Flying mounts? *NGH.* Say it with me,. Not Gonna Happen. If it does, it'll be to a specific zone or two that they have the time to 'baby proof' and/or you can't exploit spots because we all know what classic (any variant) likes to bring out. But yeah terrible idea. But we're fine they won't do it.
the issue with devs is they don't think like humans. they're literally bots. they ask us for information but have NO IDEA how to process it. they're going to f it up. these aren't the same people that made classic and they probably never even played it.
OSRS is a good case study. I think it's successful because their devs make the game DEEPER while the SoD devs make the game longer. For ex, the finish line for leveling strength in OSRS is always the same. It's level 99. The new content is not parasitical off the old content because the fundamentals stay the same. In SoD, each phase is a new finish line where the progress you made in the previous phase is erased almost immediately. I could go on with other examples, but essentially Blizzard is narrowly developing the game to be a constantly moving finish line where you have to join a guild and treat the game like a part time job to stay on top of progression.
OSRS is just a fundamentally different game, so any comparison is faulty tbh. OSRS is much easier to modify without changing the core mechanics. Whereas 90% of the vanilla gameplay is leveling. And guess what? People get bored of doing the same zones in the same order. But changing the components is much more difficult, because the game is essentially rotating along one axis. You have to modify this axis (the leveling), and of course there will some unhappiness no matter how you do it.
Osrs is such a different game though. Wow always had the problem that the only progression is leveling and then gear. While osrs is essentially 27 different leveling experiences and some are actively tied too gold. While the 99 cap is true, different ways to progress that skill will cannibalize the other methods based on either gold or exp.
@@JoshThomas20XX People cry about Wowtokens, but the reason it exists is because people were gold buying, and they were so incapable of not buying gold that this time it was added 3 expacs early.
Turtle is down right now. Was hacked ~24 hours ago. Slurs were showing up as server wide system messages and then it was shut down. Supposedly will be back up within the next few hours, but nothing yet.
well Turtle WoW is a banger. Love it - it‘s even up since 2018. Classic is up since 2019 and now with Cata I don’t play it anymore. So TWoW won my heart❤ played long for free but decided to finally give them some well deserved money. they earned it more than blizzard with how they work and ban bots etc
If the survey is real, I can't help but thinking "Do you want flying mount?" is a fitler question and they discard anyone who answered "yes" to flying mount
A LFG Bulletin Board in Cities or clicking on Meeting stones at Dungeons pulling up LFG could work aswell. Or being in a Tavern using the world to increase immersion.
100% yes to this. Keep things immersive, a bulletin board or tavern is perfect for LFG. Imagine hanging out in a tavern with other adventurers while you form a group, that sounds super comfy.
I still don't understand how the same people that complain about everything Blizz does in retail seem to think they could ever build something they wouldn't find objectionable as part of a so called classic+.
All a successful Classic+ really needs is some class balance, finishing of abandoned questlines, some cleaning up of weird game mechanics and then some extra end game content can be added later. Other things they could consider adding is an alternative to spamming Battlegrounds for PvP (maybe even its own version of Arena with a Vanilla twist to it- just make it viable to do either as per preference), more quests between level 40 and 60 (or at least make the quests that exist give more experience) and some actual incentive for classes to wear the 'correct' armour types. And reduce the number of Black Lotus needed for flasks. You can buff drops all you like, but if you still need a lot it'll be botted immediately regardless. Maybe have vendors around the world that will trade herbs for other herbs so you can at least farm your way to getting a Lotus if you pick enough Gromsblood, as an example) - just don't make it so generous that its the preferred method otherwise bots will be all over that too. Or, you know, do something about the bots. And have GM's actively maintain servers and interact with the community like back then.
@@prayerh1no Who cares if everyone plays the same thing? Follow the original WoW devs and just add passionate cool stuff to the game and let the players do whatever they want
@@masonhalesCorrect, CLASSIC doesn't need it, however CLASSIC + does, bring warriors down a peg, bring Ret/shadow/balance up to par, it wouldn't take much
I like SOD but it seems a little extreme in class changes. For me Classic+ was minor class changes and a focus on content like raids, 5 man dungeons and quests in line with vanilla's philosophy. For example most paladins simply asked for crusader strike and a taunt.
gaming nowadays is meta based. None will play a subpar class knowing warriors can outperform everyone. Very few people like era and that's why blizzard do not care.
@@highlordsilverhand1228 Divine Storm feels sooo good, but it's the kind of temtpation that needs to be resisted to build a proper Classic+. I agree with everyone saying Crusader Strike and a Taunt.
Yeah. It doesn't do anything to the people who don't care and for us who like to change our character once in a while it is amazing. And yet another gold sink. The game really needs them!
SoD has more players playing then Classic Era via the numbers. Currently, Classic era has 17, 212 and SoD has 40,692. Thats a massive success even with losing people in P2 and P3.
@@andrew2616 Classic+ only makes sense if it is similar to Era in being a permanent place with progression content over time. It should have a very long-term lifespan compared to SoM and SoD which seem to appeal more to FOTM and adhd players.
@@CrusaderZealot i will never understand people complaining about the term "season". Every fresh classic era is a season itself and every retail expansion is a season. Who cares if it's called "discovery" or "deviate delight"? It eventually ends and people is going to ask for a fresh version...
@@andrew2616 take into account of population growth and you start to see why think about it deadpool vs wolverine is on set to be the number one movie to make the most money because it is the only one people can see without an ag333nda shoved down their throats
My problem with a lot of QoL changes is taht its just one step after another of turning players into bots for content. The barriers force people to talk to each other. I wish changes would prioritize more social interactions, which often don't happen during game play. It happens during the boat ride. The cross country journey to the dungeon. Or at least it used to.
Yeah whatever new thing they do like SoD or anything beyond that has been done for the past couple years by private servers by now. They are just late to whatever hype exists and solely make updates and versions to pad their quarterly reports and its sad that people have FOMO and some type of fear of population and would rather play blizzards version of the game and pay 20 dollars a month when instead they could just play on private servers with 10000x better and more cultivated communities
@@bookbookbook1you know what scares me the most is that private servers are managed way better. Especially community wise. I personally think that's a huge reason why so many stay or prefer private servers. On classic I had to switch realms three times because my realms I always choose die since there are always one or two idiots that cause a server wide panic "because the population is low". I started on patchwerk eu transferd to venoxis eu with some alts when za hit since we were like 70 people left playing actively. Left my main on patchwerk and played it into wotlk with some buddy's on the realm died again in December 2023 after a revival. Meanwhile venoxis alliance also died twice before wotlk prepatch and 3 weeks after wrath release. .
also, yes the questions seem VERY directed at whatever token effort they're willing to put in, instead of actually asking the community what they would like to see done different imo, a Classic+ is an opportunity to reinvent the world (lore, locations, factions and their interactions, etc) without reinventing the game (class mechanics, interface, social tools, etc)
Hire the Turtle Team for Classic+ and Hire the Team of Ascension for some fucking freaky Gamemodes or new Ideas for new Speccs, because their Dark Ranger Concept is awesome, aswell as Cryomancer, Locust and Grove Ranger, Eldritch Knight, Lei Shen Thunder Bear..
I've seen footage from Ascension. It is overhyped and basically living rent-free in the heads of those that can be easily swayed by a single word. Also: Breaking IP laws.
I think phase one of SoD actually got the classes just about right with what they added to each of them. Just one or two extra buttons to press, nothing to crazy, but you could play the class you wanted to in the spec you wanted to. They may not have been the best, but you might bring other tools that make you super useful, Ret pallies for buffs, Feral for wind furry for example, and I think it'd be best to lean harder into that. I think it'd be cool for them to make leveling an even longer process as well, because I feel that was what a lot of classic was about. For example you hit 25, and there is a quest chain you need to do in BFD to unlock the next bracket. Give us a reason to redo some of the things that worked well in SoD (Like the leveling raids) for more than just gear, I'm not talking anything major, just basically clear the raid twice or something. I just don't want them focusing on only endgame, I don't think that's in the spirit of classic.
