@@sophitiaofhyrule because comedy isn't for everyone and offensive jokes are jokes just not everybody is gonna laugh at them, people like you try to kill comedy because it's to "offensive", like when the left tried to cancel Dave Chappell over a trans joke.
Reminds me of christian Republican homophobes who call people snowflakes but then freaked the fuck out because lil nas x made a song about being gay and going to hell
@@ona512 i just imagine that their mind would actually melt if they read anything from dworkin if they think modern gender theory is radfem lol. but the again, that’s assuming they can read so I’m probably giving him too much credit right there
he thinks “views women as equals” means “i don’t want women to be wiped off the face of the earth”, and anything more feminist than that is “too far” lol
can confirm, the same people who insult me for coloured hair on twitter end up saying something sexist or homophobic to me (and imply i'm uneducated when i'm in my third year of a politics degree)
Then maybe you should walk outside and have an interaction. Everybody is completely PC Blinded. The people who make jokes about “blue-haired women” already view them as equal, that’s why they think it’s ridiculous they’re protesting for “equal rights.” This type of content actually be offensive and disrespectful if it was the past when women actually weren’t equal. Long story short, these people don’t view women as “less-than” or “shouldn’t be equal”, they view those specific women as irrational
This the type of guy to call people snowflakes and say they’re triggered but make a 16 minute video yelling at the camera cause his friend was criticized
And who would also get triggered about Montero by lil nas x. Idk if they were or weren't annoyed by montero but they strike me as people who 100% would
“This grown adult refuses to say a slur. That’s so cringey. Just say the slur, you loser.” In a video where he’s trying to prove that his friends aren’t hateful assholes. Very convincing, my guy.
It's like, dude, it's because he's a grown ass adult that he won't say the slur. Because he has the maturity, of a grown ass adult. It's almost like it's people with the emotional maturity levels of a middle schooler who are those saying said slur. Ffs, how backwards can you get that logic, lmao-
If you’re harassing a woman on the street as a joke, you’re STILL harassing a woman on the street 🤷♀️ they should’ve been like “okay, that’s fine” and moved on. I swear, they’re the kinds of people to excuse everything they do with “it was just a joke.” And hey, sure it might’ve been, but at the end of the day, regardless of your intentions, there are serious consequences and outcomes to your actions.
“You’re a 22 year old man, it’s not cute it’s cringey” it’s cringey that Nick… does not want to say a slur and is not happy that someone else said a slur?????
@@langleymneely horrifying that there are real people who think being considerate is “cringe” bc they were raised by this type of brain rotting content
Joey isn't only "pretending" to be an idiot, he IS an idiot. His humor isn't humor, it's not like a type of joke, it's like if Kaitlyn Bennet called herself a comedian
Okay, nobody is gonna read this, but I want to explain the protests that were shown. Those happened in Latin America, the song sang by the women saying ''you are the rapist'' is actually a remake of the Police of Chile sings called ''A police man in your way'', there was at least 10 cases a day of women murdered in Chile that year and many other cases of rape, MANY cases of rape by POLICE, many women and little girls that went to the police for help ended up being sexually assaulted by police and went unpunished, and so in the March 8 protest, the peaceful protesters sang the song now named ''A rapist on your way'', these protests happen in all Latin America every year, its called ''8M Protest'', Mexico City being the largest 8M march. It starts as a peaceful protest, with female SWAT teams protecting protesters even, but later in the day ''hooded protesters'' go violent, destroying doors and windows of EMPTY police and government buildings, by then, the peaceful protesters and families already left and the female SWAT team is switched to male armed police men. We don't really consider those protesters radical, but understand that this is a CULTURAL thing, its just normal here that in March 8, we will protest outside of government buildings, with thousands of pictures of the thousands of girls that have disappeared, killed and raped, and 100% of the time, protesters will paint on male colonizer statues, slavery icons statues and president statues, on government buildings, on the outdoor stairs of the building etc. They do not attack people, they do not attack family or local businesses, they destroy the doors of government buildings that have a history of LITERALLY closing the door and turning OFF the lights outside at women asking for help. An average of 10 to 11 women die at the hands of men in Mexico every day. And some simply say it was ''because they were horny'' You cannot compare a protest in Mexico with one in the US or the UK, things are just different here and YES this IS quite radical and crazy and overall horrible for an outside person from a different country, I agree, but so are the crimes against women here. He cannot put those clips of Mexico and other Latin America countries and use it to prove the point, because its just a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT context. We aren't the US or the UK, aren't asking for fair paychecks, or fair treatment in politics, or fairness in schools... we are literally asking for 1. To let us live. Literally. 2. Pursue and Punishment for rapists and killers, cuz yes, there isn't any.. 3. Justice.. Revolutions did not happen by asking nicely, and YES we DO ask nicely still.
15:49 AND THE REASON they were blindfolds is to represent the government and police playing dumb at the fact that their own policemen were raping girls who went to them for help.- Because its a public performance, with a dance, a song, pieces of cloth of colors representing justice for those killed, Purple is for feminism, Green for Choice, Pink for Transgender Women's rights.
i'm not mexican but i am from latin america and seeing him show those clips from a country that isn't obviously the USA or UK made me feel a bit iffy. femicidios where im from happen all the time and the worse part is that they NEVER have any media coverage, you'll never see these victims on tv or in the news. its like you said, you cant compare a country like the usa to latin american countries, the cultural difference and attitude is nowhere near the same as gringos
"i'm a straight cis dude whose here to to debate the validity of your identity, because your struggles are only theoretical to me. i can joke about it because i've never faced oppression nor the consequences of my actions!"
call me a snowflake i guess but as an autistic woman hearing someone so blatantly call someone autistic as an insult and then defend themselves for saying it is so weird and upsetting for me. like trying to get over my internalized ableism on my own is hard enough but hearing people like this say that not saying the r-word is cringe his just horrible.
Same. As an autistic person, it disturbs and disgusts me that he genuinely has no idea why its an issue. My existence isn't an insult. Its not a replacement for calling someone an idiot. And it certainly isn't up to an allistic to decide what slurs are less harmful and perfectly fine to say.
It’s so sad and hilarious! They went off and got more offended because they were called unfunny! Not misogynistic or transphobic, no they are cool with those allegations cause “it’s juss JOHKES BRUV”! Lmao!🤣
his bit about him being like "oh he's too scared to say the word r----d because he's putting up this fake woke persona" (or something along those lines, can't be bothered to properly quote him) is so strange we in the autistic community have been telling people to stop for fucking years, and yeah, it is offensive to use that slur, given that it's a slur
exactly. when my eldest sister was born, she was called “mentally-r****ded” because that was what it was known as back then, almost 30 years ago (I think). my mom absolutely hates that word because of her eldest daughter. I’ve always been told NEVER to say it. of course there are better words for it now, like “mentally-ill” or of course the names for what (I dont wanna say problems but I cant think of another word) she has. idk if this make any sense but the r-slur is very very offensive and I hate anyone who uses it, even as a “joke”.
Over here it isnt considered a slur and regional difference is real no one over here whos mentally considered retarded does get annoyed about lol its only americans who get mad about it… same mfs who got mad at the word gypsy…
I don't understand why these guys can't just admit they are irrationally judgemental and move on 🙄. Ppl in the LGBTQIA+ communty could honeslty care less, and I find it funny that Nick is perfectly calm and the other guy is so bothered😭.
People, especially those lacking maturity, have a super hard time admitting to others their faults. They tend to get angry and defensive and avoid admitting their faults at any point, when confronted with them. It’s a bit sad tbh.
as someone who's trans who saw whatever tf Sloppy Joe was doing I kinda just "meh" like dude I bet that half of the people ur making fun of don't give a shit bc they're worrying abt more important stuff. Like it's so weird that they call themselves unbothered in doing these jokes when someone calls them out on it, they just respond like chickens that got their heads cut off.
This man literally can't comprehend someone finding the r-word offensive. Has normalized this slur so much he assumes anyone not using it is putting on a "cute" act.
Right?? And it’s ironic thats he’s like “oh refusing to say the r-word is cringe” when using that word as a grown man is one of the most cringe things ever conceived
As a black British person, I hate it when people have this accent. He clearly grew up around upper class white people as he has a really posh accent, but then uses black British slang? Also his massively conservative views also give his upbringing away. Hate it.
@@silverdandelions1908its kind of j the way he enunciates words and speaks, it’s kinda like AAVE , and it’s really easy for a british person to tell when another british person is putting on an accent so they don’t sound as posh. I assume it’s like how americans could probably be able to tell what state someone is from by their accent.
I really admire your ability to not take things like this really personally, and your ability to explain your side calmly despite the rudeness being shoved onto you.
@@greenisnotnick I hope you know how comforting it is, as a queer trans person, to hear someone sticking up for the LGBTQ+ community like you are. You are calm, rational, and a wonderful ally(?) and that is very appreciated. Like a lot of LGBT people, I'm not in a good situation right now. But hearing you and this community speak out reminds me that there are good people in the world.
I like how he says, " oh he's a great person if you got to meet him". Like dude I'm trans and a feminist, he won't be nice to me. He's nice if you share his view!
For real. Not to mention, it’s not wrong to judge his character based off what he CHOOSES to post online. Like sure it’s easy to say he’s great irl but all the evidence is to the contrary. Also gotta love how people assume their bigoted friends will be nice to minorities, when again, all evidence is to the contrary. 🙄
if your entire presence online is “pretending” to be bigoted/uneducated, you have to make it clear that you are pretending. if you attract an audience that consists entirely of people who genuinely agree with the talking points you’re passing off as jokes, then you’re doing it wrong
Also if that is your whole persona then at some point it feels like you are bigoted and are masking it by saying that it is a made up persona you made.
Yeah, Poe's law at the very least. Like, imo, if people can mistake your satire of bigotry for legit bigotry, then you've failed the satire part of it. Because at that point you're just adding bigotry to the pile.
That's what happened to r/GRU The people that they were making fun of who didn't get it just flooded the sub and it became a cesspool of incels and bigots
If anyone has evidence of the child pornography allegedly shared in the sever I highly encourage you report that to the FBI (or your country's equivalent). It is a federal offense to distribute it in the U.S., and I would imagine it's the same in other countries as well.
nah, I bet an anti is exaggerating about them showing anime like Boku No Pico or something, otherwise these dropouts woulda lost their Discords and would have never been heard from again.
THIS! Or be very witty in a way where it ends up making fun of sexists, homophobes and transphobes. Sloppy Joe has a complete lack of wit. When my friend and I were his age, we understood that. He’s just making lazy content where he bullies people and then says ‘lol joke’
Exactly. I actually just posted a comment w Contrapoints’ quote from her excellent video on this exact point!!! “It's boring and immature, like when someone says he wants to watch the world burn. You only get to watch when you have the privilege of not being on fire. It's edgy but it's not the darkness. The darkness is finding a way to laugh about being on fire.“
Yeah, tbh in an ideal world it would be the bare minimum, but it's still not, so I really appreciate Nick calling it out (especially because I do have what's technically considered a developmental disability; AFAIK autism/ASD is still considered that, so it is actually a slur that affects me.)
@@user-kg6pr1iv4i I mean, look at Richard Ayoade. He never has to say he’s just kidding but his jokes are all deadpan. That’s his comedy character. People understand he’s joking because he’s actually funny.
Well, yes, jokes shouldn’t end with “I’m joking!” But there’s nothing wrong with explaining a joke to someone who doesn’t get it. Some people just have a harder time getting jokes.
he says they're just joking but....... uh.... every single person watching them probably doesn't think they're FAKING their homophobia and ableism and misogyny. are they gonna tell their fan base that the lgbtq+ community isn't WRONG and that feminism is valid? of course not, because even if they don't actually think that way, they're enabling that behaviour, which is... inherently.... homophobic/misogynistic/ableist
Right! Transphobes probably watch him and think it’s the best thing in the world, and if it really is a joke they should really clarify that. But it’s obviously not and they would never do that.
Yep. A good way to tell how a creator acts is the way their fanbases acts and the audience they attract (it's not a perfect way to tell because people from fanbases can suck regardless, but if the majority of the fanbase is generally nice and respectful you can assume that the creator is the same way) So, if the fanbase is actually homophobic, they're obviously not in on the """"joke"""", and Joe is actually just homophobic.
I literally don't care if this guy is a feminist LGBT+ ally, his whole schtick is going out of his way to make people feel significantly uncomfortable - to the point of getting his viewers to bully a girl he supposedly agrees with in discord - and that's bad enough.
