What's The Best Electric Car? Tesla Dominates In The Ultimate Comparison
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- 11 electric cars race 1,000 miles on city streets; clean sweep on the podium.
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Car and Driver recently tested 11 electric cars in the ultimate test. How long does it take them to travel 1,000 miles? Contenders include the Audi e-tron, Ford Mustang Mach-E, Kia Niro EV, Nissan Leaf Plus, Polestar 2, Porsche Taycan 4S, Tesla Model 3 Performance, Tesla Model S Long Range, Tesla Model Y Performance, Volvo XC40 Recharge, and Volkswagen ID.4.
We'll compare claimed charging speed versus actual average charging speeds for electric cars, and look at how long it takes each of the 11 contenders to charge up for 100 miles of highway driving at 75 mph. Additionally, we will compare stated EPA range versus actual highway range.
For the road trip, this video will compare overall traveling time, charging time, how much slower the competition is versus the fastest car, how much slower everyone is versus a gas car, and average speeds. We'll also discuss charging infrastructure, headaches, navigation, planning, and the Electrify America charging network.
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The mom test... That should be an included metric in determining how good any product or service is. If your mother cannot understand it, it needs more development.
This ^^
Truly good engineering means it is easy, and even intuitive, to use.
Point.
Totally. His mom, my dad... They need tech-illiterate people to be able to, without any help/training, operate the vehicle.
It's also why apple products are do well with moms and other tech illiterate people. "It just works" as opposed to the many configuration options you have to go through with Windows.
I was really surprised that it's already been 3 years with your Tesla. I remember like it was yesterday when you returned your first one and got the P instead :)
He said the car has been out for 3 yrs....he hasn't owned it that long
@@blackvr4tt I think he's owned his Performance for about 2.5 years at this point. Maybe a little more. But yeah, the Model 3 Performance was *released* about 2 years and 10 months ago.
@@blackvr4tt 1st model 3 deliveries in July 2017, its been out 4 years
@@Zarphag Not the Model 3 performance, it came out in 2018
@Jimmy Edward Tesla always releases the higher trims first. They started with the long range RWD, then Performance, then Dual motor. For a short time they had the mid range. Eventually the standard range plus was released.
Absolutely loved that sign off "There's no chance, whatever", lol! I totally agree, but we can still try :-)
Agree! I have both Model 3 and a manual gas car and love them both. Everyone have their own need and a car that would fit them.
The internet is full of good wholesome information. The internet is full of weird s#!t. Both statements be true for eternity.
Yeah, I suggest a game for everyone - next time you are about to post a negative reaction to someone, click "cancel" instead of "reply". At that point it really doesn't matter, you already got it out of the system by typing it, might as well let it die there :D I do that sometimes.
@@peter.g6 you sound like my coworker that writes crazy negative and pissed off emails to "vent" to leadership then doesn't actually send them. Lol
@@nicke20686 Haha, wait till he accidentally sends it one day :D
Leaf owner here and he's right, it's not a good road trip car. It's great for around town though!
Totally, I’ve had one for 6 years now and love it for local
I have a Ford Focus Electric and same thing. Truly wonderful car when you’re traveling
I drove a nissan leaf arround a bit and it was awesome! I wanted one but then charging.... hmm I don't need the range most of the time, what to do?!
I love my leaf! Just sold the ‘14 and bought a ‘21. It’s a much better generation all around.
@@firehog it I was buying today, it wouldn’t be a Leaf unfortunately, too many other options, Bolt for one, and Tesla Model 3, for another
How do you drive, remember statistics and speak fluidly all at the same time.
Impressive indeed!
Yeah, I wonder how many takes he has to do, he always sounds so natural.
I suspect for this gentleman, his driving time is his thinking time.
Cocaine and steroids.
Auto pilot makes it easy
Jason’s comments at 16:00 reminds me of GM ‘s experiment with diesel engines in cars in the late 70’s. The experience was so bad that it basically ruined the North American market for diesel powered cars. Manufacturers should take note.
Fortunately, Americans already think Tesla when they think EVs.
Sadly I don't recall and are not familiar with this debacle that you mentioned...sounds a bit suspicious to me considering the money at stake and comparing cars in Europe that are diesel powered. What's really ironic to me is that by double the efficiency of the best electric vehicle is a diesel hybrid that Volkswagen made called the ev1... And that's not factoring in the efficiency of biodiesel we have today.
@@sickjohnson I recall it all too well.. My dad had a 1979 Olds diesel 260ci Cutlass.. nice car........... except for the 105hp engine and plastic geared trans.. crap.
Very good point. It's going to be really hard to win the masses over one good mess up could ste things back for years.
@@kalasmournrex1470 we all remember the job GM did on the Ev1...They built it and leased it with one hand and slit its throat with the other. Even when they were building the Chevy Bolt, they were spreading lies about electric cars to sell their 1st gen Chevy Volt (a very good HYBRID CAR NOT AN EXTENDED RANGE EV!)
I'm learning more in the Engineering Explained video about Car and Driver's test than I did in their video which basically told me nothing.
CD is a magazine... so they want you to buy the magazine. Which has all the details that this video just recapped.
@@geomtol Fair enough! But watching the C&D video, I didn't even know there was an accompanying magazine article. Not a single, "check out our print edition for more details" plug. So, I'm going to suggest that C&D still should improve their video production quality.
I love Car and Driver but somehow they have missed the whole UA-cam thing which is one of the best platforms for car reviews.
Interesting to bo so positive about Tesla Cars while having a Heavy dose of skepticism about many of Tesla's ambitions such as FSD.Just goes to show you don't have to be a Tesla Fanboy to aknowledge just how good Tesla cars are.
Why you think they are good?
They are oversized RC cars, thats it.
And i think its more of a problematic that a criminal like Elon Musk is supported and presented as the one which will rescue the whole world and send us to mars if it goes wrong.
In fact i like the idea of EVs but only with more advanced batteries, but i dont like this abusive criminal Elon Musk which deserve a lot, but nothing good ;)
Your one-take eps are amazing, Jason!
