Took this to list (slightly modified) my LGS tonight. First game of magic I played since the pandemic. I won, thanks Mons for the video. I never thought of Marwyn till I saw this video. thanks again!
Cool video, concise, to the point, nice over view of the deck. I have the big dino Ghalta for mono green but it doesn't work that well with 3 other players, might try this out. Elf city! 😀
Another great video Mons, really enjoyed it. Very professional and intellectual interview along with some really interesting facts and networks. Keep up the good work!
Loved seeing how they as the players compare and contrast the differences between what on its face looks like very similar decks in Yisan,Selvala and Marwyn. Thanks again for the series mons!
Marwyn is my newest deck and it is so much fun to play. There have been games where I just bait out all of my opponents' answers before I go for an infinite damage finish
I've been a consistent advocate of Marwyn since she came out. It's funny to say Marwyn might be one of my most competitive decks, even over stuff with oracle and other tier 1 win conditions. Sometimes you demonstrate a loop and someone says, "Okay, but do you have anything to _do_ with your mana?" Yeah, punch you in the face for 50. Or you just play a value ballista and keep fragile creatures off the board while attacking with it. And since there are 4 other elves (not counting selvala) that work like marwyn, you have great redundancy. Also with a single color, it's easier (ie: cheaper) to push to a higher power level over 5 color mana bases or anything blue.
@@cedhtv It's a dilemma for your opponents, because removing Marwyn is usually correct, but only temporary because of the redundancy available and the fact that as an elf deck, you can probably play her again. Therefore, is will seem correct to destroy the outlets (Staff of Domination, Temur Sabertooth, etc). But in that case, Marwyn just pivots to combat. Without something like Plague Engineer, you can't stop Marwyn.
So happy to see Marwyn getting some love! I've been playing her since she came out and was always shocked how fast it was, then I decided to start beefing the deck up and got gross. I sat down at a cEdh table someone casted silence on my third turn upkeep, I ended up casting my deck before I let silence resolve.
I play in a meta of people winning in other's end steps with thrasios activations or ad naus so I've been liking Hermit of the Natternolls in my Marwyn deck to potentially draw into answers. Edit: I just thought I'd clarify, by answers I mean to draw into one of your many wincons or into Lifeforce (if ad naus) / bind (if thrasios/yisan/5c Sisay/ cap sisay/ etc...)
I love this. Marwyn gives you the potential speed of Selvala with the adaptability of Yisan. Mono green has a lot of depth and the ability to pivot really is the best part of this deck. You get to play selvala with a better card quality and Yisan that doesn't need to tutor. And the budget options!
I have been seeing Marwyn pretty regular now on the spell table games and it goes off, you can get rid of her but mono greens ramp is so crazy she can just be recast over and over.
I've been playing Marwyn Elfball in brawl (on Arena) before it rotated, and I fully believe that a tuned deck like that would reach competitive power level, even without watching the video. Though I feel like the lists you linked lack wincons. I think there should be some sort of repeatable, more reliable mana sink. Maybe a Walking Ballista or something that allows you to go for a direct kill with infinite mana.
That is a great thing to have. As I am playing a lot of Sisay. She never really gets left behind anymore. I think the biggest problem with sisay is that she becomes the target.
Pretty fun deck! As feedback for you mons, you did this in the past, but something you should focus on more in these introductions/interviews is what the deck has issues with. What are hard pods, are there specific predators can you adapt to (in-game, flex cards?) To me, these are the much more interesting things, for the win cons I can read the primer or just look at the decklists :D It seems to me that turbo-naus is a neck breaker for this deck and needs an answer in the pod (which is likely) since this deck seems to play a bit like a ship in the night.
Yeah I did that in the past a bunch. They kinda meantion a lot of different weakness during the video here and there so I actually skipped the question this time.
I play Marwyn since the day she came out and she's crazy, even if I'm not playing the most optimal build. 70-80€ is just a bit too much for a single Allosaurus Shepherd in my eyes. I can wait til they reprint it.
