Regarding the erasure of old episodes of TV shows: it wasn't just that it was expensive to keep the tapes around, it also had to with the fact that cultural ideas about performance were really different back then. Even in the 60s, film and television were still quite new and virtually everybody working in the industry would have had their roots in live theatre, where archiving one particular performance of a script just wasn't all that important. The idea is pretty alien to us today, but there was even some resistance to recording early TV shows at all because people were thinking that the network, cast, and crew might want to perform it again differently, as if it were a play, and they didn't want to have to compete with another version floating around
I think about this often. All live theater (even when filmed) becomes a type of “lost media” after its run because it’s presented and intended as a live experience. Should we consider every night of a theatrical run a type of “loss” once it bows? It’s just a philosophical thought for me.
The truth is there is more lost media then there is archived for the future .Those old film tapes before digital tech and electric storage devise's came into play in are world, the old magnetic tapes used for filming was expensive and often reused and taped over for other projects ,Even NASA reused and taped over hours off the original moon landing tapes we will never see or hear the waffles they tossed on that trip .
You know what's a deep mine of lost media? Radio. It's almost always live and the pre-casette days (aside from some pre-produced shows) are just freakin' gone. Today I suppose a lt is recorded, but you rarely hear of repeats or re-releases. Once when going on holiday we caught this hilarious local station outside London. They were talking about a crazy charity event in the USA (something something people slapped with dead fish to raise money for a talking fire engine), and commented "they wouldn't even use that as a plot in South Park!", then the rest of the show went in and out of being a South Park parody, including the credits all being delivered in Cartman's voice.
You could fly out into space slightly faster than light and eventually you’ll catch up to the radio signals… and possibly go back in time as well, allowing you to listen live!
After you have a decent library of videos built up, I'd love to see an update on some of the topics you've covered if there's been any new info. Well done so far, very informative.
Ironically, the thumbnail for this video reminds me of a lost media of my own: PLAYING CHICKEN WITH THE TRAIN. Apparently it was a filmstrip on train safety, and ends with a group of teens being decapitated (!) when playing too close to a passing train. Why Spider-Man? Because that's the one detail I can remember from the film too...a kid was reading a Spidey comic book.
Old VHS tapes may be the last hope of finding lost media. I can’t count how many tapes I’ve seen at flea markets that people had recorded television shows on.📼
I am from Venezuela, here romantic soap operas used to be an institution and a tradition, when my grandmother suffered a stroke she was unconscious for 3 days between life and death, when she regained consciousness the first thing she told me was to record the soap operas 9 and 10 at night, this is what I did after buying several blank tapes, by the time she returned home she had dozens of episodes behind and I continued doing it like this for several years because she could no longer stay awake after 8 at night night, she watched the episodes in the morning, I think I still have a dozen tapes with episodes of those soap operas, but the VHS in my house was damaged many years ago.
I'd really like to see more stuff like this from the lost media community. I'm quite tired of lost media for popular well-documented shows that are less than 20 years old getting all the focus.
Of all of those, I think only Spider-Man Vs Kraven The Hunter has a good chance of still existing. We know the only digital copy was lost with Cardozo's computer but there was at least one film copy that was made plus the original film itself. Also there was a clip film that was given to Marvel. It's possible that other members of the production crew had production footage that may be still with them or their families. Of course all of that could have been destroyed or is no longer viewable.
As a Thomas fan, I'd love to be able to see that broadcast. At the very least to see more photos of the trains. As a odd side note, I have often wondered if as they were using Julia Lang, if she was to begin the story in her customary manner from Listen With Mother.
From the Czech word robota meaning labour. I think the only other Czech words in common use in the English language are pistol, polka, and since its creation, Semtex
The Spider-Man vs Kraven The Hunter short film is something I would like to see, The Sad Story Of Henry is likely lost forever, but thank god we’ve got evidence that it did exist.