Really appreciate it, thank you!!
@@MidnightMustang Ive always assumed that he did the math live when he fills out the blanks in his whiteboard, or memorized all the test answers. I would need a cheat sheet off camera.
The Tom Scott of engineering
I really enjoyed this video. Jason is such a great teacher.
Thank you, happy to hear it! :)
@@EngineeringExplained :P
@@EngineeringExplained The Chang Li beats Tesla hands down.
@@mattparker9726 What does "Street Fighter" have to do with EV's?
The ID4 has a 260 mile range at $40,000. The model 3 Performance has a 315 mile range at $57,000. That makes a big difference. The more similar Tesla in terms of price and states range would be M3SR+. That's at 263 mile range and at $40,000.
"The internet can be a fun, educational, happy place.." I actually laughed out loud.
This entire video is so contingent on the charging situation in the USA that much of it has little value for Europe...
Well, also in Europe is still troublesome in many locations, chargers don't work, charging at highway getting very expensive, not enough chargers, and the navigation systems are mostly the same by often not providing the most convenient chargers along the route ... so Tesla's supercharger network is also much more convenient in Europe than using any other operator.
I have seen dozens of European videos where people show up to charge and it’s a clusterfuck. Broken chargers, complex software problems, weird apps that are impossible to use, etc. It seems like europe is further along the curve with public chargers but not by much
@Noah McNeill Diesels are widely available. Most heavy duty trucks are diesel. For cars it's basically non existent (other than Smart cars, oddly enough), but big diesel trucks like the Ford 350 are all over North America because that's how the blue collar trades get down. If you need to tow trailers or do heavy hauling, there's a good chance you drive a diesel.
Tesla has confirmed that they are opening the SC network to other brands. That is 1 major convenience advantage gone.
Dude, you nailed it. I wish, however, that these tests would include the model 3 LR, instead of only ever including the performance version. Also,bid like to see the polestar 2 done again after their updates - that is such a rad car.
It would also be nice to see them include the SR+ since most 3’s on the road I see are that model including mine. Don’t understand why they don’t include all Tesla models just to compare them all. It’s like they think everyone is only buying the higher end Tesla’s.
Also would've been cool to see the updated long range S because it has improved charging. Ik its not quite available yet but I still want to see it lol.
It's hard for them to get specific versions of a car to test, especially since Tesla no longer has a PR/press division and they have to borrow cars from owners.
@@stephenj4937 meh, they're marketing to us as readers, and they'd get more eyeballs on their mag if they did include diff models. Their company makes enough money on adverts, they can afford to rent one.
Have a model 3 LR AWD and have test driven the Polestar 2 and i fully agree!
I just took a 650 mile road trip in a model 3 standard range plus and I could not agree with you more it was a incredibly seamless process to get charged up to continue the trip I could not imagine showing up to only one charger 🤯
I want to sign and underline everything you said.
I love EVs. I think the Mach-E is a very cool car. I think the Taycan is absolutely awesome.
BUT. No one, absolutely no one is remotely close to what Tesla does.
The ownership experience is just 2 or 3 levels above anything else.
I do not plan roadtrips with my Model S. I get in the car and drive.
And it works. Every single frickin time, so easy that my grandma could do it.
You cannot even mix up regular gas and diesel. (haha)
Tesla has done one thing all others haven't: They have re-thought how a car should work.
It's a clean sheet design and it shows absolutely everywhere.
The first Model S shipped in 2012, it's 2021 now. No other carmaker has managed to do OTA updates
for absolutely everything on the vehicle. It is 9 years later. How the heck can that be?!
I love not having to get a yearly service and regular spill'n'fills, I do not miss dealerships in the slightest.
Best product I've ever bought, and I'm not going back.
F150 and Mach-e have over the air updates. Other EVs can use tesla chargers. I just tracked a tycan...tesla isn't even remotly close to what that thing is capable of. Competition is good and certainly not two to three levels below lol
@@BigBoyJon But the OTA at Ford is apparently limited in scope. Or how do you explain all the owners being called back to the dealerships to apply updates?
The problem here is the trope that charging speed for long trips is the major determinant for buying an EV.
The vast bulk of cars are not used for frequent long trips.
Fixating on road trips is a unique distraction and the primary attack strategy for the anti EV crowd.
On the contrary, how many people in the U.S. drive full sized pickups and will never haul more than groceries.... Having the capability, even if it's not used, is still valuable.
You know if Porsche gives you a number they’re either spot on or conservative. I love the company for their absolute trust in their engineering rather than their marketing department.
Like with the turbo s
16:25
I think what you said there is ESPECIALLY poignant when you factor in that these issues are from ESTABLISHED auto makers. You know... the ones that were saying that what Tesla was doing was "no big deal for them".
I'm still perplexed why they didn't use the new Tesla Model S, Long Range Model 3, and Long Range Model Y -- you know, the cars you would buy for a rode trip. Why would they pick the least efficient versions of the car for the test??
Probably because they would have totally aced it, and where's the fun in that.
Probably because Tesla axed their PR department and getting one of the new cars as a press car wasn't possible since from what I know they borrowed the Teslas used for the test from owners.
Probably to not show too much of a lead :). There's a reason I didn't get the performance, I wanted the extra efficiency and quicker travel time when I need to road trip.
I'm not surprised. Most mainstream media dont want Teslas to look good.
Wasnt the modey Y long range??
The correct title: "The best Electric Car for long road trips in the US"
Yup, no one in Europe thinks driving 1000 miles with hardly any breaks is normal
Yeah I agree, I clicked this video suspecting a comparison between different electric cars on multiple aspects not just their ability to drive a 1000 miles...clickbait it is what it is, I dont regret watching the video though.
@@armadillito Pretty common in Australia. Nowhere near the chargers though 😒
North America, Canada is all sparse and spread out as well. Most of my relatives are 1400km away if I want to visit them during the summer, which I do every few years.
