The Casual Game You Are Told To Minmax | Wrath Classic
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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Speedrunning? Parses? GDKP? Wake up, it's 2008 and we are gonna see Naxx 10 for the first time!
Often I read about people worrying they are behind the curve as an expansion progresses. WotLK is THE most casual friendly Classic version of WoW we have seen so far, and by a long way.
Let's talk about it.
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I'm fresh to Classic and I was talking to some people on a guild I've entered (they recruit msg saying it was a laid-back casual guild). Chatting one day in the guild chat I've mentioned that I was going Blacksmith/JC on my Warrior and Mining or Herb/Alchemy on my Rogue, maybe later changing the gathering to Mining. An officer sent a private msg after a couple minutes explaining to me how much better (and in his vision, essential) Engineering was for both classes. He insisted that I went Engineering/JC on my main and the other Engineering and, being cool and laid-back, I could pick whatever second profession on my alt.
I said I was gonna thinking about it and then, couple minutes later, he kicked my alt and then my main from the guild lol
wow thats toxic
@@MRkriegs yea I just started on a new realm that I've heard its more laid-back. Its not the reason I've switched to another realm though
Oh no how dare you not do engineering for a slight DPS boost for a known easy raid tier as wrath Naxx. Jesus what a toxic guild
Ahh well, No reason to play people like that. What a toolbox lol
@@shinon748 yea. I'm not saying everyone on Skyfury are like this (just to be clear haha). And I'm only switching realms due to the queues =(
Yes thank you for bringing this up. We’re even lucky to have a second chance at this game! So just enjoy it, go at your own pace, I have 5 characters I need to level up and I don’t plan on going very deep in to raid content. If my toons can get full epics I’m pretty happy with it.
agreed! the p server people aswell as the crazy sweaters will be lvl 80 before you say good night that day, the game has been theorycrafted to the max, there is no secret new op talent buils that changes the game..
there is only the game and you that wants to play it - so everybody should enjoy their journey or the journey alongside friends..the raids are pisseasy anyway compared to modern day wow, the hard part is getting there and its not even that hard
let the racers do their race, i enjoy my game and experience
classic wow was THE casual friendly game when it launched. Flight points, minimal death penalty, easy to get gear. Hell the quest log was an amazing thing to see coming from EQ.
Not losing xp on death seemed like a revolutin lol. Even Diablo 2 had that which people forget.
Different times, different generation, kids nowadays have rings of power to ponder upon as high fantasy, they dont look to play games like wow anymore like our generation did
A f'ing map!? I mean... shit lol. It was better then idgaf what they say, i rather my journey be brutal, and about exploration, friends, carving my own path than a f'ing spreadsheet and addon simulator for tryhards who suck the soul right out of a genre that's entire reason for existing. WAS THE F'ING IMMERSION! The friends. Not BiS.
Imagine if Tolkein wrote Sam and Frodo as f'ing nerds with calculators that wanted to "optmize" their path to the fires of mount doom. . . how fun would that journey be? About as fun as a math class.
You're not on azeroth anymore was rift's tagline, not Wildstar. Wildstar had a lot of problems, but i enjoyed it from beta to shutdown.
Really? I played Rift a little bit but I don’t remember that ;)
@@iriswaldenburger2315 It's literally the top google result...lol
Play how you want.
But more importantly, find like-minded players that also want to play the way you want.
I want to create a guild just for noobs who played just enough in classic wow to know the main aspects of the game but never raided or haven't done all the dungeons and they still would have exploration discovery. But then again I don't even have time to manage a guild.
Only 2 to 3 hours max a day and not every day even.
Exactly. Just move away from those raid groups that post in chata stuff like ".../w me for gear inspect". These guys play wow for the reasons I don't understand.
That’s the hardest part honestly... it’s suuuuper hard to find a semi casual guild. It’s either sweaty no-lifes or brain afk people that don’t care at all
Exactly, and him trying to state that "the game is casual" is completely wrong. Classic was NOT casual if min-max guilds cleared content in an hour, and you, in a casual guild, or a pug, would clear content in 6 hours. I'd rather minmax every day and play with sweats than play with some boomer who clears content slower. WillE runs off this "casual meme" for clicks because it's one of the main things boomers say about WoW.. yes, the players back then were bad, but it doesn't mean that raiding was EVER casual. There's more casual aspects. I don't even consider gold farming casual.
Easier said than done imo
Gatekeeping gets worse in wrath I think too. Its that type of stuff that puts me off even trying to come back for wotlk. Feels like if you miss the boat or don't have that much time to play you're not getting in any group content unless you're in a guild.
Im actually amazingly surprised with myself for leveling 2 characters to 60 in 2 weeks on the fresh start servers. when I was a kid I leveled my first character over 2 whole expansions.
Running around without add-ons such as questie was rough. I'd be reading the quest log and be searching for the mobs for an hour. Loved every minute of it though
oh damn yes id loved it i began to play in wrath and as i got max lvl bam there was cata but i loved every damn second of it. it was what made wow to go deeep into my heart. i would do so much to go back to those times damn
@@crispymario did the same, till my brother introduced to me to thottbot which was very helpful as a kid back them.
@@crispymario and that's why even a simple quest was an achievement. Now a level up isn't an achievement if all you're doing is following add-ons instructions. I don't have a single add-on and very happy about it. Occasionally I'd quest is obscure I will read stuff on wowhead.