Yeah, this is actually a good nuanced take. I don't think locking leveling behind raiding would be great, I think we should reserve the right to allow people to play in whatever way they like (including basically completely solo). But, I totally agree that phase 1 was plenty of new class tweaks--I think a couple of later things were also good and should stick around like the summoning closet, or 1 hour weapon imbues. But yeah, the point should just be to make everything more viable, and add the new class identities (i.e. allow more tanks and healers). Not make us ridiculously OP so we just steam roll everything. The only problems in classic wow are the fact that your class can be dogshit at level cap; either because it's a 2 button class, or they're completely unviable. They don't need to be perfectly balanced, but you should be able to be viable no matter what, and you should have something to do other than cast shadowbolt to maximize your dps. That's genuinely all they need to do, and then continue to add fun stuff and more of the long quest lines people like. I also think adding achievements and titles would be cool and give people stuff to do that is still in the classic spirit. We don't need dailies, we don't need 35 runes, we really, really don't need incursions, etc.
they simply added more to the classes, it only felt good because you only had 5% of the class unlocked anyways, and they added 30% more for shaman for example. i for example think shaman can be changed quite a bit and its role as buffing dps improved without breaking it. i think stormstrike cd on 10 sec cooldown is perfect and teh 6 sec broke enhancer and made it loose its role. in my opinion stormstrike should add a debuff that proccs like lightningshield but on the boss and it can be procced by your entire raid and if it gets proccd it can reset stormstrike etc. makes shaman only a "good" dps in a raid setting and doesnt break him as a solo class because of hybrid. those are just small ideas that keep its theme avoid the negatives and work like classic. or teh lightningshield talent in the enhancer tree being a changing talent that on 1 point makes it aoe 2 points make it procc on attacks and 3 points make it get an increased aggro, so dps would take 2 points and tank would take 3 points keeping the natures planned chaos a little more shown aswell. it also has more aspects which makes me a genius with thinking up that stuff but i wont bother the casuals here too much glad if you read this much.
@@555ticklemeelmo I agree with some and not others. I don't really agree with the idea of adding more tanks and healers. First off a lot of these were really poorly implemented. It also really broke the balance and class identity of quite a few of the classes. i.e. mages should never have been allowed to heal. This completely breaks what is already one of if not the strongest class in all of classic. All they really need to do is make the existing tanks and healers balanced and viable. If warriors aren't the only viable tank in the game then that opens up a lot of stuff. Paladins being made better would be massive for tanking and feral druids are actually pretty decent but could maybe use a tweek or two probably oriented around being able to get defense cap or making them uncritable by a raid boss some how. The only class i think has an argument for being given a new role is shaman being able to tank. This is partially due to shamans being the parallel of paladins for the horde and if paladins can tank that means the horde effectively has one less tank. Shaman also has talents and abilities clearly designed with tanking originally in mind. things like rockbiter weapon for extra threat, armor and defense talents in the enhance tree, totems like stoneskin and stoneclaw. All you would really need to do is revamp this existing base of abilities to enable them to be able to tank.
@@henri3672 Absolutely. Just not taking it as seriously because I dont currently have a raid night. Retail is taking priority raid wise, but even then, its basically donezo till AWW.
Damn it’s just about money. Classic+ should have been THE classic original rerelease of Vanilla WoW. They could have devs make new content in the spirit of vanilla and finish and release unfinished content that never made it in game. Of course Activision now wants it when we’re at Cata classic. Because they know everyone is done. Look at Osrs compared to wow classic. One is continuously rising while the other is a reanimated corpse.
then it would not have been Classic Wow on re-release. . . You know, the version everybody wanted. #Nochanges Sigh.....cant believe i had to explain that
The problem with this was the #nochanges crowd was SO ABSURDLY LOUD when the classic rerelease was on the way made this impossible without insane uproar. Even the minimal changes uploaded to era in the last few weeks caused so many people to scream and cry that they reverted the (honestly not game-changing) changes.
@@mariogallego5513 If you took a second to actually read the comment instead of touting your lack of comprehension skills for everyone to see, then you would understand I meant *after* phase 4 dropped. Instead of rereleasing each expansion that led to WoW's decline in the first place, they could have simply started making new zones in the spirit of Vanilla. Vanilla is not perfect, its just the best version of the game we have. If they want to make new zones, raids, dungeons that fit the spirit of the game, then they would be able to print money. Its that simple. Go look up OSRS.
Break the world buff meta; cap world buffs at 1. It will make designing new content significantly easier OR, IF WE ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE WORLD BUFFS put an NPC in SW / ORG that gives you all the world buffs, once per week.
I want things like Dire Cat form, with questlines fleshed out for iconic class abilities. Cat form should have a quest added for instance. Good god give me dire cat.
People would complain that the quest is too hard,long,expensive, etc. If there is anything you can gather from the playerbase it is that 90% will complain no matter what is done.
@@brandonwilson4740 it is the internet. Millions of people so the fact that people complain isn't relevant. You are conflating that fact that SOMEONE will complain with the idea that EVERYONE complains which just isn't true.
I kinda agree with both of you guys. I'd really love to see more class quests for iconic skills, however, I don't think the quests should require a group, but rather, they should just be difficult solo challenges that enhance the RP feel for the class.
Dual spec encourages a more strict meta game where now in raid I'll be expected to have one spec for single target/boss and another for aoe/trash. And then I still have to respec to PvP, etc... This also removes the identity that comes from the personal choice of tailoring your talents towards a particular strength in raid. More homogenization = less identity = less social interaction = retail.
As someone who runs tanks and healers, dps needs to learn how aggro f***ing works. Nuking something the moment the tank is 5 yds away from it is the dumbest s*** y'all can do. Can't wait 5 seconds for the tank to round up a bunch of mobs, then whine about how long the run is taking one small pull at a time, completely ignorant of the fact it is far far easier quicker and smoother to let the tank hold aggro instead of forcing tank to pull aggro off of you then hold it. Especially if starting flat footed with no rage.
The reason you don't have tanks is because 1) People don't want the responsibility and 2) Why would i tank when you only need 1-2 for raids? I'm going to tank dungeons for tanking gear that I dont get to use? If a dungeon requires 1 tank, 1 healer, and 3 dps then a 20m raid should be tuned to require 4 tanks, 4 healers, and 12 dps. Dual spec only makes my bags full af trying to carry all the extra gear around.
@@rinpy I'm mostly in favor of duel-spec, but I think you skillfully articulated some very fair points. Sometimes I want an RP realm where there is no respec, so you better get it right.
A lot could be added, everything just need pros and cons. Summoning stones? Sure, lots of pros there. The con should be: only usable by players within the dungeon level req. We dont want level 1 or 60's abusing these. Instant mails? I think not, but if you want that...the con coud be: You have to pay a fee for instant delivery, which equals X, Y, Z.....like in the real world. Everything should not be a direct QoL improvement; there has be some sort of con that balance it out. Guild Banks? Sure, but make sure you can only be the owner of ONE guild bank per server. Else people will abuse it. Toy/Collection tab ? Yes please, but do not make it sharable between all characters....
I'd love more lore and more diverse content in mid/late game. I love classic but on higher levels the difficulty is simply "do the same thing longer/more often" and that repetitiveness just bores me out every time.
Well...your takes are from someone who is a Progressive Classic player, sadly. Most of the Classic players that were looking forward to a Plus weren't intent on some of these types of changes. Minor class tweak here and there and new content to include a couple of dungeons and some 10-20 man raid content with maybe a new 40 man at some point down the road after launch.
I'd like to see Vanilla, but more in depth and polished. More class and profession quests, more viable customizations, loot that's different not just powered up, etc.
The biggest things I want to see: Revamp the talent tree and balance classes better, but not to the extent of SoD where they completely remake every class. There are a lot of talent trees that just make me wonder what in the world they were thinking. Such as: why are neither of the first row talents in Enhancement particularly interesting for a melee DPS? Move the Menethil Harbor boats to Stormwind. Straighten the flight paths that take you on the scenic routes, adding time to your flight for no good reason, and clean up some of the connections on multi-segment routes. Instant mail between players. A posting board in-game to help bring groups together rather than needing to spam chat. Meeting stones capable of summoning people that require as many people as warlocks (ie, 3). Get rid of all the world buffs, or at least not have them be usable inside instances. Go to the TBC consumable limit of 1 of each of 2 types of elixir or 1 flask. Nerf flasks to comparable power level from future expansions (both effect and materials), make Black Lotus potentially drop from all high level herbs instead of being a separate node, then put an alchemy lab in Stonard and wherever the alliance artisan alchemy trainer is, assuming it's in a similar out-of-the-way place (if not, put it in Nethergarde just to be the corresponding alliance place to Stonard). If they did all of the last three, I would actually consider raiding again. Dual-spec, but it costs money (or more realistically, some sort of consumable that costs money/effort) to change, and have it not be too cheap to change. I'm not against the idea of dual-spec, but there should be a heavy cost associated with using it constantly. I would prefer it to be more along the lines of a second saved talent spec along with the ability to respec in the field rather than just at the trainer. Also: Shaman need to save their 2h Axe and Mace skill after respecing.