Duuuuuude it is f'in wild and awesome that you covered the Riordans. (Pronounced Reardans) My dad always talks about watching it when he was younger. I didnt really know much about it apart from Gabriel Byrne being in it.ill be very happy to show him this video. Great analysis and research. RTE are horrendous for mismanagement. Have you seen Bachelor's Walk by John Carney who made Once and Sing Street? It was unavailable for years after it first screened. I heard both disagreements between Carney and RTE and issues with music rights being the cause for it being locked away. I actually bought copies of it off someone on facebook who happened to tape every episode. I think it's the best Irish produced show. It was thankfully added to RTE player a few years ago but the quality isnt great
I remember reading that article about the Spider man movie in an issue of Marvels Fan Magazine, Marvelmania, that I got when I joined the Marvel fan club. I also got a fan club card, a poster and some stickers.
there is one episode of Starstuff on youtube, it was a saturday morning live action tv show with kids communicating via televisions from the early 1980s it had puppet scenes and laurel and hardy shorts and maybe the little rascals too, and the boy was on earth and the girl was in a space ship? far far away and the boy somehow made a communicator by putting a tv connected to a ham radio and came up with a telescreen commuicator ages before zoom calls.
the star of the show, the boy grew up and got copies of the episodes, and i tried to contact him to get the episodes but he said he lent them to his friend and then never got them back, and so only one episode made it to youtube and the tv station taped over the tapes that were at the station. so those tapes the star had were the only copies.
the "cus the bitches can" album by land of hell newest name onyx colony seems pretty lost (onyx colony band broke up in 2013 and the singer is now dagames)
I believe that foom issue 3 carried the story of this spidy fan film. It sure looked good at the time. As well, in a later issue, marvel posted the news of a marvel Christmas show, with songs in it, circa 74-75, that was to air on tv. Never another word on it after that.
0:14 that mispronounciation killed me inside (it's pronounced radio tele-feesh air inn) jokes aside, it's nice seeing irish lost media being talked about
The Spider-Signal looks like the one used on the 67 Animated. At the time this was made, while the reruns were frequent, another possible source for the image were these kiddy mini-projectors that would show cartoons and the like - these were dedicated toys, not Super 8 or anything like that. Of course, as pointed out, we'll never know.
The real lost media you'll never see is Local things that only aired in one area and the stuff too boring to have a following. I question if fan made and film school projects count but they would be among the things you'll never see.
really appreciating the work here, but next time you come across any Irish surnames or Irish language names you might want to just check the pronunciation before diving in. Riordans isn't Ree-ord-dans. It's pronounced Rear-dons. The people talking about it in the clip you include are pronouncing it correctly. And the state broadcaster is pronounced Rad-ey-Oh Telly-Fish Erin. Remember, vowels in languages that aren't English tend not to make the same sounds. Had no idea about that Spider-man project, it sounds fascinating.
too bad about that Kraven film it probably now will be the most faithful adaptation with what they are doing to the character now at Sony, making him not the character from the comic books
Impressive research and editing- I worked in documentary for some years and it’s an art form that you only learn with hard work. A constructive bit of advice is to double check pronunciation of words and names. You made some fundamental errors. The producer/director/writer Barry Letts was caught out on an episode of Doctor Who when he told Jon Pertwee to pronounce Chitin with a ‘ch’ - he was corrected by a viewer - also a university lecturer - that it should be a hard K like Kite followed by ‘in’. Too late to be corrected! Anyway, keep up the good work!
Try and investigate how words are pronounced diaspora (dee asp ora) fanzine (fan zeen) Gloucestershire (gloss ter sheer) gauge (gage) re-creations should be pronounced as it looks as recreation is something completely different. Generally however the videos are great.
13:04 That was the worst pronunciation of Gloucestershire I've ever heard not come from an American lmao (FYI it's Gloss-ter-sher not Gl-ow-chestershire)
Add to the list lost epizode of miś spod okienka kids show in poland epizode is lost becose it was live and actor that was in the show say a cursed word why it is never be found? It was in 80s and poland is poor country so only know recording was in tvp a polish stacion but 99% it was destroid. How it can be found there 2 other way 1st rich family from poland will record it second family from other country unlikely will record it sorry if i spell something wrong
I really like your lost media stuff but I can't say i care much for the other content on your channel, and judging by the view counts of videos that have lost media vs ones that don't, have you thought about creating a separate channel for miscellaneous stuff and keeping this one purely as a lost media channel? I say this because I tend to prefer having my subscription feed purely made up of things I want to watch, and I've actually unfollowed people before for having a lot of miscellaneous videos uploaded to their channel and only once in a blue moon uploading one that's more relevant to my tastes. I also feel like if you rebranded to being strictly a lost media channel it'd give people just finding you a better idea of what to expect and why they should subscribe to you. You make a lot of unique lost media videos and I'd say it's up there with lsupersonicq in terms of the uniqueness of it, so I could easily see this channel becoming bigger, especially if it's more focused to a certain niche.