You must have no life cause I started at 36 from an old character I made and I’ve gained 20 levels in a week. I’ve been playing non stop too
I was a wrath kid. Played on my older brothers sub when he would spare me an hour to play on my lvl 16 Druid lol. Eventually tho I did get to max level, although playing now in tbc I’m enjoying the grind/earned experience wayyy more. Super excited for wrath but also going to miss the old days of just playing for fun and not worrying about my parse and gear score
I was a Wrath "teen". I was playing in vanilla, and bc, but never got to level cap until wrath, made a dk and later got plenty of other characters to 80. It took my 4 days playing classic tbc to realize i never got to level cap before wotlk, i never remembered attuning and keys for heroics.
Thank you for the casual inspiration
Not many folk approach their YT content from a casual perspective - so most often one feels if they don’t take all this stuff serious & have 3 weeks off work at launch - we might as well quit .. I don’t have those things ~ I don’t want to quit .. thanks Willie
The pacing of classic WoW is more akin to traditional table top rpgs. Your progress feels, and is, slower, but you notice and feel the incremental increase in power and ability.
I actually left during Wrath. I started it, and then college and a social life took all my time.
It genuinely puts a smile on my face whenever I see you dropped a new video. I just want you to know that your content makes my day. keep doing what you do, because you are awesome and deserve the best.
The Grizzly Hills music at the end still takes my breath away.
We like the idea of playing Classic, but we just can't escape our modern gaming mindsets.
I've always been that kind of slow-paced gamer, playing games like Baldur's gate, old adventure games, and basically all those nerdy titles with a lot of text and numbers, slowly reaching your goals.
However, lately, I have caught myself grinding in WoW, googling most effective builds, while listening to UA-cam videos in the background, and chatting on my phone, all at the same time.
@@TheDankFarmerOf course but it was just some hard core players, I think the main difference is that nowadays it's literally everyone, even casuals are minmaxing.
I think many people have the fear of falling behind, so even though they want to relax, lean back and enjoy the ride, they feel like they can't. Players feel like they have to level quickly and go for the BiS gear. This makes the pool of "hardcore" players bigger, which motivates "casual" players to shift into the hardcore camp, because - once again - they fear falling behind. If everyone just took a chill pill, everyone could get to chill without feeling behind. But this is sadly an impossible scenario. I guess you have to look inward and just try to enjoy it by yourself as much as possible.
This is known as herd mentality. Sadly it's not hard to get people to corral into the wrong pen lol. People are kinda stupid. A lot of the people who crunch stats view themselves as intellectuals. . . yet these same individuals self-sabotaged their own f'ing nostalgia and i'm over here like BRUH!🤣🤣🤣
Thx Willie , I'm not 70 yet. One week in. Net issues, family time , work & other hobbies have kept me from my love. Thx for the emotional support 😂
This video is new-player friendly & I find it rather inviting for gamers who've never tried WoW or want to return.
This happened to me. I started playing again after a few years, and rolled a mage and had fun, and the guild I joined immediately told me I need to "reroll". Ridiculous. I come from Final Fantasy XIV where community is super accepting and social and there is no real "meta". Anyways, it just turned me off and I ended up switching servers to one of the fresh servers and making a hunter, which may not be top dps, but I am having a blast, and people have been so fun to hang out with.
that is the people we dont want in WoW, literally you can play ANYTHING in WotLK and is viable. I had play in private server, have one of each class and all can have 15k dps (that is the at the Icecrown raid with 10/25 N gear not even the heroic or the upgrade version) Also i play prot war that is by far the worst tank in the expansion, but i had made all content, is more difficult? of course, but is the class i like! :) no one would made me reroll...
I'm confused that they told you to reroll off a mage. If it was a ret pala or something in Classic then I would kinda understand but mage? Weird.
mage is the best dps in the game the whole of wrath. weird.
'The meta' is pointless anyway. If you just take a moment to read your spells and try stuff out, you'll find stuff that outperforms 'the meta' until it _becomes_ the new meta.
Furthermore, if you play something you don't vibe with, you're not going to reach the theoretical numbers anyway...
I literally facepalm reading this thread. Yes, Mage is extremely good in WotLK. But if they already have a bunch of mages there are diminishing returns on having more. People just saying "weird, mage is the best class" like you know the comp.
When you join a guild you need to get on the same page as the organizers, right or wrong. You can help them reach an understanding that you feel is better or different that allows for your own gameplay decisions but unless you're in charge you have a duty to conform or a right to find a better guild.
FF has a meta as well. Every MMORPG has a meta. Now you can do a lot more social content in FF without following a meta than WoW but that's a different statement.
I'm glad OP is having fun with people that are fun. At the end of the day finding fun people on the same page is how you enjoy WoW. Don't be afraid of doing what you want and waiting/searching for that group of people you like and play the game similarly enough to be worth collaborating with.
I'm going to Dual Wield Frost tank and you can't stop me.
Nothing to stop. Frost is super for dugeon tanking
Godspeed
Isn't that already the minmax? Or atleast the Blood/Frost dual wield mix?
I’m having so much fun just leveling my paladin at my own pace. I’ll get on group up with some ransoms and knock quests out. I’m completing each zone if I can before I move on. Also never played alliance so this is a cool experience as well
I'm currently leveling my enhance shaman at level 29 and planning on getting a pala too. However there are more important things in life like going to the gym, have fun with your friends or go for an afternoon walk rather than play the game for 6/10/14 hours a day just because a bunch of elitist have nothing to do but squish the fun out of the game like if they were eSports players. So everyone who wants to enjoy the game, do not listen to this kind of people(especially the RXP spammers), level at the pace you desire and of course do not let this game change important choices of your daily life just to grind more hours. Trust me, it will do nothing but making you hate WoW instead of enjoying it.
yep min maxing mentality is ruinning the mmo experience
sir you talking about exercise you gonna need to stop right there.
