You sir are an absolute Chad and legend amongst men. This tutorial was just what I needed to get my setup working in Star Citizen. I have literally built not only a gyro copter but other ultralight vehicles IRL and found that to be easier than staring at vjoy and gremlin on my screen before watching this video. Thank you so much.
I must say, this tutorial on how to set up Joystick Gremlin was truly delightful. The level of detail and the clear and concise manner in which the instructions were presented made the process seem like a walk in the park. The visual aids were a cherry on top, making the procedure not only simple but also aesthetically pleasing. I am in awe of the effort that must have gone into creating this masterpiece of a video, and I am deeply grateful for the knowledge imparted. Thank you for sharing such valuable information!
Bought a Logitech Extreme 3d Pro Joystick at a thrift shop but its basically new, installed drivers, checked for errors, all good. Your tutorials have helped me program the joystick for: 1- streaming as macropad 2- aerogpx and racing games 3- navigating 3d environment when working on blender and CAD Thank You so MUUUch
You're a hero. Now I can play Il-2 1946 at last. I could use this method as HidHide now allows you to check a checkbox which allows you to invert the logic that hides the devices, meaning I input the 1946 executable which hides it from 1946 and allows all other programs to see the devices.
Since a long time I hesitate to do this because naturally it's almost working. I think this quality tutorial might be what I need to jump in :) Thanks, really clear and great job !
I have been trying to figure out how to configure joystick curves for a couple of days and this video was the one that finally got me there. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video, it really helped me to set up a Thrustmaster T16000 Joystick and Throttle to play Star Wars Legends in 2023. One small thing, at least for SWG, you don't need the Hidhide. On Windows 11 you can just search for “game controller” and select “advanced”. Check the vjoy as the preferred device, same on the game preferences. Also configuring buttons to do macros, or typing something on the keyboard/mouse only works on the Windows (e.g. notepad) itself. On the game, it's not working, most probably because of incompatibilities in the game (SWG Legends).
What a great tutorial, after fiddling w/ joystick gremlin recently and not getting all devices to work, you provided the solution I was looking for. And using another piece of software to hide the devices from the game is brilliant, this way they don't interfere. 👍👍👍
Thank you for this video, I keep coming back to it as a reference when configuring my devices. This saved me when the horrible Thrustmaster software refused to work!
@@RedLir_Live I now own Dual Virpil Alpha sticks, I saw you have the same in the video. Mine have the Sim Cams. Can you recommend any Dead Zone & Curves that work good with this setup?
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I could finally get rid of Thrustmaster TARGET, which i couldn't make work for T16k Duo, and make them properly work as one so I can play Outer Wilds, Everspace with a duo setup. Thanks a lot man!!
Oh man, you are a God send... Thank you... THANK YOU!!! So much! Finally, I can use my simpit! I've been struggling for years (yes, years!) trying to make my set up work and now, it does!
Ok, I have had this for a very long time. Now this is the first time I find a video for it (via XWAU)! So now I can have more controls in say Elite Dangerous, this is very very good imo, since many buttons are for the keyboard.. However, mine never asks to restart the computer. Never did that even before. I wanted to use it back then to control ships in ED (PS4 version), but it never worked good with CrossMaxPlus - latency issues. So I got ED for PC aswell. But at that point I was already tripple elite. Now I want to play XwinAlliance, but with both throttle and stick, and thanks to this - it is now possible!!
My god thank you I was so frustrated because I wanted to play Freespace 2 open but it only allows up to 6 axis total and only works with 1 stick or throttle total I tried everything for 2 days now and this saved me.
WEEOO! Great tutorial! i've been usting Vjoy & Joystick gremlin for a while now and found it quite simple to use. Would love to see a more advanced video explaining how to add shift key to asign a diffrent mapping when another button is pressed or mode changer!
Good morning.Thank you very much and congratulations.I was able to install all apps on Windows 11 without any problems. The strange thing is that Vjoy didn't ask to restart the computer and created the virtual joystick without any problems. Tried to use Joystick Gremlin in Squad game. Tried for hours, everything was correct. The virtual joystick HidHide hid the physical joystick and Gremlin configured it but the game was able to see the physical one.
Thank you! Why didn't I find this video years ago... I've owned a full Virpil suite of controllers for about 2 years and tried setting it all up with Joystick Gremlin at the time of purchase, but failed miserably. This just made the whole project entirely approachable.
Thanks for this! I decided to finally set this all up. Been thinking about it since getting some pedals and noticing issues with toe breaks for forward/back strafing fighting each other but the final push was trying to use Teal's Joystick Visualizer and realizing I didn't want two separate axis being shown. I got everything setup and activated. Looks good in joystick gremlin and same in Windows Game Controller Properties. Only to see in Teal's Joystick Visualizer that it doesn't see input on any of the axis. Buttons showing up fine. Figured shutting down the pc and making sure Gremlin was launched before chrome would help but no dice. Will keep working on it but at least I don't have to worry about sorting devices in Star Citizen anymore.
This is the best tutorial I have seen on Joystick Gremlin. One question though, can you configure HIDHide to allow certain games to see the physical joysticks and not others? My use case is that I need to use JG on IL-2, but not on DCS.
Really like your video to be helpful and at the same time wonder the means and ends humans can reach to get what feels right, thankyou for your and everyone involved in these programs intuitiveness.
Awesome video. Stumbled on to your channel to solve a typical Star Citizen problem you are well aware of lol. 2 sticks and a throttle please .. Well I know what I'm going to be doing for a while . Thanks again see ya in the verse . o7
Really useful video. Many thanks. Unfortunately, no success getting Snowrunner to see the virtual device that is the combination of my Moza wheel base and USB pedals. The struggle continues!
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Turtle Beach flight hangar was too obnoxious to get whitelisted inside of HidHIde--because it's a Microsoft Store app and I don't want to modify the permissions on my Program Files\Windows Apps directory--so I used the Inverse Cloak in HidHide (instead of whitelisting specific apps, apps have access by default, then I specifically excluded Squad from using everything) Using vJoy as described here with Universal Control Mapper has worked for me so far in testing--believe that's the newer version of Joystick Gremlin. Also going to use Track IR with Squad via FreePIE as described on some Reddit post.
