Fixing Endgame’s Two Worst Characters
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- On this episode of Thor Talk, we’ll look at how one change could drastically improve the two most poorly portrayed characters in Endgame: Thor and Hulk. Endgame sets up a lot for these two characters, but strangely chooses to ignore its own setups in favor of subverting expectations and fan service. This inevitably makes Thor and Hulk the weakest characters in the film, so we’ll see how they could have been improved.
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the best place to go with endgame would have been setting up secret wars 2. and then have phase 4 be secret wars events. the events of secret wars 2 begin with a univerwe dying. it would be cool if the mcu was the universe that died to start secret wars 2. it would explain why thanos was right and the aveng3rs undoing the snap could be part of that
Whenever the ancient one knocked banner out of his body I would've loved to see Savage hulk get back up and jump away while banner is still outside the body
That is exactly what I was thinking
Cesar Salcido All the hulk fans would go nuts.
@Cesar Salcido so u want hulk to ruin the best and battle in history when it's only supposed to be Tony's job
@Cesar Salcido Dude u clearly don't get it. Thor isn't fit enough to do the snap. Y would Tony just make an arm for Thor when they haven't even decided on which one is doing the snap and they have to do it fast especially since thanos's ship was there right after the snap. And also is that all u want from hulk? SMASH SMASH SMASH. And also, IT IS TONY STARK'SSSSSS JOB TO KILL TH ANUS. So stop acting like endgame revolves around hulk and also if hulk just kills thanos then we wouldn't get to hear Capitan America saying AVENGERS ASSEMBLE and 1 of the most satisfying deaths in cinematic history
That's not how it works
Hulk should’ve been there to fight Thanos and stop him from snapping instead of Captain Marvel
AGREED!
It was still nice to see captain marvel getting bitch bopped by Thanos
At first I didn't understand why people hated her so much but now after some long thinking I understand why people hate her it most def should've been Hulk youre absolutely RIGHTTT he is more deserving than she'll ever be now I will give her credit for taking out Thanos ship and a few other things she did but other than that BYE CAPTAIN MARVEL
@Repo man That Is Exactly What I Think From The Time I Watched Endgame
@Repo man Or just remove Captain Marvel all together.
The fact that Hulk was supposed to have a rematch with Thanos in the original finale reminds me just how anticlimactic the wrap up to his arc was.
Danny Palin I mean Mark Ruffalo still has one movie left in his contract so maybe they could redeem him…
Joe Dirt sad but probably true
Joe Dirt watch galactus be a girl😂
Sebslasher 88 galactina
Joe Dirt you’re reaching. Loki and Dr Strange get movies and are none of those things. Don’t blame bad writing on trying to sideline whites dudes.
You know I’m a die hard Thor fan I stay by the character 100% but yes they screwed him and hulk
@J Will As a 100% hulk fan myself (and not just because of that fact) end game was shit. I mean... where do I even start? Hulk dabs?!?! Hulk is turned into some sort of beta cuck that doesnt fight? Hulk says he should do the snap because the stones are mostly gamma radiation yet even with that fact and his healing factor somehow this damage is permanent? After captain marvel I knew the sjw influence was going to take over but I had hoped end game would be spared.... I was wrong. Just look at the "girl power" scene where the females pose with each other in battle and meanwhile fat thor is useless and hulk is a gimp with only soy boy chris evans as captain america being a badass. Infinity war was FAR superior to this trash.
@@bradjenkins2861 I like Thor and hulk and the girl power seen I'll admit it was a best shoehorn in same with Captain Marvel but that's not enough to make me hate and I kind of liked it that they switched it although I can understand why people I was just glad to not see the hulk fight for changed since I got sick of that and that's worth or well it was kind of fun to see Thor go up against the same guy who took everything from him
You should check out inotiaking's endgame video. see if you like his take he also didn't like how these charactesr were treated.
The way they wrote the story made it seem like Thor was after atonement about the snap and Hulk wanted a rematch with Thanos. That was already a big problem. Because it should have been Thor who wanted to kill Thanos and the more level headed Banner that wanted to do something about the Snap. That's why fat Thor doesn't work and why offscreen Professor Hulk just looks like Banner murdered Hulk for not listening in Infinity War.
@SSJ4GAWD LEDGER Joe fix it isn't as strong as savage hulk but he still isn't a beta male like mcu professor hulk. He would've whooped thanos with the gauntlet on his hand.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Thor and hulk should of switched places.
You should check out inotiaking's endgame video. see if you like his take he also didn't like how these charactesr were treated.
The way they wrote the story made it seem like Thor was after atonement about the snap and Hulk wanted a rematch with Thanos. That was already a big problem. Because it should have been Thor who wanted to kill Thanos and the more level headed Banner that wanted to do something about the Snap. That's why fat Thor doesn't work and why offscreen Professor Hulk just looks like Banner murdered Hulk for not listening in Infinity War.
This is how it would happen in my head-cannon. This would be how he gets the destroyer arm.
I would actually love to see that
Isn't stormbreaker supposed to heal Thor? It save him in infinity war from dying, so why couldn't it heal his arm?
It's either the hammer cant heal him from the snap or they forgot
@@Zaacdrums that's one of things bugging me about endgame. They shot the two movies back to back and seemingly forgot the rules they established in infinity war. They took a big dooky on both thor and hulk
@@bleepblop6132 Stormbreaker cannot actually heal Thor , Stormbreaker only has the power of summoning the Bifrost , Thor heals himself on his own. And since Stormbreaker doesn't have Odin's spell , it doesn't hold Thor's powers back. Hence why when Stormbreaker was made at that moment Thor passed the dark energy through it helping him channel his power much faster than Mjolnir which enabled Thor to heal instantly. In simple words , Mjolnir can find someone worthy enough to pass the power of Thor embedded in it , while Stormbreaker directly channels Thor and is pretty much useless unless Thor uses it.
Glad i wasn't the only one horrified by the way Thor was portrayed in Endgame.
@Kermit da froog he was supposed to stop being fat as soon as the new asgard scene was over, but chris wanted to give a body positivity message
@@killian9314 I used to like Chris Hemsworth as Thor, but not anymore because of this things. He made it a comedic character even more than the directors and writers.
@@grogu9698 let's not forget his infamous line in Thor ragnarok "very progressive"
@@grogu9698 tho its more realistic who wouldnt be like that after losing your mother your father your brother destroy where u were born and not save the world? Think more realistic it would br stupid if just got thin after that as well because he is still goig through some stuff
@@ilikelofi2119 Thor doesn´t need to be realistic. Thor is a god, is pure fantasy is the less realistic character of all. Realism Works for characters like Batman, not for characters like Superman or, in this case, Thor.
I mean aleast they'll still will get sequels.
Unlike Stark or Cap.
But then again Hulk will probably won't get a ever sequel.
It's been 11 years since his movie came out.
It's because Universal just won't give the Hulk rights up to Disney. This means he can't get solo movies and needs to be in other movies like the Avengers movies and Thor Ragnarok.
@Cataclysmic Dildoser I don't know tbh. Unlike Sony with Spider-Man, Hulk isn't their biggest money maker especially in recent years and it still surprises me they haven't given Disney the rights
@@Laki2006 Because after the MCU: The Hulk will be very marketable. He's one of the favs' of the MCU. I'm pretty sure Universal is paying attention; but I really would like to see a Disney helmed Hulk film.
@@johnjonahjameson6192 well we got one with "The Incredible Hulk" in 2008 but I'd like to see a better version and while Disney doesn't have him as a great side character if he had the spotlight I'd like to see what they do with him and maybe he could become a better character
@@johnjonahjameson6192 a new hulk game too and that's all I need
Only thing more powerful than Thor is plot armor. 🤷🏾♂️
The Archangel thanks for the laugh. Stupid comments are hilarious
The Archangel bruh
@The Archangel Quake is absurdly powerful in season 5 end
Graviton
The Archangel how does that make her more powerful than Thor? Has she destroyed galaxies? Has she held 20 planets with one hand? Has she even killed a god? 😂
All I got to say is endgame would have been the perfect time for world breaker hulk. Imagine hulk sees Thanos beating on his friends then we hear Clint's voice saying Natasha is gone and we hear Natasha say the sun's getting real low then BANG! Hulk opens his eyes but it's not banner anymore, now we see his eyes glow with gamma radiation and a powerful roar of overwhelming anger. Hulk charges Thanos for a round 2 match and the fight begins.