@@bluesunrise2323 nope
WillE this is a FANTASTIC video. People focus way, way too much on not even just min-maxing, but 'I can't play the game without a guide'. People can't fathom playing a class without jumping on wowhead or icy-veins and putting in the talents they tell you to. Screw that! Don't follow any guides. Start a toon, play it, find out for yourself what talents you like and don't, what areas you like and don't, what gear is good and isn't.
Thank you for this WillE. Way too many content creators are obsessing over perfect raid comps and best classes/specs to play. In tbc it was so bad that I couldn't even get a group for dungeons because I played fury warrior and the community was dead set against fury warrs..
Shadowlands was the worst for that too awful gaming experience
When I'm not playing I love reading about the game, learning about BiS, learning about cool specs and farms... and then never doing it myself because I prefer solo play with a chatty guild to socialize with. I'm a super knowledgeable casual, lol. It definitely took me 9mo to reach 60 when Classic launched, between a full-time job, long commute, and family-comes-first mentality.
As a wrath baby, I always found it weird and surprising the way that wrath later became known as the golden age of WoW, given how intensely everyone complained about it at the time. As far as the players on my server at least were concerned, the golden age was already over with classic and tbc.
Because it absolutely was already over. It's just a totally convenient moment in time to pick as the golden standard because WoW never had more subs than during Wrath. What people completely gloss over is the fact that Wrath was also when WoW stopped growing for the first time ever. You can see the massive growth in vanilla and TBC and then it just kinda flatlines and drops off in Wrath.
@@blighticus it didn’t flatline or go negative in wrath, but the velocity did decrease. Cata was the first negative.
@@hamm8934 What are you talking about? Literally look up the charts. Q4 2008 was the release and the sub number stayed stagnant and flatlined for the entire expansion with the exception of Q1 2009 where the numbers DROPPED and Q3 2010 which was right before Cata launch where it went up.
@@blighticus I googled the charts. I don’t think you understand my comment. If you averaged by expansion, the slope of subs only decreased. It didn’t go negative or flatline. If we’re talking about expansions, why would you look at quarters? It’s more informative to average across expansion to compare.
Ps. No need to be a douche when responding to someone. Makes you look bad when you’re wrong.
@@hamm8934 Again, do your research instead of talking out of your ass. That is why you feel people are being a douche to you. Because instead of making informed comments, you speak from your gut.
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Just look at the damn stats that were literally published and analysed countless times.
Stop manipulating stats by adding dumb caveats to it like "average by expansion". It was literally the first time in WoW history that the subs dropped from one point to the next. And it was quite literally the first time the subs flatlined. Stop getting emotionally invested when people are talking about statistics.
Good video wille. I’m def a min maxer type person with my gear but not my attitude and I appreciate you moving that perspective forward. That it’s ok to have diff expectations of performance than me and we can even still play together. The real ones don’t mind they just wanna blast.
I'm taking it casual for this expac after raiding all tbc. I got tired of committing to raid times on weekdays; I just want to chill after work. And tbh I kinda like pugs, you get to play with all sorts of different people.
When I played Wrath originally, I raided with a guild that had trouble getting past 10-man content because the egos kept getting in the way of real cohesion. No matter which MMO I play, endgame PvE content guilds always have the same problem. So this time around, I think I'll skip most of that, but you better believe you'll see me in PvP, cutting some of those egos down to size haha.
Forsaken Rogue, go split some wigs for this old STV veteran *Laughs in Forsaken* "MWHAHAHAHAHAHA"
I gave TBCC an honest try over the last few months. Got into a guild, raided up through BT, grinded out thousands of gold, got my war bear, etc. Ultimately, I like the content, the class design and the gameplay, but I hate guilds, and classic players/blizzard have decided that what it means to be "social" is to be in a guild. And no, I won't "play retail" either.
That’s why I quit both and play private servers. The MoP community is super active and honestly has been my fav expansion bc it has content for everyone.
Totally agree. I left wow classic for the same reasons
wow classic community is easily the worst group of players I've interacted with
Why do you hate guilds? I am having a blast with many old and new friends
@@s.t.5993 Most people dont like playing together with degenerates
the grizzly hills music never gets boring
I'm really hoping once wrath comes out ppl mellow out. I was told there's not a raiding spot for me if I have a gathering profession 🙄
"But... I don't have a gathering profession. I have two."
Those people are the exception, not the rule. Sweatlords who want to push clear times etc.
There's plenty of casual and midcore guilds around, you just need to look for them :> server discords help a lot
Haha yeah guild can be pretty weird sometimes. My guild had tons of issues during the whole of tbc, BT and hyjal was the only raids we cleared week 1 and that was with 2 days aswell. Warriors are the "bad" class in wotlk so they don't allow anyone to play it until the later tiers. I don't think we even have any good feral druids to make up for the buffs xD
Join a more chilled guild m8... They are out there.
Questlog full, gf gone for release week, best friend is coming over from another city. Launch week will be an amazing dungeongrindfest, and much fun =)
I’d love to come back for Wrath, but having a sporadic day or two off a week I feel like the cost wouldn’t justify the 10 + hours a week I’d manage.
40h of gameplay isn't worth 12 bucks?
If you're going to play an expansion with limited time, wrath is the expansion to do it.
@S R yeh I don’t have set nights off to raid either so it would be pugs, which is fine but meh..
I remember how vitriolic people were to us new players back then. The hostility was so intense i nearly gave up. But living through that experience is what crystalized my desire to help new players wherever i can. I will help people in newcomers chat as a guide. If someone asked me to come help with their key i will as long as i'm not busy. I am a director with a new player teaching organization in EVE Online, i want to become a sherpa eventually in escape from tarkov.
Love the video. I think there is room for every kind of player in WoW.
I think you nailed the thing I disliked the most about TBC perfectly actually.