Poll features per server. Implement them per server. Let each server fulfill a different style of the game. Not sure about letting people just switch, but people having alts on a server is fine. Perhaps ask feedback after a month of running a feature?
Flying should not be put in a Classic server in my opinion. Faster ground mounts? Yes, but the world of Azeroth lost a bit of its wonder when it became possible to just fly over everything right until you reached your destination.
I would rather just get Fresh Progression servers with some minor changes like dual-spec, buff cap removal, heroism being raid wide, ect ect. Nothing massively game changing, just minor quality of life improvements. Just let me get back to TBC...
What makes Classic Classic for me is less about "this specific set of content" and more about how it is presented, and how it functions. I like that you're a guy, in a world, and not the Champion of Azeroth. I don't like giant inset cutscenes. I like having to methodically build your character and deal with fussy details that add verisimilitude. I wouldn't mind them adding playable races, so long as those are things that are already in the game. We never needed Pandarens or Fox things, or ten million kinds of elves, dwarves, trolls, etc. Those could just be options when you pick that race. What would have been cool is if we could then play Furbolgs, Gnolls, Goblins, Ogres, Worgen, Centaurs, Quillboars, One thing that would cut down on alt-itis, is if they allowed a single character to learn all, or most of the classes, or at least all the classes available to that race, somewhat like FFXIV, where you switch between classes. What I'd really like is for characters to be able to learn Class skills (e.g. Fire, Ice, Arcane for Mage) from trainers as independent skill tracks, and then they can just mix and match their own playing style, but that quickly becomes complicated to discuss, so I'll stop there. But I'd also like there not to be a limit on professions. I'm kind of against collections, at least spanning between characters. I think the idea is ok for a given character, just to preserve appearances and whatever without having to fill up your bank vault with things you're never going to use. It would be cool if, with a craft that your character knows, you could produce a clothing item that had the stats/effects of one particular item, but the appearance of another item you also know how to make from that same craft. This is not glamours/transmogs, this is just stylistic crafting. If you're going to have an effect that allows you to disguise one item to look like another via illusion, that should be a spell in the Arcane/illusion school. Mounts should be treated more like hunter pets. Like you can have some very small number of them loaded personally, and the rest are stored in a "stable". Flying mounts would be ok if mounts were treated more like actual animals/vehicles, and had limitations. Like maybe you actually need to feed your mounts, and they need to rest to recover, and can only fly so far. Ultimately, you don't want them to be so good that you basically never have to interact with the world again, such as is the case in retail. You make a fair point about the unfinished world, but if they could finish it, that would be ok. Again, I don't mind the content of Retail so much as how it is presented and works. I don't even mind if they add new places or do mild updates on existing places. Expanding Stormwind is fine, tearing up the landscape of existing zones a la Cataclysm is not. Another thing they could take from FFXIV is having local temporary events, kind of like FFXIV FATES, but maybe more substantial and organic. I'll go no with dungeon finders. Doing a dungeon should require going to the dungeon and entering. I'm ok with a certain amount of QOL stuff, as long as it doesn't circumvent going through the world. Guild vaults would be ok, adding a few more flight paths (but not too many, and you still have to initialize them) would be ok.
"Summoning stones outside instances, but you need a Warlock to put some shards in to activate it" Classic Content Creators never fail to come up with the worst ideas humanly possible.
- They need to unlocked all the locked maps in Azeroth and add new quest/story chains. - There are total 9 locked map in vanilla Azeroth (with isles) - They should add new dungeons and few new raids to some of these locked maps ofc. and design new items/gears fit to vanilla culture. - Some of people dont wanna see GDKP - Bots - Multiboxers - gold sellers and boosters. blizz should take this into consideration. - BARBERSHOP would be great in vanilla btw. (Except for gender reassignment) - We want to see the more lore from; The Great war to warcraft3 in vanilla Azeroth! - WE DONT WANNA PLAY WITH FCKN RETAIL SKILLS ofc! - We wanna see new races in line with the story of vanilla(warcraft). (maybe worgens cuz worgens shows in 2003 vanilla trailer. maybe high elves, maybe goblins idk) - More world boss and more wpvp events would be good ofc in line with the lore of vanilla. - Another arena would be great like grubashi with different chest or reward idk. I am a 35 year old dad warcraft player, I have cleared vanilla twice before. Now I started again in Zandalar tribe fresh(eu) because SoD(PTR) is a disgrace! I hope one day they will complete the unfinished vanilla and present it to us...
How about weapon skill lines. You can use any weapon you want which comes with its own skill book and passives. Bring in an altered version of the hero variants. Add a lot more horizontal progression. Increase experience by 25-100% depending on the level. Add limited fast travel style teleport stations, where there might only be 2-3 per continent evenly spaced out. Make mounts accessible by level 10-20 and increase their max possible speed so by level 30-40 you are actually going a decent speed.
Wille you've got such a good head on your shoulders. It's so nice to hear from a classic enjoyer who isn't a full on classic andy. It's nice because I'm the same! I love classic but I also love modern and I'm having a good time with Cata too. I love comparing and contrasting them and wondering how each could learn from the others while still staying in the same spirit of their era. I feel like you do the same.
Devs have left so much flat out broken with no response in all versions of classic. They don’t have the time/effort to do it right. More faith when the games we currently pay for are actually working
As long as Devs keep 60 as the level cap and work with talent points and spell ranks for further progression, things will be fine. Tiers of existing (t.i. retail) content could be added here and there, tied to the story by aptly made quest chains and with a lateral progression gearing. Outdoor content especially could be added with groups/raids in mind, where players band together to make their way though zones and reach new flight points. I'd also like if players could quest to open "new" cemeteries and flight points in regular zones (those available in retail).
For summoning stones, you could allow certain classes to "activate" them like locks and mages. However making it near mandatory for a group to have a lock/mage might ruffle some feathers, but then again there is almost never a 5 man without a lock or mage. Although that could create a terrible unintended economy, cough greedy ass mages cough, the last thing we need are even more mages spamming about their "services" in trade chat. I wouldn't mind seeing brand new races added, but not a lot of races actually make sense lore wise. Ogres work for horde all day every day, but any faction that might join the alliance aren't really a thing until future expansions; pandarens, worgen, high elves, mechagnomes, etc. So maybe new races wouldn't work. What I'd really love to see are new dungeons, new raids, new zones, expanded existing zones, and new factions. Just flesh out the world more, it'd be pretty easy considering all the content that was cut from vanilla. I could easily see a new raid being added that comes after Naxx, especially one involving the Emerald Dream which would be awesome and tie into classic lore perfectly imo. Would also be kind of cool to do a raid at the very end that sets up the opening of Karazhan in TBC. You could also introduce the Caverns of Time and add new "old" content to the game, like events from Warcraft 1/2/3.
Yes, adding new content or expanding on existing lore and stories would be great. Really flesh out the world to encourage exploration and take advantage of areas like Azshara that seemed unfinished. SoD seems to be vanilla+ basically, they added alot of quality of life changes plus cool new abilities or class roles, and new or revamped dungeons and raids..... better loot drops that bypass the annoying way stats and skils were done or put on gear, like combine melee/spell hit and crit, or have gear with spellpower so both spell damage and healing. The one major thing I think they need is the dual spec, even tri spec honestly. Play your class to the max, and have the option to have preset builds for different specs or roles.... in PVE or PVP. But regarding summoning stones.... forgive my memory as I haven't played classic in a long time, not even this recent re-release of classic.... but I thought there was always a summoning stone outside every dungeon. Is that not true? I seem to remember running dungeons all the time and flying to the dungeon entrance by the meeting stone and waiting on 2 other party memebers cause u needed 3 to summon. Or am I wrong and that was only true for certain dungeons and im confusing meeting stones iwth warlock summons?