He probably wouldn't win but at least buy enough time for someone to use the gauntlet to annihilate Thanos' forces and Thanos himself.
Thor loses an Arm and Vets the destroyer arm forged from Eitri
Dang thats would have been dope.
Literal chills
That's why I think infinity war is better. Endgame was definetly still a good movie, but Infinity War was damn near a perfect comic book movie
I agree wholeheartedly.
i didn't really like endgame at all and it's the only mcu movie that i lost interest in half way through.
I agree, but infinity war screwed the hulk too, only in endgame it was worse
100% true. I do like Endgame but it could have been so much better. Infinity War on the other hand is perfect for me.
So much conflict and comic book imagery, it was magic for me. Literally though my lucid dreams have been 50x more exciting now that I can use the gauntlet thanks to sound and visual effects, led to better sleep schedule too. It sounds silly but that movie did more for me than just be a movie.
Who else is afraid of marvel's upcoming thor movie. I hope it won't follow jason's comic.
Rizal Disraeli Ramos i agree
just some guy without a mustache Taika Watiti said it’ll follow Jason’s comic tho.
I am a long time Thor fan and I am already checked out on Thor 4 as soon as the Jane Thor that didn't sell was announced. The mcu after endgame isn't going to hold up bc there is so much forced crap going on instead of telling good stories.
Im not worried, ill take jane foster over fat thor(besides i do like Jane foster Thor)
@Joe Dirt im cool with that
*Hulk in Endgame*
Me: Look how they massacred my boy.
BSJ IN YO HOUSE nice Godfather reference
They are actually reserving hulk and thor against galactus ....
I wish 😞
I don't wish, reserve them for a new bad guy and not the one that had the most impact on their lives? It's a middle finger to their characters and arcs
@@xrstevenson i don't think that will ever happened again in the MCU considering the fact that the new thor is jane foster ang they also announce the she-hulk 😞
SUN DER Chris Hemsworth actually wants to play the character for a long time so I would still have hope
Thor has one more movie but idk what else and hulk we’ll mark ruffalo hasn’t signed a new contract but he might show up in he she-hulk disney+ series maybe
Galactus will have to be beaten by a woman and possibly a trans woman because that's Marvel's marching orders from here out...
I agree MCU Thor is too much of a goofball compared to 616 thor.
The best and most faithful to Jack Kirby's Thor is still is the one from Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
@@KamenRider1 true
@@KamenRider1 Have at thee!
I mean he wasn't always like this. I liked the way he talked and acted in the first film but for whatever reason they decided to just ditch that act with comical bearded guy
I don't mind some humor but they over did it with Ragnorok.
Hawkeye is the victim of the MCU: no solo film, hardly any screen time.
He had in age of ultron
ghost245353 he will get a solo movie in 2020 its part of phase 4
@Jahua Remonde it’s a tv not a movie
@Max 2848 It was only 6000 years I can do that standing on my head.
His character arc was complete, relevant and strong.
100% agree! Can we just fund your version of the movie, not too many changes but perfect
Hulk in the MCU:
*WASTED POTENTIAL 100*
Seriously, all these comments are so damn right it hurts
Cap and Tony were overly glorified on the cost of Thor and Hulk(Btw I also like Cap and tony)
To be fair, their contracts ended, so they have to retire the character in a dignified way. Captain America and Iron Man essentially created the MCU, so it make sense for them to make a grand exit. Chris Hemsworth's contract is still ongoing, Evans and Downey Jr's are not.
Wait, cap and iron man created the Mcu, but not Thor??? You realize Thor was the second Marvel hero to get a film, before cap, right???
@@thundergodd6086
MCU pretty much revolved around Captain America and Iron Man, as well as the chemistry between those two characters, up until the end of Endgame. Thor's film might came before Cap's, but Cap is basically the first Avengers, he shaped it, and everyone in SHIELD have connection with Steve one way or another. Also, I have to remind you that Endgame IS the Avengers movie, and Cap is a de facto mascot of the Avengers.
Captain America: Civil War is basically what caused the Avengers to be under-prepared for Thanos attack, Steve and Tony were directly responsible for it. If you summarized the whole MCU phases from 1 to 3, Thor played a comparatively small role in the story arc.
@@mickeyg7219 lol Thor's and Hulk's character arcs got fucked up in order for Iron man and Cap to have a fitting ending, and yet they didn't. Instead of learning how to live with things and accept reality, Cap decided to just go back in time and live his life. A perfectly happy ending like thr ones in fairytales. Iron-man's death was pointless. Forced and didn't need to happen.
@Mickey G You’re delusional if you think it centered around those two without Thor. As Nick Fury and Colson stated in the first Avengers movie, Thor’s appearance changed the entire game.
By the Gods!!! The suggestions you have just given us are amazing! Thor redeeming snap + HulkvsThanos end fight is a genius way to end their character arks in endgame respectively. Granted, I still would want to get rid of fat Thor, and perhaps make his state of depression one with more violent undertones rather than false happiness, forcing him into total isolation so he can let out his anger and pain at failing by constantly crushing glaciers in a frozen tundra and parting the sea with the power of his internal wrath. Granted, these would look like godly tantrums, I still would've enjoyed a powerful, angry depressed Thor, more than the weak, fake/happy depressed fat thor that we received.
Love your content, keep up the good work. And Thor bless you.
this is so accurate, his depression seemed so off to me. as somebody who struggles with mental health issues myself, i just can’t see thor becoming like that. sure, it can be said he was drunk so we can only hope we’ll get angry, moody thunder boy soon ^^
I can't remember where I read this but the Russo's said that there was a draft of the script where Thor does snap and lose an arm. He also would have brought back Asgard in addition to undoing the snap. I agree with you that it would have made more sense this way.
As far as I know, the Infinity Gauntlet couldn't and didn't bring anyone that died outside of the snap back. I think it's a good writing since the gauntlet's power is not limitless, it only cheapens the death if it's like that.
Actually, the Gauntlet’s power was essentially limitless. The Mcu changed and made up their own rules for the gauntlet.
Yup. And in that same script I'm petty the Hulk fights Thanos and gets power stoned. There are behind the scenes photo's of Ruffalo and Brolin together in mocap. But low and behold: the suits come in (after the Russo's finished filming) and made them shoehorn propaganda into the story.
@@mickeyg7219 the Gauntlet can do anything except bring back people sacrificed for the stone. So he definitely could've brought Asgard back
Russos said in an interview that Thor would've died if he did the snap. Only Thanos and Hulk can do it and you already know that even Hulk managed to do it barely, other than Thanos and Hulk absolutely no one can do it without dying.
They just emasculated the two most powerful characters, to make the 'ladies'' seem better.
Yeah! Sjw wokeness! Completely ruined!
THANK YOU! been saying that.
I agree halfway. Because they did de-power Thor. But I don’t really feel like it was done to put the spotlight the girls. But more because they needed to let Cap have his moment since this was his last movie, and if Thor was really given his moment in an Endgame fight, he would most likely have made Cap wielding Mjolnir seem less impressive, by comparison. Giving him the spotlight after Cap picked up Mjolnir, would’ve pretty much made it seem, yes, Cap may indeed have the power of Mjolnir, but he’s still not, and never will be quite on par with Thor, thus severely killing the hyped mood in the audience over Cap reveal of being Worthy.
@@suicidaleuphoria7012 This is mcu not comics
Its Disney so what do you expect
Honestly, I think Captain Marvel was the weakest character if only because she was little more than a deus ex machina (although I do like her brief exchange with Peter Parker), but Thor and Hulk were underserved, although I think Thor less so.