I actually quite LOVED TBC. It was very very fun. If they did a TBC SoM, I would absolutely play it.
But, one thing they should do in that, if it's done, is make buffs raid wide.
We know it can be done. I just personally think that parsing was quite unfair in TBC overall. You could do an insane amount of damage and help your raid kill a boss quickly, and then discover that your parse wasn't good enough because your raid couldn't provide you with 3 rolling bloodlusts.
That's on top of the salt that comes from guilds bending over backwards to supe up ONE person's DPS that night. It's just a really unhealthy environment to raid in at the end of the day. For me, with raiding, I enjoy min/maxing my char as much as the next guy and I super value taking it very seriously, but it's more about utility and teamwork being fun for me than it is "number more biggr" at the end of the day.
I always raised my hand to be on warlock tank, curse of tongues, and banish duties over just hitting shadowbolt over and over again.
It's nice to get a good parse, but honestly for me once I get it like 90+ I am good and only concerned with being useful for the rest of my team. I know the cheese that goes into getting absurdly high 99 parses, and I am not really interested in doing that honestly. Hitting one button over and over again after popping consumes and trinkets while in the perfect group is only fun and exciting for so long lol. Give me something different to do please!
Parsing in Classic versions of WoW, where damage is massively RNG dependant, is so absurd I find it hilarious anybody takes it seriously. Sure it can help to know who is AFK half the fight, but outside of some scoreboard for tryhards, making fights go a few seconds faster so you can log off faster is a logic I will never enjoy.
Man, you're so right, even in retail, it's the case when all I always had to do to have good gear was run dung from time to time or a raid, no to mention gear often doesn't matter as long as you know what to do in the fight.
People without gear are expected not to know what to do in the fight, because they haven't done it yet. Or haven't done enough times. And it's usually a correct assumption.
@@ForOne814 this aspect of the games has always seemed like a conundrum for me. You gotta raid ectopic to get the good gear (at least when I played and it'd been a while) if you didn't have the gear they didn't want you in cause they'd assume you don't know the fights. But how was one supposed to get the gear and learn the fights without doing said raids lol.
@@Stickman0660 join a more casual guild, run with them to get started, pug higher level raids when you can. eventually you hit the point where you can move into a new guild. thats exactly what I did coming into tbc late
@@AndrewIHanna that's essentially what I did when I played back in the day when wrath was current. Ended up with a fairly well geared resto shimmy and holy pally. Remember having to watch boss guides and download this add on and that add on. Was just pointing out how the whole thing sounds to newer players. I got lucky and got invited to a guild after running with one of its members and healing through a tank that couldn't hold aggro to save his life. I've been debating picking up classic just to raid again.
@@Stickman0660 It's like modern job application. Entry level job, requires years of experience. Oxymoron requirements.
I’m on the casual end of that spectrum and while I am a ‘casual’ player, I ensure that whatever group content is done, can be done (not really an issue with coordination tbh).
But because of this mentality and walking that fine line brings in min max players to my guild, I am painfully blunt about how they should be expected to act within the confines of my guild. Yes, most of those players leave but the ones that stay, are some long standing guildies and friends within the game. *shrug*
Just don’t try to be something you’re not is all
I'm glad to see the casual mindset isn't completely dead. I played during original WotLK and partially into cata and I always just loved leveling at my own pace and enjoy the journey and little adventures on the way and I'm doing it the same way now in classic. I have never done a raid in my life since back then I was way too much of a noob that didn't even fully understand english yet. Now that I actually know what I'm doing I'd love to have a shot at some casual raiding if I can find the right people for it. I have no idea how viable raiding is with my mindset or if it's even possible to begin with, if it's not then there's still other things i'll enjoy doing at max lvl. My only concern is that WotLK classic might not be around long enough for me to even reach that point with my playstyle (I like to switch characters to lvl and having less free time and all that...). Personally I really hope they don't continue to cata and if they do that they atleast keep the WotLK server instead of removing them like the TBC ones. Also not sure how raiding would even work out if I'm several months late to the different patches and stuff. All around me I see people prepairing and gearing for raids as quickly as possible and move on as the patches get released. Would it still be possible to find people doing the "older" raids of the expansion or are those raids not really a thing anymore when the expansion moves on?
tl;dr: I"m enjoying the casual and slow leveling experience but at the same time i'm afraid I'll be "too late" to see what endgame really has to offer"
It’s really all about finding the right guild or the right server to pug if you don’t like guilds. Finding the right group of people that want to go at your equal pace is what matters
Truth
I go alone, no guild, no dungeons, no pvp unless it's necessary.... because I'm, tired, way way tired of Pro's, that instead of acting like "teachers" they act like "preachers", waiting for the right moment to show how fucking amazing they are and how lame is everyone else, so I go solo, I despise those kind of people with every fiber of my body.
Two games from back in the early MMO days you missed mentioning about negative effects of dying. Ultima Online, when you died, that very moment your loot AND body were up for grabs. They could take everything you had and then chop up your body to use a decoration for their house. I think even mobs could loot you if you died. Then there was Shadowbane. If you died you lost EXP. You could actually level backwards! If someone was hunting you, griefing you, you could actively lose levels faster than you'd gain them. They were wild games for sure, but honestly I don't miss those aspects of games. Having to do a bit of a run wasn't fun. But at least you knew that all you lost was a bit of time.
I fucking hate minmaxing in any game if I'm just playing it casually
Fair enough if I'm hard-core playing I'll do it
But for classic wow it should be a fuck around. Yet people all over classic are forcing people to be meta or don't participate it's gross I hate it
@@TheDankFarmer I never said don't do it I said it's gross what's even grosser is you making assumptions
It still blows my mind that I'll group up for a Zul Farrak or some dungeon to heal- and the tank will stop in his tracks, look at my talents, and say "You're healing as shadow...?" As if A) it matters, or B) I haven't already done the dungeon a hundred times.