7:50 so it's been a lot of years since vanilla.. which is kind of only what I played except for a bit of TBC. IIRC, there was a feature added, which is like our current LFG panel, but you wouldn't be automatically grouped. Instead, you would create/apply to a group in like a sub tab of social, for specific dungeons. Anybody else remember this?
even if that somehow happened, wow vanilla was only made the exact way it was, BECAUSE it was made 20 years ago. even the exact same dev team would have new preconceived notions of what would make a game fun/immersive. i can assure you that your nostalgia is what makes you believe vanilla wow is the best version. i think tbc was even better than vanilla in almost every way. but there are sooooo many things that are deeply flawed about playing vanilla in the current day. we dont play mmo's to be social anymore, but the entire foundation of vanilla wow was built on the idea that people are playing specifically for the point of being social. whether you agree with some changes or not, doesnt mean that change isnt needed to make vanilla wow more fun to play in the modern era
I disagree. I think it should be the other way around, more visual cues, like you can see what abilities a mob has based on the weapons and armor they carry.
I think "we" want Classic +. Just as it sounds. Don't change things, just add maybe 5-10 levels, and MAYBE MAYBE a talent. It would be fun enough with the 5-10 extra talent points. Add a new dungeon or 3 and raid for the 65+ 70 and a battle ground. All with in the theme of classic, expanding or exploring already in game assets, ie Doors that go to nowhere, or unfinished spaces. After a year or whatever, make a new server with classic ++ and go a bit more crazy, this time doing all the change like quality of life stuff.
To get word of mouth going, and to see if there is an interest in specific areas. It is not meant to be a polling system like OSRC. At least that is what I think.
@@CrusaderZealot There really are too many stupid fans. It's a bad idea. If anything, they could use a fake poll to weed out the stupid ones and find fresh talent to give insight.
It is real, I got it July 12th, I can screenshot the email if needed. Also it's absolutely not just a classic + questionnaire, I had loads of fresh Classic questions, like re releasing progressive classic and expansion specific servers. For some reason people are only posting this part that you've shown, it was like a 20 minute long questionnaire
Love the video! I have 1 problem with something you said tho, you're assumption that the collection ui would be cross account. A character specific one to get mount, orb of deception, sleeping bag, or other items out of your bag is completely different compared to "free toys and mounts" on alts
For clarification sod added a "collection tab" by removing the trinket requirement on items and making it so you could put them in your key ring. Collection ui would most likely resemble that.
I always felt the game play in vanilla does speed up from 10th to 40th level. I don't mind the steady grind, then again I never hit 60 in vanilla, but was raiding a couple months before wrath classic came out
8:46 I think fixing items to stack more efficiently isn't as simple as "buy better bags". I have full 18 slot bags in sod but because elixirs only stack to FIVE I think I'd appreciate it if they adjusted stack numbers. I'm a prot paladin, I have like 7 elixirs I have to carry on me at any time, not even including any gear required to swap for certain fights.
@@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas what does this even mean? Yes bigger bags give more slots for gear but why do I need 4x slots to store 20 of 1 elixir/potion each. Just make it stack to 20 and it opens 3 bag slots per elixir/potion. The point isn't just "get bigger bags" just fix the stack numbers.
@@Shadowbathed I am pointing out your need for different set of gear isn't nock on the bigger bags. Since it helps with your bag space issue. Even with your elixir and potion extra slots still helps your bag space issue. And for most people more slots always help. And it still helps you. Helping everyone or really helping a smaller number of people which would you do. Larger bags address everyone issues and it address your issue just not in the way you want.
@@brandonwilson4740 Sounds normal req for raiding. Protection potions, elixirs, mana pots, health pots, sharpening stones and oils, food buffs and some short cooldown consumables (fire oil for example) and don't forget engi bombs. And then of course the armor for different resistances or off healing. Most likely still forgot to mention something.
Wow lost me half an year ago to ff14 but i still keep watching your vids as they really are relaxing, informative and overall just very chill to watch ❤
Can't wait for classic plus with gdkp and rampant botting
Who knows, Valve recently got their shit together and started banning automated accounts, maybe Blizzard will do the same
Sod got gdkp banned tho? Or did they
@@WaterBisquitte copium
You mean like SoD rn?Lmao
Shit is bot infested and let’s not start about gold buyers
Dont tempt them!!
I can't even begin to explain how much I DONT want flying mounts in Classic. Blizzar,d PLEASE no
Is this something that is really being discussed? lol
Flying mounts? *NGH.* Say it with me,. Not Gonna Happen. If it does, it'll be to a specific zone or two that they have the time to 'baby proof' and/or you can't exploit spots because we all know what classic (any variant) likes to bring out. But yeah terrible idea. But we're fine they won't do it.
@@ekrajb123 agree
just gliders :)
@@nickm455 nty
I can't see Blizz pulling this off without fucking it up
some rich influencer pushing the buttons pushing what they want regardless of whether it works or not
100% they have shown that they do not get classic and its tuning.
Yep p3 of sod was so badly done and too long killed server populations
But it's exciting to wait and see how they will fuck it up
the issue with devs is they don't think like humans. they're literally bots. they ask us for information but have NO IDEA how to process it. they're going to f it up. these aren't the same people that made classic and they probably never even played it.
OSRS is a good case study. I think it's successful because their devs make the game DEEPER while the SoD devs make the game longer.
For ex, the finish line for leveling strength in OSRS is always the same. It's level 99. The new content is not parasitical off the old content because the fundamentals stay the same. In SoD, each phase is a new finish line where the progress you made in the previous phase is erased almost immediately.
I could go on with other examples, but essentially Blizzard is narrowly developing the game to be a constantly moving finish line where you have to join a guild and treat the game like a part time job to stay on top of progression.
OSRS is just a fundamentally different game, so any comparison is faulty tbh. OSRS is much easier to modify without changing the core mechanics. Whereas 90% of the vanilla gameplay is leveling. And guess what? People get bored of doing the same zones in the same order. But changing the components is much more difficult, because the game is essentially rotating along one axis. You have to modify this axis (the leveling), and of course there will some unhappiness no matter how you do it.
Osrs is such a different game though. Wow always had the problem that the only progression is leveling and then gear.
While osrs is essentially 27 different leveling experiences and some are actively tied too gold.
While the 99 cap is true, different ways to progress that skill will cannibalize the other methods based on either gold or exp.
8:55 Not putting your quiver on bag slot 4 is WILD
Crazy tho
Hunters have a better chance being nerfed and getting a 2 bag slot quiver.
Can't wait for the Level 58 Boost & WoW Token
MadSeason told us so, by the way.
@@BennyColynstill cant find it in classic era, hardcore and SoD? What exactly did madseason say?
i like to imagine someone inside blizzard seeing this and taking it unironically, that'd be kinda tragic but also funny in a way
This would be a good addition. I’m going to buy gold anyway, might as well make it legal. Also cuts down on the bots a bit.
@@JoshThomas20XX People cry about Wowtokens, but the reason it exists is because people were gold buying, and they were so incapable of not buying gold that this time it was added 3 expacs early.
Looks like Blizzard's taking the Turtle WoW ideas finally...
Especially the cosmetics shop, I am sure.
It's a maybe but we'll see what happens.
I guess Twow 2.0 really woke them up.
Turtle is down right now. Was hacked ~24 hours ago. Slurs were showing up as server wide system messages and then it was shut down. Supposedly will be back up within the next few hours, but nothing yet.
well Turtle WoW is a banger. Love it - it‘s even up since 2018. Classic is up since 2019 and now with Cata I don’t play it anymore.
So TWoW won my heart❤ played long for free but decided to finally give them some well deserved money. they earned it more than blizzard with how they work and ban bots etc
If the survey is real, I can't help but thinking "Do you want flying mount?" is a fitler question and they discard anyone who answered "yes" to flying mount
Can flying mounts even work in the classic world? It would take a world overhaul wouldn’t it?
@@mards2479 Yeah, and I really don't want to revamp old azeroth
High Elves and Goblin being Classic + makes sense
Blizzard. Please. People like classic BECAUSE it is slow. Stop trying to speed it up. You're getting rid of the chicken in a KFC bucket.
A LFG Bulletin Board in Cities or clicking on Meeting stones at Dungeons pulling up LFG could work aswell. Or being in a Tavern using the world to increase immersion.
I think this is the way to go. Don't automate things, but make it easier for people to connect.
100% yes to this. Keep things immersive, a bulletin board or tavern is perfect for LFG. Imagine hanging out in a tavern with other adventurers while you form a group, that sounds super comfy.