Dammit, you was my top useless streamer and youtuber I'd go to for mindless dumb content and now you're actually making high quality informational content. 🤣🤣🤣
hey brother, first i want to think you for your clear and helpful video, its been the best resource yet. I am trying to set up twin sticks for mechwarriors 5, but i cant seem to get the game to recognize the vjoy device as input. Any idea as to why? and side note, what is the difference between absolute and relative axis?
Is there a particular reason that you bound the x and y axis to the rotation axis? Was that just as an example or does it have to do with having limited axis when only using one virtual joystick? In any case, thanks for this tutorial. I would be floundering trying to figure this all out on my own
Its a shame I need to install 2 3rd party programs spend an hour or more configuring joy sticks and rudders + the time spent trying to find a solution in a game that that has 1/2 billion in funding and 10 years in development but somehow can't handle what every other flight/ space sim can and has been able to do for years and years. /rant off Good video explained very well
Great tutorial. Must be somethig up with mine, after multiple attempts and 30+ restarts I cannot get Gremlin to launch =( Update: Finally fixed it. Joystick Gremlin did not like the trademark symbol in the device name of my pedals, had to rename in registry.
Thank you so much for this guide. I was having problems getting Elite Dangerous to work with my Worthog Hotas and MFG pedals. Just one extra thing. Can you please let me know where you got the Star Wars Wallpaper from. It's stunning.
Great tutorial! I recently started playing Star Citizen. I have the T1600 Thrust Master, G29 Wheel, Pedals, Shifter and the Saitek Side Panel (also known as Logitech Heavy Equipment Side Panel). Yes, I came from playing Farming Simulator. All my equipment except the side panel worked directly with SC. Was really surprised the G29 equipment worked. Love using the shifter for thrust control, works really great without ever needing to use the cruise control. Anyway, I followed your tutorial and only setup the Side Panel with Gremlin. The rest of the equipment I didn't include since it already worked fine with SC. Gremlin works perfect for getting the side panel to work with SC. I am able to now use all the equipment together with no issues. One question: is there anyway to invert the access inputs inside of Gremlin? I use the side panel joystick for strafing thrust (up, down, left, right, forward and back) Works really well except two of the axis work in the opposite direction I want them to work (Y and Z).
I had the issue where when I came to setting up the vjoy application the ‘add device’ was greyed out i could only change the settings u provided later and apply them but when I later wanted to launch gremlin I got the error message vjoy was not setup properly(followed your instructions to the letter)…after some long headaches what fixed it was launch vjoy click on device tab 2 on top > add device > click back on device tab 1 >delete device > then finally add device with your settings (also delete device tab 2 afterwards) and everything worked flawlessly after . Hope I’m the only case if not maybe it might be useful for someone else 😅
Great video, however I have a couple of questions. With two sticks (or a HOTAS) do I end up with two separate profiles, or is the profile I save in Joystick Gremlin a single one of the combined sticks? Also since Im hiding stuff in HID HIde do I need to assign every single button that I want the game to see? I tried adding curves to axes, then loaded Elite Dangerous and it didnt recognise my Jostick at all in the Keybinds dropdown list in ship controls. And it didnt mention Vjoy either sp nothing worked
It's one profile. You're essentially combining multiple physical sticks into 1 or more VJOY sticks. Yes, unless you're using keyboard/mouse bindings. If you want to map to classic DX buttons you need to assign them. It's been some time since I've played ED but this was the setup I used back then as well. I would make sure that you didn't also hide the vjoy devices in HidHide instead of just your physical joysticks. Unless there is some new issue with ED and Vjoy I'm not aware of!
@@RedLir_Live Thank you so much for getting back to me. Im pretty new at this. May I ask, does Joystick Gremlin need to be running all the time Im running Elite? If I just want to apply curves to the stick, once its reprogrammed by JGremlin, can I forget about it and use the stick as normal? That was all I wanted to do, as I can assign keys in Elite. Thanks again for your time and this info will help me immensely.
I seem to be doing something wrong. My cyclic control assigns pitch to a particular vJoy axis, and at the same time, my pedals also assigns anti-torque to the same vJoy axis. How do I resolve that? I've also tried/failed using 1:1 mapping.
Hi! I have created 4 vjoy devices and assigned them to my controllers in this order: 1. VPC Constellation ALPHA Right; 2. VPC Panel #2; 3. VPC Rudder ACE; 4. VPC M50CM3 Throttle. I've checked and crosschecked, and they're bound in this order, and yet Star Citizen sees my rudder as joystick 2 and my Panel #2 as joystick 3. When I bound these keybinds to Star Citizen, it recognized the panel #2 as joy 2, but 2 days later (today), it has swapped 2 for 3. When I'm assigning my devices to SC, It comes in this order: vjoy1; vjoy3; vjoy2; vjoy4. I assigned them first in a 1, 2, 3, 4 order, no joy. Then I assigned them exactly as listed: 1, 3, 2, 4, still no joy. I've even disconnected the devices and plugged them in in said order, still no joy. What am I missing? Thanks a lot.
You're describing the reason (bug) that led a lot of us to use JG, but you're basically just replacing the physical swapping with virtual. Try removing 2 vjoy devices from the setup (delete them and reboot) and only map your 4 devices to 2 virtual. There should be plenty of axis an buttons to go around.
Wanted to Play GTA5 VR with Gamepad, Hotas and Logitech G29 Wheel + Pedals. Only good fucking video in the whole Internet. Thank you so much.( Btw its now possible to add 128 buttons to virtual joystick)
Great to hear. Some games can only see so many dx buttons. I think with Elite Dangerous for example their limit is 32 (or at least was at one time) You can set the amount as you see fit but each vjoy you configure needs a unique amount so it's seen as a different device. Cheers!
Liked, bookmarked for later use. Might give joystick gremlin a try when i decide to jump back into SC in 2029. Have any joystick you would like to sell? - Your Quebec friend. Cheer!!!
