Is The Catholic Or Protestant Bible Correct?
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2023
- refuting the false claim that the Catholic Church added books to the bible. those books have always been there, and it was Protestants who threw them out
sources include:
St Athanasius of Alexandria easter letter 367 ad
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easte...
Council of Carthage 397 ad list of canon
www.bible-researcher.com/cart...
Council of hippo 393 ad list of canon
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counc...
Council of Rome 382 ad
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counc...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelas...
pope Innocent 1st list of scripture 405 ad
www.bible-researcher.com/inno...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_...
Luther's canon list
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luthe....
The book of daniel
The book of ezra
The book of Nehemiah
Council of trent decree on the canon of scripture
www.papalenchyclicals.net/cou...
The Septuagint
www.britannica.com/topic/Sept...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septu...
The council of jamnia
www.britannica.com/topic/bibl...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counc...
The sadducees only accepted the torah
www.britannica.com/topic/Sadd...
What better way to claim something is unbiblical than to remove it from the bible yourself.
What better way to claim something is unbiblical than to remove it from the bible yourself.
A better way is to quote the passage out of context , that way it sounds biblical .
Protestants following the Pharisees cannon that rejected Jesus. Pharisees evolved into Rabbinic Judaism.
As a studying convert to Catholicism, I want to thank you very much for assisting me with my bucket list of things to get to in the next 9 months.
Excellent video. Great job on the research and putting it within a video format.
Thanks and God Bless.
Your welcome, thank you
He’s helping a lot of Protestants. I’m sure more than he knows. He has a gift in that his former Protestant background allows him to really get right at the heart of their objections to an Apostolic Church (knowing how they think.) (I have always wanted to be able to do what he does, rather than talk about shopping trips in Mexico.) I pray this channel grows. If you end up landing in Rome rather than Constantinople (as it seems you will) I have no big issue and wish you well, brother. Edit: I pray so much for an end to the schism. It seems so close and so far away, but I have a feeling (just me personally) that in the not too distant future we and all Christians will be forced to unite. And I would be okay if it was under the Bishop of Rome (as long as the Petrine authority was accurately understood and administrated). St.Peter was chief among the apostles and so are his successors.
I've had evangelicals argue with me that Catholics added 7 books to the Bible. I always challenge them to go look at the 4th century councils and tell me which books are part of the canon of scripture. It's the same list as the Council of Trent almost 1,000 years later. There's plenty of research material out there without even citing Catholic sources to prove that Catholics did not add 7 books to the Bible.
Everybody knows the Bible is a Catholic Book and it has 73 books in it from day one until now. Only those who split and want to make new rules and indoctrinate people to follow them them, will change the facts. So simple. Those are the tricks of the Evil One in every situation always the same.
But why is The Book of Enoch not in the Bible ? It is in Ethiopia. 🤔🤔🤔🤔??????😎😉👍
Then what about The Scriprture that is not in the Bible. I now quote Juan Isaac : ' What better way to claim something is unbiblical than from remove it from the Bible yourself ' ...🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔👍😎👍
What difference does it really make whether you have 73 books or 66 books in the bible if you are going to hold it in your hand as if it is important but not spend any time reading it? roman Catholics and denominational believers have this one trait in common. I know very few denominational people who have actually read the entire bible, how about you. Yes the roman Catholic church will read the bible to you over the space of three years but have you personally read the entire bible by yourself ?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 first of all . the 7 are not just any 7 books. They are Scripture and therefore belong in the bible.
To ask somebody if they have read the bible by themselves, is none of abodes business. t. Many of us have and others have not. It is a choice and if we are church going people, we know just as much about what is in the bible as those who only read it.
Reading it like reading any book is not the way to read the bible. Most people will never understand the meaning of most of the stories unless they are explained in context and with knowledge of the historical background. Without help most people do not know when something is literal, or spiritual or allegorical, symbolic etc.
The New Testament is also the fulfilment of the OLD Testament and without understanding that, a lot of misinterpretations are created. Proof is the thousands of different protestant churches who come into existence because of the different understanding of scripture. Somebody disagrees , has another "opinion" and starts a new church. Man made church that is.