15:48 BOILS MY BLOOD that he’s joking about an ANTI RAPE PROTEST. Apparently women (who live in a country were femocide is a huge problem) SINGING A SONG ABOUT RAPE, is radical and destructive. What the actual fuck I’m so mad.
People who defend awful things that may hurt someone, then argue as if they are trying to influence people into thinking that kind of humor is acceptable .. they are self aware and are likely the type to disagree with the majority on anything related to having humanity. "I live to spread the hate hate hate. If you get mad at me for this you're the idiot lol I stay in your head rent free." Spoiler warning they are never gonna show their soft side either because it goes against the troll mentality.
if snowyjoe really is joking and doesn’t believe what he says you still know he would never publicly support the lgbt community because the people who watch him and make him money DO agree with the jokes he makes
Actually good idea. If thwy are just jokes then he would have no issue saying that while showing support, because if you are making those jokes and holding those beliefs then you are a bigot. So let's go Sloppy Joe why are you so silent?! I am using the term joke VERY FUCKING LOSELY HERE
58:00 ... my jaw dropped when he told her to "relax your t!tties." The disrespect he has for women is so loud. And this is to a total stranger, I can't imagine how gross he is to a woman he knows
as a sociology nerd, here's the thing about jokes. they serve a social purpose. they tell people something about you and what you think is ok to make light-hearted comments about. and then the person making the joke can also gage what the other person's views on said topic are based on how they respond to the joke. and so here's the thing. when ppl make transphobic, misogynistic jokes, they're blatantly, for everyone to see,s tating that they think these issues that DO NOT AFFECT THEM, SO IT CAN'T BE HUMOR USED TO COPE WITH THESE AWFUL THINGS, that they think they're not very serious, they can be made light hearted, and they aren't inherently serious topics that should always be handled seriously because peoople are quite literally killed due to transphobia, misogyny, and transmisogyny specifically. he's just telling me that he finds some sort of humor in the fact that people are killed because of these deeply ingrained social things. the second function is that he can gage whether other ppl feel the same way, that these aren't deeply serious topics that take lives daily, and once he realizes that they've got similar views in that way, he can expand into non-jokes and be non-jokingly misogynistic and transphobic because he knows that others around him feel similarly. i'm assuming he's neurotypical since he doesn't seem to understand the social function of humor the way that i think most autistic ppl like me tend to just..... piece apart nt social interaction to try to figure out what they're really saying bc istfg nt's insist on speaking in code. so i'm sure he'd see this and say i'm overanalyzing it, but there are articles on this and i'm sure he could easily find it. also it's not funny to say slurs or grown-up. ur just a douche admitting you don't realize that ableism has been used as an excuse for genocide for centuries and/or that you agree that disabled ppl are disposable lol
just out of curiosity, if a trans person jokes about transphobia (particularly with friends who are allies/also trans), what does that say about them, if anything? is it read more as a "hahahah im releasing my feelings about this"?
@@rendmedead i think self-deprecating jokes are generally viewed differently from other-deprecating jokes. but it's also important to remember that they're not a good coping mechanism. and it does insinuate that we don't take our own suffering seriously. enough. but i mean for most of us there's very little healthy outlets for those sorts of things, so whatever can help us make it thru.
This is so well put! I think it's also important to recognize that "dark" humor is kinda just a bastardization of the term Gallows humor. The point of gallows humor is to make light of a situation you are experiencing, not to tell others that they just don't get humor
>entire defense is “it’s just a joke” >uses the clip where Nick says their entire defense is gonna be “it’s just a joke” >only response is to complain about nick goofing on British accents Edit: I don’t understand how you can write, film, and edit an entire video and still manage to maintain such a lack of self awareness
The arguments aren't for youtube in general it's for their fanbase. Their fans are twelve year olds so he argued and made a video like he was twelve. I think.
I can't comprehend how he doesn't see the irony when he's says."its just a joke" while making fun of LGBTQ+ but then gets genuinely offended when someone makes fun of him for being british....
Someone else also pointed this out, but the fact that they care more about being called unfunny over being called transphobic, misogynistic, etc, is VERY telling.
You can't excuse bigotry with jokes. It's never "just a joke" this guy acts like nick "twisted Joe's words" but he was just pointing out transphobia, homophobia, and sexism in Joey snowflakes videos
Something that I've learned over the years is that whenever a friend of a bigot says "oh but they're so nice!" That practically ALWAYS means that the person being referred to is only nice to people they consider worthy of that respect. Someone can be a bigot to another person but still pat themselves on the back on the same day because, to them, they treated everyone who deserves respect with politeness, and in their minds, certain (usually minority and lgbtq) groups simply Do Not Deserve Respect. It's dehumanizing and making jokes at the expense of these groups only makes it worse.
As a trans person who hasn't started to transition (poverty moment), I've met some of THE nicest people EVER who've immediately purposely use the wrong name/pronouns for an out-and-proud trans woman that's our neighbor or even going so far as to say shit like "he/she/it" or tr*nny or whatever. But of course, because I don't _look_ trans, I don't get that same treatment. It's all smiles and politeness and wonderful behavior. I even made a point to let one of the neighbors go on their transphobic "i don't like [her], i think that lifestyle is sinful, I don't understand why someone would do that, etc etc" before I went "so actually I am trans so i'll explain exactly why we would 'do that' lol" Bonus points for the neighbor who's also racist to our black neighbors (hard-R N-Word and all, without hesitation as well) and then got all sad when I stopped associating with her. Like... she _really_ expected me to still be neighborly and stop for a cup of coffee and a chat like i used to... after calling our neighbor's children the N-word? 🤨
Nick: “Hey, maybe don’t go to pride protests just to belittle and harass lgbt people.” Him: “It’s just a fookin’ joke, bruv. Americans don’t understand comedy. Right bunch a’ snowflakes, mate.” Nick: “Hehe. It’s chewsday, innit?” Him: **Angry fish and chip noises** And he wants to say Americans don’t get jokes.
@@rainbow6doc212 It doesn’t matter what your intentions are or if you and a certain subset of people have their ‘own sense of humor’ it can still offend or insult some one else and dismissing those concerns as “just jokes” is beyond immature and not a valid excuse.
@@langleymneely that's what's wrong with this generation everything's offensive its a joke if I said I'm gonna kick a 5 Yr old im not actually gonna do it it's a joke people need to take a joke
@@rainbow6doc212 The problem is that when you make offensive jokes like punching down to trans people for example, there are people who legitimately believe and do this. The absurdity factor is no longer present and it becomes questionable if this is legit or not. H!tler had a sense of humor that was his own, but that doesn't make any antisemetic jokes he made any less disgusting. A pedophile has their own sense of attraction, is it really so bad they're attracted to children? I'm trying to describe the logic you're portraying, not trying to compare this to pedophilia so to speak. Just explaining that, just because you have your own humor, when it's directly causing harm to other people, then it's not longer just about you. End of story. At the end of the day, this comes down to the fact he's punching down, not to mention, his "humor" is literally just shitting on people and laughing. That's not humor. That's just being an asshole.
His defense is that "they're only jokes", yet nothing that Joe has _ever_ said is funny.. Jokes are supposed to be funny? So where are the jokes?! 💀 Saying offensive shit with no setup or punchline and calling it 'edgy humor' is so 2012 🙄
@@approximateknowledge5577 Exactly. Real dark humor is taking a taboo topic and making it funny and humorous to discuss in a non-hostile or insulting manner. There's a great example of Louis C.K., and I'm not here to discuss the comic himself, rather just this one joke, where the joke was at the absurdity of the reasoning or concept behind such heinous acts. MatPat covers this wonderfully in a film theory episode about Pewdiepie and the entire controversy around his joke that sorta ruined his career in a lot of ways. The joke isn't at the expense of the rape victims but the rapists themselves, so victims and those who may be sensitive about such subjects are more inclined to be able to laugh along. It's a great example of a good dark humor joke over a very sensitive subject.
I love that all these men do is deflect. These men are the reason women are scared to live their lives. All these men do is make blatant racist, sexist, homophobic comments and claim “it’s just a joke” when jokes are funny and these are not.
Just so you know, the video Joe was reacting to and the whole "radical feminists", it's a Mexican protest against feminicides in our country and the sudden raise of feminism in general. In Mexico 11 women die from reasons related to gender every day, very few sa, r*pe, etc, cases get reported and from those only 3% get justice (women don't report because the system makes it very hard to do so), wich means 97% percent of the aggressors are still on the streets. While Nick is right, most protest are peaceful, like the song and choreography for "the rapist is you", it is also true that we had a lot of violent protest. *BUT* , it didn't happen out of nowhere, after many many many peaceful protest our government would ignore us, and the general public would dismiss us, this made feminism grow, and eventually if they didn't hear us peaceful, we would make ourselves loud enough. The so called "radical feminist" he dismisses, where VITAL, because they were the only ones brave enough to risk their life and risk getting in jail for the cause. And it worked, we're still not there yet but we have accomplished a lot. We have a couple of new laws that came to be because of the protests and abortion is on the way to being legal in the whole country. So yeah, of course I wouldn't expect someone like Joe and his friend to understand that, because he probably doesn't even have the mental capacity to even process a joke, but I wanted to let you know a little bit of it.
yeah, the blindfold thing immediately would suggest to most people that this is either some kind of memorial protest, or some type of high-concept symbolism (maybe an attempt at protesting more theatrically), and Joe just refuses to engage with any of it at all. It's infuriating. There's no intellectual curiosity.
@@sholem_bond I didnt even know the context until I read some comments on that video, but it was still so obvious that the blindfolds where symbolic and meant something.
What these kinds of people, often white cis men, do not realise, is that none of us in minority groups want to get it to that point. None of us want to vandalise property. But people in places of privilege ignore us, our peaceful attempts. Brush them off. And then they have the audacity to say that when people have had enough, when the disenfranchised have had enough, we are the unreasonable ones. I hope the laws stick and that abortion is legalised. Good luck to women and afab people in Mexico
Thank you so much for this! So many women and young girls have been murdered for simply existing in Mexico, but that’s not what these guys are ready to understand in the video 🙄 I have family in Juarez and I’m scared for them because of the gendered violence against women, and the blatant sexism and misogyny. Hopefully things do change and it looks like we’re slowly getting there!
I am so glad someone finally spoke up about nick manipulating us. One time nick came to my house choked me to death brought me back to life just to choke me again. Never trust anyone on the internet you never know who may be lying.
he broke in from my window and stole my cat, just to run away with him and the next day he was streaming like nothing happened. i just want my cat back nick please i miss him
I always find people that hear “I want to be treated equal to men” and immediately go “THEN I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIT YOU” Like ???? Gross Why is your first thought violence ??
Prolly cuz men are more aggressive and also the whole thing of 'don't hit women'. So their thought would be "oh well I'm allowed to hit other men and women want to be like man so I should be able to hit her like a man if they want to be equal". Like ig one could see the point but the aggressive approach to equality with women and feminine people gives like.....1900's abusive husband to housewife type of vibes. Idk if that made sense
@@Mars-dw2zc yea but its generally worse if you hit a woman. If 2 dudes are fighting punching each other then its just like "oh they're just fighting" vs if u see a man and woman fighting punching each other then people react and maybe other dudes come in and defend the girl and beat up the dude and gets worse charges. Thats usually what I've seen happen so even if it is assault, if its towards a woman its seen as worse even if it's equally as bad if done to other ppl. Thats where the whole "women wanna be equal so equal rights,equal lefts" (meaning men should be able to fight women like men,which in specific female led abuse should be accepted just how a woman fights back against male led abuse. Just my thoughts)
@@YeetTheMeat I’m well aware of why but maybe let’s just not hit people ??? Also: men on women violence is already stupid high so apparently they don’t need equality to hit us anyway. It’s just gross and shows their mindset and priorities- that’s all I’m saying
@UC-HmjFI3-MVaveTx9Dhy7fQ when I say I want equality, I mean it for everyone. I wish we didn’t force guys to pretend their robots. It’s not healthy. I believe everyone needs therapy. But these kinds of people hate that sentiment too.