Hulk and Banner needed a chance to have it out for us to see so we could see them reconcile with one another inorder to create a truly better Hulk, World Breaker Hulk perhaps, who can still be smart, but also have the meanness and capacity for targeted destruction that can rough Thanos up a bit before Tony does his thing. The surprise "smart Hulk" was a great scene, and I like the idea, but Banner only really just sippressed Hulk iv a different way, by basicallu hijacking his body. If they were going to do that, we needed to see a watershed moment between Hulk and Bruce for ourselves to give meaning ti what happened. Reconciling Bruce and Hulk should be like Bruce "integrating his shadow" in Jungian terms, coming to terms with his darker, more aggressive side so he can consciously master it and channel it for constructive purposes instead of repressing it and giving it an opportunity to consume you. They should have manifested this by giving us a scene in the heat of the final battle in which Bruce acknowledges he and the Hulk don't have what it takes to fight and win on their own, so they need to work together to beat Thanos. This merging of the two personalities should have created a simultaneously intelligent but aggressive World Breaker Hulk like we see in World War Hulk (minus the thirst for revenge against his allies). The arrival of this apex Hulk could have coincided with Captain Marvel's arrival to signal the turning point of the battle, and he could have smacked Thanos around a bit and helped Carol, Steve and Thor subdue and restrain Thanos so Tony could get the gauntlet and save tue universe.
I, for one, don't actually have any problem with "fat Thor" being a thing. It's an interesting look at how Thanos's victory in Wakanda uniquely broke his spirit because that is legitimately what can happen to people who become depressed and don't know how to deal with trauna and despair. Their mistake was making too much of a joke of the manifestation of his pain, his uncharacteristic weight. I loved Thor's debut. Fat jokes are low brow, but they can be funny if done right, and his first scene was brilliant at balanacing comedic humor with communicating the fact that Thor is a pitiable shell of his former self. Beyond maybe the one Big Lebowski joke which was at least pretty funny, they shouldn't have kicked him while he was down. That likely wasn't the goal because letting Hemsworth do comedy was, but it belittled Thor's experience. The problem isn't fat Thor existing, and neither was it necessarily others trying to tell Thor to get himself together physically. They made it more of a joke than was appropriate for the kind of story they were trying to tell with him. The shtick arguably overstayed it's welcome. It probably takes a while to build a functioning quantum time machine, so during that time, since Thor is basically useless in that department, we should havr seen some kind of brief Rocky Balboa montage in which he's trying to prepare for the mission in the best way he knows how, by whipping himself into fighting shape. He doesn't have to be in peak form like he was in Infinity War and the beginning of Endgame, but seeing him break down with Rocket and his mother during the mission, a great scene btw, could have been even more poignant because it would have shown the sickness that ails him is psychological, emotional and even spiritual, and it isn't just something that can be fixed by fixing the material body. It takes time to heal from trauma. They were trying to communicate that trauma, pain or even failure don't make you unworthy. They make you human (figuratively in his case), and what matters is how you get back up after getting knocked down, something Freja did a great job of communicating. They really gave Thor a Rocky 2 and especially a Rocky 3 inspired arc, which is yet another reason why a workout training montage would have also been a fitting reference. Making Thor the one to do the snap would have been more fitting. On that, I am totallu on board, and seeing a battered Thor still get up out of the rubble in spite of his injury to trade blows with Thanos alongside Tony and Steve could have been just as cool as duel-wielding Thor. It would have given physical manifestation of the theme of his arc, that pain and failure don't make you any less worthy of a heroic figure so long as you get back up swinging. Giving him an artificial arm at the funeral would have also been a cool tease of things to come as well.
I still love Endgame, and i do appreciate the intent behind whay was done with Thor and Hulk. It was just a flawed execution. As disappointing as that is, I can forgive it because at least the foundation of great ideas were still there. They may have stumbled past the finish line with those two, but the rest of the movie was still great. I can forgive dropping two balls when they were basically trying to juggle 20 at once.
I expected a rocky montage and would have hated it if it did happen. Not sure how to fix the hulk but the way he was, was terrible. Smart hulk always sucked in my opinion though so I might be biased
She wasn't really a deus ex machina, though. Keep in mind that they shot this BEFORE they knew how people were going to respond to her own solo movie. She wasn't supposed to be a deus ex machina. Most of her role occurred off-screen, which they dealt with in exposition scenes.
@David Shaw Spidey's hug with Tony emasculated Spider-Man. SMH. I mean come on, these are two men. And they are hugging during a fight? Completely emasculating.
@David Shaw oh no, Spiderman was a full grown over the top mascule man !! Oh my God, I completely forgot he had just 17 yrs old and just wanted to go out with a girl.....ffs
@David Shaw where not talking about comics. Holland's Spiderman is, literally, the most different non-comic Spiderman.
They need to break down Thor because he was too powerful. He had too much character progression and general strength. Couldn't upstage Carol Danvers now. That would be problematic.
Oh for God's sake. I wish people would stop making every problem out to be because of Captain Marvel. The hate train is so toxic. It was CLEARLY done so as to not overshadow Cap and Ironman. The two poster boys of the MCU. What with this being their big finish. I mean Christ she was barely even in it.
@@byronsenior6499 I'm not talking about just endgame. Sure, Thor overpowered Thanos with a full infinity gauntlet and all it took was the power stone to overpower Carol. But going forward, KF is pushing the narrative that Captain Marvel is the strongest avenger. Thor was on the chopping block from the second they conceptualized CM that way.
@@terratheterribl I'm really getting tired of everyone saying, Thor overpowered Thanos with the gauntlet. He didn't. All he did was, catch Thanos off guard. And Thanos didn't know Stormbreaker could take the power of the infinity gauntlet.
@@terratheterribl Well I guess that's a bit fairer. It just feels like she's blamed for some things that aren't on her.
Unrelated but I dig your obscure Yu-Gi-Oh thumbnail.
Overall, I'm left unsatisfied and very much disappointed over how Thor and Hulk have been treated in the MCU but the way they were treated in Endgame was the fatal blow. I agree with the sentiment of some of us here and felt that these two were sacrificed in favour of Cap and Shell Head.
While Iron Man and Cap were my favourite Avengers growing up as a child, Thor was the one I grew to respect as a teenager and now as an Adult because of my interest in the age of gods and mythology. Banner was one I sympathize with because I could relate to the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde tale because of how I was (and sometimes still am) treated by my peers.
You have two of the most powerful and respected members of the Avengers relegated to being the butt of jokes with forced arcs to give them a forced feeling of relevance.
Because of this I have ZERO confidence in what they have in store for Thor especially with what they have revealed about his fourth movie so far.
As for Hulk, I didn't really like how his character has been treated since after his last solo movie from 2008. The Hulk persona went from being a loose cannon/force of nature that was a wildcard among his peers, to a joke.
At the rate were going I fear what they have in mind for Beta Ray Bill, Norin Radd, Reed Richards and his family, and Victor Von Doom.
I'm not in a hurry of seeing Richard Rider and Adam Warlock.
I thought Hulk was fine in the first Avengers.
@@mainman3476
Yes. I actually think they had a good continuity up until Age of Ultron.
That’s Disney for ya. As much shit I give on Taika, I really believe his version of Hulk was a great continuation of what we got in AoU. The Russo’s just couldn’t pull off a proper conclusion to every OG member and that sucks. This was the time.
How? How does anyone like manchild Hulk? It boggles my mind people thought Ragnarok was such a good movie. It ruins both characters.
They take the two.most powerful characters, and turn them to nothing. Get new directors.
@Connor Emmons With everything the Russos "confirm", they certainly seem like writers at this point.
Writers.
@Straight Busta what you are annoyed because a gay character appeared for 1 minute?
Straight Busta
Great to show that you’re homophobic that literally has nothing to do with this video
its all part of the SJW movement
Amazing analysis. Makes sense why I felt empty by Hulk's portrayal in Endgame. Thanks for explaining it!
I think when nat dies, hulk rages and leaves for a while, then Thor and others make gauntlet and Thor snaps redeeming him, everything stays the same but without hulk, then durning the battle thanos is beating someone up badly and hulk jumps in out of nowhere in wb form getting his thanos rematch then everything plays on till the end, but Thor doesn’t lose an arm or any lasting damage because he is powerful enough to width-stand the stones, lol although I wish Thor has his hammer and not stormbreaker.
