USB 3.1 and TB4 protocols are different. TB requires higher compliance to their specification, so something like the USB cable could slow things down. TB and USB C cables look the same, but TB certified cords are more expensive. If swapping cables isn't an option, I would reco getting a TB4 tool-less enclosure and swap the NVME when needed. I have both USBC and TB3 enclosures for switching between my MAC and PC.
100% but also important that often TB4 can be USB-C 3.1 compatible (like most of the laptops), but for this motherboard it's TB4 only and NOT USB 3.1/3.2 compatible... :( So changing a cable didn't make a difference...
@@theTechNoticeHow does this ASUS motherboard compare to the Gigabyte Aero D Z690? I have been using it and the TB4 seems to work well with TB devices as well as USB 3.1. Would love your opinion.
@@theTechNotice It does though, You have 4 nvme ssd´s connected and now when you connected the usb card I think it's too much for the pcie controller too handle. The mainstream plattforms are not meant to be used this way due too the pcie lanes limit. I think you would be better off with an HEDT system. Love your videos and your content...
Tech Notice, I love the look of the Editor PC! But... This video should have been called.... "The Pro ART inconsistent performance and wonky USB editor review?" Intel's 13 Gen CPU's from what I heard do introduce sort some of a latency penalty. (Brian from Tech Yes alluded on) I'm thinking Meteor Lake this fall on Laptops or next year on Desktop might mitigate this issue? Hopefully you could do a second video to figure this out or a fix? I'm curious if it's between physical cable/device issue or some software/hardware compatibility situation? Thanks for the expertly published content.
Brian only discussed about this because he seems like the only chosen example who actually demanded the response of drag and dropping files when editing his videos. Maybe he's the 0.00001% of pc users
Thanks for addressing this issue!!!~ One would have to assume the every ASUS motherboard with Thunderbolt 4 will perform similarly poor. From the start of my endeavor to build an Audio production creator PC, the Pro Art was the board to go to. Simple in design and, in spite of the gen 4 only storage, a seemingly suitable audio production board. Hopefully ASUS will answer questions and offer some well deserved truths on the subject ,, soon. Not sure if any of the intel refresh mobos have fewer issue but it doesn't seem like ASUS or anyone else, has considered the long term consequences of providing false advertising to the public. Thanks again. Being honest in this environment( youtube) is a difficult and risky proposition!
I posted a long comment earlier but I am not seeing it show up in the comments. The TLDR of it all. Your Sonnet card is PCIe x4 *2.0* which translates to 16Gb/s even though the card supports a max throughput of 20Gb/s. 1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 device has a theoretical 10Gb/s. So even if you verify you only have one device plugged in to each dedicated controller, you still have some bottlenecking/multiplexing going on at the PCIe level. The motherboard Z790 chipset is also stretched thin with only 4 PCIe lanes dedicated to lan, wifi, and USB controllers which is why you are probably seeing issues with multiple highspeed USB devices on the mobo. Unfortunately ASUS does not provide a motherboard diagram to show which USB ports are connected to an onboard hub controller, etc.
.. I posted something similar. However, ASUS does a reasonable job, to a degree, of describing how bandwidth is divided up amongst PCIe slots, M.2, and the chipset plus CPU bandwidth sharing limitations. The problem is there is no conservation of bandwidth with PCIe 5.0 versus 4.0 etc. I know that the Z790 is extremely limited to its bandwidth and the most annoying feature is the top M.2 PCIe 5.0 immediately leaves only PCIe 5.0 x8 to the GPU and disables the secondary PCIe x16 slot. In that single regard, I actually prefer the Z690 platform.
yeh i cant even use mine, cause i have to put my gpu in the second pcie slot, because of ekwb active backplane. ROG MAXIMUS Z790 EXTREME is my board.@@DJaquithFL
I've got the solution for you TB4 issue, it's really simple - don't use the tb4 ports, use the USB A ports on the back, because they're all USB 3.2 gen 2 ports and will give you the same bandwidth as the front USB C. So you just need to get the right cables and it's all good. I've got a razer TB4 hub, and there's no difference using that, same issue. So save yourself the trouble and don't buy an expensive hub. The reason laptops have several protocols unbuilt in their TB ports, is because there's no space for a whole bunch of ports, but here there is, so they haven't bothered throwing in USB 3.2 gen 2 in those ports since there are another 6 ports with that protocol. The questionable decision though, is why they're all USB A and not a single USB C. Well, anyway, I hope this helps!
