Did you think of adding the artifact lands? With the commander out, the red artifact land becomes a dual land. You can tap them to help activate the commander's ability too.
Great Deck Tech, love to see a commander both similar to Urza and also with Snoop lines. You are right on Howling Mine. It's such a bait. Once you play it your commander will be the main target for removal and suddenly all your opponents draw even more cards. Not a good include.
I thought about it in my list but swapped eye of Veena. Draws when it enters and basically gives one draw per turn for one mana because it can help pay for its own ability.
If you follow the naming convention of "bolt", then: 3 damage = "bolt" 2 damage = "shock" 1 damage = "jab" However, most people I know call one damage a "ping". It's the onomatopoeia for a high-pitched metallic sound. On topic, she seems fine, but Urza bringing the Karn-struct and access to blue makes the comparison pretty surface-level. I'm going to try out Daryl before I even giver Meria a second look.
Is Birgi/harenfel a consideration for the deck? On the one hand, you could be adding the red mana with birgi just for casting the rocks, possibly adding a way to filter to the Kiki jiki combo. On the flip side, if your commander gets too targeted, then you can use the harenfel side to dig through the deck for answers and fill your graveyard for breach.
Honestly I like it. This was just a standard Gruul sheel. Really similar to what all other gruul decks have been doing so fare. But I have a feeling we might move more towards mass artifact storm.
@@cedhtv I think that’s where this deck goes from a cedh perspective. Making it an optional birgi secondary option and having a cloud stone curio combo or a storm combo. I’m not sure. It just seems like a good variable oprion
I’m so happy to see you put ghirapur aether-grid in the deck cause I thought about it immediately when this commander was revealed, perfect fit for this strategy and also one of my favourite cards
When I saw this spoiled I new I'd be seeing a cedh TV video. Really excited for this one, big fan of artifact decks. Been tuning my breya deck for a while and I'm ready to build this
I'm not sure what to cut, but if drannith magistrate is that much of a problem, it would be good to see another answer to it in the list, maybe lightning bolt? Umezawas jitte also could answer drannith/opposing dorks and taps for a green with commander.
@@cedhtv I think maybe delayed blast fireball could also fit in the deck? Decent at 3 mana, and gas if you hit it off meria without paying the foretell cost
Hi Mons, no shade intended, but just so you (and everyone else) know, the red goblin Conspicuous Snoop is pronounced, Con-spick-you-ous snoop :) Conspicuous means “standing out,” or, “being obviously visible.” Many Americans too, struggle with the spelling of this word haha I have friends all the time who call it con-spish-ous, and it drives me insane 😂 I’m a writer. I guess that’s why. Thanks for the video! You’re my go-to guy for all things edh
Ok i really am digging this deck. I really love that its gruul and not something gruul normally does. I wish i had more pieces for this so i can really build it in earnest.
Iv gotta say iv been watching your videos for a long time and I'm so happy you made a video with this commander. I was wondering well i was planning on making this a deck and if I send you a my deck list with this commander would you take a look at it and possibly give me some pointers?
Urza deck usually runs eye of vecna instead of howling mine, any reason to run mine instead? How bout dualcaster twinflame combo, seems compact enough.
I personally like 1 card combos. In decks that cant tutor that much 2 card combo can be tricky. So we can get to snoop quite consistent. But Dual caster and twinflame gets tricky.
Mons, do you think Raggadragga is actually just a better stax gruul commander compared to Meria? A lot of artifacts in Meria feels like dead in the water once she got interacted with.
The main problem I found with the recruiter combo was that being that is has a pile of 4 cards (including recruiter) it is easy to exile a key part when digging with exile ability. Hitting Kiki-Kiki and not being able to cast it sucks, an most of the time you can't because of the RRR. Also the grinding station/breach combo can't win through Rod/ouphe. The other issue with the recruiter line is you really want red mana not lots of G. It would be better if you had a mono green combo pack consisting of creatures, maybe two cards. This gives you less chance of accidental exile which in my limited testing happened way to often. At least if the Combo parts are green you have more chance you can cast them from exile with your artifacts.