16:25 I’m tryna be a titular engine bricked up in a tunnel if you feel me
Comment of the vid
literally me
Regarding the erasure of old episodes of TV shows: it wasn't just that it was expensive to keep the tapes around, it also had to with the fact that cultural ideas about performance were really different back then. Even in the 60s, film and television were still quite new and virtually everybody working in the industry would have had their roots in live theatre, where archiving one particular performance of a script just wasn't all that important. The idea is pretty alien to us today, but there was even some resistance to recording early TV shows at all because people were thinking that the network, cast, and crew might want to perform it again differently, as if it were a play, and they didn't want to have to compete with another version floating around
I think about this often. All live theater (even when filmed) becomes a type of “lost media” after its run because it’s presented and intended as a live experience. Should we consider every night of a theatrical run a type of “loss” once it bows? It’s just a philosophical thought for me.
It doesn’t help that contracts sometimes made it cheaper to redo productions rather than re-air them.
Yea Im really burning a hole in my pocket keeping those old VHSs in that box in the closet🙄
@@brianwilhelm3777 The March of technology is an amazing thing, no? Something that once cost a great sum to procure now costs just peanuts.
The truth is there is more lost media then there is archived for the future .Those old film tapes before digital tech and electric storage devise's came into play in are world, the old magnetic tapes used for filming was expensive and often reused and taped over for other projects ,Even NASA reused and taped over hours off the original moon landing tapes we will never see or hear the waffles they tossed on that trip .
You know what's a deep mine of lost media? Radio. It's almost always live and the pre-casette days (aside from some pre-produced shows) are just freakin' gone. Today I suppose a lt is recorded, but you rarely hear of repeats or re-releases. Once when going on holiday we caught this hilarious local station outside London. They were talking about a crazy charity event in the USA (something something people slapped with dead fish to raise money for a talking fire engine), and commented "they wouldn't even use that as a plot in South Park!", then the rest of the show went in and out of being a South Park parody, including the credits all being delivered in Cartman's voice.
You could fly out into space slightly faster than light and eventually you’ll catch up to the radio signals… and possibly go back in time as well, allowing you to listen live!
I love lost media. It is my favorite topic to talk about.
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After you have a decent library of videos built up, I'd love to see an update on some of the topics you've covered if there's been any new info. Well done so far, very informative.
Ironically, the thumbnail for this video reminds me of a lost media of my own: PLAYING CHICKEN WITH THE TRAIN. Apparently it was a filmstrip on train safety, and ends with a group of teens being decapitated (!) when playing too close to a passing train.
Why Spider-Man? Because that's the one detail I can remember from the film too...a kid was reading a Spidey comic book.
Wow 4:18 photo of Kraven The Hunter looks way better then the new Kraven the Hunter movie coming out ironically lol
Sure it does, bro
Bad quality hides A LOT.
insane that i went to sixth form with you and now i have your content unironically recommended to me
-matty
When lost media becomes lost permanently always breaks my heart unless if it’s a death scene, or something else.
Old VHS tapes may be the last hope of finding lost media. I can’t count how many tapes I’ve seen at flea markets that people had recorded television shows on.📼
I am from Venezuela, here romantic soap operas used to be an institution and a tradition, when my grandmother suffered a stroke she was unconscious for 3 days between life and death, when she regained consciousness the first thing she told me was to record the soap operas 9 and 10 at night, this is what I did after buying several blank tapes, by the time she returned home she had dozens of episodes behind and I continued doing it like this for several years because she could no longer stay awake after 8 at night night, she watched the episodes in the morning, I think I still have a dozen tapes with episodes of those soap operas, but the VHS in my house was damaged many years ago.
I'd really like to see more stuff like this from the lost media community. I'm quite tired of lost media for popular well-documented shows that are less than 20 years old getting all the focus.
Of all of those, I think only Spider-Man Vs Kraven The Hunter has a good chance of still existing. We know the only digital copy was lost with Cardozo's computer but there was at least one film copy that was made plus the original film itself. Also there was a clip film that was given to Marvel. It's possible that other members of the production crew had production footage that may be still with them or their families. Of course all of that could have been destroyed or is no longer viewable.