Great video. But what I would like to do is to activate a button with a double tap and keep it active while I'm holding it (like tapping twice and holding a button to activate it and keep it active). Do you know how to do this? Thank you very much
Great video. My mapping needs are very simple. I'm flying helicopters and just need pedals, one device for the collective, and a 3rd for cyclic (pitch and roll). In the video the physical X axis was bound to a virtual X rotation, same for Physical Y axis. I suppose the reason it hasn't worked for me is because I bound the Physical X axis, with the virtual X axis (as opposed to X Rotation). Could that be the source of my issue?
Thank you for the very concise and informative video. I've been using JG but suddenly in last few days it no longer "see" my X52 Pro. Any advice very much appreciated?
How can I create one vjoy device with more then 8 axes? I find I use 11 in star citizen between my two alphas and a rudder pedal. I've seen people using two vjoy devices, but I don't understand why I would do this as opposed to just keep using my non virtual joysticks
Nice video. Is there a specific example of why someone would want to use hidhide? With my game, I select the game controller that I want to use from the list given.
I come from a Star Citizen background that has issues and bugs with multiple controllers and randomly swapping them etc. This guide was born from that need and community. The other reason is if you configure VJOY buttons and axis, the game will detect both the physical and virtual when you go to bind something and may not bind to the one you want. If you don't want to use hidhide specifically for your game, you can use the 'input repeater' option in Gremlin which will keep sending the virtual binding when you press it so the game picks that up instead of the physical after the initial click or axis movement. Turn off the input repeater when you're done setting your bindings.
is hid hide absolutely necessary? cuz when i go to add gremlin i cant find the exe file, but when opening folders normally i can.. but i cant drag it to the hide opened folders. Edit: nevermind, after restarting hidhide a few times it eventually worked
You go through this really well. Does joystick gremlin emulate controllers when needed, or is that not needed since the virtual joystick gets seen by Steam and you have to map it there all over again? I've been using x360ce and UCR for emulating controllers for games that don't see the joystick, like no man's sky, or when Steam can't see the joystick either like with the Thrustmaster t.16000M. The bonus with x360ce is that it can pass vibration back through to my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2, which is epic but slowly failing.
Hey man nice tutorial. I have a lot of devices in my sim racing rig and could have a use for merging into a vjoy. Big question: Is there a way to get a physical button press &/or hold mapped to a vjoy button as a press and release, and then register the release of The physical button as yet another press and release in vjoy? I have a turn signal lever that holds the button pressed when activated, but the game wants the button to be pressed once to activate and once more to deactivate
Yes there is. There may be multiple ways to do it, but you can do it this way - Add two macros to the same button that do the same thing ( press and release the desired virtual button etc) - On the first macro - > Condition Tab - > Apply Conditions to Action -> Add Action Condition -> Activate When This Virtual Button is Pressed - On the Second macro - > Condition Tab - > Apply Conditions to Action -> Add Action Condition -> Activate When This Virtual Button is Released - Save / Start the profile Now when you press the physical button it should trigger the vjoy button you have in the macro ( or anything else in the macro) and when you release the physical button it will run the other macro with the vjoy press/release sequence.
Whenever I start joystick gremlin I get an Uncaught Exception dialogue box, with a list of errors in different numbered lines, does anyone have any ideas why? Thanks v. much in advance for any responses.
@redLir_Live quick question. will possible to use one set of joysticks for two PCs using a switch and joystick gremlin? the goal will be to have two active Starcitizen accounts and use only one set of joysticks. with switch, i can jump between accounts using the same joysticks will this be possible with gremlin?
Thanks so much for this! I've got all of my axis working but am struggling with the buttons. I mapped F12 to re-center Track IR to a button on my HOTAS, but it only works when the Joystick Gremlin window is selected. Any suggestions? (BTW, I tried other keys with the same result and when I press F12 on the keyboard, it re-centers just fine. Also, the input viewer shows that the button is being pressed.) If using Hidhide, how come I don't have to remap the buttons pressed to vJoy (or do I and I missed something)? I just mapped them to the actual controller (VPC HOTAS and throttle).
So a couple of things. Hidhide doesn't hide the Gremlin virtual keyboard but it will hide physical joystick buttons. So if you wanted to use a DX Joystick button in a game, you have to remap it to a Vjoy DX button. Otherwise you can just map to keyboard shortcuts ( depending on the game) Your Track IR recenter issue. There are two possibilities that I've hit doing the same thing at times. 1) One of the programs is running as administrator, and the other is not. Make sure TrackIR, Joystick Gremlin and any game are all running in the same mode ( either admin or not admin) 2) The TrackIR software has a 'trap' option that you may have to uncheck for F12 recenter, but this is usually only if you want to pass things to TrackIR and the Game, so it's probably #1
@@RedLir_Live Thanks for the info on the virtual keyboard, that makes sense. I'm just getting into flight sims and am starting with MSFS. Everything else is working except Track IR. It's so strange. I checked to make sure both programs were not running as administrator (and they weren't). And like I said before, if the Gremlin window is in focus and Track IR is in the window behind it, pressing the HOTAS button I mapped to the the re-center button works to re-center it. But if I minimize Joystick Gremlin and only have the Track IR window open, the HOTAS button won't re-center it, but if I press F12 on the keyboard, it does re-center.
After a little more searching, I've fixed it. A couple of years ago, I installed a xbox 360 controller. For some reason, the driver interferes with JG. I couldn't delete the driver (must be baked into Windows), but I disabled it and now it works. Thanks for the good work and I look forward to your future videos.
Very interesting. I have the windows xbox controller and maybe not totally related, if I use wireless and the controller goes to sleep, JG turns off the profile, so I have to basically use it wired. Crashed a ship recently finding that out the hard way! Glad you solved it!
I need some help. I'm using a dual virpal constellation with pedals setup and I'm trying something different. World of Warcraft. So far I've got basic camera command and action bar mapping figured out. I'm trying to put movement controls WASD on the left thumbstick but I can't figure it out I can get forward to work but I can't figure out how to get backwards and left and right. I could bind them to a hat I suppose and solve it that way but it seems like the stick is the better option.
welp, after doing this for setting bindings from keyboard, everything was working fine, but now star citizen cant see my stick and now my joystickgremlin doesnt see any inputs either after i tried to disable everything i did to get it to work on SC
this is specifically if the game already has axis but how do you map the axis to a key stroke i was able to map the key and apply a condition but the scale is too little and nothing explains simply how i can change either the scale or map the corresponding keys to the axis
I am just getting into Star Citizen and consuming related content on youtube. I am excited about the prospects of buying a budget stick setup after watching your other videos, but this one confuses me. I get wanting to bind keyboard buttons and mouse clicks to your stick, but I dont see the purpose of hiding the physical device from the game, or combining multiple physical devices to one virtual one. what benefits does this setup gives over directly using your sticks?