Zul Farrak was barely hard in vanilla WoW, let alone burning crusade, LET ALONE WotLK pre patch, people need to calm down more and realize the game isn't so serious, or difficult.
lol, I had a dungeon group on a PvE server fall apart at the beginning of Hellfire Ramparts because the tanks health went to 50% on the first pull. The tank lost his shit at the healer and the healer called him a garbage tank who over-pulled . It was perhaps my 3rd dungeon as I levelled mostly on quests.
So you try to play a role in the wrong spec, people in your group rightfully comment on it and now you are crying here on youtube about it?
This is why i dont play WoW anymore, so many braindeads
A friend of mine tank as a hunter yesterday. Pre patch so easy lets make the game fun . And also you notice that people don't really press their button. They use to just play they part
He stops becuase he's sick of having to wait for you to drink after every 2 pulls. Off spec healers are noticable, no matter how good.
People usually only bother to look at others’ specs if they are doing sub par lol
As a thirty year old it's important to evaluate what is fun. Am I having fun? If no, then do literally anything else.
I'll be playing at my own pace.
Side note people buying gold and doing gdkp's make no sense to me. Just go play lost ark where the game is begging you to p2w
Gdkps have value as a non gold buyer. It's the most fair loot system in the game as you always get a reward (assuming you're not drooling on your keyboard) and works across raid teams and guilds while incentivizing non raiding gameplay.
They are doing it because they're 30+ as well but want to enjoy endgame activities they need gold/gear for but don't have the time to grind.
Like damn, call me a rocket scientist.
@@tristanbrooks6594 ah yes. because gold is always fairly distributed.... and if you get into a GDKP then you won't know until after the raid if the raid lead decides to ignore and block you without paying out.
@@sage798 that kind of stuff varies raid to raid as much as any other system. Like I said. Carry your weight and you'll get paid.
@@tristanbrooks6594 false
@WillE - my concern is not anything you've mentioned.
My concern is finding a group to do dungeons at this point. If you're not in a guild, certainly an established one, it feels like a struggle to put a group together. Especially playing a non-meta class; and despite really wanting to do the raids - I'm pretty sure I'm going to miss out on the content; for the second time.
It's weird, I'm on one of the mega realms, but even being on a mega realm without any friends makes it feel like a dead realm.
play a fresh server
Make new friends then. It's an MMO, thousands of people are online concurrently.
Willie it’s nice to see that big subscriber bump you got
I was told to drop enchanting for engineering. I just said.. "No." And it was left at that. My lock was tailoring and enchanting back in the day and that's how he will be now.
Chad with the big No.
I mean, I was my guild's base Enchanter for the whole of Classic. AQ40 recipes, MC recipes, +4 on chest from Ony, farmed Stratholme for Lifestealing, farmed Crusader and crafted my Runed Arcanite Rod BEFORE getting my epic mount, you name it. Whoever contacted you and told you to drop Enchanting is a fucking idiot. Every raiding guild NEEDS their Enchanter with 100% raid attendance (so that he's there when the recipes DO decide to drop) who is active and can enchant the whole guild on a moment's notice. It's either that, or shelling over 50g tips.
We had a warrior in my guild, a dude called Cargon. From Molten Core to Naxxramas, I must have enchanted at LEAST 10 Crusaders for him. Crusader fee on my server was 30 gold. I single-handedly saved that man 300g in enchanting fees over the course of 2 years. And that's 1 member's WEAPONS, only. Now multiply that by another 39 people. Now multiply that by another 6 enchantable gear slots. Yeah, I saved them thousands upon thousands of gold.
My biggest Classic regret is not seeing TBC through as I missed it when it first came out - being an impatient child I never got above level 12. That being said I played a lot of private servers and BT is still my favourite raid of all time. I so wanted to do it _for real_ but I didn't.
Now with Wrath Classic - the start of my WoW days, the expansion I finally broke level 12 in, then 20, 30, now that same character is my Retail Bae. I told myself I'd rush to be ready for launch but when I realised I won't be ready (level 46 with 6 days to go and not a lot of time anymore) I actually got very down about it.
Then I realised I should just take a step back and enjoy my time, and I'm loving Classic again. Will I be ready for 11pm next week? Hell no. Will I still bash Wotlk out and kill the LK which I never got to do in Wrath? (We got stuck at 6/12). You bet I will. I'm coming for you Arthas, you better be ready for my Bear ass!
I changed from casual to a min-maxer to keep up with my friends. Both are incredibly fun and rewarding, but to be honest, it comes much harder to me to min-max. Not my way to relax or unwind.
I needed this perspective. Thanks, Wille.
Even last night, a guildie was going on and on about how I should do something their way to level "faster" and get pvp epics that will last til at least 75 into Wrath leveling.
I'd rather do it my way with the right to change my mind. :)
thanks for this video, now im sure i'm gonna play again! Downloading now!
There is only one Channel that has the best WOTLK advice. He hasn't posted WoW content in at least 10 years. I'm not going to mention him because these are secrets which should not be shared with everyone on UA-cam. Simple things that give you an edge over your opponent. For example when he got World First Level 80 he was competing with streamers that had people doing the work for them and he still came out on top. He would Macro haste potions to his openers, Mount to Dismiss pet and re-call pet with full HP, Played the Beta so he could plan his washroom breaks an meals with cut-scenes you couldn't skip. Thats just a few things for world 1st. His PvE and PvP advice is the best in the world and even 10 years later people aren't on his level.