Love these videos
And I love those who love them
imagine actually wanting to make a "thomas the tank engine" show LIVE lol
ok but what if they used real trains 😍😍
It's always sad to think something is completely lost, I would definitely love to see spider man vs kraven and the sad story of Henry 1953.
Didn't Thomas the tank series done the episode where Henry was bricked in the tunnel
@@charlottestreet3301 ya
As a Thomas fan, I'd love to be able to see that broadcast. At the very least to see more photos of the trains. As a odd side note, I have often wondered if as they were using Julia Lang, if she was to begin the story in her customary manner from Listen With Mother.
Recently discovered your channel, absolutely fantastic coverage on lost media.
Fun fact, author of R.U.R. (with help from his brother) invented the word Robot. We use that word today because of that play.
From the Czech word robota meaning labour. I think the only other Czech words in common use in the English language are pistol, polka, and since its creation, Semtex
I enjoy finding out things about lost media, and the possibility of any footage that might surface. Thanks for sharing this mini--doc!
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The Spider-Man vs Kraven The Hunter short film is something I would like to see, The Sad Story Of Henry is likely lost forever, but thank god we’ve got evidence that it did exist.
Duuuuuude it is f'in wild and awesome that you covered the Riordans. (Pronounced Reardans) My dad always talks about watching it when he was younger. I didnt really know much about it apart from Gabriel Byrne being in it.ill be very happy to show him this video. Great analysis and research. RTE are horrendous for mismanagement. Have you seen Bachelor's Walk by John Carney who made Once and Sing Street? It was unavailable for years after it first screened. I heard both disagreements between Carney and RTE and issues with music rights being the cause for it being locked away. I actually bought copies of it off someone on facebook who happened to tape every episode. I think it's the best Irish produced show. It was thankfully added to RTE player a few years ago but the quality isnt great
I remember reading that article about the Spider man movie in an issue of Marvels Fan Magazine,
Marvelmania, that I got when I joined the Marvel fan club.
I also got a fan club card, a poster and some stickers.
Great stuff 👍 so great that I subscribed to this channel 👍
That kraven would have been badass. Great job 👍👌👍👏👍👏
The Spider Man movie is like the London After Midnight of the comic book world.
I’m just happy to be here lol😭
The E in RTE is pronounced "Airen" just letting you know
Just came across your channel interesting stuff you have yourself a new subscriber!
there is one episode of Starstuff on youtube, it was a saturday morning live action tv show with kids communicating via televisions from the early 1980s it had puppet scenes and laurel and hardy shorts and maybe the little rascals too, and the boy was on earth and the girl was in a space ship? far far away and the boy somehow made a communicator by putting a tv connected to a ham radio and came up with a telescreen commuicator ages before zoom calls.
the star of the show, the boy grew up and got copies of the episodes, and i tried to contact him to get the episodes but he said he lent them to his friend and then never got them back, and so only one episode made it to youtube and the tv station taped over the tapes that were at the station. so those tapes the star had were the only copies.
the mention of doctor who caught me so off guard 😭 I rlly can't watch anything without a doctor who reference or it being mentioned
14:56
Probably what you guys came for you're welcome
Kravem was played by Harvey Kartel . He mentions it in an interview
Including short fan films would literally make for thousands of examples of lost media
1:14 He looks like Donald Pleasance.
the "cus the bitches can" album by land of hell newest name onyx colony seems pretty lost (onyx colony band broke up in 2013 and the singer is now dagames)
Many TV shows of Dumont productions are lost.
I believe that foom issue 3 carried the story of this spidy fan film. It sure looked good at the time. As well, in a later issue, marvel posted the news of a marvel Christmas show, with songs in it, circa 74-75, that was to air on tv. Never another word on it after that.
Anyone heard about the Sunny Orange Commercial in the Philippines?
You probably won't be surprised that RTE are still losing money hand over fist.
0:14 that mispronounciation killed me inside (it's pronounced radio tele-feesh air inn)
jokes aside, it's nice seeing irish lost media being talked about
As an Irish man myself, I should be embarrassed
Wouldn't say "permanently". All it would take is for someone to invent a time machine, then go roughly to the time of the original release and get it.
The Spider-Signal looks like the one used on the 67 Animated. At the time this was made, while the reruns were frequent, another possible source for the image were these kiddy mini-projectors that would show cartoons and the like - these were dedicated toys, not Super 8 or anything like that. Of course, as pointed out, we'll never know.