I still don't understand how the same people that complain about everything Blizz does in retail seem to think they could ever build something they wouldn't find objectionable as part of a so called classic+.
Small class tuning... just to make them every class and spec viable. New zones, new dungeons, new quests. New 60 loot.
This.
Some of these questions are really worrying, like they have 0 clue what makes classic great
All a successful Classic+ really needs is some class balance, finishing of abandoned questlines, some cleaning up of weird game mechanics and then some extra end game content can be added later.
Other things they could consider adding is an alternative to spamming Battlegrounds for PvP (maybe even its own version of Arena with a Vanilla twist to it- just make it viable to do either as per preference), more quests between level 40 and 60 (or at least make the quests that exist give more experience) and some actual incentive for classes to wear the 'correct' armour types.
And reduce the number of Black Lotus needed for flasks. You can buff drops all you like, but if you still need a lot it'll be botted immediately regardless. Maybe have vendors around the world that will trade herbs for other herbs so you can at least farm your way to getting a Lotus if you pick enough Gromsblood, as an example) - just don't make it so generous that its the preferred method otherwise bots will be all over that too.
Or, you know, do something about the bots. And have GM's actively maintain servers and interact with the community like back then.
Classic doesn't need any balance at all, that's what made classic so good.
@@masonhales no, it need giga balance or it will be again World of Warriors.
@@prayerh1no Who cares if everyone plays the same thing? Follow the original WoW devs and just add passionate cool stuff to the game and let the players do whatever they want
@@masonhalesCorrect, CLASSIC doesn't need it, however CLASSIC + does, bring warriors down a peg, bring Ret/shadow/balance up to par, it wouldn't take much
That sounds remarkably too safe to be considered classic +. Turtle Wow is the perfect model - new areas and quests not just at end game.
I just want a fresh TBC man...
I like SOD but it seems a little extreme in class changes. For me Classic+ was minor class changes and a focus on content like raids, 5 man dungeons and quests in line with vanilla's philosophy. For example most paladins simply asked for crusader strike and a taunt.
gaming nowadays is meta based. None will play a subpar class knowing warriors can outperform everyone. Very few people like era and that's why blizzard do not care.
Yeah as a paladin main a taunt and crusader strike are all I really want. I'd also move some talents around in the tree but I could live without that.
So true man we never asked for divine storm. They just gave it to us… lol
@@highlordsilverhand1228 I think SoD is Blizzard throwing everything at the wall to see what will stick.
@@highlordsilverhand1228
Divine Storm feels sooo good, but it's the kind of temtpation that needs to be resisted to build a proper Classic+.
I agree with everyone saying Crusader Strike and a Taunt.
Classic plus need barbershop too... its important!
Yeah. It doesn't do anything to the people who don't care and for us who like to change our character once in a while it is amazing. And yet another gold sink. The game really needs them!
Yes, but I think it should be limited. Just like it was when it first was introduced!
100% true!
yes
yes but not race
Horizontal progression, keeping most content “challenging“. Could take lots of hints from GuildWars 2
after seeing how sod turned out? i dont trust blizzard to do a classic plus properly
SoD has more players playing then Classic Era via the numbers. Currently, Classic era has 17, 212 and SoD has 40,692. Thats a massive success even with losing people in P2 and P3.
@@andrew2616 Classic+ only makes sense if it is similar to Era in being a permanent place with progression content over time. It should have a very long-term lifespan compared to SoM and SoD which seem to appeal more to FOTM and adhd players.
@@CrusaderZealot i will never understand people complaining about the term "season". Every fresh classic era is a season itself and every retail expansion is a season. Who cares if it's called "discovery" or "deviate delight"? It eventually ends and people is going to ask for a fresh version...
@@andrew2616 take into account of population growth and you start to see why
think about it deadpool vs wolverine is on set to be the number one movie to make the most money because it is the only one people can see without an ag333nda shoved down their throats
@@andrew2616 where did you find those numbers?
My problem with a lot of QoL changes is taht its just one step after another of turning players into bots for content. The barriers force people to talk to each other. I wish changes would prioritize more social interactions, which often don't happen during game play. It happens during the boat ride. The cross country journey to the dungeon. Or at least it used to.
I agree wholeheartedly
Pretty sure whatever blizz tries to do, they will fail…just a corporate money maker at this point
Yeah whatever new thing they do like SoD or anything beyond that has been done for the past couple years by private servers by now. They are just late to whatever hype exists and solely make updates and versions to pad their quarterly reports and its sad that people have FOMO and some type of fear of population and would rather play blizzards version of the game and pay 20 dollars a month when instead they could just play on private servers with 10000x better and more cultivated communities
@@bookbookbook1you know what scares me the most is that private servers are managed way better. Especially community wise. I personally think that's a huge reason why so many stay or prefer private servers. On classic I had to switch realms three times because my realms I always choose die since there are always one or two idiots that cause a server wide panic "because the population is low". I started on patchwerk eu transferd to venoxis eu with some alts when za hit since we were like 70 people left playing actively. Left my main on patchwerk and played it into wotlk with some buddy's on the realm died again in December 2023 after a revival. Meanwhile venoxis alliance also died twice before wotlk prepatch and 3 weeks after wrath release. .
@@bookbookbook1 private servers are generally less stable and are often run on old client which make them laggy or ugly.
also, yes the questions seem VERY directed at whatever token effort they're willing to put in, instead of actually asking the community what they would like to see done different
imo, a Classic+ is an opportunity to reinvent the world (lore, locations, factions and their interactions, etc) without reinventing the game (class mechanics, interface, social tools, etc)
Yes that would be perfect.
Hire the Turtle Team for Classic+ and Hire the Team of Ascension for some fucking freaky Gamemodes or new Ideas for new Speccs, because their Dark Ranger Concept is awesome, aswell as Cryomancer, Locust and Grove Ranger, Eldritch Knight, Lei Shen Thunder Bear..
No, Ascension is really bad
@@Robin...222 no its actually really good, stop spreading misinformation
I've seen footage from Ascension. It is overhyped and basically living rent-free in the heads of those that can be easily swayed by a single word.
Also: Breaking IP laws.
Nahhh! You know damn well if they get hired they're just another cog in the machine and won't be able to get their full idea potential across.
@@thepurpleshade486the last time I played was season 2-4 and it was really bad I remb the p2w book. Leadership is also very corrupted
I think phase one of SoD actually got the classes just about right with what they added to each of them. Just one or two extra buttons to press, nothing to crazy, but you could play the class you wanted to in the spec you wanted to. They may not have been the best, but you might bring other tools that make you super useful, Ret pallies for buffs, Feral for wind furry for example, and I think it'd be best to lean harder into that.
I think it'd be cool for them to make leveling an even longer process as well, because I feel that was what a lot of classic was about. For example you hit 25, and there is a quest chain you need to do in BFD to unlock the next bracket. Give us a reason to redo some of the things that worked well in SoD (Like the leveling raids) for more than just gear, I'm not talking anything major, just basically clear the raid twice or something. I just don't want them focusing on only endgame, I don't think that's in the spirit of classic.
Lol no they didn’t
Yeah, this is actually a good nuanced take. I don't think locking leveling behind raiding would be great, I think we should reserve the right to allow people to play in whatever way they like (including basically completely solo).
But, I totally agree that phase 1 was plenty of new class tweaks--I think a couple of later things were also good and should stick around like the summoning closet, or 1 hour weapon imbues. But yeah, the point should just be to make everything more viable, and add the new class identities (i.e. allow more tanks and healers). Not make us ridiculously OP so we just steam roll everything.
The only problems in classic wow are the fact that your class can be dogshit at level cap; either because it's a 2 button class, or they're completely unviable. They don't need to be perfectly balanced, but you should be able to be viable no matter what, and you should have something to do other than cast shadowbolt to maximize your dps. That's genuinely all they need to do, and then continue to add fun stuff and more of the long quest lines people like. I also think adding achievements and titles would be cool and give people stuff to do that is still in the classic spirit.
