The $699 price point is pretty high for me, but the realization of the lack of stand, disk drive, and that it was literally $300 more in Europe with those things included made my jaw hit the floor.
@@Rrr20058bvscI am a fanboy. So long as Sony and other corporations like Tesla continues to pay me dividends/benefit me financially, I’ll simp for as long as I can. 😂
Sony gave an uncompressed 68 GB .mov file to IGN of their PS5 Pro presentation… This file should be accessible to public and not locked behind a paywall. We are looking to you guys to save the day!
@@VanSanProductions Y'all are wild, they don't even offer the uncompressed file to their Patreon subscribers lol. Their site doesn't have the bandwidth to support thousands of people trying to download a +65GB file.
I’m a PC gamer and have a PS5, I won’t be buying this anytime soon-if at all. However, if I wasn’t a PC gamer, I can see the value in the extra power, if it does what it needs to do. A.K.A Fidelity mode at a steady 60fps. In that case I’d buy it. However if they go disc-less with the PS6, I won’t be buying it until they rectify that at little to no additional cost and work-if at all. If enough of us do that we can change the market direction just like we have done with EV cars.
It's a shame to everyone involved including Sony... They could released it as a 'Game' with a video file inside. They could've released on their website. Or even as a downloadable video on PS Store
@@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S I mean to be fair its a console... Its not using off the shelf parts, so its not like they can say "this has an amd xyz now". Giving percentages and showing gameplay comparisons are the only way to market this tbh. The casual gamer doesn't even understand what cores are
Official Australian price is $1200 AUS for just the console. Then you add the drive and the stand and you're looking at $1400 AUD which is just absolutely insane.
Yeah, I just saw the AU pricing, unrealistic to ask that much, I got my ps5 on launch day, was looking at upgrading, but I don’t feel it’s worth it for the graphical upgrade and I don’t want to pay even more for a disc drive.
@@tim3172 it’s always a dumb business decision to raise price and take away what was given for cheaper earlier. Especially for something that should not cost much to them.
@@deadscene1 Why don't get people like you who doesn't mind having no ownership of physical copies. How long do you think Sony will keep operate their digital store?
@@XGN05 i don't buy games on consoles , using only the ps premium sub to play whatever they have on premium and classic catalog , i own tons of pc games on steam ,
Guys in Europe it's 950 with disc and base, right now ps5 slim is discounted at 400. It's more than double the price with not even double gpu performance
@@stefandinu6389 no you can’t 🤣 and honestly think about it logically the pc has no great titles lol you reply on Sonys games to showcase the hardware, I mean wukong is a showcase for pc, but outside of that what games do these 3-7 grand pcs showcase ? Half life ? lol hades ? Point and click games ? Strategy ? Pcs are only good for gamers who play competitive online shooters facts
@@cliffturbo2146eh nope, but it’s still value at that price point. For a console if they utilise that 45% additional power it’s definitely a step in the right direction.
@@colinbrydon7659 you ain't gonna notice shit cause devs have to opt into that upgrade, and most devs aren't going to do that. Most games on that pro is gonna look and play the exact same on the ps5. and lets not forgot aout their already lacking exclusive library that is moving to pc where if you really want that power, that is where you should go. consoles should have never been focused on power, but a cheaper alternative for gaming with exclusives on the side. You people who care about power so much should really just bite the bullet and get a pc that you can just keep upgrading instead of being delusional, sony won't praise you fordefending them.
The PS4 Pro sold somewhere around 15 million units, close to 12% of the total sales of the PS4 and when it was released, it "took" the price that the base PS4 had on the shelfs (and the PS4 got a permanent reduction) and on the other hand, it was almost doubling the power and targeting 4K gaming and the difference in performance was quite obvious. To sell the PS5 Pro, they put Mark Cerny on a 9 minute tech dive and he gave us stills from 4-year-old games that you had to zoom in x5 to see the difference. If the analysts in question estimate that PS5 Pro will sell the same as the PS4 Pro that had all the momentum and objective conditions in its favor, I don't know what they are smoking…
The PS4 was routinely $250 when the PS4 Pro came out. All Sony did was lower the (already irrelevant) MSRP. Black Friday 2016, you could get a PS4 for $225 with two games.
They don't really care how many PS5 Pros are gonna be sold. They just want to make the regular PS5 feels less expensive without actually cutting the price. It's a 4D chess move, if you think about it!
@@davidsentanu7836 Maybe, it also serves to future proof this gen and extend its life another few years. Might be the right choice in the long run. Sell it for a premium now which makes the original SKU look more attractive and by the time it's really needed it can drop to the original's MSRP.
It's strange to compare the PS5 generation to the PS4 generation, when the PS4 generation was much cheaper to produce because its hardware was dog crap.
Thats why i rely on my tv's motion smoothing ability, which makes stable 30fps look like 60 with not big, remote play kinda input lag. I just finished RDR2 yesterday, oh man, second half of game in that first playthrough was so intense and fun. In first i didn't quite feel characters and story but as i got used to i started enjoying very intensely. On the second playthrough it would be fun from start i bet, already recognizing characters.
@pakkitman what kills about DF not liking FSR/DLSS/Upscalers in general is they used to laugh at the user's that hated all those upscale. People noticed the difference from native to upscale from jump but it was just people being sticklers and negative then. Like no. Upscaling is literally missing the forest for the trees. We don't need upscaling, we need devs to reel back that graphics scope creep. Like we can't keep chasing graphics to this extreme, it is the actual problem. We could have a machine capable of 8k 144fps and devs will still push graphics until it runs at 8k 30fps or 8k 60+ but with fsr slapped on it. Unironically Nintendo focusing on quality games and good/decent performance on proven not high end tech is the way to go. We are 100% in a gaming bubble.
@@alexisdelangel13 upscalers are only getting better year over year. And given that tech like path tracing is a boon for developers, having tech that lowers technical requirements is necessary, especially for console. I agree that a lot of the best looking games this gen are the ones that don't push RT and other tech that crushes image quality, but these games will eventually look great once we all have the horsepower to run them
I knew it would have a price increase, my estimate was $600 for the digital version, and $650 for the disk drive version, but $700 without the drive, and the fact that they're too cheap to even include the damn vertical stand, is just insane to me.
Yeah, that was my estimate, I thought it would pretty good since new xbox console was $600 without any upgrades, and having the ps5 pro at the same price would be good for sony since would be a no brainer which console to get. But $700 its a bit much.
For 700 quid? It should have the stand, it should have the drive, it should have a DualSense Edge. Hell, it should have the full Astro Bot thrown in. (The 2TB is good. I'll give them that. But then all the more baffling not to put it in the video!)
@@KingSword-f8y new XSX version has 1 upgrade: 1tb more storage. Not much but it is one upgrade. These companies charging way too much for more storage and u can't store $ hit on discs anymore
Disc drive also not included. You'd think for paying that much for the Top of the Line PS5 model, everything would come with it like the original PS5 but NOPE. 🤦🏻♂️
Console falls down, warranty is void, you are now left with useless brick that can't play one game and either go buy another one with a stand ($720) or switch to PC/Switch 2/Xbox.
PS4 Pro replaced the PS4 for the same price, kept the disc drive and they replaced the base model with the slim for a price cut 3 years after launch. PS5 Pro, 200 dollar price increase and remove the disc drive 4 years after launch.
The presentation was so underwhelming that I wasn’t sure there’d be anything too exciting in this video, but hearing Rich officially adopt “PiSSeR” made it all worthwhile
Console is still better than PC in terms of comfort, optimization, price, almost no errors, noise level and such and cleanliness. While on PC you have to spend 1000+$, deal with so many errors, dealing with temperature/cooling, Software issues, viruses, cable management, noisy fans and much more
@@yak-machining "optimization" ? Watch DF's video about Black Myth Wukong where they explained how the developers achieved the 60 fps on the PS5 console. Optimisation is not a hardware but a software issue. And on PC you usually have many options in the game settings to adjust the way a game runs and looks like on your specific system. A luxury one will never have on consoles where the coice is often just between "Performance" (worse quality) and "Quality" (worse framerate).
@@wjacob33 Not wrong about what? Optimisation? I give an example as a console player (SX): the recent Lords of the Fallen game (Hexworks 2023) ran very poorly on both consoles (PS5 and SX) after its launch. There were many posts on the Reddit for this game where the performance was criticised (stuttering, low fps, freezing, etc.). It took the developers multiple patches to make the game playable on the consoles. And that is what I wanted to say: if the developers do not understand "how to optimise" their game for the console platforms there is no benefit of having this platform over a PC. The only exception to this is for the console exclusives, of course, since they are developed specifically for this hardware.
The 3DO launched in October 1993 for $699. Adjusted for inflation it's $1509 in 2024. Wanna try again champ? Even the PS3's launch price $499 & $599 in 2006 is a lot more than $699 in 2024.
@@electrikoptikyou'll grow out of this childish fanboy phase when you become an adult and you will look back at comments like these with embarrassment. I used to be the same way 10 years ago and I still cringe about it. Now, in the off chance that you actually ARE an adult... I'm so terribly sorry that life turned out this way for you...
The funniest thing to me about the way Sony tried to compare the image quality between PS5 and PS5 Pro was that they would crop a zoomed in image but then only fill 60% (or less) of the screen so it didn't even feel zoomed in. Edit: like look at this 21:11 who thought that was the best way to showcase what they wanted?
Commented on this myself. What’s this joke all about. Seriously. Trying to show you the ‘huge’ difference using a tiny ass cropped image. The presentation was a failure.
Without a significant cpu upgrade, it’s not even a real game changer for new and upcoming titles. Space Marine 2, Cyberpunk, Dragons Dogma, and even gta 6 basically will still suffer from the same issues they are plagued by or will be plagued by.
Console + disc drive + stand = 950 euros, which, when converted to dollars, amounts to 1,046 USD. This is more than double what the PS4 Pro cost, which had a launch price of 399 euros. One must keep in mind that some European countries have a significantly lower purchasing power compared to the US. It’s truly outrageous.
So, taxes are included in the price, ps5 pro in america will be from 745 to 770 when taxes is included. You still paying more though So with %15 VAT ps5 pro should be around 728 euros. Sony is charging yall, around 50 euros more, son!
