League of Dungeoneers? Or Dungeon Universalis? If you could only keep one which would you choose?
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I researched both and ended up going for the League of Dungeoneers. Sounded like more of the game that I wanted. Still waiting for delivery. The amount of communication that the designer Michael has been doing during/after the kickstarter has been amazing. I would recommend the game just from the communication. If he takes that much care in communication than I know he took even more care in creating the game.
Well said! I can't wait for delivery
Michael is a great guy
A while back I was looking for a good Dungeon crawl and it came down to these two games. I decided to go with LOD. So, yes, also waiting for delivery. Thank you Rob for this video. I'm sure before long I will also own Dungeon Universalis.
You won't be disappointed with LOD. It is a fantastic game.
I was deep into League of Dungeoneers when my copy of Dungeon Universalis arrived. I couldn't see myself being able to give the same amount of time to it, so I sold it on, without even trying it. I love League of Dungeoneers and can see myself spending many happy hours with it. And I get to use the miniatures that I already have. My number one game, without a doubt.
That’s very cool
I chose to back the reprint of LoD. Can't wait to get my copy. I watched a lot of content for LoD and DU. I like the look of LoD more. It looks more old-school to me. Maybe a bit less fiddly. I can't tell you enough, how helpful your coverage of all these types of games has been for me as I try to decide where to invest my time and money. Keep up the great work, Rob.
Thank you sir!!
Haven't had a chance to watch much of your videos recently, but just wanted to say I'm glad to hear you're taking some time to yourself. Hope you're keeping well man
Doing great my friend
I went all in on the reprint of League of dungeoneers. I have watched numerous videos and I'm impressed with the depth of the game , and especially the variability of play.
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I `ll keep both. But I am playing Dengeoneers more. You simply can use all that tiles and standees for lot of other things too. Dungeoneers for me seems more playable just now as I said but just now it`s impossible to get rid one of them. They both should be in every dungeon crawler and rpg collection.
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I have been debating to get either of these a lot. Thank you for making this video. I have watched multiple video playthroughs of both. But with DU, there just seems to be SO many "if so do this" and "if that do this, except that" type rules. I don't think I or my group could get through a single battle in DU without forgetting the rules or messing them up. Seems you have to be a "rules accountant" to play.
lol yeah a little
LoD has buried Dun in my regular gaming group. Dun came first and blew our minds, but LoD did better, a couple of years later.
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I would keep League of Dungeoneers as I feel it plays a little better solo. Love both games though, but I end up playing solo more often than with a group.
Same here
i kept League of Dungeoneers as it has a smaller footprint (barely)
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This was a hard choice for me. I debated getting both games for a while but ended up going all in on the League of Dungeoneers reprint. Just really impressed by all the content it offers - particularly the campaign map you can wander around in search of adventures. So excited for it to finally arrive.
Fantastic!
I live in the same city as Oscar, the creator of Dun, and here we all know that he considers his game an unfinished work. He has also abandoned that saga because he wants to launch another project.
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what ? seriously ???
League of Dungeoneers is what I love. both are fantastic but i chose LoD to own. it just clicked better for me and I enjoyed it a bit more.
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I went all in on both games and they both seem amazing. Realistically I feel there are very few people who have actually played both these games enough to answer this question. Allot of channels will talk about these games but did they read the rules and play enough of it to say which is better? The rules alone are legit novels! Never mind researching rules and actually playing. I do think they seem to be fantastic but I haven’t played either one enough to make that call.
Very fair assessment
LoD for me, but I can see where someone would prefer DU. DU is more like playing a RPG system, where LoD gets to the point a lot quicker, with dungeon crawls and hex crawling to the next dungeon. I don’t need the extra RPG mechanics in DU. If I want that, I’ll play a TTRPG that’s not a board game.
DU is really awesome though, and I’m glad the option between these two is a win no matter which one you pick.
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League of Dungeoneers for me. I'm waiting on the KS to deliver.
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Same here, should be just a few weeks if you're in the States!
I got LoD and really enjoyed it last year, I am holding off for the expansion and improved rulebook before diving back in. I also received DUN 1.3 all-in at Christmas and just not had the time to table it yet but really looking forward to it. I wonder if DUN benefits from having 3 printing's and improvements already over LoD only having 1 so far. Both have similar issues if you want to look for faults around storage solutions and to a lesser extent rulebooks, however this is not CMON, Awaken Realms or CTG publishing these games with huge teams and I am so impressed by what 1 or a handful of people can produce with passion. Your recent video on DUN has made me want to get it to the table next.