We don't need dailies, we don't need 35 runes, we really, really don't need incursions, etc.
they simply added more to the classes, it only felt good because you only had 5% of the class unlocked anyways, and they added 30% more for shaman for example.
i for example think shaman can be changed quite a bit and its role as buffing dps improved without breaking it. i think stormstrike cd on 10 sec cooldown is perfect and teh 6 sec broke enhancer and made it loose its role.
in my opinion stormstrike should add a debuff that proccs like lightningshield but on the boss and it can be procced by your entire raid and if it gets proccd it can reset stormstrike etc.
makes shaman only a "good" dps in a raid setting and doesnt break him as a solo class because of hybrid. those are just small ideas that keep its theme avoid the negatives and work like classic.
or teh lightningshield talent in the enhancer tree being a changing talent that on 1 point makes it aoe 2 points make it procc on attacks and 3 points make it get an increased aggro, so dps would take 2 points and tank would take 3 points keeping the natures planned chaos a little more shown aswell.
it also has more aspects which makes me a genius with thinking up that stuff but i wont bother the casuals here too much glad if you read this much.
@@555ticklemeelmo I agree with some and not others. I don't really agree with the idea of adding more tanks and healers. First off a lot of these were really poorly implemented. It also really broke the balance and class identity of quite a few of the classes. i.e. mages should never have been allowed to heal. This completely breaks what is already one of if not the strongest class in all of classic. All they really need to do is make the existing tanks and healers balanced and viable. If warriors aren't the only viable tank in the game then that opens up a lot of stuff. Paladins being made better would be massive for tanking and feral druids are actually pretty decent but could maybe use a tweek or two probably oriented around being able to get defense cap or making them uncritable by a raid boss some how.
The only class i think has an argument for being given a new role is shaman being able to tank. This is partially due to shamans being the parallel of paladins for the horde and if paladins can tank that means the horde effectively has one less tank. Shaman also has talents and abilities clearly designed with tanking originally in mind. things like rockbiter weapon for extra threat, armor and defense talents in the enhance tree, totems like stoneskin and stoneclaw. All you would really need to do is revamp this existing base of abilities to enable them to be able to tank.
vanilla leveling 1-59 is nearly perfect. endgame is where the game needs some love
If gdkp is allowed, i wont be there.
are you still playing SoD?
@@henri3672 Absolutely. Just not taking it as seriously because I dont currently have a raid night. Retail is taking priority raid wise, but even then, its basically donezo till AWW.
Let me know what your problem with gdkp's is, id like to hear a not braindead opinion on it that i can debunk in a second thanks to SoD.
Damn it’s just about money. Classic+ should have been THE classic original rerelease of Vanilla WoW. They could have devs make new content in the spirit of vanilla and finish and release unfinished content that never made it in game. Of course Activision now wants it when we’re at Cata classic. Because they know everyone is done. Look at Osrs compared to wow classic. One is continuously rising while the other is a reanimated corpse.
This was my argument from the beginning. Better late than never I suppose.
then it would not have been Classic Wow on re-release. . . You know, the version everybody wanted. #Nochanges Sigh.....cant believe i had to explain that
The problem with this was the #nochanges crowd was SO ABSURDLY LOUD when the classic rerelease was on the way made this impossible without insane uproar. Even the minimal changes uploaded to era in the last few weeks caused so many people to scream and cry that they reverted the (honestly not game-changing) changes.
@@mariogallego5513 If you took a second to actually read the comment instead of touting your lack of comprehension skills for everyone to see, then you would understand I meant *after* phase 4 dropped. Instead of rereleasing each expansion that led to WoW's decline in the first place, they could have simply started making new zones in the spirit of Vanilla.
Vanilla is not perfect, its just the best version of the game we have. If they want to make new zones, raids, dungeons that fit the spirit of the game, then they would be able to print money. Its that simple. Go look up OSRS.
Break the world buff meta; cap world buffs at 1. It will make designing new content significantly easier
OR, IF WE ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE WORLD BUFFS
put an NPC in SW / ORG that gives you all the world buffs, once per week.
I want things like Dire Cat form, with questlines fleshed out for iconic class abilities. Cat form should have a quest added for instance. Good god give me dire cat.
People would complain that the quest is too hard,long,expensive, etc. If there is anything you can gather from the playerbase it is that 90% will complain no matter what is done.
@@brandonwilson4740 it is the internet. Millions of people so the fact that people complain isn't relevant. You are conflating that fact that SOMEONE will complain with the idea that EVERYONE complains which just isn't true.
I kinda agree with both of you guys.
I'd really love to see more class quests for iconic skills, however, I don't think the quests should require a group, but rather, they should just be difficult solo challenges that enhance the RP feel for the class.
Dual spec is rhe most important thing. Its a win win. Need to encourage more tanks and healers
Dual spec encourages a more strict meta game where now in raid I'll be expected to have one spec for single target/boss and another for aoe/trash. And then I still have to respec to PvP, etc... This also removes the identity that comes from the personal choice of tailoring your talents towards a particular strength in raid. More homogenization = less identity = less social interaction = retail.
As someone who runs tanks and healers, dps needs to learn how aggro f***ing works.
Nuking something the moment the tank is 5 yds away from it is the dumbest s*** y'all can do. Can't wait 5 seconds for the tank to round up a bunch of mobs, then whine about how long the run is taking one small pull at a time, completely ignorant of the fact it is far far easier quicker and smoother to let the tank hold aggro instead of forcing tank to pull aggro off of you then hold it. Especially if starting flat footed with no rage.
The reason you don't have tanks is because 1) People don't want the responsibility and 2) Why would i tank when you only need 1-2 for raids? I'm going to tank dungeons for tanking gear that I dont get to use? If a dungeon requires 1 tank, 1 healer, and 3 dps then a 20m raid should be tuned to require 4 tanks, 4 healers, and 12 dps. Dual spec only makes my bags full af trying to carry all the extra gear around.
now you have the problem of aoe healing abilities that suck up too much mana and single target healing that doesn't overheal all the time
@@rinpy I'm mostly in favor of duel-spec, but I think you skillfully articulated some very fair points.
Sometimes I want an RP realm where there is no respec, so you better get it right.
NAME PLATE VISABILITY
A lot could be added, everything just need pros and cons.
Summoning stones? Sure, lots of pros there. The con should be: only usable by players within the dungeon level req. We dont want level 1 or 60's abusing these.
Instant mails? I think not, but if you want that...the con coud be: You have to pay a fee for instant delivery, which equals X, Y, Z.....like in the real world.
Everything should not be a direct QoL improvement; there has be some sort of con that balance it out.
Guild Banks? Sure, but make sure you can only be the owner of ONE guild bank per server. Else people will abuse it.
Toy/Collection tab ? Yes please, but do not make it sharable between all characters....
"Everything should not be a direct QoL improvement; there has be some sort of con that balance it out."
Smart man.
I'm not the most hardcore of classic players, but I've played wow since vanilla and I did receive a classic+-style survey on 26 July.
Will be interesting to see how they approach it. I would be worried they will add a lot of retail stuff to it overtime.
Classic wow with TBC class design, talents and itemisation with additional dungeons and raids = perfect wow ( just my opinion)
They only think about how they can include a shop into classic plus.
whats wrong about race or faction change(if the server balance stays) i love changing my race to mix it up after months.
@@bestjal654 Because it doesn't make any sense for an Orc to suddenly be a Human. An Orc should be an Orc, and a Human should be a Human.
@@VegetoStevieD you kidding me? i dont play that game for any lore shit. who cares
@@bestjal654 "who cares"
Blizzard writers and the real fans care about the lore.
Drawing the line to osrs is good. People have to realize that the emphasis is on the "plus", it won't be classic
NO CHANGES
I'd love more lore and more diverse content in mid/late game. I love classic but on higher levels the difficulty is simply "do the same thing longer/more often" and that repetitiveness just bores me out every time.
The arrow quiver in the middle of the regular bags makes me unreasonably mad 😂
Well...your takes are from someone who is a Progressive Classic player, sadly. Most of the Classic players that were looking forward to a Plus weren't intent on some of these types of changes. Minor class tweak here and there and new content to include a couple of dungeons and some 10-20 man raid content with maybe a new 40 man at some point down the road after launch.
I say make the summoning stone the group finder. To sign up for the dungeon you have to go there and click the stone
I'd like to see Vanilla, but more in depth and polished. More class and profession quests, more viable customizations, loot that's different not just powered up, etc.
I want unlimited quest log. I hate having to prune my quest log.
I am actually craving another new classic boom. I miss 2019. Man that sounds odd
I’d love to see high elves in the game.