@@Arcticwhir Ok, then lets talk about performance, like accelaration, top speed, or about the technology used, or about traction control, or about the motors used...
Jason to VW and Volvo: Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?
@Fernando believing that some day your dad will come back from the store
It's not a story the car makers would tell you!
Volvo anddd Polestar are much nicer cars than Teslas. More premium and much better fit and finish. Tesla's off the table for me because of their fit and finish issues, and nightmarish service.
@@777Outrigger 2 year owner of model 3 performance service has been good for me just schedule an appointment in the app and they will get back to you
Brilliant, Jason. Really apreaciate all your analytical input and great work!
Arguably the best channel on the internet, for gear heads, tech nerds and the curious in general!
Dude! You are absolutely freaking KILLIN IT!
So very kind, thank you James!
What I find most interesting about the C/D test is that they excluded the Chevy Bolt.
They reached out, but GM did not provide it. I believe bc of the revamp currently happening.
@@EngineeringExplained And not because Chevy didn't want to risk the Bolt suddenly catching on fire while it was charging 😉 🔥
🤣👍
We have done a 1000 mile trip 4 times with my Y Performance. It typically takes us 9 hours each way which includes all the restroom breaks, charging and food. Compared to our prior ICE cars, that trip also took about 9 hours each way. Basically, we stop twice with the Tesla and eat which charging and it's always done before we are ready to go. The not so obvious thing is that auto pilot on the highway and the seats make it so much less tiring making it a much more relaxed experience.
Tesla seats are the best
Nine hours, including rest and food?
WTH is your average road speed?
I have solo driven 800 mile (each way) trips ~6 times so far in my Y LR. They are almost always 4 stoppers for efficiency, but 2/3 is possible with the right spacing. Every time I use autopilot, I like it less, but it's not like I need it to be comfortable, so that's okay. I hate how commonly it brake checks literally empty air. Anyways, my estimation so far is that basically trips like these are all about bladder and stomach tolerances. For me personally, I've found my Y LR to be approximately 30 min slower per 500 miles driving than I was in my FFH, which isn't "nothing", but also isn't something I consider a deal breaker. 9 months, 15k miles it has been a blast.
@@jimurrata6785 I'm assuming he means 1000 miles round trip.
@@zachary3777 Thanks for the reality check.
That makes a lot more sense.
Jason on bar charts:
He's way out of line but he's right.
Whenever buying any technology always buy what it can do today, never buy technology by what it promises to be - MKBHD
That’s the reason I ordered a Tesla. Also the reason I didn’t get FSD.
My 2016 MacBook Pro came with only usb-c ports. I STILL can't walk into Best Buy and buy a usb-c external hard drive or memory stick. It's a joke.
@@jasondashney must be hard living with only 2 ports
@@shr2000 4 ports. I love how i can charge from either side of the computer though. That was the ONLY benefit.
It would have been nice if Car and Driver had included, as an experiment control, an ICE SUV/sedan to make this study just to compare the EV vs. ICE driving experience of a 1000mile (sorry, 1600 kM) road trip. Also, the total overall charging/refueling cost for this road trip.
re: "It would have been nice if Car and Driver had included, as an experiment control, an ICE SUV/sedan"
An incredibly late reply to this, but the idea was to include an ICE vehicle, however there was a lack of available drivers due to the pandemic. As far as cost was concerned... it was not cheap, I assure you.
The best electric car is the one you can afford, here in Europe Tesla are way overpriced compared to the USA
Gigga berlin should help that out
@Aryan A Car sales taxes too.
They're pretty overpriced over here too lol
So... You're saying a golf cart is the best electric car for me.
In France model 3 sr+ was 36000€ and you can have more help depending of what you earn and where you live, that's not that expensive, I don't know a lot of car better for this price
great ending, by the way!
if only world would be like that.. but EU wants end of the ICE cars and go full BEV.
It reminds me of Bob Ross "happy little accidents"
No mention of the Chevrolet Bolt? Until recently, the pricing made the Bolts a no-brainer. 260 miles of range, decent tech. Surprisingly good build quality.
Except the batteries.
@@waynerussell6401 they have fixed that for 2020 up. Still one of the best value EV, and hard to beat the range at that price point
I can get like 250 miles out of my Leaf in town driving but on the highway it loses miles quickly. It's great for daily commuting and what not but road trips not so much.
Idle curiosity: do you know why that is? Is it degradation due to sustained draw/lack of regen. braking events etc.? Or am I off-base entirely?
@@MidnightMustang I wasn't asking how electric cars worked. Thanks.
The reason is more air resistance at highway speeds so drag causes you to lose efficiency.
@@MidnightMustang Why bother? I was asking a vehicle owner if he had any insight into a shortcoming of his vehicle relative to the rest of its segment. You really believe I just don't understand friction exists, and decided to ask a random person in a comment section about it?
I'm sure I could have phrased it more carefully, but it doesn't seem like you read my question either way. Then decided to answer it regardless, citing factors that affect every vehicle on the road and are irrelevant to the question posed.
@@AtlasJotun it's way less efficient at higher speeds, air resistance and general drivetrain efficiency. At low speeds and especially if you accelerate slowly it's super efficient. I could probably get close to 270 miles in the city, not using AC or heater or anything. Using the AC, at highway speeds I'd be lucky to get 170 miles.
I have a gas car for road trips but use the Leaf for any day trip that's within 100 miles or so, which covers 99.9% of my driving. Great car.
Thank you for making this video. I read the magazine and had some of the same observations. To understand why they chose the Ford as best EV you have to follow the money. Always enjoy your videos.
See - Sandy Munro teardown of the Mach-e HVAC , it will change your mind.
@@markplott4820 lol that clusterfuck almost made Sandy kick the bucket
This is basically it. I actually read through their report of why they chose the Mach-e and it’s like they were stumbling to find an answer. Just BS’d some excuse to act like they aren’t a marketing company with economic reasons to gold star certain brand. No problem with it, but if you can give a legitimate *reason* for why it outperforms the competition, maybe there are ulterior motives somewhere. Tbh id put it in my top 5, if not my top 3, but come on literally the BEST EV of the year? Sure C&D, sure.
