To summarize the need for the Advanced F-15; _Radar operators looking for an F-35 is like listening for a rain drop in a calm lake. Throw in an F-15 that isnt hiding and puts out Big Radar Energy and_ *now you're listening for a rain drop in an ocean during a tsunami.* And also you've trippled the available missiles on station with a single tacair jet. The most advanced fighter aircraft in the world short of the F-22 and F-35 (better EW + bigger radar than F-22). The new F-15 has the GE -129 motors, largest AESA radar ever on a tactical platform, and the addition of two underwing pylon stations for as they mention 12 air to air missiles (AIM-120D with 157nm+ WEZ). EPAWSS is electronic warfare suite unmatched. It will compliment the F-35 extremely well.
We all know exactly where the 22 and 35's are. In the hangers. Waiting for the sneaky Balloon Attacks. The Eagle has no need for stealth. Never has at 101 to 0 Kills. Not the opinion of a gamer. .
@@Eagle127 it doesn't take a lot of critical thinking skills to realize that the eagles kills occurred in an environment where it was barely challenged. You're talking about Israeli eagles destroying 3rd generation MiGs, an American f-15s destroying poorly trained Iraqi pilots with only a handful of export MiG-29s without modern radars. There's even quotes from f-18 pilots saying virtually any multirole platform could have did what the F-15 did in the environment it was in. Put an F-16 in the exact same situations, and it would have performed the same. You talk as if the F-22 is only been useful against balloons compared to the F-15 that is battle-hardened but the last large-scale air war was in the 90s before any 5th generation aircraft were in service, and it was nowhere near near peer. Your point is completely worthless and everything you say is nonsense
Is it a benefit of the new FBW? There are clear changes (evolutions) in the maneuver compared to the conventional Eagle, especially in the high AOA post-stall area. It's like a super hornet Although its evolution cannot be seen from the exterior, it seems to be a different aircraft.
Speculation: The advanced fly by wire system of this model, coupled with its aerodynamics that are NOT compromised by any need for shape stealth, makes it a kinematically competitive, if not superior, aircraft to the F-22....or anything else flying worldwide. This may be the world's best dogfighter even within a gun range environment. You can be sure that this demo does not reveal the aircraft's FULL maneuvering capability.
huh no. You're speculation is wrong. First of all, stealth shaping does NOT compromise aerodynamic performance and efficiency. That's a myth. That was true in the days on the F-117 Nighthawk, but since the late 1980s Lockheed, Northrop and all other companies involved in the ATF have figured how to design/develop a jet that doesn't have to sacrifice one for the other. And not only that, they found out that stealth shaping can actually improve aerodynamics on a jet. The F-22 and proposed F-23 designs are proof of that and so is the F-35 (although in the F-35 to a lesser extent, but this was only because the JSF program basically required not only stealth and good aero but also great combat range on a single engine, F-16/Legacy Hornet sized jet). Secondly, no matter how upgraded, no F-15 can reach the flight performance level of the F-22. This newer Advanced Eagle series of F-15s (F-15SA/QA/EX) still obviously don't have relaxed static stability, still have the same circa 1970 aerodynamic design of the original F-15, same wing size and design and without Leading Edge Flaps. They are also much heavier than those old, original F-15A/B/C/D variants of the 1970s/1980s which means Wing Loading is way worse. And although the F110-GE-129 engines help the T/W ratio stay about as high as before on these new Advanced Eagles, this is not something new and it''s not better that what the F100-PW-229 engines on the F-15E Strike Eagle could already deliver more than two decades ago. When it comes to straight line level flight acceleration and rate of climb these new F-15s are pretty much only just as good as the F-15E Strike Eagle. These new F-15s though, have obviously superior maneuverability in some flight regimes/conditions, like the low speed, high AoA regime, over the older Strike Eagle thanks to their modern and advanced fly-by-wire, digital flight control system. But in the case of this specific flight regime for example, this fly-by-wire digital flight control system that was implemented onto these new F-15s only brings up these F-15s to basically