This dude 😂 I love it “you know what go ahead and water it” me when I tell people this is not recommended professionally but this is how I do things lol.
I grow in 2 gallon pots, & I water 3x per day. First time I’ve used coco coir, after 30 years using expanded clay balls. I had issues early & the plants looked as though they were overwatered. I held off watering but there was no change in the stunted growth. I saw a guy on UA-cam suggesting “it’s impossible to drown a Cannibus plant or DWC wouldn’t work.” It made sense, & so I began watering them until runoff, & the plants responded immediately. Water them often, don’t allow the water in the pot to go stagnant. Plants draw all the oxygen they need from freshly introduced nutrient mix. Absolutely recommend running air stones & H2O2 is also a huge benefit when using coco coir
I’m having this issue right now. In half gallon pots (early veg), and was watering daily. Showing signs of overwatering , so I skipped a day. Watered , and now they’re showing worse signs of over watering. I do not understand. This is my first grow in coco - was going extremely smooth until all the sudden she started wilting after getting watered , and leaf tips pointing down. I just don’t get it though. How can I go until my VWC is 16% before watering - but it’s still overwatered. Coco doesn’t make sense to me.
@@tman8023 if they are only 2 weeks old i cant imagine the coco is even starting to dry out for a couple days. the roots havent expanded. if the coco looks soaking wet still. wait. once they grow into the pot you will be able to water twice daily if not more depending on size and demand.
Once the roots have grown into the coco it's pretty hard to overrated. Especially in fabric pots. I've only had it happen when I first transplant and most of the medium has no roots. Or in the plastic bag containers that were not draining well.
@@TriStateTrichomesHand watering Coco Coir actually is Hydroponic Growing. Coco is as you know an inert medium and is used in Hydro growing in some cases. So the only thing missing is the pump and the timer and that doesn't make it Hydroponic or not. But using an inert medium and feeding nutrients does.
@@GMT439 Could you give me some advice on watering? I have mine in 3 gallon fabric pots of straight coco coir, no perlite. About how much run off and how often do you think I should be watering?
I should've picked my plants up more. I got lazy cause I had too many solo cups lol and ended up overwatering in coco.. lesson learned. Really good tip about check their weight bro!
Yeah works great as long as your able to do so. Unfortunately a lot of scenarios won't allow that as they get older. At least coco has that fast dry back time so a little over watering doesn't harm them too bad and corrects themselves pretty quickly
I water every 3/4 days in coco if I watered every day like some people saying I. The comments my plant will look very over watered even though roots still growing cause of the better oxygen you get with coco but you can still very much over water in coco 😃 happy growing
your room RH/Temp, plant size, light intensity and other factors can all play into the rate your plant uses the available water. This is why you hear there is more than 1 right way to grow. That is because depending on your individual factors and/or your ability or inability to control all factors this will cause things to vary for each of us. speaking as a general rule of thing is usually how a approach things to help avoid spouting dogma
According to science, both coco-substrate and -nutrient producers + the best legal growers in the world, it is best and meant to be to keep coco moist via high frequency irrigation running an irrigation system/pumps/drippers/blumats etc.. Coco is a HYDROPONIC SUBSTRATE which has to be handeld like one. You can hand water coco (frequently) but it's not the real deal. Usually you would go for small to medium sized pots that are fully and well rooted. Bigger pots are possible too, but you have to transplant the plants as often as required (to be fully rooted), also running an irrigation system for optimum coco results. Whenever using coco, make sure your pots are fully rooted with healthy, lush and white roots. U do water coco until runoff at least once a day and in summary at least twice a day (one with runoff, one without), where a single irrigation takes place for i.e. half an hour (dripping), sometimes even longer. Some growers even irrigate until runoff multiple times a day. Fully rooted pots + the physical abilitys of the Coco makes all of this possible without running into issues. And always make sure your coco is or has been flushed and pre charged (for those who don't know yet u better look that up). You're welcome.
@@justinholtgrave I just looked that up for you and from what I understand it is a recirculating system. So yes, you can go with that strategy, but it is not the same. You have to read the runoff in that runoff-trays of these autopots daily and adjust the EC/ppm or pH of your solution if there are differences in input and output (output=runoff). It also is a great system. Technically it's an ebb and flow system. Cheers!
How you touched so much on cocoa and didn't mention calmag you're so cocky but you forgot the most important thing about growing in Coco calcium and magnesium LOL and I don't even growing Coco I know that. You're welcome😂
Now who are you? And in between, I mentioned it indirectly at the end, fool. You are just being ignorant and looking for trouble, weirdo.@@kingcola3849
I find just sticking my finger in it works also. if the first one to two inches are dry you need to water it. Also I find putting enough water so you need water every other day has worked for me.
You can also purchase a Moisture meter for about $10. It is hard to overwater Coco. It is used in Hydro so it has to hold a lot of air. Hand watering Coco is actually a Hydro Grow because Coco is an inert medium and all the nutrients come from the feed.
I'm new to this as well. So first time around totally saturate and flood the plant essentially from what I'm hearing. Then after that, you want to have a slow rate of dispersing the water and nutrients in the plant until it just barely starts trickling out down below that's it. At least that's what I've heard.
in a nut shell thats about it. There are multiple methods of course so you will see and read different approaches. For example if you have an irrigation they will do many small feedings at the start of the day to reach full saturation and then space out the remaining.
I like to completely saturate so i know everything is at capacity. this is with my 7 gallons and i can do this once a day at 10% runoff. I now have a drip system so i am dropping back to 5gallons. and will issue 2 or 3 feedings a day. first to saturate and then 1 or 2 small feedings based on the dry back times, to keep the coco at a good moisture level all day. So as you can see it can very greatly based on your watering method, container size or personal preference. This video is a rough guide on how to check easily when first using coco and more so with hand watering since thats how most will be feeding their own gardens. Hope this helps.
Hello, I started learning coco after following you. My question is, does coco have to have nutrients every time it is watered? This way the nutrient solution is used up very quickly.
You could easily grow without perlite. So if its already included its definitely not required to add more. I ran 30%, 20% and more recently 0% perlite in my coco. I did like having it included with those large 7 gallon pots. but leave it out with my current 3 gallon pots.
You can water coco every day Most important things are correct PH and correct EC for the stage the plant is in The other important thing is to make sure at least 20% of the water you USe runs off Letting Coco cycle through wet and dry will work BUT better results will be achieved by daily watering with correct PH, EC and a 20% run of (too waste) to bring medium up to optimal
Dude you couldn't be wrong if it was on purpose..plants NEED the dry period or you will drown the root hairs and when you do that you will get smaller buds and less branching on the plant...the difference is night and day...try it for yourself....extend the dry time of the coco by 1 day and watch your plants explode
Agree. When switching to coco I first used bigger pots ( 7-8 gal), running into numerous issues like pH, EC, rooting. I solved ALL of these issues by switching to smaller pots (like 2-4 gal pots even for 4 foot plants) plus integrating an irrigation system. It allows you getting runoff as often as you want because your pots will be well rooted due to their smaller size in relation. Also the build-ups are much better to controll. You CAN grow coco in big pots but have to make sure you have well rooted pots. Transplanting them a couple of times and you're good to go for big pots too.
My first 3 runs in coco were amazing. I backed off the perlite because I've heard soo many say they use straight coco. Well that was a mistake. I used canna from the bag and it's awful. Can't water enough to get the nutrients they need because it just won't dry out. I had them in solo cups for almost 2 months and thought they were getting root bound or something. I transplanted to 3gal air pots with some perlite and watered them in, wilt city. I'm going to wait and let it dry back until I see the leaves praying again or at least not look soo sad. Some have problems, others are fine but droopy still. It's hard to get clear information without doimg it yourself. I had to make the mistake to learn I guess. I have everything for an automatic watering system even, exactly like on coco for cannabis. My saucers drain to a pump, but not need this time I guess. If I'm only watering every 2 or 3 days I'll do it by hand. Lol
@@Inspiration-Today-2020 Canna Coco pro+ is the best I've ever worked with tbh. Just go for smaller pots or make sure your pots are fully rooted before switching to flower. I don't use perlite anymore, because it is a waste of money and space when growing in coco, also is much cleaner work without. Coco already has all the good properties a substrate can have. It contains by far enough oxygen. For example: you can grow in a 50:50 coco:perlite mix using a 5 gallon pot, or just go coco straight allowing you to use a much smaller pot like 2-3 gallons. Same thing at the end. Long story short: with perlite you are limiting the areas for the roots to grow in. Perlite is better to be used in soils, for that it's a good thing. It's a tip I got from a big legal grower and also something I noticed many legal facility growers do (or don't do in this case).