I'm hoping the competition forces Tesla to up their quality control. They're good at tech but lacking elsewhere.
I own two...a Model 3 and a Model Y....zero quality issues. Don't believe the hype.
That isn't actually true. Do you have any statistics on "quality" which demonstrate an issue? People tend to say that but I don't see it.
@@afdave7 I'm a detailer and have a good set of eyes in my skull. I knew my comment would rustle some jimmies, but it's from my personal observations working with automobiles day in and day out.
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@@johnditoro1676 I'm glad you're happy with them. Obviously you're on the other side of the fence and not a single thing anyone could possibly say would change your mind.
@@bandwagon240 I am simply sharing my opinion based upon almost 30,000 miles of owning and driving Teslas. These is so much disinformation out there from people who have never even been in a Tesla....things like "hours to charge while on a road trip", "terrible quality", " the single screen is so difficult compared to all of my traditional dials, buttons and displays", "auto steering doesn't work". Every one of those is false. I even ran into two traditional car dealers (one Volvo and one Ford) lying about some of these things. The Ford dealer, on their website, claims that Ford's charging network is superior to Tesla's. I am fine with listening to others as long as they are fact based, not hearsay.
A super important point no one makes, Tesla makes 10,000 super chargers per year. Ford, 0. GM, 0. Porsche, 0. VW only makes chargers as a punishment for deiselgate. These other automakers don’t want to make EVs. They’re dragging their heels hoping it’s just a fad.
If that's what you believe then sure.
@@Demobot1 Which part? The chargers or dragging their heels?
@@infiction7651 All of it. VW doesn't even build their own chargers. Other legacy automakers don't build their own chargers but buy into Electrify America/Canada and Ionity adding to the coffers to build out more chargers faster. And if VW only put money into Electrify America/Canada and Ionity as a punishment then why did they just pledge billions more long after they paid their punishment? Could it be because they are all in??? No no that can't be it.
@@Demobot1 from Wikipedia: It is a subsidiary of Volkswagen Group of America, established in late 2016 by the automaker as part of its efforts to offset emissions in the wake of the Volkswagen emissions scandal.[2][3][4]
@@infiction7651 What's your point. EA, CA and Ionity don't build the chargers. They buy them from another manufacturer and stick their logo on them. Companies like ABB and Delta and others actually build the DC fast chargers and sells them. EA doesn't build chargers.
Nice! The Porsche driver was understandably having way too much fun and missed the waypoint!
15:52 sooo electric cars have the same problem some video games have? "just get it out the door, we'll patch it later"
To some degree yes. Which, just like with video games, would be kind-of-okay if they released a fully functioning product with only few (in cars, software-)features missing. But just like with video games, there's been vehicles being released which had critical bugs in the software. Which is very unacceptable.
The only kind of "We'll patch it later" that should be acceptable would be "you'll have traditional radio now, but we'll patch in support for Spotify, Apple Music, etc. later". Things to that effect, things that aren't critical right now, but can be added later with OTA.
Please, no more dealership visits to have your car software updated... This isn't the 2010's anymore.
Software development priblem
A common software development shortcoming. Don’t have to get it right, just get it out.
Not even shocked
@@ekrajb123 it's sometimes hard to recreate every scenario a car A.I. will experience on public raods; you only have so many engineers. I'm assuming you're referring to an autopilot issue in an EV?
i’m not buying any car whose manufacturer won’t sell me the parts to do my own repairs. i admire tesla’s bulletproof powertrain and software but their service situation is lacking and i’m not ready to deal with that. atm the mach e and vw i.d 4 look the best to me, and the nissan leaf is great for a daily commuter car. i’m also very excited for the ford f-150 lightning.
Tesla WILL sell you almost any part as long as it’s not part of the drivetrain/high voltage system. I’ve bought parts from them and I know others who have too.
Yeah I feel that... I requested a bumper from them and I have removed the bumper already to put color changing LEDs into my DRLs... They said no take it to a service center... Like its so easy to diy just let me buy the parts!
@@keco185 After a month wait lol No thanks.
@@keco185 how long did it take ?
@@spoortifyy for me, the service center near me had it in stock. I do know some parts you need to wait a couple weeks for though.
*COUGH* Cross Traffic Monitoring. *COUGH*
I wanna see a comparison about every day driving. Everything seems to only compare long road trips. If one or two road trips a year is standing in your way of buying an EV, just buy one and rent a car when you take a road trip. It's an added expense but I'd guess you won't mind waiting a bit to charge once you have the EV.
Loved the bar charts. It helps seeing the differences. there's still a cavern of space between best and second best. For now anyway. Thanks.
Absolutely agree! Owner of 2016 Model S 75, 2021 Model Y LR (previous 2015 BMW i3 and 2017 Chevy Bolt). Tesla is the best for road trips!
What u dislike about the car? Or wish Tesla improved?
I don't care about the fancy technology in an electric car, I just want it to work. Give me a boring electric car with analog gauges, and I'll be happy.
Exactly this. I'm waiting for a barebones EV without all the unnecessary tech, but unfortunately I don't think that's what the average consumer wants so it'll probably never happen. Guess I just gotta stick with my Miata for now!
@@sinister_lefty EV options are only going to expand, I'm sure they'll have someone like that eventually. Although built in navigation that can route you to chargers seems pretty critical.
Putting in all of those gages, their wiring, and the hardware to control them is probably more complicated and expensive than a consistent software controlled interface. Over time, most things at scale will move towards software.
In which case, you don't want the laggy one at the low end that actually hampers utility
Sounds awesome but i think you'd have to build one yourself.