@@faisalmohamed328 15% is on the lower end in Europe. Most european countries are somewhere around 20% (I think the highest is 26% VAT even). In Germany it's 19% for everything (except food which has a 7% VAT)
@@megapro125they do that because they know europeans are loyal to their brand. They can't do that in the US because the xbox is still competing with Sony here.
We have tax included in our price in the UK. The US doesn't, so it's going to be something like an extra 10%, depending on the state. I don't know if the EU also has tax included, I would assume they do though. Although it's still more expensive in the UK, just by not as much as you think. Correction: 20% was not correct
@@lucasperi2197 You just proved the point even more. even if you take away tax it's expensive. The Series X on release was £450 shipped. so £250 on top of that for a PS5 pro is expensive considering technology has been getting cheaper.
What's Xbox going to do? Even if they were to release a pro of their own it wouldn't be any cheaper. Their base system is also still going at 500 Euro. Getting any worthwhile performance increase would cost at least 200 to 300 more.
I'm not about to share a pic of my grandmother on YT comments but believe me when I say that Mark Cerny looks identical to my grandmother when she was his age.
if you guys think Polyphony Digital is crazy with 8K, remember that back in 2008 they did a showcase for an experimental sony TV where they networked multiple PS3 systems together to output Gran Turismo 5 at either 240fps, or at 2160p. this was in 2008
@@travisjacobson682 It already costs over 800 dollars if you buy the disc drive and stand also. If you buy only the drive then it's probably right about 800 flat after tax. Edit: $809.97 if you buy the drive and stand according to MeriStation.
Same here. At the end of this PS5 gen, right now it is looking like I will be going to Switch 2 and retro gaming. I also might get more into board games.
I wonder if the inflated price of the disc drives for these driveless console models isn't really about extracting maximum value at all, but about getting the user base to give up on the idea but without obviously forcing them to. So they'll be left thinking "they gave us the option and we chose not to prioritise it so it was our decision". They obviously want to go in the maximum DRM direction but without making their loyal customers flock to the PC.
Remember how ps4 pro was twice the power of a regular ps4 and was priced the same as a launch ps4 while the regular one got a price decrease? Well now you get only 45% more power for 200 dollars more while taking features like the disc drive and the stand away from you.
Exactly!! Ppl need to realize that the OG PS5 manufacturing cost was about $450 at the very peak of the pandemic. In 2024 those parts must be way, way lower in cost. So not only keeping the OG unit at the same price, but *increasing* the price of the OG unit 4 years in, is *Insane* It's all because they have 4 years of market awareness and they know that they outsell the Xbox brand 3 to 1. So they have no need to have competitive prices when they have no competition (They consider Nintendo something entirely different). So maximum profits is the name of the game. "We will charge as much as we can get away with, and If ppl complain we blame it all on inflation"
@@latinochicocapitalism isn’t bad, this is a reflection of inflation and cost cutting. They already take a loss on Hw so this likely is to avoid further losses.
I mean not really? they're obviously not averse to raise prices and the scalpers have shown them what people are actually willing to pay. remove some percentage points and you're there.
Supporter question 4 highlights one of the biggest problems with the games industry. When more powerful technology is released, developers don't focus on "same quality graphics, better stability". They focus on "lets make our games look even prettier!!!" while the performance remains shit. And they definitely never focus on better story, more implementation of branching narratives (which should be the true power of gaming over TV/film/books), more quests which have multiple solutions (instead of just kill the guy / pick up the thing), or smarter games where NPCs react in more believable ways to the player's actions (both during gameplay and story choices).
@@MadsterV I'm not really asking for new genres. Some games have branching narratives. Look at Detriot Become Human or Baldurs Gate 3. But First Person Shooters and Third Person action games like Batman or Tomb Raider or Last of Us, etc, the story is completely linear. Look at how many ways there are to solve quests, or different factions you could side with in Fallout games. Wouldn't it be great to see that in the next Far Cry or Borderlands instead of just "the graphics look a bit nicer"?
Another big problem with the inflated prices is the fact that people's purchasing power has also dropped up to 25% or so over the past few years due to inflation and wages haven't gone up enough to compensate, so this price in the context of the broader economy is even more ludicrous than the nominal MSRP suggests
I will cancel PS Plus Premium next year when it expires. PPP or 3P service does not give us Spiderman 2 and GT7. No way to experience PS5 Pro features.
And Sony “😢😂”. Especially after seeing how much people payed during the pandemic for a ps5. (Which was over $700). Now you got Xbox bowing down to PlayStation by porting their games and making gamepass more important than their own console. Sony is in a position to make demands after a decade of delivering bangers. $700 over a $1000 pc is a much better deal. Especially since game developers actually care about supporting consoles than pc.
@@Luke973T Developers are already doing performance modes, whether Sony is mandating it or not, we don’t know, but I doubt it because Xbox does the same. Regardless, they could promise a 60 fps experience based on the PSSR tech, if they were confident that it could deliver that, which is why I noticed they were careful not to do. Maybe it is not as impressive as something like DLSS. Also, based on their own data, 75% of users choose performance mode. Doesn’t sound that stupid to me.
700 pounds with disc drive would have been acceptable for me, its the lack of disc drive and having to buy a add on drive that needs activating by a server that will one day go down that makes this a deal breaker for me.
What do you mean by that exactly? I heard them talking about that in the video but wasn't quite sure what they meant. Can you please elaborate? Thanks.
@@JeannieLoveWhich situation? Just get the regular PS5 if it's out of your budget range. My PC cost me $2500. $700-900 for the performance you're getting is a steal.
@@DBTHEPLUGthis is what I'm trying to tell people lol. PC is also ridiculously more expensive in the US than in other countries, while console is more expensive in other countries which is the other way around. Plus I can sell my ps5 to gamestop and I'm going to get the Pro for like less than $500. It is a no brainer for anyone with a ps5 that is a console gamer and plays it religiously, especially for online competitive games where more detail while sustaining a high framerate is more than worth it.
Here in Switzerland, current pre-order options for a PS5 Pro with a disc drive result in a more than 900.- swiss Francs price, which is more than 1000 US $. Thank god we Swiss are all billionaires, as everyone knows.
Because everyday he was hoping TSMC lower the price of 3nm to be able to make a real PS5 slim and a real PS5 pro. And now he have to release a dud knowing it's a dud.
Great point about PC Gaming. I have owned gaming consoles, and an old gaming PC with a 6700k and EVGA GTX1080ti. I played the Black Ops 6 beta on my PC, and it ran smooth as butter. PC gaming offers so much value, with the ability to upgrade easily, utilise more powerful components than consoles, and purchase games for peanuts, on platforms like the Steam sales etc. The only negative for PC gaming, is the image of all PC gamers being hackers, and how some AAA developers exclude so game features from the PC version of their games. For example, EA don’t include PC gamers to use the crossplay transfer market in their FIFA/EA FC games. I personally think the PC is the future of gaming.
@@thetechnosaiyan You can do so much more on PC than just play games though. So I guess people have to decide for themselves if they think they're getting value for their money in the long run.
@@NineS5If all I want to do is play games I’m still getting a pc bc I can play games from all eras, and if I run out of money I can start pirating them
@@NineS5 The correct argument would be: Do you want to play the titles compatible with PS5 Pro, or the ones that are compatible to PC, on that front PC eats the entire console generation, of any company like they are snacks since retro compatibility means, games from 1971 to the present are available on PC for those who care to play them. Plus the liberty on components, the variability in prices and the ever constant longevity of such components. I mean I7 CPUs from 10 years ago can still run modern titles at good speed and with the advent of FSR and DLSS (among others) framerate is not a bottleneck anymore. While I do understand that from a Console player perspective, PC looks way too complicated, the fact is that such complication is minimal if they care enough to get involved and profit from a thousand mile line of benefits along the ride, from prices, configurations, unofficial patches from the communities and of course, the mods. Consoles might be simpler at execution, but a bare minimum in gaming compared to the offerings of PC, again, if someone cares enough to get involved into entering that realm.
For something that's called a "Pro" you really are getting a bare-bones device. No disc-drive, no stand, Normal dualsense controller and not even the fancy Edge one (The normal dualsense price also has been increased by $5 since two days ago btw) You essentially are paying premium for minimal benefit.
@@Patrick-y4d1zthey can try all they want but it won’t work. There are too many of us with ps4 and ps5 physical discs that won’t be played, making that an impossible transition as much as they like to tell themselves it makes sense.
The benefit shown is SO minimal (especially when one is playing in motion) I was just watching this thinking it would make a good satire for the state of videogames. Who gives a solitary shit about the sharpness of a ship about 14 miles in the distance?
lol anyone who already has a ps5 will add only half of that price to get pro, I mean people should know how expensive are components and this price is still low, GPU in that thing is actually advanced for a console it is better than 3090TI for example probably something like 4070, so just google it add the price and see how much you will pay for a PC with these specs without keyboard and mouse lol
@@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom lol who told you it will be anywhere close to a 3090 ti Realistically I think it will come closer to a 3070/3070ti (which to be fair is still pretty respectable).
They reuploaded it in 4K after the stream, and you can easily see the difference. But I agree they should've never livestreamed in if they cannot do it in 4K. Just premiere it
Stand sure that is nickel and dime nonsense. However a pro controller? Xbox Series 2TB is $600 and has a standard pack in. I don't think Sony is taking a loss on these as it's such a small install base. Most important is the price reduction of the base PS5.
@@robf PS4 Pro replaced the PS4 for the same price 3 years after launch and they price cut the base console this they increased by 200 bucks and removed the drive.
Lmao, do you speak like this about PC’s? Say, as an example you buy the 4070TI... Where will you install it into since you also need cpu, psu, ram, monitor etc etc... PC's are not as cheap as you think and very expensive if you want the higher end. Well over $1000+ If you think objectively, for the price, it ain’t too bad all things considering. Let’s be real, most of the pearl clutching comes from no disc drive, not the price itself. I won’t be upgrading, but just gotta look at the facts. Facts are, yes, it is steeply priced, but arguably a fair price with or without a disc drive.