@@iamhere444 Same, 100% coco for me now. I don't even see a difference compared to when I was running 30% Perlite. Small pots that are fully rooted are key as you can feed them 1 or more times per day with runoff.
idk i've discovered coco coir has a wicking a effect, where as i saturated the medium for my potatoes, and the medium has been moist for over a month now, the water level is finally below the holes in the plastic tub i've placed the container in and i haven't experienced this when growing potatoes. potatoes probably don't use as much water as weed does though, and i haven't experienced dry coco coir for awhile. i do know they are nutrient hungry, but i may have underestimated how much.
Hemp/Cannabis drinks a lot. I hand watered these 7 gallon pots daily. I dropped down to 5Gallon pots now that im on drippers and i water 4 to 5 times a day in smaller spurts. These are fabric pots also so they dry a little faster. But the plant grows extremally fast so the demand is very high.
I'm going to drop my perlite from 20% to 10% see how I like it and might do away with it to allow for a little more water retention. Since the dry it out so fast in mid to late flower.
@@TriStateTrichomes How's 50/50 coco perlite sound for drain to waste from seed to harvest? would love to do that for my first grow 2-3 transplants any advice?
@@antonybirkov2081 I personally would not run that unless i had the setup up on drippers. That amount of perlite will drain and dry so fast you will always need to fertigate to maintain ideal moisture. Maybe for seedlings if you are worried they might get over watered but past that stage i would go with 30% perlite at most. I'm dropping mine to 10% and may switch to full coco once I'm out of perlite.
I actually do 60% coco coir 30% Perlite and 10% Fox Farm Ocean Forest and it seems to hold the water pretty good.. although this is my first time using coco in any aspect..
Not too sure if i'll get an answer but here goes: I'm growing pepper plants, and i don't have a fancy calmag bottle but instead used lime and epsum salt in my coco noir. Used around 5grams of lime and 2 grams of epsum salt per 10 liter of coco. I have no idea what EC i'm supposed to be running on these plants so i'm just making sure the feed at least has a ph below 6.5 (my tap water is.8.3) with fertilizer i have an EC of around 1.8. i feed it once every couple of days with some run-off. Anything i should change? Also how often do i need to give lime (calcium) and epsum salt (magnesium)? And how often do i need to water normally without any feed? Wish there was a book about something like this. Sorry if i sound like an amateur, i am. Thanks in advance.
I dont know much about peppers, or using epsum salt and lime. I would have to resort to google to try and find an answer for you. for EC I would imagine they dont need as much as my plants. So a 1EC would be my personal target and jusdge from there. I would look up nutrient requirements for your specific cultivar and go from there. I know this isnt the best answer, but this is outside of my area of knowledge unfortunately
@@TriStateTrichomes thanks for the swift reply. I did some research and found a diy-calmag solution of 1.6 grams of calcium and 0.8 grams of magnesium per liter. Intend to give the plants a 0.5ml solution (per liter) with every other feeding. No watering, just feeding with a run-off, measuring the run-off ec from time to time. Gonna keep ec at .5 first untill early veg i'll push it to 1-ish maybe up to 1.2, bloom 1.5, while keeping ph at around 6.2 during veg and 5.8 during bloom. Still going to be trial and error, but at least now i have a better idea of what i'm going to try.
I read on the coco for canabis website to fertigate seedlings once a day so i did till i get runoff and i ended up killing some of the plants now i have just transplanted the other ones in 5 gallon fabric pots and im scared of overwatering because they are so young
I am new to coco, always used soil in bags in the past, just about to start my 1st 2 pots grow in coco. So from watching the video and reading the comments below. 1. Everytime I water the pots I should add nutrients? 2. I add water till it starts flowing out of the bottom of the bag? 3. I should water everyday? Is this correct? I am now using ten gallon cloth bags instead of 10 gallon plastic bags.
I feed with every watering. Mix up a bunch at the strength they can handle and you're set. Runoff each time like you mentioned to help keep from salt buildup. Now I will say that 10 gallons is pretty big so you may not be watering everyday. Plants can only drink so fast and unless you have some monsters in those pots then you will probably be at ever other day or every 3rd. Just depends on your situation. Once you start to see them drying on the tops you're pretty much hood to water, assuming your roots have grow into the pot. Usually takes mine a week or so to grow into a new pot.
You water when plants show to be thirsty. You don't want to overwater them. If they wilt then after watering will perk up, but if you overwater then will slow growth and might hurt them. Coco coir can hold tons of water like a sponge so watch out. Especially if plants are younger and less developed. Anyways coco coir is not much different than peat moss, both are soil less.
Container size and material could effect if this is good or if they end up over watering. But I can basically do the same as you once they are large and they love it.
@@Unknown-nikebikie drain to waste means .... you feed it until 15 0r 20 percent comes out of the bottom of the pot.... this idea is based on the plants taking what they want everyday..... and the rest gets flushed out the next day... if you use a cheap nutrient line like maxibloom.. the cost will stay low and will grow hydroponically.... use coco coir as a medium
@@joemama-kx6rk ahhhh thank you I have had about 20% run off but then I tipped it out because I thought it may drown the plant of over water lol thanks tho I’m new to cocoa I’ve switched over from dirt , am growing indoors under leds
i soak my coco/pearlite every 2 days big runoff. 7 gallons in flower gets 4 gallons of nutes every 2 days. veg is about every 3 days, unless rootbound and in need of transplant then its every day feed. my strains can take super agressive feeds tho.
I was going through 10 to 15 gallons of feed a day. I'm at 5 gallon pots now with droppers and I'm at 10 gals a day max. So nice not needing so much water h
Well..I've listened, and watched the video...read the comments also....so I guess underwatering it is ...that's the culprit in my case. But yes...over watering is a fear. And to those who water daily....what size container? Cause if you water til run off each time Ive had dice game luck with that
I was watering to runoff in 7gallon fabric pots. Every other day to every day, depending on the plants need. as long as you allow for a sufficient dry back you shouldnt have any problems in any size container. i was hand watering at the time and chose larger containers to prevent having to water multiple times a day. I am in a smaller size with irrigation now.
You said not different than watering in soil, like from dry to waste, what important we need to know is irrigation schedule or auto watering set up of your, coco diffent from soil because it need to watering often, and how much is often for a day?
So you want the soil to nearly completely dry out before you water again? My fox farms coco loco suggest watering every 2-3 days. I am starting out every 3 days then I plan to switch to every other day. I am just worried that the soil in the middle isn't drying out completely before I am adding more water every 3 days. I am using 3 gal fabric pots btw. Thanks
Growing in coco/ perlite requires high frequency irrigation systems due to coco coir needs for calmag you should never let you coco coir run dry this will result in nutrient lock out the frequent dosage of calmag will definitely antagonize other macro nutrients remember the drier Coco coir become the less soluble nutrients are and the less soluble nutrients are the higher you media ec/ ppm will be Everyone should strive to learn vegatative an generative growing its important
@Tri-State Trichomes , bro mix by plagron cocos/perlite 70/30 its good? 1)Is there anything to add? 2) in the same mix (coconut + perlite) can I germinate seeds? 3) What is the best fertilizer? Thank so much
Never ran that myself but 70/30 is as good mix for extra drainage. you should not need to add anything and coco is fine to germinate in. But i personally prefer to germinate in a cloner with a rooter cube so better control moisture levels.
@@TriStateTrichomes What should the cube be made of so it can be transplanted to coco/perlit 70/30? will mineral wool work? or should it also be coco? So that when the time comes, a whole cube can be put in a 19litre pot coco/perlit 70/30 (fem, photo ) .
Hey, I need some help. Will basils grow better since I used 1/8 pumice for one part of that potting mix which have coco coir and just a thin layer of worm casting(It have kelp and volcano dust in it, so i dont put too much of it so i avoid burning the roots?) My basils have sprouted but I'm not sure if I'm watering them right. I'm using a 6in drainage pot. I have water until I see little water in the drainage, then I wait daily to water again. I'm not sure if coco coir should be wet or moist but it seems heavier than before but had got a little lighter when I waited a day. I hope you can help me with your pro tips because I don't wanna drown the plants since coco retains so much moisture as said and idk if the amount of pumice was right because it takes a few times to lightly water it to see it drain down a little.
