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Our Ryzen APU Tests didn't go so well...
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2018
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Pro tip. If you are going to make an office computer where you don't need a discreet GPU, make sure the motherboard has video outputs.
this
Haha spot on. I was drunk when I bought an ASrock a320 without paying attn to the fact that it didn't have integrated video output. Had to return it and get one that did with my Ryzen 5 2400g that I got with bent pins. Now I gotta return it and have NewEgg replace it lol.
I feel like you are speaking from experience...
Ohh I was. I caught the mistake the day after ordering. I called the store and was able to modify the order before they shipped it, so all ended well.
hey dblefistinyourass WHO GETS DRUNK AND GOES PC COMPONENT SHOPPING? :clue,it rhymes with moronic dumbass alcoholic turdburgler
I was going to buy a 1080, but I decided I needed both kidneys.
overused joke
Dialysis isn't too bad. And for both Kidney's I'd expect 1080 Ti's in SLI with a 2800X (stolen from AMD's secret lab)
nateo200 but you will need to grow new kidneys when these components brake after few years
no you can sale one kidney
Eren Yaehger nice
These nightmarish experiences are as important as the benchmarkings and comparisons. It's what early adopters of brand new technology/products usually deal with: all those crashes and things not working as they should. It is very important for everyone to realize that this is happening or can happen specially during the first weeks. Thanks for sharing, Jay!
Why don't you build the 2400g with the b450 pro wifi and 3000 vengeance ram and actually test the app properly
Now we just need duel socket mobos so we can sli the apu.
Typical best stupid idea. Even though you know it's dumb, you still want to see it happen.
Those exist.
Nuvokid i would buy a threadripper apu with sli 580 level vega
Arcade Party crossfire*
sli amd?? lol
Pretty sweet value compared to what we had before!
If a quadcore CPU suffices for the person, sure, then go ahead and buy it and maybe upgrade it later. The problem for me is that you can't get more than 4 cores on this platform which strongly limits the group of people to whom it is interesting. I think for example about console emultors, HTPC's (without videoptimization like madVR) and students who don't need much hardware and buy/build their first PC. It is good value/money, maybe even great value/money, but not interesting for those who desire/need more CPU cores or more powerful graphics, also because it has to make do with DDR4 (much lower bandwidth). In short, I've got mixed feelings.
wait for the ryzen 7 version, it'll fix most of these issues. With GPU prices the way they are right now this is actually a great option for everything 1080p high or below
+flashkillpro the ryzen 7 version will still only have 4 cores, since it is a single CCX in Raven Ridge
Its designed as budget option. Did You expect it to be comparable to 1050? Its 170$ I think - if You want decent CPU and GPU then You have to be willing to spend more.
yes but the need for 6 cores in most gaming uses is very very limited and will only be implemented in the next 3 to 5 years. For now having 4 fast cores is the optimum so its fine. Also these are budget cpus for budget gamers so they're still great value. I understand your point im just saying that 6 cores is a bit overkill right now and that 4 cores with more cache and clock speed will outperform 6 or 8 core cpu's with slower clock speeds in 95% of games today ;)
So youre telling me APUs can be used for gaming.......... and cost less than most consoles?
WHY ARENT WE FUNDING THIS?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!??!?!1!/1/!/1?!?!?
MOTO/R/SPORT NEJ
consoles are just AMD APUs, lol.
Because the cost of a pc using apus still aren't cheaper, and perform worse.
Yep..... that's why I went with a Xbox One S for my HTPC instead of building a HTPC, despite having next to no interest in playing xbox games.
hard to build something for 200 bucks.... in this case, you play 100 for the CPU, 100 for a motherboard...... and still need a power supply, case, ram(, bluray drive).....
Max Mustermann ya but just buy an old ps3 or x360 if all you're doing is watching Netflix etc.
I'm not watching netflix and "apps" for those two console suck hard anyway. I'm using PLEX. Which has apps available for PS4 and Xbox One. Also I can use it as a 4K Bluray player.
360 doesn't play bluray at all, PS3/PS4 don't play 4K content.
Honestly, for watching netflix with the comfort of an 360, I wouldnt need any additional device at all, my TV is already able to do that..... it even has a dedicated netflix button....
Netflix sucks balls.
As an Intel guy i'm just gonna say that i don't see these issues hurting this product as for it's potential, many many products might see some issues due to poor support and optimization with software, this seems to be a bios thing, do the test again when it's updated, looks like a solid product actually.
Nice to see you jumping around talking smack for no reason Jerry. Go fuck off somewhere else
Jerry C Actually I have 0 problems with my Ryzen 5 2600
Edit: Yup one month later still going fine
@@cefirodewinter9086 what mobo do u use??
Now a year later its amazing and improved without crashes and the ingame buzz crash was fixed with driver update.