It works around many bugs Star Citizen has when you start adding more than 2 devices. Devices will get swapped around a lot requiring playing with the pp_resortdevices console command mini game every time you launch. I've also seen controller 3 and 4 be missing options etc. "Someday" they'll fix it, but hiding sticks and limiting what SC "sees" is a current workaround for a lot of people.
@@RedLir_Live Thank you for the response! I am very VERY far away from more than two devices, but I am excited for the journey. I am currently finding and watching many content creators to get familiar with the game, and waiting for the 3.18 update to drop. Hoping a free fly will happen, but most likely will just buy the game if it doesnt. Also one of my friends has a Thustmaster 16k and throttle I can borrow to get started with! If it is something that I enjoy long term I think I will get a pair of VKB evo and then save towards those incredible Virpil Alphas along with a control panel. I have no interest in flight sims so I am not sure how much value a throttle would have to me, rather just dual stick and lots of buttons.
What about making a game see one joystick as multiple devices? I've run into weirdness involving IL-2 only seeing 32 buttons and since I hsve way more on my stick (vkbnxt with 2 modules) the control cannot be used IL2 actually sees a button as a hat input for some reason.. at anyrate the suggestion involves making it appear as 2 devices but I've not discovered a way to do that .
Set it up with 2 or more vjoy devices. Remap some of the physical buttons to vjoy1 buttons and some to vjoy2 buttons etc then map the vjoy buttons in game
I am trying to understand but struggling. I can see where JG would be great for programs that have limited button inputs. But, for programs like MSFS and DCS that can map directly every button and axis with curve control for axis, I'm not seeing the benefits. Can you briefly tell me why I might want to use JG for these programs?
I have not played either of those games so probably not. Most people who find Gremlin are trying to solve a problem. For me and a lot of others who know me, it's Star Citizen and working around many bugs. I will say JG is more than just mapping buttons though, there are many advanced features and button types/macros/submodes that can be achieved, so folks tend to consolidate things into one program instead of doing it all in the joystick software that may be from different vendors and may not support the feature they want to achieve.
@@RedLir_Live I have heard several people on discord say they love it with DCS because they don't have to reload the joystick configurations for all X number of aircraft if they have to reload DCS. Apparently sometimes, I am not privy to this, DCS changes bindings within the game. They say by using JG and binding keys to keyboard key presses, they can resolve a lot of these management issues. Still not sure what they mean by that. But there must be something to it or they wouldn't do it. I just haven't figured out exactly what they are doing yet. Thank=you for your response.
Sharka Control panel: I am able to map keyboard commands to my alpha sticks, but not the Sharka Control panel?? Example - landing gear (N - landing mode) works only on joysticks. Doesnt when bound to a button on the panel? I'm guessing Gremlin and Vjoy to save the day?
It should work fine on the momentary switches. The toggle switches can work but you may get interesting results by default since the signal is always on
@@RedLir_Live That explains why my 3 way switches work, provided their is BOTH toggle on/off function/command in Star Citizen. Toggle-on alone required me to flip the switch up & down, if it worked at all. All buttons on that bottom row (sharka panel) are beyond the windows 32 button limit.
You sir are an absolute Chad and legend amongst men. This tutorial was just what I needed to get my setup working in Star Citizen. I have literally built not only a gyro copter but other ultralight vehicles IRL and found that to be easier than staring at vjoy and gremlin on my screen before watching this video.
Thank you so much.
I must say, this tutorial on how to set up Joystick Gremlin was truly delightful. The level of detail and the clear and concise manner in which the instructions were presented made the process seem like a walk in the park. The visual aids were a cherry on top, making the procedure not only simple but also aesthetically pleasing. I am in awe of the effort that must have gone into creating this masterpiece of a video, and I am deeply grateful for the knowledge imparted. Thank you for sharing such valuable information!
Thanks, Torin. I'm glad it was helpful!
@@RedLir_Live is it possible to use 2nd mice besides main mouse as virtual controller & keep main mouse as it is?
Bought a Logitech Extreme 3d Pro Joystick at a thrift shop but its basically new, installed drivers, checked for errors, all good.
Your tutorials have helped me program the joystick for:
1- streaming as macropad
2- aerogpx and racing games
3- navigating 3d environment when working on blender and CAD
Thank You so MUUUch
You're a hero. Now I can play Il-2 1946 at last. I could use this method as HidHide now allows you to check a checkbox which allows you to invert the logic that hides the devices, meaning I input the 1946 executable which hides it from 1946 and allows all other programs to see the devices.
Since a long time I hesitate to do this because naturally it's almost working. I think this quality tutorial might be what I need to jump in :) Thanks, really clear and great job !
Glad it was helpful!
I've currently got my Velocity One Flight Yoke to work on Star Citizen following this tutorial. You sir have earned my subscribe!
Awesome!
I have been trying to figure out how to configure joystick curves for a couple of days and this video was the one that finally got me there. Thank you!
Great to hear!
Thank you so much for this video, it really helped me to set up a Thrustmaster T16000 Joystick and Throttle to play Star Wars Legends in 2023. One small thing, at least for SWG, you don't need the Hidhide. On Windows 11 you can just search for “game controller” and select “advanced”. Check the vjoy as the preferred device, same on the game preferences. Also configuring buttons to do macros, or typing something on the keyboard/mouse only works on the Windows (e.g. notepad) itself. On the game, it's not working, most probably because of incompatibilities in the game (SWG Legends).
What a great tutorial, after fiddling w/ joystick gremlin recently and not getting all devices to work, you provided the solution I was looking for. And using another piece of software to hide the devices from the game is brilliant, this way they don't interfere. 👍👍👍
Thank you! Glad it helped!