I personnaly only play casual commander with my friends. But i'm playing Magic for 17 years and we play with no mercy. And i really like elves ! I actually own 13 EDH deck and my marwin deck is my golden baby. Tribal focussed, very fast to play. If nobody try to stop you it's easy to win turn 4 or 5 on a regular, viable basis. If everything goes perfectly i can win on turn 3. Playing my whole deck and trampling for billions of damage. The thing is that i don't play Cedh Im only playing casual (but still nasty) commander with friend. And the deck cost me more than my average but it was not more than 600$. No mana crypt, no geass cradle, not one fetch lands, and it can win turn 3... Just imagine if i could add those crazy card into it how far it would go ... All you have to do is putting lots of "untap" abillities, lots of "draw card equal to the greatest power amongs creature you control" and stuff like that. And you can go off like crazy as soon as marwyn hit the table if you put a bit of haste enchantments, artifact and stuff like that in the deck. It is SOOO easy to go off and ending up playing your ntire deck that most of the times people will stop playing in the middle of your turn because they know you will just shit your entire deck on the table xD I play this deck regularly again Krenko, mob boss to do an interesting elves vs goblin edh fight and marwyn tends to win around 60% of the time from what i've seen but i have put less effort and dedication in the making of krenko so i dont know for the overall meta. What i can tell is that marwyn is indeep a VERY strong commander 100% as good as selvala is. They both have their goods and bads but i really like to play elves tribal so i went for marwyn and it works very well. Would recommand to anybody who would likes to play elvish tribal in commander.
Hi, would you have a decklist to share for your Elves Deck? I also only play casual and am really interested in how you have built the deck you described.
Hey Mons love all your content, I have been trying very hard to make a Kamahl Fist of Krosa as competitive as possible. I wanted to pick your brain if you feel he can reach a playable state in a CEDH setting ? I feel like the answer is probably no, but was hoping to hear from you on this manner.
for cEDH it is not really possible. He dose go into some decks tho. But it is posssible to make him really good. Like get his power level to lets say. High power.
@@cedhtv Thanks so much for the reply, I will continuing refining as much as I can, combat damage is a difficult way to win for sure. He's been my fav character since I got into the game.
Pay attention people: He said in the entire 134 sample size he only saw 2 board wipes. It’s a creature heavy format and we’re still not killing hate bears, dorks, tymnas etc? Imo Volcanic Fallout should be ubiquitous in almost every deck that can play it with few exceptions.
I been playing my own cedh version of marwyn for a few years now, it can consistently win by turn 3-4 and if I'm lucky it can win on turn 1-2. The deck never works at my lgs anymore because I get targeted so heavily now haha.
@@brandonluton6973 i don't recommend my version at all btw unless you like to mulligan a lot haha, but it's a good way to sneak in a quick win to the unknowing.
@@cedhtv correct - I adopted the idea from Thrasios&Tevesh but since I'm greedy and want all the colors I was looking for a way to functionally integrate the engine in Kenrith. I'm still brewing around with it so thank you very much for your feedback! I guess I will name it "Dockside Hulk" or something like that.
"The worst selvala", yeah, i know because i do play gw selvala and people don't even think that it is a cedh deck until i storm on their face lol i just play what i love not necessarely the meta
@@cedhtv you might get bitterness/salty, but ok, you don't need to win or lose every game, but you still can show that cEDH has more than overpowered decks. It involves connaissance, how much you are dedicated to your deck and how much you can learn playing against adversities. I'm a dedicated selvala player, i won't change my love and hours dedicated to her build
A stax deck will always be slowers than other archetype... your argument simply doesnt work in this scenario stax goal is to slow the board while getting advantage by breaking parity with their stax piece.
this so called boardwipe protection of allo shepherd and ezuri counts on your opponents missing an on-board-trick. Not very convincing. It also sounds to me like marwyns biggest advantage over selvala is the long game through stax. However ashaya seems to be a better pick for these stages of the game, while fast wins are still archieveable through quirion ranger (which can be tutored easier than staff of domination) How to you compare favorably against ashaya ? How does the turn 2 win look like ?