It's more of amd is good but developers are still more on Intel optimizing . But hey things are getting competitive now so I expect things to be better for the consumers soon .
Gotta love AMD products for consumers.
Jan Pedersen Good stuff, I love AMD. Instead of only releasing really expensive high end stuff only (Nvidia) or the same CPUs year after year (Intel), AMD is great for consumers.
Great video, It is almost there - at the very least, a playable solution (somewhat) as opposed to GPU pricing. You make the best videos man - really appreciate your channel. Cheers buddy!
Ram wont really return to normal. Atleast, not now. The ram pricing reflects the increase in it's raw material. It cost more to make and so it is only natural that they are sold at a higher price. GPU however have no reason to have been subjected to almost a 100% price increase. It is ridiculous.
I would recommend a i5 2400 and a gt 1030
1030 looks awful (GamerNexus tested just such a setup). It's easy to say, and not much help, but if you can't build a decent rig, you pretty much can't game! - or at least the experience will always be compromised. If you have to run 720 with low settings..... go buy a playstation.
You absolutely can game. I’m still using a i7 2600 with a gtx770 and games run just fine.
And quickly googling "compare gtx770 with gt 1030" reveals that in benchmarks the 770 massively outperforms the 1030 - EG double the frame rate for CS-GO!
1st hit on google:
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-770-vs-Nvidia-GT-1030/2174vsm283726
I'd say just 'fine' is about right, PUBG at 4k would be a stretch - my GTX970 machine runs around 60-80 fps on high settings at 1080, whereas my GTX1080Ti spits out around 110-120 fps on ultra at 4k. i'm sure your 770 would be just fine (60+fps) at 1080 with judiciously tweaked gfx settings. but the 1030... not so much.... unless pubg supports 640x480! :-)
4:37 LOL, I love his reactions, so legit.
This was a godsend for me in 2021🤣 gpu prices or so ridiculously high
Iam loving it. I hope that can bring more ppl to pc gaming with budget builds.
Just as I'm about to sleep, damn. I'm so glad I built my PC around 8 months ago, even if it is just a 1050ti, still runs great for everything I need!
YTS
Built mine more than a year ago, when it is more affordable to have 32GB of RAM.
I use a 1050 Ti too, it's a really good card.
Built mine in may. I bought a asus 1080 for 488 and last time I looked it nearly doubled in price.
Tom the Fish - Damn good deal👍
Frederic A. Truslow i built mine in mid decembet, got a 1060 armor OC 6gb, about 320$ i think (but thats in the balkan where price at least 1/4 more than what it is in the usa.
Groundbreaking hardware needs time to mature
That "0" on the Rise of the Tomb Raider. Lmao!
I think ryzen 3 2200g is more interesting than the 2400g.cause its giving almost similar performance of gt 1030(slightly slower) but an very interesting price point of 99$.
A similar cpu+gpu config
G4560+ gt 1030 = 160$
Ryzen 3 2200g = 99$
Yes its a bit slower than the gt 1030 but I'm saving 60$ here
With 60$ i can also go for a budget b350 mobo like asrock b350m or gigabyte one's which is also oc capable.
You should never even consider the GT1030.
i slammed one into my uncles ultra budget pc and he can run borderlands 2 40-60fps with everything set to med-high and with physX on medium
Benchmark scores for these APUs are very inconsistent across reviews. Some have the APUs neck and neck with the GT1030 and RX550, while others have the APUs trailing with all sorts of stuttering and 1% issues. Once you factor in the fact the APUs need high rated dual channel RAM kits while discrete builds are perfectly happy with slow-ass single sticks, it all becomes a huge mess that needs an Excel spreadsheet the size of Hawaii and a few days with a supercomputer to work out what you should have bought before all the prices changed and *ARGHHHHHHHHHH*
+Stoner Walrus if you put physx on low you can get the other settings to high/max physx causes a lot of frame drops as its buggy in that game
+Stoner Walrus Use the Nvidia control panel to force Physx to CPU processing - that'll disabled PhysX in BL2 and it'll run *much* better. That game is buggy AF.
Will AMD's APU be better than Intel's iGPU?
Yes. Duh. I just hope they can work out these kinks in the system.
MunkeyChips What..? Why answer your own question, when you were asking the comments section?
I was just pointing out the obvious for the helluvit...
Intel will have Ryzen integrated graphics soon enough.
Tiger, have they announced that or are you speculating? I know Intel is buying Vega GPUs for discrete graphics in their laptops but that's not the same thing.