@@theTechNotice damn, that's weird ☹️. So you've got worse speed from the A ports than the C front port? And your A to C cable surely supports USB 3.2 gen 2? I just tried again with one of my blackmagic media ssd's, and I get 750-800 on both the front C and back A. TB gives me less than half. 🤔
Can you try switching the motherboard and report if you still experience the same problem, preferably a motherboard from a different vendor. I would also love to know wether it's a thunderbolt issue or an Asus motherboards issue.
Yeah he should try a BIOS update or check if there are any separate firmware updates related to USB ports - i had one besides BIOS for my Strix Z690-A but it was just USB-C power delivery related firmware update in my case. Also he can use a USB-A to USB-C 10Gbit cable because he has those ports there, he isn't limited to USB-C for 10Gbit
@@OneCosmic749 I have the same mobo. yes, I am not limited to those thunderbolt ports, I would like to use them as I am using all other ports for necessary things. The ports working this way is unacceptable in 2023. Back compat is a thing for a reason.
Drop the 420 and use a 280 if you're not going to utilize the cooling power of the 420. You don't need 30mm thick fans and if the case won't allow them use the standard 140mm Be quiet lightwings, the 9 blade not the 7 blade (Yes it makes a difference). Or Put that 420 rad on the top which will be less stressful on it's pump anyway. Front mount Tubes down is best but not always an option on larger cases, tubes at top on a front mount rad can cause pump issues later as it's more of a stressful flow. Nice build all in all, Antec has really made a great jump into modern cases, and it's about time!
I went a step more, two 200mm front case , CPU AIO 360rad, 120 front and rear , and still have room for the 4090 zotac amp extreme airo , plus two 140 fans back case as well , one 140 fan on case floor , and with only one 140 fan exhaust .
I’m Planning on building a pc based on your $3,000 pc configuration. So thankful for all the tech advice videos. I may have missed this video, but when I looked up UA-cam for installing arctic freezer ii, most recommended having the tubes at the bottom when installing front facing, for less noise. I see in this video the tubes are at the top. Wondering re your thinking for this
From my own test (work rig) I found that doing a bottom to top airflow is pretty optimal - then you’re not going against your GPU’s fan, assuming it’s air cooled. Something like a lian li Dynamic o11 is great and you can put Phanteks T30’s pretty much everywhere top & bottom (they make a HUGE) difference. I have the mini mesh version and even with a 4090 / 7950x, everything runs cool as a cucumber.
Transfer speeds have been an issue for so long, I genuinely think it's a Windows problem because explorer is always freezing and crashing etc. I often transfer files from my PC to my S8 Tablet via USB3, if I try transfer a folder with lots of files it takes forever and often crashes everything. But if I zip the folder and then transfer as a single file, it's much quicker and no issues. Transfer speeds still feel slow for today's hardware. It's often faster for me to upload to Google Drive and then Download the file as I have a full fibre symmetric Gigabit internet connection.
I think this is probably an issue with your tablet, have you checked what protocol does your tablet use? Most android devices use MTP protocol which is shitty as hell. Some android devices use mass storage protocol which is much less problematic(like USB drives and external HDDs use) and some android devices has a setting to choose the protocol or sometimes there exists a mod for it.
My guy, build yourself a NAS, and look into using rsync to directly ingest new footage onto the NAS. You can automate these processes and spend less time messing with hubs and transferring footage.
Hi! Video editor here. I was going for this mobo + 13900K, BUT now I've seen your issues with the TB4 ports... SO SAD, i was going for them exactly + 10GBe. I'm constantly using external SSDs, transferring data every day, so this "advertised feature" will be a huge bottleneck for the speeds... If you find a solution, please, share it with us. Thank you!
At about minute 6 or so, the aio is installed with the tubes at the top, that's going to create air pockets near the opening of the tubes. Will also possibly create a gurgling noise.
I want to move mine from a 5000X case into a 7000D case, but yeah, not goign to go through all that tearing and pulling thing out part. It took quite a lot of labor to get it all in there just right. And it works. SO it's staying put.
I was debating to go with Corsair case or Antec F1, I went with Antec, moving from one case to another is easy and enjoyable if nice case, but when you have hard tubing and not flex tubing water cooling system, then it makes you re think 100 times if you wanna do it, hard tubing is not easy but beautiful way better then AIO cooling
I am using the Antec Performance One FT case and seeking to upgrade my Noctua air cooler to an AIO cooler for my 7950X setup. Can you suggest any 420mm AIO cooler with a slim radiator that can be mounted in a pull/push setup without removing the bottom fan? What is your experience with dust collection in a front-mounted pull/push setup?
