A team that I don't like playing, like I mentioned in my original comment.
@OlBlO2l2lllZ it feel like ass for me, it takes so much time to start firing again, if is to get a damage loss, i rather dodge, but either option make the rotation feel incomplete, playing with a shielder makes the things a lot smoother, since you can try to get 5 full lunges and cleanse all the BoL in the rotation.
Ororon isn't way ahead because he buffs a lot but lacks damage, he's better, but its just if you consider AoE scenarios otherwise they're pretty similar
TF has worked well for me up until now, but I was pretty much leaning on it because I had some pieces already and honestly I just didn't want to farm the nightmare Domain to get bond pieces. And to be fair, I also was using Chevreuse's skill wrong because I'm an idiot.
Now however, after her weapon came back which I've been waiting on, I looked through the team options I have to see what could be picked up and improved, and obviously upgrading her artifacts was my number one priority. It doesn't make sense anymore to use her with a pretty good set, when so much in her kit already rewards just doing anything with Bond of Life in play.
EDIT: Dehya mention
I mean she is obviously top 5 dps. In my opinion she has more value than a c0 mavuika pull as mavuika will need xilonen,citlali to be as good as media shows but clorinde is not 'THE' most valuable dps. neuvillette keeps his crown as the most valuable dps being able to shine without any single buffer. Building him is easy cz of artifact 4 piece cr, his domain is suuuuuper efficient considering furina defines the meta, he is superb self sustainable. Even if u don't have any good supports, cinder city kachina and two other elements can just give his A1 stacks and he can demolish everything. His ceiling has never been too high but bro will dlt everything with the lowest investment also sparing bennett for the 2nd team
I beg everyone to try Sara with Clorinde. Undisputedly, her best buffer for personal damage, even surpassing Furina or Chevy.
She's too much effort to make work for not enough payoff. Especially if you don't have C6.
sara couldnt even be the best buffer for even for her own archon if she doesnt have c6 with high investment build
@@meliho27 LMAO tell me you don’t play the game without telling me.
@@azuarc c2 is literally enough: press E and switch.
Much effort, you probably find Fischl hard to play.
@ bro thinks he onto something when even raiden most used team literally doesnt even have electro teammates, sara is a meh character without c6, her buffs are not enough to just replace even the 1.0 characters, bennett casually can give a c5 sara with 5* weapon worth of buff while having only c1 and a 4* craftable weapon, sara at c2 sure becomes easy to use but thats it, using fischl with a aggravate team would give you a better total damage compared to a non c6 sara team
I really like an opportunity to use Yunjin and Clorindre gave it to me, not relying on Bennet it's also great
Around 6:36, you mention how Light of Foliar Incision could work well if Nahida is on the team. I am not 100% sure, but I thought %-based EM buffs do not affect passives scaling on EM. For example, I was told Nahida's EM buff or Sucrose A4 doesn't affect Staff of Scarlet Sands, but something like 4pc Instructor or Sucrose A1 does. Not sure if Light of Foliar Incision would work differently though.
I'm happy that the henlo there intro is back
People underestimate how easy and comfortable Clorinde is too use compared to other electro main DPS, her self heal is nothing to scoff at, and she is very easy to position for a dodge+counterattack
obviously she is good lol i used to clear abyss with aquila on her finally got sig this patch XD
Yoo nice
I guess your suggestion of Kirara was based on how much easier she is to acquire of than Nahida? Because the 3.8s cooldown on the coordinated attack is a hair shy of Nahida's Tap cooldown and Nahida's buffs get insane the more cons you have...
In Burst c0 25% of the top EM on the team up to 250 to active char
In burst c2 shreds 30% Armor
I mention it because I have a c6 nahida (I skipped a lot of banners for that) and I can only hope she's better than a c6 Kirara...
She can be used in chevy overload or ororon tazer teams that sets her far apart from typical electro dps like keqing/ cyno. Tge thing is i dont really use electro dps much, the reason why my cyno c1,raiden and keqing are benched. I prefer elctro sub-dps over dps which is both comfy and fun seeing those numbers flying around. But imma try getting clorinde this time cuz i liked her character and playstyle.
I got C2R1 clorinde as well as C2R1 Mavuika. I assume the best team with them is Clorinde, Mavuika, Sara C6 and Chevy C6. Would you play Fischl instead of Sara?
I would play Sara there honestly
i pulled for clorinde instead of arlecchino,, her playstyle is just too fun 😭
Not my crowned shogun clearing slower than my newly leveled clorinde
Chlorine sweeeep
My favourite character
i just beat abyss using clorinde electro charged thank u :3
wait now i need to try quickburn omg :o
The best character for EM electrocharge team Clorinde
my queen my goat my love
Madam Button-Popper has been one of my best characters since I got her on her first run (C0R1), and I picked up her C1 in her current banner (I tried for C2 but ended up with Diluc :/)
I typically use her with Thoma, Chevy, and Raiden (I just don't like Fischl, she's overrated) in Overload, but I have used her in aggravate occasionally.