U have a fricking genius idea I love it! That would be a call back for Hulk from the 1st movie since he joined the fight late in that 1.
Yep thanks
Even better would be if Thanos killed Natasha instead of her sacrificing her self so hulk could show true rage.
Dr Strange42a Yh that would also be a very good idea
I agree wholeheartedly with this, Thor snapping and Hulk having a rematch with Thanos would have been far better and make sense for the arcs of these characters have. Nice video!
Having Hulk and Bruce work together to severely hurt/beat Thanos would be an excellent conclusion to his arc which would carry over from Infinity War.
I don't like the idea of introducing female versions of characters in the next mcu films
But she-hulk is bae ಠ ೧ ಠ SHE'S BAE
@Straight Busta I dont know if you're trying to be funny or what but muslim dont dress like she hulk bruh..pick something else for your lame humour
.... I think you sound like one of those annoying and weird anti sjws that think everything the media does is liberal propaganda because you don't like new ideas but whatever you say.
@@johnjonahjameson6192 female counterparts ARE original comic book characters fuckin dickwad
@@johnjonahjameson6192 lmao this clown talking about being open minded when he gets butthurt about female characters in fiction. It's not that we were talking about the Ghostbusters females movie, that was absurd. But these marvel female characters ARE in the comics, what do you have against that?
I wish Thanos and Thor had there relationship in the movies as they did in the comics. And Thor may have been useless in the fight against Thanos but just think without Thor Thanos Kills Ironman and Captain America within a minute even with Banner Hulk.
Yes,maybe they figure a way to give cap Mjnior before the fight and then they square up with thanos?
Professor hulk*
Thanos and Thor literally have 0 relations in the comics, your whole point fails right there...
@@cammte5471 you obviously havent watched enough of Thor Talks videos
Therefore, he wasn't useless.
End Game did suck because of what they did to Thor and Hulk!
Steve 8511 really?
@America Chavez Its not a masterpiece at all
Dr strange
What pisses me off is that Cap did more to Thanos with THOR’S power than Thor did. I’m tired of Thor being treated like a side character when he is 1/3 of the Big 3 he’s also the most powerful....second most powerful after Wanda. Marvel hates Thor. They hate him. They HATE him!
The only way we deal with Thor poor showing is the believe that he wasn't in his prime like in infinity war..its the only way this makes sense..how does even a super soldier have a better showing than a battle harden 1500 yr old warrior with a weapon greater than the one Steve had who was basically piggy backing off of thors powers. And all this vs a thanos who was weaker bc he didn't have the stones.It makes no sense.
shooting real5 exactly. But Feige said Thor has never been more powerful in this movie.
@@kj4286 He also said the capt marvel was one of the most popular characters in marvel comics lol..( low cancellation numbers currently and a history of reboots bc of low sells) so we have a Feige who stretches the truth or to just be honest, out and out lies.
Thor has always been a b-list hero and a frequent victim of the Worf Effect in the 616 comics.
@@MinscFromBaldursGate92 Thor has had comic crossovers events centered on him..I think capt marvel had civil war 2 and she had to share that with iron man. Going by your username I got to question your motive here..its your capt marvel who has had a history as a bench player..hell that was a plot point admitted by her character in the early 2000s and her hope to break out of that perception..too bad it hasnt helped her sales numbers at all lol.
Absolutely spot on. Thor should have seen Loki one last time in the Soul gem for a final hug. That his biggest mistake that sent him spiraling into a 5 year depression and Hulk's humiliation and defeat by Thanos weren't rectified by themselves is such a shame.
If they are gonna establish that "snap deaths only", which is kinda a nerf to the stones already, then at the bare min getting to see him in the past for a moment (hell that woulda been interesting for Loki's show)
Gotta agree with everything said here. Btw, I HATED Jason Aaron's run. Glad to see him go.
yeah too bad we're gonna see it in the movies now 😞😞
I wasnt a fan of jane foster thor, but I have to give credit where it's due. The god butcher story is one of the best I've ever read.
@@sethdanielw Gorr the God Butcher was ok, but Desak the God Slayer came first. Read Thor vol. 2.
@@timhenley3602 I don't think I've ever read something with him in it. I'll have to check that out. And either way, I liked the god butcher story a lot. It had a very serious tone and conflict. Plus, the art is incredible.
Fat Thor NEVER should of happened. Great video btw. Keep it up bro👍👍
I think the whole fat thor arc was great and touches with reality, he feels like a failure to everyone when he could've stopped it all, he's depressed and suffering from PTSD. When he travels back in time and get Mjolnir, realizes he is still worthy despite all this, gave a great setup for a resolution.
They had all the meat and they forgot to cook it. They sidelined him too for RDJ.
@@ryanthompson2723 I hear what your saying bro and you articulated yourself very well. However Thor is a God the whole point of him is to transcend the human nature. People talk about "humanising him" which is pointless because he is a God what's the point of making him a God if they're going to humanize him lol. He is a God for a reason. It made no sense to give him PTSD because he is not supposed to react how a human reacts to trauma he is supposed to act like how a God would.
@@IHateThingsThatEverybodyLoves He's not a god in the MCU, and oh boy then you're not gonna like God of War for humanizing gods
@@erickesquivel6150 He is a God... one of his names is LITERALLY God of Thunder... lol
@@IHateThingsThatEverybodyLoves In the comics yes and in Norse mythology but in the MCU they're just advanced aliens not gods
Hell, Thor snapping would've been a great-way to take him out of the final battle. I've heard that in the comics, Thor is so powerful that he only really comes in when the situation is SO dire that you need a Heavy-Hitter of his Caliber. Storm Breaker was able to penetrate Thanos' defenses at the HEIGHT of his power with a fully-powered Infinity Gauntlet. And yet in this movie, Thanos has no gauntlet, no stones...and yet he's holding off Iron Man, Captain America and Thor all at the same time. It makes no sense. Better to take him out of the fight than to have him contribute nothing to it.
If Thor snapped then his arm would have been damaged. He could get his robo arm from the comics.
My ranking for Avengers movies
1. Infinity war
2. Avengers 1
3. Endgame (only because of Cap and Tony's storylines)
4. Age of Ultron
Mr.E I honestly don’t get why everyone loves the first avengers. Its cinematography is problematic with its lighting and camera angles. The characters are more like caricatures than people. The story itself is not very good from the motivations to the arcs.
I loved the movie for its time but nostalgia has giving it too much slack for too long. Other then the scale of the final battle it’s really not great. Everyone acts as though it’s near perfect but I’d give it a 6-7/10
Chuck Organ: The reason so many people love The Avengers, like you mentioned, is because how unique and special it was for it’s time. Its the same reason why avatar and the first X-men was, and is so loved, because it introduced us to things we had never seen before.
Yes, it is a bit outdated and has some problems when it comes to cinematography but that’s not the point. Ofc it’s not perfect, but it’s about what the movie started, or what it gave us today.
@@chuckorgan74 I guess compared to today's movies, any old movie would be like a 6 or under. But at the time, it seemed like a 8-10 for most people. That's the reason its ranked there. Plus, endgame is too long and doesn't do certain characters storylines well, ahem hulk. So it is nowhere near the top 2. I was almost tempted to put endgame under age of Ultron lol. So yea theres a huge gap between the top 2 and the bottom 2 in my ranking
Mr.E I do understand your point but the character arcs in avengers are non existent and Josh Whedon didn’t know what to do with Captain America clearly. Honestly no one liked him until the Russo brothers rescued that franchise.
@@chuckorgan74 boiiii u have no fricking idea!
Where's the petition to sign up too have you direct THOR 4??
I want more THOR of course but afraid of the version of THOR that we are going to get.
Keep your Love MARVEL and give us more damn THUNDER!!!! ⚒⚡
I don't see a problem with Thor in Endgame. Hulk was there for the memes.
At least these 2 can be redeemed because they aren’t gone
Jackal Prints
You should have said “ don’t do it , don’t give me hope “
But if I have learned anything from Star Wars , it’s to never lose hope .