Both men deserve a lot of love
Thankfully, I don't have to choose and can keep both. I may even combine them in a campaign at some point. Glad I could play a small part in both games.
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If I had to choose between one evil and another, I rather not choose at all.
But I will choose league of dungeoneers.
Thank you sir!!
League of dungeonneers is what I like. Both look fantastic though.
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I picked league of dungeoneers. Its awsome.
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I admit that I was really torn over both on my search for the more quintessential RPG-in-a-box game. I looked hard at reviews of both, and was happy that both were more or less true labors-of-love from independent designers, whom I trust for a better experience than many bigger-name publishers that can implement ideas by committee and push mainstream publishing biases that end up watering down their games. I still feel very let down by what Bardsung could have been compared to what it ended up being, for example.
Either way, I ended up backing LoD, although the decision was not by any means a pushover. I simply felt (based on my research) that DU just was more of a lifestyle game, much more akin to an actual RPG -- and while that was good, it also seemed to require a lot more prepwork and more greatly benefitted from a dedicated gamemaster than LoD. Not that there's anything wrong with that, and I have tremendous respect for the DU team and what they've built. But for my personal experience, which is me and my wife, I felt that LoD would provide us a better ongoing experience. After receiving the latest crowdfunded campaign, I have been very happy with the production quality and am looking forward to really breaking into LoD.
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Well since I only have League of Dungeoneers coming and do not have the other. I would have to default with League of Dungeoneers.
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I really think you can't go wrong with either game. Both fantastic and crunchy beautiful dungeon crawling systems. I went all in on LoD and can't wait till it arrives so I can nerd out and get lost in the books and rollin dice. Something about that analog feel of the books and dice.
I agree
League of Dungeoneers. Easier rules and for that reason i can find more peolpe to play it with
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Hello! My name is Robert and i'm an addict! 😂 i have DUN with everything and LoD reprint all-in on the way too. Also KDM (all-in with future expansions too), ATO all-in and SSoH all-in, Core Space + First Born, Tanares all-in, Descent 1st ed and 2nd ed all expansions, MD1 and 2 all-in, all Zombicide except Marvel and DC, SoB massive collection, Solomon Kane all-in, Dark Soul all-in, Bloodborne all-in, Death May Die (missed out on the expansion KS), Deep Madness all-in, Blackstone Fortress everything except Advanced Arsenal, all ASL except Peiper 2, Bridge Too Far, Doomed Batallions and Operation Veritable. And a ton more 😅 All stored in my mothers basement while im "rotting" in the Philippines for 2 years now waiting for my wifes residency visa to Norway. My withdrawal is horrible and i pray every day we can go back there soon. I'll do a series of unboxing videos of my collection when we get back, just for fun. Thousands of RPG books and a huge lot of board games 😊
Well my friend I hope it works out
@@seahawk8601 hehe yes i hope to be back home in a few months. Desperately miss playing some boardgames. So much stuff i want to play. Here in Philippines it feels like gamer-oblivion. Most people cant afford luxuries like that and have no knowlwdge or interest towards the hobby. Wish you all the best too!
Such a tough choice, but I think I'd have to go with League of Dungeoneers. The random factor of LoD adds a lot for me, being able to just start up a character and make my own story up as I go, combined with the dungeon and loot randomization, it just does something for me that Dungeon Universalis lacks. I do appreciate the expanded bestiary and character building of DUN, and the incredible variety offered in its ruleset and progression, but I've also had an easier time getting people unfamiliar with either into LoD; I think there is just more familiarity for D&D/Pathfinder players with LoD over DUN, not sure why since I'm not really a TTRPG player, but something about it clicks much quicker with my D&D/Pathfinder friends. Luckily I don't have to pick one over the other, I think these are two games that should be in every RPG+dungeon crawl fan's collection if they can manage it, but I do find myself pulling LoD out more often personally. Can't wait for my 2nd edition to arrive shortly!
Great post
If you want all the crunch DU is where its at, if you want a more casual experience then it's LOD. I have and play both of them.
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I much prefer the combat in DUN, and I think it's better overall. I have both however and I will keep both because I really like LoD as well. I do see why some prefer LoD, but it's DUN for me. Kudos to both Michael and Oscar for these games!