Very nice guide, shes very good
I was always of the opinion that what electro lacks in terms of power is made up with versatility. Since I started playing in 2.1 and got Raiden there was never an abyss where she or Clorinde got hard countered on both sides. It also helps that you can throw any characters into the party with them and it works just fine, that's the upside of not being reaction reliant
bro why did i hear clorinde has been sleptwith many people
What about lanyan as a 4th slot? Especially c2
Vv shred, ttds, self repairing shield on NA basically ensures total uptime with clorinde playstyle.
Yes she should be highlighted more often.
You can also build her a bit more for damage after C2 thanks to the DMG absorption repair NA trigger.
I personally run her with Nahida and Fischl.
Thank you for speaking the truth 🙏
you need to stop clickbaiting with these titles man
also release the feetier list
@@CaptainMeleon THERE IS NO FEET TIER LIST
@@FliponYT wdym there is no feet tier list ? U posted it on the memebers only channel few days ago. U said xianyuns claws are sexy.
I got clorinde in 47 pulls while tryna get Chevy constellations so now I’ll find out if Florinde is overhyped or nah
Please never change your intro hello ever again please!
I'm running her with fiscal with the stringles she's has golden trope Lan Yan with vv and atlas for attack stacking and collie with noblesse and gav bow for extra er because I don't have instructor.
I will replace collie for nhinda in the future because then I can use tales to buff clorinde and nhinda then can use the denro set because her damage it more better than collie.
Because I use fiscal skill Lan Yan skill then collie skill on then clorinde spam.😮
I do want a someone better than collie.
I have C5 chev but I can't because I need mav and Bennett is taken by my other team.
what you guys think about chlorinde and keqing being useable? i have keqing kind of invested, while might pulling for chlorinde, but im not sure on whether chlorinde and keqing can be played in an abyss seperately(e.g. keqing only aggravate while chlorinde only overload). or is it just chlorinde power creeping keqing entirely?
personally, i think she suffers the same problem as raiden and alhaithan, people hate drivers, her not being a one man show like neuvi/mavuika/arle or even kinich/navia alters people perception of her to be way lower than she deserves
if her ult and e dash was a single shot instead of many hits(with no icd), people's perception of her would be way higher, her ult is hiting effortlesly 200-300k/cast while having space for 2 sub dps and a buffer on most teams, but since it's in chopped up hits and a big part of her team dmg is from the aformentioned subdps, it doesnt look as impressive as navia or kinich hiting 200-400k hits even tho they have pretty much the same team dps levels
altho i gotta admit, c0r0 she felt a bit underwhelming, it always felt lik sh was missing a tiny bit of dmg to feel truly satisfying, so i got her c1r1 and now she is competing really well with the top dogs on my account like c1r1 neuvi with his premiun team and furina c2 and mavuika c0r1 with her premiun team, while taking way less ressources
i kinda love heer for the same reason i love raiden, any nw sub dps or support will be a potential new teamate for her and there is very fw ways at last on of her teams cant deal with any given floor or bs hoyo throws at you
My new go to creator. Too many people doggin on Clorinde I have her built her and play her in her best team and she slaps.
Thank you for saying drop the TF set, it's funny how all the people who say she does no damage all use that set. Just throwing away 20% of your damage.
We also need a strong 5 star electro to replace the Fischl spot because Yae was a big let down.
recently got cloronde. i have c2 fischl and c6 sara. which one should i prioritize for clorinde?
I tested with clorinde mauvika fishcl and chev
The dmg increase from fotd to her sig is not 22%, its more than 30% on an average
Sonic music, nice.
I literally absolutely see you everywhere
From Reliea to flip, wtf
Hey, im building pity on banner because I want lanyan or chev. I already have arlecchino and 62 pity ungarunteed. Which banner should I build on?
managed to get her to c2 (from c0) on my alt and also grab absolution, it was alllllll worth it.
NICE
Been pulling like a madman to get some more Chev cons. Got Clorinde's C1 along the way and Chev is C3 now. Personally I've had more luck with QB setups... mostly because I have a c2 Nahida and C2 Furina though.
Also, yeah, I agree. She's very versatile. She's not on in that top four or five, but she's definitely a bit better than like Alhaitham these days.
So that’s what Madman's knowledge be like
cause of “madman”
yeah, at C2 supports investiment, i think her quickbloom teams became better than her aggravate teams, because now the sub-dps goes up by a lot, and the buffs are much higher too.
I already had C2 Nahida and Furina at Clorinde launch, so playing quickbloom was always her best team on my account, but now that is begining to change with C2 Mavuika, her overload teams became insane
If only I didn't need to get that Lan Yan C2. Got Clorinde because game really made me win my 7th straight 50-50.
7 50/59 wins is a w
No Yunjin appreciation, heartbroken! Nice guide though, love it.
11:48
So is eshu better than the deep
Anyone have info on the comparison between Kazuha vs Xilonen as supports for Clorinde Aggravate teams?
Gcsim Xilonen calcs a tad higher than Kazuha version like a few %, but she's significantly easier to play and offers healing, crystal shields.
you didnt include lions roar for chev teams, the optimizer gives me that as my by far best 4*
What’s better for calamity of eshu chlorinde??