I will NEVER get over the timing of you talking about your British friend Jordan at the EXACT same time as Jordan commenting “you don’t have any British friends”
nah i joined their discord and they are 100% terrible, whether they are "joking" or not. their moderators suck and they were so flustered and wondering why the server was so active (meaning its mostly not) and they were even muting people who were being completely calm because they got tired of standing up for themselves or whatever they were calling it. impact over intention and snowy joe has built a community that sucks. i think the funniest was when a guy was in shock there was a raid and said "well joes channel has been dead anyway i dont interact with him"
One dude was @ing every person he could to tell them to kill themselves until a mod muted the entire chat. When it got reopened they immediately started bullying their own mod. Jfc
@@carolinegoss6669 i had no idea it even got that bad i couldn’t look in there for more than 30 secs at a time 😒 i hope people are reporting the server & i hope it gets shut down,, it’s not even one of those “fun” servers to go and troll or whatever. they just suck
How do I say this without it sounding … you know … these little British white need to sit down if you came to the U.S better yet NY saying shit like that to females or people in general your getting FUCKED UP. no one obviously hasn’t turned around and knocked him out yet . I volunteer 🙂.
I find it absolutely hilarious when people use the "but that's their online presence, you can't judge them as a person based on that!" as if sloppy joe has no control over the content he posts and no say in the jokes he writes (if you could call them jokes)
And it's not like Nick's going "ik joe irl, he sucks" (which im sure he does anyway but still) and using his videos as proof. Of course we dont know him irl, but we know the persona he chooses to put on the internet and we're criticizing that
The whole “he’s just a guy going to pride and making jokes” argument is the same as justifying “oh he’s just a white guy in blackface at a blm protest”
though there isn't a longstanding history of people dressing as gay people to mock and strawman us (it does happen and it's harmful, it just doesn't have the long terrible history that blackface has)
@@skeleletonboi4533 definitely, but also it’s the same sort of situation at least, just pretending to be gay instead of black. Either way, it’s horrible, but I get what you mean and would probably be more offended if it were blackface as well
love how he plays this off as British humour when all the actual brits in the videos are uncomfortable and don't understand Snowy Joe's "humour" either
Can we just talk about the fact that through this entire video, Manter didn’t show the part where Snowy Joe and his entire band of idiots went into a feminist server, got one single girl on a voice call, and just... berated her, telling her that no one cared about her, they hated her, etc, following which Snowy Joe says he hopes she was stressed out, which was the entire reason people went to Snowy Joe’s server at all. Meanwhile he’s whining about the people coming to HIS server, as if they hadn’t literally done that themselves, and people could easily see it if they watched Nick’s video. “They all came in telling us to kill ourselves!!” like you guys did to Katie? Which Snowy Joe then posted publicly? Show us the proof that Nick’s fans even said any of that. He was SO quick to defend everything Snowy Joe did as “just a joke”, but he KNEW he couldn’t defend what they did to Katie, so he just pretended like it didn’t exist at all, hoping the people watching his video would be too stupid to actually do their research and watch Nick’s full video.
@@sanabanaqt i think you meant source, illiterate but anyways, their discord is deleted and manter left ages ago but their discord is deleted because they do in rl videos now… the same girl was a moderator in the SERVER so… don’t make yourself look like a total fool by misspelling source 💀💀💀
@@morelorel I don't think misspelling "source" makes you a fool,.. prolly was just a typo and your getting pressed for no reason, making a claim and not being able to provide a source makes you look pretty dumb as well. also even if it was staged, joe never mentioned it being staged and this kind of thing really influences random 14 - 16 year old kids to do the same kinda act and attack random people on the internet for shit that no sane person would even think twice about. also the fact you needed to put your brain power into figuring out the commenter meant source 🤓🤓🤓🤓.
People like him don't seem to understand what separates joking from bullying. Most good comedy has the people without power punching up. When you're a straight person mocking the LGBT community, you're punching down. Its not humor, its humiliation.
I'm gay, Jewish, and neurodivergent, so I can make jokes involving the f slur, Jewish stereotypes, and stuff like that cuz its about me. I cant make jokes about other minorities because that just isnt my place to do such a thing. Like another comment here said "it isnt gallows humor if you arent on the gallows. Then you're just heckling someone whos about to die"
I recently wrote a paper focusing on satire in a literary studies course. Even if I try to apply the things that I've learned in that course I cannot find anything funny about Snowy Joe's content. The way his friend tries to defend him by simply repeating "How stupid do you have to be to not understand the joke" just proves that there is no joke. If your joke is clever you should be able to explain what the joke is. How does the joke work? What power structure are you criticizing? Punching down is not a joke, laughing about the fact that trans people and feminists exist is not a joke. That's just making fun of people for existing and thereby contributing to their discrimination. That's not comedy or a joke or humor. That's called being a cruel asshole.
Dude even my high school classmates are correcting their grammar by whenever they say something they know is bad they apologize, something these grown ass men refuse to do
I’m autistic and have several other disabilities and I have to say I really appreciate your guys take on the R-Word and I’m glad you called him out I feel like the word is thrown around to much and it’s extremely hurtful so thank you so much
"He's not homophobic, he just makes EDGY JOKES" that's where I checked out. I've had enough of comedians being bigots then claiming its actually not bigotry, its "EDGE". At least be a hateful with your full chest.
Totally, also edgy, implies that they are riding the edge between what is taboo, and what isn't. When you have already jump ship into being a full-blown bigot, what you say is no longer edgy. Cause you have fallen into the abyss, not standing on the edge
the whole joke is just bigotry as well, there is no joke except for shock humour like WOW?? YOU SAID THAT TO A MINORITY?? theres no set up or punchline hes just punching down. the laziest and lamest form of comedy
Like there's totally a different between being sexist and joking ABOUT sexism. I think it's funny to impersonate a sexist and do it in a mocking way, but there's a line and you absolutely NEED to make sure that people know you don't actually believe those things you're mocking
They’re making jokes out of others suffering that they have never experienced themselves. It’s literally just coming from apathy, or being a sociopath.
as a brit who knows many guys like this, i hate to see that they get to have reasonably big platforms to spread this 'humour'. it's so much worse hearing it in a widespread youtube video than an offhand comment in a classroom :/
While the history isn’t the same, there is a history of discriminating against intellectually disabled people and denying them of basic rights, including locking them away in inhumane institutions or even justifying their murder. Police in many places regularly target people with intellectual disabilities, frame them for crimes, or justify abuse and murder against them. This sort of thing is also more frequent with black people with intellectual impairments due to how the identities intersect. One of the most famous works of literature with an intellectually disabled man is Of Mice and Men, where the story in the end frames the murder of an intellectually disabled man as merciful. Many with intellectual disabilities, or even just perceived intellectual disabilities, are more likely to be bullied, socially isolated, given inadequate education, experience poverty, etc. The r slur doesn’t need a history comparable to the n word for it to have a history worth acknowledging. A lot of people with intellectual impairments or other neurological disorders do have trauma related to the word. I think it’s still used as official terminology in some places, but I don’t think it’s used in most places today (especially since it’s not accurate; many people are intellectually impaired due to acquired injuries later in life for example). I was in the server the other day and these people don’t actually object to using the n word at all so this doesn’t matter in regard to them. They seem devoid of basic empathy tbh, but I thought it worth mentioning for the people in this community who might be less familiar with ableism that, even if it’s not the same as the n word, the r slur does have a significant history and you shouldn’t use that term to refer to another person. People with intellectual impairments can reclaim the slur for themselves if they wish like how many other communities reclaim slurs used against them, but most don’t.
Very well said. I’ll never understand why people feel entitled to use slurs, then complain when someone stands up to them. Oh boy, how they will cry about how unfair it is to them that they have to hear about the crap that comes out of their mouth…THEY are the snowflakes that they constantly make fun of!! I’m pretty empathetic and don’t have the urge to insult people, but if something I said offended somebody, I wouldn’t defend saying it. The point is how it’s received. I’d rather not hurt people, so i would respect how they feel. I don’t understand why that is so hard for people. I think maybe it threatens their feeling of superiority or something. Anyway, thanks for explaining the history behind the r slur, its pretty ugly and a lot of people probably don’t think about it.
Exactly. It still happens today. I've been denied jobs at fucking mcdonalds and supermarkets as a teenager due to being institutionalised at the time and them having "bad experiences" with other kids from there who had nothing to do with me. They didn't even let me try. Straight up ableism.
^ the institution itself was also incredibly inhumane and made me develop PTSD. shit sucks. ableism is real, it's not that hard to just not say a word.
jordan: he's painting him in a homophobic and transphobic light! all our fans understand that! also everyone in snowy joe's discord raids: (commenting homophobic and transphobic slurs, not as a joke and to cause mayhem) it's not "painting in a light" if it's actually true lol, he and his fans are actually transphobic and homophobic.
Makes it sadder that the are MORE offended by being called unfunny than they are about being transphobic or misogynistic! “Thems juss JOHKES Bruv, BUT HOW DARE YOU SAY WEES AIN FUHNY!!?!”
i’m not saying they are, but say these WERE jokes. they’d be very cheap, unoriginal, and lazy ones. every white male high school graduate who was called a class clown at an open mic night has this exact set. edgy or dark is code word for i can’t make an original joke that doesn’t rely on bigotry because i’m actually not funny, and this clown just proves it considering the only attempts at comedy i saw was him poorly making fun of the american accent.
I mean, it can be funny if the joke is about something you deal with, because you then understand it and are attacking yourself, not some unrelated group, but Joe and his friends clearly don't fit that bill. For example, I'm gay, Jewish, and neurodivergent, so I can make offensive jokes around that because I know what I'm talking about and im the punchline, not some innocent person or people. Joe, who is very obviously straight and neurotypical, however, cannot make those jokes because he'd just be insulting people he does not understand. Someone had a quote in another thread that I really liked, it went: "it isnt gallows humor if you arent on the gallows. Then you're just heckling someone whos about to die"
I really have nothing to add to this lmao these kinds of people will see you quietly nose exhale at one of their shitty jokes and they'll make it their only personality trait.
"Nobody knows who this Nick guy is. Everyone knows The Dropouts." I've been watching Nick for at least 6 months and 6 seconds ago I didn't even know the dropouts existed
I feel like the only people who have heard of them are the types of people actively looking for "comedy" that makes fun of LGBTQ+ people in a futile attempt to feel superior.
I think what bothers me about the whole “took it out of context” is that a lot of times no context would make it better. Using slurs you can’t reclaim is not okay (referencing him using the r slur which most disabled people don’t even reclaim). There is no context for that. Being homophobic and transphobic is not okay. No context needed. He was borderline harassing minors while being too much of a coward to make fun of them right then and 5ere. Probably because he knew he’d at the very least be removed from the area.
sorry, is that suppose to be an insult? they are mates and stick up for each other and thats what friends do im on no ones side here but there just joking and they dont mean it and would not say this in real life i hope
@@imabored3148 they most likely do though, if they can say it online. And idk if u watched the video or not but the "jokes" they make literally arent that. They're saying really messed up stuff and when someone disagrees they say it's a joke so they dont get shit for it.
As a British person, I think Nick’s British accent is great. Also that guys voice annoys me. Some mean people just have a certain tone of voice that makes them sound angry all the time. (Probably because they’re butthurt about their jokes not being funny.)
People like him need to understand that not everything is pronounced their way. Imagine an American tells a non-American or a non-English speaker that they’re pronouncing a word wrong…🙃 they’re ignorant lmao not every American or English speaker pronounces things the same way. As long as you understand the word and it’s used correctly based on context then..what’s the issue..? Like why did that anger him so much? 😭
Sloppy Joe calls feminism an “epidemic”, implying it is bad (and proceeds to show videos of women who aren’t even being extremists), yet when Nick points that out, this guy tries to tell us that he never said that??? Does he know what an epidemic is? I also find that people who claim to have “edgy” senses of humour really just have no intelligent jokes to make, they’re simply all just laughing at someone else’s expense, particularly people who have been discriminated against for years. It really is insensitive for people who have never experienced that discrimination and inequality to make jokes about it, and it just makes them look stupid.
Feminism is literally just "men and women being equal". So when he calls it an epidemic, he's just saying that more and more people.... agree that women should be equal to men? And he thinks that's bad? Yikes
"How do you expect us to react when thousands of people came into the server and told us to kill ourselves" Literally the only stuff he shows from the server: I'M GONNA PISS ON THE MOON
"Radical feminist vandalizing property" "why are they wearing blind folds this isn't bird box" the amount of ignorance in these statements... if they actually took the time to educate themselves maybe they would realize, that in countries like turkey where these prostests are happening women are getting beaten and murdered daily and nothing is done about it.
manter's video is just him complaining about Nick not understanding jokes while he is not understanding Nick's jokes for 16 minutes straight. fkn exhausting
What's funny (not really) is that they could probably say that and get away with it, while people STILL defend them and act like they aren't homophobic or sexist.