I agree
I put a lot of time into choosing one big dungeon crawl game. I haven't played either of LOD or DU yet because the game I chose has not been delivered yet, but from the play-through videos & reading the rules of both, League of Dungeoneers is the game. It was an easy choice. When I was playing Magic Realm & Squad Leader in the 1970s, I likely would have wanted all of the options of DU. I no longer have that brain, after two strokes. I read some of the DU rules & my eyes glazed over. League of Dungeoneers' rules were easy for me to grok, and I'll be able to play it once (some of) the pieces are punched out.
Well done
Both of these look great to me... But what I am really searching for is a Sci-Fi experience like this. Any recommendations?
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@@seahawk8601 shame! Rogue Angels looks like it could be good (on gamefound at the moment), but always wary of games that haven't been released yet
I like DUN but the 4 others in our group prefers LoD so im out numbered
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For me, LoD is a little better than DuN in its rules, gameplay and standees. But to that we must add that Dun has already been abandoned by its creator and LoD has not. I sold my Dun 2 months ago.
Well i think that is about to change
DUN has not been abandoned. Oscar has talked about a number of planned expansions. Additionally he holds his own convention each year to play the game with others. That is the opposite of abandoning it.
I have bought and played both a lot. I sold DUN to buy the second printing of LoD. My reasons: I feel much more into the dungeon with LoD, the manual is more understandable and the game will continue its development. No match for me.
Whatever works for you my friend
I see ludicdragon is selling dungeon universalis directly. Do you know or have heard anything about buying from them directly and getting it shipped to the United States (Wisconsin specifically) ? The game looks fantastic but the shipping alone is near $60. Would like to know if they are reliable to buy from directly. Thanks
They are reliable and it is a very heavy games so the price is actually fair
Shipping is pretty insane - sometimes you need to just roll the dice
I have seen positive reports on FB about buying direct.
Thanks, everyone. Really thinking now how much to get expansion wise to get, given one big shipping cost.
@@jamesdunn5578 if you get any break in shipping, i’d get it all if you can afford it. If you try and don’t live it, will make it easier to sell!
Noooo ... don't make me choose only one! I'll try to answer. I own both, have played LoD and getting my party up to level 8 and having a great time. Ordered the expansion via the recent Kickstarter. DuN I received about a month ago and have made it through the first two missions and am still enjoying learning but very new to the game. Guess I'd choose DuN because I have a lot to learn and a lot of game left to enjoy vs. LoD where I've experienced the bulk of the base game already. I may change my decision later after I've played more DuN! I do like that everything in LoD is fairly self-contained - everything is there, no thinking about what to buy or not buy etc.;however, I've graduated to the point of being able to handle (hopefully) all that DuN throws my way. Plus LoD gets a little too easy once your party is established, not that one can't house rule around that.
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One of the keys to this decision is definitely the MODE of play you chose. Universalis is at its best in ttrpg in a box mode playing the campaigns with a GM. As a result it solos less well by a smidge although the app supports is a boon to coop and solo play in many ways. League has outstanding solo and coop PICK-UP game support (everyone didn't turn up for D&D no problem League time) its rules overhead is lower then Universalis too. If I had a group that wanted a boxed campaign game that we would play on the reg in a similar way to GLoomFrost, Univesalis is it. If I had a group that wanted a more freeform Warhammer quest esque game where character advancement was king and it was the dungeon-crawling over story (emergent story of the party and the world) League would be the pick.
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I have both. If I had to choose, I would go for DUN because WHQ95 is still much better than LoD (as much as I love LoD and it will never leave my collection), so I would rather play the original. ;)
I think they are the big three
At the very least we know your two favourites. Kudos to both!
I am a DUN player. I haven’t played League, so can’t comment. I do know different games appeal to different people per time, interest and temperament.
If DUN appeals, the rules are a hurdle that you need to put effort into learning to overcome . However once learnt the combat is so dynamic, the game is so rich and rewarding that the effort is so worth it. If you like deep, crunchy dungeon crawler campaign games DUN is awesome! 🤩
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Can DU be solo'ed? I thought it was one vs. many, but I don't know all that much about it. Eagerly awaiting my delivery of LoD reprint and expansion!