Get a Tesla- no instrument panel at all :)
Would definitely disagree with the 30 minutes over 1000 miles addition. Driven NYC-Chicago (820 miles) twice going to Chi and once coming back and tracked every trip. Total stops in a gasoline car were 1:27, 1:33 and 1:47. Two meal stops + two toilet stops each trip (4 stops total). Gas was either at a meal or toilet break. In this entirely realistic scenario, any Tesla would do about the same time which is simply amazing. No other EV would. Not today at least.
What the best electric...at long road trips. Let's put in a bar chart the relative percentage of long road trips people make vs small commuting trips. It is not fair to compare Tesla S to Nissan Leaf in these charts, is like comparing apples to oranges. Seem clear they were build with different purposes.
Otherwise...like a lot your clips, thanks for sharing 😊
Like the Mach E but would still by a model y if I was going to by an EV right now
buy*
Mach E has been coming up with too many issues, the reliability of it is yet to be proven. I definitely would do a model Y currently. The mach E is a good step by Ford. I don't think it'll save ford, but they are trying, kinda.
This is exaxtly my thought as well
@@jf8138 save from what? F150 and Broncos all over the place
@Aryan A by few you mean at least 12. ICE work trucks aren't going anywhere for a while
Loved your video, your analyses are among the best online. And I also loved the "relax and enjoy, both ev's and ice's, it's not a battle" message. In such a polarized world having someone make this type of statementes is refreshing.
What you fail to explain , is Tesla’s quality control problems. There is not one review when some one pics up their Tesla and doesn’t have multiple things wrong with , panel gaps , paint , and loose parts , doors not shutting and the hatch not opening . The Ford Mach E . I have yet to see one with the quality issues that Tesla has for the amount they want for the cars . Ford does need to improve on charging quicker . The Mach E is a pretty competitive one the first release . It will only improve . We have yet to see that with Tesla on the build quality .
The Mach-E hasn't even been "tested" long-term, I'm sure there's quite a few fires and recalls to come. For the Mach-E to be EV of the year makes me think that Ford throw some money at Car & Driver, we'll see
I doubt it. CD were pretty clear why they chose the Ford in their article. One of the Teslas had a complete break down during the test. And Tesla does not have dealers, so getting your car repaired is not as convenient as with the other makes etc.
Gosh, a Mach-E fire would suck for them. If there's one thing Sandy showed us, it's that Ford didn't save any money on their cooling system, so I hope it works!
@geomotel. You sure. Cause I believe Tesla comes to your doorstep for many of the repairs
@@geomtol Go watch EV & Chill, to see how good the Ford dealership repair/firmware update experience is...
How about 5 Mach e bricking themselves for thermal reasons after decending mountain passes in Norway.
Oof... well good thing I've never had to "fast"-charge my leaf.... But i did sort of know that when I bought it, that fast-charging would be a pain, and I would pretty much never have to use it unless I wanted to for some crazy reason.
Same here, my Leaf fits my use case of daily commute and charge overnight. I just recently installed a 240volt outlet to charge it and am amazed at how fast it charges on that compared to a standard wall outlet that I have been using for the last 4 years. That being said, Nissan really does need to water cool their batteries.
I feel like the fact that you never even had that come up speaks volumes about the difference in perspectives between reviewers and consumers. On the one hand you have this synthetic 1000-mile road trip that is fun for a magazine (and people like Jason) to test, and on the other hand you have the boring, but in my opinion much more important, reality of just using your car for your daily commute. Looking at road trips, the engineering decision of not watercooling the Leaf's battery seems insane, but then there are people like you who don't _actually_ need more than one fast-charge in a day - and I think you're in the majority on this.
Of course there are other considerations, like needing to have an easily accessible charger at home or at work, but I think that goes for all EVs with the current state of the infrastructure (where you don't just have chargers at every parking lot as a matter of course)
@@screwaccountnames like Jason said, buy the one that fits you. He also mentioned it depends on if its your only vehicle vs 1 of several that makes a big difference. I have multiple, and none are electric nor will they be for the foreseeable future. If a good electric minivan came out it would be a serious contender for my wife's vehicle, but she really likes her oddessey so it better be really joke to convince her
I was thinking that, smart leaf owners bye one to commute, and either have a second IC car for road trips, or they rent.
@@pdavis2207 But would you be willing to pay the extra money that it would cost to have water cooled batteries? The leaf is just fine as a short commuter vehicle as long as the users understand that.
I like gasoline powered vehicles more but I'm not opposed to owning an electric vehicle in the near future once more of the growing pains are soothed.
@Sam gasoline car doesn't have to stop for long at all. Rotate between me and my wife for long road trips. 5 minute gas station.
Man, as someone in the EV industry I have a lot of thoughts. Wish I could discuss with you in person!
But yeah, totally agree. I don't have an EV car, but I rented a Chevy Bolt for a road trip a couple months ago to try the experience out. It was... alright, but certainly left a lot to be desired. The most upsetting thing was the lack of consistency between charging stations. In a gas car, you know you're getting almost the same exact experience be it Shell, 76, Chevron, etc. On my trip, every charger had a different app, different set of instructions, and different rates of success, and it was frustrating. Gas stations gave us a nearly ideal blueprint to follow for charging stations, and everybody except Tesla is blowing it.
The last thing I'll say is Tesla is a software company making cars (great UX/UI, meh build quality), and everyone else is an auto company trying to make software.
Best advice for multi-car families: buy a highly depreciated Volt, Bolt, or Leaf, etc. for around town/commuting and leave the ICE for road trips.
That was a great video, Jason! I hope everyone appreciates how much time you spend researching and making these awesome videos. Stay safe!
That road is so beautiful. With a Caterham Super seven it would be amazing...
ANY road with a Caterham Super 7 is amazing
@@nicofonce in particularly on a cold rainy winter day ;-)
I just completed a nearly 3600 mile road trip to Yellowstone National Park in my Model Y Performance, and had zero issues with range anxiety thanks to the Supercharger network. The only minor gripe I had was that they didn't have any superchargers on the eastern side of the park, so I had to go around it from the north side from Billings, MT, to Bozeman, MT, to finally reach West Yellowstone, MT, which does have a Supercharger there.