The bible is a Catholic book therefore protestants cannot tell us we do not know it. The Church e's Teaching is authoritative because christ instituted this church and it has beside the Bible, Sacred Tradition, which means the oral Teachings of the apostles and the Magisterium which are needed to give a complete picture. The Bible alone is not enough. the other 2 elements are not teaching anything which goes against the bible, but are tools to INTERPRET the bible. There were no bibles to go around for people to read until the printing press. Bibles were a rarity , they took years of a monk's work to complete one bible. Therefore the teachings were ORAL. The apostles spread the WORD orally into the world .People still knew what was written because they listened instead of just reading .
Please read: Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth. Catholic.com
Reading this will give you an insight into what the Church instituted by christ Himself really is.
This is such a great Channel!
Thank you “I Miss Christendom” for all the time and work you put into these videos clarifying important issues for the faithful who have likely been poorly Catechized or are in the process of conversion.
May God bless you and your family.
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Well done, Just think it was almost even worse for the Protest w/ Luther & Calvin wanting to remove New Test books as well such as James..of course, Hebrews & Revelation. The Catholic Church forming the full Canon & out of necessity being there is no index, but Church authority, & Protestants removing the Deuterocanon esp after having it in their bibles for a time, this topic should be left alone by Protestants at this point.
If Protestants are correct in anything vs. Catholic teaching, then they accuse Jesus of lying, because He said that His Church would never fail.
That's what i always tell them but they told me that the Catholic Church is not the true Church. Whenever i asked them what Church existed in the first century that believed the exact same doctrine that they currently have, you would hear crickets, instead, will try to shotgun the conversation with the regular Prot Vomit (Mary, Praying to the Saints, Eucharist etc.)
I told one protestant to look at the pictutes of the underground catachombs all over the Roman Empire. You see the Eucharist and the saints and martyrs. You do not see a bible study using the King James Bible
Truth. Same argument the Mormons make. (And no I’m not saying Mormons and (most) Protestants are the same…but same argument.
Protestants still believes servant is greater than a master.
@@hcho7776The Master ( The Pope ????? ) is not a good Master ...He allows too many things notcaccording to God's word❤😎👍
Martin Luther removed from the canon so on what authority did he have to try and change the Bible? ✝ 🇻🇦
his own pride 😂
The Catholic Church did not add books to the Bible, Protestants first appended the deuterocanonical books during the Protestant reformation, then they dropped them from their Bible completely.
Yep,
Maybe The Church did not add scriptures tovthe Bible, they made sure we were not allowed to read The Book of Enoch.. It is in the Ethiopian Bible. Is that God's decision or ' THE NOT ONLY CHURCH ' ????🤔🤔🤔🤔😉👍😎
@@tomrudolsen6235when the Ethiopian Church converts the world, I’ll care about what the Ethiopian church thinks.
This is perfect timing, I just wanted to talk about this with a protestant friend today :)
Another great video. This is honestly the best RC channel I listen to (including the big ones.) This one will grow. No doubt. He does the deep research, and then just presents it. And that’s it. I’m just sitting here this time. Just listening. Thanks for giving us a shout out this time.
Thank you very much
Without deuterocanonical, we would not have known the effect of hellenism on the nation of Israel and caused changes in language and writing, including those of the old testament that were rewritten into Greek.
The Catholic Bible was the FIRST BIBLE, assembled in the late 300's, under the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT. Martin Luther took 7 books out of the Bible, because he didn't want to believe all of the Catholic teachings, which were found in these books. He must have thought he knew better than the Holy Spirit.!!
Did you miss the part where there were bishops who said the Deuterocanonical didn’t belong. Did you miss the part where he said even the Catholic Church didn’t want to put James in the canon, did you miss the part of the dirty little secret everyone closed there canon around the same time. You do know even Martin didn’t remove the books he left them but just didn’t consider them scripture and apparently so did a lot of the bishops in the Catholic Church. they were not written by prophets or apostles.
Martin Luther said Jesus was an adulterer.