That bit where he does the weird "joke" about you not having a dad or whatever, and then arguing back and forth with a strawman voice while showing a picture of you that he clearly got from pausing during an unflattering frame, was honestly so fucking embarrassing, I don't know how an actual grown adult still does that lmao.
@@SM-yz4hi I had to pause the video and was like, "this man.....is arguing with himself....." You took the words right out my mouth, because this is truly pathetic. And when arguing with HIMSELF he says it's not that deep, when he IS ARGUING WITH HIMSELF 😂😂😂. I can't get over how hilarious and sad that is.
I absolutely hated the part when he assumed nick didn't have a loving dad just to paint him as weak or whatever. I grew up without a loving father and it had a huge impact on me. You cannot joke abt stuff that genuinely affects people.
Its so dumb when people assume you grew up without a father and use it as a jab at your personality or sexuality. Like I grew up with a loving father, and I'm still bisexual. Its so weird to say "not having a dad made you gay". Like what? Did having a dad make you straight? Obviously growing up with or without parents will affect you, especially if it was a positive or negative experience, but it's honestly not the business of anyone else and nobody should assume anything JUST based on personality. I get told I'm "fatherless" and it's so infuriating (especially because I actually lost my dad to Covid several months ago). People should be treated as individuals and the amount of respect they receive should not be based on who their parents were, or whether or not you grew up with parents. Its just so weird to me for someone to be like "SOMEONE has some daddy issues" or "imagine being fatherless" as a way to insult your personality or lifestyle. Its just mean
49:00... if you're making fun of someone by calling them a term used to put down people with mental disabilities, you're comparing them to people with mental disabilities to make fun of them, which means that you're making fun of people with mental disabilities if you're using it as an insult. that argument is so backwards. If you want to call your friend an idiot, call them an idiot. I call my friends stupid all the time without saying slurs, there are a lot of synonyms for the word idiot that aren't slurs
@@maisieeeeeee lol it is affecting others, including me, I've gotten called a retard for years because I have ADD, and ADD is not even that bad compared to others. So when people use that word just for laughs is very fucky, at least to me. I even worked with kids with disabilities, bullies called them retards and had them cry in a corner. Just because it's not affecting you doesn't mean it's not affecting others.
Isn’t it weird how every single transphobic, homophobic and misogynist person says “it’s just a joke” and that “sorry you can’t understand humour” like dude it’s not funny when the butt of the joke is people. It’s not cool to make fun of minorities and people with less rights
I stand firm on my belief that offensive humor is supposed to be funniest to those its targeting, otherwise its just bullying. If a trans person wont laugh at your transphobic joke, its not a joke and you are a horrible person
Lmaoo the dislikes are probably snowy joes friends and him himself, that's sad tbh. They're uneducated, transphobic, and their whole group of supporters is 12 year old boys. Pathetic honestly, I love how Nick is just calm through out this whole thing- anyways I'd like to see nick call with the group like he did with nick foster but they'll just yell over him like toxic middle school boys. Either way they sound dumb tbh.
My parents are from UK, and my dad said lots of Brits can't tell the difference between an American and a Canadian. So it's ironic when they make fun of Americans for having "bad geography". I'm Canadian, but if someone from UK assumes I'm American , I pretend to think they are Australian lol
I literally cannot get over that he said that because it’s such a Zoomer thing… like society progressing past saying a particular derogatory word happens all the time, but those refusing to do so are creepily attached to saying a word with no value besides being an insult 😬
If someone says a transphobic or homophobic joke… it’s till transphobic and homophobic 💀 like as Kurtis said, If you come late to work everyday as a joke, you’re still late to work and you’re still getting fired 🙏💀 like bruh it’s basic knowledge.
in the wise words of Kurtis Connor,
“It’s not dark humor, you’re just an asshole.”
t h i s .
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@@froggycheckers it's four letters
@@nateeschenweck3608 ik! Not going for perfection /lh
@@froggycheckersour mayor is the best
like kurtis conner once said "if you're being sexist and misogynistic as a joke, you're still being sexist and misogynistic."
You should live a little and accept jokes are jokes, don't take things to heart to much lol
@@Hammzly jokes are supposed to be funny though.
@@Hammzly How are they jokes?
@@Hammzly Y'all make offensive jokes but get surprised when people get offended. You asked for it.
@@sophitiaofhyrule because comedy isn't for everyone and offensive jokes are jokes just not everybody is gonna laugh at them, people like you try to kill comedy because it's to "offensive", like when the left tried to cancel Dave Chappell over a trans joke.
i love how they brag about having "offensive humor" yet get offended by literally everyone
bro fr
also 69th like :)
Reminds me of christian Republican homophobes who call people snowflakes but then freaked the fuck out because lil nas x made a song about being gay and going to hell
@@gremlinwc8996 that’s because those types of people are masters of projection. They call everyone what they are.
the chud paradox
Women: "Can we not be raped and murdered please?"
Snowy and friends: "Omg so radical, feminism has gone too far!"
they think that multiple genders is a radfem idea. which is so ironic
@@ona512 i just imagine that their mind would actually melt if they read anything from dworkin if they think modern gender theory is radfem lol. but the again, that’s assuming they can read so I’m probably giving him too much credit right there
@@ona512 funny thing is people who do identify as radical feminists are terfs who think there are 2 rigid genders too.
@@ozge8262 Yeah that’s what they meant…
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I've never met a person who likes to "own crazy blue-haired feminists" and also genuinely views women as equals lol
he thinks “views women as equals” means “i don’t want women to be wiped off the face of the earth”, and anything more feminist than that is “too far” lol
@@SM-yz4hi lol yes the guys ik who say these things this is their view exactly
can confirm, the same people who insult me for coloured hair on twitter end up saying something sexist or homophobic to me (and imply i'm uneducated when i'm in my third year of a politics degree)
Then maybe you should walk outside and have an interaction. Everybody is completely PC Blinded. The people who make jokes about “blue-haired women” already view them as equal, that’s why they think it’s ridiculous they’re protesting for “equal rights.” This type of content actually be offensive and disrespectful if it was the past when women actually weren’t equal. Long story short, these people don’t view women as “less-than” or “shouldn’t be equal”, they view those specific women as irrational
@@soSkinni cringe response lmao
This the type of guy to call people snowflakes and say they’re triggered but make a 16 minute video yelling at the camera cause his friend was criticized
And who would also get triggered about Montero by lil nas x. Idk if they were or weren't annoyed by montero but they strike me as people who 100% would
“YOU’RE A FUCKING IDIOT BRUV” God it’s so pathetic.
THIS.
“You’re so sensitive” says the man yelling at someone on their screen who can’t hear them
It's sad he even does that. Defending his grown ass friend as if he can't speak for himself
“This grown adult refuses to say a slur. That’s so cringey. Just say the slur, you loser.” In a video where he’s trying to prove that his friends aren’t hateful assholes. Very convincing, my guy.
They care more about being perceived as not funny than being called misogynistic or transphobic?! Hilarious!
jsjdjd. exactly omg
Langley M Neely wonder where the punchline to that joke was. huh, manter? care to comment ? * static *
It's like, dude, it's because he's a grown ass adult that he won't say the slur. Because he has the maturity, of a grown ass adult. It's almost like it's people with the emotional maturity levels of a middle schooler who are those saying said slur. Ffs, how backwards can you get that logic, lmao-
@sir, this is a Benny's y'all always gotta being black ppl into shit. Maybe realize he isn't black before ur racism pops out
If she has to say "no" three times and remove herself from the situation in order for him to leave her alone - it's not a normal interaction.
Probably normal for them lol
def normal for them… anyone else past the first no should have been the answer. some men don’t care that no means no
If you’re harassing a woman on the street as a joke, you’re STILL harassing a woman on the street 🤷♀️ they should’ve been like “okay, that’s fine” and moved on. I swear, they’re the kinds of people to excuse everything they do with “it was just a joke.” And hey, sure it might’ve been, but at the end of the day, regardless of your intentions, there are serious consequences and outcomes to your actions.
“You’re a 22 year old man, it’s not cute it’s cringey” it’s cringey that Nick… does not want to say a slur and is not happy that someone else said a slur?????
Being an adult with morals and a personal obligation to not offend or hurt anyone is SOOO CRINGEY BRUV! lol
The funniest part is this kid is like 18. He's gunna be so embarrassed in a few years lol.
Refusing to use a word that could offend people is cringe!!!!!
@@raiimond having maturity and the consideration of marginalized people and their feelings??? Ewwwww 🤮🤮🤮
@@langleymneely horrifying that there are real people who think being considerate is “cringe” bc they were raised by this type of brain rotting content
Joey isn't only "pretending" to be an idiot, he IS an idiot. His humor isn't humor, it's not like a type of joke, it's like if Kaitlyn Bennet called herself a comedian
Ngl tho, her shitting herself as she's trying to frame herself as a serious person IS pretty funny
EXACTLY
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@@agroteraaaa hell yeah 😎
Lol
cannot believe nick is manipulating me into thinking bad people are bad people
He did take the masterclass
Cancel him
unacceptable
Love soup. Better than big guy
@@binoodle511 true
Okay, nobody is gonna read this, but I want to explain the protests that were shown.
Those happened in Latin America, the song sang by the women saying ''you are the rapist'' is actually a remake of the Police of Chile sings called ''A police man in your way'', there was at least 10 cases a day of women murdered in Chile that year and many other cases of rape, MANY cases of rape by POLICE, many women and little girls that went to the police for help ended up being sexually assaulted by police and went unpunished, and so in the March 8 protest, the peaceful protesters sang the song now named ''A rapist on your way'', these protests happen in all Latin America every year, its called ''8M Protest'', Mexico City being the largest 8M march. It starts as a peaceful protest, with female SWAT teams protecting protesters even, but later in the day ''hooded protesters'' go violent, destroying doors and windows of EMPTY police and government buildings, by then, the peaceful protesters and families already left and the female SWAT team is switched to male armed police men. We don't really consider those protesters radical, but understand that this is a CULTURAL thing, its just normal here that in March 8, we will protest outside of government buildings, with thousands of pictures of the thousands of girls that have disappeared, killed and raped, and 100% of the time, protesters will paint on male colonizer statues, slavery icons statues and president statues, on government buildings, on the outdoor stairs of the building etc. They do not attack people, they do not attack family or local businesses, they destroy the doors of government buildings that have a history of LITERALLY closing the door and turning OFF the lights outside at women asking for help. An average of 10 to 11 women die at the hands of men in Mexico every day. And some simply say it was ''because they were horny'' You cannot compare a protest in Mexico with one in the US or the UK, things are just different here and YES this IS quite radical and crazy and overall horrible for an outside person from a different country, I agree, but so are the crimes against women here. He cannot put those clips of Mexico and other Latin America countries and use it to prove the point, because its just a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT context. We aren't the US or the UK, aren't asking for fair paychecks, or fair treatment in politics, or fairness in schools... we are literally asking for 1. To let us live. Literally. 2. Pursue and Punishment for rapists and killers, cuz yes, there isn't any.. 3. Justice.. Revolutions did not happen by asking nicely, and YES we DO ask nicely still.
15:49 AND THE REASON they were blindfolds is to represent the government and police playing dumb at the fact that their own policemen were raping girls who went to them for help.- Because its a public performance, with a dance, a song, pieces of cloth of colors representing justice for those killed, Purple is for feminism, Green for Choice, Pink for Transgender Women's rights.
That just makes him even more worse.
i'm not mexican but i am from latin america and seeing him show those clips from a country that isn't obviously the USA or UK made me feel a bit iffy. femicidios where im from happen all the time and the worse part is that they NEVER have any media coverage, you'll never see these victims on tv or in the news. its like you said, you cant compare a country like the usa to latin american countries, the cultural difference and attitude is nowhere near the same as gringos
They’re so nasty honestly, imagine if they’re put in women’s shoes within that protest? I bet they wouldn’t be laughing anymore.
"i'm a straight cis dude whose here to to debate the validity of your identity, because your struggles are only theoretical to me. i can joke about it because i've never faced oppression nor the consequences of my actions!"
💯
Bars
Lol
This is getting screenshotted and stolen 👀
My dad be like:
call me a snowflake i guess but as an autistic woman hearing someone so blatantly call someone autistic as an insult and then defend themselves for saying it is so weird and upsetting for me. like trying to get over my internalized ableism on my own is hard enough but hearing people like this say that not saying the r-word is cringe his just horrible.