Yeah, I meant to say Vega integrated graphics. The 5 SKUs for Intels Core i7 G products should only be the beginning. I expect Vega to be integrated in its desktop SKUs soon enough. Anything could happen in the mean time if the two corporations sour their business relationship. But, I expect Raja Koduri to be the buffer as intended.
thankyou for not cutting out the bits that go wrong. It shows that other people can have these problems too.
i agree with Jay until the GPU prices come down ALOT to the point that buying a prebuilt system is as much as buying a new GPU card alone the AMD Integrated GPU chip is good enough for a start into pc gaming
start is very different from wanting to play a triple A game at max settings as for playing at max setting on most games you will need a card with at least 1 GPU and its own RAM to use
yumri4 so u got it? How does it do things
The rx580 is super cheap though ....
I'm gaming without one at the moment , i would need to sell one of my kidneys to afford one at the moment.
I just picked up a Geforce Gt1030 2Gb for $100 at best buy. Made a huge difference playin World of Warcraft, No crashing since i put it in and running 80-100fps. They had some for $50, that's what i got my son. He hasn't crashed either.
Old Radeon HD7770 or HD7850 are probably best cards for "little" money. Im using 7850 on my ghetto 4k rig, but it is really good for 1080p gaming.
Cody Pettigrew
And I believe it would not even handle Total War games or even Space Engineers without having poorer graphics quality than consoles.
$100 for a 1030? Just checked the prices..... damn.... worst I've seen yet.
I'm so fucking glad I bought my RX480 8GB in 12/2016....
Why is that so hard to believe? Never said I was running at full graphics. But definitely not at the lowest where I was running & my computer hasn't crashed since I put it in. Its way better than what I did have, no graphics card at all lol
2200G for the best budget gaming PC value.
2400G if you need all 8 threads, don't want a dGPU, and/or want more future proofing.
Thank you a TON for showing the real building issues, the good, the bad, and the motherboard compatibility ugliness. Especially since after everything getting your own benchmarks even with the issues. There's alot of other reviewers/creators out there that I heavily suspect that they just copy someone else's benchmark numbers and have no idea of how accurate those numbers are and especially how likely those numbers are for the other normal people. I have far mor respect for someone who does this and place far more value on someone who shows that they get their own numbers and what the actual experience is even when things don't work properly.
In other words you don't have to be perfect but being honest and truly representing the issues that I might end up with when I build the same system is what counts. Thank you Jay.
Good luck! Hopefully AMD addresses this promptly. You received an engineering sample so definitely expect problems. This is still debug mode as far as they are concerned. Glad you are switching focus here on hardware, Jay. All your videos don't have to be about the high end and the GPU power and record breaking components, that's the normal appeal but I really appreciate you for going off the normal track to pay attention to stuff like this. It shows you have a commendable attention to detail. Thank you.
Thats exactly what happened to me with MSI Fm2+ board. They told me that more graphic card memory could be allocated in next bios revision. 3 years later ... no update !!
the performance scale pretty well, if you OC the CPU/GPU and RAM too!
Thx Jay for show us your clear experience of your first contact with this APU. I guess they will/have to improve the Bugs in about 2 weeks. A typical Ryzen lunch for sure....
I think APUs are a completely valid option and in my opinion they open the door for a lot of inexpensive, compact and creative looking systems because it only requires a single aio liquid cooler to reduce noise and increase performance. I have a pretty high end mid-tower myself with an i5 and a 1080, but I am still going to build an APU system for my living room to replace steam in-home streaming.
Sadly the price of ram here in Australia is horrible, 16gb of that flare x ram is ~$345-$389 AUD (USD ~$270-$313) and it isn't just the flare x memory, its all ddr4
If you want a pc for a decent price in 2018, go Sandy Bridge and DDR3. It’s honestly the only way
Top end Corsair is $250 US down the road from me. What government policies cause you to have high prices and a slow internet
Do you need 16gb? Do you do video render or content creation? If so fair enough.
Try gaming while multitasking. Discord, youtube, etc.
16GB is bare minimum for gaming in 2018.
Justin Baughman Discord i do easily on 8gd DDr4 2666mhz and game at the same time. Do you really watch youtube whilst gaming? A web Browser isn't gonna smash your CPU and RAM hard unless you have alot of instances running and no page file....Corsair 8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4 2666MHz 2x 4GB Skylake i5 6400. Its the same reason i got an i5 rather than i7 for the price increase vs the performance increase its not worth it unless you do content creation or video (like adobe after effects etc). You are talking about 11% for a doubling of price. Your resolution you game at, the type quality and size of the VRAM on your GPU, the titles you play and settings all make a significant difference. 16gb won't be common or necessary for a few years yet. I'd buy a bigger or faster SSD, especially as Game sizes are increasingly massively.
Hello future htpc
trippplefive They really don't need to. You look at any HTPC and they're all using dedicated cards. This is definitely a good APU, but as Jay explained, these are more so just meant to give you an image without a dedicated card. Unless you're watching low-quality media, you're very likely not going to get great performance with just this APU in your HTPC.