Is there any merit in building Meria over Jetmir? I wanted to build a Jetmir stax but I also got the good old Winter Orb and the likes that makes me want to build Meria instead.
Have you considered Cloudstone Curio/Dockside lines? You have so many 1cmc creatures to bounce back with Dockside that it seems trivial. Create infinite treasures, exile and play your deck. It could replace the Snoop line and free up space for other things.
It is hard to tutor for cloustone in gruul. It is more or less a 2 card combo. While snoop is a 1 card combo. I personally think it is better to run 1 card combos in decks like this because we need to have consistensy. Also it is a creature and it is easy to tutor for creatues with green.
did you put the goblin recruiter pile wincon in this deck cuz its really good or did you just want to show us / popularize/ test another mono red wincon?
So Kiki Combos... Why would you use Zealous conscripts when you have cheaper options? The way Combat Celebrant is worded it says it untaps all tapped creatures you control when you exert it. It doesn't specify the creature needs to be attacking. What about using Hyrax Tower Scout? It untaps a creature when it enters, you're in green so you have that option. And is the "Gain control of target permanent" better than Coercive Recruiter's ability "Whenever Coercive Recruiter or another Pirate enters the battlefield under your control, gain control of target creature until end of turn."? I mean, it seems to me I'd Pick Coercive Recruiter over Zealous Conscripts any day. Because then if I'm running Dockside I can infinitely copy Dockside so in case there is something that prevents me from attacking I can still combo off with infinite mana and casts from the top of my library. Its a corner case to be sure, but its just that little bit better imo. I mean, Imperial Recruiter can't get any of them since all of them have 3 or more power. But also Green isn't lacking in creature tutors. If I want to be mana efficient, Combat Celebrant or Hyrax Tower Scout seem to be the way to go, but if I want inevitability Coercive Recruiter seems to be a better choice. Sorry if this is a bit rambly, I Just think Zealous conscripts is a bit outclassed here.
Zealous conscripts is actually a good card in cEDH. you can steal cards from opponents and sometimes that dose a lot. Also 5 mana for it is not a big problem. This deck has a lot of mana.
Very excited for this commander! I decided to go a more heavy stax version of the deck that includes food chain. I'm personally on blood moon and magus bc there's also null rod/ouphe/karn/and the orbs/spheres, so just overall denying all the mana seems good.
My idea for this deck is along the Stax theme. The main combo is Karn and Mycosynth Lattice that locks down opponents from ever doing anything again. Forcing them to concede or guaranteeing you find a combo that shows a win.
Im a believer that dorks in this deck are "bad". If your commander is out, any dork drawn is just a worse 0 or 1 cmc artifact. Yeah you get screwed if drannith comes down, but rather than dorks I'd rather just run removal. What roll do dorks play in this deck in the end. We dont really need to ramp fast for anything, and replacing some of the dorks with other artifacts helps us draw more in the end. Just my 2 cents, but when I build this deck this is the route I'll be taking so I'll be able to test it out.
I was searching and came to the same conclusion the other day. If you're gonna take this to cEDH you NEED to play Collector Ouphe and Null Rod. People are gonna get TONS of dockside value against this deck and those two are the only things that are gonna keep your opponents from actually using all those treasures. Also, Drannith Magistrate is what Lightning Bolt is for.
Great deck tech, really excited for gruul artifacts. By the way, conspicuous is pronounced Con-spick-you-us… super weird pronunciation I know haha even hard as a native English speaker
I think you could go for a more focused breach strategy if you wanted to. You don’t have many tutors that can grab breach but Meria is also a card draw engine. So you can flip through your deck pretty quick.
You actually said it there. We don't have that many tutors. Basically gamble. Snoop can be really consistent. We have a lot of tutors in green for creatures.