I know how you feel and it is horrible, I'm sorry
I’m autistic as well and I completely agree with u
I'm ND too (adhd) and this shit makes me sick. This is some 2016 ass humor, it's immature as hell.
Same. As an autistic person, it disturbs and disgusts me that he genuinely has no idea why its an issue. My existence isn't an insult. Its not a replacement for calling someone an idiot. And it certainly isn't up to an allistic to decide what slurs are less harmful and perfectly fine to say.
So sorry! I can only imagine how that must feel!
The fact that they're planning for a "revenge" is hilarious. They're so mad that someone called them unfunny 😂
It’s so sad and hilarious! They went off and got more offended because they were called unfunny! Not misogynistic or transphobic, no they are cool with those allegations cause “it’s juss JOHKES BRUV”! Lmao!🤣
Is that a Karamatsu icon? 👌
For the kinda videos they make you think they'd be used to people being upset with them
@@Gallant_Silver Why yes it is! C: ❤️
Your icon!!! You just unlocked a treasured memory for me 🥺🥺🥺
his bit about him being like "oh he's too scared to say the word r----d because he's putting up this fake woke persona" (or something along those lines, can't be bothered to properly quote him) is so strange
we in the autistic community have been telling people to stop for fucking years, and yeah, it is offensive to use that slur, given that it's a slur
I’m autistic aswell and I’m fed up of asking people nicely to stop anyone who says it from now on I’m stomping on there foot
this comment right here ^^^^^
exactly. when my eldest sister was born, she was called “mentally-r****ded” because that was what it was known as back then, almost 30 years ago (I think). my mom absolutely hates that word because of her eldest daughter. I’ve always been told NEVER to say it. of course there are better words for it now, like “mentally-ill” or of course the names for what (I dont wanna say problems but I cant think of another word) she has. idk if this make any sense but the r-slur is very very offensive and I hate anyone who uses it, even as a “joke”.
Over here it isnt considered a slur and regional difference is real no one over here whos mentally considered retarded does get annoyed about lol its only americans who get mad about it… same mfs who got mad at the word gypsy…
He would probably say the n word and f word too and be like "nooo it's just a joke bruv"
dude went on a whole rant about how Americans don't understand humor, but didn't catch your sarcasm not five minutes earlier.
@@melani6605 Stop
Ikr lmao
Brits have a sort of superiority complex. That's something I've noticed a lot
@@AKATSUKIROBES it’s the coloniser mindset lol. coming from a brit
@@ihljx I’m dead
I don't understand why these guys can't just admit they are irrationally judgemental and move on 🙄. Ppl in the LGBTQIA+ communty could honeslty care less, and I find it funny that Nick is perfectly calm and the other guy is so bothered😭.
People, especially those lacking maturity, have a super hard time admitting to others their faults. They tend to get angry and defensive and avoid admitting their faults at any point, when confronted with them. It’s a bit sad tbh.
as someone who's trans who saw whatever tf Sloppy Joe was doing I kinda just "meh" like dude I bet that half of the people ur making fun of don't give a shit bc they're worrying abt more important stuff. Like it's so weird that they call themselves unbothered in doing these jokes when someone calls them out on it, they just respond like chickens that got their heads cut off.
It’s telling that they are more upset and angry about being called unfunny than they are about being called transphobic or misogynistic! Pathetic.
@@langleymneely both are true though .. they're transphobic and not funny but people like them think that transphobia is their right
When did we get AI in this
This man literally can't comprehend someone finding the r-word offensive. Has normalized this slur so much he assumes anyone not using it is putting on a "cute" act.
I’m neurodiverse and even I watch when and where I say it bc it may offend other people
Right?? And it’s ironic thats he’s like “oh refusing to say the r-word is cringe” when using that word as a grown man is one of the most cringe things ever conceived
@@melani6605 deadass?
@@tims5978 same, I have so much trauma with it that I can’t even listen to it without breaking down
@@MakoWoman not to mention the whole cringe culture is typically used to bully ND or neuroatypicals like wtf
As a black British person, I hate it when people have this accent. He clearly grew up around upper class white people as he has a really posh accent, but then uses black British slang? Also his massively conservative views also give his upbringing away. Hate it.
what colored people british slang did he use? was it the donny thing? sorry, american here, just wondering!
thisssss!!! these kids were always the worst i swear
Same, confused on which we’re black British slang as another American haha.
he is coloured and british though? plus its not even a very upper class accent.
@@silverdandelions1908its kind of j the way he enunciates words and speaks, it’s kinda like AAVE , and it’s really easy for a british person to tell when another british person is putting on an accent so they don’t sound as posh. I assume it’s like how americans could probably be able to tell what state someone is from by their accent.
I really admire your ability to not take things like this really personally, and your ability to explain your side calmly despite the rudeness being shoved onto you.
part of the reason i watch nick is bc i want to be better at it haha
His stream with that other guy named Nick turned me from a fan to a super fan. He handled it sooooo well.
@@greenisnotnick I hope you know how comforting it is, as a queer trans person, to hear someone sticking up for the LGBTQ+ community like you are. You are calm, rational, and a wonderful ally(?) and that is very appreciated. Like a lot of LGBT people, I'm not in a good situation right now. But hearing you and this community speak out reminds me that there are good people in the world.
@@mreid86 that’s true, usually the ugliest part of the world it’s the loudest.
I like how he says, " oh he's a great person if you got to meet him". Like dude I'm trans and a feminist, he won't be nice to me. He's nice if you share his view!
Exactly!! Joe's nice to him because he's as much as an asshole
For real. Not to mention, it’s not wrong to judge his character based off what he CHOOSES to post online. Like sure it’s easy to say he’s great irl but all the evidence is to the contrary.
Also gotta love how people assume their bigoted friends will be nice to minorities, when again, all evidence is to the contrary. 🙄
@@hommefataltaemin your comment needs to be put on a picture frame, a billboard, whatever because this is beyond true
exactly
Yeah!! Im nb, bi, aspec and neurodivergent i would never be friends with this type of people. Bigots aren't fuckin nice
if your entire presence online is “pretending” to be bigoted/uneducated, you have to make it clear that you are pretending. if you attract an audience that consists entirely of people who genuinely agree with the talking points you’re passing off as jokes, then you’re doing it wrong
Also if that is your whole persona then at some point it feels like you are bigoted and are masking it by saying that it is a made up persona you made.
Yeah, Poe's law at the very least. Like, imo, if people can mistake your satire of bigotry for legit bigotry, then you've failed the satire part of it. Because at that point you're just adding bigotry to the pile.
That's what happened to r/GRU
The people that they were making fun of who didn't get it just flooded the sub and it became a cesspool of incels and bigots
@@evelynngaming7119 What is/was that subreddit about?
@@denaroth7296 making fun of Gamers™️
If anyone has evidence of the child pornography allegedly shared in the sever I highly encourage you report that to the FBI (or your country's equivalent). It is a federal offense to distribute it in the U.S., and I would imagine it's the same in other countries as well.
nah, I bet an anti is exaggerating about them showing anime like Boku No Pico or something, otherwise these dropouts woulda lost their Discords and would have never been heard from again.
@@ona512 you know about Onision right? Lol
@@ona512 "An Anti"
Aaaand blocked.
@@StoutShako yeah, it's a vague word, so you never know if you're thinking of something else entirely.
@@ona512 Anti? Anti what
Dark humor should be about your own issues, not other people’s.
THIS! Or be very witty in a way where it ends up making fun of sexists, homophobes and transphobes. Sloppy Joe has a complete lack of wit. When my friend and I were his age, we understood that. He’s just making lazy content where he bullies people and then says ‘lol joke’
“it’s not gallows humor if you’re not on the gallows. Then it’s just heckling someone who’s about to die” - my film professor some odd years ago.
@@whizzersterriblehorribleno773 thats an amazing quote
Exactly. I actually just posted a comment w Contrapoints’ quote from her excellent video on this exact point!!!
“It's boring and immature, like when someone says he wants to watch the world burn. You only get to watch when you have the privilege of not being on fire. It's edgy but it's not the darkness. The darkness is finding a way to laugh about being on fire.“
Or it can be used to shed a light in darkness. As in giving these issues a platform. Unfortunately people take the lazy route
Don’t let their idiocy get to you, you called them out for saying the r slur. You’re stopping the normalisation of ableism, we appreciate you.
Yeah, tbh in an ideal world it would be the bare minimum, but it's still not, so I really appreciate Nick calling it out (especially because I do have what's technically considered a developmental disability; AFAIK autism/ASD is still considered that, so it is actually a slur that affects me.)
Exactly!! I don't think that many creators would.
As someone who is "affected" by the word.
It doesn't bother me.
So glad that Elizabean has never been the victim of a hate crime 🙃 lucky you!
@@consentclub8431
I have I'm just not stupid enough to get upset about it.
quoth mike birbiglia, “Jokes have been ruined by people who aren’t good at telling jokes. A joke should never end with ‘I’m joking!’”
that’s a good one.
yesss
But deadpan humor is so fun 🥺
@@user-kg6pr1iv4i I mean, look at Richard Ayoade. He never has to say he’s just kidding but his jokes are all deadpan. That’s his comedy character. People understand he’s joking because he’s actually funny.
Well, yes, jokes shouldn’t end with “I’m joking!” But there’s nothing wrong with explaining a joke to someone who doesn’t get it. Some people just have a harder time getting jokes.
he says they're just joking but....... uh.... every single person watching them probably doesn't think they're FAKING their homophobia and ableism and misogyny. are they gonna tell their fan base that the lgbtq+ community isn't WRONG and that feminism is valid? of course not, because even if they don't actually think that way, they're enabling that behaviour, which is... inherently.... homophobic/misogynistic/ableist
Right! Transphobes probably watch him and think it’s the best thing in the world, and if it really is a joke they should really clarify that. But it’s obviously not and they would never do that.
Yep. A good way to tell how a creator acts is the way their fanbases acts and the audience they attract (it's not a perfect way to tell because people from fanbases can suck regardless, but if the majority of the fanbase is generally nice and respectful you can assume that the creator is the same way)
So, if the fanbase is actually homophobic, they're obviously not in on the """"joke"""", and Joe is actually just homophobic.
i’ve said 10x worse so dramatic
whats ableism??
@@vakarebaranauskaite6691 something made up so they can play the victim again
I literally don't care if this guy is a feminist LGBT+ ally, his whole schtick is going out of his way to make people feel significantly uncomfortable - to the point of getting his viewers to bully a girl he supposedly agrees with in discord - and that's bad enough.
If he's a feminist or LGBT+ ally, he really ought to show that, not just _say_ it.
Plus, those people probably didn't want to be filmed. He should have censored their faces.
And therefore, NOT an ally to any of those groups! Hes a walking contradiction!
That poor girl I feel so bad for her
If you're not listening to LGBT people you're not being an ally you're being performative to cover your ass
15:48 BOILS MY BLOOD that he’s joking about an ANTI RAPE PROTEST. Apparently women (who live in a country were femocide is a huge problem) SINGING A SONG ABOUT RAPE, is radical and destructive. What the actual fuck I’m so mad.
People who defend awful things that may hurt someone, then argue as if they are trying to influence people into thinking that kind of humor is acceptable .. they are self aware and are likely the type to disagree with the majority on anything related to having humanity. "I live to spread the hate hate hate. If you get mad at me for this you're the idiot lol I stay in your head rent free." Spoiler warning they are never gonna show their soft side either because it goes against the troll mentality.
Even more sad and hilarious is that these dudes are LITERALLY PROVING THEIR POINT.
if snowyjoe really is joking and doesn’t believe what he says you still know he would never publicly support the lgbt community because the people who watch him and make him money DO agree with the jokes he makes
Actually good idea. If thwy are just jokes then he would have no issue saying that while showing support, because if you are making those jokes and holding those beliefs then you are a bigot. So let's go Sloppy Joe why are you so silent?!
I am using the term joke VERY FUCKING LOSELY HERE
Like Antoons
Exactlyyyy. He’s either a bigot or a grifter
bingo
@@ZachPlum antoons ain't even pretending at this point lol.