Masterown35 it should preform just fine streaming at 1080p and reasonably well gaming at 720p which is about what you will get out of most consoles except the most recent ps4 pro and Xbox just need that driver maturity
Again, I understand that, but high quality media, which is what a majority of people will look for on an HTPC, still takes beefy hardware. Which is why, CPU and dedicated card. It's not like this is a literal Vega chip. Even at 720p you're not going to get the kind of performance that you'd get out of a dedicated card. Which is obviously a given, but these aren't made for that kind of use.
Jay, these are the videos that we love! this is what sometimes happens to all of us when building new systems , great video!
Interesting to see just how playable games are with the extra memory and overclock, something which Linus didn't show or mention. Looks very powerful indeed!
Well, that started well (don't use a video card in your nextbuild!)
I still think it's great for what it is (easily the best thing for affordable PC gaming coming out in a long time)
Not in my sub box. Thanks twitter ;)
"Graphics card prices suck!" *Laughs in availability*
"video card prices suck" if only he knew what was coming...
Jay no need to apologize that's what u were doing U.A.TESTING TO see what's what. Appreciate the Vid.
Check out Hardware Unboxed video on Ram allocation for iGPU
Changing GPU memorry on the bios will not affect performance . you obivously had some other issue here...
How so? Jay seemed to be the only major tech influencer with any problems.
I wonder how the system memory setting... speed the memory to 3200Mhz...
This was my experience with the Ryzen 5 2400G. I bought it this year for the low cost of $139 on Newegg. Tried it's VEGA APU, overclocked it, ran into a lot of instability.
Eventually I just stuck my Aorus GTX 1660 Ti into the system disabled the APU, OC the CPU to 4GHz and called it a day.
And.... Does that work?
It was refreshing to see a honest video. You are right it reminds me of the issues I had when I built my Ryzen 1800x over a year ago when it first came out. I finally found a Strix 64 vega at a decent price for the same system and it is rock solid. of course that is a lot of bios updates later. I would like to see how the same system performs in a couple months with a little maturity. Someone else made a good point in that maybe try some of the esport titles which is probability the majority of entry gamers.
Talk to Linus Tech Tips, they got one working. Dont remember the mobo they used tho.
Michael Collins I'm over 13 so I don't watch much ltt .
Michael Weiss Jay knows LTT so they could talk. Just sayin
Michael Collins Most of the tech guys know each other, they have a different audience. Many people watch lots of tech channels but have some favorites, personally Linus is a house painter turned salesman, he learned that capitalism works, good for him! But I want info from experienced hands on people, Linus is a showman and there is a audience for it, hope he makes huge cash, he's just not for me... Then again I have been in computers since the Amega, I'm 62 fuckin years old !
Michael Weiss R u really 62? How are people in ur age group in the west when talking about tech? My parents & their colleagues are in 50s & still brag how 2Mbps is high speed internet & 4gb ram is a luxury. They are even technicians by the way.
b888 I was on a 9600 baud modem, that was fast till I went up to 1440 then 56k, today that would take forever to load a web page, I'm actually a month younger than Bill Gates.
Why is no one wondering how setting 2GB dedicated memory makes a difference? It shouldn't. What happens when the frame buffer is full? Stuff gets written to system memory instead which is slower. But in this case, both are the same. So it should not matter at all. In fact it should be the best to just set the dedicated graphics memory to as low as possible. So when you're doing graphically low intensity stuff you don't just lose 2GB of system memory.
So how is this kind of result possible?
Jay, could you test with 32MB UMA? This would be too low for basically anything right? So it would be forced to basically always write to system memory.
Exactly! I was just about to type a similar comment until I saw yours. I was scratching my head when Jay said setting a larger buffer made any difference whatsoever. All you're doing by setting it higher is limiting the amount of RAM Windows can use for other things when it's not required for the GPU. Windows memory management is pretty damn good. When using an iGPU I always set this to the lowest possible amount, and let Windows do it's own thing with memory allocation.
Yup. There was just a hardware unboxed video on this.
Interesting...so how did they get two different results?
I know that this video is about the desktop APU parts, but I'm excited for the laptop U sku's.
The ability to decently run games ON THE GO without needing to break the bank on a $1500 gaming laptop.
IMO this is the best APU video. So many other youtubers are just dumping out incorrect numbers using that shitty AMD supplied mobo and leaving the framebuffer set to 512meg. What a disaster for AMD. I bet they're going to ask everyone to remake their videos.
Kudos to Jay for not rushing numbers and waiting for better bios/drivers/etc and figuring out the true performance.
Haven't watched one of these in a while
Señor Squiggles And i dont kniw any Son of tech
ty, hard work much appreciated.