I've been liking watering my plants in good and slow. I'll give them a good shot of water and move on to the next until I get all the way back around to the plant I started watering. Before I start watering (2nd pass) again I like to give the pots a good lift like you mentioned and I can usually tell by weight if I'll need more or less on the 2nd time around watering. Plant size and genetics will definitely play a role in watering more or less. Are you strictly using Mills/Athena this run? or are you adding anything like microbes or anything else? Great content dude really like your video's keep it up!
@@TriStateTrichomes power si is next for me on my list for sure! You should check out Tribus. I've noticed crazy root growth especially from seedling/clone through veg. grow is looking good man. hope I can get the pro line dialed in. still working out some kinks.
@@TriStateTrichomes yessir... it is super concentrated. pretty pricey but it goes a long way. I'll be looking forward to that video. saving money is good especially nowadays!
Respect ! So , im in mid veg stage and I'm first time growing in Coco ! From a week now my girls making claws , TACO up and down , and the big fan leaves twisting from the stems 180 degrees ! Can anyone tell me the reason ?? I was thinking is from the lights so I put them 120 cm high - nothing changed ! I lower them to 50 % - again nothing changed ! I stopped feed them for 2 days - again getting worse ! I skipped one day of watering - still worse ! Please guys tell me especially for this sign of twisting the big fan leaves 180 degrees ( I think happened after watering but not sure ) : (
@MrAzzazaa I try to sort by new sometimes and see if I can't help someone out. Did you know about the Photone app? It's a free app that measures the photosynthetic active radiation (PAR) from your light? And Daily Light Intregal? The importance of Vapor Pressure Defecit? What happens with low or high humidity?
According to Coco for Cannabis you're not supposed to let it get less than 90% saturated and should water multiple times per day in flower and get 10-20% runoff each time I guess there are more ways of doing it.
90% dry seems very dry. 10% to 20% runoff seems like a lot of wasted nutrients. there are multiple ways to do things of course. but i think you can be a little more efficient and waste less water/ nutrients. generally you want your dry backs to be between 15% to 35% depending on what phase you are in and if you are crop steering. But to keep it simple, just water and only let it dry back 15%-20%. if this requires multiple waterings a day you can do that as well. if you are watering by hand that may not be ideal and you can do similar to what i have done and run larger pots so that i only need once a day at most and can even get away with every other day in those large 7 gallons. i think i might have gotten to every second day when they are smaller and not grown into the larger pot size yet. each person situation is different and i think customizing to what fits you best will be the best choice instead of a 1 size fits all.
How much Canna a&b for week 2 from seed? I used 1ml per litre and calmag 5 ml per litre in a 10 litre drum at 20degs. Pots not drying quick enough under SF1000evo but not too bad. Its only 21 to 22degs under it on full.
week two? like 1.2-1.4ml of A&B. 5ml per liter is WAAAAY too much. Are you using RO water? If you're using RO water, then use about 0.4ml/L for seedling water. (I start my seeds in peat pellets) you may want to increase to 0.5ml/L if you're using coco to germinate seeds. What's your VPD? If it's too humid, the plant won't respirate properly. If you have low humidity the plant will suck up the water super quick.
@jobcentrepuss7545 learn about VPD. Watch tons of videos and read about it so you really understand it. 75% would probably be okay in veg if your temperature is 90. Don't have your temp at 90.
For the most part yes. But not always. How large your pot size is, how much drainage from perlite or additives will change this and also the size of the plant.
@@stangcobra592 I actually found a powder per Professor Bruce Bugbee's statement on a video he did a while back. It makes all of this dirt cheap for me now. I actually have a video up going over different forms of silica and i touch on this and my use of it. I also show how i mix it in on another video as well. Huge money saver for me
yes i have over watered in coco. its much more difficult but its still a risk. You need to either extend your dry back times between each feeding or you can mix in more perlite to help with drainage.
Could be a combo thing salt build up and overwatering. I would suggest a feed, water, water cycle every other day. Feed Sunday, Water Tuesday and Thursday in time you'll learn more and often different approaches. @@TriStateTrichomes
I have to respectively disagree to a degree. I water coco daily for a few reasons. The ph of a healthy root zone will rise, and could rise out of range. The roots want that O2 injection, as well as certain nutrients daily. Coco holds 10 times the O2 as soil, andvwhen watered at 67 degrees f, the RZ is receiving 10's the O2 as the nutrient solution would if fed at 77f. The only time I won't feed everyday everyday, is after upotting, as coco can be overwateres until the roots are developed
@@justinholtgraveonly if u never topfeed water because the salts would build up at the top of the plant pot - while using the ac infinity as a bottom feeding device. I love the ac infinity pots and I use them without the wicks, just because they collect so much more run off , I also use an additional riser with them
If the plant hasn't grown into the pot and it's fresh coco I would water to runoff simply to ensure its fully soaked. The next watering most likely won't be for days. It would not be crucial to water to run off that second time or even 3rd (depending on what EC you're feeding). But I. A week or so your plant should have grown into the new space and watering to runoff I would recommend in coco unless watering a lower EC otherwise you media EC builds too high and you want to keep the nutrients balanced in the root zone. Plants don't take them all up at the same time so if you don't have runoff to keep them from building up you can have an abundance of nutrients not needed. Coco tends to run a much higher ec than soil so that's why you don't see that same approach used as often in a soil grow.
@@TriStateTrichomes yep yep, I usually feed twice everyday to reduce water use and keep the pots 99% wet almost all day. For me the plants on this video are BADLY dried, to take those to full wet again is a waste of water
@@bloodbeats -always water with nutes (feed) until flush -feed everytime pot gets to about 95% wet, so you make sure most of the time the port its fully saturated -always produce runoff, and remove it quick -for a 1L pot feed 50 ml, u can do your math with your pot size -dont change nute amounts (except for some encymes here and then) depending on flower, veg, preflower... thats all bullshit. Plants dont really adjust to all that micro-adjustments -dont use a lot of products, vpd control is what give you all those properties that bottles fake promise you (bigger, frostier and tastier results). Follow jungle boys and thena for extended explanation on this cuz gets really deep. -use reverse osmosis water, filter is about 150euro and u can install in most kitchens in 15 mins -nail ec and ph in your feeding solution hope it helped mate
I Is use a wooden Kebab stick. Push to bottom of pot and pull out again. Then feel the stick for the moisture level...I touch my lip with it for a finer reading.
Coco should be watered daily. If you're not watering coco daily then you're not doing it right. I'm in a 5 gallon pot and I feed every day in the morning 2 liters. I used to do 1 but now she needs 2. I always feed too unless my ppm runoff comes out higher than what I put in. You don't pick up your pot every day you simply water every day period. And push lots of calmag. Coco will absorb calmag like crazy and led lights also burn thru it. Your coco should be 90 to 100 percent saturated at all times.
@nkxzombietrix1897 can you help me? I’m using pro mix hpcc which is coco peat moss and perlite in 4 gallon pots. This is my 1st time using this substrate. Plants are currently 5 weeks old from seed and are between 12-18 inches tall. I watered each plant with 1L of water yesterday but got no run off. How often do you water to run off using a coco mix? And how much water would it take to get run off in a 4 gallon pot? 1L of water seems like a lot for the size of my plants right now and it seems like it takes a few days before the substrate dries back enough for another watering . I’m worried a lockout could be happening Any help would be appreciated!
@Amish_AF what is your ppm and ec going in? I'm in a 5 gallon fabric pot and I water twice a day. 1 gallon in morning and 1 gallon at night. You can easily get away with 1 gallon in the morning but I like to keep it saturated. Right now I'm feeding 830ppm, 1.7 ec and 5.8 ph. I test my runoff and the ppm and ec is exactly what I'm putting in. If it ever goes up over 100 I'll flush with 1 gallon of water with calmag. I always use ro water. I never check my ph runoff in coco because that's like trying I catch a ghost it's never gonna be accurate. Did you soak your coco with calmag prior to planting?
@Amish_AF that being said with you being in promix I would let it dry out before watering but if you're not getting runoff you're getting build up and definitely lockout. You could flush with water and calmag only to get back on track. You never wanna depleat coco of calmag completely
@@nkxzombietrix1897 I have a ph pen and an ec meter coming in the mail soon. This is my 2nd grow ever so I’m still getting into the swing of things. You’ll have to forgive my ignorance on some things plz. I will test the ph and ec before feeding. How do I test ppm? I’m nervous to water so much at once.. How much water would a 4 gallon pot need to get run off? I didn’t soak my substrate with cal mag prior but I will make sure to use cal mag when flushing ty for that! With my substrate being coco peat moss perlite , why should my ec ph and ppm be? This is uncharted territory for me but I’m ready!