Hulk has only 1 movie left and he's stuck in his professor mode with only an arm, I don't see how he could possibly be redeemed. Thor is fine.
But they wont because they are too masculine
Mihawk D. Yonko I just want to see worldbreaker hulk kick someone’s ass
Lee Calhoun wait what?
He lost his mother.
he lost her gf.
he lost his father.
He lost his guardian friend.
he lost his brother.
he lost his home.
He lost his people.
Now this guy telling us he should sacrifice to prove worthy 🙄
Thanos may have lost just as much when his world was all but destroyed and he certainly is not worthy. Loss doesn’t equal worthiness
@@ThorTalk Thanos killed people not saved them.
thor doesn't need to be snap for prove his worthiness.
but at that time thor was mentally Disturbed.
According russo brothers statements. Infinity gauntlet requires the physically and mentally power.
thor can handle that gauntlet but he can't back those life bcs at that time his mental health was not okay, and even tony stark said in movie.
even he become successful at that time. his damage will not recover tho.
and thor has great future in upcoming movies, so they don't want to nerfed that character.
at last but not least
we expect better content not guy who said bs things about characters and Endgame.
peace.
He wouldn't die if he snapped, he's not mortal.
@@Chesterix he'll not die but injured
and infinity gauntlet is permanent so even hulk can heal (Russo brothers confirmed it) They don't want to nerf thor, bcz he has big role in upcoming movies.
Your's journey Our Passion I think he is saying because Thor is worthy he should have snapped. He is already worthy so snapping should have been his priority.
I feel if Thor snapped he would have been damaged but he could heal immediately with lightning like he did in Thor 1 and in infinity war after holding the iris open to heat up the mood for Storm breaker
If the directors didn't let hulk heal especially since he has a healing factor there's no way they would let Thor heal
That would cheapens the snap, everything about the Infinity Stones have consequences, and that's a good thing.
@@mickeyg7219 even if he didn't heal it wouldn't have been a problem they could've let him fight with one arm and after that could've given him a uru arm like in the comics.
It would’ve been great if Thor got buff again with long hair and hum snapping will make him lose his arm and give him the destroyer arm and it would be great for hulk so he can reach the ultimate power we always hoped he had
That's the only reason why I can't watch Endgame anymore. The character was destroyed...
The MCU destroyed the best character.
Thor is one of my favourite characters
Why did they have downgraded such
An Brilliant powerhouse to a jobber
That was part of what made his so special
Vs wiki
Put him on solar system level when
He has consistently fought and
Sometimes beaten skyfather level
Regularly who are multiversal level
Heck thor is acknowledge by thanos
And galactus
One time without moljir hammer
Push back and engine disighed
To collapse the the world tree
Who each realm is it's own universe
And possibly has a near infinite
Number of said realms
Thor is a force not to underestimate
@Kyle Clay
I'm not disagreeing with you
Kyle
I'm sorry if I got things wrong
But yes vs battle wiki is not always accurate
Thor is multi solar system to galaxy level
Highballed to universal to possibility multiversal or whatever
I wish someone could take note
Of that
Actually, you've said all the same things I said after the film. We saw Thor survive the force of a neutron star, surely a snap wouldn't kill him. In any case, I didn't mind the fat Thor thing. I thought the moment he recovered Mjolnir should have been his turning point. That line, "I'm still worthy!" should have MEANT something.
Similarly, I agree that Hulk never got to be HULK in this. Having Hulk and Banner together against Thanos at some point would have been very cool, where the two personas kind of work together.
I still say I'd have liked seeing Thor do some real Storm God stuff, though. Right before fighting Thanos, he holds out his arms and the clouds roll in, thunder cracks, and lightning plays across the clouds and then over his body, changing to his armour... but then it all goes away. No more storm, no more thunder, no more lightning. Indeed, Captain America did Thor better than Thor, actually hitting Thanos a few times, AND calling lightning down on him. I wanted to see some more THUNDER.
In the first Avengers movie Banner says his secret is that he's always angry. Hulk is pretty much the personification, the physical manifestation of Banner's rage. And he's got a lot of rage.
Which then disappears for no reason never to be seen again.
Sorry, but I just don't buy the notion that Banner and Hulk have "come to an understanding" allowing Banner full control over his Hulkness while retaining absolutely none of the rage that makes him Hulk out. Being able to manifest enough anger to remain in Hulk form (maybe demonstrated by Prof. Hulk being a bit crabby) while also letting the old-school Hulk rage come out when necessary - but guided by Banner's intellect - a more focused rage rather than wanton destruction seems like a more natural resolution to integrating both of Banner's personalities. But the Russos don't give a shit about Hulk or Thor, couldn't be bothered to show either of them even a shred of respect, and End Game is what we wound up with.
That's why turning Thor into a sloppy drunken oaf is just so irritating. It's very much not how Thor would react. He's not the kind of guy who'd indulge in a 5 year long pity party. He's the kind of guy that'd spend those 5 years finding bad guys to beat the shit out of. Unless, of course, the Russos just can't be bothered to do anything with the character and need a reason to ignore him as much as possible while the two characters they do care about get to dominate the movie.
Sure, the Russos spent several movies on Cap, and spent a lot of time with Stark as well. So I understand their partiality to those characters. But this isn't Civil War Part Deux. If you want Cap to have his moment to shine in a mano-a-mano against Thanos, maybe have Thanos' minions keep Thor busy - and keep his Thanos-killing hammer away from Thanos - while Cap and Thanos duke it out. But yeah, sure, have Thanos effortlessly beat the snot out of Thor (while easily wielding Stormbreaker against Thor) because that makes no sense. Would have been amusing to see Thanos try and fail to pull the same stunt on Mjolnir, though.
Yeah, I agree with this. Also, Thor losing an arm would have made it kind of ok if he gave the Throne of Asgard to Valkryie. & Jane becoming "Thor" would have been "ok" in that sense. Then halfway thru Thor 4 the real Thor can show up with the Destroyer arm & Stormbreaker to help kill Gorr or whatever.
Captain Marvel's role in the final battle against Thanos could also have easily been filled by either Thor or Hulk. She really is irrelevant.
I’ve always felt they have never given Thor or Hulk the kind of gravitas they deserve. Both are ridiculously underpowered in the MCU. Carol Danvers as the most powerful character? Really?? Do they pay no attention to the source material? Irritating to say the least. And the Hulk buster armor knocking out the Hulk? Come on!!
Infinity war was way better movie
Each time I say endgame was more of propaganda success many disagree wit me
Thor is the one who should snapped and also ended thanos
Hulk should have had a proper fight with Thanos
This movie is completely a farewell party to iron man, period
No you are right about infinity war over endgame.
I would say infinity war was WAY better but I do agree with you bro.
@@IHateThingsThatEverybodyLoves thank u bro
I agree
They're both good movies on their own
Please request TAIKA WAITITI (director of Thor's upcoming movie) to make Thor the most powerful hero in the MCU as he should have been. And request him not to destroy THOR's character like the Russo bros did to Thor in ENDGAME.
Banner's comment about Thor being scared makes a lot of sense actually. Every single time Thor went up against Thanos with something on the line, he failed (on the refugee ship and in Wakanda). Yeah he killed him the third time, but there was really nothing at stake at that point and Thanos didn't care. Even later on, second Thanos wasn't bothered at at all when he saw the video memory of first Thanos' head get cut off. He'd already won by that point.
Here’s what I would’ve done: after Hulking snapped, he would be imbued with all this cosmic energy, and he would turn into WORLD BREAKER HULK. He would then completely decimate Thanos. And Hulk would be the one to destroy Thanos’s ship with only one punch, instead of Captain Marvel.
Hulk should've got to smash something. And isn't gamma radiation meant to make him stronger?
The more I think about Endgame the more I hate it
How can you hate ENDGAME!!!!?
@@AdamMagus189 Its not necessarily what they did, its what they failed to do. Utilizing time travel to get so many callbacks was brilliant but ultimately they didn't quite stick the landing. In the face of Thanos, pretty much no major characters died. We can pick apart the movie scene by scene but the story would have been better if there was a bigger impact on the audience.