As long as they dont touch Classic Era they can imply any chang they want in their seasonal servers. Classic era tho should stay untouched
It would be nice if my UI didn't break every time they updated their seasonal stuff. I'd sure like for Era to be a stable experience.
The biggest things I want to see:
Revamp the talent tree and balance classes better, but not to the extent of SoD where they completely remake every class. There are a lot of talent trees that just make me wonder what in the world they were thinking. Such as: why are neither of the first row talents in Enhancement particularly interesting for a melee DPS?
Move the Menethil Harbor boats to Stormwind.
Straighten the flight paths that take you on the scenic routes, adding time to your flight for no good reason, and clean up some of the connections on multi-segment routes.
Instant mail between players.
A posting board in-game to help bring groups together rather than needing to spam chat.
Meeting stones capable of summoning people that require as many people as warlocks (ie, 3).
Get rid of all the world buffs, or at least not have them be usable inside instances.
Go to the TBC consumable limit of 1 of each of 2 types of elixir or 1 flask.
Nerf flasks to comparable power level from future expansions (both effect and materials), make Black Lotus potentially drop from all high level herbs instead of being a separate node, then put an alchemy lab in Stonard and wherever the alliance artisan alchemy trainer is, assuming it's in a similar out-of-the-way place (if not, put it in Nethergarde just to be the corresponding alliance place to Stonard). If they did all of the last three, I would actually consider raiding again.
Dual-spec, but it costs money (or more realistically, some sort of consumable that costs money/effort) to change, and have it not be too cheap to change. I'm not against the idea of dual-spec, but there should be a heavy cost associated with using it constantly. I would prefer it to be more along the lines of a second saved talent spec along with the ability to respec in the field rather than just at the trainer. Also: Shaman need to save their 2h Axe and Mace skill after respecing.
They better not fuckin touch era
Poll features per server. Implement them per server. Let each server fulfill a different style of the game. Not sure about letting people just switch, but people having alts on a server is fine. Perhaps ask feedback after a month of running a feature?
All I want is them polling literally any change in-game, that should be the only initial change.
How about allowing players to toggle between classic graphic textures and modern/improved graphic textures. Same for spell effects.
Flying should not be put in a Classic server in my opinion. Faster ground mounts? Yes, but the world of Azeroth lost a bit of its wonder when it became possible to just fly over everything right until you reached your destination.
I would rather just get Fresh Progression servers with some minor changes like dual-spec, buff cap removal, heroism being raid wide, ect ect.
Nothing massively game changing, just minor quality of life improvements.
Just let me get back to TBC...
This why WoW Will die, cuz u scumbags don't want a change that is friendly to new players but to nostalf4gs
TBC season of Mastery pls
What makes Classic Classic for me is less about "this specific set of content" and more about how it is presented, and how it functions. I like that you're a guy, in a world, and not the Champion of Azeroth. I don't like giant inset cutscenes. I like having to methodically build your character and deal with fussy details that add verisimilitude. I wouldn't mind them adding playable races, so long as those are things that are already in the game. We never needed Pandarens or Fox things, or ten million kinds of elves, dwarves, trolls, etc. Those could just be options when you pick that race. What would have been cool is if we could then play Furbolgs, Gnolls, Goblins, Ogres, Worgen, Centaurs, Quillboars,
One thing that would cut down on alt-itis, is if they allowed a single character to learn all, or most of the classes, or at least all the classes available to that race, somewhat like FFXIV, where you switch between classes. What I'd really like is for characters to be able to learn Class skills (e.g. Fire, Ice, Arcane for Mage) from trainers as independent skill tracks, and then they can just mix and match their own playing style, but that quickly becomes complicated to discuss, so I'll stop there. But I'd also like there not to be a limit on professions.
I'm kind of against collections, at least spanning between characters. I think the idea is ok for a given character, just to preserve appearances and whatever without having to fill up your bank vault with things you're never going to use. It would be cool if, with a craft that your character knows, you could produce a clothing item that had the stats/effects of one particular item, but the appearance of another item you also know how to make from that same craft. This is not glamours/transmogs, this is just stylistic crafting. If you're going to have an effect that allows you to disguise one item to look like another via illusion, that should be a spell in the Arcane/illusion school.
Mounts should be treated more like hunter pets. Like you can have some very small number of them loaded personally, and the rest are stored in a "stable". Flying mounts would be ok if mounts were treated more like actual animals/vehicles, and had limitations. Like maybe you actually need to feed your mounts, and they need to rest to recover, and can only fly so far. Ultimately, you don't want them to be so good that you basically never have to interact with the world again, such as is the case in retail. You make a fair point about the unfinished world, but if they could finish it, that would be ok. Again, I don't mind the content of Retail so much as how it is presented and works. I don't even mind if they add new places or do mild updates on existing places. Expanding Stormwind is fine, tearing up the landscape of existing zones a la Cataclysm is not.
Another thing they could take from FFXIV is having local temporary events, kind of like FFXIV FATES, but maybe more substantial and organic.
I'll go no with dungeon finders. Doing a dungeon should require going to the dungeon and entering.
I'm ok with a certain amount of QOL stuff, as long as it doesn't circumvent going through the world. Guild vaults would be ok, adding a few more flight paths (but not too many, and you still have to initialize them) would be ok.
I hope this never happens and they leave WoW Classic as it is right now!
Dead?
its time for WoW 2
Better graphics, dungeon finder / summoning stones and dual spec would be perfect. No other changes imo
Better graphics???? Hell no bro, we love the Classic aesthetic
Tinkerer class is just engineering prof
GIVE US TBC
Why even ask about flying mounts? Madness.
"Summoning stones outside instances, but you need a Warlock to put some shards in to activate it"
Classic Content Creators never fail to come up with the worst ideas humanly possible.
- They need to unlocked all the locked maps in Azeroth and add new quest/story chains.
- There are total 9 locked map in vanilla Azeroth (with isles)
- They should add new dungeons and few new raids to some of these locked maps ofc. and design new items/gears fit to vanilla culture.
- Some of people dont wanna see GDKP - Bots - Multiboxers - gold sellers and boosters. blizz should take this into consideration.
- BARBERSHOP would be great in vanilla btw. (Except for gender reassignment)
- We want to see the more lore from; The Great war to warcraft3 in vanilla Azeroth!
- WE DONT WANNA PLAY WITH FCKN RETAIL SKILLS ofc!
- We wanna see new races in line with the story of vanilla(warcraft). (maybe worgens cuz worgens shows in 2003 vanilla trailer. maybe high elves, maybe goblins idk)
- More world boss and more wpvp events would be good ofc in line with the lore of vanilla.
- Another arena would be great like grubashi with different chest or reward idk.
I am a 35 year old dad warcraft player, I have cleared vanilla twice before. Now I started again in Zandalar tribe fresh(eu) because SoD(PTR) is a disgrace!
I hope one day they will complete the unfinished vanilla and present it to us...
@@taarruz89 more races hype more races hypee
Classic Fresh when
How about weapon skill lines. You can use any weapon you want which comes with its own skill book and passives. Bring in an altered version of the hero variants. Add a lot more horizontal progression. Increase experience by 25-100% depending on the level. Add limited fast travel style teleport stations, where there might only be 2-3 per continent evenly spaced out. Make mounts accessible by level 10-20 and increase their max possible speed so by level 30-40 you are actually going a decent speed.
Need tmog for classic
bro 42 yard nameplates PLEASE!
50 quests might be a bit much but like 30 would be cool
I save certain quest items in my bags for RP reasons. I end up with 3-5 quests never turned in.
I'd love to be able to carry 30-40 quests.
If they let me play a goblin in classic I'm sold!
I mean technically
Goblins in early Classic would be nice to have for a playable race on the horde long before Cataclysm.
High Elve
Wille you've got such a good head on your shoulders. It's so nice to hear from a classic enjoyer who isn't a full on classic andy.
It's nice because I'm the same! I love classic but I also love modern and I'm having a good time with Cata too. I love comparing and contrasting them and wondering how each could learn from the others while still staying in the same spirit of their era. I feel like you do the same.
End of wow subscription (red pill). Toxic community
Devs have left so much flat out broken with no response in all versions of classic. They don’t have the time/effort to do it right.
More faith when the games we currently pay for are actually working
As long as Devs keep 60 as the level cap and work with talent points and spell ranks for further progression, things will be fine.
Tiers of existing (t.i. retail) content could be added here and there, tied to the story by aptly made quest chains and with a lateral progression gearing.