Perfect introduction to Joystick configuration… and thanks for the trick with hidhide, i struggle hard with input repeater before I found your video !
Glad it was helpful!
Very nice tutorial! I wish there was an extra 30 seconds on merging toe pedals to use them as forward/back. I'm sure I can figure it out eventually.
The next installment is on merging axis and that is the first example (since it's one I use as well!) SOONtm
YOU ARE DOING THE LORD'S WORK CMDR! May the force be with you.
Thank you!
Thanks for making this video, I have referenced it a dozen times over the last couple years!!
After looking over several guide, this is the one that made it all work. Thank you for this.
Thank you for this video, I keep coming back to it as a reference when configuring my devices. This saved me when the horrible Thrustmaster software refused to work!
Glad it helped!
@@RedLir_Live I now own Dual Virpil Alpha sticks, I saw you have the same in the video. Mine have the Sim Cams. Can you recommend any Dead Zone & Curves that work good with this setup?
I could finally get rid of Thrustmaster TARGET, which i couldn't make work for T16k Duo, and make them properly work as one so I can play Outer Wilds, Everspace with a duo setup.
Thanks a lot man!!
Bruva,ive been fighting with this S__t for around 5 yrs now. Your Tutorial was 'sent from the Heavens'. God Bless RedLir & a Massive Thank You😜
Oh man, you are a God send... Thank you... THANK YOU!!! So much! Finally, I can use my simpit! I've been struggling for years (yes, years!) trying to make my set up work and now, it does!
Great to hear!
Ok, I have had this for a very long time. Now this is the first time I find a video for it (via XWAU)!
So now I can have more controls in say Elite Dangerous, this is very very good imo, since many buttons are for the keyboard..
However, mine never asks to restart the computer. Never did that even before.
I wanted to use it back then to control ships in ED (PS4 version), but it never worked good with CrossMaxPlus - latency issues.
So I got ED for PC aswell. But at that point I was already tripple elite.
Now I want to play XwinAlliance, but with both throttle and stick, and thanks to this - it is now possible!!
Great vid. Came in handy for getting my G920 wheel working in Star Citizen
Nice 👍
My god thank you I was so frustrated because I wanted to play Freespace 2 open but it only allows up to 6 axis total and only works with 1 stick or throttle total I tried everything for 2 days now and this saved me.
WEEOO! Great tutorial! i've been usting Vjoy & Joystick gremlin for a while now and found it quite simple to use. Would love to see a more advanced video explaining how to add shift key to asign a diffrent mapping when another button is pressed or mode changer!
Great suggestion!
Good morning.Thank you very much and congratulations.I was able to install all apps on Windows 11 without any problems. The strange thing is that Vjoy didn't ask to restart the computer and created the virtual joystick without any problems. Tried to use Joystick Gremlin in Squad game. Tried for hours, everything was correct. The virtual joystick HidHide hid the physical joystick and Gremlin configured it but the game was able to see the physical one.
Thank you!
Why didn't I find this video years ago... I've owned a full Virpil suite of controllers for about 2 years and tried setting it all up with Joystick Gremlin at the time of purchase, but failed miserably. This just made the whole project entirely approachable.
Thanks for this! I decided to finally set this all up. Been thinking about it since getting some pedals and noticing issues with toe breaks for forward/back strafing fighting each other but the final push was trying to use Teal's Joystick Visualizer and realizing I didn't want two separate axis being shown. I got everything setup and activated. Looks good in joystick gremlin and same in Windows Game Controller Properties. Only to see in Teal's Joystick Visualizer that it doesn't see input on any of the axis. Buttons showing up fine. Figured shutting down the pc and making sure Gremlin was launched before chrome would help but no dice. Will keep working on it but at least I don't have to worry about sorting devices in Star Citizen anymore.
Amazing man. Thank you and all the people who created this. People are amazing. I could not figure this out on my own.
Glad I could help!
You're a legend man. This is so simple now!
awesome!
You should be on the front of Time magazine... Life saver!
Thank you so much. This was very informative and fixed my issua with Star Citizen not detecting my z rotation.
Loving this series of videos, very helpful. Nice job!
This is the best tutorial I have seen on Joystick Gremlin. One question though, can you configure HIDHide to allow certain games to see the physical joysticks and not others?
My use case is that I need to use JG on IL-2, but not on DCS.
Add them to the allow list just like any configuration utilities. Or temporarily disable joystick hiding
Really like your video to be helpful and at the same time wonder the means and ends humans can reach to get what feels right, thankyou for your and everyone involved in these programs intuitiveness.
Glad it was helpful!
This was a great and simple to follow tutorial, thank you so much for making it!
Cheers from Down Under. RedB 😊
Thank you for making the tutorial! Saved me so so much time
You're welcome!
Awesome video. Stumbled on to your channel to solve a typical Star Citizen problem you are well aware of lol. 2 sticks and a throttle please .. Well I know what I'm going to be doing for a while . Thanks again see ya in the verse . o7
Thanks!
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Great Gremlin Videos, works pefect - thank you 👍
Glad it helped!
THIS IS AWESOME. Thank you so much. Solved so many of my issues!!!
Glad it helped!
Really useful video. Many thanks. Unfortunately, no success getting Snowrunner to see the virtual device that is the combination of my Moza wheel base and USB pedals. The struggle continues!
Be sure to check out the other videos in the Joystick Gremlin series. I will add more sub topics as time permits!
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Turtle Beach flight hangar was too obnoxious to get whitelisted inside of HidHIde--because it's a Microsoft Store app and I don't want to modify the permissions on my Program Files\Windows Apps directory--so I used the Inverse Cloak in HidHide (instead of whitelisting specific apps, apps have access by default, then I specifically excluded Squad from using everything)
Using vJoy as described here with Universal Control Mapper has worked for me so far in testing--believe that's the newer version of Joystick Gremlin.
Also going to use Track IR with Squad via FreePIE as described on some Reddit post.
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hey brother, first i want to think you for your clear and helpful video, its been the best resource yet. I am trying to set up twin sticks for mechwarriors 5, but i cant seem to get the game to recognize the vjoy device as input. Any idea as to why? and side note, what is the difference between absolute and relative axis?