@@cbgg1585 But does it have the almost utterly useless addition of a high speed LightScribe DVD drive? Checkmate! =P (Yes, this is in fact a shite joke.)
Richard is spot on. I'm a PS5 owner, console gamer for 20 years, and all of this is pushing me to PC. Why would I spend $700 + $80 per year, when I could just save for a bit and buy a PC in the $1000-$1200 range? The only console worth considering anymore is whatever Nintendo makes, but I'm definitely done with PS and Xbox is dying too.
@geraltofrivia4936 That's just completely false. You can build a pc with a 7800x3d, a RX 7800XT and 32 GB of ddr 5 ram for around $1400US. A system that is significantly more powerful than a PS5 Pro. A system that you can upgrade down the line without having to repay for components you already own.
@@geraltofrivia4936 A 700 dollar PC crushes the standard PS5 with a ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6700/6750 xt while having free online you save almost 500 bucks over the ps5 lifespan.
Xbox is fine and while I will switch over to PC soon. At least some.of my Xbox games will already be waiting for me on PC already thanks to play anywhere.
Funny now everyone is realizing that you can't see true resolution and graphics through UA-cam. Been saying this and everyone looked at me like I had my head chopped off
One of the reasons why people think their consoles are as powerful as a high end PC because you can never see a difference with YT compression. Majority still won't know and assume YT videos are the end all be all for comparisons.
all of this falls flat with the price tag anyway. I'm a "good looking pixel enjoyer" myself, as soon as you go "alright, it's pretty now let's play for real!" the graphics literally don't matter anymore. So, at the end of the day, it's £900 for a few minutes of pixel peeping... It's outrageously expensive. I love good graphics (I'm a DF subscriber for years), I make enough to be 5 PS5 Pro every month without my wife noticing (for at least 3 months ^-^), and I find it way too expensive... There's no way around this, this is a massive fail.
True in a sense, but then don't you need a 8K TV to take advantage of PS5 PRO! Who has or sells 8K TV's in 2024? Now for the bad news, the PS5 Pro's price is beyond eyewatering. The console will cost a whopping $699 / £699 / AU$1,199 / €799 at launch. Most expensive in the UK! It seems pointless without a 8K TV too, many don't have 4K, if you have a console in a bedroom you likely have a sub 42 inch TV which will be HD only. No disc drive, an extra 1GB memory and a bit more powerful. Many will be more likely to be excited to buy the Switch 2 now.
@@JamJam0189 Aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself? The PS5 and XBSX can't do 4K, let alone 8K. PS5 Pro promises a consistent 4K experience with the potential for 4K 60. That's all. Of course, the PS5 promised the same thing. So did the PS4 Pro. The base PS4 promised a "Full HD experience", as did the PS3. So I'd say expect to be disappointed, but it should at least be an improvement...
Me too. Add disc drive and a stand to it too and you are over 800 Euros. And this is not even a new generation of console, its based on 4 year old technology with slight upgrades.
@@03chrisv I meant the whole package is 4 year old technology. And the upgrade is not significant that justifies double the price, even 4 year after launch. (400 Euros vs 800 Euros.)
In most games, the difference between fidelity and performance modes in terms of visuals is not as big of a difference as they're trying to make us believe.
It never is. You put the same game on the same TV on both of these consoles and 99% of the people can't tell the difference aside from the minor image quality differences. It's sure doesn't come close to being $700. You might as well buy a gaming PC if you care that much about graphics.
As somebody who's been PC gaming in the living room for about 8 years now, I really don't think they suck in the living room. Typically it takes me about 1 minute to set up all my stuff to play on my PC vs. maybe 20 seconds to get my PS4 going. Occasionally I have to click on a prompt. Other than that it's very smooth and I think people really oversell the difficulties and frustrations of PCs in the living room.
I was a Playstation guy since the first one ...i'm building a pc now for around 1200-1400 (should do ) i'm a very loyal Person but not if im going to be f.... Over and over again
After a slow but noticable decline into complacency, this really does feel like a giant misstep from Sony. It's strange because it's right on the heels of Astro's launch, a game which seems to rekindle the delight of "old videogaming"
This is a giant middle finger to the loyal early adopters of PS5 with disk drives. They simply don't care anymore. This is a result of Xbox being less competitive on the hardware market unfortunately, and Sony this taking full advantage. I usually buy the latest and greatest, but Sony has done a great job in asking me to save some money this time around.
Lmao brand "loyalty" is such an insane, ridiculous concept. It's hilarious how, in this day and age, people are still willing to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. Buying the "latest and greatest"... that actually delivers a minimum gain over the previous product. The timing of the PS5 Pro announce days after an underwhelming iPhone 16 reveal makes it even funnier. But in both cases, people will still buy because of their "loyalty" to the brand. A ridiculous behavior that can only lead to what is literally happening as we speak: companies shamelessly milking what is not their clients anymore... but their fanbase.
Blame Microsoft for Sony gouging PS fan boys, classic. They are not making enough off the games to sell the hardware at a loss anymore. Besides the pure greed, that is the main driver of this insanity. A general increase in all tech is also partially behind it.
That price without disc drive is insane. With luck will come with HDMI cable and Dualsense. After Concord and now we got this. Arrogant Sony back for more.
Without a vertical stand is insane and stupid, they sell it for 30 dollars but how much does it cost to produce it? 3? 5? It's just a piece of plastic and iron
They were pretty sensible sending that piece of junk out to die then officially killing it after two weeks, arrogance would have been keeping it going burning huge amounts of money on it
I think half step console upgrades should not be a thing. It just makes me think that the PS5 Pro should have been the regular PS5 to begin with. I felt the same way about PS4 Pro. Microsoft have made a lot of questionable decisions lately, but not releasing a half step console upgrade this generation is the right move.
They say this now but there is no chance they won't launch an upgrade. With GTA6 coming, they won't let Sony propose the better experience exclusive to their hardware.
Exactly. As soon as the "PS4 Pro" was released, it suddenly became acceptable to release games that _only_ ran well on the Pro - and reviewers only bothered reviewing games on the Pro, making it tough to get a handle on what the humble "base console" experience would be like. Mid-gen hardware refreshes can get in the sea.
@@Baguenaudeur PC has the better experience. Microsoft can be the cheap alternative to the overpriced PS5, it's not like MS is going to lose anything at this point
While this won't make it much better, it's important to remember the EU regulations state the consumer must see the price they will pay at the end for any product or service (something similar applies to the UK and JPN). This is different from the US where products and services are presented without tax. Taking this into account, we get a more down to earth comparison: USD 700 (Not including tax) GBP 583.33 (not including VAT 20%) EUR 666.66 (not including VAT 20%) (note that this varies by country, but ranged from 19 to 23% aprox.) JPY 109,090.90 (not including VAT 10%) Converting all these to USD (today), we end up with these prices: USA: USD 700 UK: USD 763.50 EU: USD 735.72 JPN: USD 768.74 So yes, the PS5 professional pricing is slightly more expensive outside the US, but not by that much, fortunately. (Then we remember some states don't have sales tax in the USA, and most don't even reach 9%... but Sony has no say here.)
@@BlackPaperMoon18 Japan and the UK. UK prices always include VAT. You can't use tax-inclusive prices for NA or EU territories because the tax rate varies by location.
@@BlackPaperMoon18 The UK and the EU establish that all pricing must be the final price the general consumer will end up paying when making the purchase, as such, it must include VAT. At the same time, this is never notified in any way. This last part is different from Japan because of a change in their law around 4 years ago which adopted the EU and UK system of having the final price displayed with the vat included, with the small difference being that because of the recent change, most pricing has the "tax included" text displayed next to the price number. This is not mandatory, but is a general practice that stems from the fact the change is recent, thus making sure people are aware of the vat being included. And there you have it, that's why the text is only under the JP pricing and not under the UK or EU one. As for US pricing, their entire system is different, with each state taking that tax money instead of the country itself. This inevitably makes it hard to display a final price with tax for the entire populace, thus prices are displayed without tax. Keep in mind this is a pretty rough explanation, so take it with a grain of salt, but the result is as we see, prices without tax added. As for the EU, unlike what coliander4180 says, prices MUST include VAT, this is by law. While a business can certainly have different prices for different EU countries that have different VAT %, most larger ones will have the same price on all EU territories. It might appear Sony would have to swallow the difference in territories where the VAT is higher, but don't worry, they certainly make sure it's the consumer that takes the hit. Though, in this case, we seem to have been somewhat spared, with Japan, ironically, getting the biggest slap. Edit: mistakenly repeated BlackPaperMoon18's name when I wanted to refer to coliander4180's on the 4th paragraph.
I love how these companies (Microsoft, Sony etc) complain about cost of producing stuff while they are at the same time making record profits in the region of tens of billions of dollars. They certainly think we're stupid.
@@slipneira Just to illustrate further, I paid retail AUD $750 for the PS5 disc edition (came with stand) and AUD $650 for the Series X before the price rises. Access to both libraries for less than the price of this PS5 Pro.
@@weirdomonkeyI have both consoles and the series x has been better value for money particularly how cheap games are particularly on the Xbox store, gamepass is also better value for money.
I was so friggin disappointed by this whole announcement. So a PS5 Pro with the disc drive and a stand is $810, that is such a high number for a relatively small increase in performance. I was hoping for at least a new game announcement to really show off what the PS5 can do. Everything they showed were games I already played. $810, damn.
You are right. But the price was already decided last year, when new desktop GPUs released for higher prices, while offering pretty small performance improvement. Now console players have to pay this hefty premium for a new toy too. It just could not be any other way. AMD wants more money and sells their chips for higher prices now, so Sony has to raise prices as well.
@@BlackTone91 PS5 does 4K already, Pro doesn't do three times that. The presentation made it look like the same checkerboarding they used on PS4 Pro, where every other vertical line is missing and filled in with AI instead of just being half a picture being smushed across the screen, but either way is actually only half the real pixels of 4K, but it's a good trick to make it look like 4K. That's how they're running it at 60fps, double the frames at half the res, with the extra 20% power used to AI upscale it.