Thanks for making this video, its nice to see other creators having the same issue. I have been struggling with this for the last few years.. about to switch back to apple products. If you find any solutions about the transfer speeds please let me know.
The problem with the IO is that Alder And Rapture Lake CPUs have the Io controller on the motherboard and not on the chip like the previous generations did. All IO is laggy with these CPUs. I notice it just normal use on my 13900k computer.
Hello, I posted this in your last video "MAXXED OUT Video Editing PC 3 Months Later - WAS IT WORTH IT?" My Thunderbolt 4 is working with USB-C Based my new build on your recommendations and I'm really happy with the performance in Premiere! I bought the Asus ProArt (same MB as yours), 13900k, RTX 4080 and 64 gigs of ram. You stated that your Thunderbolt 4 does not read your USB-C devises but mine does. I have my Corsair monitor (Corsair XENEON 32QHD240 32" WQHD) connected to one TB4 and a SanDisk 1TB Extreme Portable External SSD, 550MB/s read/write to the other. I ran a Blackmagic speed test on the ScanDisk and I got about 520 read/write. When I built my system I downloaded the latest BIOS and installed Intel's TB4 drivers. Works perfectly for me! I really enjoy your UA-cam channel and keep up the great work!
@@theTechNotice Its connected to the back of the motherboard, directly to the TB4 connector. I just ran another test a few minutes ago, I copied a ProResHQ, 95 gig video file from the Scandisk (Connected to the back TB4) to my desktop. It took approximately under 4 minutes to copy over.
This is the driver I have installed below in my "Intel Driver & Support Assistant" Thunderbolt Controller 1 Driver Details: Version1.41.1340.0 Device Details Thunderbolt™ GenerationThunderbolt 4 (1137) Number Of Ports2 Security LevelKernel DMA Protection NVM Firmware Version38:0 Pcie TunnelingTrue
I looked manual of motherboard and it doesn't show USB ports that uses motherboard's chipset or CPU ones. Even thought they didn't mention but if there is something like that like every motherboard. Front panel's USB hub works well so you need to connect same USB hub. Page 66 as pdf page 2-27 in manual in ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI User’s Manual ( English Edition ) USB Hubs are seperated by 7, 9 and 4 (includes 4 USBs). Try those 3 shown seperated USB hubs or if you want you can check every single one of them. By trying you can connect to same USB hub that uses front panel's USB hub which works stable. Usually front panel's USBs share USB hub.
yeh i see similar problems, i have the $400 sonnettech card. i have the ROG MAXIMUS Z790 EXTREME and every way possible to bring in stuff. i have all the right cables and thunderbolt external drives. optical thunderbolt cables and so on. optical 10gbps usb c cables, and docks.
I can't remember the last time I saw someone use or talk about Antec products. It has to have been at least ten years. They used to be a popular brand, then just fell away.
I would LOVE if this channel went into in depth with intels Quicksync crushing Davinci Resolve all the time when rendering. Has been an issue for over 2 years... while in theory the Intel IGPU is an absolute blessing, it makes complex Renders (Wedding Films in my case) very unstable. It crashes Davinci Resolve randomly when using h265 10bit 422 Footage and sadly even 4090 cant decode this so its either CPU bruteforce or iGPU, but IGPU causes crashes A LOT... any thoughts on this?
And if this video is made, please consider testing Premiere's Mogrts with Quicksync. I've heard that it is night and day for those whose workflow depends on mogrts, but can't find any reliable source that would justify switching to Intel at the end of the LGA1700 lifecycle.
Interesting. I thought those guys encoders would make the editing process easier. I didn't k ow it was a problem. When rendering. I guess that means that the beefier high core count chips are a good investment.
Can you explain how you’re running 128Gb of DDR5 memory in this build? I have contacted many people about a build I’m planning and every response I get is that using all 4 dims will cause massive issues with my ram
First time hearing of such a thing. Normally, using all four dims only has issues when using very high speed ram. If you are using regular DDR5 ram, it shouldn't matter how many gigabytes of ram you are using (As long as it does not exceed the maximum capacity your motherboard supports, which is detailed in your motherboard owner's manual).
He likely got lucky with very well binned ram and motherboard combinations, Silicon lottery. It's very rare but feels super nice not having to compromise.
I have the ProArt Z790 and am running two 64GB CMT64GX5M4B5600C36 kits of Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB for 128GB at 4800MHz . Working well. If I use the AI OC I bump the voltage to 1.35V.