Thank you for this guide!
hidhide not detecting my 16000s, otherwise this would be perfect, keep up the good work
Excellent video. Thanks a ton!
Thanks for an awesome tutorial !
Is there a particular reason that you bound the x and y axis to the rotation axis? Was that just as an example or does it have to do with having limited axis when only using one virtual joystick? In any case, thanks for this tutorial. I would be floundering trying to figure this all out on my own
You can map any physical axis to any vjoy Axis. They're just names really.
Its a shame I need to install 2 3rd party programs spend an hour or more configuring joy sticks and rudders + the time spent trying to find a solution in a game that that has 1/2 billion in funding and 10 years in development but somehow can't handle what every other flight/ space sim can and has been able to do for years and years. /rant off
Good video explained very well
Great tutorial. Must be somethig up with mine, after multiple attempts and 30+ restarts I cannot get Gremlin to launch =(
Update: Finally fixed it. Joystick Gremlin did not like the trademark symbol in the device name of my pedals, had to rename in registry.
Thank you so much for this guide. I was having problems getting Elite Dangerous to work with my Worthog Hotas and MFG pedals. Just one extra thing. Can you please let me know where you got the Star Wars Wallpaper from. It's stunning.
Great tutorial! I recently started playing Star Citizen. I have the T1600 Thrust Master, G29 Wheel, Pedals, Shifter and the Saitek Side Panel (also known as Logitech Heavy Equipment Side Panel). Yes, I came from playing Farming Simulator. All my equipment except the side panel worked directly with SC. Was really surprised the G29 equipment worked. Love using the shifter for thrust control, works really great without ever needing to use the cruise control. Anyway, I followed your tutorial and only setup the Side Panel with Gremlin. The rest of the equipment I didn't include since it already worked fine with SC. Gremlin works perfect for getting the side panel to work with SC. I am able to now use all the equipment together with no issues.
One question: is there anyway to invert the access inputs inside of Gremlin? I use the side panel joystick for strafing thrust (up, down, left, right, forward and back) Works really well except two of the axis work in the opposite direction I want them to work (Y and Z).
Add a curve to the axis and then invert it
@@RedLir_Live I just added the curve and then inverted it like you suggested it. It worked like a charm, thank you!
Thanks so much. This vid helped me a lot!
Glad it helped!
I had the issue where when I came to setting up the vjoy application the ‘add device’ was greyed out i could only change the settings u provided later and apply them but when I later wanted to launch gremlin I got the error message vjoy was not setup properly(followed your instructions to the letter)…after some long headaches what fixed it was launch vjoy click on device tab 2 on top > add device > click back on device tab 1 >delete device > then finally add device with your settings (also delete device tab 2 afterwards) and everything worked flawlessly after . Hope I’m the only case if not maybe it might be useful for someone else 😅
Great video, however I have a couple of questions. With two sticks (or a HOTAS) do I end up with two separate profiles, or is the profile I save in Joystick Gremlin a single one of the combined sticks? Also since Im hiding stuff in HID HIde do I need to assign every single button that I want the game to see?
I tried adding curves to axes, then loaded Elite Dangerous and it didnt recognise my Jostick at all in the Keybinds dropdown list in ship controls. And it didnt mention Vjoy either sp nothing worked
It's one profile. You're essentially combining multiple physical sticks into 1 or more VJOY sticks.
Yes, unless you're using keyboard/mouse bindings. If you want to map to classic DX buttons you need to assign them.
It's been some time since I've played ED but this was the setup I used back then as well. I would make sure that you didn't also hide the vjoy devices in HidHide instead of just your physical joysticks. Unless there is some new issue with ED and Vjoy I'm not aware of!
@@RedLir_Live Thank you so much for getting back to me. Im pretty new at this. May I ask, does Joystick Gremlin need to be running all the time Im running Elite?
If I just want to apply curves to the stick, once its reprogrammed by JGremlin, can I forget about it and use the stick as normal? That was all I wanted to do, as I can assign keys in Elite.
Thanks again for your time and this info will help me immensely.
No, the profile always needs to be running. It's not like VKB or Virpil software that saves the configuration to the stick!
thank you so much, this is really useful content !
Glad it was helpful!
I seem to be doing something wrong. My cyclic control assigns pitch to a particular vJoy axis, and at the same time, my pedals also assigns anti-torque to the same vJoy axis. How do I resolve that? I've also tried/failed using 1:1 mapping.
Hi! I have created 4 vjoy devices and assigned them to my controllers in this order:
1. VPC Constellation ALPHA Right;
2. VPC Panel #2;
3. VPC Rudder ACE;
4. VPC M50CM3 Throttle.
I've checked and crosschecked, and they're bound in this order, and yet Star Citizen sees my rudder as joystick 2 and my Panel #2 as joystick 3. When I bound these keybinds to Star Citizen, it recognized the panel #2 as joy 2, but 2 days later (today), it has swapped 2 for 3. When I'm assigning my devices to SC, It comes in this order: vjoy1; vjoy3; vjoy2; vjoy4. I assigned them first in a 1, 2, 3, 4 order, no joy. Then I assigned them exactly as listed: 1, 3, 2, 4, still no joy. I've even disconnected the devices and plugged them in in said order, still no joy. What am I missing? Thanks a lot.
You're describing the reason (bug) that led a lot of us to use JG, but you're basically just replacing the physical swapping with virtual.
Try removing 2 vjoy devices from the setup (delete them and reboot) and only map your 4 devices to 2 virtual. There should be plenty of axis an buttons to go around.
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Wanted to Play GTA5 VR with Gamepad, Hotas and Logitech G29 Wheel + Pedals. Only good fucking video in the whole Internet. Thank you so much.( Btw its now possible to add 128 buttons to virtual joystick)
Great to hear. Some games can only see so many dx buttons. I think with Elite Dangerous for example their limit is 32 (or at least was at one time) You can set the amount as you see fit but each vjoy you configure needs a unique amount so it's seen as a different device. Cheers!
Liked, bookmarked for later use. Might give joystick gremlin a try when i decide to jump back into SC in 2029. Have any joystick you would like to sell? - Your Quebec friend. Cheer!!!