"You aren't on Azeroth anymore," was Rift's marketing line. Wildstar was the return to "hardcore (40 mans, long attunement, etc) but the marketing line wasn't for Wildstar. Not that big of a deal, but let's keep things historically accurate.
Now I have all 4 classes that can tank, as tanks, at max level. Pre-patch made me realize why I quit raiding (particularly gearing up in dungeons) in wotlk. Threat is no longer an issue for tanks and dps. After pre-patch you just stand there and look pretty while enjoying your rotation. Little worry about DPS pulling aggro and getting back aggro. TBC had it right for threat management, except for paladins, which my opinion should have been normalized to druid/warrior while requiring an active rotation to maintain aggro - many times when pally tanking, I don't actually physically hit most mobs before they die -I'd judge the first and judge the 2nd on cooldown on the highest hp mob remaining in a pack. One suggestion for tbc pally tank design would be the holy bonus to threat doesn't work on a mob until the paladin has applied a judgement (now on GCD) to the mob when Righteous Fury is active. It's not tanking if you can just stand there spamming Holy Shield and Consecrate and not hit anything and still maintain aggro.
The issue is you might find some casual gatekeepers telling you to calm down(cause they know you will be the ones bitching that there isn't anything to do in two weeks time and force the next classic expansion way too soon) but the min max crowd hold far far more sway over how every one plays and their way of playing is imposed far more on everyone else
@S R No kidding, even leveling and dungeon farming to max level is min maxed with warrior need to have shields, druids need to have bear form with points into tanking or healing, I remember my shaman and shadow priest were force to heal and some people in dungeon group complain if I was spec into heal, it be easier to speed run it and clear it 4 times, before quitting group because it took so long! (that is classic wailing caverns, always mess for most pugs)
min maxing does plague when it goes to places where it shouldn't be and sadly even pvp is expect everyone to use macros, change spec, PVP armor kit, and key bind your abilities outside of rated pvp is quite stupid
The only thing I hate about the min-max crowd is how they want to deny people raid spots arbitrarily. I understand not wanting to bring a Fresh 70 into Sunwell, but not taking people into SSC without having them grind through Kara, Gruul and Mags first makes it feel more like work than a game.
That said, nothing is more annoying than trying to find a healer for a dungeon and you have a Shadow Priest, Ret Paladin and Feral Druid sitting on your DPS team chilling as you spend 20-30 minutes posting on LFG. People that play healer classes but DPS specs are flooding the market right now with healers in short supply.
@@theoutlander1411 Keep in mind, that being a healer is not easy task, and get usually shit on cause the tank is impatient and/or DPS is hiding behind walls and standing in the fire while asking "WHERE ARE ME HEALS, HEALER BLOODY SUCKS D!CK!!!" type of response that can get anyone not consider healing unless they find a guild that can help remove that worry, which leads pugs with always low on healers on market
@@greenchilistudioz4537 As ranged DPS, I generally assumed I wasn't going to get healed unless shit went down (like an extra mob gets pulled and we're waiting for the tank to get aggro). So I'd health potions and bandages and try to watch where I was standing. I always assumed the dumb DPS expecting heals for being dumb was just a meme.
@@theoutlander1411 You be surprise that is based on really dungeon experience, I have dps stand in fire and expect healer to empty their mana on them and then rage after they died, before getting kicked.
Healers tend to get abused by those want to rush things cause of meta reasons, then hunters get crapped on for hunter weapon memes. Which is saying a lot
I’m already behind, but at the same time, I’m already way further along than I expected
I remember when wrath came out, I was in the server 1st guild through the end of TBC and was geared to the teeth. I didn't upgrade many sunwell items on the way to 80 and my guildies and I thought "Wow, we must just be really overgeared even for these heroics". We had fun knocking out all the achieves and grinding pre-bis and emblems and thought we were hot shit. Until we looked around and saw everyone else wearing greens was blowing through the heroics just as easily. We weren't overgeared, blizzard had just made the content super easy. TBC heroics for us had been hard at the start of the expansion with shit gear. We had to use CC. We had to give the tanks time to pick up threat but not too much time before DPS comes in or the heals run OOM. It was a balancing act and it was fun and rewarding. That was all stripped away in wrath. Tanks just run into everything and dps just uses AOE on it all. It was a shock, we weren't used to it being so jarringly different but eventually we got used to it and just called anyone who didn't long for the good old days "wrathbabies".
Pff, classic baby, real men push 0.01% upper M+ keys that are objectively the hardest content due to being endlessly up-scaleable.
fun fact every player ever is part of a server first guild back in the day.
hated tbc heroics then, hated them now atleast till nerf. as a tank then and now, getting far too high scaled dmg spikes and basically not feeling any gearupgrade is just stupid design.
Plus all the stuns and aggroreducing or wiping mechanics. What even is that. I mean even with full bis at the time you could not facetank most packs in bf hc without cc. Being hard is okay, being stupidly tuned is just that. Welcome to stunning mobs with enrage that hit you for 6k in a 5 man dungeon while if you had the gear that the dungeon is requiring to have, meaning phase 0/1 gear at best, would equal 2 hits be4 you die...
@@bluebarrymore5442 right dude people are so full of shit dude probably never even played classic tbc
@@danmoore1427 i don't even think he has been on youtube before.
oh boy am i happy to know its just some days until i can enjoy grizzly hills this musik gets me alwyas
can you do this type of video for old school runescape????