We are producing so much green mana with the artifacts, why not go for Tooth and Nail entwined and win with something like: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Zealous Conscripts / Great Oak Guardian / Hyrax Tower Scout
With Meria there's a funny lock with void mirror and possibility storm With meria you can impulse the top card and play it so you're unaffected by void mirror Your opponents, not so much
I only have a doubt relative to the snoop combo: if you have infinite copies of conspicuous snoop thanks to Kiki jiki, how con you deal 1 damage for each goblin sacrificed? Mogg fanatic says “sacrifice mogg fanatic: Mogg fanatic deals 1 damage to target creature or player”, but conspicuous snoop don’t says that it becomes the card on top of your library, it says it “has all activated abilities of that card”, so you could win only if you have infinite Mogg fanatic, but you don’t! I’ll be happy to be denied because I’m super horny about this commander and would love to build it
You will give all snoop the mogg fanatic activated ability when you use the last snoop copy to target goblin recruter to shuffle the deck and place any number of goblins on top. This time you place mogg fanatic on top and now all snoop goblins have the ability.
201.4b. If an ability of an object refers to that object by name, and an object with a different name gains that ability, each instance of the first name in the gained ability that refers to the first object by name should be treated as the second name.
@@shinigami_0127I also made that comment at least a year ago. I was just explaining my question since you asked, and didn't think to clarify that I had since figured it out
Did you think of adding the artifact lands? With the commander out, the red artifact land becomes a dual land. You can tap them to help activate the commander's ability too.
Yea I built a list and I run the red one and citadel, iffy on the citadel, but the red one seems like a pretty free and good include.
On one hand I can't sleep and it's 4am. On the other I get cEDH content.
haha sorry!
I appreciate the hell out of you Mons. Once again coming in clutch with a deck tech for the exact commander I’m trying to brew
if you have grafdiggers cage out when you go for the snoop combo just exile the torch courier off the top with Meria's ability.
True!
Great Deck Tech, love to see a commander both similar to Urza and also with Snoop lines. You are right on Howling Mine. It's such a bait. Once you play it your commander will be the main target for removal and suddenly all your opponents draw even more cards. Not a good include.
I thought about it in my list but swapped eye of Veena. Draws when it enters and basically gives one draw per turn for one mana because it can help pay for its own ability.
@@daeosmusic1246 yup, that's why its seeing play in Urza as well.
If you follow the naming convention of "bolt", then:
3 damage = "bolt"
2 damage = "shock"
1 damage = "jab"
However, most people I know call one damage a "ping". It's the onomatopoeia for a high-pitched metallic sound.
On topic, she seems fine, but Urza bringing the Karn-struct and access to blue makes the comparison pretty surface-level. I'm going to try out Daryl before I even giver Meria a second look.
What's your opinion on adding the wof+led combo for a more breach centric build.
Is Birgi/harenfel a consideration for the deck?
On the one hand, you could be adding the red mana with birgi just for casting the rocks, possibly adding a way to filter to the Kiki jiki combo. On the flip side, if your commander gets too targeted, then you can use the harenfel side to dig through the deck for answers and fill your graveyard for breach.
Honestly I like it. This was just a standard Gruul sheel. Really similar to what all other gruul decks have been doing so fare. But I have a feeling we might move more towards mass artifact storm.
@@cedhtv I think that’s where this deck goes from a cedh perspective. Making it an optional birgi secondary option and having a cloud stone curio combo or a storm combo. I’m not sure. It just seems like a good variable oprion
Would love to see a primer on the moxfield site if possible! Thanks for the great content!
A primer of what? Of the website moxfield?
I’m so happy to see you put ghirapur aether-grid in the deck cause I thought about it immediately when this commander was revealed, perfect fit for this strategy and also one of my favourite cards
It is one of my favorites too.
When I saw this spoiled I new I'd be seeing a cedh TV video. Really excited for this one, big fan of artifact decks. Been tuning my breya deck for a while and I'm ready to build this
This is pretty meta dependent, but if you have a lot of interactive blue decks at the table you could include Gutteral Response
This is the DT I've been looking forward to the most. Gimme the good stuff Mons!
“But this forces us to play a bunch of goblins, yuck”
Ah, a man of culture I see
haha
Which is better stax deck, Derevi or Meria? Thank you.