Even when you video goes wrong they are still awesome. Keep it ☝ Jay
I was hoping the Ryzen / Vega APU would be better at launch. I've loved the APU line and I've been using the A10 Kaveri since it came out. I was waiting for this combo but I think I will wait a little bit longer for the bugs to get ironed out. Thanks for the video.
Love the idea of the apu, great video thanks jay
I like how there is a box sitting inside the case.
Man you are a blessing. Thank you for the work!
The best videos on UA-cam. Very real, this type of things are what happens all the time building and fixing computers.
I just have to say that it is not a fx socket it is an AM3+ socket. It's ok if you got it wrong because everyone just wants to forget the nightmare that was the FX CPUs including the FX-9590 that I used until now that I upgraded to threadripper. 2:40
The Ryzen APUs are AM4 socket. Exact same as Ryzen chips without onboard graphics.
ThunderBeard84 Jay was talking about the FM Socket and AM socket for the last gen apu and cpu by AMD
ThunderBeard84 also watch from 2:35 - 2:50 you should understand what I mean.
The FX 8320 8350 and 8370 arnt that bad of a CPU tho
Spooky Wegion the FX Series isn't as good as the new Ryzen CPUs but I did have my good old FX-9590 pc as my main pc for a long time. Now I got that threadripper 1900x which is much better.
I just hope that miners won't buy every gtx2xxx-series GPU once they are out, so that we don't have the same ridicilous pricing as before
The ones upgrading their older cards will fill the market with "cheap" GPUs I think.
Iura Bordei might be, but consider that you won't know whether the used GPU you see on ebay belonged to a normal person wishing to upgrade, or a miner who wants to get rid of a card that's been running 24/7 for like the last 2 years
Winchestarr maybe nvidia will put some type of anti mining or something in the card to stop them
That's true, but if they are "dirt cheap", I mean ridiculously cheap on the used market, they might be even worth to try out
FeenFeenn spoiler:they wont. They care about sales, not who buys them
This seems like a fantastic solution for budget office computers. I built my work computer out of spare parts I had laying around, but it's overkill using a GTX970 on a non-gaming rig that occasionally streams videos for employee training; uses more power, generates more heat, etc. I'd love to build a mini-ITX or micro-ATX rig with this for use at work. I think it would be like a beefed up NUC. I think it would be crazy to try and game with any seriousness on this, as I doubt gaming is the intended use case based on hardware specs. However, it seems like this would be great for children and family members who don't game much but would give them a superior non-gaming experience compared to any other chipset in the price range. On another note, you can still find GPUs for reasonable (close to MSRP) prices if you're patient and get on lots of notification lists.
Almost forgot, thanks for another great video Jay. The fragmented video/fragmented experience comment was great!
Great video Jay, always love these videos where things don't always go as planned, very real, and that's what keeps me coming back, thanks.
Another awesome video from Jay! Keep it up.
Avender 1
"Less distractions" on a fully rgb keyboard...
Another solid, honest video Jay. As a budget gamer, I will keep my current rig, even with these things just being an update away from likely being glorious. My A8 7670k and my GTX 960 Armor OC are still handling anything I throw at them with no cpu overclock and only power limit/temperature sliders maxed out. The ryzen APUs are probably going to be even better for esports titles but this still doesn't pack enough punch IMO to go without discrete graphics in a "worth it" way.
Looking past teething issues, that's very respectable for such a saving/initial setup. Nice vid man! *^^*
It much more seems like a MSI problem than an AMD problem to me. So far MSI is the weak link on the AM4 platform, the most problems with system crashes and DOA's and the last to get memory at a certain clock frequency with certain timings compatible. MSI blames AMD for being too late with giving data but other companies seem to handle it better. A matter of how much resources you invest in it?
ASRock performed best in the first 2 months after the launch of Ryzen, no doubt about that! The first week several reviewers reported 3200/3600 MT/s on the ASRock AM4 Taichi. Asus came second, Gigabyte third and MSI was a hazard. Later Asus caught up well, I would guess that at the moment it is a tie between Asus and ASRock and it depends on what die you use. In forums you notice that most of the guys who are reporting problems for AM4 with either the RAM frequency (not even getting it to 2933 or 3166 MT/s) or the stability use a MSI motherboard, however the reviewers complained a lot about MSI to in the first weeks; many DOA's, having trouble to get it to work. I think it is due to a combination of being used to get much more time to sort it out and not having enough people to work on it.
My advice: buy either a X370 Asus Prime Pro ($140) or a AM4 Taichi ($200), both are great motherboard with regard to the hardware and deliver good value/$. The Taichi has a bit of a user manual (UEFI) but the RAM-support is good and the VRM's are excellent. The Asus Prime Pro is the cheapest motherboard with good enough VRM's for any next generation Zen CPU.