58:00 ... my jaw dropped when he told her to "relax your t!tties." The disrespect he has for women is so loud. And this is to a total stranger, I can't imagine how gross he is to a woman he knows
he’s so happy to be mentioned it’s kinda cute
i know he was like THATS ME !!!!! 👍😀
HELPPSN my thoughts exactly
It seems like he’s having trouble expressing his feelings 😔
@@wonderbookk he's probably creaming his pants rn because nick made a video about him
I feel like "You would get along with Joe" should be used as an insult lmao
He's 18?! He's aging like milk! I swore he was in his late 30s
Right lmao
Bigotry really ages folks much faster. When I was alt-right (for a few years as a middle schooler) I looked a good 2 years older >:T
Inbreeding results in shortened lifespans, the habsburgs for example only lived to be around 30 years.
This made me legit laugh out loud ~
no fr, time will not be good to him
as a sociology nerd, here's the thing about jokes. they serve a social purpose. they tell people something about you and what you think is ok to make light-hearted comments about. and then the person making the joke can also gage what the other person's views on said topic are based on how they respond to the joke. and so here's the thing. when ppl make transphobic, misogynistic jokes, they're blatantly, for everyone to see,s tating that they think these issues that DO NOT AFFECT THEM, SO IT CAN'T BE HUMOR USED TO COPE WITH THESE AWFUL THINGS, that they think they're not very serious, they can be made light hearted, and they aren't inherently serious topics that should always be handled seriously because peoople are quite literally killed due to transphobia, misogyny, and transmisogyny specifically. he's just telling me that he finds some sort of humor in the fact that people are killed because of these deeply ingrained social things.
the second function is that he can gage whether other ppl feel the same way, that these aren't deeply serious topics that take lives daily, and once he realizes that they've got similar views in that way, he can expand into non-jokes and be non-jokingly misogynistic and transphobic because he knows that others around him feel similarly. i'm assuming he's neurotypical since he doesn't seem to understand the social function of humor the way that i think most autistic ppl like me tend to just..... piece apart nt social interaction to try to figure out what they're really saying bc istfg nt's insist on speaking in code. so i'm sure he'd see this and say i'm overanalyzing it, but there are articles on this and i'm sure he could easily find it.
also it's not funny to say slurs or grown-up. ur just a douche admitting you don't realize that ableism has been used as an excuse for genocide for centuries and/or that you agree that disabled ppl are disposable lol
THANK YOU, you put it more coherent than I could here.
Never stop using your voice 👏 love the way you stated it
just out of curiosity, if a trans person jokes about transphobia (particularly with friends who are allies/also trans), what does that say about them, if anything? is it read more as a "hahahah im releasing my feelings about this"?
@@rendmedead i think self-deprecating jokes are generally viewed differently from other-deprecating jokes. but it's also important to remember that they're not a good coping mechanism. and it does insinuate that we don't take our own suffering seriously. enough. but i mean for most of us there's very little healthy outlets for those sorts of things, so whatever can help us make it thru.
This is so well put! I think it's also important to recognize that "dark" humor is kinda just a bastardization of the term Gallows humor. The point of gallows humor is to make light of a situation you are experiencing, not to tell others that they just don't get humor
>entire defense is “it’s just a joke”
>uses the clip where Nick says their entire defense is gonna be “it’s just a joke”
>only response is to complain about nick goofing on British accents
Edit: I don’t understand how you can write, film, and edit an entire video and still manage to maintain such a lack of self awareness
>mocks american accent
The arguments aren't for youtube in general it's for their fanbase. Their fans are twelve year olds so he argued and made a video like he was twelve. I think.
I can't comprehend how he doesn't see the irony when he's says."its just a joke" while making fun of LGBTQ+ but then gets genuinely offended when someone makes fun of him for being british....
Someone else also pointed this out, but the fact that they care more about being called unfunny over being called transphobic, misogynistic, etc, is VERY telling.
You can't excuse bigotry with jokes. It's never "just a joke" this guy acts like nick "twisted Joe's words" but he was just pointing out transphobia, homophobia, and sexism in Joey snowflakes videos
Did you call him a snowflake lmaooo I don’t think you know what a snowflake is
@Black then what’s your definition of a “snowflake”? 🤔
@@sovtay basically can’t take jokes even if they’re homophobic jokes and
and-?
@@sovtay nah that was it idk why I wrote and lmao
Something that I've learned over the years is that whenever a friend of a bigot says "oh but they're so nice!"
That practically ALWAYS means that the person being referred to is only nice to people they consider worthy of that respect.
Someone can be a bigot to another person but still pat themselves on the back on the same day because, to them, they treated everyone who deserves respect with politeness, and in their minds, certain (usually minority and lgbtq) groups simply Do Not Deserve Respect.
It's dehumanizing and making jokes at the expense of these groups only makes it worse.
As a trans person who hasn't started to transition (poverty moment), I've met some of THE nicest people EVER who've immediately purposely use the wrong name/pronouns for an out-and-proud trans woman that's our neighbor or even going so far as to say shit like "he/she/it" or tr*nny or whatever. But of course, because I don't _look_ trans, I don't get that same treatment. It's all smiles and politeness and wonderful behavior. I even made a point to let one of the neighbors go on their transphobic "i don't like [her], i think that lifestyle is sinful, I don't understand why someone would do that, etc etc" before I went "so actually I am trans so i'll explain exactly why we would 'do that' lol"
Bonus points for the neighbor who's also racist to our black neighbors (hard-R N-Word and all, without hesitation as well) and then got all sad when I stopped associating with her. Like... she _really_ expected me to still be neighborly and stop for a cup of coffee and a chat like i used to... after calling our neighbor's children the N-word? 🤨
Nick: “Hey, maybe don’t go to pride protests just to belittle and harass lgbt people.”
Him: “It’s just a fookin’ joke, bruv. Americans don’t understand comedy. Right bunch a’ snowflakes, mate.”
Nick: “Hehe. It’s chewsday, innit?”
Him: **Angry fish and chip noises**
And he wants to say Americans don’t get jokes.
I laughed too hard at this
@@BoringTroublemaker it was the angry fish and chip noises for me
British “people”
I actually laughed at the fish and chips, not just the aggressive humor snort 😂
Angry fish and chip noises😂😂😂
I dont really see how they can call Nick unfunny when their humour is just being offensive and calling it a "joke" to get a reaction
Everyone had they're own since of humor
@@rainbow6doc212 It doesn’t matter what your intentions are or if you and a certain subset of people have their ‘own sense of humor’ it can still offend or insult some one else and dismissing those concerns as “just jokes” is beyond immature and not a valid excuse.
@@langleymneely that's what's wrong with this generation everything's offensive its a joke if I said I'm gonna kick a 5 Yr old im not actually gonna do it it's a joke people need to take a joke
@@rainbow6doc212 The problem is that when you make offensive jokes like punching down to trans people for example, there are people who legitimately believe and do this. The absurdity factor is no longer present and it becomes questionable if this is legit or not.
H!tler had a sense of humor that was his own, but that doesn't make any antisemetic jokes he made any less disgusting. A pedophile has their own sense of attraction, is it really so bad they're attracted to children?
I'm trying to describe the logic you're portraying, not trying to compare this to pedophilia so to speak. Just explaining that, just because you have your own humor, when it's directly causing harm to other people, then it's not longer just about you. End of story.
At the end of the day, this comes down to the fact he's punching down, not to mention, his "humor" is literally just shitting on people and laughing. That's not humor. That's just being an asshole.
@sir, this is a Benny's I think it's funny
His defense is that "they're only jokes", yet nothing that Joe has _ever_ said is funny.. Jokes are supposed to be funny? So where are the jokes?! 💀 Saying offensive shit with no setup or punchline and calling it 'edgy humor' is so 2012 🙄
Yeah, even if you call them "jokes" it doesn't detract from the fact that it's still bigoted
Exactly! When jokes are done right most people will laugh along but when someone just says dumb crap it just isn't funny and sucks 🙌
@@approximateknowledge5577 Exactly. Real dark humor is taking a taboo topic and making it funny and humorous to discuss in a non-hostile or insulting manner. There's a great example of Louis C.K., and I'm not here to discuss the comic himself, rather just this one joke, where the joke was at the absurdity of the reasoning or concept behind such heinous acts. MatPat covers this wonderfully in a film theory episode about Pewdiepie and the entire controversy around his joke that sorta ruined his career in a lot of ways.
The joke isn't at the expense of the rape victims but the rapists themselves, so victims and those who may be sensitive about such subjects are more inclined to be able to laugh along. It's a great example of a good dark humor joke over a very sensitive subject.
ignore the first part of your comment cos jokes can be unfunny. second part makes sense tho
Depends on your sense of humour. If you’re a snowflake you’re not gonna find it funny are ya?
I love that all these men do is deflect. These men are the reason women are scared to live their lives. All these men do is make blatant racist, sexist, homophobic comments and claim “it’s just a joke” when jokes are funny and these are not.
These people are just so desperate and peaked in 3rd grade when they were the only kid brave enough to say a curse word
this is so accurate ohymgod
Took the words right outta my mouth.
ok but joe's jokes were literally just 'trans people exist' thats the difference
@@melani6605 girl shut up LOL 😭
@not relevant it’s a bot lmaooo
@not relevant wait it got deleted, what was the comment lmao
@not relevant aw thats boring, i was thinking it was going to be one of those mao ascii memes
@not relevant Btw the agnez person did it to a lot of comments
Just so you know, the video Joe was reacting to and the whole "radical feminists", it's a Mexican protest against feminicides in our country and the sudden raise of feminism in general. In Mexico 11 women die from reasons related to gender every day, very few sa, r*pe, etc, cases get reported and from those only 3% get justice (women don't report because the system makes it very hard to do so), wich means 97% percent of the aggressors are still on the streets.
While Nick is right, most protest are peaceful, like the song and choreography for "the rapist is you", it is also true that we had a lot of violent protest.
*BUT* , it didn't happen out of nowhere, after many many many peaceful protest our government would ignore us, and the general public would dismiss us, this made feminism grow, and eventually if they didn't hear us peaceful, we would make ourselves loud enough. The so called "radical feminist" he dismisses, where VITAL, because they were the only ones brave enough to risk their life and risk getting in jail for the cause. And it worked, we're still not there yet but we have accomplished a lot. We have a couple of new laws that came to be because of the protests and abortion is on the way to being legal in the whole country.
So yeah, of course I wouldn't expect someone like Joe and his friend to understand that, because he probably doesn't even have the mental capacity to even process a joke, but I wanted to let you know a little bit of it.
yeah, the blindfold thing immediately would suggest to most people that this is either some kind of memorial protest, or some type of high-concept symbolism (maybe an attempt at protesting more theatrically), and Joe just refuses to engage with any of it at all. It's infuriating. There's no intellectual curiosity.
@@sholem_bond I didnt even know the context until I read some comments on that video, but it was still so obvious that the blindfolds where symbolic and meant something.
What these kinds of people, often white cis men, do not realise, is that none of us in minority groups want to get it to that point. None of us want to vandalise property.
But people in places of privilege ignore us, our peaceful attempts. Brush them off. And then they have the audacity to say that when people have had enough, when the disenfranchised have had enough, we are the unreasonable ones.
I hope the laws stick and that abortion is legalised. Good luck to women and afab people in Mexico
Snowy Joe: Radical feminists are vandalizing things! Waahhhh!
Me: Good for her
Thank you so much for this! So many women and young girls have been murdered for simply existing in Mexico, but that’s not what these guys are ready to understand in the video 🙄 I have family in Juarez and I’m scared for them because of the gendered violence against women, and the blatant sexism and misogyny. Hopefully things do change and it looks like we’re slowly getting there!
“Americans don’t get humor” *proceeds to not understand deadpan humor*
I am so glad someone finally spoke up about nick manipulating us. One time nick came to my house choked me to death brought me back to life just to choke me again. Never trust anyone on the internet you never know who may be lying.
I believe you. Thank you for speaking your truth. I'm so glad heroes like Manter are opening this discourse
yes
Right he literally came to my house and then beat my to death I’m actually typing this from the underworld
he broke in from my window and stole my cat, just to run away with him and the next day he was streaming like nothing happened. i just want my cat back nick please i miss him
yeah he literally imprisoned me and then knocked me out with a potato in hand
“All he does is make fon of me bri’ish accent innit”🤓
I’m amerricen
@@bitches123 American*
@@TheGoatToat nope it’s Amerricen
As said by Americans
I’m HAHAHAHA
I always find people that hear “I want to be treated equal to men” and immediately go “THEN I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIT YOU”
Like ????
Gross
Why is your first thought violence ??