That's the PS5 Wall. Mark's been working on it since the lockdowns. It's a dev kit that can only play a compilation of PlayStation Duck demos that Mark made specifically for the Wall, but has yet to show
The RTX 4090 can barely handle 8K gaming in configurations with top-end CPUs, and Sony is talking about 8K in configurations with Zen 2 + a GPU at the level of the RX 6800-7800XT. Sure, sure.
The $699 price point is pretty high for me, but the realization of the lack of stand, disk drive, and that it was literally $300 more in Europe with those things included made my jaw hit the floor.
Ipad and laptops still cost more.
@@dllemmLaptops and Ipads can do more than play video games
@mathgod3015 like they said the experience isn't the same.
@@mathgod3015 yes most people also watch movies with them, browse the Internet and listen to music.
It, of course, comes with a disk drive but the lack of disc drive is ridiculous (ridisculous?)
For $699 I l expect sony to atleast include a stand and take me out for dinner.
You can only keep the stand for ONE night. You'll need a Stand Subscription if you want to continue using it.
@@dmgiceso would it be a "one night stand"?
You were too broke to afford it at 500 anyways😂😂
@@romeocalmooh no a billion dollar corporation fangirl.
@@Rrr20058bvscI am a fanboy. So long as Sony and other corporations like Tesla continues to pay me dividends/benefit me financially, I’ll simp for as long as I can. 😂
The missing disc drive is the killer for me. Not just for my games but for my 4K/Blu-Ray collection. The disc drive is essential.
They should have kept the disc drive and 1TB instead of the 2TB
@@alexk9295If they did, y'all would be crying about that
You can just buy the add-on. I already ordered one this morning
@@PositionOffsetGaming I don't want to have to buy an addon anymore than I want dongles on my PC.
@@PositionOffsetGaming 😂
Sony gave an uncompressed 68 GB .mov file to IGN of their PS5 Pro presentation… This file should be accessible to public and not locked behind a paywall. We are looking to you guys to save the day!
DF would put it behind a paywall too..
These guys lick the boot of sony.
@@VanSanProductions Y'all are wild, they don't even offer the uncompressed file to their Patreon subscribers lol. Their site doesn't have the bandwidth to support thousands of people trying to download a +65GB file.
I’m a PC gamer and have a PS5, I won’t be buying this anytime soon-if at all.
However, if I wasn’t a PC gamer, I can see the value in the extra power, if it does what it needs to do. A.K.A Fidelity mode at a steady 60fps. In that case I’d buy it.
However if they go disc-less with the PS6, I won’t be buying it until they rectify that at little to no additional cost and work-if at all.
If enough of us do that we can change the market direction just like we have done with EV cars.
It's a shame to everyone involved including Sony... They could released it as a 'Game' with a video file inside. They could've released on their website. Or even as a downloadable video on PS Store
I love how they called it a technical presentation but contained zero technical details. It's basically just a marketing reel, and a poor one at that.
Literally gave technical details about how powerful it is lmao. The entire thing was there to show it off
@@GhoulSolo___ Those weren't details... that was pure marketing. Plebeians think it's details, and that's all they need.
So you didn't watch the presentation? Got it.
@@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S I mean to be fair its a console... Its not using off the shelf parts, so its not like they can say "this has an amd xyz now". Giving percentages and showing gameplay comparisons are the only way to market this tbh. The casual gamer doesn't even understand what cores are
@@GhoulSolo___”literally gave technical details” very next post “never said they were details” lmaoooo
nothing like expressing true power like showing a bunch of older games
Games that work and play fine on a base PS4 no less 😂
I guess if you're ok with 30 fps. That's unplayable for me.
those old games run at 30 fps on ps5 , and now they run at 60 fps 4k my man , get some facts
@@playin4k611So you only started gaming post 2002 then
Official Australian price is $1200 AUS for just the console. Then you add the drive and the stand and you're looking at $1400 AUD which is just absolutely insane.
Yeah, I just saw the AU pricing, unrealistic to ask that much, I got my ps5 on launch day, was looking at upgrading, but I don’t feel it’s worth it for the graphical upgrade and I don’t want to pay even more for a disc drive.
Build a pc with that money instead.
@@James-xs9mn that's the plan ahha
Ever heard of math? 800 Euro is 1326 Aus. It's cheaper than it is in Europe.
@@kimpossible4450 and? Just because it's cheaper here after conversion doesn't make the price better
Japanese price is about equivalent to a months rent in a 2 bedroom apartment in Tokyo
Greek price is also very near to what you're saying.
The cheapest move was removing the stand and charging $30 for the piece of plastic that must cost $2 to them.
It stands vertically on its own.
Probably they want people to just put it horizontally to reduce the probability of liquid metal failure related risks.
I can buy a big fan or a toaster for $30. Charging $75 for their shitty controllers is crazy too.
@@tim3172 it’s always a dumb business decision to raise price and take away what was given for cheaper earlier. Especially for something that should not cost much to them.
@@photosinneighborhood Well, Apple charges 250€ for an iPhone storage upgrade that costs them around 2€
Not having a drive at that price is outrageous
u have 2 tb nvme that cost wayyy more than a damn drive that you gonna use 1 time in a year lol
It has a drive, it's 2TB.
@@deadscene1I use the drive every time to play the games ...
@@deadscene1 Why don't get people like you who doesn't mind having no ownership of physical copies. How long do you think Sony will keep operate their digital store?
@@XGN05 i don't buy games on consoles , using only the ps premium sub to play whatever they have on premium and classic catalog , i own tons of pc games on steam ,
Guys in Europe it's 950 with disc and base, right now ps5 slim is discounted at 400. It's more than double the price with not even double gpu performance
And same CPU 😂
Go to build a pc that comes close to a ps5 pros price for that price mate 😂 cause I guarantee you won’t come close it’s a good price
@@OTDECKyeah but you can save an extra 500 bucks for the pc and it will be much better than the pro. Id rather do that.
@@stefandinu6389 no you can’t 🤣 and honestly think about it logically the pc has no great titles lol you reply on Sonys games to showcase the hardware, I mean wukong is a showcase for pc, but outside of that what games do these 3-7 grand pcs showcase ? Half life ? lol hades ? Point and click games ? Strategy ? Pcs are only good for gamers who play competitive online shooters facts
@@Andre-nu8fy have you had that confirmed? What evidence have you seen
The price is very clearly Sony testing the waters to see how far they can push it.
Like Ngreedia did with the 3080 Ti.
They saw how people bought the ps5 from scalpers during covid and said “we can do that”
Thats exactly it @kylewente9114
@@kylewente9114This. 💯
@@xxSLAV33xx the waters are already tested. A lot of people were paying 800 dollars or more for a ps5.
I look forward to hearing PSSR pronounced as "Pisser" in many future videos.
The Pisser Console that globally pissed off all gamers at launch.
@@lordspalse0062 With highly detailed graphics too
Yes please! 🤣
@@cliffturbo2146eh nope, but it’s still value at that price point. For a console if they utilise that 45% additional power it’s definitely a step in the right direction.
@@colinbrydon7659 you ain't gonna notice shit cause devs have to opt into that upgrade, and most devs aren't going to do that. Most games on that pro is gonna look and play the exact same on the ps5. and lets not forgot aout their already lacking exclusive library that is moving to pc where if you really want that power, that is where you should go.
consoles should have never been focused on power, but a cheaper alternative for gaming with exclusives on the side.
You people who care about power so much should really just bite the bullet and get a pc that you can just keep upgrading instead of being delusional, sony won't praise you fordefending them.
RIP to Europe €800, no disc drive and no vertical stand
European price already includes the sales tax (VAT), US price doesn't.
$1200 for Australia, added $150 for us on top of the conversion from US to AUD.
Does@@boshi9
960$ canadien 1100$ with the taxes
My man, imagine for us here in Latin America…
The PS4 Pro sold somewhere around 15 million units, close to 12% of the total sales of the PS4 and when it was released, it "took" the price that the base PS4 had on the shelfs (and the PS4 got a permanent reduction) and on the other hand, it was almost doubling the power and targeting 4K gaming and the difference in performance was quite obvious. To sell the PS5 Pro, they put Mark Cerny on a 9 minute tech dive and he gave us stills from 4-year-old games that you had to zoom in x5 to see the difference. If the analysts in question estimate that PS5 Pro will sell the same as the PS4 Pro that had all the momentum and objective conditions in its favor, I don't know what they are smoking…
They think their consumers are morons, and for the most part they're right.
The PS4 was routinely $250 when the PS4 Pro came out.
All Sony did was lower the (already irrelevant) MSRP.
Black Friday 2016, you could get a PS4 for $225 with two games.
They don't really care how many PS5 Pros are gonna be sold. They just want to make the regular PS5 feels less expensive without actually cutting the price.
It's a 4D chess move, if you think about it!
@@davidsentanu7836 Maybe, it also serves to future proof this gen and extend its life another few years. Might be the right choice in the long run. Sell it for a premium now which makes the original SKU look more attractive and by the time it's really needed it can drop to the original's MSRP.
It's strange to compare the PS5 generation to the PS4 generation, when the PS4 generation was much cheaper to produce because its hardware was dog crap.
950 in Europe with disc drive. Absolutely nuts
I can easily build a PC for that price here in the UK that's just as good.
$699 USD + TAX (vertical stand not included) (disc drive sold separately)
How much is the tax in usa?
11,000NOK that’s more than my rent in Oslo
That'll be 900 if you want the disk drive nearly 950 if you want the stand also
It varies by state@@matacachorro4090
@@jamesthomas2410 who wants a disk drive?
You know it’s serious when Rich busts out the ring light.
😂
The PS5 Pro may be $700, but a DF Direct will always be free!
Found the non Patreon sub!
Hey I paid for that
Not really you are paying internet
@@danielcastaneda4975not if you are on public wifi
*priceless
"Fortunately we have a product for people who don't have access to a PS5 Pro and that is the PS5" -Don Mattrick
Imagine buying a ps5 pro + disc drive + stand, then you go home boot up rdr2 and it still runs at 1080p 30fps💀💀💀💀
Thats why i rely on my tv's motion smoothing ability, which makes stable 30fps look like 60 with not big, remote play kinda input lag. I just finished RDR2 yesterday, oh man, second half of game in that first playthrough was so intense and fun. In first i didn't quite feel characters and story but as i got used to i started enjoying very intensely. On the second playthrough it would be fun from start i bet, already recognizing characters.