That was before the schism. That was the Orthodox church.
@@fantasia55 . Several unambiguous statements in his writings clearly indicate that he held the traditional view that Jesus, like Paul, was celibate and chaste
However stating something that some guy said 500+ years ago without evidence does not make the statement true just an accusation .
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 celebrate except for sex with MM and two other women...
If the J. swaggert bible was good enough for the guys in the first cent., then it should be good enough for everybody today
There was no defined Christian canon until the fourth century. The J3ws didn't have a closed canon of their own until about 100 years after Christ's death. By then it didn't matter to Christians what they did with their canon as they refused to become Christian.
What? So my Joyce Meyer study bible with notes is not from the Apostles!
There was no bible in the first 3 centuries
@@paulcapaccio9905 That's the point.
@@juanisaac5172 lol
Thank you foe everything you do! I've learned so much about Catholicism from you.
The things you talk about speak to my spirit. As i go through RCIA and learn more about Christianity I find can't understand how anyone could follow the reformers. They're clearly heretics. It's not even a debate at this point. Any history book can show this.
Keep doing what you do!
Welcome home!
Every Protestant Bible ever printed until 1825 included the deuterocanon. Yes, including the original KJV.
You are correct. I think Luther is blamed because his teaching that these books were not really essential, leading up to the idea that the books can be removed completely from the prot bibles in the 19th century to save money on printing.
The protestants took 6 books away from the Holy Bible leaving 66 books.
Look at those numbers...
This is an argument I use as well. You're the first person I've heard online saying the same thing. We have 73 books. Two PERFECT numbers. Luthifer( as I call him) removed 7 PERFECT books leaving them with 66. Coincidence. I don't think so. God bless you friend
@@waseemhermiz7565 Are the Catholics even better? 🤔 What better way to claim something is unbiblical than from remove it from the The Bible yorself. E.g. The Book of Enoch, which is in the Ethiopian Bible. 😉😊😎🤔🤔🤔
YOURSELF ...SORRY...😎
Do any of your 6 or 7 books speak about Mary's perpetual virginity or Mary's intercessory powers?
Catholics are the only Christian like religion that embodies Mary as a deity, also Orthodox.
There are 7957 Nt verses not 1 speaks of Mary's perpetual virginity or Mary's intercessory powers yet Catholics make this they doctrine.
God is not involved in Mary's doctrine. Is God even involved in the Catholic Church is the real question?
@@tknciliba4743 Mary is a creature like the rest of us in Catholicism, not a deity or some sort of goddess. There are many protestant converts to Catholicism who can explain this and many other protestant misconceptions about the Catholic faith.
Try youtube channel "I Miss Christendom" for starters.
God bless and protect you and your family.
She shall crush your head is actually incorrect in the Douay-Rheims bible, Jerome was copying from a defective copy of the Latin Vulgate when he translated it. The correct reading is he shall crush your head. It was later corrected in earlier printed versions of the bible.
The short answer is biblical epistemology..
all truth is established by witnesses..
Infallibility comes from authority comes from 2 or 3 living witnesses at minimum.
Higher the witness higher the truth.
The local synod has a higher authority than a single bishop, an regional council more then a local synod, and the ecumenical council has the highest witness thereby the strongest epistemology.
In the words of our Lord himself:
“If I alone bear witness about myself, my testimony is not true.”
John 5:31 ESV
That’s why the Catholic Bible is right.
Great video, Brother.
Isn’t dogma declared whenever heresy or schism arises?
Hence the Canon of Scripture was dogmatically declared at the Council of Trent in response to the Protestant Rebellion.
Also, will you talk about the Book of Enoch?
Pax Tibi
What a joy it was upon converting to the true faith qnd realizing that my bible was suddenly bigger! 😂 🎄 🎁
While you are reading your larger bible you might compare what teachings you get from the 7 books and see if there is any contradiction with the new testament? Tobit 6 gives you the cure to clouded vision and Jesus did not do it with the blind man ?. Tobit 6 also tells you how to rid a persons of demons forever and again Jesus and the apostles do not do it?