See you in 2029! I could never part with any of my sticks! I just keep building a small museum :)
how do i make my game see the joystick axis? the buttons work but i not the movement
What do I do with my Z axis? i tried to bind them to z rotation on the virtual stick but they never respond or change in the input viewer
Great video. But what I would like to do is to activate a button with a double tap and keep it active while I'm holding it (like tapping twice and holding a button to activate it and keep it active). Do you know how to do this? Thank you very much
How does one get the window on the right hand side in the "Basic Example" section?
You said that you should change the button number 3 & 4 to 3 & 64 on the vJoy, but I only have 8 buttons to choose from. What am I doing wrong?
Great video. My mapping needs are very simple. I'm flying helicopters and just need pedals, one device for the collective, and a 3rd for cyclic (pitch and roll). In the video the physical X axis was bound to a virtual X rotation, same for Physical Y axis. I suppose the reason it hasn't worked for me is because I bound the Physical X axis, with the virtual X axis (as opposed to X Rotation). Could that be the source of my issue?
Hello i got a problem where steam wouldn´t always recognise my virtual joystick any idea why? It only happens when i close the game and restart my pc.
Interesting. Does it work if you close and relaunch steam? I've not encountered this but I wonder if it's a startup order/timing related issue.
@@RedLir_Live Nope just if i install hidhide, vjoy and joystick gremlin new.
Thank you for the very concise and informative video. I've been using JG but suddenly in last few days it no longer "see" my X52 Pro. Any advice very much appreciated?
How can I create one vjoy device with more then 8 axes? I find I use 11 in star citizen between my two alphas and a rudder pedal.
I've seen people using two vjoy devices, but I don't understand why I would do this as opposed to just keep using my non virtual joysticks
Nice video. Is there a specific example of why someone would want to use hidhide? With my game, I select the game controller that I want to use from the list given.
I come from a Star Citizen background that has issues and bugs with multiple controllers and randomly swapping them etc. This guide was born from that need and community.
The other reason is if you configure VJOY buttons and axis, the game will detect both the physical and virtual when you go to bind something and may not bind to the one you want. If you don't want to use hidhide specifically for your game, you can use the 'input repeater' option in Gremlin which will keep sending the virtual binding when you press it so the game picks that up instead of the physical after the initial click or axis movement. Turn off the input repeater when you're done setting your bindings.
Great tutorial!
Thank you! Cheers!
This is well done thank you . I have a very strange device missing the z axis can that be added somehow
Thanks for the chat on discord. I hope you get it worked out with support!
@@RedLir_Live great discord channel thanks for the help
is hid hide absolutely necessary? cuz when i go to add gremlin i cant find the exe file, but when opening folders normally i can.. but i cant drag it to the hide opened folders.
Edit: nevermind, after restarting hidhide a few times it eventually worked
So I'm setting up some warbirds and alphas, but in gremlin the hats show as individual buttons instead of hats. Is that normal?
Yes. You'll see the same thing in the Virpil VPC JOY TESTER in their software as well. They chose to map them to buttons instead of POV hats.
Great stuff, thanks
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Bardzo proszę o pomoc
Very nice tutorial!! WEEOO!
Thank you! Cheers!
You go through this really well. Does joystick gremlin emulate controllers when needed, or is that not needed since the virtual joystick gets seen by Steam and you have to map it there all over again? I've been using x360ce and UCR for emulating controllers for games that don't see the joystick, like no man's sky, or when Steam can't see the joystick either like with the Thrustmaster t.16000M. The bonus with x360ce is that it can pass vibration back through to my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2, which is epic but slowly failing.
I don't believe so. To my knowledge it just emulates the Vjoy device you configure and you remap everything to that ( or multiple ) Vjoy devices.
incredible video!
Thanks a lot!
Thank you sir, much appreciated!
Hey man nice tutorial. I have a lot of devices in my sim racing rig and could have a use for merging into a vjoy. Big question: Is there a way to get a physical button press &/or hold mapped to a vjoy button as a press and release, and then register the release of The physical button as yet another press and release in vjoy? I have a turn signal lever that holds the button pressed when activated, but the game wants the button to be pressed once to activate and once more to deactivate
Yes there is. There may be multiple ways to do it, but you can do it this way
- Add two macros to the same button that do the same thing ( press and release the desired virtual button etc)
- On the first macro - > Condition Tab - > Apply Conditions to Action -> Add Action Condition -> Activate When This Virtual Button is Pressed
- On the Second macro - > Condition Tab - > Apply Conditions to Action -> Add Action Condition -> Activate When This Virtual Button is Released
- Save / Start the profile
Now when you press the physical button it should trigger the vjoy button you have in the macro ( or anything else in the macro) and when you release the physical button it will run the other macro with the vjoy press/release sequence.
Whenever I start joystick gremlin I get an Uncaught Exception dialogue box, with a list of errors in different numbered lines, does anyone have any ideas why? Thanks v. much in advance for any responses.
Did i miss the modifier key instructions? how do i make button 5+6 = 64
@redLir_Live quick question. will possible to use one set of joysticks for two PCs using a switch and joystick gremlin? the goal will be to have two active Starcitizen accounts and use only one set of joysticks. with switch, i can jump between accounts using the same joysticks will this be possible with gremlin?
very helpful, thank you
Glad to hear that!
great infos and i will safe this video for later but do you know if this adds any delay on any input?
I have never noticed any delay. Cheers!
would this work for a g x56 hotas on Bf4 which only recognise 1 controller at a time?
Do they ever make updates to Gremlin or Vjoy? Seems like last update was from 2019. Are they dead utilities?
Thanks so much for this! I've got all of my axis working but am struggling with the buttons. I mapped F12 to re-center Track IR to a button on my HOTAS, but it only works when the Joystick Gremlin window is selected. Any suggestions? (BTW, I tried other keys with the same result and when I press F12 on the keyboard, it re-centers just fine. Also, the input viewer shows that the button is being pressed.) If using Hidhide, how come I don't have to remap the buttons pressed to vJoy (or do I and I missed something)? I just mapped them to the actual controller (VPC HOTAS and throttle).