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Every since the beginning of Covid, I got into a board game addiction and grew my board game collection exponentially. I look at my collection and some of the games I know will never see the table and/or I wonder why I got it. Some I've enjoyed but wouldn't loose sleep if they left the collection. However, there are a few that I don't regret and will never get rid of, one being Shadows of Brimstone (THANKS ROB!!!). The other two being League of Dungeoneers and Dungeon Universalis. These two would have to be yanked from my cold dead hands before they ever left the collection. Both offer an experience unlike others and both with their own presentation.
Great post my brother!!!
Thank you for this video Rob!
I’m currently still waiting for my copy of LoD and I am really excited to try it.
I currently play DUN with friends on a weekly basis and I’ll tell you, we are totally hooked on this game. The strategy during combat is amazing and like nothing I’ve seen before. The game is difficult to grasp, and it has a ton of rules, but as we all grasp those rules through play time, the game flows so well! It is the ultimate experience in Dungeon Crawls.
I can’t wait to try LoD! We are deluxifying DUN with minis and terrain, and it’s all compatible with LoD. The community for these two games is also growing. The Spanish community in particular, which I belong to and stay in contact with, is developing great content for both of these games. Heck! DUN already has an amazing Fan Made app to help manage the campaigns!
Thanks again for your reviews about these games Rob, keep them coming!
I will my friend!!!
What about Dungeon Saga Origins? That's a pretty good game as well. But I'm with ya on this. I love both and I need them both. Not an option.
I will be covering this Thursday
Own both and both are great. DUN has my preference. Why ? Well, don't know. Maybe because it was the first one.
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I just received Dun last month. Still waiting on Leagues second reprint to ship. I doubt I will part with either . I have Tanares too, which is a beautiful game as well
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I cannot declare which of the two I would keep, as I have many hours of LoD behind me, but yet to play my copy of DUN. I suspect that I will hold on to both, and as I already add my own rules and mechanics to LoD, I will likely be cross seeding both systems with mechanics from each other.
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No contest. Dungeon Universalis is a royal flush vs LODs full house. Sold my LOD as it did not compare, in my opinion
Thank you paul
I went in with LoD 2E
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I gave LoD a good shot, but found the rules a mess. I worked through it though. My ultimate determination was that combat was just a bit too boring and static for my tastes. I loved the idea of the game, but I'd rather solo 5E or some other TTRPG system with a random dungeon generator. I have DU as well but haven't had a chance to give it a whirl.
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Have you heard anything on the second print release of league of dungeoneers ? I am going to go with that over dungeon universalis. I would really like to get the new second print of LoD. Thanks
Spoke with Michael today ….very very close
Thank you ! I was not sure how much changed from first print to this second one. I had heard he did a upgrade pack for first print owners.
I have them both, I still haven't got them to the table, a little over whelming to me.
Just take your time and it will pay off
I have DUN & LoD. They are very similar games but both will stay in my collection. Being of a certain age having played original D&D I love the old school crunchiness of these games. For me they are the fantastic designs that are top of the tree for Dungeon crawl games. The rule sets are so strong that you can leave rules out, make mistakes, and it won’t matter. The game won’t be broken. Both will say from a collector perspective. But if I had to keep one it would be DUN only because it was the original. Thanks as always for the work on the vid’s Rob.
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This is an easy question for me. I find Dungeon Universalis to be the better game in most ways (except I think the regular/basic rulebook split to be unnecessary).
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Dun is for me the winner
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Character creation is a pain in Dun, I have never liked it, and neither has its exploration system. LoD plays with an advantage because it is later, and in my opinion...it has improved everything that Dun did wrong.
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For me it's Dungeon Universalis, there is so much in the box, it's a game but also a system to create whatever you can imagine. It's an engine, that you can use. You can if you want mix and match tiles, mini's and cards from other Dungeon Crawls and create your own world. It's just brilliant!
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Both are great games, which you need to have, but if I had to keep one it would be DUN.
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I’m a huge fan of dungeon Universalis. More than just a game, it’s a system and has so much flexibility to make it what you want. At its core, the 2D6 system is simple and efficient. Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Love your content.
You are welcome my friend
Nope, I watched all of the video to see your answer. You cannot do this to me, you're pulling a Uno card on me and I don't play Uno! 😜
It’s what I do
Hoping to get LoD pledge soon - just got DUN recently but i have a feeling i’ll be in same boat as you - can’t just pick one!
wayyyy to hard!!