Oh yeah they have not patched that game for 60 fps on PS5 right?
@Pako9713 Jesus just get a PC
Almost a grand for 30 FPS in RDR2, Batman Arkham Knight and Bloodborne, with bad frame pacing to boot. Sony must be completely off their rocker 😂
@@Optim121 i own pc and rdr2 on steam but playing on my ps5 is more comfy and thanks to stand by i can pause game wherever i want. On pc i work.
I like how all of the sudden, the ps5 has 'blurry' games.
And choppy too
It always has on 4K displays. And you can't watch this channel without seeing DF begrudge FSR's impact on image quality in current gen games
Then when PS6 comes out suddenly PS5 Pro is "extremely blurry and low-res"
@pakkitman what kills about DF not liking FSR/DLSS/Upscalers in general is they used to laugh at the user's that hated all those upscale. People noticed the difference from native to upscale from jump but it was just people being sticklers and negative then.
Like no. Upscaling is literally missing the forest for the trees. We don't need upscaling, we need devs to reel back that graphics scope creep. Like we can't keep chasing graphics to this extreme, it is the actual problem. We could have a machine capable of 8k 144fps and devs will still push graphics until it runs at 8k 30fps or 8k 60+ but with fsr slapped on it.
Unironically Nintendo focusing on quality games and good/decent performance on proven not high end tech is the way to go.
We are 100% in a gaming bubble.
@@alexisdelangel13 upscalers are only getting better year over year. And given that tech like path tracing is a boon for developers, having tech that lowers technical requirements is necessary, especially for console. I agree that a lot of the best looking games this gen are the ones that don't push RT and other tech that crushes image quality, but these games will eventually look great once we all have the horsepower to run them
I knew it would have a price increase, my estimate was $600 for the digital version, and $650 for the disk drive version, but $700 without the drive, and the fact that they're too cheap to even include the damn vertical stand, is just insane to me.
Yeah, that was my estimate, I thought it would pretty good since new xbox console was $600 without any upgrades, and having the ps5 pro at the same price would be good for sony since would be a no brainer which console to get. But $700 its a bit much.
Sony lost the plot when they moved their PlayStation HQ from Japan to California. This has been a long time coming.
For 700 quid? It should have the stand, it should have the drive, it should have a DualSense Edge. Hell, it should have the full Astro Bot thrown in. (The 2TB is good. I'll give them that. But then all the more baffling not to put it in the video!)
Both versions include 2TB disk drives.
@@KingSword-f8y new XSX version has 1 upgrade: 1tb more storage. Not much but it is one upgrade. These companies charging way too much for more storage and u can't store $ hit on discs anymore
If we count these consoles as media hubs for the living room, then they need disk drives for 4k/blu-ray movies.
Support for Dolby vision would be nice too
Bespoke stand not included.
Disc drive also not included.
You'd think for paying that much for the Top of the Line PS5 model, everything would come with it like the original PS5 but NOPE. 🤦🏻♂️
Inflated ego also not included, extra tax may be incurred on that purchase.
My man
Console falls down, warranty is void, you are now left with useless brick that can't play one game and either go buy another one with a stand ($720) or switch to PC/Switch 2/Xbox.
Bespoke = Digital Foundry’s catchphrase
PS4 Pro replaced the PS4 for the same price, kept the disc drive and they replaced the base model with the slim for a price cut 3 years after launch.
PS5 Pro, 200 dollar price increase and remove the disc drive 4 years after launch.
Xbox series X new console.. exact same but more storage for 600quid.. I say a 700quid pro for a far superior console is good
Right because 2016 is an identical financial state to 2024...
right people have even less money and struggle to pay rent@@PixelBaller
@@hulkhogan12345superior to what?, you are justifying paying $700 plus taxes to play what they promised with the original PS5? 4K/60 🤣🤣
300 euros price increase here in Spain. It's disgusting.
The presentation was so underwhelming that I wasn’t sure there’d be anything too exciting in this video, but hearing Rich officially adopt “PiSSeR” made it all worthwhile
Console players will think they have this new cutting edge tech that PC's can't do. Happens every time and it doesnt stop being hilarious.
Console is still better than PC in terms of comfort, optimization, price, almost no errors, noise level and such and cleanliness.
While on PC you have to spend 1000+$, deal with so many errors, dealing with temperature/cooling, Software issues, viruses, cable management, noisy fans and much more
@@yak-machining "optimization" ? Watch DF's video about Black Myth Wukong where they explained how the developers achieved the 60 fps on the PS5 console. Optimisation is not a hardware but a software issue. And on PC you usually have many options in the game settings to adjust the way a game runs and looks like on your specific system. A luxury one will never have on consoles where the coice is often just between "Performance" (worse quality) and "Quality" (worse framerate).
He isn't wrong....im a pc gamer@heideknight7782
@@wjacob33 Not wrong about what? Optimisation? I give an example as a console player (SX): the recent Lords of the Fallen game (Hexworks 2023) ran very poorly on both consoles (PS5 and SX) after its launch. There were many posts on the Reddit for this game where the performance was criticised (stuttering, low fps, freezing, etc.). It took the developers multiple patches to make the game playable on the consoles. And that is what I wanted to say: if the developers do not understand "how to optimise" their game for the console platforms there is no benefit of having this platform over a PC. The only exception to this is for the console exclusives, of course, since they are developed specifically for this hardware.
700 bucks, we are back to 3DO release prices, baby. What a time to be alive.
The 3DO launched in October 1993 for $699. Adjusted for inflation it's $1509 in 2024. Wanna try again champ?
Even the PS3's launch price $499 & $599 in 2006 is a lot more than $699 in 2024.
If only we had the multiple manufacturers using the same standard part of 3DO
@@electrikoptikyou'll grow out of this childish fanboy phase when you become an adult and you will look back at comments like these with embarrassment. I used to be the same way 10 years ago and I still cringe about it. Now, in the off chance that you actually ARE an adult... I'm so terribly sorry that life turned out this way for you...
What is 3DO?
@@electrikoptik buddy it was a silly joke post, lighten up
The funniest thing to me about the way Sony tried to compare the image quality between PS5 and PS5 Pro was that they would crop a zoomed in image but then only fill 60% (or less) of the screen so it didn't even feel zoomed in.
Edit: like look at this 21:11 who thought that was the best way to showcase what they wanted?
Yeah I was very confused why they did that. Especially when they also showed comparisons on full-screen.
Showcasing PS4 games is madness.
The weirdest way to present the detail shots. They should have got DF to do them 😁
This was so weird to me, like, let's not zoom in too much it will look bad
Commented on this myself. What’s this joke all about. Seriously. Trying to show you the ‘huge’ difference using a tiny ass cropped image. The presentation was a failure.
The best marketing they can do is send you guys a Pro asap to do testing and make videos on it
Squint and you'll see improvements 😅
That's what I'm waiting for
Lol they are so out of touch with their consumers they had cnet! Instead 😂 CNET! LOL WTF
@@DP12321 That's after pausing the game.
C'mon, Sony chose CNET so they could tell them what to say. It's not a coincidence CNET uploaded such poor quality video.
Without a significant cpu upgrade, it’s not even a real game changer for new and upcoming titles. Space Marine 2, Cyberpunk, Dragons Dogma, and even gta 6 basically will still suffer from the same issues they are plagued by or will be plagued by.
We live in a Pisser era
Sukmadik
I cracked every single time they said it in this video lol
Real PSSR’s know this
I like Pee-Sir too.
🤣
Console + disc drive + stand = 950 euros, which, when converted to dollars, amounts to 1,046 USD. This is more than double what the PS4 Pro cost, which had a launch price of 399 euros. One must keep in mind that some European countries have a significantly lower purchasing power compared to the US. It’s truly outrageous.
So, taxes are included in the price, ps5 pro in america will be from 745 to 770 when taxes is included. You still paying more though
So with %15 VAT ps5 pro should be around 728 euros. Sony is charging yall, around 50 euros more, son!
@@faisalmohamed328 15% is on the lower end in Europe. Most european countries are somewhere around 20% (I think the highest is 26% VAT even). In Germany it's 19% for everything (except food which has a 7% VAT)
@@megapro125they do that because they know europeans are loyal to their brand. They can't do that in the US because the xbox is still competing with Sony here.
Add storage
@@faisalmohamed328taxes? Not in my state sir.
I’m at the stage where I’m more excited for the DF videos than I am about that actual products these days. An hour of joy thanks guys :D
Mood
Real
True dat😂
I don't even own a PS5, in fact I've never owned a console.. But these talks are so calming to me
Indeed haha.
$699 would be bad even with the Disc drive and the stand included.
But without those things included, the $699 price quickly becomes ridiculous.
LOL go buy a PC
The $699 price gave me PTSD flashbacks to the PS3 days.
Yes but at least the A and B models, launch PS3s, came with disc drives. My A model still works great.
at least with ps3 You really have a state of the art machine with free online
They better revive Ridge Racer now
PS3 launched at $499 and $599 in 2006.
$599 was for the version everybody wanted. $599 is $935 adjusted for inflation.
adjusting for inflation the ps3 was actually a lot more expensive
It wasn’t a technical presentation it was a 9-minute advert
Which I wouldn't mind if it was a good product and fair price.
"You dont like Concord. Fine. Pay for them anyway."
Or just say no like a smart person lol
facts
@jooyichen or just boycott all Sony's products
I heard Astro Bot is not selling well in the UK.
Exactly 😂👍🏻
31:48 Alex almost gaining class consciousness 😂
£700 = €830 = $917 = ¥129,600
The UK is getting the worst deal here.
Even compared to the Australians?
We have tax included in our price in the UK. The US doesn't, so it's going to be something like an extra 10%, depending on the state. I don't know if the EU also has tax included, I would assume they do though. Although it's still more expensive in the UK, just by not as much as you think.