Prolly cuz men are more aggressive and also the whole thing of 'don't hit women'. So their thought would be "oh well I'm allowed to hit other men and women want to be like man so I should be able to hit her like a man if they want to be equal". Like ig one could see the point but the aggressive approach to equality with women and feminine people gives like.....1900's abusive husband to housewife type of vibes. Idk if that made sense
its so dumb bc like. ur not allowed to hit men either?? thats assault u go to prison for it
@@Mars-dw2zc yea but its generally worse if you hit a woman. If 2 dudes are fighting punching each other then its just like "oh they're just fighting" vs if u see a man and woman fighting punching each other then people react and maybe other dudes come in and defend the girl and beat up the dude and gets worse charges. Thats usually what I've seen happen so even if it is assault, if its towards a woman its seen as worse even if it's equally as bad if done to other ppl.
Thats where the whole "women wanna be equal so equal rights,equal lefts" (meaning men should be able to fight women like men,which in specific female led abuse should be accepted just how a woman fights back against male led abuse. Just my thoughts)
@@YeetTheMeat
I’m well aware of why but maybe let’s just not hit people ???
Also: men on women violence is already stupid high so apparently they don’t need equality to hit us anyway.
It’s just gross and shows their mindset and priorities- that’s all I’m saying
@UC-HmjFI3-MVaveTx9Dhy7fQ when I say I want equality, I mean it for everyone. I wish we didn’t force guys to pretend their robots. It’s not healthy. I believe everyone needs therapy. But these kinds of people hate that sentiment too.
I will NEVER get over the timing of you talking about your British friend Jordan at the EXACT same time as Jordan commenting “you don’t have any British friends”
nah i joined their discord and they are 100% terrible, whether they are "joking" or not. their moderators suck and they were so flustered and wondering why the server was so active (meaning its mostly not) and they were even muting people who were being completely calm because they got tired of standing up for themselves or whatever they were calling it. impact over intention and snowy joe has built a community that sucks. i think the funniest was when a guy was in shock there was a raid and said "well joes channel has been dead anyway i dont interact with him"
"americans dont understand humoUr" as if all british people act the way they do. i never want to hear about them again fr.
One dude was @ing every person he could to tell them to kill themselves until a mod muted the entire chat. When it got reopened they immediately started bullying their own mod. Jfc
@@carolinegoss6669 i had no idea it even got that bad i couldn’t look in there for more than 30 secs at a time 😒 i hope people are reporting the server & i hope it gets shut down,, it’s not even one of those “fun” servers to go and troll or whatever. they just suck
How do I say this without it sounding … you know … these little British white need to sit down if you came to the U.S better yet NY saying shit like that to females or people in general your getting FUCKED UP. no one obviously hasn’t turned around and knocked him out yet . I volunteer 🙂.
@@khaleesikonokia8556 as a NYer, I can say they wouldn’t last a damn day out here lmao
I find it absolutely hilarious when people use the "but that's their online presence, you can't judge them as a person based on that!" as if sloppy joe has no control over the content he posts and no say in the jokes he writes (if you could call them jokes)
Snowy Joe, say another homophobic joke if you're being held hostage at gun point!
And it's not like Nick's going "ik joe irl, he sucks" (which im sure he does anyway but still) and using his videos as proof. Of course we dont know him irl, but we know the persona he chooses to put on the internet and we're criticizing that
@@gremlinwc8996 exactly
The whole “he’s just a guy going to pride and making jokes” argument is the same as justifying “oh he’s just a white guy in blackface at a blm protest”
Don't give them ideas
though there isn't a longstanding history of people dressing as gay people to mock and strawman us (it does happen and it's harmful, it just doesn't have the long terrible history that blackface has)
@@skeleletonboi4533 definitely, but also it’s the same sort of situation at least, just pretending to be gay instead of black. Either way, it’s horrible, but I get what you mean and would probably be more offended if it were blackface as well
@@sethg1116 no no, DO. Maybe that'd finally get the shit kicked out of him.
love how he plays this off as British humour when all the actual brits in the videos are uncomfortable and don't understand Snowy Joe's "humour" either
Can we just talk about the fact that through this entire video, Manter didn’t show the part where Snowy Joe and his entire band of idiots went into a feminist server, got one single girl on a voice call, and just... berated her, telling her that no one cared about her, they hated her, etc, following which Snowy Joe says he hopes she was stressed out, which was the entire reason people went to Snowy Joe’s server at all. Meanwhile he’s whining about the people coming to HIS server, as if they hadn’t literally done that themselves, and people could easily see it if they watched Nick’s video. “They all came in telling us to kill ourselves!!” like you guys did to Katie? Which Snowy Joe then posted publicly? Show us the proof that Nick’s fans even said any of that.
He was SO quick to defend everything Snowy Joe did as “just a joke”, but he KNEW he couldn’t defend what they did to Katie, so he just pretended like it didn’t exist at all, hoping the people watching his video would be too stupid to actually do their research and watch Nick’s full video.
because that video was faked, the girl was a moderator in their discord server. LOL. gullible AF!
FR the only thing I saw were trans/lgbtq+ flags, big fak pps, and shadow the hedgedog memes
@@sanabanaqt Ource💀💀💀💀
@@sanabanaqt i think you meant source, illiterate but anyways, their discord is deleted and manter left ages ago but their discord is deleted because they do in rl videos now… the same girl was a moderator in the SERVER so… don’t make yourself look like a total fool by misspelling source 💀💀💀
@@morelorel I don't think misspelling "source" makes you a fool,.. prolly was just a typo and your getting pressed for no reason, making a claim and not being able to provide a source makes you look pretty dumb as well. also even if it was staged, joe never mentioned it being staged and this kind of thing really influences random 14 - 16 year old kids to do the same kinda act and attack random people on the internet for shit that no sane person would even think twice about. also the fact you needed to put your brain power into figuring out the commenter meant source 🤓🤓🤓🤓.
People like him don't seem to understand what separates joking from bullying. Most good comedy has the people without power punching up. When you're a straight person mocking the LGBT community, you're punching down. Its not humor, its humiliation.
I'm gay, Jewish, and neurodivergent, so I can make jokes involving the f slur, Jewish stereotypes, and stuff like that cuz its about me. I cant make jokes about other minorities because that just isnt my place to do such a thing. Like another comment here said "it isnt gallows humor if you arent on the gallows. Then you're just heckling someone whos about to die"
@@gremlinwc8996 yeah exactly!!
I recently wrote a paper focusing on satire in a literary studies course. Even if I try to apply the things that I've learned in that course I cannot find anything funny about Snowy Joe's content. The way his friend tries to defend him by simply repeating "How stupid do you have to be to not understand the joke" just proves that there is no joke. If your joke is clever you should be able to explain what the joke is. How does the joke work? What power structure are you criticizing? Punching down is not a joke, laughing about the fact that trans people and feminists exist is not a joke. That's just making fun of people for existing and thereby contributing to their discrimination. That's not comedy or a joke or humor. That's called being a cruel asshole.
@@TheSleepyGrove well said!
So if I'm straight and black and i make fun of LGBT ppl i would be punching down?????
Snowy joe really said feminism is ok when it’s up to my standards as a man
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This guy must have an olympic gold medal in mental gymnastics if he thinks not wanting to use slurs is a "cute act" and "cringy"
"I didn't do any research on you" Isn't the flex this guy thinks it is
"I'm talking out of my ass, but trust me im right"
literally 😩😩😩
I cant wait to watch the part where he defends the fact that he encouraged a raid towards an innocent girl online! :D
Why do you hate dilfs?
@@awkwardnerd. i mean
@@awkwardnerd. it’s an overused term lmao
"that was just a joke dude why are you so upset about it"
Bro the part where nick said in the server people watched CP… these people are awful
What’s cringey is grown men tossing around slurs like they’re in middle school
Or year 7 for brits
@@2yearoldeastercandy935 FINALLY I KNOW WHAT MIDDLE SCHOOL IS, THANK YOU /srs
They know their audience 😂
1. yes
2. I love your username
Dude even my high school classmates are correcting their grammar by whenever they say something they know is bad they apologize, something these grown ass men refuse to do
I’m autistic and have several other disabilities and I have to say I really appreciate your guys take on the R-Word and I’m glad you called him out I feel like the word is thrown around to much and it’s extremely hurtful so thank you so much
"He's not homophobic, he just makes EDGY JOKES" that's where I checked out.
I've had enough of comedians being bigots then claiming its actually not bigotry, its "EDGE". At least be a hateful with your full chest.
Totally, also edgy, implies that they are riding the edge between what is taboo, and what isn't. When you have already jump ship into being a full-blown bigot, what you say is no longer edgy. Cause you have fallen into the abyss, not standing on the edge
"A sexist joke is still sexist."
the whole joke is just bigotry as well, there is no joke except for shock humour like WOW?? YOU SAID THAT TO A MINORITY?? theres no set up or punchline hes just punching down. the laziest and lamest form of comedy
Like there's totally a different between being sexist and joking ABOUT sexism. I think it's funny to impersonate a sexist and do it in a mocking way, but there's a line and you absolutely NEED to make sure that people know you don't actually believe those things you're mocking
They’re making jokes out of others suffering that they have never experienced themselves. It’s literally just coming from apathy, or being a sociopath.
as a brit who knows many guys like this, i hate to see that they get to have reasonably big platforms to spread this 'humour'. it's so much worse hearing it in a widespread youtube video than an offhand comment in a classroom :/
Same :(
For sure, same here
Yeh British humour has much more to offer than blatant bigotry disguised as banter
While the history isn’t the same, there is a history of discriminating against intellectually disabled people and denying them of basic rights, including locking them away in inhumane institutions or even justifying their murder. Police in many places regularly target people with intellectual disabilities, frame them for crimes, or justify abuse and murder against them. This sort of thing is also more frequent with black people with intellectual impairments due to how the identities intersect. One of the most famous works of literature with an intellectually disabled man is Of Mice and Men, where the story in the end frames the murder of an intellectually disabled man as merciful. Many with intellectual disabilities, or even just perceived intellectual disabilities, are more likely to be bullied, socially isolated, given inadequate education, experience poverty, etc. The r slur doesn’t need a history comparable to the n word for it to have a history worth acknowledging. A lot of people with intellectual impairments or other neurological disorders do have trauma related to the word. I think it’s still used as official terminology in some places, but I don’t think it’s used in most places today (especially since it’s not accurate; many people are intellectually impaired due to acquired injuries later in life for example).
I was in the server the other day and these people don’t actually object to using the n word at all so this doesn’t matter in regard to them. They seem devoid of basic empathy tbh, but I thought it worth mentioning for the people in this community who might be less familiar with ableism that, even if it’s not the same as the n word, the r slur does have a significant history and you shouldn’t use that term to refer to another person. People with intellectual impairments can reclaim the slur for themselves if they wish like how many other communities reclaim slurs used against them, but most don’t.
Of course they use the n word.
Very well said. I’ll never understand why people feel entitled to use slurs, then complain when someone stands up to them. Oh boy, how they will cry about how unfair it is to them that they have to hear about the crap that comes out of their mouth…THEY are the snowflakes that they constantly make fun of!!
I’m pretty empathetic and don’t have the urge to insult people, but if something I said offended somebody, I wouldn’t defend saying it. The point is how it’s received. I’d rather not hurt people, so i would respect how they feel.
I don’t understand why that is so hard for people. I think maybe it threatens their feeling of superiority or something.
Anyway, thanks for explaining the history behind the r slur, its pretty ugly and a lot of people probably don’t think about it.
Exactly. It still happens today. I've been denied jobs at fucking mcdonalds and supermarkets as a teenager due to being institutionalised at the time and them having "bad experiences" with other kids from there who had nothing to do with me. They didn't even let me try. Straight up ableism.
^ the institution itself was also incredibly inhumane and made me develop PTSD. shit sucks. ableism is real, it's not that hard to just not say a word.
This was incredibly well said. You're very well spoken.
I hate how people are always like “why are people so triggered by the “r word”” probably cause it’s an actual slur, always has been and always will be
I don't normally criticize people, but that guy really proves why they called themselves dropouts.
I feel bad for Drew Gooden honestly, I think he's a college dropout and he's both funnier and smarter than these guys
Lmao
@@sholem_bond how old are you when you go to college in the states?
@@Imxel21 About 18 or older unless someone graduates early.
They probably dropped out of the 1st grade.
