Reaper's manual is woefully lacking for ReaTune. In fact I think there's a big "?" instead of any info, literally. I did a deep dive though, reading the info from the algorithm developers to try to figure out which algorithm to use. You're absolutely right for unclicking stereo, I think it just doubles up on the processing for a mono vocal. But the soloist algorithm is designed for voice (maybe solo instruments too? don't quote me on that though). It's preserves the formant characteristics of the singing voice while changing the pitch, so it sounds very natural even at larger corrections. the 3.3.3 Pro is more for time stretching and pitch shifting, with this effect you'll end up with chipmunk type effects. You can verify this by trying some extreme corrections... shift up a 4th, for example, you'll get a natural voice from soloist, but a chipmunk from Pro. It's confusing because you'd think, naturally, "of course I want to use pro!" but it's not the case here. Another tip, I usually have, like you, an instance with the time set at 50-100ms, and this keeps it sounding natural. But I also tend to have a ReaTune instance after it, next in the effect chain, set really low, 5ms. I use this for those moments when the first one just can't get the job done, I use it very sparingly, but it's really helpful to reign more difficult things in. Also, on the first page, the overlap, i set to 8x, it increases CPU but instead of tuning small 30 millisecond chunks, makes 8 overlapping windows... I think it gets smoother results.
I have found if the vocals are already close then the auto correction is quick and easy and does a good job. And if there are some notes that auto "snap" to the wrong note, then you can add a manual correction which will overrule the auto correction wherever you apply it. I couldn't find any documentation about this, but it makes sense and seems to line up with reality!
Great idea. I haven't messed much with auto mode or setting the key of the song. I like to leave notes that sound good to me alone and not tune them -- whether they're on the nose or not. But your idea might improve my workflow.
You're right. I have been using Reaper for 4-5 years and the more I learn about it the more I feel like I am just scratching the surface of what it can do with it's already available plug ins that come with Reaper. Between the "Rea" plugins and the also included JS ones, there is a ton of stuff I haven't even tried yet. What a great program at a redicuously low $60 one time price. No subscription or additional monthly or yearly service charges. You own it. @@NLNPNL
@@NLNPNL that's been my experience overall with Reaper. I started out trying out the stock plugins and after I got used to the UI of all the Rea stuff I realized there isn't much reason to buy others
I'm currently doing a project right now in which I'm mixing and mastering with all Reaper plugins. I occasionally miss some plug-in or other, but I can do everything with Reaper.
You actually did not explain what you were trying to achieve with those blue lines. As too many things in Reaper this is not intuitive and very different from working with other pitch correcting tools.
@@NLNPNL LOST, so if you draw the blue line on the note or the pitch line it seems catch 22 and that you did not explain, so still confused. Your blue lines are already on a pitch line as is your waveform so what is adjusting what/where and is there any visual to see the change so you may know what is happening/what you are actually doing. ??.
@@joeking5211 Hey Joe, there's not really much more to it. The red lines are the pitch of the vocal. The blue lines are the lines I drew in to correct the pitch. ReaTune will change the pitch of the red lines (my vocal) closer to the blue lines. If you pause the video at 1:43, you'll see the red lines are generally a little bit flat of the dotted lines on the grid. I draw the blue lines right on the grid. The 'Correction' tab does show the correction as it goes by, but it's basically the blue line and the red lines superimposed. At 2:22 it's very clear what I'm doing -- especially the last three notes. I'm clearly flat on the last E before I drop down to a D. And I've drawn the blue line on that E to correct the pitch.
@@NLNPNL Thks for the replay Keith. Yep, it is really simple, and I guess I was reading too much in to things not really expecting it to be so straight forward. The secret was to grab a vocal and just have a play. I did watch and old vid of Kenny G after yours and things did drop in. Having said that, there is still confusion on the Auto and Manual tabs as to weather they work together or independent, and also setting the key but still being able to shift to non key notes and why you need a Manual checkbox on the Manual Tab dialog when you are already on the (Manual) tab. So while a quick draw of a blue line is super easy for the odd note or two, clearly there is a lot more that it is capable of but so far from obvious which is such a shame if it has power that is locked away due to not knowing. Also, must just say I am only a week in to Reaper from never knowing it's existence, so I am being baptised with fire here and have soo much to get used to with this seemingly endless featured super DAW which seems to be let down only by it's doc so I keep seeing reported by even the long time seasoned users time and time again over this week and a bit, and if it were not for you guys doing these vids maybe I would not still be here . So Thks once again & Kind Rgds.