Respectfully, lifting pots everyday is a lot of work, but I believe w time the grower will learn his environment(heat, humidity and watering cycle) after a while it will be second nature. Now approach correct but exhausting...
I water everyday in Coco even started from ceilings The key is to have small pots I start them off in little cups then I put them in medium sized cups then I put them in one gallon from 1 gallons I stay in three run off every day I keep the PPM somewhat's low in the beginning then every week I go up little by little never had a problem and explosive growth night and day anybody has a question just ask I love to help growers I'm using Flora flex the way I do it it's just like hydro no difference it's a pain in the butt to empty all the trays though but I'm going to set up a flood table in a water system I'll be good as gold My last thing I want to say when I was growing in soil used to take me a month to see Roots come out the bottom of the cup two and a half weeks maybe two Bruce are coming out the bottom of the cup
@@TriStateTrichomes I'm looking to get the Mother Earth 70/30 coco and perlite. Should run water through it first? And how do I know if it rinsed enough?
@@ClearWater7.62 i personally think 70/30 is too much drainage. I mix my own and have more recently done without the perlite now that i have irrigation. But on the bag it will tell you its rinsed and buffered. you may want to "charge" the coco by letting it soak in a nutrient solution unless the bag says this has been done already. Its to help avoid deficiencies since coco can hold onto nutrients at first.
they are on Amazon but expensive. I found them for only a few dollars each at seaofgreen.com and my local hydro shop. Cant remember what they are called to be honest. they come in a bunch of sizes and really help to keep you from sitting in the runnoff
thats not a bad idea. only issue i think would be the weight of the plant and its roots throwing you off compared to a dry pot without a plant. but it would give you a rough idea. im on board
This would be ideal but most do not. I am testing a cheap sensor from amazon to see how its readings compare to what i know my normal schedule is. just too see where i would fall and if i feel it is accurate. What sensor are you using?
Coco should be viewed as semi hydro....it's best kept moist and not left to dry in the traditional feed and starve way. Imagine you have loaded your pots, with you fresh bag of coco, and it's in the bath in a 16l pot. It has some moisture from being in a sealed bag, so well call that level one moister. You put 8L through it to buffer. so it's saturated but draining on a baking tray....after about 20 minutes, it stops dripping. what you have left is level five moisture level. Coco should be kept at level two and above, so I good watering will taking it to level 3-4 .... level 3 is optimum Best way of Judging Moisture, Is use a wooden Kebab stick. Push to bottom of pot and pull out again. Then feel the stick for the moisture level...I touch my lip with it for a finer reading.
@@Topsrite No ,,,coco isn't hydro...it is semi hydro as I already correctly stated. Hydro pumps the feed round the roots continuously. You can add enzymes and microbes, that will compost the roots in the coco as they die off, break them down and add to the plant nutrient base. hydro requires slightly lower PH band than coco, with organic wanting slightly higher PH than coco.
Why would you let your coco dry back??? This doesn't make sense coco you can keep saturated, and still get air to the roots. You are causing your coco to have high ec you need to furtigate it alot more than soil every day of the week. If you keep it saturated it will go alot better.
I agree with you for the most part. In large pots 5 or 7 gallon or when plants are smaller you can still over water in coco. It is mush more difficult. but still possible. or root rot can happen which i have done once in the past. i believe after this video was made. But compared to soil you keep it bery wet. dry back maybe 30% give or take depending on where in the plants life you are is my go to.
@@TriStateTrichomes Yes your correct if you have a small root system in a big pot of coco it will not work out as the roots will goto the areas of the pot with the most oxygen leaving the areas without it stagnet and ripe for root rot. The key is to not grow a small root structure in a big pot, but this applies to any and all mediums.
@@TriStateTrichomes not sad but you can tell because they go from praying to sagging a little you want those dry back periods with soil the roots love it.
@@growersplus oh of course. Soil just has a longer dry back time. Coco shaves times off. Helps but means more work unfortunately. I'll see your organic soil videos soon so I can just send people there.
Tried to make it for those just starting that have the ability to do so. I should probably make an updated video for auto feeding and high frequency fertigation. Also if using measuring instruments
your supposed to water coco daily to a 10 percent runoff coco does not have the same cation exchange that soil does so it is needed watering daily but if not every other day for sure i have acheived 22 oz plants watering every other day and tie down your plants as soo as they start growing verticle for quantitys of bud
Why is it these UA-cam gurus are so smart they know better than the creators. Even on the packet of all the coco iv used says high irrigation , treat coco as hydro , only have a 5% dry back . But I’m sure this home grower with 5 plants knows better lol . Come back to me when you’ve grown perpetual 1000 plant crops year after year . I water 6 times a day , mass yields , you won’t get fukn wilting in coco from over watering this guy knows nothing .
This dude 😂 I love it “you know what go ahead and water it” me when I tell people this is not recommended professionally but this is how I do things lol.
Hahaha exactly.
I grow in 2 gallon pots, & I water 3x per day. First time I’ve used coco coir, after 30 years using expanded clay balls.
I had issues early & the plants looked as though they were overwatered. I held off watering but there was no change in the stunted growth.
I saw a guy on UA-cam suggesting “it’s impossible to drown a Cannibus plant or DWC wouldn’t work.”
It made sense, & so I began watering them until runoff, & the plants responded immediately.
Water them often, don’t allow the water in the pot to go stagnant. Plants draw all the oxygen they need from freshly introduced nutrient mix. Absolutely recommend running air stones & H2O2 is also a huge benefit when using coco coir
Run air stones in coco?!? Explain please
@@dodge1137I run air stones in the nutrient reservoir. The cooler you can keep the nutrient solution, the more oxygen it will hold
I’m having this issue right now. In half gallon pots (early veg), and was watering daily. Showing signs of overwatering , so I skipped a day. Watered , and now they’re showing worse signs of over watering. I do not understand. This is my first grow in coco - was going extremely smooth until all the sudden she started wilting after getting watered , and leaf tips pointing down. I just don’t get it though. How can I go until my VWC is 16% before watering - but it’s still overwatered. Coco doesn’t make sense to me.
Thanks gang I been using cocoa and treating it as it’s soil because I didn’t wanna drown it. I’m seeing great results now thank you
Yeah water the sh!t out of coco. unless you are in a very large pot its tough to over due it and you will get amazing growth
@@TriStateTrichomeswhat about if I'm growing autos in coco loco in 3 gallons and they are about 2 weeks old?
@@tman8023 if they are only 2 weeks old i cant imagine the coco is even starting to dry out for a couple days. the roots havent expanded. if the coco looks soaking wet still. wait. once they grow into the pot you will be able to water twice daily if not more depending on size and demand.
@@TriStateTrichomesthat's a good advice.
Thanks bro, this helped a lot. I have been thinking I was overwatering for quite some time. Definitely realizing I have been doing the opposite.
Once the roots have grown into the coco it's pretty hard to overrated. Especially in fabric pots. I've only had it happen when I first transplant and most of the medium has no roots. Or in the plastic bag containers that were not draining well.
@@TriStateTrichomesHand watering Coco Coir actually is Hydroponic Growing. Coco is as you know an inert medium and is used in Hydro growing in some cases.
So the only thing missing is the pump and the timer and that doesn't make it Hydroponic or not. But using an inert medium and feeding nutrients does.
@@GMT439 Could you give me some advice on watering? I have mine in 3 gallon fabric pots of straight coco coir, no perlite. About how much run off and how often do you think I should be watering?
@@BigChief710 how many times a day did you water your plants?
I should've picked my plants up more. I got lazy cause I had too many solo cups lol and ended up overwatering in coco.. lesson learned. Really good tip about check their weight bro!
Yeah works great as long as your able to do so. Unfortunately a lot of scenarios won't allow that as they get older. At least coco has that fast dry back time so a little over watering doesn't harm them too bad and corrects themselves pretty quickly
I water every 3/4 days in coco if I watered every day like some people saying I. The comments my plant will look very over watered even though roots still growing cause of the better oxygen you get with coco but you can still very much over water in coco 😃 happy growing
your room RH/Temp, plant size, light intensity and other factors can all play into the rate your plant uses the available water. This is why you hear there is more than 1 right way to grow. That is because depending on your individual factors and/or your ability or inability to control all factors this will cause things to vary for each of us. speaking as a general rule of thing is usually how a approach things to help avoid spouting dogma
@@TriStateTrichomes of course!