I don't know to what extend the hardware made the difference, I do know that the experts (like the computer scientists and consultants from Level1Techs) were very much impressed by the AM4 Taichi from ASRock. Anyway, be it hardware or software, with regard to hardware AS Rock and Asus both offer good options for a reasonable price. That is in my opinion one of the big problems for MSI on AM4, they don't offer such good hardware and the RAM support is crappy, even now still many users don't get above 2600 MT's wiht 3000/3200 MT/s binned modules , that is sad, on Asus and AS Rock 2933 MT/s is pretty much guaranteed if your module is binned for it.
The last few years I have the strong impression that MSI and Gigabyte consider AMD to be a lower tier platform for which they can offer less value than for the Intel and Nvidia platforms. I noticed this with the RX 480 (MSI reused the for Pascal designed shrouts, the heat sinks didn't overlap the GPU and RAM and as a consequence the card got hot and loud), the RX 580 (same story, even for their higher tier Gaming X card) and for AM4. Gigabyte did a bit better for the RX 580 and AM4 but you notice the same trend. Asus slipped up for the RX 480, their RX 580 and AM4 was fine. Obviously Ryzen and Polaris don't deserve to bet treaten as a second-tier platform, these CPU's and GPU's are very much competitive with what Intel and Nvidia have to offer, this is no Bulldozer.
My point of view: I look at how well the companies performed for several products of the last generations. MSI is out, I don't give them a chance for a while until they show improvement for at least 2 generations, Gigabyte is low on my list. For the graphics cards I favor Sapphire (excellent 580 and Vega), XFX and Asus, for the motherboards ASRock and Asus.
Yes, it takes some maze-solving to change the setings for the ASRock motherboards but at least you can get everything done. Personally I would chose the Asus Prime Pro X370 given the quality/price. The quality is not top notch but it certainly is better than any other
hi Jay (sorry for bad english)
I too have an inadequate grasp of the English language.
Sure Lock Even i can not make use of sophisticated words.
but that was perfect english
I, as well, am less capable of forming sounds from the lexicon of the language commonly know by its speakers as “English”, and express my sorrow to you for the purpose of notifying you of my incapability.
it's ok, if he can click bait you can have bad English ;)
I didn't listen to any of his words 'cause I was busy staring at that beautiful keyboard & monitor set
ok
if anybodz still watches this.... in the video the iGPU was OCed to 1375MHz when it crashed at doom.... it is confirmed that crashes and BSOD happens at 1350-1450 and then miracly stabilizes again at 1500MHz
Not bad. Looks promising when it will be stable !!!
AMD APUs > Intel iGPUs
Water = H2O
Pubg>fortnite
i like it how jayztwocents puts 4k possibility vids, while other bigger then him youtubers don't go above 720 or 1080p
As an all time Intel/Nvidia consumer I can only applaud this. I was afraid that at some point game companies would "forget" to optimize in order to accommodate lower end specs, it´s already being done by several companies who neglect propper optimization in their games as newer more powerful hardware is released. Whether you play at 4k or 1080p a well optimized game benefits everyone, the more people who actually purchase these apu´s the more companies have to consider making their games compatible with them, that hopefully means better optimization to accommodate everyone.
704 stream processers at 1375 mhz , my $1000 laptop (2 years ago) had a 960m with 640 cores at 1100mhz, these apus are insane.
The 2400G comes at 1250MHz, and the performance is not only measured with CUs and clock speed. The architecture does also matter.
Dont understand why they dont make laptops with 2200g's
it would dominate the budget gaming laptop market
They do make laptops with newest AMD APU's.
Why not just get something like a used GTX 970? You can find them for $150 on ebay.
Sammyzuko Power consumption, and price
Power consumption is fine, compared with the cards of its tier, the price is around low to mid $200's right now though, the cards that sold on ebay
Tell me about the free CPU that comes with every used GTX 970.
Point was you can get a competent video card that isn't very expensive even in the age of crypto. Or just buy a couple Litecoin, wait a few months, and pick up a 1080 Ti ;)
Thanks for testing your results for OCing the clocks, because it shows how well it scales up.
I personally would really appreciate links to the hardware mentioned or in this case used in your videos. You always include the links for the advertised product which is great but the other components would be awesome to check out as well. Other than that I love your videos! :D
I sold my old RX480 for 400€ a few days ago and got a new 1070Ti for 570€ on the way.
still masively price hiked by cryptocurrencies. got my 1070ti maybe a month ago for 100 euro less.. and I got the MSI gaming version, not the cheapest out there.
True, but you have to keep in mind that I got my 480 for 260€ 1 year ago. So I effectively paid 430 for a 1070Ti while using a RX480 for a year for free.
How does this have anything to do with the topic of the video?