Joe, my advice for you is to forget about automatic correction. It will correct every note, and you probably don't want that. Just click over to the manual tab and listen to the track. If something bothers you as off-pitch, correct that particular note. The automatic pitch correction might be useful for live performances, or some other use-case I haven't thought of. But I have never used it. And my impression is that most other people don't use it either. Setting the key in the automatic tab, without turning auto correction on, can be useful. It makes it easier to see which notes are in the key of the song. The notes that are out of key have a black x by them, and no dotted lines. But I usually don't bother to do that either. But back to the point, there are too many imperfections that sound good, too many slides up to notes, and too many blues notes that might be out of the song's key to use auto mode. No need to learn about auto mode unless you have a specific use-case that demands it. Thanks for commenting, BTW. It helps the channel.
Reaper's manual is woefully lacking for ReaTune. In fact I think there's a big "?" instead of any info, literally. I did a deep dive though, reading the info from the algorithm developers to try to figure out which algorithm to use. You're absolutely right for unclicking stereo, I think it just doubles up on the processing for a mono vocal. But the soloist algorithm is designed for voice (maybe solo instruments too? don't quote me on that though). It's preserves the formant characteristics of the singing voice while changing the pitch, so it sounds very natural even at larger corrections. the 3.3.3 Pro is more for time stretching and pitch shifting, with this effect you'll end up with chipmunk type effects. You can verify this by trying some extreme corrections... shift up a 4th, for example, you'll get a natural voice from soloist, but a chipmunk from Pro. It's confusing because you'd think, naturally, "of course I want to use pro!" but it's not the case here. Another tip, I usually have, like you, an instance with the time set at 50-100ms, and this keeps it sounding natural. But I also tend to have a ReaTune instance after it, next in the effect chain, set really low, 5ms. I use this for those moments when the first one just can't get the job done, I use it very sparingly, but it's really helpful to reign more difficult things in. Also, on the first page, the overlap, i set to 8x, it increases CPU but instead of tuning small 30 millisecond chunks, makes 8 overlapping windows... I think it gets smoother results.
I have found if the vocals are already close then the auto correction is quick and easy and does a good job. And if there are some notes that auto "snap" to the wrong note, then you can add a manual correction which will overrule the auto correction wherever you apply it. I couldn't find any documentation about this, but it makes sense and seems to line up with reality!
Great idea. I haven't messed much with auto mode or setting the key of the song. I like to leave notes that sound good to me alone and not tune them -- whether they're on the nose or not.
But your idea might improve my workflow.
Great video, short and to the point! Thanks
To the point is my middle name. Actually, that's too long. My middle name is 'terse'.
nice video ---- I think Reatune works well.
@@teashea1 agreed :-)
I have Melodyne but I didn't know this was in Reaper and it seems very similar. Thank tou for the heads up. Great explanation.
Reaper is very deep, 😂. Still many things I don't know about it.
You're right. I have been using Reaper for 4-5 years and the more I learn about it the more I feel like I am just scratching the surface of what it can do with it's already available plug ins that come with Reaper. Between the "Rea" plugins and the also included JS ones, there is a ton of stuff I haven't even tried yet. What a great program at a redicuously low $60 one time price. No subscription or additional monthly or yearly service charges. You own it. @@NLNPNL
Great tutorial and to the point. Thank you for uploading the vid
@@videowatcher4006 thanks for the nice comment!
thank you so much. appreciate the short video too. reason i watched it. now ive subscribed and will watch more of your vids for sure
Thanks! Yes, my philosophy is to not make a 15 minute video if 5 minutes will do.
good info. in 5 minutes. thank you!