I wanted to roll a new character and started to research which race/class to play, different Ui's available and installed about 10 addons, and after two hours the Mrs said are you having a good time playing, and I said I hadn't started playing yet, and thought to myself this is why I stopped playing in the first place, I had a lot more fun just being a noob, so I just rolled what I wanted and started to play
@@TheDankFarmer the point I am making is i rolled an dwarf, not because I like dwarfs, but because they have the best stats, I chose the class not because it seemed like fun , but because it had the best end game utility. In the past spent more time researching than playing the game until finally all the fun was gone out of it and it just seemed like work. I have no intention of playing end game content, so I should just enjoy the game for what it is and concentrate on just playing to relax
I'm heavy into PVP... So naturally I do find myself min-maxing to be the most optimal I can, but I still try to have an open mind with people that just want to try new things, and then I'll decide whether to continue what they're trying based on success, or failure.
In PVE I don't mind what people do at all, if their DPS is keeping up or their healing, I can't see the problem, I can see the problem for raiders that don't want to be carrying someone doing very little damage or healing though.
Oh damn I didn't know you rocked ironman in OSRS MAD respect to you good sir!!
Ooooh you had to bring up Wildstar. I miss that game so much.
One of the most important things Wrath did to increase it's popularity was increasing the viability of almost all specs. Just think if you picked up vanilla, got to 60 as a balance druid, loved the gameplay and then were told sorry, your class goes oom in 12 seconds and is therefore useless in groups. Heal or reroll. You do a /played and see you've spend 12 days getting to this point. How many players are going to go through it all over again vs just quitting? That was a major pain point in vanilla. In TBC it was more the gatekeeping with all the rep grinds and attunement quests.
I was called a “fucking idiot” the other day for not using addons. Another guy begged me to do Zul’farrak with him but I wanted to wait until I actually got to Tanaris and did the buildup quests. I decided to watch a guide for my class to learn rotations, but it ended up being a 30 minute guide with max optimization. Literally explaining that you need to optimize leveling by calculating mob xp gained compared to time it takes to kill for maximum efficiency and never letting energy max out because that’s wasted resources.
I am happy that others can play the game the way they want. But min-maxers keep imposing on my playing the way I want. I still love Wow and am even enjoying it almost as much as I did back in the day. But sometimes I have to turn Trade Chat off. I’m also convinced a lot of people are sabatoging their own enjoyment by feeling like min-maxing is a requirement or a chore rather than fun.
The kind of people you just laugh at and reply with *Ok*
"Wrath Babies" Ahahahaha I completely forgot about that!
Great vids! Keep it up!
Dont take shit from people that want you to minmax and grind out things you dont want to do.
Its your grind, your game, your experience!
There are guilds/players that are casual and guilds/players that min max. If you, as a casual player, decide to join guild with a min max culture, its kind of on you. Same goes the other way around. Just be honest with who you are and what you want out of the game and align with others that fit. From my own experience, though anecdotal, more friction arises when a min maxer joins a casual guild than the other way around. I think the very nature of a min maxer leads to a mindset of 'only one way to play this game' where a casual player has a higher chance of being a bit more open to alternate play styles.
wotlk struck the perfect balance between "hardcore" and casual, i started playing in early warth, and by the time iw was 80 (toc/ony patch), i met all kinds of players, but i felt welcomed as i could do all conent available (not max difficulty), but everything, and by the end of it (RS), i was pugging 25H groups, i think it was the perfect formula so people could enjoy both and go in between
bro wow hasnt been casual in ages . what you talking about is midcore not casual a casual will never run a raid.
Running from Kargath to BRM was so fun. All guilds gathering up and running together. Wiping those pesky Alliance that held the mountain. Then getting totally wiped by 20 of their alt mages hidden above the orb into Blackwing Lair...we even took our alts and baited when going into Naxx. Pretending to run in from the west, flanking them. And wiping them. Summoning onto Naxx/AQ, under Naxx. Clearing the 4 wings of Naxx to, to then go get WBs together. To be able to down sapphiron... Alliance had their palas and could kill without them. We killed sapph once without WBs. Insane how much easier palas made things.
min/max are super stressed out all the time and do not have fun. they get stressed out by wipes/leave groups/complain vocally. they are doing what they "think" is right, while stressing themselves out, they aren't having fun.
@@TheDankFarmer gaslight lmao
Bro no one is having fun when you have people who are terrible holding back the 2 or 3 players who know what to do
@@TheDankFarmer cancer to the game.
@@urganp2798 so teach them. What’s sad is that when you make comments like that, you are presuming that you yourself have never been in that situation. It is inevitable that, in your real life whether it be in your career or hobby, you were the one who didn’t know jack shit and we’re slowing people down. But I’m sure that somebody took your hand and helped you along, and you were undoubtedly thankful for that person. Be that person
I decided to join WotLK at the start with my shadow priest and this time, I WON'T FOLLOW GUIDES! I'll play it like Ii supposed to, jump on the boat, ship to Northrend and start questing, dungeoning. I'll only check what stats I need to prioritize, but nothing else. I'll just play for fun and do whatever I feel like doing. Anyone planning the same?
You bet. That's how I'm playing now. Just doing quests and get bored? No problem do a dungeon. Tired of dungeon? Work a bit on profession or do some random travel questchain etc. Bore of that? Maybe do some PvP. Tired of all of those? Just go into starter zone to help noobs. And just like that rotating things gets fun and interesting
@@laius6047 this is how we played it at the beginning and maybe how it should be played by many. Like at the start of Classic, the first year was amazing, the majority wasn't rushing to level cap and was just leveling as they saw fit.
This was a good video, thank you Wille
That post about wotlk achievements isnt from original wrath... the guy has a picture of bioshock infinite as his avatar. That game came out in 2013
I started playing in BC. Patch 2.2? Got to lvl 68 before wrath. Damn did leveling take a long time back then. Played the heck out of wrath. Quit at the end of Cata. Haven't logged in since the day mists launched.
I think wille is funny when he makes the minmaxer a prot war in wrath
great storytelling - love it !!!