After playing both I would say Derevi. In my opinion Meria struggels without the white. The white hatebers are soo good.
I'm not sure what to cut, but if drannith magistrate is that much of a problem, it would be good to see another answer to it in the list, maybe lightning bolt? Umezawas jitte also could answer drannith/opposing dorks and taps for a green with commander.
We have the answer. VALAKUT!!! Jokes aside yes lightning bolt could be great here.
@@cedhtv I think maybe delayed blast fireball could also fit in the deck? Decent at 3 mana, and gas if you hit it off meria without paying the foretell cost
I actually REALLY like this. I feel this has potential.
Very good deck tech. I have been brewing Meria and chose to go with KCI loops instead of Snoop lines. I'm using KCI+Scrap Trawler+Myr Retriever.
Could you explain this combo to me please idk what you mean by KCI
@@HebrewHercules the card is krark clan ironworks
Ohhhhhh i know that card ok
I'm on the same with senseis top loops as well. Check out battered golem if you haven't yet.
Hi Mons, no shade intended, but just so you (and everyone else) know, the red goblin Conspicuous Snoop is pronounced, Con-spick-you-ous snoop :)
Conspicuous means “standing out,” or, “being obviously visible.” Many Americans too, struggle with the spelling of this word haha I have friends all the time who call it
con-spish-ous, and it drives me insane 😂
I’m a writer. I guess that’s why.
Thanks for the video! You’re my go-to guy for all things edh
You beat me too it! 🤣 I was just taking with a friend about doing the same thing with this commander. Awesome deck tech as always!
Pretty cool commander. Currently putting together a Raggadragga deck instead but this is interesting.
Ok i really am digging this deck. I really love that its gruul and not something gruul normally does. I wish i had more pieces for this so i can really build it in earnest.
What about Paradise Mantle?
0 drop mana rock equipment, which turns Meria into a mana dork as well. So kind of a 2 mana rocks for 0, in a way.
I like it!
I’m going Winconless with Elves and harder Stax. Root Maze, Manglehorn, and Titania’s Song.
This makes me think of Glisa the traitor for some reason. I just think it is soo cool with artifact focused elves.
I'm thinking that KCI-combos would work great with this commander. Synergistic with the underworld breach-package, as well as with the deck in general
I think so too actually. I am personally not fan of it. But I could see it be a great combo. Might be better then Snoop actually.
Iv gotta say iv been watching your videos for a long time and I'm so happy you made a video with this commander. I was wondering well i was planning on making this a deck and if I send you a my deck list with this commander would you take a look at it and possibly give me some pointers?
Sorry. I only look at Patreons decklist. I get to many decklist to look at otherwise.
Been excited for this video!
Valakut really starts to become a meme of this channel. If it has red then valakut can be added xd
It has always been a meme for this channel. hehehe.
Urza deck usually runs eye of vecna instead of howling mine, any reason to run mine instead?
How bout dualcaster twinflame combo, seems compact enough.
Also, thoughts on welder/engineer?
I personally like 1 card combos. In decks that cant tutor that much 2 card combo can be tricky. So we can get to snoop quite consistent. But Dual caster and twinflame gets tricky.
Mons, do you think Raggadragga is actually just a better stax gruul commander compared to Meria? A lot of artifacts in Meria feels like dead in the water once she got interacted with.
I don't think Raggadragga is good at all tho. Like your wincon is really slow compared to Meria.
The main problem I found with the recruiter combo was that being that is has a pile of 4 cards (including recruiter) it is easy to exile a key part when digging with exile ability. Hitting Kiki-Kiki and not being able to cast it sucks, an most of the time you can't because of the RRR. Also the grinding station/breach combo can't win through Rod/ouphe. The other issue with the recruiter line is you really want red mana not lots of G. It would be better if you had a mono green combo pack consisting of creatures, maybe two cards. This gives you less chance of accidental exile which in my limited testing happened way to often. At least if the Combo parts are green you have more chance you can cast them from exile with your artifacts.