Cherry picked verses in 2 Maccabee's 12 tells you to pray for the dead something you will not find in any other book of the bible.
Converting to the true faith or a group that claims to be the true faith? Did you leave Jesus out of the equation when you converted? Did you have Jesus in the first place ?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 thanks. I needed a good laugh. Your list of "contradictions" display either your ignorance of Scripture or your ill will, much as an atheist mines for "contradictions" in Scripture.
In 1 Kings, we read that Elijah raised the dead widow's son by stretching himself upon the child three times, calling out "O Lord, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again." Elisha raised the Shunammite's son in much the same way. Jesus didn't heal the widow of Nain's son in this way. Elisha commanded Namaan to wash in the Jordan River sevens times. That isn't how Jesus healed lepers.
1 Samuel records that King Saul was tormented by an evil spirit, but when David played the harp for him, the evil spirit would leave him. Neither Jesus nor his Apostles used music therapy to cure anything, much less demon possession. Are these contradictions or are they simply other miraculous accounts. Magic requires a set formula. Miracles, which display God's power, can take form God in His Wisdom chooses.
Your criticism of Tobit's healing from blindness is perhaps the silliest bc a) there is a difference btw going blind from infection [Tobit] and being born blind [such as the man Jesus healed in John's Gospel]; b) when Jesus healed the man born blind with mud and spit, He wasn't simply healing a man. He was signaling His identity as the Creator inaugurating a New Creation. [A major theme in John's Gospel]. Neither St Raphael nor Tobias could make that claim about their identities; and c) Tobit record that white films were removed from his eyes. Acts records that when St Ananias was sent to heal St Paul of his temporary, something like scales fell from his eyes. That sounds similar to me; and d) you are aware that there are modern, medical procedures to treat clouded vision. If cataracts surgery doesn't contradict the NT, neither does Tobit.
As for your criticism of prayer for the dead, that's an appeal to silence and essentially begging the question. Protestants don't reject prayer for the dead bc they're not in Scripture; you reject Scripture bc it mentions prayers for the dead, which contradicts your heretical beliefs. The fact of the matter is that the Jews of Jesus's day did offer prayers for the dead and the earliest Christians did the same. As early as AD150, one finds inscriptions on Christian tombs asking for prayers. Protestants need to ignore 1500 years of Church history to come to the conclusion that prayers for the dead are useless.
I am a Catholic precisely because I follow Christ. I urge you to do the same. "Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ" - and the Scripture led me to the Catholic Church.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 thanks. I needed a good laugh. Either your ignorance of Scripture or your ill will is on display here, like the atheist who mines for "contradictions."
In 1 Kings, we read that Elijah healed the widow's son by stretching himself upon him 3xs. Elisha healed the Shunammite's son in much the same way. Yet Jesus didn't heal the widow of Nain's son in this way.
Elisha commanded Namaan the leper to wash in the Jordan River 7x. Jesus didn't command the 10 lepers He met to do the same.
King Saul was tormented by an evil spirit, but when David played the harp for him, the evil spirit would leave him. Neither Jesus nor the Apostles used music therapy to cure anything, let alone demon possession.
Are these contradictions? Or are they simply different miraculous accounts? You see, magic requires following a strict formula. Miracles, which display the power of God, can take whatever form He chooses.
Your criticism of Tobit's healing from blindness is perhaps the silliest bc:
A) there is a difference btw healing blindness from infection and healing blindness from birth.
B) the account of the man born blind in John's Gospel, for example, isn't simply about a miracle. Jesus forming mud from spit is meant to remind readers of Genesi. It signals Jesus's identity as God and the inauguration of a New Creation [a major theme of John's Gospel.] Neither the angel Raphael nor Tobias could claim that identity.
C) Tobit records white films being removed from his eyes. The Acts of the Apostles records something like scales falling from. St Paul's eyes. Sounds similar.
D) You are aware of modern, medical procedures to treat clouded vision, right? If they don't contradict the NT, neither does Tobit.