Spending all my DKP on the heavy dark iron ring from molten core was worth the rage received from the tanks (putting me over 15k armor in bear form, suck it)
You can always tell what faction a streamer plays by what they call the raid buff. "You can't get 4 heroisms anymore"
4:25 uhm I thought the "You're not in Azeroth anymore" was from Rift, not Wildstar
One problem with Classic in particular is that it's on a faster track than retail vanilla/tbc/wotlk was in terms of content release time, which means that the people who typically enjoy progressing at the regular pace they're used to from standard WoW now feel pressured to find ways to quicken their progression. That's where the ever so prevalent and invasive GDKP stuff comes from, I think.
Warmane "fixed" this by with their seasonal progression realm by speeding up gear progression rates through more frequent raid resets in their first season (which was only present in s1), and mythic+/timewalking in their second and third seasons. Warmane's Frostmourne server practically runs on the same yearly season timeframe as classic does but their progression is simply faster as well. Alongside this the progress you made during Frostmourne's season isn't entirely gone once the season ends since your characters are transferred over to their main server which has been on-going for many years. Contrast this to Classic which once wotlk ends, nobody knows what's going to happen.
Truthfully maybe increasing the amount of loot each boss drops could be a good compromise. It increases the pace at which people are able to gear up within the already limited time frame and by making loot a bit more bountiful, reduces the FOMO feeling many people are surely feeling. Although I guess this might result in a problem where people who are already able to gear up relatively quickly might lose interest earlier on than normal. I dunno, just had to get this tangent off my chest :P
If they wanted to add extra loot, they could've (and maybe should've) done it earlier. Wrath is, imo, too late for such measures, since everyone and their grandma will be clearing all of the content and getting the loot, regardless of whether or not they minmax.
The entirety of the Blight Club Discord needs to watch this video LOL
I distinctly remember Totalbiscuit (RIP) complaining on Blue Plz about how Naxx in Wrath was baby mode and significantly undertuned compared to how challenging it was in Vanilla. The more things change...
People loved it at the time because it was new and facerolling heroics was cathartic from all the insane heroics from TBC. But it definately damaged the game and when they tried to make dungeons hard again in Cata, players rebelled hard and they nerfed them hard.
Others: I don't have as much time to play WotLK
Me: Saving 80 hours of PTO so I can take a week off for wrath.
Just play how you want. When I played wow classic I went super hard core got to Field Marshall on my warrior and farmed gold/raided every thing min/max. I started TBC with the same mindset Got my shaman to 60 in a week when it was prepatch and went ham but around phase 2 is when my guild quit and I just wasn't having much fun going super min/max anymore I was burnt out. Props to the speed runners/players that can go hard for 3 expansions straight. For Wotlk gonna just take it nice and chill and have fun like I did when I played wotlk back in the day.
Most of the speed running/big parsing are not actively playing the game. They get their levelling done and raid log, pay $ for gold and buy all consumes.
I'm so casual and slow. That's just how I roll :)
Even on Vannila Private servers the minmaxing is there. Raider's don't want to bother with anyone who isn't hit capped. The concept useless dps gets thrown around as they don't want to bring a class that doesn't provide utility like dispel.
I'm excited to have fun, do only slightly better than decent and hang with my guild again after being gone a year
Wotlk was the perfect balance, and I think a lot of people feel that way
im a new player and i dont know whats going on my damage is weird and everyone else can kill like 4 people at once and even though im a frost mage im fighting for my life vs 2 enemies 5 levels below me im scared
4 heroism is lit wtf its so much fun to go full speed
You think multiple lusts were bad, that at least benefitted an entire group. Just wait until you see the level of degeneracy that comes with all of the single target buffs like multiple tricks, PI, Focus Magic, Hysteria, multiple innervates, etc. Wrath encourages even worse behavior, by it only benefiting one person. They will need to make changes to how logging works so these buffs are reflecting on the caster instead of the receiver.
Stopped playing classic when my friends told me I wasn’t leveling fast enough. That sucked the fun out of it like a deflating balloon.
some friends, they should have helped you level!!
I make an alt just for friends. Well I would if my cousin would play again lol
Sounds like you will amount to nothing in the real world if one negative comment makes you give up.
Just level as fast as you want and find new friends to play wow with.
@@Guitarfailtastic2857 dawg are we still saying this after 17 years?
I think I might shed a tear when I hear Dalaran music again
Funny, "people" don't realize that WoW was created because Everquest and the other games were too hardcore.
Link?
@@realScottThomas Lived this information back in the day no 'Links'
Hard-core time investment
@@realScottThomas Do you... not believe this claim? Is that the issue?
This is true, wasnt death in everquest permanent?
Been wanting to come back to classic for ages I just struggle trying to find a class that I’m going to enjoy, holy pally or feral Druid to level first friends?
This is exactly what I was wandering about. I never jumped in to BC classic and now I wonder can I go to WoTL directly. Will I be way behind? How should I start playing? Do I start from level 1? Or do I use my 60 lvl character? Do I need to play BC at all?
Start on a fresh server. I recently joined and have a lovk 70 and dk 68 thinking of a mage. Its loads fun and groups everywhere. So far i did not see anything wrong :).
The MMO Rift's slogan was "You aren't in Azeroth anymore." Not Wildstar. Wildstar was developed by many former WoW Vanilla devs, and listened to the vanilla fans - killed the game quick. I miss my Chua though.
What instrumental is he talking over it’s a banger!
I played several MMOs before like ff14 and guild wars 2 I want to start playing classic since everyone is saying that this is a good time to start what do u recommend
Thanks for this video. I see so many whiners always complaining that min maxxers have ruined everything. Just go at your own pace and enjoy it, don't let how other's play dictate your own enjoyment