I think a big thing is that a lot of decks just aren’t playing board wipes right now. And people miss on board stuff all the time as well. My last T2 win open hand: Forest Invigorate Mana crypt Elvish mystic Eldritch evolution Ashaya Duskwatch recruiter Drew a forest for my first draw
@@harleym.3810 ok, let's agree on the board wipe protection bring fringe. As you say, it's a boardwipe-light meta. And how do you compare your deck to ashaya lists running around ? I am looking at picking up a mono green deck
I think ashaya is really cool list and completely viable as well. Think of mono green as like a triangle. You have the mana producer, the combo pieces and then the outlet on each piece of the triangle. So for marwyn she is the producer that uses multiple combos to then feed an outlet. Ashaya is the combo in the triangle so she operates from that point of view. My biggest deal against her is that she costs 5 and is harder to get out and is also a big target. It’s also easier to see the pieces that combo with her. So people are generally ready to interact before you go off. Marwyn skates by as just a mana dork until you drop the combo and win same turn. Hope that’s helpful. Ashaya has a great discord with great people in it. Should check it out if you haven’t!
Cards like invigorate are used to pump up marwyn’s power so she can be tapped to make more mana. So invigorate costs zero if you control a forest but let’s you tap for 4 more and if you have a draw spell based off of power it’ll let you draw 4 more (cards like soul’s majesty)
Ashaya is the new Mono-Green boss. Much more resilient and consistent. Marwyn has had her time in the spotlight. Shes still good, but Ashaya is better. Ashaya > Yeva > Yissan > Selvala > Marwyn
Really love seeing Mono Green, or just mono decks in general. Keep it up Monz! Really enjoying the more unique decks, it's a lot of fun
Thank you. Glad you like this video concept.
I built Marwyn as a normal EDH deck and it accidentally wins on turn 3 or 4 all the time, she's great.
Selvala and marwyn CEDH decks are almost the same. I run selvala and realized that.
I love how mono green has its own microcosm of a meta that runs parallel to multicolor strategies
Took this to list (slightly modified) my LGS tonight. First game of magic I played since the pandemic. I won, thanks Mons for the video. I never thought of Marwyn till I saw this video. thanks again!
Your welcome. But the communty made it happen. People brewing it. All I did was make a video of it.
@@cedhtv Thanks to the community and the brewer's of this deck. This deck is really powerful! And Mons I really enjoy watching your channel.
Cool video, concise, to the point, nice over view of the deck. I have the big dino Ghalta for mono green but it doesn't work that well with 3 other players, might try this out. Elf city! 😀
Another great video Mons, really enjoyed it. Very professional and intellectual interview along with some really interesting facts and networks. Keep up the good work!
Thank you. Yeah I really like this video series.
Loved seeing how they as the players compare and contrast the differences between what on its face looks like very similar decks in Yisan,Selvala and Marwyn. Thanks again for the series mons!
Marwyn is my newest deck and it is so much fun to play. There have been games where I just bait out all of my opponents' answers before I go for an infinite damage finish
Built her a while back. Discovered the card malachite talasmin and it’s great in this deck and no1 realizes how good it it until it’s too late lol
Awesome! I've played against Ananda on Nexus several times and can confirm that this list JAMS! Great seeing him get some exposure!
I've been a consistent advocate of Marwyn since she came out. It's funny to say Marwyn might be one of my most competitive decks, even over stuff with oracle and other tier 1 win conditions. Sometimes you demonstrate a loop and someone says, "Okay, but do you have anything to _do_ with your mana?" Yeah, punch you in the face for 50. Or you just play a value ballista and keep fragile creatures off the board while attacking with it. And since there are 4 other elves (not counting selvala) that work like marwyn, you have great redundancy. Also with a single color, it's easier (ie: cheaper) to push to a higher power level over 5 color mana bases or anything blue.
Doing something with the infinit mana shoulden't be a problem. You have soo many thinks you can sink it into. Just like you say :)
@@cedhtv It's a dilemma for your opponents, because removing Marwyn is usually correct, but only temporary because of the redundancy available and the fact that as an elf deck, you can probably play her again. Therefore, is will seem correct to destroy the outlets (Staff of Domination, Temur Sabertooth, etc). But in that case, Marwyn just pivots to combat. Without something like Plague Engineer, you can't stop Marwyn.