Are you going to do a deck tech on Stenn, Paranoid Partisan?
I am going to do some mroe deck techs from dominaria united but no not on him sorry.
Is there any merit in building Meria over Jetmir? I wanted to build a Jetmir stax but I also got the good old Winter Orb and the likes that makes me want to build Meria instead.
Consider playing memory jar?
Seems like an amazing fit in to counter Orical
Have you considered Cloudstone Curio/Dockside lines? You have so many 1cmc creatures to bounce back with Dockside that it seems trivial. Create infinite treasures, exile and play your deck. It could replace the Snoop line and free up space for other things.
It is hard to tutor for cloustone in gruul. It is more or less a 2 card combo. While snoop is a 1 card combo. I personally think it is better to run 1 card combos in decks like this because we need to have consistensy. Also it is a creature and it is easy to tutor for creatues with green.
My question for combos that have a lot of pieces like the Snoop piles; what do you do when you have one or two of your combo pieces in hand?
Cry. But yes. That is a problem. sometimes that just happens. It has been a problem for ever in cEDH with combo packages.
@@cedhtv Scroll rack?
Working on a storm variant of this commander.
This commander can be built in so many different ways! Here's what I was working on: www.moxfield.com/decks/TUbPLMy400CwEyrOIKNw7g
nice!
Is there any reason to play LED in this deck? Or just not necessary?
did you put the goblin recruiter pile wincon in this deck cuz its really good or did you just want to show us / popularize/ test another mono red wincon?
So Kiki Combos... Why would you use Zealous conscripts when you have cheaper options? The way Combat Celebrant is worded it says it untaps all tapped creatures you control when you exert it. It doesn't specify the creature needs to be attacking. What about using Hyrax Tower Scout? It untaps a creature when it enters, you're in green so you have that option. And is the "Gain control of target permanent" better than Coercive Recruiter's ability "Whenever Coercive Recruiter or another Pirate enters the battlefield under your control, gain control of target creature until end of turn."? I mean, it seems to me I'd Pick Coercive Recruiter over Zealous Conscripts any day. Because then if I'm running Dockside I can infinitely copy Dockside so in case there is something that prevents me from attacking I can still combo off with infinite mana and casts from the top of my library. Its a corner case to be sure, but its just that little bit better imo. I mean, Imperial Recruiter can't get any of them since all of them have 3 or more power. But also Green isn't lacking in creature tutors. If I want to be mana efficient, Combat Celebrant or Hyrax Tower Scout seem to be the way to go, but if I want inevitability Coercive Recruiter seems to be a better choice.
Sorry if this is a bit rambly, I Just think Zealous conscripts is a bit outclassed here.
Zealous conscripts is actually a good card in cEDH. you can steal cards from opponents and sometimes that dose a lot. Also 5 mana for it is not a big problem. This deck has a lot of mana.
@@cedhtv Thanks for explaining.
Sparks of cute lightning:
PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW
PING PING PING PING PING
This is the most "Non-Gruul" Gruul deck I've seen in my life... interesting
That is actually true.
Very excited for this commander! I decided to go a more heavy stax version of the deck that includes food chain. I'm personally on blood moon and magus bc there's also null rod/ouphe/karn/and the orbs/spheres, so just overall denying all the mana seems good.
Same
I also run lodestone golem
Most of the time I can just run out a nycbloom ancient and just out ramp my own tax pieces
My idea for this deck is along the Stax theme. The main combo is Karn and Mycosynth Lattice that locks down opponents from ever doing anything again. Forcing them to concede or guaranteeing you find a combo that shows a win.
Im a believer that dorks in this deck are "bad". If your commander is out, any dork drawn is just a worse 0 or 1 cmc artifact. Yeah you get screwed if drannith comes down, but rather than dorks I'd rather just run removal. What roll do dorks play in this deck in the end. We dont really need to ramp fast for anything, and replacing some of the dorks with other artifacts helps us draw more in the end.
Just my 2 cents, but when I build this deck this is the route I'll be taking so I'll be able to test it out.
Why no yavimaya for color fixing on the mana base?