That's talent! If I waited that long, my plant would be dead!
You can’t overwater in coco, I could run 5 litres through 1 pot and it wouldn’t affect it
According to science, both coco-substrate and -nutrient producers + the best legal growers in the world, it is best and meant to be to keep coco moist via high frequency irrigation running an irrigation system/pumps/drippers/blumats etc.. Coco is a HYDROPONIC SUBSTRATE which has to be handeld like one. You can hand water coco (frequently) but it's not the real deal. Usually you would go for small to medium sized pots that are fully and well rooted. Bigger pots are possible too, but you have to transplant the plants as often as required (to be fully rooted), also running an irrigation system for optimum coco results. Whenever using coco, make sure your pots are fully rooted with healthy, lush and white roots. U do water coco until runoff at least once a day and in summary at least twice a day (one with runoff, one without), where a single irrigation takes place for i.e. half an hour (dripping), sometimes even longer. Some growers even irrigate until runoff multiple times a day. Fully rooted pots + the physical abilitys of the Coco makes all of this possible without running into issues. And always make sure your coco is or has been flushed and pre charged (for those who don't know yet u better look that up). You're welcome.
Mr mj coco is that u? 😂
Would an auto watering base like Ac infinity's work instead?
@@justinholtgrave I just looked that up for you and from what I understand it is a recirculating system. So yes, you can go with that strategy, but it is not the same. You have to read the runoff in that runoff-trays of these autopots daily and adjust the EC/ppm or pH of your solution if there are differences in input and output (output=runoff). It also is a great system. Technically it's an ebb and flow system. Cheers!
How you touched so much on cocoa and didn't mention calmag you're so cocky but you forgot the most important thing about growing in Coco calcium and magnesium LOL and I don't even growing Coco I know that. You're welcome😂
Now who are you? And in between, I mentioned it indirectly at the end, fool. You are just being ignorant and looking for trouble, weirdo.@@kingcola3849
I find just sticking my finger in it works also. if the first one to two inches are dry you need to water it. Also I find putting enough water so you need water every other day has worked for me.
my plants drink too much for that once they kick off in flower
You can also purchase a Moisture meter for about $10. It is hard to overwater Coco. It is used in Hydro so it has to hold a lot of air.
Hand watering Coco is actually a Hydro Grow because Coco is an inert medium and all the nutrients come from the feed.
I'm new to this as well. So first time around totally saturate and flood the plant essentially from what I'm hearing. Then after that, you want to have a slow rate of dispersing the water and nutrients in the plant until it just barely starts trickling out down below that's it. At least that's what I've heard.
in a nut shell thats about it. There are multiple methods of course so you will see and read different approaches. For example if you have an irrigation they will do many small feedings at the start of the day to reach full saturation and then space out the remaining.
I like to completely saturate so i know everything is at capacity. this is with my 7 gallons and i can do this once a day at 10% runoff. I now have a drip system so i am dropping back to 5gallons. and will issue 2 or 3 feedings a day. first to saturate and then 1 or 2 small feedings based on the dry back times, to keep the coco at a good moisture level all day. So as you can see it can very greatly based on your watering method, container size or personal preference. This video is a rough guide on how to check easily when first using coco and more so with hand watering since thats how most will be feeding their own gardens. Hope this helps.
Just wilted my plant in a coco experiment bounced back quickly thank you
Hello, I started learning coco after following you. My question is, does coco have to have nutrients every time it is watered? This way the nutrient solution is used up very quickly.
Yes! I found that out the hard way! 😂
Beat tutorial ever, bro! Thank you very much
I just got mother's earth coco with Perlite! Do I need to add more Perlite or leave it alone? Thanks for your knowledge and advice 👍 peace ✌️ ☮️
You could easily grow without perlite. So if its already included its definitely not required to add more. I ran 30%, 20% and more recently 0% perlite in my coco. I did like having it included with those large 7 gallon pots. but leave it out with my current 3 gallon pots.
@@TriStateTrichomes thanks
You can water coco every day
Most important things are correct PH and correct EC for the stage the plant is in
The other important thing is to make sure at least 20% of the water you USe runs off
Letting Coco cycle through wet and dry will work BUT better results will be achieved by daily watering with correct PH, EC and a 20% run of (too waste) to bring medium up to optimal
Dude you couldn't be wrong if it was on purpose..plants NEED the dry period or you will drown the root hairs and when you do that you will get smaller buds and less branching on the plant...the difference is night and day...try it for yourself....extend the dry time of the coco by 1 day and watch your plants explode
Agree. When switching to coco I first used bigger pots ( 7-8 gal), running into numerous issues like pH, EC, rooting. I solved ALL of these issues by switching to smaller pots (like 2-4 gal pots even for 4 foot plants) plus integrating an irrigation system. It allows you getting runoff as often as you want because your pots will be well rooted due to their smaller size in relation. Also the build-ups are much better to controll. You CAN grow coco in big pots but have to make sure you have well rooted pots. Transplanting them a couple of times and you're good to go for big pots too.
My first 3 runs in coco were amazing. I backed off the perlite because I've heard soo many say they use straight coco. Well that was a mistake. I used canna from the bag and it's awful. Can't water enough to get the nutrients they need because it just won't dry out. I had them in solo cups for almost 2 months and thought they were getting root bound or something. I transplanted to 3gal air pots with some perlite and watered them in, wilt city. I'm going to wait and let it dry back until I see the leaves praying again or at least not look soo sad. Some have problems, others are fine but droopy still. It's hard to get clear information without doimg it yourself. I had to make the mistake to learn I guess. I have everything for an automatic watering system even, exactly like on coco for cannabis. My saucers drain to a pump, but not need this time I guess. If I'm only watering every 2 or 3 days I'll do it by hand. Lol
@@Inspiration-Today-2020 Canna Coco pro+ is the best I've ever worked with tbh. Just go for smaller pots or make sure your pots are fully rooted before switching to flower. I don't use perlite anymore, because it is a waste of money and space when growing in coco, also is much cleaner work without. Coco already has all the good properties a substrate can have. It contains by far enough oxygen. For example: you can grow in a 50:50 coco:perlite mix using a 5 gallon pot, or just go coco straight allowing you to use a much smaller pot like 2-3 gallons. Same thing at the end. Long story short: with perlite you are limiting the areas for the roots to grow in. Perlite is better to be used in soils, for that it's a good thing.
It's a tip I got from a big legal grower and also something I noticed many legal facility growers do (or don't do in this case).
@@iamhere444 Same, 100% coco for me now. I don't even see a difference compared to when I was running 30% Perlite. Small pots that are fully rooted are key as you can feed them 1 or more times per day with runoff.
idk i've discovered coco coir has a wicking a effect, where as i saturated the medium for my potatoes, and the medium has been moist for over a month now, the water level is finally below the holes in the plastic tub i've placed the container in and i haven't experienced this when growing potatoes. potatoes probably don't use as much water as weed does though, and i haven't experienced dry coco coir for awhile. i do know they are nutrient hungry, but i may have underestimated how much.
Hemp/Cannabis drinks a lot. I hand watered these 7 gallon pots daily. I dropped down to 5Gallon pots now that im on drippers and i water 4 to 5 times a day in smaller spurts. These are fabric pots also so they dry a little faster. But the plant grows extremally fast so the demand is very high.
Tomatos have to be watered ALOT. Up to 6L a day, depending on strains and size you aiming for.
Gonna be referencing this video when I make the switch for sure.
I'm going to drop my perlite from 20% to 10% see how I like it and might do away with it to allow for a little more water retention. Since the dry it out so fast in mid to late flower.
@@TriStateTrichomes I think that's a good idea have you ever thought of maybe adding like ten percent peat moss or vermiculite to hold water?
@@TriStateTrichomes How's 50/50 coco perlite sound for drain to waste from seed to harvest? would love to do that for my first grow 2-3 transplants any advice?
@@antonybirkov2081 I personally would not run that unless i had the setup up on drippers. That amount of perlite will drain and dry so fast you will always need to fertigate to maintain ideal moisture. Maybe for seedlings if you are worried they might get over watered but past that stage i would go with 30% perlite at most. I'm dropping mine to 10% and may switch to full coco once I'm out of perlite.
I actually do 60% coco coir 30% Perlite and 10% Fox Farm Ocean Forest and it seems to hold the water pretty good.. although this is my first time using coco in any aspect..