The film would have been helped out tremendously if we actually cared about Thanos's side kicks. Imagine if he was teamed up with Hela all along. This was infinity gauntlet, our heros will never be in more danger then they where and yet none of the main cast died in battle not due to their own decisions. I would have liked to see Thanos and Hela actually kill war machine, maybe take out falcon. With Hela in the film they wouldn't have had to nerf Thor and Hulk.
If Disney cared more about making a good story instead of selling future spin offs we would have gotten a better film. Obviously the film was brilliant but ultimately disappointing. There was so much unfulfilled potential. My story would have killed of more of the old guard, featured Hela, an Odin Force wielding Thor a setup for Thor 4 against those who sit above in shadow (why Hela is working with Thanos) and a snap that brings the xmen into the mcu.
@@BCD10 that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard the black order aren't even the real villains it's about thanos they're just an obstacle and also y would hela just appear out of no where and teams up with thanos?
Wasn't happy with the way they dealt with Thor and Hulk. I don't even watch Endgame it just spoiled the beauty that was Infinity War.
Even killing off Thanos and Iron Man was a mistake.
The MCU seem to be so out of touch with the comic characters that I can't realate to them on the big screen anymore.
Phase 4 really has put me off the MCU to be honest and made me appreciate reading comics even more.
How I imagined Hulk story would go:
1. Hulk would still do the reverse snap
2. His balance between Hulk and Banner, as hinted throughout the movie, would be a facade. Hulk would have hidden himself while leaving Banner with control of his body.
3. Banner would feel guilt, knowing that he had essentially sent Hulk, a person, to prison and maybe even death since he hadn't heard from him.
4. When banner snaps his fingers or acquires the soul stone, the issue is resolved and only one of them remains (Hulk). Through the soul stone or while acquiring it, Hulk is shown and Banner is for the first time ever able to actually talk with Hulk.
5. Banner, knows he will be near useless for whatever is coming next (plot or just story wise who actually cares about banner as he is) and that the only thing that he can do to help Hulk understand that he is sorry and convince him to help, is to die (I mean what is Banner going to do in future movies?)and give Hulk full control.
6. Hulk is free to fight, grow, and learn.
7. He may not be able to 1v1 thanos but he fights with greater focus and trying to coordinate with another Avenger in the fight.
It's all rough but I really thought they would use the soul stone to resolve that issue. I mean they had established Hulk as his own person, who could carry a story when paired with another character and Banner I think had played his part in the story, no movie that is coming up next is called "Banner".
Yeah! What a totally crazy arc for Thor! His father’s dead, his mother’s dead, his brother’s dead, Asgard is dead, he failed to stop Thanos’ snap. I mean why should he be a depressed alcoholic? He should have been doing 1000s of push-ups a day, preparing his macho self for the inevitable showdown between himself and Thanos, knowing that Tony Stark would eventually solve time travel five years later so he could have his chance.
On a more serious note. It’s clear, that this movie was more of an ending for Iron Man and Captain America’s stories. We will see more of Thor and Hulk in the future MCU.
2:02 do this in 0.25x speed. Thanos heals his chest!
I noticed it too
Glad I tuned in to this channel! You have some pretty informative and entertaining content on Thor as well as other characters.
i think their endings make sense given their arcs tbh. Banner was struggling to work with the Hulk, who he saw as violent and desolating. Banner was awkward and not confident in himself, and the Hulk was much the same. The Hulk also felt like Earth hated him, which is why he left Earth at the end of Ultron. Instead, they became one person and became calmer, thoughtful, more confident in themselves as a unit. Instead of engaging in destruction, we see Professor Hulk get to do the ultimate act of creation and restoration. It’s not a dramatic arc, but I don’t think it has to be.
Thor’s is also anticlimactic, but here you’re missing something-you’re writing up an ending about what Thor himself would think he has to be, and we even see this when they prep the gauntlet-he wants it to be himself because he thinks it’ll be the one good thing he could do, that he has to do it to make up for his failure. But why would he do that if it might kill him, as opposed to Hulk? He stopped being who he was supposed to be and just let himself fit in where he should fit in. He started being who he was, just like his mom told him he should, and like he acknowledged at the end of the movie. I think this is a fun subversion and says something about where Thor is now. You don’t have to do something big and dramatic to make up for failures. You just have go accept you failed and make up for it in the way you physically can.
How I would change things;
Thor snaps to undo his biggest regret. He is left one armed and retires at the end of the movie and leaves Valkyrie temporarily in charge while he recovers.
Hulk and Banner fight in the final battle so they contribute after not doing anything of note for IW after 10 minutes. Hulk rematches Thanos and puts on a solid showing but is still ultimately beaten by Thanos and loses an arm, but he makes Thanos bleed, breaks some armour forces him to work hard for victory. He goes on to try and restrain Thanos with Worthy Captain America one-armed at the last but are both power punched away.
Tony doesn’t create a gauntlet. Thor & Rocket are tasked from getting it on Nivadellir during 2018 and agree to do so with Eitri.
Thor is not a blubbering embarrassment. He is instead heartfelt and raw like he was when he spoke with Rocket on the way to Nivadellir in Infinity War. His reunion with his mum is tear jerking, not awkward.
Thor is not fuelled by alcohol when he agrees to join them. Instead he is desperate to fix his biggest mistake
Captain Marvel is knocked unconscious by the van explosion, and her one-on-one is replaced by an earlier fight with Hulk. Her main feats are destroying Sanctuary II and clearing most of the battlefield but she has no business fighting Thanos directly.
Drax also gets a shot at Thanos working alongside the remaining Guardians but instead of rushing in head first works under StarLords leadership in trying to restrain Thanos. Before Thanos can kill Drax, Hulk punches Thanos away.
There is no Old Captain America at the end. Instead Cap simply doesn’t return and rather leaves a note found in Buckys pocket.
Bucky reads the note declaring Bucky as Steve’s successor, but he knows he will never be worthy of the shield. It is Bucky who gives the shield to Falcon.
Agreed Thor should have snapped, i think he is one of THE coolest MCU characters and that he deserved it, and i agree on the arm thing, he's cooler without one.
Thor been MVP since Ragnarok, Hulk has been treated worse 😂😂😂
Joe Byrd Most people who like cap hate Thor for some reason
Maybe after Thor snaps, he could still grab his two hammers and when he raises them in the air, not only does armor appear on him, but there’d be a big armored cast around his arm.
Loved the idea, only issue I have is that it wouldn't seem nice if Thor could survive the snap with just an arm injury but Iron Man literally dies after he snaps which was a snap that required less energy than Thor's snap would have
Thor happens to be a God/Asgardian. He definitely would have been better off snapping with the gauntlet than Hulk.
Yes, Thor should have snapped and losing his arm wouldn't have mattered because he had a metal arm in the comics and it would look cool in live action.
Yaaaaad
Yas!!!!
I feel like they sabotaged these guys because they are the strongest avengers and are male. They had to dumb them down, I will say tho I liked the part with Thor and his mother. Being a “strong male” myself that recently lost his mother I identified with Thor’s pain. I also loved that scene after Thor cuts off Thanos head. The cinematography, the music was so comic and epic like. Thor wasn’t a favorite character of mine but hemsworth has really made me like the character. The MCU has yet to give hulk his due.
So, so damn true. I said this the second I saw them have Credible Hulk snap and again when they then had fat Thor get whooped by Thanos rather than allowing the Hulk a proper rematch and Thor to redeem himself and snap. Perhaps the single biggest mistake in what is already a mess of a movie.
I always said as well that when Thor should have snapped, he also should have seen Loki in the soul stone for one last reunion.
1) Thor should have been allowed to redeem himself and snap everyone back, undoing the final catalyst for his 5 years of guilt, depression and alcoholism (people say he wasn't in the right mental state but I find that silly as he's a 1500 year old God, it was narratively his moment and giving it to the Credible Hulk instead of Thor was as much of a tailspin away from his actual arc ending - from Infinity War to Endgame - as giving Arya all the involvement in the Night King's death and having none of it to do with Jon Snow).