2:34 "I could ratio him in his own comment section"
That's godly power
jordan: he's painting him in a homophobic and transphobic light! all our fans understand that!
also everyone in snowy joe's discord raids: (commenting homophobic and transphobic slurs, not as a joke and to cause mayhem)
it's not "painting in a light" if it's actually true lol, he and his fans are actually transphobic and homophobic.
it’s honestly sad to see, I wish they can actually have a brain cell
Makes it sadder that the are MORE offended by being called unfunny than they are about being transphobic or misogynistic! “Thems juss JOHKES Bruv, BUT HOW DARE YOU SAY WEES AIN FUHNY!!?!”
"bUt It Is A jOkE bEcAuSe ThE fEmInIsTs GeT tRiGgErEd"
The awful videos are sadly still up, I'm new to nick's channel and I just watched their video. No, they are not joking, they are just being assholes
The thing is, when he made fun of your accent, he wasn't joking. He was being serious and throwing a tantrum about it.
for guys who think we’re too sensitive to get edgy humor, they sure get heated when someone pokes fun at their accent
i’m not saying they are, but say these WERE jokes. they’d be very cheap, unoriginal, and lazy ones. every white male high school graduate who was called a class clown at an open mic night has this exact set. edgy or dark is code word for i can’t make an original joke that doesn’t rely on bigotry because i’m actually not funny, and this clown just proves it considering the only attempts at comedy i saw was him poorly making fun of the american accent.
people say stuff like "it's a joke" and it's like... ok, but it wasn't funny. Learn to joke better
I mean, it can be funny if the joke is about something you deal with, because you then understand it and are attacking yourself, not some unrelated group, but Joe and his friends clearly don't fit that bill. For example, I'm gay, Jewish, and neurodivergent, so I can make offensive jokes around that because I know what I'm talking about and im the punchline, not some innocent person or people. Joe, who is very obviously straight and neurotypical, however, cannot make those jokes because he'd just be insulting people he does not understand. Someone had a quote in another thread that I really liked, it went: "it isnt gallows humor if you arent on the gallows. Then you're just heckling someone whos about to die"
I really have nothing to add to this lmao these kinds of people will see you quietly nose exhale at one of their shitty jokes and they'll make it their only personality trait.
fr these jokes were thoroughly overdone by 2017, even bigots should be rolling their eyes at them by now
@@SM-yz4hi the joke manter made about nick not having a father was so unfunny it made my dad come back to life 💀
"Nobody knows who this Nick guy is. Everyone knows The Dropouts."
I've been watching Nick for at least 6 months and 6 seconds ago I didn't even know the dropouts existed
I feel like the only people who have heard of them are the types of people actively looking for "comedy" that makes fun of LGBTQ+ people in a futile attempt to feel superior.
Same
ive known droupouts for a year and i have no idea who this guy is
@@imabored3148 imagine watching the dropouts unironically
@@liviwaslost there not as bad as he is saying
How you keep your composure is beyond me. Much respect for calmly responding and explaining everything
I think what bothers me about the whole “took it out of context” is that a lot of times no context would make it better. Using slurs you can’t reclaim is not okay (referencing him using the r slur which most disabled people don’t even reclaim). There is no context for that. Being homophobic and transphobic is not okay. No context needed. He was borderline harassing minors while being too much of a coward to make fun of them right then and 5ere. Probably because he knew he’d at the very least be removed from the area.
@Joe Mama bad troll, get better bait
he seemed very offended that you called his boyfriend unfunny
sorry, is that suppose to be an insult? they are mates and stick up for each other and thats what friends do im on no ones side here but there just joking and they dont mean it and would not say this in real life i hope
@@imabored3148 they most likely do though, if they can say it online. And idk if u watched the video or not but the "jokes" they make literally arent that. They're saying really messed up stuff and when someone disagrees they say it's a joke so they dont get shit for it.
@@imabored3148 “he would not say this online i hope” video of joe harassing people at pride smack dab in the beginning
@@tomoko7584 tbh i don't really care you like that person and i like watching snowy joe it doesn't define us and im not homophonic or racist
@@imabored3148 if you're not homophobic or racist why are you defending joe then???? You're pretty much excusing what he's done.
There's a difference when someone's copying a British accent and a more discriminated one like say, a Chinese accent.
YES!!! not to mention hardcore stereotypes
Also I would like to add it depends what type of british accent you're mocking as many cross over into classist territory
"nooo don't make fun of my colonizer accent, it's only funny when I do it to minorities 😞"
Not really
@@Lola_Nico yes really
As a British person, I think Nick’s British accent is great. Also that guys voice annoys me. Some mean people just have a certain tone of voice that makes them sound angry all the time. (Probably because they’re butthurt about their jokes not being funny.)
He says you can’t pronounce dropouts correctly then says “drop houts” 1500 times over
this changed my life
😂😂😂😂😂 “drop houts” omg
People like him need to understand that not everything is pronounced their way. Imagine an American tells a non-American or a non-English speaker that they’re pronouncing a word wrong…🙃 they’re ignorant lmao not every American or English speaker pronounces things the same way. As long as you understand the word and it’s used correctly based on context then..what’s the issue..? Like why did that anger him so much? 😭
I can't take British people seriously when they try to insult you. Him saying "twat" and "piss" is so funny 😭✋
@@eri7817 tbf it's probably only an actual insult if someone uses the c word lmao
Him openly admitting he did no research only to then call Nick's video "lazy" is truly the type of confidence I wish I could achieve lmao
Sloppy Joe calls feminism an “epidemic”, implying it is bad (and proceeds to show videos of women who aren’t even being extremists), yet when Nick points that out, this guy tries to tell us that he never said that??? Does he know what an epidemic is?
I also find that people who claim to have “edgy” senses of humour really just have no intelligent jokes to make, they’re simply all just laughing at someone else’s expense, particularly people who have been discriminated against for years. It really is insensitive for people who have never experienced that discrimination and inequality to make jokes about it, and it just makes them look stupid.
"Sloppy Joe" lol
Feminism is literally just "men and women being equal". So when he calls it an epidemic, he's just saying that more and more people.... agree that women should be equal to men? And he thinks that's bad? Yikes
It really is sad, they’re so bored that making fun of other’s struggles in an untouched position is entertainment to them …
Man this dude is really pissed about losing those 13 colonies
This comment was amazing 🤣😂you genuinely made me laugh lol
"How do you expect us to react when thousands of people came into the server and told us to kill ourselves"
Literally the only stuff he shows from the server: I'M GONNA PISS ON THE MOON
Lol and the stan loona and nct
BSKLDF
dudes like this will commit a hate crime and then be like "it was just a joke, bruv!"
Innit tho blud
They way I read this in his voice 💀
"Radical feminist vandalizing property" "why are they wearing blind folds this isn't bird box" the amount of ignorance in these statements... if they actually took the time to educate themselves maybe they would realize, that in countries like turkey where these prostests are happening women are getting beaten and murdered daily and nothing is done about it.
i’m fuckin pissing myself at “you’re a grown man say a slur !”
manter's video is just him complaining about Nick not understanding jokes while he is not understanding Nick's jokes for 16 minutes straight. fkn exhausting
It really is! The stream was hard to watch
why can't these people just say 'yes, I am sexist and homophobic' and go 😭
What's funny (not really) is that they could probably say that and get away with it, while people STILL defend them and act like they aren't homophobic or sexist.
That bit where he does the weird "joke" about you not having a dad or whatever, and then arguing back and forth with a strawman voice while showing a picture of you that he clearly got from pausing during an unflattering frame, was honestly so fucking embarrassing, I don't know how an actual grown adult still does that lmao.
I had to laugh bc it reminded me of those memes about arguing with yourself in the shower. so pathetic lol
Its peak 10 year-old humor
@@SM-yz4hi I had to pause the video and was like, "this man.....is arguing with himself....." You took the words right out my mouth, because this is truly pathetic. And when arguing with HIMSELF he says it's not that deep, when he IS ARGUING WITH HIMSELF 😂😂😂. I can't get over how hilarious and sad that is.
I absolutely hated the part when he assumed nick didn't have a loving dad just to paint him as weak or whatever. I grew up without a loving father and it had a huge impact on me. You cannot joke abt stuff that genuinely affects people.
my dad left and i actually don't care i found the joke funny
I was raised with a single mother and although I wasn’t effected by it I still find jokes about it stupud
Its so dumb when people assume you grew up without a father and use it as a jab at your personality or sexuality. Like I grew up with a loving father, and I'm still bisexual. Its so weird to say "not having a dad made you gay". Like what? Did having a dad make you straight? Obviously growing up with or without parents will affect you, especially if it was a positive or negative experience, but it's honestly not the business of anyone else and nobody should assume anything JUST based on personality. I get told I'm "fatherless" and it's so infuriating (especially because I actually lost my dad to Covid several months ago). People should be treated as individuals and the amount of respect they receive should not be based on who their parents were, or whether or not you grew up with parents. Its just so weird to me for someone to be like "SOMEONE has some daddy issues" or "imagine being fatherless" as a way to insult your personality or lifestyle. Its just mean
@@pissapocalypse exactly and I'm very sorry to hear about your dad, hope you're doing alright
@@marsman4554 I appreciate that. Its been hard but I'm doing okay. Hope you're doing okay too.
I got to 10mins until I realised this video is over an hour long. This is going to be good.
I got 20 mins in before I read your comment and realized it was over an hour long
i got ten seconds in, and i read your comment. getting comfy for this one.
@@Getfixedrepairguru same
56 minutes in I thought, "hey this video's kinda long huh" 🤦smh
I got 55 minutos into the video, read your comment and then realized it was over an hour long
"This is a normal interaction!"
😧I am terrified of what your everyday interactions with women are sir...
49:00... if you're making fun of someone by calling them a term used to put down people with mental disabilities, you're comparing them to people with mental disabilities to make fun of them, which means that you're making fun of people with mental disabilities if you're using it as an insult. that argument is so backwards. If you want to call your friend an idiot, call them an idiot. I call my friends stupid all the time without saying slurs, there are a lot of synonyms for the word idiot that aren't slurs
Amen
No one actually cares
@Ciara Ellen everyone who has even the slightest amount of empathy cares, actually.
@@DespOIcito empathy for who?? Its not affecting anyone else
@@maisieeeeeee lol it is affecting others, including me, I've gotten called a retard for years because I have ADD, and ADD is not even that bad compared to others. So when people use that word just for laughs is very fucky, at least to me. I even worked with kids with disabilities, bullies called them retards and had them cry in a corner. Just because it's not affecting you doesn't mean it's not affecting others.
Isn’t it weird how every single transphobic, homophobic and misogynist person says “it’s just a joke” and that “sorry you can’t understand humour” like dude it’s not funny when the butt of the joke is people. It’s not cool to make fun of minorities and people with less rights
Yeah if they're such a comedian they could just, idk, joke about literally anything else
I stand firm on my belief that offensive humor is supposed to be funniest to those its targeting, otherwise its just bullying. If a trans person wont laugh at your transphobic joke, its not a joke and you are a horrible person
Lmaoo the dislikes are probably snowy joes friends and him himself, that's sad tbh. They're uneducated, transphobic, and their whole group of supporters is 12 year old boys. Pathetic honestly, I love how Nick is just calm through out this whole thing- anyways I'd like to see nick call with the group like he did with nick foster but they'll just yell over him like toxic middle school boys. Either way they sound dumb tbh.
bro look at ur name ur not over the age of 14
@@debarkus1 I'm 17 kid- lmaoo thanks for proving my point "bro" :). Like I said, pathetic.
@@teddys._.circus9758 damn i sincerely apologise teddy._.circus
i legit clicked the profile of one and it was actually a kid. cant tell the age since im bad with white ppl age but id say he looks around 8 - 14
@@Chris-fh3db LMAOOO
Jordans american accent impression sounds more like someone making fun of canadians lol
we caught a stray 😩
My parents are from UK, and my dad said lots of Brits can't tell the difference between an American and a Canadian.
So it's ironic when they make fun of Americans for having "bad geography".
I'm Canadian, but if someone from UK assumes I'm American , I pretend to think they are Australian lol
Heard it here first folks, not saying slurs is cringey according to mr bigshot
I literally cannot get over that he said that because it’s such a Zoomer thing… like society progressing past saying a particular derogatory word happens all the time, but those refusing to do so are creepily attached to saying a word with no value besides being an insult 😬
This comment is funny and I agree but I also can't see the words big shot without thinking of spamton now lmao
[[big shot]]?
If someone says a transphobic or homophobic joke… it’s till transphobic and homophobic 💀 like as Kurtis said, If you come late to work everyday as a joke, you’re still late to work and you’re still getting fired 🙏💀 like bruh it’s basic knowledge.