the same level of low speed and high AoA performance that we already have been seeing for many years on the updated Legacy Hornets, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and the F-35A/B/C. The Raptor meanwhile, besides also having an advanced fly-by-wire digital flight control system, has relaxed static stability, LEFs, a 20 years more advanced aero layout and design solutions, and also a 2 decade more modern and capable propulsion system that offers the jet an Eagle like T/W ratio but also thrust vectoring. All of this combined gives the Raptor superior flight performance throughout the whole flight envelope in all flight regimes and conditions vs any other jet currently operational in the entire world, from very low/post stall speeds, to high supersonic speeds, and from sea level all the way to 60,000+ ft, which is unheard of. For instance, the Raptor with its typical internal combat weapons loadout of 6 AMRAAMs + 2 Sidewinders is always an animal that can sustain 9Gs at 10,000 ft, has Mach 2+ full AB top speed, Mach 1.7+ MIL power top speed, no AoA limits, and its acceleration, climb rate, and turn rate capability is almost the same as if it was flying without those missiles. Now, put those same 8 missiles on a F-15SA/QA/EX and what you get is a jet that can't sustain 9Gs at 10,000 ft, has Mach 1.8 full AB top speed, can't go supersonic in MIL power, restricted AoA ability, and its acceleration, climb rate and turn rate capabilites are significantly deteriorated compared to jet when clean (due to the all the additional drag of the missiles and their pylons) and even worse compared to the Raptor. The F-22 is in a league of it's own kinematically.
@@deltasierracharlie Except it won't be. The F-22 and any other 5th doesn't want to be anywhere near mach in a near peer conflict due to the thermal signature associated with transonic and above. Especially with these modern and long range AAM, launch platform kinematics really don't mean anything. The real benefit of the Raptors high super cruise is the ability to rapidly reposition assets.
@@deltasierracharlie All that from someone that has how much actual on hand fighter time ? All hypothesis. Neither the 22 or 35 actually perform within their design parameters. They have a non existent combat kill ratio. Get back to us if either of these aircraft ever hit 1/10th of 101/0 kill ratio. Never happen.
The size of the f15 limits the dog fighting capabilities the viper will out rate anything on the deck even the f15 yes the f15 is super fast and has great thrust to weight but it’s strong suit is bvr
@counterair173 The F-15C may bleed more energy that the F-16 at low altitude because of its large wings, but the increased thrust on the EX may solve the problem. Also it is not limited to 9Gs.
Wanna be a team player here but...fuel/weaps are low weight too nill. Do love vectoring w/out ?. Don't get rid of badass, lower cost a/c like the A10/15's. Some are tip oh the spear...others are the blunt instrument of the sword. Bradleys w/out Abrahams. M's replaced with AR's...work they do but....? No Subs, just land--mass CVN's w/out the DD, CR...FRIGS?...REALLY???!!!!
@@icefire001apparently you've never been to an air show. That is an Air Force team member announcing to the audience of the planes next maneuver, as for the music that's also part of the show. I am a retired Air Force F-15C and F-15E Jet Engine mechanic / crew chief and loved working on that airframe.
It's great to see an f-15 demo again!
To summarize the need for the Advanced F-15; _Radar operators looking for an F-35 is like listening for a rain drop in a calm lake. Throw in an F-15 that isnt hiding and puts out Big Radar Energy and_ *now you're listening for a rain drop in an ocean during a tsunami.* And also you've trippled the available missiles on station with a single tacair jet.
The most advanced fighter aircraft in the world short of the F-22 and F-35 (better EW + bigger radar than F-22). The new F-15 has the GE -129 motors, largest AESA radar ever on a tactical platform, and the addition of two underwing pylon stations for as they mention 12 air to air missiles (AIM-120D with 157nm+ WEZ). EPAWSS is electronic warfare suite unmatched. It will compliment the F-35 extremely well.
True. Also Boeing needed some contract money following the 737 Max crashes.
Thank goodness the Qatari's funded the Eagle upgrades years ago!
We all know exactly where the 22 and 35's are. In the hangers. Waiting for the sneaky Balloon Attacks. The Eagle has no need for stealth. Never has at 101 to 0 Kills. Not the opinion of a gamer. .