So happy to see Marwyn getting some love! I've been playing her since she came out and was always shocked how fast it was, then I decided to start beefing the deck up and got gross.
I sat down at a cEdh table someone casted silence on my third turn upkeep, I ended up casting my deck before I let silence resolve.
Love to see the Marwyn love! Ananda is the best
Naw buddy that’s you! Amazing artist right here 🙏
Time is scarce and lot of videos to catch up. But this channel deserves it.
Keep up the awesomeness, Mons! :D
Thank you. Yeah I know what you mean. I don't have time to watch all cEDH content out there any more either.
I really like my elfball Ezuri, renegarde leader deck, so i had always an eye on Marwyn
I play in a meta of people winning in other's end steps with thrasios activations or ad naus so I've been liking Hermit of the Natternolls in my Marwyn deck to potentially draw into answers.
Edit: I just thought I'd clarify, by answers I mean to draw into one of your many wincons or into Lifeforce (if ad naus) / bind (if thrasios/yisan/5c Sisay/ cap sisay/ etc...)
I love this. Marwyn gives you the potential speed of Selvala with the adaptability of Yisan. Mono green has a lot of depth and the ability to pivot really is the best part of this deck. You get to play selvala with a better card quality and Yisan that doesn't need to tutor. And the budget options!
I have been seeing Marwyn pretty regular now on the spell table games and it goes off, you can get rid of her but mono greens ramp is so crazy she can just be recast over and over.
and she starts at 3, then 5 and then 7. Not that hard.
Ezuri, Renegae Leader ability butt F's a toxic deluge - love it.
I've been playing Marwyn Elfball in brawl (on Arena) before it rotated, and I fully believe that a tuned deck like that would reach competitive power level, even without watching the video.
Though I feel like the lists you linked lack wincons. I think there should be some sort of repeatable, more reliable mana sink. Maybe a Walking Ballista or something that allows you to go for a direct kill with infinite mana.
Love Marwyn, have played her for a while. I definitely think on of the biggest advantages is that she's so underestimated.
That is a great thing to have. As I am playing a lot of Sisay. She never really gets left behind anymore. I think the biggest problem with sisay is that she becomes the target.
I love mono green decks... I wish that My azusa could be CEDH too 💔
This is such a cool deck. Very complicated to pilot.
Great deck tech!
Pretty fun deck!
As feedback for you mons, you did this in the past, but something you should focus on more in these introductions/interviews is what the deck has issues with.
What are hard pods, are there specific predators can you adapt to (in-game, flex cards?)
To me, these are the much more interesting things, for the win cons I can read the primer or just look at the decklists :D
It seems to me that turbo-naus is a neck breaker for this deck and needs an answer in the pod (which is likely) since this deck seems to play a bit like a ship in the night.
Yeah I did that in the past a bunch. They kinda meantion a lot of different weakness during the video here and there so I actually skipped the question this time.
I play Marwyn since the day she came out and she's crazy, even if I'm not playing the most optimal build.
70-80€ is just a bit too much for a single Allosaurus Shepherd in my eyes.
I can wait til they reprint it.
It really might get a reprint. That cards seas play in different places and then wizard really wanna re print it often.
Proxy it.
No
Reprint alert lol 2x2
Nice to see those decks. But I was wondering if the deck is still a thing in cEDH without cradle nor survival...
Why would you not play those?
@@Peterphonetube I mean... price maybe?
@@davidepadovani4973 that's no excuse in cEDH, just proxy and play best you can :)
Price.,proxy not allow in my meta
@@raulmunoz7423 that's a shame. cEDH should never be limited by money :(
Dude with the glasses is European Bam Margeria
I personnaly only play casual commander with my friends. But i'm playing Magic for 17 years and we play with no mercy. And i really like elves !
I actually own 13 EDH deck and my marwin deck is my golden baby.
Tribal focussed, very fast to play. If nobody try to stop you it's easy to win turn 4 or 5 on a regular, viable basis.