Not too sure if i'll get an answer but here goes:
I'm growing pepper plants, and i don't have a fancy calmag bottle but instead used lime and epsum salt in my coco noir. Used around 5grams of lime and 2 grams of epsum salt per 10 liter of coco.
I have no idea what EC i'm supposed to be running on these plants so i'm just making sure the feed at least has a ph below 6.5 (my tap water is.8.3) with fertilizer i have an EC of around 1.8. i feed it once every couple of days with some run-off. Anything i should change? Also how often do i need to give lime (calcium) and epsum salt (magnesium)? And how often do i need to water normally without any feed? Wish there was a book about something like this. Sorry if i sound like an amateur, i am. Thanks in advance.
I dont know much about peppers, or using epsum salt and lime. I would have to resort to google to try and find an answer for you. for EC I would imagine they dont need as much as my plants. So a 1EC would be my personal target and jusdge from there. I would look up nutrient requirements for your specific cultivar and go from there. I know this isnt the best answer, but this is outside of my area of knowledge unfortunately
@@TriStateTrichomes thanks for the swift reply. I did some research and found a diy-calmag solution of 1.6 grams of calcium and 0.8 grams of magnesium per liter. Intend to give the plants a 0.5ml solution (per liter) with every other feeding. No watering, just feeding with a run-off, measuring the run-off ec from time to time. Gonna keep ec at .5 first untill early veg i'll push it to 1-ish maybe up to 1.2, bloom 1.5, while keeping ph at around 6.2 during veg and 5.8 during bloom. Still going to be trial and error, but at least now i have a better idea of what i'm going to try.
I read on the coco for canabis website to fertigate seedlings once a day so i did till i get runoff and i ended up killing some of the plants now i have just transplanted the other ones in 5 gallon fabric pots and im scared of overwatering because they are so young
I am new to coco, always used soil in bags in the past, just about to start my 1st 2 pots grow in coco.
So from watching the video and reading the comments below.
1. Everytime I water the pots I should add nutrients?
2. I add water till it starts flowing out of the bottom of the bag?
3. I should water everyday?
Is this correct?
I am now using ten gallon cloth bags instead of 10 gallon plastic bags.
I feed with every watering. Mix up a bunch at the strength they can handle and you're set. Runoff each time like you mentioned to help keep from salt buildup. Now I will say that 10 gallons is pretty big so you may not be watering everyday. Plants can only drink so fast and unless you have some monsters in those pots then you will probably be at ever other day or every 3rd. Just depends on your situation. Once you start to see them drying on the tops you're pretty much hood to water, assuming your roots have grow into the pot. Usually takes mine a week or so to grow into a new pot.
@@TriStateTrichomes Thanks I will try out what you have suggested.
@@mrjohnpmuir Best of luck to you
When fighting high humidity in a tent, which medium would you recommend? Is there a difference in evaporation?
love your videos can you please tell me what brand of coco you use and is it buffered thanks
You water when plants show to be thirsty. You don't want to overwater them. If they wilt then after watering will perk up, but if you overwater then will slow growth and might hurt them. Coco coir can hold tons of water like a sponge so watch out. Especially if plants are younger and less developed. Anyways coco coir is not much different than peat moss, both are soil less.
I feed everyday . Drain to waste.. never had an issue
Container size and material could effect if this is good or if they end up over watering. But I can basically do the same as you once they are large and they love it.
Coco is hydro , stupid video. You water lots of times small amount each time . Learn it love it teach it 😊
Hey mate what do u mean by drain to waste?
@@Unknown-nikebikie drain to waste means .... you feed it until 15 0r 20 percent comes out of the bottom of the pot.... this idea is based on the plants taking what they want everyday..... and the rest gets flushed out the next day... if you use a cheap nutrient line like maxibloom.. the cost will stay low and will grow hydroponically.... use coco coir as a medium
@@joemama-kx6rk ahhhh thank you I have had about 20% run off but then I tipped it out because I thought it may drown the plant of over water lol thanks tho I’m new to cocoa I’ve switched over from dirt , am growing indoors under leds
So would you save it’s safe to water coco every other day?
In coco sometimes you need to water 3 times a day. Just depends on container size and plant size. gotta keep it wet.
i soak my coco/pearlite every 2 days big runoff. 7 gallons in flower gets 4 gallons of nutes every 2 days. veg is about every 3 days, unless rootbound and in need of transplant then its every day feed. my strains can take super agressive feeds tho.
I was going through 10 to 15 gallons of feed a day. I'm at 5 gallon pots now with droppers and I'm at 10 gals a day max. So nice not needing so much water h
Just get a moister meter if you want to sleep good at night.
You will learn your girls as you go.
Love this shit with a passion.
Well..I've listened, and watched the video...read the comments also....so I guess underwatering it is ...that's the culprit in my case. But yes...over watering is a fear. And to those who water daily....what size container? Cause if you water til run off each time Ive had dice game luck with that
I was watering to runoff in 7gallon fabric pots. Every other day to every day, depending on the plants need. as long as you allow for a sufficient dry back you shouldnt have any problems in any size container. i was hand watering at the time and chose larger containers to prevent having to water multiple times a day. I am in a smaller size with irrigation now.
Have you ever thought of using a moisture meter?.
You said not different than watering in soil, like from dry to waste, what important we need to know is irrigation schedule or auto watering set up of your, coco diffent from soil because it need to watering often, and how much is often for a day?
I dont understand the question
I have coco but I don't want to check in and water every day... what is the best amendment?
you might want to consider switching to soil. or use a very large pot size, which isnt always ideal due to dry back timing.
So you want the soil to nearly completely dry out before you water again? My fox farms coco loco suggest watering every 2-3 days. I am starting out every 3 days then I plan to switch to every other day.
I am just worried that the soil in the middle isn't drying out completely before I am adding more water every 3 days. I am using 3 gal fabric pots btw. Thanks
Coco should never dry out. Soil yes but coco should be 90 to 100 percent saturated at all times. Water daily in coco
@@nkxzombietrix1897that's a recipe to overwater.
Growing in coco/ perlite requires high frequency irrigation systems due to coco coir needs for calmag you should never let you coco coir run dry this will result in nutrient lock out the frequent dosage of calmag will definitely antagonize other macro nutrients remember the drier Coco coir become the less soluble nutrients are and the less soluble nutrients are the higher you media ec/ ppm will be
Everyone should strive to learn vegatative an generative growing its important
Really helpful mate appreciate it.
@Tri-State Trichomes , bro mix by plagron cocos/perlite 70/30 its good?
1)Is there anything to add?
2) in the same mix (coconut + perlite) can I germinate seeds?
3) What is the best fertilizer?
Thank so much
Never ran that myself but 70/30 is as good mix for extra drainage. you should not need to add anything and coco is fine to germinate in. But i personally prefer to germinate in a cloner with a rooter cube so better control moisture levels.
@@TriStateTrichomes What should the cube be made of so it can be transplanted to coco/perlit 70/30? will mineral wool work? or should it also be coco? So that when the time comes, a whole cube can be put in a 19litre pot coco/perlit 70/30 (fem, photo ) .
I’ve been using 60/20/20 of coco/perlite/worm castings and 7 part general hydroponics nutrients and my girls are growing crazy this year
Plagron premix us awesome coco mix.
Buffer with calmag 250ppm and base nutes - 500ppm/1ec.
Hey, I need some help. Will basils grow better since I used 1/8 pumice for one part of that potting mix which have coco coir and just a thin layer of worm casting(It have kelp and volcano dust in it, so i dont put too much of it so i avoid burning the roots?) My basils have sprouted but I'm not sure if I'm watering them right. I'm using a 6in drainage pot. I have water until I see little water in the drainage, then I wait daily to water again. I'm not sure if coco coir should be wet or moist but it seems heavier than before but had got a little lighter when I waited a day. I hope you can help me with your pro tips because I don't wanna drown the plants since coco retains so much moisture as said and idk if the amount of pumice was right because it takes a few times to lightly water it to see it drain down a little.
coco should always be moist but not soaking wet. generally it hold the correct ratio very well so you can water frequently.
Cheers my brother one love
Good shit man! Love the constant support.
Do u have to put perlight in your coco ? Or can u just do with out
I've been liking watering my plants in good and slow. I'll give them a good shot of water and move on to the next until I get all the way back around to the plant I started watering. Before I start watering (2nd pass) again I like to give the pots a good lift like you mentioned and I can usually tell by weight if I'll need more or less on the 2nd time around watering. Plant size and genetics will definitely play a role in watering more or less. Are you strictly using Mills/Athena this run? or are you adding anything like microbes or anything else? Great content dude really like your video's keep it up!