2) When he's then with Valkryie on the cliff, they should have had Thor smile, Valkryie say 'You've changed, you seem happy, I'm glad after the years took their toll on you' (or something not so wooden but you get my point).
3) Thor says nothing but continues to smile, where it cuts to a memory of Thor post snap in the Soul Stone where he sees Loki - Just as Thanos saw kid Gamora, and the writers confirmed they had filmed Tony seeing his daughter grown up so it doesn't have to be only if they were sacrificed on Vormir - and they silently walk up to each other, hug (like we wanted them to in Ragnarok's ending) and Loki says 'I assured you brother, the sun would shine on us again'.
4) Scene carries on as normal and Thor goes with the Guardians.
You got me at the "credible hulk" part
Actually russos did plan to make thor and hulk stronger than ever in endgame. But disney forced them to include captain marvel while the script was been written , that's y her screentime was less. And the changes made to hulk and thor ended up being "meh"
@@himathegreat2987 Haha glad to hear it man. If you don't mind me asking, is there any proof of this? The Russo's were very, very odd with their comments, saying things like Thor was the most powerful he's ever been in Endgame because of his talk with his mother that brings him back to a good mental place, yet they show him getting absolutely whooped by Thanos and refuse him snapping based on his 'mental health'? So which one is it, is he mentally restored, and if so, why was he so weak against Thanos and unable to snap? Or is he mentally weak, in which case, why did they lie and say that?
If anyone lost an arm doing the snap, all they'd need to do is hit up the guys over in Wakanda.
If thor did the snap he could loose his arm and get an uru arm. Like the comics. Btw love your videos man.
Edit: this was before watching all the vid.
Sjw wokeness at it's finest,underpower the hulk and Thor but level up all the women
not really.
Justin perez that has literally nothing to do with either of them
@Snehil Shrey they didn't underpower the women ,Thor and hulk were always stronger....think before you speak.
@America Chavez no not really,don't get your panties in a bunch,it's just my opinion
@Snehil Shrey Sorry but didn't that plank of wood the one who has no arc or character overpower Thanos who has a gauntlet and your telling me in 8 years they underpowered female characters in MCU. Even there was a all female team up which makes no sense at all. The problem isnt female, its a writing that is shit.
MCU Hulk was such a letdown. Hulk should have had something as meaningful as Captain Marvel did. The trope of his character is ultimately anger - if anything it was justified to let completely loose on Thanos. Such a wasted opportunity for some epicness. Hulk is arguably the biggest character out of all the Avengers but they gave him no spotlight.
I feel like they made thanos fat to nerf him. Because in infinity war he was doing captain marvel shit. Easily overpowered thanos. And destroyed his ships just by flying through them. If he was in shape I think he would've been a game changer for the battle
So Fixing Thanos and Thor huh?
This was written before I watched the video
I got that, Thanos is a whole other matter
@@ThorTalk Yeah, I feel they did him a disservice in the movies. He was good, but compared to the comics, he pales in comparison.
Thor was not that great in Endgame. The best part about Thor in endgame was his quote:
"I went for the head".
@@HeadGodoftheGodCouncil dude thanos in the comics is a pussy the infinity war one was CLEARLY better. the one from the comics may be more powerful but hes trying to impress a girl while the mcu one believes he is going to fix a universe by erasing half of it. way better motives
Warrior Born I used to think IW Thanos was better but you’re right. Thanos is a freaking tyrant in the books. They humanized him too much in the MCU, so much that even a puny human could’ve thought of a better solution to over population.
I don't see no (edited) tag
sweet mahma jamma lower the audio levels at the end. Overall fantastic work.
I didn’t really have much of an issue with the film or the portrayal of the characters, but watching your video made me realize that this would’ve been way better.
Thor doing the Snap, being sidelined, save for maybe a few moments of him one arming Stormbreaker, would’ve been cool. Maybe a small 1v1 with Thanos only to be saved by Captain America similarly would’ve been kinda cool to see.
Maybe also throughout the film, show that Hulk and Banner have an actual dialogue going and that Hulk isn’t completely gone, like he’s more of a child to Banner. He wants to come out, but he will at least listen to Banner. Kind of like a restless kid. When it comes time to fight Thanos, Banner directly addresses him by saying “Hulk...smash” and savage Hulk gets let out for his rematch.
I been saying since endgame came out, that thor should have snapped, he loses an arm in the comics anyways, and the four main avengers should have fought thanos together. Hulk needed to get back at thanos
Great points and video as always Thor Talk!!!!
Endgame was just a massive disappointment for me with what they did to Thor!!!!
It was a awful portrayal of Thor and for me didn’t fit his character. Thor would always be ready to kick ass and never be afraid.
With Mjolnir and Stormbreaker together he should’ve been unstoppable!!!!
Despite the title of Thor 4 I truly hope that Thor is returned to the true God he is and reclaimed his place as the strongest and most powerful avenger!!!!
But u do realize that Thor was into depression RIGHT
Optimus Prime Yeah I did but in my opinion they made him too human. A God is obviously a far superior being and I’m sure with Thor being 1500 years old he’d gone through plenty of hardships and was a toughened up warrior and not a bubbling mess through pretty much the whole film as they made him.
@@andrewcartwright22 whats wrong with him being too human? No body is perfect
Optimus Prime True if your a normal human. But not if your a God. In my opinion.
@Snehil Shrey because thor in the comics is that strong before you say cApTiN mArVeL is that strong to while no she’s not thanos nocked her out with a punch in the comics while thor fought him
Damn right...marvel just wanted to give a spotlight to their pathetic captain marvel and captain America, but doesn't matter though as we all know who marvel and the mcu's biggest characters are, hulk and thor....no matter what they do on screen to prove otherwise..marvel ain't far from becoming DCEU, good story telling, but bad character use..
Captain America and Iron Man created the MCU, the first 3 phases pretty much revolves around them if you look carefully. MCU's biggest characters are not Hulk and Thor, their solo movies are mediocre for MCU's standards.
@@mickeyg7219 who asked U about that?....what I meant was they are the team's heavy heaters...not about films...
@@user-ec7pl4li8d
Character's powers doesn't translated into importance. It's ironic you mentioned DCEU, where Superman is so powerful that he single-handily beat Steppenwolf, making the rest of the Justice League look like a bunch of fools. Captain America and Iron Man's importance persisted even in solo movies of other characters, hell, Stark was dead and he's still relevant in Spider-Man: Far From Home.
@@mickeyg7219 you are way offline...and by the way it wasn't captain America and ironman who started the mcu..it was ironman and Thor...u are wrong two characters can't be more important than others...it is marvel themselves who had a chance to do things right making each and every character important to the mcu...i mean besides the hulk Thor had his own standalone films, but marvel failed to deliver a good Thor movie until recently when they realised their mistakes if they had done that from the beginning things would be different...no matter how hard they tried to make ironman and captain America look important they failed on social media...people wanted to more of Thor and hulk than ironman or captain America isn't that ironic...marvel even tries to make captain marvel of all people the new face of the mcu, still fans wanna know more about Thor and hulk and why they were Poorly portrayed in infinity war and endgame fans don't even give a shit about captain marvel, but rather talk about Thor and hulk...oh and fans are even afraid Thor will be portrayed poorly in Thor love and thunder again...my point is the ones marvel tries to make the best aren't suited to have that role...but those who are suited are deprived from that chance
Mickey g You’re out of your mind? All 3 Thor films made a profit, Thor was out BEFORE Captain America, and both Nick Fury and Colson stated Thor’s appearance changed the game for all time. Thor was instrumental in forming the Mcu.
The more I watch things like this, the more I realize Avengers Endgame really was a terribly executed movie. It made me cry more than any other movie from emotional moments but it failed to do much good for any of it's big characters other than Tony and Steve.