@@Eagle127 it doesn't take a lot of critical thinking skills to realize that the eagles kills occurred in an environment where it was barely challenged. You're talking about Israeli eagles destroying 3rd generation MiGs, an American f-15s destroying poorly trained Iraqi pilots with only a handful of export MiG-29s without modern radars. There's even quotes from f-18 pilots saying virtually any multirole platform could have did what the F-15 did in the environment it was in. Put an F-16 in the exact same situations, and it would have performed the same. You talk as if the F-22 is only been useful against balloons compared to the F-15 that is battle-hardened but the last large-scale air war was in the 90s before any 5th generation aircraft were in service, and it was nowhere near near peer. Your point is completely worthless and everything you say is nonsense
@@Eagle127 F-22's and F-35's had their first combat sorties over territory that F-15's could not operate in alone. Next...
We were there that howl it let off was sweet!
Great video. The F15 is such a awesome aircraft even after all the years it's been in service.
That howl sounds wicked!
Saw this bad boy yesterday . Never seen an eagle do all that before
I've HAD AN UNDYING FIERY PASSION
FOR HER!!!....
SINCE i WAS 15.
IT HAS BEEN 36 YEARS.
My BABY!!!.
♠️THE VANITY ADDICT♠️
The howl of these new F-15s are awesome!!
I was there. It's howl was amazing
Alpha of the Rhino, thrust to weight of the block 50 Viper....I think St. Louis just hit the magic mix💪
Nice video! I was there too! One of the coolest airshows I've been to
Nice F-15
This is super hot!!! Also, that HOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😍😍
Is it a benefit of the new FBW?
There are clear changes (evolutions) in the maneuver compared to the conventional Eagle, especially in the high AOA post-stall area. It's like a super hornet
Although its evolution cannot be seen from the exterior, it seems to be a different aircraft.
Beautiful!!!
Impressive demo !👍🤟
The GREAT F-15 Eagle 🦅🇺🇸
Wow
...and no leading edge devices ! Impressive !
Speculation: The advanced fly by wire system of this model, coupled with its aerodynamics that are NOT compromised by any need for shape stealth, makes it a kinematically competitive, if not superior, aircraft to the F-22....or anything else flying worldwide. This may be the world's best dogfighter even within a gun range environment. You can be sure that this demo does not reveal the aircraft's FULL maneuvering capability.
huh no. You're speculation is wrong.
First of all, stealth shaping does NOT compromise aerodynamic performance and efficiency. That's a myth. That was true in the days on the F-117 Nighthawk, but since the late 1980s Lockheed, Northrop and all other companies involved in the ATF have figured how to design/develop a jet that doesn't have to sacrifice one for the other. And not only that, they found out that stealth shaping can actually improve aerodynamics on a jet.
The F-22 and proposed F-23 designs are proof of that and so is the F-35 (although in the F-35 to a lesser extent, but this was only because the JSF program basically required not only stealth and good aero but also great combat range on a single engine, F-16/Legacy Hornet sized jet).
Secondly, no matter how upgraded, no F-15 can reach the flight performance level of the F-22.
This newer Advanced Eagle series of F-15s (F-15SA/QA/EX) still obviously don't have relaxed static stability, still have the same circa 1970 aerodynamic design of the original F-15, same wing size and design and without Leading Edge Flaps. They are also much heavier than those old, original F-15A/B/C/D variants of the 1970s/1980s which means Wing Loading is way worse. And although the F110-GE-129 engines help the T/W ratio stay about as high as before on these new Advanced Eagles, this is not something new and it''s not better that what the F100-PW-229 engines on the F-15E Strike Eagle could already deliver more than two decades ago. When it comes to straight line level flight acceleration and rate of climb these new F-15s are pretty much only just as good as the F-15E Strike Eagle.
These new F-15s though, have obviously superior maneuverability in some flight regimes/conditions, like the low speed, high AoA regime, over the older Strike Eagle thanks to their modern and advanced fly-by-wire, digital flight control system.
But in the case of this specific flight regime for example, this fly-by-wire digital flight control system that was implemented onto these new F-15s only brings up these F-15s to basically the same level of low speed and high AoA performance that we already have been seeing for many years on the updated Legacy Hornets, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and the F-35A/B/C.