As for your criticism of prayers for the dead, that is an argument from silence and essentially begging the question. The fact remains, 1st century Jews did offer prayers for the dead, a practice adopted by the earliest Christians. As early as AD150, one finds Christian inscriptions on tombs asking for prayers. Protestants need to ignore 1500 years of Christian tradition in order to claim prayers for the dead are unnecessary and wrong. In point of fact, Protestants don't reject prayers because they're "unbiblical;" you reject Scripture because prayers for the dead contradict your heterodox opinions.
Protestantism relies on ignorance- ignorance of Scripture, ignorance of history, and ignorance of Church Teaching. Well, "Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ." Christ, through the Holy Scripture, led me to the Catholic Church.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 this either shows your ignorance of Scripture or your ill will, just as atheists mine for "contradictions" to disprove the entirety of Scripture.
Tell me, when Elijah raised the widow's son, does that contradict Jesus's raising of the widow of Nain's son?
When Elisha commanded Namaan to wash in the Jordan 7x, does that contradict Jesus?
When David's harp playing caused the evil spirit tormenting Saul to leave, does that contradict the NT?
Jesus led me to the Catholic Church. The existence of the Canon of Scripture points to the Catholic Church. The only thing I abandoned in my conversion was a 500 year old heresy which separated me from Christ.
@@carissstewart3211 scriptures do not contradict each other in old or new testament.
The only thing I abandoned in my conversion was a 500 year old heresy which separated me from Christ.
Ok so what heresy separated you from Christ? If you are a born again believer in Christ you can not be separated from Him .
Excellent presentation! Thank you!
I’m Orthodox, but ask a Protestant to look at books in the 1611 King James, the original, not the one they have today. Interesting that those books are in there but for some reason got taken out.
If they were ADDED at the Council of Trent then why in the world would they be in the Orthodox canon when the Orthodox Church (regrettably in some ways) would not have given a hill of beans what the Catholics said in the 1500s at the Council of Trent?
Tradition says that Pharoah requested to read the Hebrew Scriptures in Greek, so that's why the Septuagint was translated into Greek. Also, he isolated each scholar and compared their translations. They were the same.
Further, Simeon was one of the translators who doubted the Messiah would come. He was told by the Holy Spirit he would remain alive until he saw the Messiah with his own eyes, which was fulfilled in the 5th Joyful Mystery of the Rosary.
Complicated but well explained thanks from canada
Typo in your description ;) but great video thanks 👍
They dont have wisdom and sirach?? Those two are my favorite esp sirach
Evangelicals punching the air right now
Great video, thanks.
The deuterocanonical books were in the LXX, and there were popular Jewish traditions (e.g. the letter of Aristeas) about inspiration of the LXX. Why would Jews believe that there was an inspired translation of seven apocryphal books?
i read a protestant book use the forth century councils to prove the NT cannon but they use the jewish rabbinic legendary councils for OT
I think the point about liturgy really needs to be emphasized more in applogetics. It completely obliterates the idea that sola scriptura was at all on the minds of any of the early Christians. To read the bible outside of the wider context of the sacraments and liturgy is to rip it out of its intended context.
Just imagine a protestant trying to explain to early Christians how they read the Bible for themselves, and it brought them to the conclusion that the sacraments are unnecessary...
Please footnote your sources in the video description
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Protestant 66 books/Catholic 73 books/Orthodox 81 books
Matter and form.
The bible each scripture is matter.
Yes including the chain of apolostolically genealogical form of the Catholic and arguably the orthodox bible.
The apocrypha is wisdom and is for allegorical parables. And if they are based on true historical events and not mere value in wisdom than more the wiser.
The Orthodox Bible. We didn't have to remove books to cover up for a pope.
Evangelicals make me feel like I worship Satan. What should I do? 🤷♂️
Stop talking to evangelicals.
But, then Jesus said this would happen to his true followers. That they would be accused of worshipping Satan.
The pharasees accused him of being in league with the devil. Afterwhich he said
Matthew 10:25
If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household!
@@imisschristendom5293
As a Catholic I don’t view protestants as Satan worshipers.