I dont like to color fix for my opponents. Also we do have a ton of green once we have commander in play,
Have you consider curse mirror in the 99 ?
I think I actually might add that honestly.
I was searching and came to the same conclusion the other day. If you're gonna take this to cEDH you NEED to play Collector Ouphe and Null Rod. People are gonna get TONS of dockside value against this deck and those two are the only things that are gonna keep your opponents from actually using all those treasures.
Also, Drannith Magistrate is what Lightning Bolt is for.
Great deck tech, really excited for gruul artifacts. By the way, conspicuous is pronounced Con-spick-you-us… super weird pronunciation I know haha even hard as a native English speaker
I think you could go for a more focused breach strategy if you wanted to. You don’t have many tutors that can grab breach but Meria is also a card draw engine. So you can flip through your deck pretty quick.
You actually said it there. We don't have that many tutors. Basically gamble. Snoop can be really consistent. We have a lot of tutors in green for creatures.
The gruul stax deck Ruric Thar always wanted to be
Yes!
So when is Mons gonna get me on to talk about Gruul again? Love the content, mate. We gotta jam at some point. 💚❤️
Jeweled Amulet looks terrible, aren't there any other better zero mana artifacts? Like Paradise Mantle?
You can play that. Both are kinda the same.
This card is nuts!
Yeah. I actually think it could go insde some other cEDH commander decks too.
You really need to test possibility storm void mirror combo
I could see that go into the deck.
We are producing so much green mana with the artifacts, why not go for Tooth and Nail entwined and win with something like:
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Zealous Conscripts / Great Oak Guardian / Hyrax Tower Scout
You know what! I actually like that idea. We do have the green mana for it.
@@cedhtv the only (big) downside is the big slap from Ad Nauseam
great content as always!!
Thank you!
With Meria there's a funny lock with void mirror and possibility storm
With meria you can impulse the top card and play it so you're unaffected by void mirror
Your opponents, not so much
I only have a doubt relative to the snoop combo: if you have infinite copies of conspicuous snoop thanks to Kiki jiki, how con you deal 1 damage for each goblin sacrificed? Mogg fanatic says “sacrifice mogg fanatic: Mogg fanatic deals 1 damage to target creature or player”, but conspicuous snoop don’t says that it becomes the card on top of your library, it says it “has all activated abilities of that card”, so you could win only if you have infinite Mogg fanatic, but you don’t!
I’ll be happy to be denied because I’m super horny about this commander and would love to build it
You will give all snoop the mogg fanatic activated ability when you use the last snoop copy to target goblin recruter to shuffle the deck and place any number of goblins on top. This time you place mogg fanatic on top and now all snoop goblins have the ability.
201.4b. If an ability of an object refers to that object by name, and an object with a different name gains that ability, each instance of the first name in the gained ability that refers to the first object by name should be treated as the second name.
how does tapping artifacts with static ability stop them from going off?
Because they say so on them. They are static abilites as long as they are untapped
What is Splinter Twin doing here?
It was a error. I was going to add the red creature that combos with kiki jiki but just added wrong.
@@cedhtv Aight, I was so confused haha. List looking great btw!
More land destruction
*And Klothys!*
More land destruction
Wait so where's "new urza"?
What?
@@shinigami_0127 title says "new Urza"
@@cinnamonkittamon yeah it's talking about the commander..
Both Urza and this creature have similar effects that are executed differently.
@@shinigami_0127I also made that comment at least a year ago. I was just explaining my question since you asked, and didn't think to clarify that I had since figured it out
Paradox Engine could have been good for this deck. Sad.
YES!!!!!
Disclaimer: assuming all 4 players allow proxies or assuming you have infinite money
Yeah it is expansive. But where I play we always allow proxies.
@@cedhtv i have no doubt about that but i think this disclaimer is worth saying somewhere in the video
@@DiploRadio It isn’t.
It is cedh. That cedh decks are expensive/ proxied is universally understood by those who play
she's such a strange card. ''what if we did urza but for green red?' like wtf
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