Do you have to attach the front fans directly to the AIO grill? Couldn't you attach the fans to the case, and then attach the grill to the case behind them separately? Thx
I have this case, with an Asus Pro Art Z790 and I will be putting in the i9-14900. Only question is if 2x 6400 Corsair Vengeance DDR5 Ram CL32 will be enough for my photo and video editing. I also plan on using 2x 2Tb Samsung 990 Pro SSD initially.
which gpu are you using ? im about to build a pc for content creation.. using the proart 760 d4 mb will have 32 gigs of ram and the i5 13600k because i have one lying around
I think you might be having a cable issue. I plug in a bunch of USB-C peripherals on my Z690 pro art thunderbolt connection in the back and I don't have speed issues
I thought USB 3.... something (I gave up after they shifted all the 3 naming) was baked into the TB4 spec? Is it a cable compliance issue maybe? Get the "full speed" with a proper TB4 cable?
Nice video. Interesting seeing your problems reading multiple memory cards in a work flow like scenario where you constantly plugging/unplugging cards. Wonder if any of your issues is unique to the hardware you are using (e.g., 3 ft thunderbolt 4 cables, card readers, that PCIe thunderbolt PCIe adapter card --- two controller chips and 4 lanes of PCIe4 should be enough, shouldn't it?) might be part of the problem. Have you tried this with a TB4 equipped laptop? I also own a ProArt Z790 motherboard that I regret buying. All of those lanes dedicated to two thunderbolt 4 ports in the back of a case that I have on the floor --- really long distance for TB4 to cover to get to peripherals on my desk. Lose a lot for those TB4 ports: only four PCIe4 m.2 slots. i A Gen 2.1 2x2 header; but, I don't have a case with USB-C port that can take advantage of its speed.
About your TB extension card issue, why didn't you get the ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 ? It's 100% compatible and set the transfer speed up to 40Gbps. Also, sorry to ask but as it's not visible on your video, did you connect the PCIe extension card on TB4 motherboard connectors with the cable (inside the case) ?
The IO on Creator motherboard is limited yet exceedingly stretched. I see this as a problem with the available PCIe lanes. Minimize the connected devices and you will see the difference
why would you not use the a-rgb fans from the acrtic 420mm you showed in the video ? the a-rgb fans are considerably better than the normal arctic fans that you had from the bequiet case.
I have a thought We can do video editing in cloud with a subscription plan. Doing that through cloud is feasible cost wise ? If possible how far we can go with it ? Please to comment on this .
I skipped around quite a bit with your video .. However, You have to look in the manual about how each USB and PCIe is divided up with the limited bandwidth of either the CPU and or the chipset i.e. 'shared.' not to mention once you connect a PCIe card, it may also share bandwidth with with your GPU PCIe x16 slot, and some bandwidth can be disabled once a different USB or PCIe slot is occupied. Yep, it's convoluted...
I can confirm that NvME 4.0 Lexar Aris drive in a 10Gbps case on my Editing PC (6000Mhz 2x32GB Corsair RAM + 13900k CPU + 3090 RTX GPU + Z790 ProArt Creator Motherboard + Windows 11 | >> Can sustain ~950 MB/s upload speed (copying files from the SSD to my PC) for over ~15 minutes (uploading ~1tb of .mp4 video files). The external NVME drive is plugged via USB-c to USB-c in the second (from the top) Thunderbolt port, on the back of the PC.
I was looking to buy that motherboard. Now you are making me terethink that plan. I will try to find something witha comparable MB I guess with a better onboard controller
It's so weird to me that people don't realize you can just stuff 2.5 sata ssds anywhere. They aren't mechanical, they don't need vibration reduction. You can use as many sata ssds as your motherboard supports regardless of case, unless you're doing something with an itx case that just doesn't have any extra room.
I purchased an expansion card PCIE to m.2(x4) and though it seems to work (haven't populated all slots) I suspect slower times than I expected. I never delved into it yet. It's purpose for me, this is more about having extra storage over speed.
@@theTechNotice when Optimum tech did it he had way more submissions than he could use. Maybe start getting the pics, sponsor this after every video and when you have enough drop it?
Any idea what the 'new' ASUS z790 Pro art motherboard improvements will be? I heard they are upgrading it for the intel refresh coming out soon. Will the extra power/cores/heat from the new i7-14700K require liquid cooling? I am interested in the MOBO and i7-14700k for Audio production only w/o a graphics Card. Thanks
In my world a creator PC should have slots for micro SD, SD and CFexpress with adequate speeds. I hate all this fumbling around with cables and external media boxes.
i wonder if crucial RAM and SSD are good for creative work like 3D and editing? and if you can make a video about build PC budget 4000$ to 4500$ using Crucial RAM i really appreciate
I have a 4TB Crucial SSD for the source files, I had a few speed issues before I saw that it requires a driver install. So be sure to install the driver, especially for the large drives. No issues in nearly a year of use, I edited 6TB of videos from it.