Correction: 20% was not correct
@@lucasperi2197 You just proved the point even more. even if you take away tax it's expensive. The Series X on release was £450 shipped. so £250 on top of that for a PS5 pro is expensive considering technology has been getting cheaper.
I think the PS2 is still selling for the equivalent of $1000 in South America.
@@ronald3836nope, you can find one in the flee market for 20 bucks.
What a lack of competition does to a company.
What's Xbox going to do? Even if they were to release a pro of their own it wouldn't be any cheaper. Their base system is also still going at 500 Euro. Getting any worthwhile performance increase would cost at least 200 to 300 more.
@@VincornelisXbox could release amazing first party games. Instead we got Halo Infinite, Redfall and studio closures which make zero sense.
Xbox don't need a pro these companies not using the full potential of the xbox series x now@Vincornelis
@@nikitos3558 well they're actually looking somewhat promising on that front now but it's too late.
@@Vincornelisit would come with a disk drive though 😂
After 7 years we can finally play ps4 games at its best quality. The real PS4 Pro has finally arrived!
Ps4 pro was a joke
@@duffgan8845 Precisely that's what i think Of PS5 pro.
"Went down like a cup of cold sick" lmfao
I'm not about to share a pic of my grandmother on YT comments but believe me when I say that Mark Cerny looks identical to my grandmother when she was his age.
He has a motherly air to him
I believe you
He's gone T
Mark Cerny looks like he’s getting ready for the up and coming Oasis concerts.
He sounds like ryan reynolds trying to sound smart
For that price I expect Mark Cerney to move into my house and buff the PS5 Pro with Duraglit each time i use it.😂
He will have to work harder than father Christmas at Xmas, and all year round... But he is pretty thin so should fit down the chimney.
For that price I expect Mark Cerny to personally come scan my ears
That would cost more like $700 every 2 or 3 months.
Love how the PS5 Disc drive is centered in Rich's camera shot. Not sure if it was done intentionaly but very funny.
Steam tried to address living room with Big Picture.
if you guys think Polyphony Digital is crazy with 8K, remember that back in 2008 they did a showcase for an experimental sony TV where they networked multiple PS3 systems together to output Gran Turismo 5 at either 240fps, or at 2160p. this was in 2008
Think was gran turismo idea for psvr 2 not sony
Idk why but the lack of a disc drive bugs me a hell of a lot more than the price
I honestly would likely upgrade IF it came with the drive
this worth an upgrade only if u play on 4k oled tv and u want 4k 60 fps , since ps5 can only do 30 ,i already put my ps5 on ebay, happy to upgrade
Same. That's the real insult in my head lol.
Would you upgrade if it had been $800 and included a disc drive?
Yep. That would've been my plan, too. Upgrade my PS4 to PS5 as a new blu ray player.
@@travisjacobson682 It already costs over 800 dollars if you buy the disc drive and stand also. If you buy only the drive then it's probably right about 800 flat after tax. Edit: $809.97 if you buy the drive and stand according to MeriStation.
Mark Cerny reminding me somewhat of Garth from Waynes World these days.
Sony F£$%ing drained the life out of him , he almost looked like AI
Hahahahaha, spot on bruh!
"It went down like a cup of cold sick"
Such a good line.
No disc drive is fucking wiiiiiild dude. I don’t know I can’t get with the 100% digital future. I think I’ll stay here in the past thanks :)
Same here. At the end of this PS5 gen, right now it is looking like I will be going to Switch 2 and retro gaming. I also might get more into board games.
I have over 500 ps5 and ps4 physical games. I don't need that pathetic pisser shit if a console.
I will never buy a digital game in my life
Actually glad they made it this easy to just keep my OG Ps5! Not even kidding.
I know right. It was hard for me to get it due to covid back then. Makes it that more special. Lol
Yeah this isn’t for everyone, it’s for the hardcore enthusiasts
@@unnderneath "Hardcore enthusiasts" 🤣 This is a console not a PC m8 cope harder.
@@Fatman4our2wenty I’m not coping, you don’t have to buy it. They don’t have a gun to your head. If you can’t afford it just say so 🤷🏽♂️
Exactly, the price suits a PS6 not an upgraded PS5. Def not buying, maybe in 2026 when price drops
rich brought out the influencer light lol
unfortunate 😭
Got self conscious after seeing Cerny’s wrinkles in 4K
Beautifully raytraced.
I wonder if the inflated price of the disc drives for these driveless console models isn't really about extracting maximum value at all, but about getting the user base to give up on the idea but without obviously forcing them to. So they'll be left thinking "they gave us the option and we chose not to prioritise it so it was our decision". They obviously want to go in the maximum DRM direction but without making their loyal customers flock to the PC.
Remember how ps4 pro was twice the power of a regular ps4 and was priced the same as a launch ps4 while the regular one got a price decrease?
Well now you get only 45% more power for 200 dollars more while taking features like the disc drive and the stand away from you.
Yep capitalism at its finest
Exactly!! Ppl need to realize that the OG PS5 manufacturing cost was about $450 at the very peak of the pandemic. In 2024 those parts must be way, way lower in cost. So not only keeping the OG unit at the same price, but *increasing* the price of the OG unit 4 years in, is *Insane*
It's all because they have 4 years of market awareness and they know that they outsell the Xbox brand 3 to 1. So they have no need to have competitive prices when they have no competition (They consider Nintendo something entirely different). So maximum profits is the name of the game. "We will charge as much as we can get away with, and If ppl complain we blame it all on inflation"
@@latinochicocapitalism isn’t bad, this is a reflection of inflation and cost cutting. They already take a loss on Hw so this likely is to avoid further losses.
The APU was updated to be physically smaller as well. This reduces cost.@@J.A.Z-TheMortal
@nalong55 "capitalism isn't bad" LMAO
Sony testing the price reaction for the PS6!
Which will be just a upgraded CPU..
Ps6 =1000 usd
@@Redpillliving PS6 will be the biggest leap in technology for mankind since the discovery of fire.
I mean not really? they're obviously not averse to raise prices and the scalpers have shown them what people are actually willing to pay. remove some percentage points and you're there.
@@Z3t487 and i'm the tooth fairy's son
I am just here for them snickering with every single utterance of "PSSR." 😆
Supporter question 4 highlights one of the biggest problems with the games industry.
When more powerful technology is released, developers don't focus on "same quality graphics, better stability". They focus on "lets make our games look even prettier!!!" while the performance remains shit.
And they definitely never focus on better story, more implementation of branching narratives (which should be the true power of gaming over TV/film/books), more quests which have multiple solutions (instead of just kill the guy / pick up the thing), or smarter games where NPCs react in more believable ways to the player's actions (both during gameplay and story choices).
to be fair, updating tech to use the latest available is much more straightforward than inventing new affordances or genres.
@@MadsterV I'm not really asking for new genres. Some games have branching narratives. Look at Detriot Become Human or Baldurs Gate 3. But First Person Shooters and Third Person action games like Batman or Tomb Raider or Last of Us, etc, the story is completely linear.
Look at how many ways there are to solve quests, or different factions you could side with in Fallout games. Wouldn't it be great to see that in the next Far Cry or Borderlands instead of just "the graphics look a bit nicer"?
Another big problem with the inflated prices is the fact that people's purchasing power has also dropped up to 25% or so over the past few years due to inflation and wages haven't gone up enough to compensate, so this price in the context of the broader economy is even more ludicrous than the nominal MSRP suggests
Yep UK wages on average have stagnated whilst people are in a cost of living crisis
Yep...
@@rangersnutexactly same in ireland many left to 🇬🇧 US and Australia
$884.49 out the door for a Pro with a stand and a disc drive is comedy
1000+ with taxes
Don’t forget PS+ while your at it
They really do have the fanboys by the balls, we know it will only be them that will buy this 😂
I will cancel PS Plus Premium next year when it expires. PPP or 3P service does not give us Spiderman 2 and GT7. No way to experience PS5 Pro features.
Absolute joke. When the trailer you're living in costs you $50k, it's time to consider buying a house.
Price reaction: “Hey Sony! 🖕”
This must be why they no longer do live presentations...
And Sony “😢😂”. Especially after seeing how much people payed during the pandemic for a ps5. (Which was over $700). Now you got Xbox bowing down to PlayStation by porting their games and making gamepass more important than their own console. Sony is in a position to make demands after a decade of delivering bangers. $700 over a $1000 pc is a much better deal. Especially since game developers actually care about supporting consoles than pc.
@@johnsilver6316The PS5 has 22 exclusives games. 22 in four years. And that includes a lot of shovelware and VR-exclusive games.
I’m glad they didn’t include the stand to keep the price down
Underrated comment.
That plastic stand probably costs Sony a pittance to produce.
@@JadziaDaxDS9that’s the joke.
“Pisser” for pssr is hilarious 😂😂😂
Boys will be boys :P
Does anyone else keep picturing Ted Striker from Airplane?
PSSR missed the opportunity to abbreviate to PSSSR. The extra S for the Station in PlayStation
Mark cerny turning into grandma right before our eyes
“Invasion of the body Snatchers” Dana Carvey
The wording was very careful to not promise or guarantee a new locked 60 fps standard, which was clear by Hogwarts still running at 30.
They will never promise that. They would have to mandate that to devs and that would be stupid
@@Luke973T Developers are already doing performance modes, whether Sony is mandating it or not, we don’t know, but I doubt it because Xbox does the same. Regardless, they could promise a 60 fps experience based on the PSSR tech, if they were confident that it could deliver that, which is why I noticed they were careful not to do. Maybe it is not as impressive as something like DLSS.
Also, based on their own data, 75% of users choose performance mode. Doesn’t sound that stupid to me.
Hogwarts with RT runs like shit even on the best PC hardware. They really should have picked different games.
@@jorge69696therein lies the problem. THERE ARE NO GAMES
this thing will not run 4k60
700 pounds with disc drive would have been acceptable for me, its the lack of disc drive and having to buy a add on drive that needs activating by a server that will one day go down that makes this a deal breaker for me.
What do you mean by that exactly? I heard them talking about that in the video but wasn't quite sure what they meant. Can you please elaborate? Thanks.