15:56
>Gow-ge
You mean gauge?
Oh also- Simon Vaughn is very easy to get in contact with and hes a lovely guy willing to talk about the ally pally stuff
Cheers
Also, the engine from Thomas got let out of the tunnel in the next episode.
The real lost media you'll never see is Local things that only aired in one area and the stuff too boring to have a following.
I question if fan made and film school projects count but they would be among the things you'll never see.
really appreciating the work here, but next time you come across any Irish surnames or Irish language names you might want to just check the pronunciation before diving in. Riordans isn't Ree-ord-dans. It's pronounced Rear-dons. The people talking about it in the clip you include are pronouncing it correctly. And the state broadcaster is pronounced Rad-ey-Oh Telly-Fish Erin. Remember, vowels in languages that aren't English tend not to make the same sounds.
Had no idea about that Spider-man project, it sounds fascinating.
Thank you
This is the first time I've heard of that Spiderman movie that is so awesome
I have the original Thomas broadcast on VHS!!!
Thanks
too bad about that Kraven film it probably now will be the most faithful adaptation with what they are doing to the character now at Sony, making him not the character from the comic books
Impressive research and editing- I worked in documentary for some years and it’s an art form that you only learn with hard work. A constructive bit of advice is to double check pronunciation of words and names. You made some fundamental errors. The producer/director/writer Barry Letts was caught out on an episode of Doctor Who when he told Jon Pertwee to pronounce Chitin with a ‘ch’ - he was corrected by a viewer - also a university lecturer - that it should be a hard K like Kite followed by ‘in’. Too late to be corrected! Anyway, keep up the good work!
16:25 AYO PAUSE
Try and investigate how words are pronounced diaspora (dee asp ora) fanzine (fan zeen) Gloucestershire (gloss ter sheer) gauge (gage) re-creations should be pronounced as it looks as recreation is something completely different. Generally however the videos are great.
13:04 That was the worst pronunciation of Gloucestershire I've ever heard not come from an American lmao (FYI it's Gloss-ter-sher not Gl-ow-chestershire)
Jesus 😅😅😅
Add to the list lost epizode of miś spod okienka kids show in poland epizode is lost becose it was live and actor that was in the show say a cursed word why it is never be found? It was in 80s and poland is poor country so only know recording was in tvp a polish stacion but 99% it was destroid. How it can be found there 2 other way 1st rich family from poland will record it second family from other country unlikely will record it sorry if i spell something wrong
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16:26 Me and you both Henry..
BBC 🤨🤨🤨🤨
Request: The UA-cam Video That Was Cancelled (BFDIA 6) (2013)
ua-cam.com/video/qGqde_06qj8/v-deo.htmlsi=YXb4wKrAJrEyNGvZ
And by zero zero "gouge"?
You mean "gage"?
Rhymes with cage.
Yes
hi
You are underrated
Diaspora: pronounced like "die-ass-pur-ah"
yo u fw ur dads music?
If you do a volume 4, I'd like to see you cover the Private SNAFU short "Secrets of the Caribbean"
Woah you really butchered the pronunciation of radio teilifis eireann
Riordan's is pronounced "Reardon's".
These Permanently Lost Media videos seemingly go viral for you
Fortunately, yes
Bro butchered the name radio teilifís éireann and any other Irish name😭😭
I really like your lost media stuff but I can't say i care much for the other content on your channel, and judging by the view counts of videos that have lost media vs ones that don't, have you thought about creating a separate channel for miscellaneous stuff and keeping this one purely as a lost media channel? I say this because I tend to prefer having my subscription feed purely made up of things I want to watch, and I've actually unfollowed people before for having a lot of miscellaneous videos uploaded to their channel and only once in a blue moon uploading one that's more relevant to my tastes.
I also feel like if you rebranded to being strictly a lost media channel it'd give people just finding you a better idea of what to expect and why they should subscribe to you. You make a lot of unique lost media videos and I'd say it's up there with lsupersonicq in terms of the uniqueness of it, so I could easily see this channel becoming bigger, especially if it's more focused to a certain niche.
Mmm no ive actually seen all of it, cuz im him, and you're not
OO Gauge is pronounced Oh Oh Gaje. If you're going to do history stuff, learn to pronounce the words eh?
You're the third person to tell me. Congratulations
No need to be a douche about it basically well fed numbers