Outdoor content especially could be added with groups/raids in mind, where players band together to make their way though zones and reach new flight points.
I'd also like if players could quest to open "new" cemeteries and flight points in regular zones (those available in retail).
For summoning stones, you could allow certain classes to "activate" them like locks and mages. However making it near mandatory for a group to have a lock/mage might ruffle some feathers, but then again there is almost never a 5 man without a lock or mage. Although that could create a terrible unintended economy, cough greedy ass mages cough, the last thing we need are even more mages spamming about their "services" in trade chat. I wouldn't mind seeing brand new races added, but not a lot of races actually make sense lore wise. Ogres work for horde all day every day, but any faction that might join the alliance aren't really a thing until future expansions; pandarens, worgen, high elves, mechagnomes, etc. So maybe new races wouldn't work. What I'd really love to see are new dungeons, new raids, new zones, expanded existing zones, and new factions. Just flesh out the world more, it'd be pretty easy considering all the content that was cut from vanilla. I could easily see a new raid being added that comes after Naxx, especially one involving the Emerald Dream which would be awesome and tie into classic lore perfectly imo. Would also be kind of cool to do a raid at the very end that sets up the opening of Karazhan in TBC. You could also introduce the Caverns of Time and add new "old" content to the game, like events from Warcraft 1/2/3.
Yes, adding new content or expanding on existing lore and stories would be great. Really flesh out the world to encourage exploration and take advantage of areas like Azshara that seemed unfinished. SoD seems to be vanilla+ basically, they added alot of quality of life changes plus cool new abilities or class roles, and new or revamped dungeons and raids..... better loot drops that bypass the annoying way stats and skils were done or put on gear, like combine melee/spell hit and crit, or have gear with spellpower so both spell damage and healing.
The one major thing I think they need is the dual spec, even tri spec honestly. Play your class to the max, and have the option to have preset builds for different specs or roles.... in PVE or PVP.
But regarding summoning stones.... forgive my memory as I haven't played classic in a long time, not even this recent re-release of classic.... but I thought there was always a summoning stone outside every dungeon. Is that not true? I seem to remember running dungeons all the time and flying to the dungeon entrance by the meeting stone and waiting on 2 other party memebers cause u needed 3 to summon. Or am I wrong and that was only true for certain dungeons and im confusing meeting stones iwth warlock summons?
high elves for alliance makes perfect sense because of wc2 and wc3 though?
@@snuffeldjuret Yes, High Elves and Ogres are original Alliance and original Horde.
Don't even start talking about flying mounts. F that!
I think you are right about vanilla with a little extra. SoD is trying this and I think we see how well it was doing till phase 4.
7:50 so it's been a lot of years since vanilla.. which is kind of only what I played except for a bit of TBC. IIRC, there was a feature added, which is like our current LFG panel, but you wouldn't be automatically grouped. Instead, you would create/apply to a group in like a sub tab of social, for specific dungeons. Anybody else remember this?
Willies voice infuriates me
My question is, would classic plus be a continuation of SOD? Or would it be a brand new server and everyone has to start at level 1?
If they want hype for classic+ get the original Dev team back together and let them do it.
even if that somehow happened, wow vanilla was only made the exact way it was, BECAUSE it was made 20 years ago. even the exact same dev team would have new preconceived notions of what would make a game fun/immersive. i can assure you that your nostalgia is what makes you believe vanilla wow is the best version. i think tbc was even better than vanilla in almost every way. but there are sooooo many things that are deeply flawed about playing vanilla in the current day. we dont play mmo's to be social anymore, but the entire foundation of vanilla wow was built on the idea that people are playing specifically for the point of being social. whether you agree with some changes or not, doesnt mean that change isnt needed to make vanilla wow more fun to play in the modern era
@@BloodDripssThe devs didnt ruin wow. The playerbase ruined it.
yeah imagine mark kern in 2024 blizzard. this guy is so dumb its insane
I don't trust them to not just make a mockery of classic like they did with SoD, but if I can FINALLY play an undead paladin on official realms...
I would love a wow classic with an outfitter like in lotro or swtor. The ability to look nice would be like having cake and eating it
I disagree. I think it should be the other way around, more visual cues, like you can see what abilities a mob has based on the weapons and armor they carry.
I think "we" want Classic +. Just as it sounds. Don't change things, just add maybe 5-10 levels, and MAYBE MAYBE a talent. It would be fun enough with the 5-10 extra talent points. Add a new dungeon or 3 and raid for the 65+ 70 and a battle ground. All with in the theme of classic, expanding or exploring already in game assets, ie Doors that go to nowhere, or unfinished spaces.
After a year or whatever, make a new server with classic ++ and go a bit more crazy, this time doing all the change like quality of life stuff.
Why do these surveys never get sent out to all players that play classic. Why only a select few?
It's not real lol. The flying in classic question gave it away completely.
@@vasheal All the surveys in the past have always gone to a select few players.
To get word of mouth going, and to see if there is an interest in specific areas. It is not meant to be a polling system like OSRC. At least that is what I think.
@@Manifibell Blizzard will never allow a polling system. Can't let the plebs have a say.
@@CrusaderZealot
There really are too many stupid fans. It's a bad idea. If anything, they could use a fake poll to weed out the stupid ones and find fresh talent to give insight.
I’m going to miss my tank shaman a whole lot… but I think I’d be okay with blizz sticking with the existing classic specs and adding “minor changes”
If there were 2 flight paths I would love to see in Classic Plus (as Alliance), it's North STV and South Felwood.
It is real, I got it July 12th, I can screenshot the email if needed. Also it's absolutely not just a classic + questionnaire, I had loads of fresh Classic questions, like re releasing progressive classic and expansion specific servers. For some reason people are only posting this part that you've shown, it was like a 20 minute long questionnaire
A good thing Classic+ could bring in would be an actual Necromancer class!
ofc its going to happen?
Am I the only one that would love a realm where the retail graphics and all it's QoL features are implemented but the content is just plain vanilla.
I would want classic+ if they added a little bit of content and made the hybrid classes more capable of pve dps or tanking.
Love the video! I have 1 problem with something you said tho, you're assumption that the collection ui would be cross account. A character specific one to get mount, orb of deception, sleeping bag, or other items out of your bag is completely different compared to "free toys and mounts" on alts
For clarification sod added a "collection tab" by removing the trinket requirement on items and making it so you could put them in your key ring. Collection ui would most likely resemble that.
CLASSIC + HYPEE
I always felt the game play in vanilla does speed up from 10th to 40th level. I don't mind the steady grind, then again I never hit 60 in vanilla, but was raiding a couple months before wrath classic came out
9:10 I never have. A way to find a guild that suits you would be really good.
Enchanters making a “enchanted stone of summoning” that can be used on dungeon and raid stones as a consumable
8:46 I think fixing items to stack more efficiently isn't as simple as "buy better bags". I have full 18 slot bags in sod but because elixirs only stack to FIVE I think I'd appreciate it if they adjusted stack numbers. I'm a prot paladin, I have like 7 elixirs I have to carry on me at any time, not even including any gear required to swap for certain fights.
your other gear would be more affected by bigger bags.
@@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas what does this even mean? Yes bigger bags give more slots for gear but why do I need 4x slots to store 20 of 1 elixir/potion each. Just make it stack to 20 and it opens 3 bag slots per elixir/potion. The point isn't just "get bigger bags" just fix the stack numbers.
@@Shadowbathed I am pointing out your need for different set of gear isn't nock on the bigger bags. Since it helps with your bag space issue. Even with your elixir and potion extra slots still helps your bag space issue.
And for most people more slots always help. And it still helps you.
Helping everyone or really helping a smaller number of people which would you do. Larger bags address everyone issues and it address your issue just not in the way you want.
@@Shadowbathedwhy do you need 20 of each? Sounds like you need to get gud and quit wiping
@@brandonwilson4740 Sounds normal req for raiding. Protection potions, elixirs, mana pots, health pots, sharpening stones and oils, food buffs and some short cooldown consumables (fire oil for example) and don't forget engi bombs. And then of course the armor for different resistances or off healing. Most likely still forgot to mention something.
Wow lost me half an year ago to ff14 but i still keep watching your vids as they really are relaxing, informative and overall just very chill to watch ❤
Dual spec and summoning stones is a good idea. I’d be careful about adding anything else!