When you are mad for the $699 in US remember that it costs about $880 in Europe. Is just ridiculous.
Europe and UK prices include tax, US price does not 🤷♂️
@@mjc0961 Still over $100 cheaper once you factor in worst case sales tax of 10% in the US.
I'm mad for y'all, too. This whole situation is f'd.
@@JeannieLoveWhich situation? Just get the regular PS5 if it's out of your budget range.
My PC cost me $2500. $700-900 for the performance you're getting is a steal.
@@DBTHEPLUGthis is what I'm trying to tell people lol. PC is also ridiculously more expensive in the US than in other countries, while console is more expensive in other countries which is the other way around. Plus I can sell my ps5 to gamestop and I'm going to get the Pro for like less than $500. It is a no brainer for anyone with a ps5 that is a console gamer and plays it religiously, especially for online competitive games where more detail while sustaining a high framerate is more than worth it.
Ratchet is such a clean, good-looking game to begin with. It's hard to see ps5 pro difference on UA-cam given that especially
1:07 I want that "I emerge triumphant" on a T-shirt.
Here in Switzerland, current pre-order options for a PS5 Pro with a disc drive result in a more than 900.- swiss Francs price, which is more than 1000 US $.
Thank god we Swiss are all billionaires, as everyone knows.
Mark Cerny looks like he aged 15 years in the last 4 years.
hopefully he is alright and feels well........
Probably due to the price of the Ps5 Pro.
prolly stress from Concord 😀
Because everyday he was hoping TSMC lower the price of 3nm to be able to make a real PS5 slim and a real PS5 pro. And now he have to release a dud knowing it's a dud.
@@kryptomaniac4946Fairgame$: Imma make it 20 years!
Great point about PC Gaming. I have owned gaming consoles, and an old gaming PC with a 6700k and EVGA GTX1080ti. I played the Black Ops 6 beta on my PC, and it ran smooth as butter. PC gaming offers so much value, with the ability to upgrade easily, utilise more powerful components than consoles, and purchase games for peanuts, on platforms like the Steam sales etc.
The only negative for PC gaming, is the image of all PC gamers being hackers, and how some AAA developers exclude so game features from the PC version of their games. For example, EA don’t include PC gamers to use the crossplay transfer market in their FIFA/EA FC games.
I personally think the PC is the future of gaming.
That image is changing
@@thetechnosaiyan You can do so much more on PC than just play games though. So I guess people have to decide for themselves if they think they're getting value for their money in the long run.
@@NineS5If all I want to do is play games I’m still getting a pc bc I can play games from all eras, and if I run out of money I can start pirating them
@@NineS540 series has been great, it’s the first series with the ability to do Path tracing at decent fps, even at my res; 3440x1440.
@@NineS5 The correct argument would be: Do you want to play the titles compatible with PS5 Pro, or the ones that are compatible to PC, on that front PC eats the entire console generation, of any company like they are snacks since retro compatibility means, games from 1971 to the present are available on PC for those who care to play them. Plus the liberty on components, the variability in prices and the ever constant longevity of such components. I mean I7 CPUs from 10 years ago can still run modern titles at good speed and with the advent of FSR and DLSS (among others) framerate is not a bottleneck anymore.
While I do understand that from a Console player perspective, PC looks way too complicated, the fact is that such complication is minimal if they care enough to get involved and profit from a thousand mile line of benefits along the ride, from prices, configurations, unofficial patches from the communities and of course, the mods.
Consoles might be simpler at execution, but a bare minimum in gaming compared to the offerings of PC, again, if someone cares enough to get involved into entering that realm.
For something that's called a "Pro" you really are getting a bare-bones device.
No disc-drive,
no stand,
Normal dualsense controller and not even the fancy Edge one (The normal dualsense price also has been increased by $5 since two days ago btw)
You essentially are paying premium for minimal benefit.
I think the PS6 will be the same. No disk drive but you can buy one and clip it on.
Means they can rapidly move people to digital only
@@Patrick-y4d1zthey can try all they want but it won’t work. There are too many of us with ps4 and ps5 physical discs that won’t be played, making that an impossible transition as much as they like to tell themselves it makes sense.
The benefit shown is SO minimal (especially when one is playing in motion) I was just watching this thinking it would make a good satire for the state of videogames. Who gives a solitary shit about the sharpness of a ship about 14 miles in the distance?
lol anyone who already has a ps5 will add only half of that price to get pro, I mean people should know how expensive are components and this price is still low, GPU in that thing is actually advanced for a console it is better than 3090TI for example probably something like 4070, so just google it add the price and see how much you will pay for a PC with these specs without keyboard and mouse lol
@@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom lol who told you it will be anywhere close to a 3090 ti
Realistically I think it will come closer to a 3070/3070ti (which to be fair is still pretty respectable).
They reuploaded it in 4K after the stream, and you can easily see the difference. But I agree they should've never livestreamed in if they cannot do it in 4K. Just premiere it
Should have had a disc drive, a stand, and a pro controller included at that price.
Stand sure that is nickel and dime nonsense. However a pro controller? Xbox Series 2TB is $600 and has a standard pack in. I don't think Sony is taking a loss on these as it's such a small install base. Most important is the price reduction of the base PS5.
@@robf PS4 Pro replaced the PS4 for the same price 3 years after launch and they price cut the base console this they increased by 200 bucks and removed the drive.
Lmao, do you speak like this about PC’s?
Say, as an example you buy the 4070TI... Where will you install it into since you also need cpu, psu, ram, monitor etc etc... PC's are not as cheap as you think and very expensive if you want the higher end. Well over $1000+
If you think objectively, for the price, it ain’t too bad all things considering. Let’s be real, most of the pearl clutching comes from no disc drive, not the price itself.
I won’t be upgrading, but just gotta look at the facts. Facts are, yes, it is steeply priced, but arguably a fair price with or without a disc drive.
@@cbgg1585 But does it have the almost utterly useless addition of a high speed LightScribe DVD drive? Checkmate! =P (Yes, this is in fact a shite joke.)
And a weekend euro getaway. That price is absurd.
Richard is spot on. I'm a PS5 owner, console gamer for 20 years, and all of this is pushing me to PC. Why would I spend $700 + $80 per year, when I could just save for a bit and buy a PC in the $1000-$1200 range? The only console worth considering anymore is whatever Nintendo makes, but I'm definitely done with PS and Xbox is dying too.
Your $1000 - 1200 pc will be worse than a normal ps5.
@geraltofrivia4936 That's just completely false. You can build a pc with a 7800x3d, a RX 7800XT and 32 GB of ddr 5 ram for around $1400US. A system that is significantly more powerful than a PS5 Pro. A system that you can upgrade down the line without having to repay for components you already own.
@@geraltofrivia4936
A 700 dollar PC crushes the standard PS5 with a ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6700/6750 xt while having free online you save almost 500 bucks over the ps5 lifespan.
Xbox is fine and while I will switch over to PC soon. At least some.of my Xbox games will already be waiting for me on PC already thanks to play anywhere.
Relax. It was never for you.
John's face looks more high fidelity on YT than any of the examples that were shown in the PS5 Pro showcase.
They need to rename this thing PlayStation 5 intermediate.
Funny now everyone is realizing that you can't see true resolution and graphics through UA-cam. Been saying this and everyone looked at me like I had my head chopped off
One of the reasons why people think their consoles are as powerful as a high end PC because you can never see a difference with YT compression. Majority still won't know and assume YT videos are the end all be all for comparisons.
all of this falls flat with the price tag anyway. I'm a "good looking pixel enjoyer" myself, as soon as you go "alright, it's pretty now let's play for real!" the graphics literally don't matter anymore. So, at the end of the day, it's £900 for a few minutes of pixel peeping... It's outrageously expensive.
I love good graphics (I'm a DF subscriber for years), I make enough to be 5 PS5 Pro every month without my wife noticing (for at least 3 months ^-^), and I find it way too expensive...
There's no way around this, this is a massive fail.
I think its cause people can't see a difference that makes sense to buy a expensive console without a drive
True in a sense, but then don't you need a 8K TV to take advantage of PS5 PRO! Who has or sells 8K TV's in 2024? Now for the bad news, the PS5 Pro's price is beyond eyewatering. The console will cost a whopping $699 / £699 / AU$1,199 / €799 at launch. Most expensive in the UK! It seems pointless without a 8K TV too, many don't have 4K, if you have a console in a bedroom you likely have a sub 42 inch TV which will be HD only. No disc drive, an extra 1GB memory and a bit more powerful. Many will be more likely to be excited to buy the Switch 2 now.
@@JamJam0189 Aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself? The PS5 and XBSX can't do 4K, let alone 8K. PS5 Pro promises a consistent 4K experience with the potential for 4K 60. That's all. Of course, the PS5 promised the same thing. So did the PS4 Pro. The base PS4 promised a "Full HD experience", as did the PS3. So I'd say expect to be disappointed, but it should at least be an improvement...
People in the US complaining about $700 and I'm sitting here in Europe looking at €800....
Based of those priced it going to $1050 in Australia. Still getting though. Lol
Me too. Add disc drive and a stand to it too and you are over 800 Euros. And this is not even a new generation of console, its based on 4 year old technology with slight upgrades.
@thingsiplay To be fair the GPU is a hybrid of RDNA 3 and 4, so the GPU part is definitely not 4 year old technology, it's very much modern.
We have medical bills to pay and bullets to buy, so...
@@03chrisv I meant the whole package is 4 year old technology. And the upgrade is not significant that justifies double the price, even 4 year after launch. (400 Euros vs 800 Euros.)
In most games, the difference between fidelity and performance modes in terms of visuals is not as big of a difference as they're trying to make us believe.
Especially if you have a display less than 32". Pixel density FTW
@@RonanAquilius In Demon’s Souls performance and quality mode look almost exactly the same.
It never is. You put the same game on the same TV on both of these consoles and 99% of the people can't tell the difference aside from the minor image quality differences. It's sure doesn't come close to being $700. You might as well buy a gaming PC if you care that much about graphics.