Nahida + lan yan ttds/r5 hakushin
or
Kazuha + Kiara c4 sapwood
Also what is nahida’s er requirements with: fishl, chlorinde, Kazuha/xilonen etc
I got chlorinde by accident on her first banner
i liked the idea of her gameplay but when playing on high ping its a disaster with gaining and using BOL, so i was very very disappointed by her
I also a Keqing main so i would not take her team and use it on another electro character so fischl was not avilable on chlorinde teams
I only have C0 chevy and c0 thoma and i did build them to try make an overload team but i did not like it (i usually like chevy in pyro dps overload teams)
I have c0 kirara and leveled her for chlorinde but it seems her shield dont last enough in a non healer team
I gave up on chlorinde many times and gave her good pieces to arlecchino instead but my account refuses to leave her alone
in fact just yesterday i got her a new double crit electro goblet
and today i got her weapon when i wanted arlecchino spear
so please i need to have a really good team to play at a high ping without me hating my self playing her
What would be the rotation on the emily team?
You didn't mention her jank at high ping
Why is lions roar not mentioned in weapon list? How comparable it is to other options
in 10/10 times Finale of the Deep better and universal
@ may i know why
Getting fischl from c0 to c6 is more damage increase than getting c1 clorinde or c2 nahida in aggravate teams and my fischl is stuck at c0 which i bought from store. Without c6 fischl raiden feels much better to play than clorinde' aggravate teams.
Hey Flip, I'm currently running Clorinde C1 on Shimenawa's as I don't have good whimsy sets yet, and I've found it quite easy to manage energy requirements even with no ER and bursting at the end of her skill. I was wondering how this set compares to whimsy, echoes, and gladiator? Thanks!
Don't quote me, but I believe it was determined that Shimenawa's doesn't affect her stance damage because it's classified as skill damage. I know when she first released there was a reason why everyone dismissed Shimenawa's as an option, and I can't imagine it's the energy because what you described is exactly how I play Hu Tao.
@azuarc oh no it definitely works. Clorinde's skill counts as normal attack damage, even the lunge, which is why calamity of Eshu works so well on her. The reason I imagine people don't use Shimenawa is because her burst doesn't benefit from the damage buff, but I'm not even sure if that's the reason because gladiator also can't buff the burst
@@aishaali9771 the sole reason why ppl choose not to use shimenawa is because its drain 15 energy every elemental skill use. Clorinde is not elemental burst oriented, but it give contribute nice of dmg and can be opener on rotation for easy 1 stack A4 passive (Maybe can still be used, but energy became more tight). Meanwhile gladi doesnt buff burst either, but it doenst have drawback (IMO)
I have c2 clorinde@FOD r5, do I really need to get her atk to 3000 to maximise her c2(a1 passive)? It is hard to achieve 3000 atk with low base atk weapon😭
ayy best fischl a4 proccer🔥🔥
Thanks for the final straw, Mr. Flip. I can finally let go of my TF piece
Is Clorinde - Furina - Nahida - Baizhu a good team?
My Clorinde is on TF btw and I dont think I would plan on changing that ever lols.
Yeah that team is good
how much different yae is compared to fischl in her teams?
So if my fishcle is c0 and I have none of the other recommended electro, can I use c6 beidou instead?
Fischl still better than
So given her base crit rate and passive, around 70-80% should be the cap when building her Crit Rate, correct? What would be the lowest Crit Rate you would recommend reaching? I’ve been using Black Sword mostly, and I want to use Calamity of Eshu now that I have Lan Yan. However, my Crit Rate becomes 33% with Eshu equipped.
55% is the absolute lowest
Ideally 64-72%, bcs in abyss you can get 8%-16% card buff sometimes
She gains + 20 from her passive so at the lowest I would recommend 50% which still gives you 70 crit rate.
Mine sits at 79%, which means she hits (almost) 100 with passives. I forget what my CD is, maybe 180?, but it's a respectable balance. Just add 20 to your crit rate and seek a standard 1:2.
She is an OK unit imo, not necessarily game breaking or anything. Just enough to be competetively viable in clearing an increasingly difficulty content the game throw at us.
Tho I dislike the use of "Not requiring Bennett" argument. It is no different than one another when almost all of her team is tied to having Fischl.
Fischl C6 contributes to about 20% of the total team damage in Overload team, and about 40% in aggrevate.
So it'd be disingenuous to say Fischl isn't all that impactful.
If you use non-C6 Fischl, the entire damage of aggrevate variant will lose about 20% damage per rotation.
I don't think there is any other electro character that lose out on this much damage simply for not having one of their teammate be at certain constellation level.
And let's be honest here, getting C6 on a 4-star character is harder than getting a copy of 5-star character or their signature weapon.. So try not to be biased in this aspect because not everyone do have C6 Fischl readily available, especially if they are new to the game.
Also mechanically speaking, being unable to buffer her E press can be somewhat of a let down.
YUNJIN CLORINDE COMBO MENTIONED
clorinde the goat trying for c2 but have to get lucky 😂
How would you say she compares with yae miko?
Man as cool as she is, I have a C2R1 Raiden. I can't justify the pulls 😢
IIRC, C0 Clorinde clears faster than C3 R1 Raiden.