Sir Delta not miners but RAM shortages is why GPUs are out of stock. GPUs would be out of stock anyways and were $30 more before miners bought them out stop blaming the miners since gamers would've bought out the GPUs too eventually
Literally the first sentence of the video.
Now lets say you allocated... 4GB instead of 2GB? I bet there is even more room for performance gain.
You can only put 2GB of ram for the cpu i think
Before I got a video card, my Acer box had the Intel HD 630 with 2 GB of RAM allocated to it. Here is hoping OEMs don't ruin this setup for consumers, which is where the majority of these chips will find themselves, and release builds with fast RAM and with default BIOS settings providing a high amount of it to the Vega graphics.
Your channel is a God Send Jay!
This should have been tested on older, lighter titles, like esports.
Not necessarily.
Csgo is a resource hog but to me 120fps is choppy in it
Because amd said don't use that mobo
it was worse on the mobo they told him to use tho???
The motherboard they sent him to use wouldn't work at all.......
it did work, just only at pure stock settings
your title should bring up the fact you can get around GPU prices. even if prices come back down, that will always be a good point
I think that was a good try man. Unfortunately the tech hasn't cooperated. I'm thinking about upgrading certain parts on my entry level pc
Serious question here..... if i have a duel socket motherboard, can i SLI the CPUs?
Where did you get a dual socket am4 motherboard
It's AMD, so obviously you could only crossfire them....
Nice job effectively stealing someone else's comment.
Maybe crossfire a set of EPYC APU's, only problem: they probably won't make EPYC APU's and dual EPYC boards won't support onchip graphics.
That's not what he's asking. If all you're gonna do is nitpick about semantics, then go find something better to do.
The problem regarding GPU prices is really online I've reached out to various computer stores in the area (Tampa Bay) and they are getting GPU's there is one store here that got 6 ZOTAC 1080 & 1080 ti another got various EVGA cards I got a Z 1080 ti amp extreme for about $100 over MSRP well under a thousand bucks. It took calls driving out there having a few conversations but in less then a month he gave me a call we stuck a deal "Only because I know you...." And I have a pretty yellow box on my couch that I would pay 300+ more for online at Amazon and Newegg. But you see I'm in my 40's I remember how to make contact build a relationship and strike a deal.... Forget online call around your area see what's available. You just might be surprised..
Not in Argentina, what u see online is what u get in the store
Thanks MercadoLibre
Well... while it might well be that the problem is bigger in online stores, $100 over MSRP is still a problem. For other products, MSRP is usually the upper bound on the price, not the "dream goal". ;)
Clairvoyant81 you forget this is a monopoly. Prices are what ever they wish them lop
Uhm... I don't think you know what a monopoly is. When it comes to GPU manufacturers, we have two major players. That's not a monopoly... and even if it was, it has absolutely nothing to do with retailers going over MSRP. It would have something to do with ridiculous MSRPs.
Great video jay..thanks for all the time you took trying to figure it out..😌
thanks for the testing. That APU might be a viable option for a really low budget gaming build. but I wish you would have dug more into the causes of the crashes and freezes. Because those can likely be solved.
Hi +JayzTwoCents , I don't think u understand what "UMA Frame buffer size" means. This buffer size is not accessible to the OS for normal system tasks, it is reserved for the IGD. Period. This figure does not represent the Max memory allocation for the IGD. Once the IGD consumes all of this buffer it will simply start using the system memory like a normal GPU. And since this buffer and System memory are the same, there is no delay/penalty, unlike a conventional GPU. This is why there is no difference in FPS in games whether you use 512MB or 2GB, If you do your benchmarks properly.
If you had problems with the hardware that AMD sent you then you should have reported it and STOPPED. Instead you decided to use an un-updated mobo and basically spread misinformation. I think this was very sloppy. I hope you can redo the tests properly again with an updated mobo.
Jerry C Sick comeback m8
This needs to be higher the testing was really flawed here.
Jerry C Yes the only reason you would need to set the dedicated memory higher, would be to run a game that needs to see the memory. Otherwise, the performance difference between 64MB and 2GB in within 3%
Ankur Singhal wow, shit man. you just made me thinking. 🤯 hmmmm. 🤔
Ankur Singhal his testing is mostly sloppy, one of the reasons I unsubscribed.
if jays experience was this bad the actual reviews are going to be hammering amd on the problems.
Tryhardtechy this was the first bad experience l have see. I think the motherboard fucked him up
OMFG! I Just tested this for mining, and it's comparable to a GTX1060. I just ordered 100 of them. The price to performance on something like this for mining is insane!
dude i actually just did my build with that same case without a video card since i don't have enough money right now ( even if i plan to buy it in the next months). I made mainly the same build but with b250m mortar motherboard, an i5 7600k cpu, a cooler master tower cooler with possibility to add another fan, and the same hdd and a 120gb sandisk ssd. This is actually incredible, i did this at the same time as well, this is absurd!!