Tell that to square enix
@@ThomasVvVyes indeed but in unreal engine 5 games the performance mode is allways blurry, and the fidelity looks alot crisper. Its the only engine
As somebody who's been PC gaming in the living room for about 8 years now, I really don't think they suck in the living room. Typically it takes me about 1 minute to set up all my stuff to play on my PC vs. maybe 20 seconds to get my PS4 going. Occasionally I have to click on a prompt. Other than that it's very smooth and I think people really oversell the difficulties and frustrations of PCs in the living room.
That is certainly true since we got 120Hz TVs with Freesync. Some of them are effectively big monitors.
I've been gaming for around 40 years and this is the first time I've really felt priced out of gaming.
More like extortioned, the price is still low compared to a functional gaming pc, but 1000 is insane for a console
Gaming really is turning into a premium thing, sadly they don’t have the games to back it up, happy i moved on to pc as my main platform
@@MrErik783 I think many will
I was a Playstation guy since the first one ...i'm building a pc now for around 1200-1400 (should do ) i'm a very loyal Person but not if im going to be f.... Over and over again
After a slow but noticable decline into complacency, this really does feel like a giant misstep from Sony.
It's strange because it's right on the heels of Astro's launch, a game which seems to rekindle the delight of "old videogaming"
Richard's response to the apple mac wheel joke "excellent" Rich is so funny
the stream was cranking full bore 4K60 when i watched it through my TVs built in app and it looked very clean... mark cerny uses a fancy razor
For that Price, i expect Cerny to deliver the whole thing to My Home.
Gaben style!
Gabe newell did it for the steam deck.
I would pay $699- to keep Mark Carney away from my home. He looked and spoke so creepy in that video.
Nah he will have fun times with your wife and family and you'll pay for it ofc
@@MrKrewie weird thought to have
This is a giant middle finger to the loyal early adopters of PS5 with disk drives. They simply don't care anymore. This is a result of Xbox being less competitive on the hardware market unfortunately, and Sony this taking full advantage. I usually buy the latest and greatest, but Sony has done a great job in asking me to save some money this time around.
Lmao brand "loyalty" is such an insane, ridiculous concept.
It's hilarious how, in this day and age, people are still willing to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. Buying the "latest and greatest"... that actually delivers a minimum gain over the previous product.
The timing of the PS5 Pro announce days after an underwhelming iPhone 16 reveal makes it even funnier. But in both cases, people will still buy because of their "loyalty" to the brand.
A ridiculous behavior that can only lead to what is literally happening as we speak: companies shamelessly milking what is not their clients anymore... but their fanbase.
Blame Microsoft for Sony gouging PS fan boys, classic. They are not making enough off the games to sell the hardware at a loss anymore. Besides the pure greed, that is the main driver of this insanity. A general increase in all tech is also partially behind it.
If Playstation had a deal with Black Myth Wukong like you reported wouldn't they have use it to show the power of the PS5 pro?
That price without disc drive is insane. With luck will come with HDMI cable and Dualsense. After Concord and now we got this. Arrogant Sony back for more.
Without a vertical stand is insane and stupid, they sell it for 30 dollars but how much does it cost to produce it? 3? 5? It's just a piece of plastic and iron
Welcome to 2024.
They were pretty sensible sending that piece of junk out to die then officially killing it after two weeks, arrogance would have been keeping it going burning huge amounts of money on it
Ps5 pro, scalpers nightmare edition!
i dont think even scalpers are gonna bother with this one
Good luck finding the disc drives for a few months. They'll be $200 for a while
@@scoop3142 right! 🤣
@@rmo9808 i forgot about that..
I think half step console upgrades should not be a thing. It just makes me think that the PS5 Pro should have been the regular PS5 to begin with. I felt the same way about PS4 Pro.
Microsoft have made a lot of questionable decisions lately, but not releasing a half step console upgrade this generation is the right move.
Couldn’t agree more. They’re charging $700 for this crap when it’s only doing what they set the expectation the launch ps5 would be capable of
microsoft isn’t doing a refresh cause no one would buy it lol
They say this now but there is no chance they won't launch an upgrade.
With GTA6 coming, they won't let Sony propose the better experience exclusive to their hardware.
Exactly. As soon as the "PS4 Pro" was released, it suddenly became acceptable to release games that _only_ ran well on the Pro - and reviewers only bothered reviewing games on the Pro, making it tough to get a handle on what the humble "base console" experience would be like. Mid-gen hardware refreshes can get in the sea.
@@Baguenaudeur PC has the better experience. Microsoft can be the cheap alternative to the overpriced PS5, it's not like MS is going to lose anything at this point
While this won't make it much better, it's important to remember the EU regulations state the consumer must see the price they will pay at the end for any product or service (something similar applies to the UK and JPN). This is different from the US where products and services are presented without tax. Taking this into account, we get a more down to earth comparison:
USD 700 (Not including tax)
GBP 583.33 (not including VAT 20%)
EUR 666.66 (not including VAT 20%) (note that this varies by country, but ranged from 19 to 23% aprox.)
JPY 109,090.90 (not including VAT 10%)
Converting all these to USD (today), we end up with these prices:
USA: USD 700
UK: USD 763.50
EU: USD 735.72
JPN: USD 768.74
So yes, the PS5 professional pricing is slightly more expensive outside the US, but not by that much, fortunately.
(Then we remember some states don't have sales tax in the USA, and most don't even reach 9%... but Sony has no say here.)
You mean it's different from the land of the free where they are pretty much used to getting victimized by big corporations yes 😂
Finally, somebody with sense.
But there is (tax included) only below Japan price. Not Europe. So if i understand they are all tax included or only Japan.
@@BlackPaperMoon18 Japan and the UK. UK prices always include VAT. You can't use tax-inclusive prices for NA or EU territories because the tax rate varies by location.
@@BlackPaperMoon18 The UK and the EU establish that all pricing must be the final price the general consumer will end up paying when making the purchase, as such, it must include VAT. At the same time, this is never notified in any way. This last part is different from Japan because of a change in their law around 4 years ago which adopted the EU and UK system of having the final price displayed with the vat included, with the small difference being that because of the recent change, most pricing has the "tax included" text displayed next to the price number. This is not mandatory, but is a general practice that stems from the fact the change is recent, thus making sure people are aware of the vat being included.
And there you have it, that's why the text is only under the JP pricing and not under the UK or EU one.
As for US pricing, their entire system is different, with each state taking that tax money instead of the country itself. This inevitably makes it hard to display a final price with tax for the entire populace, thus prices are displayed without tax. Keep in mind this is a pretty rough explanation, so take it with a grain of salt, but the result is as we see, prices without tax added.
As for the EU, unlike what coliander4180 says, prices MUST include VAT, this is by law. While a business can certainly have different prices for different EU countries that have different VAT %, most larger ones will have the same price on all EU territories. It might appear Sony would have to swallow the difference in territories where the VAT is higher, but don't worry, they certainly make sure it's the consumer that takes the hit. Though, in this case, we seem to have been somewhat spared, with Japan, ironically, getting the biggest slap.
Edit: mistakenly repeated BlackPaperMoon18's name when I wanted to refer to coliander4180's on the 4th paragraph.
I love how these companies (Microsoft, Sony etc) complain about cost of producing stuff while they are at the same time making record profits in the region of tens of billions of dollars.
They certainly think we're stupid.
We are stupid.
😂
I don't think those profits are from the hardware sales though. More from digital store sales, peripherals and subscriptions, perhaps
@@RandomGamingMoments925 So why do they have to make huge profits on the hardware as well?
In Australia it’s PS5 Pro 2TB (Digital) - $1,199.95 AUD
PS5 Pro 2TB with Disc Drive purchased separately- $1,360 AUD
Don't forget the $50 stand. Its $1410 all in.
This is absurd! Sony’s PlayStation division is losing the plot of its own story.
😔
@@slipneira Just to illustrate further, I paid retail AUD $750 for the PS5 disc edition (came with stand) and AUD $650 for the Series X before the price rises. Access to both libraries for less than the price of this PS5 Pro.
@@weirdomonkeyI have both consoles and the series x has been better value for money particularly how cheap games are particularly on the Xbox store, gamepass is also better value for money.
@@slipneira the story of the PlayStation is coming to an end that match is clear now
Lack of competition is a big reason why the high price tag. I’ll just wait until PS6
I was so friggin disappointed by this whole announcement. So a PS5 Pro with the disc drive and a stand is $810, that is such a high number for a relatively small increase in performance. I was hoping for at least a new game announcement to really show off what the PS5 can do. Everything they showed were games I already played. $810, damn.
You are right. But the price was already decided last year, when new desktop GPUs released for higher prices, while offering pretty small performance improvement.
Now console players have to pay this hefty premium for a new toy too. It just could not be any other way. AMD wants more money and sells their chips for higher prices now, so Sony has to raise prices as well.
3x the pixels is small increase?
Console user realizes that more FPS, more RT, higher res is more expensive.
@@BlackTone91 PS5 does 4K already, Pro doesn't do three times that.
The presentation made it look like the same checkerboarding they used on PS4 Pro, where every other vertical line is missing and filled in with AI instead of just being half a picture being smushed across the screen, but either way is actually only half the real pixels of 4K, but it's a good trick to make it look like 4K.
That's how they're running it at 60fps, double the frames at half the res, with the extra 20% power used to AI upscale it.
Add just ONE game to that and it becomes $900 to play ONE game.
If they showed how the pro handled games like Wukong and Warhammer at considerably better image quality and framerate, I'd have been sold.
I wouldn't not for that price point, with no stand and drive. F that.
They did show dragons dogma 2
0:12 is that a giant ps5 behind Mark Cerny in his wall or am I seeing things.
Get off drugs mate
That's the PS5 Wall. Mark's been working on it since the lockdowns. It's a dev kit that can only play a compilation of PlayStation Duck demos that Mark made specifically for the Wall, but has yet to show
That's the Ps5 super pro but don't worry the wall mount for it only costs 2999$
Now I can’t unsee it! 😱
The RTX 4090 can barely handle 8K gaming in configurations with top-end CPUs, and Sony is talking about 8K in configurations with Zen 2 + a GPU at the level of the RX 6800-7800XT. Sure, sure.