If everything goes perfectly i can win on turn 3. Playing my whole deck and trampling for billions of damage.
The thing is that i don't play Cedh
Im only playing casual (but still nasty) commander with friend. And the deck cost me more than my average but it was not more than 600$.
No mana crypt, no geass cradle, not one fetch lands, and it can win turn 3... Just imagine if i could add those crazy card into it how far it would go ...
All you have to do is putting lots of "untap" abillities, lots of "draw card equal to the greatest power amongs creature you control" and stuff like that.
And you can go off like crazy as soon as marwyn hit the table if you put a bit of haste enchantments, artifact and stuff like that in the deck.
It is SOOO easy to go off and ending up playing your ntire deck that most of the times people will stop playing in the middle of your turn because they know you will just shit your entire deck on the table xD
I play this deck regularly again Krenko, mob boss to do an interesting elves vs goblin edh fight and marwyn tends to win around 60% of the time from what i've seen but i have put less effort and dedication in the making of krenko so i dont know for the overall meta.
What i can tell is that marwyn is indeep a VERY strong commander 100% as good as selvala is. They both have their goods and bads but i really like to play elves tribal so i went for marwyn and it works very well. Would recommand to anybody who would likes to play elvish tribal in commander.
Hi, would you have a decklist to share for your Elves Deck? I also only play casual and am really interested in how you have built the deck you described.
Where can I find the budget version of this mon?
www.moxfield.com/decks/vifdyaXTgUSnwnGWHfLmEQ here found it.
Hey Mons love all your content, I have been trying very hard to make a Kamahl Fist of Krosa as competitive as possible. I wanted to pick your brain if you feel he can reach a playable state in a CEDH setting ? I feel like the answer is probably no, but was hoping to hear from you on this manner.
for cEDH it is not really possible. He dose go into some decks tho. But it is posssible to make him really good. Like get his power level to lets say. High power.
@@cedhtv Thanks so much for the reply, I will continuing refining as much as I can, combat damage is a difficult way to win for sure. He's been my fav character since I got into the game.
How are they getting Marwyn out turn 1? Earliest I can manage is turn 2.
Mana crypt. And some other artifact tricks and elvish spirit guide.
Jeweled Lotus
Good job guys
Thank you Timmty :)
Pay attention people:
He said in the entire 134 sample size he only saw 2 board wipes. It’s a creature heavy format and we’re still not killing hate bears, dorks, tymnas etc? Imo Volcanic Fallout should be ubiquitous in almost every deck that can play it with few exceptions.
Exactly what I was saying! And in all the games I’ve played since I’ve still yet to see another board wipe
Great observation!
I don't see many bordwhipes either.
My Vehicle deck will board wipe every singly turn so this deck would get bent over.
Is there a competitive build for Kroxa? I ask because I have a Kroxa deck that can win on turn one
I have seen some reanimator deck trying to win fast with that commander.
There's a guy at my LGS who plays a competetitive stax Kroxa. It's definitely a working deck
Good vídeo 🎉
there is a last win con and that is just a big commander, just beating down players
I actually cut that part out but we did talkabout marwyn winning with combat damage. and they sometimes did that.
I been playing my own cedh version of marwyn for a few years now, it can consistently win by turn 3-4 and if I'm lucky it can win on turn 1-2. The deck never works at my lgs anymore because I get targeted so heavily now haha.
The Curse of winning in cEDH.
@@cedhtv it is what it is
Decklist??
@@brandonluton6973 absolutely my good sir
@@brandonluton6973 i don't recommend my version at all btw unless you like to mulligan a lot haha, but it's a good way to sneak in a quick win to the unknowing.
How can you get yourself infinite beast within tokens? Do you just target temur sabertooth ?
Is there a decklist for this the link is broken
What would you say about a Kenrith playing Hulk to search Dockside and Emiel?
I kinda like it. I guess you play natural order and some sac cards. That sounds decent. I like it.
@@cedhtv correct - I adopted the idea from Thrasios&Tevesh but since I'm greedy and want all the colors I was looking for a way to functionally integrate the engine in Kenrith.