The Raptor meanwhile, besides also having an advanced fly-by-wire digital flight control system, has relaxed static stability, LEFs, a 20 years more advanced aero layout and design solutions, and also a 2 decade more modern and capable propulsion system that offers the jet an Eagle like T/W ratio but also thrust vectoring.
All of this combined gives the Raptor superior flight performance throughout the whole flight envelope in all flight regimes and conditions vs any other jet currently operational in the entire world, from very low/post stall speeds, to high supersonic speeds, and from sea level all the way to 60,000+ ft, which is unheard of.
For instance, the Raptor with its typical internal combat weapons loadout of 6 AMRAAMs + 2 Sidewinders is always an animal that can sustain 9Gs at 10,000 ft, has Mach 2+ full AB top speed, Mach 1.7+ MIL power top speed, no AoA limits, and its acceleration, climb rate, and turn rate capability is almost the same as if it was flying without those missiles.
Now, put those same 8 missiles on a F-15SA/QA/EX and what you get is a jet that can't sustain 9Gs at 10,000 ft, has Mach 1.8 full AB top speed, can't go supersonic in MIL power, restricted AoA ability, and its acceleration, climb rate and turn rate capabilites are significantly deteriorated compared to jet when clean (due to the all the additional drag of the missiles and their pylons) and even worse compared to the Raptor.
The F-22 is in a league of it's own kinematically.
@@deltasierracharlie Except it won't be. The F-22 and any other 5th doesn't want to be anywhere near mach in a near peer conflict due to the thermal signature associated with transonic and above. Especially with these modern and long range AAM, launch platform kinematics really don't mean anything. The real benefit of the Raptors high super cruise is the ability to rapidly reposition assets.
@@deltasierracharlie No he is dead on.
@@deltasierracharlie All that from someone that has how much actual on hand fighter time ? All hypothesis. Neither the 22 or 35 actually perform within their design parameters. They have a non existent combat kill ratio. Get back to us if either of these aircraft ever hit 1/10th of 101/0 kill ratio. Never happen.
Would you mind sharing what camera you use?
Sony AX53
@@UkrainianSpotter Thank you.
Will you be at Air Venture this year?
Flys like a Super Hornet on mega doses of steroids
Is this the EX or C?
It is the EX equivalent QA, both Advanced versions of F-15.
EX
It is NOT an EX. It is a QA...Qatari Air Force jet.
It's said that the F-16 is a bit better than the F-15C as a dogfighter, but with the EX's more powerful engines and the FBW it might be the reverse.
The size of the f15 limits the dog fighting capabilities the viper will out rate anything on the deck even the f15 yes the f15 is super fast and has great thrust to weight but it’s strong suit is bvr
@@thatboydre7585 Not sure but the EX, with its large wings and increased thrust might be a better dogfighter at altitude.
@counterair173 The F-15C may bleed more energy that the F-16 at low altitude because of its large wings, but the increased thrust on the EX may solve the problem. Also it is not limited to 9Gs.
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1:53 Looks Like That Cobra...!!
Sugeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Wanna be a team player here but...fuel/weaps are low weight too nill. Do love vectoring w/out ?. Don't get rid of badass, lower cost a/c like the A10/15's. Some are tip oh the spear...others are the blunt instrument of the sword. Bradleys w/out Abrahams. M's replaced with AR's...work they do but....? No Subs, just land--mass CVN's w/out the DD, CR...FRIGS?...REALLY???!!!!
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Qre. Need government amounts
The ANNOYING announcer and unnecessary music grrrrr....
And there is the over the top commentary and music spoiling it. Turned off straight away.
Called an airshow bud.. music and commentary is how it is.
@@icefire001apparently you've never been to an air show. That is an Air Force team member announcing to the audience of the planes next maneuver, as for the music that's also part of the show. I am a retired Air Force F-15C and F-15E Jet Engine mechanic / crew chief and loved working on that airframe.
@samsamaniego3251 wrong person you're griping at, you want that guy, up there.
@@icefire001 My bad.