There are L2 chargers scattered on the eastern side here and there, but I didn't want to rely on them, getting there and finding out they're broken, and now I'd be stuck.
But as I saw the gorgeous mountains, rivers, and other scenery via this route, I completely forgot about the inconvenience of it, and was glad I took this route, as I would've otherwise missed a lot of the cool stuff I saw along the way.
The truth is EVs have a LONG way to go to be more convenient than a gas car. I drove 920 miles last Friday and only spent 20 minutes off the highway because A) I could pick any gas station that was right off the highway and B) It took maybe 5 minutes to fill my tank and drain my bladder.
It strikes me that many articles praise the cars while about as many condemn them. Some state that the maintenance costs are virtually nothing while others say that the car basically fell apart after 10000km with monstrous repair costs.
Both are wrong and correct.
Anecdotes are just that: you can find any number of owners of that say "I haven't had a single problem!" and ones that say "This is the worst car I've ever owned and a total piece of junk!". Individual stories mean nothing, only statistical data is valid for drawing conclusions. And even then, it's just statistical: you can buy the most reliable car but be one of the unlucky ones, and vice versa.
The C/D road test didn't really tell us anything about the cars. It told us about the charging infrastructure. Electrify America has a well earned reputation for inconsistent performance of their chargers. EVGo chargers are mostly under 100kW because they are older. Tesla has the infrastructure which is probably a bigger selling point than the quality of their vehicle build.
To be fair - the EVgo and EA applications in Ohio are rather dated.
Tesla might really nail it if they release the promised Tesla model 2 (a smaller model 3) for the European market.
Do a model 2 with the model 3 performance motors and battery. Something for the hot hatch drivers.
Just another point of view - range and charging speed aren't always an important thing in an electric car. Our main cars are a gen 1 leaf and a (2020) mg zs ev (cheapest ev in Australia). Have never used a rapid charger on the leaf and only charge at home using solar power. It's range is only about 55 miles! which is actually plenty for around town. The MG has a (acurate) range of 160miles and can charge at up to 80kw. We purchasee it because my partner got a job 140miles away. Recently did a road trip to middle of nowhere South Australia (650miles) and even with the pathetic amount of fast chargers here in Australia it was a totally fun enjoyable trip - the car was always charged enough at each stop before we were ready to leave.
It’s all coming. Be patient and grateful. Good review.
This is an excellent overview. I appreciate all the statistics, bar charts, and covering the UX!
What’s with the dislikes here? I thought this was a really well-thought-out, factual breakdown. I’m surprised to see this many dislikes when all he did was break down C&D’s report and explain who stood out and why each car performed the way they did. Didn’t really see anything here that constituted dislike spamming.
The crazy thing is, some months ago there was a bug in the German Tesla charging stations, so EVERY brand was able to charge there for 1-2 days. And it worked perfectly fine for everybody. This shows that communication between any charger and car brand actually should not really be a problem anymore.
In fairness the Taycan would win in handling..... aaaaaand also emptying your bank account
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A valid argument
The model s plaid hasn't had enough user tests, but i really hope they didn't cheap out on this, otherwise what was the point of making it cost the same? People will take handling over 0.3 seconds faster any day, because it's something you can constantly perceive.
nice assumption you're pushing jerry
skidpad? slalom? or are you guessing
@@gormauslander 0.9 seconds quicker but yes I get your point. (Edit: 1/4 mile time that is)
I’d be curious how a gas vehicle would have faired as sort of a control for “normal” road trip experience. Actually maybe an average gas vehicle as well as a hybrid.
gas cars practically wouldn't have any downtime except the humane fatigues of the driver so needing rest and sleep.
You drive, refill, rest, drive and go on.
Elon did a quite good comparing how Lithium ions arrange themselves while charging and a parking lot. The fuller a parking lot gets the longer will it take you to find a parking place. The same goes for batteries...
And about the range, Tesla had it's GPS system where they can calculate how long you need to charge, which is really amazing. The you have A Better Routeplanner, which can help with other charging points too...
I'm hoping in 5 or so years they do automatic charging and the car moves itself for other vehicles. Feel free to sit down and eat with the family and get the charge to 80% as well. With the coming increase in charging, some stops will actually be too fast if you wanted to eat.
@@whattheschmidt I am expecting something like this too in the near future at superchargers. New driver pulls up and the car says which stall to use and the car in that stall unlocks its charging cable so the driver can walk over and unplug the prior car that will drive off into a nearby parking spot, and their car pulls in and they plug it in. They could even allow non-fsd cars this feature so that everyone's charging experience just gets better and idling fees go away for good.
meanwhile other cars have android auto with the ABRP app. Problem solved. Also Tesla has confirmed that they are opening the SC network to other brands. That is 1 major convenience advantage gone.
Best electric car = is affordable (under $50,000), has a speedometer readable directly in front of the driver's face, and has a minimum 200-mile range on a full charge.
I had a dream last night I somehow ended up in a model X. Maybe it's the fact I'm consistently out of gas in my 30 year old beat up truck that only gets 10mpg. I work as a mobile mechanic and a EV would be an absolute game changer. Man, waking up sucked.
just hope you don't run out of juice 😂 Sounds like a 25-30mpg car that can go nearly 500 miles on a tank would accomplish the same thing, with little refueling time
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I dont travel more than 150 miles in a day total for work, usually it's half that. I cant charge a ICE car with solar. I can get in an EV and cool down or warm up without starting the engine. A match can do the same thing as a lighter, but in most day to day cases a lighter is better. For me, in every aspect, an EV is better.
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Run out of gas and have no money, you're screwed. Have an EV and run out and have solar panels, at least you can wait a few days and eventually be able to move again
If a mobile mechanic pulls up in an EV, I'm calling someone else lol
@@Sheridantank sounds like a budgeting course would help more than anything if you’re dealing with no gas and no money and your solution is an EV
great video, thank you. I would like to point out that the Leaf is not air cooled. The 2002 RAV 4 I owned was air cooled, two powerful fans forcing air through the pack. Leaf batteries are sealed and only cooled by passive heat removal by air passing over the bottom of the pack.