My point is the fact that they accuse us of worshiping Satan should'nt make us feel bad because Jesus said it would happen. If you follow jesus your going to be ridiculed
@@imisschristendom5293 I guess the conflict is that they claim to worship Jesus as well.
@@johnnyroman3888liars worship Satan
Number of bibles in circulation inside of Catholicism during council of Trent? Thousands, millions?
Number of bibles in circulation inside of Protestantism durning the council of Trent? Tens, hundreds?
It’s kinda hard to add books to bibles already in circulation when there’s thousands of them. It’s much easier to remove books though when none of those bibles even exist.
By the time Luther had arrived the bible had been translated into over 70 languages. The very first book Guttenberg printed in 1455 was the Bible. It was a best seller with 500 copies. So they were around.
@@juanisaac5172 lol, so nothing handwritten, very telling indeed.
@@juanisaac5172 the Gutenberg Bible contains the Catholic canon of books, btw.
Did Jesus ever command Martin Luther to publish the Bible and open up his own religion, is that written in the scripture?
@@hcho7776 I’m Catholic, no God didn’t instruct Martin Luther
What was scripture for Jesus, and the Righteous around him, is enough for me. Stop swearing against your brother, and bless them instead
So you except the deuterocanonical books then?
There was no defined Christian canon until the 4th century. The J3ws (Jesus' religion) didn't have a closed canon of their own until about 100 years after Christ's death. By then it didn't matter to Christians what the J3ws did with their canon as they refused to become Christian.
"...scripture for Jesus and the Righteous around him.." was those writings that we now call the Old Testament.
The Holy Bible came four hundred years later.
7 books and missing parts of ester andall the greek
Read Dr Petrie on council of Jamnia(forgive my spelling) and it’s non existence
Yes, this is probably true. But I give it to them because it doesn't matter if it was 90 ad or 300 ad. Jews cant fix our canon of scripture
I was just about to comment that. I love this channel, but there's not a shred of evidence for the Council of Jamnia ever happening. I heard Dr Pitre as well in Riverside, CA give this talk. Dr. Michael Barber also gave a great talk about the Canon of Scripture, and notes that Jamnia never happened. Barber also gave recommendation on the book, "Why Catholics Bibles are Bigger" by Gary Michuta. Took his advice and it's a fantastic book with a lot of history and information. Still a great video though.
I like the comment that the Jews can fix scripture. A point forgotten. Your channel is great. Thanks for all the videos.
As far as the amount of books the KJV with Apocrypha includes more books than the Roman Catholic Cannon.
Ah, no
@@frekigeri4317
Yes it does. I counted them.
@@Jordan-1999 ah no, it doesn’t, you are just seeing things like bel and the dragon, which is in Daniel, separated from Daniel, not another book
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Yes it does, I counted them. Yes, I agree that Bell and the dragon is still apart of Daniel. How many books are included in the Catholic Old Testament?
There is still more books in the KJV with apocrypha.
@@Jordan-1999 no, there isn’t and it doesn’t matter anyway, because the KJV hasn’t included the deuterocanonical books for almost 400 years now, not since 1666 ad.
Nor are they considered canon which is proven by the fact you keep calling them apocryphal
Deutero-Conanicals were added by Conan.
This is too complex I'm just going to live for Jesus by the new testament
Jesus started Catholic church
You can't live by the New Testament only. Where is the list of books that belong in the Bible? It isn't there so where did it come from? The Catholic Church in 393 AD at the council of Carthage.
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LOL. Both are incorrect.
Neither. The Orthodox Bible and it's interpretations are correct. Orthodoxy is the parent Church from which the others have devolved.
In which way is the Orthodox Bible different?
The papacy is Biblical and easily proven which makes your "orthodox" Church one in schism
@@waseemhermiz7565 What better way to claim something is unbiblical removing it from The Bible yourself. 😉😎🤔🤔🤔
E.g. The Book of Enoch, which is in The Ethiopian Bible. 😎😊
@@tomrudolsen6235 do you use the Ethiopian Bible in your life?
Care to do any videos on preachers or “prophets” like the late Billy Graham and Kim Clement and how their views conflict with Catholicism?