Replace Captain Marvel fighting Thanos with Hulk. He locks hands with the Mad Titan, preventing him from snapping. Thanos beats him with the other hand mercilessly, to the point that Hulk is battered, bloodied and brought to his knees. He won’t let go of Thanos though. Thanos looks at him, and asks him “haven’t you had enough?” We hear A mix of Banner and Hulk talk, “No. You made me angry.” He starts to get up, eyes glowing green, and Thanos starts hitting him but the punches go unfazed. Hulk catches his other hand and they are locked in a standstill. Thanos unable to use the gauntlet, Hulk oozing gamma radiation from his body clenches the Mad titans hands, definitely breaking some bones. Thanos goes for the power stone like his did against Danvers. Hulk catches that hand before he can use it. Energy coming from both the stone and Hulks body surrounds them and builds up like a nuclear blast until it sends them both flying.
Also Thor should have establish democrasy on Asgard instead of just pass along the throne to Valkyryie at the end of movie in my opinion.
GreenArrowHunter Why? Asgard is NOT a democracy. It goes against what Asgard is all about.
@@thundergodd6086How's giving the people the right choose their own ruler is a bad thing.
@greenarrowhunter Because democracy is not necessarily the best way to run things depending on one’s perspective. Other than Jason Aaron destroying Thor’s legacy, Odin was a benevolent and loved ruler in Asgard. There’s no reason for the gods to have a democracy.
I completely agree; 3000% Thank you so freaking much for this video!!! I’m a huge Hulk fan and they totally destroyed his character.
My ideal continuation of Infinity War (my favourite movie from MCU) is:
- Thor goes crazy after what happened and travels the cosmos (with Stormbreaker or some other device) in search for vengeance, turning himself into a shell of his former self: EVIL, hateful and only wanting to fight to KILL;
- also, during this arc, he speaks little, to show how he is becoming something like an animal, as he is seen fighting in some gladiatorial combat and stuff like these;
- Hulk, on the other hand, starts the same way of Endgame, but with some real depression;
- the Avengers go searching for Thor in order to start the mission and they calm him down with talking (Steve stuff) and fighting (Hulk stuff);
- during his mission, Thor speaks with Odin, and it's his wisdom (not the love from his mother) that pushes him in doing the right thing;
- ultimately, Thor go greet Thanos (the past one), fighting him one on one (and doing some real damage) when Hulk snaps;
- in the end, the battle goes as we know;
This wouldn’t work because it was Clint’s arc
For Hulk how I would’ve made it after the snap, Banner runs into Natasha in the soul world and they talk, basically makes peace with her death and she tells him to keep fighting (she could mention the actual Hulk just to show that the Hulk is still part of him) the Hulk inside Banner kinda awakens again cuz it seems like Hulk did have something for Natasha (she had a wake of calming him down like how Betty did in the mcu/comics so that means something imo) but doesn’t come to terms with her death, so now that Banner has been exposed to some gamma from the infinity stones it could’ve triggered the gamma in Hulk to overload and he can come out with a power boost via WorldbreakerHulk and he could come out when needed like let’s say the final battle. I would’ve also liked him fighting Thanos when they were trying to stop him from using the gauntlet for the snap, but instead of Captain Marvel it could’ve been swapped out with WorldbreakerHulk and it would’ve been a rematch between the both of them. It could’ve been WorldbreakerHulk VS PowerStone Thanos, both of them throwing blows just to show how powerful the Hulk is and the strongest one their is. And after the fight Hulk reverts to Professor Hulk having some sort of codependency (Banner&Hulk/one cannot live without the other)
I totally see your point of view but I have to admit I am fine with the direction that Marvel has taken.
It's kind of funny that V Creations has a video out about Bruce Banner and the Hulk which seems to take the opposite view of yours and I also see their view as being legitimate (because these are fictional characters written by mere mortals, lol).
My friend first of all thank you for all the videos, the MCU is dead we got to accept that just like Star Wars is dead
agreed 100%. I honestly don't think it was a coincidence that the two most powerful heroes on the team were reduced to goofy comic relief, while Captain Marvel was made to look almost unstoppable. Sending subtle hints that traditional powerful male heroes characters like Thor and Hulk are something they want to move away from. Thor didn't need to be broken again, he made his big comeback on the battlefield in Wakanda, stripping him down again was pointless and for a film that sold itself on "fan service" not giving them us a rematch with Thanos and Hulk was of the greatest missed chances in all of the MCU.
The point is not for Thor to redeem his failures in previous movies, it's that he finally can accept and live with his failures, despite all the people who have suffered because of them. When he gives up the throne for good, the point is that he learnt that he doesn't have to fix everything for everyone, and should be comfortable being flawed, despite being an uber powerful god who's lived thousands of years as royalty.
I agree with Hulk being fixed.
I disagree with your Thor criticisms though I think his arc was fantastic.
Osian Coleman exactly most people don’t even hate him because of his arc they hate that they mad him fat and barely put up a fight against thanos which is stupid because the Thor in IW would have suffered the same fate
Llorente Clack idk what u are on about the fighting that rlly doesn’t matter I was the decisions he made and what others actions made him realise. It rlly resonated with me especially recently on re watch as I’ve sort of gone through a similar thing. I think it’s a rlly powerful story.
@@llorenteclack9018 no Infinity War Thor would have put up a better fight, as his head was in a better mental state, and he wasn't constantly drunk. Plus he wanted revenge and fought with pure rage
Isaiah DeAngelis but Thor still wanted revenge and was even madder in endgame because he lost more and IW Thor his was was not in the best condition because of the end event of ragnork and the beginning events of IW that happened
Osian Coleman I basically agreed with u😂😂 I threw his fighting in there because people thought since he was fat that lowered his fighting skills and some people didn’t like him getting depressed and fat for his ark just because of what happened at the end of ragnorok
I wish we could just "snap" all the bad decisions the Russos made with Infinity War and especially Endgame to give both Hulk and Thor the satisfying conclusion to their story arcs they deserved and their fans actually wanted.
Thor being Asgardian, he would have had a better chance than Hulk with the gauntlet, imo. And even if it did the same level of damage to his arm, this would just justify thor having a metal arm in future movies, just like the comics. Whats worse is that Hulk is supposed to have one of the craziest healing factors. In a spin off, old Hulk could be digested by giant roaches and heal from that. Banner died and the Hulk lived on. Even worse, the Hulk's half of the fused personality should have had an impact on the decision making to risk giving up fighting. Or hey, maybe that healing factor I mentioned earlier? Ok so the arm wont heal... Hulk should be able to rip off his own arm and regrow a new one. That's literally how powerful his healing was supposed to be. They did these two characters so dirty
Banner survives the snap thanks to the Hulk thats his arc. In avengers 1 Bruce and Tony talk about how the Hulk saved Bruce Banners life by protecting him from the gamma radiation but Bruce is in denial that The Hulk is gift to help humanity and he sees it more as a curse. Thats until Endgame when he realizes that the cure to his problems was to accept the Hulk as a part of him and thats when they merge into one finally being able to control it without being angry and saving the world that once hated him. The Hulk saved humanity by protecting Banners life twice. Hulk hated Banner and Banner hated Hulk but they still protected one another and even though the world wanted to kill them ever since Incredible Hulk they still did the right thing and proved themselves as Avengers both Hulk and Banner. Not just Banner or Hulk separated but together. Banner said it himself he was made to snap his fingers because he was the only one who could survive the gamma radiation. Hulk’s enemy was never meant to be Thanos. Hulk is Banners protector without him realizing it and they can’t coexist without each other once they accepted that they were able to gain Earth’s acceptance and redeemed all the destruction they both caused in Age of Ultron and Avengers 1.
You clearly don't know anything about good character writing
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Having a one arm Thor would’ve been pretty cool actually. Maybe they could’ve been creative in Thor 4 and give him a sort of energy/lightning arm like Ægon from contest of champions. It also would’ve been cool to see a more vengeful version of the angry hulk vs thanos. Would’ve been so badass for hulk to be angry but smarter at the same time kind of like maestro.
Bruce on battlefield" what do you say buddy..ready for round 2?"
Bruce with Hulks rage voice".KILL THANOS!"
A quick flash to smart hulk standing at the grave monoliths looking at Betty Ross name.
Hulk goes into berseker rage mode an attacks Thanos dominating him totally..with flashes between a training sparring match as black widow trains Bruce at compound for 5 years
Any mention of Betty Rose would have been amazing. They did Hulk's whole story a disservice.