Both are air cooled - one has active air cooling another has passive air cooling.
@@DanilErofeev in the same sense that my cell phone in my pocket is air cooled.
Having a nipple on the battery pack break and having the only service center in the state tell you you need to replace the battery for $16k is why Tesla is not as good as it should be.
Agreed! And issue was fixed with $5 of hardware store bits.
June 2020 Tesla S LR+ owner here. Awesome experience road tripping and even in AZ and UT back country. This is an awesome vehicle for mountain driving. Set the speed limit +5 and it slows automatically for tough hairpins. LOVE IT!
The Volvo and Polestar 2 fared poorly in charging because of software issues which Car & Driver did in fact mention. It would be interesting to see how much better or worse they do now that the software update has happened.
Guess we'll find out next year!
you say "did in fact mention" as if this video did not mention it but as you can see at 15:20 he does.
Looking forward to the upcoming Hyundai/KIA Ioniq 5 and EV6/GT
Just thought I'd point out that Cybertruck is not past it's deadline. Great vid!
I don’t fully understand how the Tesla is able to travel 1000 miles quicker than a gas car.
Tesla took 1.6 hours of charging stops, but was only 20 minutes slower than a gas car with 30 minutes stops, which would mean for 1000 miles the Tesla does it .7 hours or 42 minutes quicker.
This means there is some issue with that comparison and realistically the difference between the two should at best only be charging time, but in actuality it would be more due to required route changes to go to the chargers.
Recalculating, the actual difference should be closer to Tesla take 1 - 2 hours longer, depending on the trip.
C&D should have used the Tesla Model Y non-performance, being as its a CUV if they are also testing cars like Leaf etc. Non performance Y rated for 23 more miles than performance.
They should but had to source their own cars because tesla dont do press cars..
@@Zarphag They could have asked Sandy Munro.
Car and Driver rented the Model 3 and model Y the fact that they didn't explain why is very fishy. C D wanted to really makes the Mach E the winners but failed miserably 🙈.
It’s almost like they’re doing these things on purpose 🧐
@@rj8u 👍👍👍
Sandy showed number of coolant hoses - ford 35 - tesla 10
More cooling is better?
@@giovannifoulmouth7205 2 points of failure on every hose.
@@giovannifoulmouth7205 more hoses doesn't mean more cooling.
Meaning the Ford is more serviceable, whereas if the Tesla breaks a nipple, it requires a new battery pack.
@@lifeinhd4053 No, it does not NEED a new battery pack. Tesla just wants you to replace the whole thing to make more $$$$. Realistically you can fix it yourself for a few hundred bux.
I just got my MY a few weeks ago. To get it I had to drive ~350 miles to the Tesla center and then the same ~350 miles back home. I drove there in a Chevy Bolt and back obviously in the Y. The drive there took 3hrs longer than GMap est and I had to use 3 different apps on my phone. The drive back took 35min longer than GMap est and I used 0 apps on my phone. The experience was night and day.
I also just got back from a ~3k mile round trip road trip in the Y. It couldn't have been easier. Autopilot made the freeways a breeze. Nav and charging worked flawlessly. And the whole trip only cost about $100 in charging (partly because of 700 free supercharging miles I had, but mostly because of free charging at hotels and parking garages. And because even supercharging is much cheaper than gas).
Anyway, guess my point is: if it's just an around town commuter you'll charge at home, any EV is a great option. But if you have road trip plans (even short ones), Tesla is a fantastic choice.
Tesla has confirmed that they are opening the SC network to other brands. That is 1 major convenience advantage gone.
Dude sorry to hear you had to drive a bolt and glad you got your TESLA. Other cars will soon be allowed on the TESLA network giving them another revenue stream but unclear the markup (+25% etc.) they will be charged.
Would be helpful if you can possibly apply a ~120hz high-pass filter to the audio when driving
I can already see the price of ✨air-cooled✨ Nissan Leafs going up in a couple decades (if anything's left of these cars then, anyway)
This is a joke right? A Porsche reference? Haha
I am actually pretty excited to see how the EV6, and Ioniq 5 will do; especially since Rimac helped (a safe assumption since the Koreans own part of Rimac) with the powertrain.
Yeah, I'm really liking the Ioniq 5 over anything on the horizon right now.
100% agree and can’t decide which I like more, but both seem way ahead of their (traditional automaker) competition in design and function. Ioniq 5 and EV6 will siphon off some Tesla sales, no doubt!
Yep, I think the EV6 will be the one for my wife and I.
Hyundai Ionic 6 anyone?
Skoda Enyaq?
@@davidmccarthy6061 ikr? It's unnecessarily beautiful.
18 minutes off the dome! This guy really knows his stuff. Was feeling tempted by the Polestar 2 and Mach E but am leaning back towards Tesla after this thanks!
Check out Sandy Munro’s tear downs of some of the popular EV offerings. He is a really knowledgeable automotive engineer and will make you much more confident choosing TESLA.
What road are you driving on? It looks beautiful
My absolute favourite UA-cam channel! High intelligence, zero BS.
glad Teslas in europe have same charging CCS&type2 port as any other EV car and it can be charged almost anywhere
Yeah and Tesla confirmed that they are opening the SC network to other brands soon. Win-WIn
No Chevy Volt?
I guess no one at Car and Driver wanted to risk charging one in their driveway. 🔥🔥🔥
I do not normally do road trips.
I recently did a road trip from NYC to Harrisburg, PA and drove a total of 220 miles. I filled up on Premium 93 for $3.17 a gallon and used roughly half my tank while getting just 14 mpg in my JEEP SRT 6.4-Liter. I stopped once at a rest stop that actually had a TESLA supercharger with 10 stalls. NO ONE WAS THERE. I had Roy Rogers for lunch and sat for about an hour - then I got back on the road.