I'm still brewing around with it so thank you very much for your feedback!
I guess I will name it "Dockside Hulk" or something like that.
Wow it's been a long time since I've watched Mons
Then I guess welcome back.
Where's the decklist at?
"The worst selvala", yeah, i know because i do play gw selvala and people don't even think that it is a cedh deck until i storm on their face lol i just play what i love not necessarely the meta
But when you beat the meta with what you love that is the best right? That is how I feel.
@@cedhtv you might get bitterness/salty, but ok, you don't need to win or lose every game, but you still can show that cEDH has more than overpowered decks. It involves connaissance, how much you are dedicated to your deck and how much you can learn playing against adversities. I'm a dedicated selvala player, i won't change my love and hours dedicated to her build
I played with them 3, i can say: Yisan is outdated, is too slow for the meta
A stax deck will always be slowers than other archetype... your argument simply doesnt work in this scenario stax goal is to slow the board while getting advantage by breaking parity with their stax piece.
The meta is full of turbo ad nauseam so with your logic 90% of cedh decks are too slow for the meta
Umbra mantle bro
Hmm, I want .
Love me a mono green
the deck list link is broken
Humm. Strange maybe they took it down. I haven't talked with these guys in a long while.
Marwyn is awesome!
Well now I will feel less hip playing this
Your not the only one :P haha
The decklist link is 404
It is not my decklist. The people I talk to might have taken it down.
this so called boardwipe protection of allo shepherd and ezuri counts on your opponents missing an on-board-trick. Not very convincing.
It also sounds to me like marwyns biggest advantage over selvala is the long game through stax. However ashaya seems to be a better pick for these stages of the game, while fast wins are still archieveable through quirion ranger (which can be tutored easier than staff of domination)
How to you compare favorably against ashaya ? How does the turn 2 win look like ?
I think a big thing is that a lot of decks just aren’t playing board wipes right now. And people miss on board stuff all the time as well.
My last T2 win open hand:
Forest
Invigorate
Mana crypt
Elvish mystic
Eldritch evolution
Ashaya
Duskwatch recruiter
Drew a forest for my first draw
@@harleym.3810 ok, let's agree on the board wipe protection bring fringe. As you say, it's a boardwipe-light meta.
And how do you compare your deck to ashaya lists running around ? I am looking at picking up a mono green deck
I think ashaya is really cool list and completely viable as well. Think of mono green as like a triangle. You have the mana producer, the combo pieces and then the outlet on each piece of the triangle. So for marwyn she is the producer that uses multiple combos to then feed an outlet. Ashaya is the combo in the triangle so she operates from that point of view. My biggest deal against her is that she costs 5 and is harder to get out and is also a big target. It’s also easier to see the pieces that combo with her. So people are generally ready to interact before you go off. Marwyn skates by as just a mana dork until you drop the combo and win same turn. Hope that’s helpful. Ashaya has a great discord with great people in it. Should check it out if you haven’t!
@@harleym.3810 that's a very nice answer, thank you.
Thank you! All the best to you
Flying under the radar is always a nice strategy to sneak some W’s
Does this still hold true now that Hullbreacher has been banned?
why does this deck include multiple cards like Invigorate?
Cards like invigorate are used to pump up marwyn’s power so she can be tapped to make more mana. So invigorate costs zero if you control a forest but let’s you tap for 4 more and if you have a draw spell based off of power it’ll let you draw 4 more (cards like soul’s majesty)
@@harleym.3810 ty
You’re welcome! Any other questions feel free to ask or check out the marwyn discord
Ashaya is the new Mono-Green boss. Much more resilient and consistent.
Marwyn has had her time in the spotlight. Shes still good, but Ashaya is better.
Ashaya > Yeva > Yissan > Selvala > Marwyn
that deck is fucking trash lol ... fringe and without any interaction ... that's why it never placed well in any tour
mons I have a deck tech i want to share with you. Just not sure how to contact you.
Write to me on discord. My name is MicroMonkey in red text. discord.gg/8b7UqdFuVD here is a link for my discord.