Sounds like a good approach. Waterering in multiple passes to make sure it's good and gives rime for absorption and not just running straight through.
I run power si with Athena as a silicic acid to match mills since it has one.
@@TriStateTrichomes power si is next for me on my list for sure! You should check out Tribus. I've noticed crazy root growth especially from seedling/clone through veg. grow is looking good man. hope I can get the pro line dialed in. still working out some kinks.
@@rhai8879 whats tribus? Microbes? I have a video I'm doing soon on how to get silicate for container growing and save massive amounts.
@@TriStateTrichomes yessir... it is super concentrated. pretty pricey but it goes a long way. I'll be looking forward to that video. saving money is good especially nowadays!
Yep I agree 100%
Respect ! So , im in mid veg stage and I'm first time growing in Coco ! From a week now my girls making claws , TACO up and down , and the big fan leaves twisting from the stems 180 degrees ! Can anyone tell me the reason ?? I was thinking is from the lights so I put them 120 cm high - nothing changed ! I lower them to 50 % - again nothing changed ! I stopped feed them for 2 days - again getting worse ! I skipped one day of watering - still worse ! Please guys tell me especially for this sign of twisting the big fan leaves 180 degrees ( I think happened after watering but not sure ) : (
Too much light. The fan leaves are trying to hide from the light.
@@everennui1 I wish you wrote this before weeks . I already figure it out but was little late :(
@MrAzzazaa I try to sort by new sometimes and see if I can't help someone out. Did you know about the Photone app? It's a free app that measures the photosynthetic active radiation (PAR) from your light? And Daily Light Intregal? The importance of Vapor Pressure Defecit? What happens with low or high humidity?
@@everennui1 I don't believe in apps !
According to Coco for Cannabis you're not supposed to let it get less than 90% saturated and should water multiple times per day in flower and get 10-20% runoff each time I guess there are more ways of doing it.
90% dry seems very dry. 10% to 20% runoff seems like a lot of wasted nutrients. there are multiple ways to do things of course. but i think you can be a little more efficient and waste less water/ nutrients. generally you want your dry backs to be between 15% to 35% depending on what phase you are in and if you are crop steering. But to keep it simple, just water and only let it dry back 15%-20%. if this requires multiple waterings a day you can do that as well. if you are watering by hand that may not be ideal and you can do similar to what i have done and run larger pots so that i only need once a day at most and can even get away with every other day in those large 7 gallons. i think i might have gotten to every second day when they are smaller and not grown into the larger pot size yet. each person situation is different and i think customizing to what fits you best will be the best choice instead of a 1 size fits all.
@@TriStateTrichomes I phrased that wrong. They say keep it 90% or more saturated. I thought it sounds like a lot of wasted nutrients too.
How much Canna a&b for week 2 from seed? I used 1ml per litre and calmag 5 ml per litre in a 10 litre drum at 20degs. Pots not drying quick enough under SF1000evo but not too bad. Its only 21 to 22degs under it on full.
week two? like 1.2-1.4ml of A&B. 5ml per liter is WAAAAY too much. Are you using RO water? If you're using RO water, then use about 0.4ml/L for seedling water. (I start my seeds in peat pellets) you may want to increase to 0.5ml/L if you're using coco to germinate seeds. What's your VPD? If it's too humid, the plant won't respirate properly. If you have low humidity the plant will suck up the water super quick.
@@everennui1 I made a mistake, I meant 0.5ml of CM 🤙
@everennui1 humidity is 75. That good?
@@jobcentrepuss7545 how old?
@jobcentrepuss7545 learn about VPD. Watch tons of videos and read about it so you really understand it. 75% would probably be okay in veg if your temperature is 90. Don't have your temp at 90.
I grow in coco and is it true that I need to water them every day ?
For the most part yes. But not always. How large your pot size is, how much drainage from perlite or additives will change this and also the size of the plant.
@@TriStateTrichomes there in 20l pot
@@Andrewtatesrealworld523 any perlite
hey tri love ur work, what are those things called where you stand you fabric pots on
Plant stand
@@dmo848 thanks bro already got me some :) but appreciate
They are way cheaper in hydro shop, can get for about half the price you said on the power si and the mills
dang not around here. I get online to save money. but it also depends on the size of the bottle.
You can do just as well with GH and not break the bank.
@@TriStateTrichomes Look into TPS nutrients, they have a Good liquid Silica Gold that I run with Coco
@@stangcobra592 I actually found a powder per Professor Bruce Bugbee's statement on a video he did a while back. It makes all of this dirt cheap for me now. I actually have a video up going over different forms of silica and i touch on this and my use of it. I also show how i mix it in on another video as well. Huge money saver for me
If I do what you say ... Maybe I get rootrot and fungs gnat ?!
Everyone says you can't over water in coco but I've had root rot in all my plants the last 2 grows and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong..
yes i have over watered in coco. its much more difficult but its still a risk. You need to either extend your dry back times between each feeding or you can mix in more perlite to help with drainage.
Could be a combo thing salt build up and overwatering. I would suggest a feed, water, water cycle every other day. Feed Sunday, Water Tuesday and Thursday in time you'll learn more and often different approaches.
@@TriStateTrichomes
But your girls will thrive to survive. The flipside is weak low THC and taste girls....
I have to respectively disagree to a degree. I water coco daily for a few reasons. The ph of a healthy root zone will rise, and could rise out of range. The roots want that O2 injection, as well as certain nutrients daily. Coco holds 10 times the O2 as soil, andvwhen watered at 67 degrees f, the RZ is receiving 10's the O2 as the nutrient solution would if fed at 77f.
The only time I won't feed everyday everyday, is after upotting, as coco can be overwateres until the roots are developed
Thank you sir, didn't know what temp to use. Would an auto water base like AC infinity's work well with coco and a fabric pot?
@@justinholtgraveonly if u never topfeed water because the salts would build up at the top of the plant pot - while using the ac infinity as a bottom feeding device. I love the ac infinity pots and I use them without the wicks, just because they collect so much more run off , I also use an additional riser with them
What tent tray is that it almost looks like it takes runoff to a drain spot
So water with nutes everyday/feed
I do yes. And if you also run an inert media and feed to runoff, then I would suggest also feeding with every watering
Thanks for grait video
Coco way to grow yo.
Switching from soil I was nervous but now I wish I would have sooner.
Are we watering till run off in 5 gallon pots. Seems like alot of water if the plant isn't big size yet
If the plant hasn't grown into the pot and it's fresh coco I would water to runoff simply to ensure its fully soaked. The next watering most likely won't be for days. It would not be crucial to water to run off that second time or even 3rd (depending on what EC you're feeding). But I. A week or so your plant should have grown into the new space and watering to runoff I would recommend in coco unless watering a lower EC otherwise you media EC builds too high and you want to keep the nutrients balanced in the root zone. Plants don't take them all up at the same time so if you don't have runoff to keep them from building up you can have an abundance of nutrients not needed. Coco tends to run a much higher ec than soil so that's why you don't see that same approach used as often in a soil grow.
never let coco dry, water everyday and produce runoff, thats it
If you let it get even a little too dry it becomes hydrophobic. Not ideal. Also annoying to slowly wet it until it retains the water again.
@@TriStateTrichomes yep yep, I usually feed twice everyday to reduce water use and keep the pots 99% wet almost all day. For me the plants on this video are BADLY dried, to take those to full wet again is a waste of water
@@bloodbeats
-always water with nutes (feed) until flush
-feed everytime pot gets to about 95% wet, so you make sure most of the time the port its fully saturated
-always produce runoff, and remove it quick
-for a 1L pot feed 50 ml, u can do your math with your pot size
-dont change nute amounts (except for some encymes here and then) depending on flower, veg, preflower... thats all bullshit. Plants dont really adjust to all that micro-adjustments
-dont use a lot of products, vpd control is what give you all those properties that bottles fake promise you (bigger, frostier and tastier results). Follow jungle boys and thena for extended explanation on this cuz gets really deep.
-use reverse osmosis water, filter is about 150euro and u can install in most kitchens in 15 mins
-nail ec and ph in your feeding solution
hope it helped mate
Get a meter cause the roots will make it heavy as it grows so hard to know is it water or roots.. meters are 12 bucks
which meter do you use
I Is use a wooden Kebab stick. Push to bottom of pot and pull out again. Then feel the stick for the moisture level...I touch my lip with it for a finer reading.