EDIT: After seeing the whole video, my build with intel works much much better, i even have some kind of unlock features for the cpu and didn't have a problem for now with games, even if i don't try that much new games because i wanna wait for a gpu, but it does run superhot at best settings without any problem actually. For a little less you can get an i5 7500 and do the same build without gpu and get the similar results, i guess you should just stick with intel in this case, even if the vega graphics is better.
I thought it was a 2021 video because he mentioned GPU prices 🤣
2019
Hope the GPU market gets better soon
2021
Well
Having integrated graphics is great when your GPU dies. It makes it easier to diagnose the problem (comp isn't working, take out the GPU and hook up to the MOBO, suddenly works), and you can still play some older games fine until you replace it.
I'm actually surprised that integrated graphics hasn't just been a standard CPU modern feature
That's the exact same case with the same profile any everything my current build is using, though I'm using a full sized ATX version of the case, an Intel 8500 i5 CPU and a dedicated GPU (1070ti) so it's not exactly the same, but glad to see that case is making rounds. I like it a lot. I got my 1070ti when the Turing hype was high a few months back and NVIDIA GPU's dropped in anticipation of a new generation (which has now been confirmed to be a while off, so I expect them to rise again) and I assume some other factors were involved in pricing too. Though now they've gone back up slightly and seem to be on the rise.
I originally wanted a 1080Ti, but seeing as how I very rarely even attempt to game in 4K and my 1070Ti with only minor stock OC's from MSI can crush anything I throw at it in the 1440P/2K range, I guess there isn't currently a point. I still think it's tragic I paid 1080 price for a 1070Ti, I truly hope mining dies out, cryptocurrency needs some new kind of way to be introduced into the economy without mining, as mining is hurting hardware pricing badly on top of it introducing a new generation of malware that has people using your machine to mine for them. Nothing good has come out of mining for the average consumer, only bad.
But my god, seeing an APU capable of handling lower-scale 1080P gaming pretty well is just, it makes me giddy. I had multiple APU-run systems, mostly laptops, for a long time. They were always better than my experience using Intel integrated graphics, but they could never truly PC game. At least not with any modern games, or even semi-modern. Seeing that change is a good day for PC gaming. Also you aren't wrong about Doom, I got it running decently on some lower settings using an old HD 6990 and an FX processor with only 6GB's of DDR3. It runs on anything.
I got 19 Fps on my Intel Pentium and Intel integrated graphics card at lowest setting
on what, minesweeper?
SaimonVcp nope in Google Chrome and 12 in pubg
Jerry C when I bought the PC(in 2012) it was a beast,it can run any game up-to crysis 2 but now after release of dx12 and new games...... It feels like outdated!
Lol scrub
VaniumVII lol I can't afford a new one now due to price inflation
Now that he is going mainstream for the kids, the comments section has become incoherent dribble. Dang this young generation is in a devastated state.
Rudy Sal 14 Or maybe they’re just kids who don’t know much about computers yet
Rudy Sal 14 Just did some scrolling... I’m starting to see what you mean.
Back in my day hurrrrrr durrrr lmfao
Well this is odd I haven't watched one of Jay's videos in a while...what in the hell happened?
Adsense money and family expenses (and cars) probably happened
The one thing I would really love AMD to do is come up with a GPU that you can drop into a motherboard separately. Basically collaborate with a motherboard manufacturer for this kind on support. I think it would be totally awesome but a requirement of 16gigs of ram would be 32 gigs for the video. Hook up a liquid cooler on that puppy and now you got a cool system.
Hey there Jay . I have an opinion . I think if you turn off the full screen mode on games , that might solve the problem . This is similar to what we experienced on Intel before this . Also , man you really sacrifice yourself to computer science . I really appreciate that .
ryzen apu review videos gonna hit your subbox like "iS tHiS $99 aPu tHe nEw buDgET kINg ?"💨🤔 nah fr kinda hyped, really waiting my nuts off for that hardware unboxed 30 games benchmark if he does one like for GPUs and shit. wondering tho how ram prices will influence the budget factor tho as you need atleast 12-16gb with high clocks I'd say as the iGPU will use RAM as VRAM, maybe 2-4gb allocated through UEFI I'd say. cheers fellas
Your conclusion is positive, so change the title! Your buggy mb doesnt help anyone.
2:42 what FX socket? It's AM socket for pure CPU, FM socket for APU and APU without graphics.
And also, CM MasterWatt series are budget units. The 85C Teapo capacitors are not going to last all that long, so dont buy it for 'future compatibility'
I remember the Battlefield 4 APU Video! 720p Gaming Was Lit!