Thanks for watching!
What! When was this added to reaper?
I don't know, but it's been there since I remember.
Can ReaTune be used to correct a track with fretless bass?
ReaTunes seems not to recognize the deep tones
Try increasing the window size parameter to 100ms or longer.
Song slaps
Thanks!
So reaper gives free Reatune, so it's not worth buying Wave Tune?
I haven't used Waves tune, but it makes sense to try Reatune first, right?
@@NLNPNL Yes sir, I feel that
I have used Melodyne for a few years and I love it but this Reatune seems like a nice free.@@NLNPNL
@@NLNPNL that's been my experience overall with Reaper. I started out trying out the stock plugins and after I got used to the UI of all the Rea stuff I realized there isn't much reason to buy others
I'm currently doing a project right now in which I'm mixing and mastering with all Reaper plugins. I occasionally miss some plug-in or other, but I can do everything with Reaper.
Do u know how to tuning 432hz any midi instruments include drum?
That would be individual to the instruments. In terms of ReaTune, you can change the reference pitch to 432Hz, or whatever you like.
You actually did not explain what you were trying to achieve with those blue lines. As too many things in Reaper this is not intuitive and very different from working with other pitch correcting tools.
The blue lines correct the pitch. If you draw a blue line on the note A, the pitch will be corrected to the note A.
@@NLNPNL LOST, so if you draw the blue line on the note or the pitch line it seems catch 22 and that you did not explain, so still confused. Your blue lines are already on a pitch line as is your waveform so what is adjusting what/where and is there any visual to see the change so you may know what is happening/what you are actually doing. ??.
@@joeking5211 Hey Joe, there's not really much more to it. The red lines are the pitch of the vocal. The blue lines are the lines I drew in to correct the pitch. ReaTune will change the pitch of the red lines (my vocal) closer to the blue lines. If you pause the video at 1:43, you'll see the red lines are generally a little bit flat of the dotted lines on the grid. I draw the blue lines right on the grid.
The 'Correction' tab does show the correction as it goes by, but it's basically the blue line and the red lines superimposed.
At 2:22 it's very clear what I'm doing -- especially the last three notes. I'm clearly flat on the last E before I drop down to a D. And I've drawn the blue line on that E to correct the pitch.
@@NLNPNL Thks for the replay Keith. Yep, it is really simple, and I guess I was reading too much in to things not really expecting it to be so straight forward. The secret was to grab a vocal and just have a play. I did watch and old vid of Kenny G after yours and things did drop in. Having said that, there is still confusion on the Auto and Manual tabs as to weather they work together or independent, and also setting the key but still being able to shift to non key notes and why you need a Manual checkbox on the Manual Tab dialog when you are already on the (Manual) tab. So while a quick draw of a blue line is super easy for the odd note or two, clearly there is a lot more that it is capable of but so far from obvious which is such a shame if it has power that is locked away due to not knowing. Also, must just say I am only a week in to Reaper from never knowing it's existence, so I am being baptised with fire here and have soo much to get used to with this seemingly endless featured super DAW which seems to be let down only by it's doc so I keep seeing reported by even the long time seasoned users time and time again over this week and a bit, and if it were not for you guys doing these vids maybe I would not still be here . So Thks once again & Kind Rgds.
Joe, my advice for you is to forget about automatic correction. It will correct every note, and you probably don't want that.
Just click over to the manual tab and listen to the track. If something bothers you as off-pitch, correct that particular note.
The automatic pitch correction might be useful for live performances, or some other use-case I haven't thought of. But I have never used it. And my impression is that most other people don't use it either.
Setting the key in the automatic tab, without turning auto correction on, can be useful. It makes it easier to see which notes are in the key of the song. The notes that are out of key have a black x by them, and no dotted lines. But I usually don't bother to do that either.
But back to the point, there are too many imperfections that sound good, too many slides up to notes, and too many blues notes that might be out of the song's key to use auto mode.
No need to learn about auto mode unless you have a specific use-case that demands it.
Thanks for commenting, BTW. It helps the channel.