Coco should be watered daily. If you're not watering coco daily then you're not doing it right. I'm in a 5 gallon pot and I feed every day in the morning 2 liters. I used to do 1 but now she needs 2. I always feed too unless my ppm runoff comes out higher than what I put in. You don't pick up your pot every day you simply water every day period. And push lots of calmag. Coco will absorb calmag like crazy and led lights also burn thru it. Your coco should be 90 to 100 percent saturated at all times.
@nkxzombietrix1897 can you help me?
I’m using pro mix hpcc which is coco peat moss and perlite in 4 gallon pots. This is my 1st time using this substrate.
Plants are currently 5 weeks old from seed and are between 12-18 inches tall.
I watered each plant with 1L of water yesterday but got no run off.
How often do you water to run off using a coco mix? And how much water would it take to get run off in a 4 gallon pot?
1L of water seems like a lot for the size of my plants right now and it seems like it takes a few days before the substrate dries back enough for another watering .
I’m worried a lockout could be happening
Any help would be appreciated!
@Amish_AF what is your ppm and ec going in? I'm in a 5 gallon fabric pot and I water twice a day. 1 gallon in morning and 1 gallon at night. You can easily get away with 1 gallon in the morning but I like to keep it saturated. Right now I'm feeding 830ppm, 1.7 ec and 5.8 ph. I test my runoff and the ppm and ec is exactly what I'm putting in. If it ever goes up over 100 I'll flush with 1 gallon of water with calmag. I always use ro water. I never check my ph runoff in coco because that's like trying I catch a ghost it's never gonna be accurate. Did you soak your coco with calmag prior to planting?
@Amish_AF that being said with you being in promix I would let it dry out before watering but if you're not getting runoff you're getting build up and definitely lockout. You could flush with water and calmag only to get back on track. You never wanna depleat coco of calmag completely
@@nkxzombietrix1897 I have a ph pen and an ec meter coming in the mail soon. This is my 2nd grow ever so I’m still getting into the swing of things.
You’ll have to forgive my ignorance on some things plz.
I will test the ph and ec before feeding. How do I test ppm?
I’m nervous to water so much at once.. How much water would a 4 gallon pot need to get run off?
I didn’t soak my substrate with cal mag prior but I will make sure to use cal mag when flushing ty for that!
With my substrate being coco peat moss perlite , why should my ec ph and ppm be? This is uncharted territory for me but I’m ready!
Do you feed it nutrients everytime you water?
Respectfully, lifting pots everyday is a lot of work, but I believe w time the grower will learn his environment(heat, humidity and watering cycle) after a while it will be second nature. Now approach correct but exhausting...
I water everyday in Coco even started from ceilings The key is to have small pots I start them off in little cups then I put them in medium sized cups then I put them in one gallon from 1 gallons I stay in three run off every day I keep the PPM somewhat's low in the beginning then every week I go up little by little never had a problem and explosive growth night and day anybody has a question just ask I love to help growers I'm using Flora flex the way I do it it's just like hydro no difference it's a pain in the butt to empty all the trays though but I'm going to set up a flood table in a water system I'll be good as gold My last thing I want to say when I was growing in soil used to take me a month to see Roots come out the bottom of the cup two and a half weeks maybe two Bruce are coming out the bottom of the cup
My coco is way darker than this, I think I need to give more time between feeding
Thumbs up!
Pick it up Pick it pick it up, FUCK I dropped it
Whats your favorite coco?
dont have a favorite. As long as its rinsed and buffered im okay with using it.
@@TriStateTrichomes I'm looking to get the Mother Earth 70/30 coco and perlite. Should run water through it first? And how do I know if it rinsed enough?
@@ClearWater7.62 i personally think 70/30 is too much drainage. I mix my own and have more recently done without the perlite now that i have irrigation. But on the bag it will tell you its rinsed and buffered. you may want to "charge" the coco by letting it soak in a nutrient solution unless the bag says this has been done already. Its to help avoid deficiencies since coco can hold onto nutrients at first.
@@TriStateTrichomes sorry I'm a bit confused.. did you mean to say can't hold to nutrients at first?
how are these platic-net things called your pots are standing on? (were can i find it)
they are on Amazon but expensive. I found them for only a few dollars each at seaofgreen.com and my local hydro shop. Cant remember what they are called to be honest. they come in a bunch of sizes and really help to keep you from sitting in the runnoff
Keep a dummy pot with your medium in it without a plant and use it to compare throughout your run.
thats not a bad idea. only issue i think would be the weight of the plant and its roots throwing you off compared to a dry pot without a plant. but it would give you a rough idea. im on board
I use a sensor in my medium
This would be ideal but most do not. I am testing a cheap sensor from amazon to see how its readings compare to what i know my normal schedule is. just too see where i would fall and if i feel it is accurate. What sensor are you using?
Coco should be viewed as semi hydro....it's best kept moist and not left to dry in the traditional feed and starve way.
Imagine you have loaded your pots, with you fresh bag of coco, and it's in the bath in a 16l pot. It has some moisture from being in a sealed bag, so well call that level one moister. You put 8L through it to buffer. so it's saturated but draining on a baking tray....after about 20 minutes, it stops dripping. what you have left is level five moisture level.
Coco should be kept at level two and above, so I good watering will taking it to level 3-4 .... level 3 is optimum
Best way of Judging Moisture, Is use a wooden Kebab stick. Push to bottom of pot and pull out again. Then feel the stick for the moisture level...I touch my lip with it for a finer reading.
Coco without any organic components is just media. It is also considered hydro. The way I’ve been schooled is anything without soil is hydro
@@Topsrite No ,,,coco isn't hydro...it is semi hydro as I already correctly stated.
Hydro pumps the feed round the roots continuously.
You can add enzymes and microbes, that will compost the roots in the coco as they die off, break them down and add to the plant nutrient base.
hydro requires slightly lower PH band than coco, with organic wanting slightly higher PH than coco.
Why would you let your coco dry back??? This doesn't make sense coco you can keep saturated, and still get air to the roots. You are causing your coco to have high ec you need to furtigate it alot more than soil every day of the week. If you keep it saturated it will go alot better.
I agree with you for the most part. In large pots 5 or 7 gallon or when plants are smaller you can still over water in coco. It is mush more difficult. but still possible. or root rot can happen which i have done once in the past. i believe after this video was made. But compared to soil you keep it bery wet. dry back maybe 30% give or take depending on where in the plants life you are is my go to.
@@TriStateTrichomes Yes your correct if you have a small root system in a big pot of coco it will not work out as the roots will goto the areas of the pot with the most oxygen leaving the areas without it stagnet and ripe for root rot. The key is to not grow a small root structure in a big pot, but this applies to any and all mediums.
I just look for the leaf sag now lol.
Once they start looking sad lol
@@TriStateTrichomes not sad but you can tell because they go from praying to sagging a little you want those dry back periods with soil the roots love it.
@@growersplus oh of course. Soil just has a longer dry back time. Coco shaves times off. Helps but means more work unfortunately. I'll see your organic soil videos soon so I can just send people there.
@@TriStateTrichomes I'm working man I'm working.
I use a moisture meter lol
If it works it works. That's all that matters
not to bad paul,but this plants they are suffering they need more water
how to water when to water we dont even see a drop of water in the video
You might water in next video
Just buy a moisture probe £5
Damn half of this video is explaining how to lift the pot 😅
Tried to make it for those just starting that have the ability to do so. I should probably make an updated video for auto feeding and high frequency fertigation. Also if using measuring instruments
@@TriStateTrichomes That would be dope. crop steering, substrate EC, run off EC, what different events tell you.
your supposed to water coco daily to a 10 percent runoff coco does not have the same cation exchange that soil does so it is needed watering daily but if not every other day for sure i have acheived 22 oz plants watering every other day and tie down your plants as soo as they start growing verticle for quantitys of bud
how much perlite do u put and why?
I was running 20%. Went lower to 10% to slow down dry back times. Perlite is for aeration and drainage.
Why is it these UA-cam gurus are so smart they know better than the creators. Even on the packet of all the coco iv used says high irrigation , treat coco as hydro , only have a 5% dry back . But I’m sure this home grower with 5 plants knows better lol . Come back to me when you’ve grown perpetual 1000 plant crops year after year . I water 6 times a day , mass yields , you won’t get fukn wilting in coco from over watering this guy knows nothing .
@ no shit Sherlock
Is that 70/30 mix