So a couple of things. Hidhide doesn't hide the Gremlin virtual keyboard but it will hide physical joystick buttons. So if you wanted to use a DX Joystick button in a game, you have to remap it to a Vjoy DX button. Otherwise you can just map to keyboard shortcuts ( depending on the game)
Your Track IR recenter issue. There are two possibilities that I've hit doing the same thing at times.
1) One of the programs is running as administrator, and the other is not. Make sure TrackIR, Joystick Gremlin and any game are all running in the same mode ( either admin or not admin)
2) The TrackIR software has a 'trap' option that you may have to uncheck for F12 recenter, but this is usually only if you want to pass things to TrackIR and the Game, so it's probably #1
@@RedLir_Live Thanks for the info on the virtual keyboard, that makes sense. I'm just getting into flight sims and am starting with MSFS. Everything else is working except Track IR. It's so strange. I checked to make sure both programs were not running as administrator (and they weren't). And like I said before, if the Gremlin window is in focus and Track IR is in the window behind it, pressing the HOTAS button I mapped to the the re-center button works to re-center it. But if I minimize Joystick Gremlin and only have the Track IR window open, the HOTAS button won't re-center it, but if I press F12 on the keyboard, it does re-center.
After a little more searching, I've fixed it. A couple of years ago, I installed a xbox 360 controller. For some reason, the driver interferes with JG. I couldn't delete the driver (must be baked into Windows), but I disabled it and now it works. Thanks for the good work and I look forward to your future videos.
Very interesting. I have the windows xbox controller and maybe not totally related, if I use wireless and the controller goes to sleep, JG turns off the profile, so I have to basically use it wired.
Crashed a ship recently finding that out the hard way! Glad you solved it!
I need some help. I'm using a dual virpal constellation with pedals setup and I'm trying something different. World of Warcraft. So far I've got basic camera command and action bar mapping figured out. I'm trying to put movement controls WASD on the left thumbstick but I can't figure it out I can get forward to work but I can't figure out how to get backwards and left and right. I could bind them to a hat I suppose and solve it that way but it seems like the stick is the better option.
The virtual buttons tutorial in the series should be able to do that. You can configure a key to fire at a certain range in the axis.
welp, after doing this for setting bindings from keyboard, everything was working fine, but now star citizen cant see my stick and now my joystickgremlin doesnt see any inputs either after i tried to disable everything i did to get it to work on SC
this is specifically if the game already has axis but how do you map the axis to a key stroke i was able to map the key and apply a condition but the scale is too little and nothing explains simply how i can change either the scale or map the corresponding keys to the axis
See the virtual buttons guide in the play list. That may be what you're looking for.
I am just getting into Star Citizen and consuming related content on youtube. I am excited about the prospects of buying a budget stick setup after watching your other videos, but this one confuses me. I get wanting to bind keyboard buttons and mouse clicks to your stick, but I dont see the purpose of hiding the physical device from the game, or combining multiple physical devices to one virtual one. what benefits does this setup gives over directly using your sticks?
It works around many bugs Star Citizen has when you start adding more than 2 devices. Devices will get swapped around a lot requiring playing with the pp_resortdevices console command mini game every time you launch. I've also seen controller 3 and 4 be missing options etc. "Someday" they'll fix it, but hiding sticks and limiting what SC "sees" is a current workaround for a lot of people.
@@RedLir_Live Thank you for the response! I am very VERY far away from more than two devices, but I am excited for the journey. I am currently finding and watching many content creators to get familiar with the game, and waiting for the 3.18 update to drop. Hoping a free fly will happen, but most likely will just buy the game if it doesnt. Also one of my friends has a Thustmaster 16k and throttle I can borrow to get started with! If it is something that I enjoy long term I think I will get a pair of VKB evo and then save towards those incredible Virpil Alphas along with a control panel. I have no interest in flight sims so I am not sure how much value a throttle would have to me, rather just dual stick and lots of buttons.
What about making a game see one joystick as multiple devices? I've run into weirdness involving IL-2 only seeing 32 buttons and since I hsve way more on my stick (vkbnxt with 2 modules) the control cannot be used IL2 actually sees a button as a hat input for some reason.. at anyrate the suggestion involves making it appear as 2 devices but I've not discovered a way to do that .
Set it up with 2 or more vjoy devices. Remap some of the physical buttons to vjoy1 buttons and some to vjoy2 buttons etc then map the vjoy buttons in game
I am trying to understand but struggling. I can see where JG would be great for programs that have limited button inputs. But, for programs like MSFS and DCS that can map directly every button and axis with curve control for axis, I'm not seeing the benefits. Can you briefly tell me why I might want to use JG for these programs?
I have not played either of those games so probably not. Most people who find Gremlin are trying to solve a problem. For me and a lot of others who know me, it's Star Citizen and working around many bugs.
I will say JG is more than just mapping buttons though, there are many advanced features and button types/macros/submodes that can be achieved, so folks tend to consolidate things into one program instead of doing it all in the joystick software that may be from different vendors and may not support the feature they want to achieve.
@@RedLir_Live I have heard several people on discord say they love it with DCS because they don't have to reload the joystick configurations for all X number of aircraft if they have to reload DCS. Apparently sometimes, I am not privy to this, DCS changes bindings within the game. They say by using JG and binding keys to keyboard key presses, they can resolve a lot of these management issues. Still not sure what they mean by that. But there must be something to it or they wouldn't do it. I just haven't figured out exactly what they are doing yet. Thank=you for your response.
@@tommaxwell429 im trying to use it to get my rudder axis as a differential thrust axis as DCS itself wont support that
Thank you!
Sharka Control panel:
I am able to map keyboard commands to my alpha sticks, but not the Sharka Control panel??
Example - landing gear (N - landing mode) works only on joysticks. Doesnt when bound to a button on the panel?
I'm guessing Gremlin and Vjoy to save the day?
It should work fine on the momentary switches. The toggle switches can work but you may get interesting results by default since the signal is always on
@@RedLir_Live That explains why my 3 way switches work, provided their is BOTH toggle on/off function/command in Star Citizen.
Toggle-on alone required me to flip the switch up & down, if it worked at all.
All buttons on that bottom row (sharka panel) are beyond the windows 32 button limit.
Im confused why we cant just download profiles and import. Just replace our own hardware IDs.