I personally think that driving 200 miles at a time, stopping for an hour or so to rest, eat and relax is a great way to eliminate fatigue. Some drivers exceed 500 miles between rests, but they tend to stop at least once for gas since most gas cars have a range of bout 300 miles. Aside from the AC, there isn't much else using power to decrease your EV's range significantly.
As this video mentions: HIGHWAY RANGE vastly differs from CITY RANGE due to less slow down nd chance to recharge the battery with regenerative braking.
I said this in other places but my wife's bladder range is about 140 miles at best so I will be stopping long before I need a recharge (or need to fill up the tank). But the EV market is too new for my taste. Maybe 5 years from now it will be mature enough for me to jump in. And by then, the availability charging stations, including in some of the more remote areas, will make it more like the current fueling infrastructure.
The power company providing the electrical services to those areas needing charging stations, Should be the ones building the charging stations. The Gas companies built the gas stations in those developing days of the ICE vehicles.
It is sad to see all the engineering and development of gas engines, being toss to the land field. Sad and a waste of money. We all going to need a gas vehicle as a backup for an EV.
@@bwest-yq3uc Exactly. Make mine the Ford F-150 hybrid with the 7.2 kw generator so I can charge my EV if the grid is down
That's the AGILE/software development approach to things... the emphasis is on the cadence, rather than on the quality of the release; because the next version is already in the pipeline, and is but one interval away. See also: updates for your PC.
Shorter road trips and no range anxiety. More reasons why the hybrid is still the most sensible buying decision in 2021. That and the price.
Lol no
Ugh, just read the issue yesterday and it brought back my PTSD from a recent 1600 mile road trip in our e-tron. Like C/D, we too had issues with the ElectrifyAmerica charging network. Even ran into one of their techs, he called the network garbage, not encouraging. Didn't help that we were traveling home during the heat dome, and 108F temps were not conducive to rapid charging. I don't think we ever got beyond 170 miles of range, even fully charged. Prior to the road trip, I was ready to plunk down for an RS E-Tron GT. Not a chance now, not until they double the range.
I seriously wanna drive this road! Where were you driving the first 10 Mins?
Keep in mind that this big push for certain vehicles is all apart of the “you will own nothing and be happy” plan
Sounds like the idea of communism
This is one of the reasons I bring up when I say electric vehicles are overhyped.
To expand on your point, in Italy there is a Chinese brand called Lynk & Co. which is planning to lease a car very similar to the Volvo XC40 (they're both brands owned by Geely) and you only pay a monthly fee of about 350 to 500 euros. The car is immediately available and you don't have to pay anything else. In the future they say you could even let the car be driven by other people while you're not using it and they'd pay you, the original leaser. They're about to change the way a car is perceived and how it will be used.
Closing statements were spot on😂
8:15 I think you're perpetuating a misconception here. Nothing ever goes perfectly on any trip, regardless of car (gas or EV), and often, things won't go perfectly charging on a Tesla road trip (which is what you're implying here). Is the Tesla charging experience more consistent and reliable? At this point, yes. Are the Porsche Taycan and Ford Mach-E's experiences typical of the public charging experience? Not at all.
Imo, the biggest EV problem today, is chargestations needs the same plug, and everyone shoud be able to use them no matter what car you have, i know this will soon be pushed in the EU for phones/ev ect ect have to be sold with the same plug.
Imagine Shell not wanting you to fill up your car, because you drive a Toyota ?
Allso in the EV of the year, build quality allso have to taking into account, not just battery and charge speeds :)
Excellent points
Having standardized plugs would be great. Even with adapters, sure it's a minor inconvenience. But the analogy of Shell and Toyota is a bit off because you don't have Toyota also setting up gas stations.
@@rpfour4 In the EU we do have factories setting up fuelling stations (electric).Example: ionity chargers . A conglomarate of German car builders , also Kia and Hyundai are in this projectfor making an charging network. Shell on the other hand is building their own shell recharge but also bought Fastnet.
Most used plug: CCS.
But ionity does NOT exclude Tesla cars ....even knowing Tesla is a competitor on the car market to their owners.
As a Tesla driver, it annoys me that a CCS adapter still isn't available for me, and if/when it is, it'll be $500 or more. I wish there was more standardization, IDK what that standard is (even though the Tesla charging experience is about as painless as it gets - way nicer than gasoline, imo)
We already have standardized female plugs for L2 charging in the US. The 240V plug. Bring your own charging cable and suddenly L2 chargers are a ton cheaper, a ton less intrusive, and more of them can be installed than if you just install L2 chargers
I have recently started to watch Sandy Munro’s tear down videos, and it seems Tesla’s vehicles are very well engineered - the bits that you can’t see. However, the bits that you can see and touch, are still a bit sketchy.
It is still early days, I will wait for the EV market to mature a bit more before getting one.
So complete opposite to BMW and Audi? . It's the go bits that are costliest to replace when they go south in those badly thought out ( from maintenance and reliability standpoints) in those highly and unfathomably overrated German things
The Mach E under-the-frunk tear down on Munro Live is really telling.
Which is weird bc the same geniuses who are responsible for the well engineered bits that you can't see are also in charge of all the bits you can see. Something's fishy.
@@giovannifoulmouth7205 not necessarily. I doubt the engineers that made the drive motors also designed the exterior and interior. Maybe communicated with those engineers but not designed them
Tesla paid him to market their vehicles. Just like the EPA
Tesla must be out in front in constantly innovating and improving without being apologetic....
"We are inventing as fast as we can, making sure the cars are as awesome and as safe as we can make them !"
The one glitch with Tesla is it won’t reroute you if you are not going to make the next charger. While I had my bike on a tow hitch rack, I understandably lost range. The car didn’t reroute and I stupidly thought there were no other charging stations on my way. 2 hours no ac in 100 degree weather until I realized my mistake. Lesson learned. I probably could have restarted my route and had an easier time. In any case, road trips using those other chargers sounds like a nightmare.