This is not a Full Tower I'm sorry to say, a full tower stands almost as tall as your desk when on the floor. So pretty much almost twice as tall. God knows I miss real full tower cases at decent prices. What a robbery these have become and not even with a power supply which also used to be part of the case from the factory. Blheh
I'm having kind of a similar problem. But i use my phone for recording and wanted to transfer from it via usb c (phone) to usb A 3.0 (Computer). So since i removed the Windows phone link (I didn't like all my phone messages appearing on my pc), i tried sharing a folder on my pc so i could access the folder on my phone and transfer the files through Wifi. I however couldn't get it to work. Do your camera's have Wifi? Maybe you can try transferring this way. (If you can get it working) No clue what i did wrong. If anyone got some advice pls feel free to educate me.
I have watched countless and numerous videos on UA-cam of people supposedly explaining how to install or assemble a computer, and they do it wrong by installing the radiator backwards. This should not be done; it is a bad practice as it causes air bubbles to accumulate in the pump, reducing the lifespan of your components.
Ah man, literally one day after I copied your rig and built my, and now you swap out the case 😂. I suddenly feel an urge to do the same for some strange reason, but naaah, I'm happy with the be quiet 802.
Too confusing, this is why companies that make custom workstations charge an arm and a leg. Seems the tech is not there yet (despite what benchmarks claim) and there is still a lot of room for improvement. I bet they will come up with an interface faster than TB4 in the near future.
had you tried to run the same test under a linux live distribution? there is a good chance all the problems you'll having are because poor drivers from microsoft.
Hi, I also have the z790 proart motherboard, and huge thunderbolt issues. However, I get decent speed with my two usb-c CFexpress card readers, they are “only” 5gbps but they performs at that sped when using the thunderbolt ports. However I have experienced some thunderbolt “crashes” and then the card reader speed drops down to usb 2 speeds. A also have a thunderbolt driver fail during windows boot and also WHEA logger errors on the PCI root port. (according to device manager the thunderbolt is connected to the pci rot port that produces the WHEA logger errors) Do you have any errors like that ? I also struggle with display over thunderbolt, etc. it kind of works but to unstable to be useful. I don’t get display signal until windows has booted halfway up. And sometimes windows just hang during boot. Etc. no display during post etc until I take a reboot. (I have a ASUS proart monitor with thunderbolt.) I have also done a complete fresh windows 10 installation on a separate m.2, and it’s the same. so I suspect it’s the motherboard. I have contacted ASUS customer service, but they have not been helpful yet. (But they are verry good to blame everybody else.)
@@theTechNotice I have an Asus PA34VC. I don’t notice any change in boot time if I use it on DisplayPort directly (thunderbolt disconnected) or through Thunderbolt.
I went with an Anker docking station for all of my externals and I am enjoying the speeds I get from that so far! Did about 21 gigs in under 3 min.
USB 3.1 and TB4 protocols are different. TB requires higher compliance to their specification, so something like the USB cable could slow things down. TB and USB C cables look the same, but TB certified cords are more expensive. If swapping cables isn't an option, I would reco getting a TB4 tool-less enclosure and swap the NVME when needed. I have both USBC and TB3 enclosures for switching between my MAC and PC.
100% but also important that often TB4 can be USB-C 3.1 compatible (like most of the laptops), but for this motherboard it's TB4 only and NOT USB 3.1/3.2 compatible... :(
So changing a cable didn't make a difference...
@@theTechNoticeHow does this ASUS motherboard compare to the Gigabyte Aero D Z690?
I have been using it and the TB4 seems to work well with TB devices as well as USB 3.1.
Would love your opinion.
This is what I was thinking could be the issue.
@@theTechNoticeis Windows PC better in editing compared to Apple iOS?!
@seekfactsnotfiction9056 iOS you talking about iPhone and iPad? of course is better 😂
depending on how many m.2 ssd's you're using it can affect your pcie lanes. might be worth looking at
Said in the video, doesn't affect that slot :)
@@theTechNotice It does though,
You have 4 nvme ssd´s connected and now when you connected the usb card I think it's too much for the pcie controller too handle.
The mainstream plattforms are not meant to be used this way due too the pcie lanes limit.
I think you would be better off with an HEDT system.
Love your videos and your content...
Tech Notice, I love the look of the Editor PC! But... This video should have been called.... "The Pro ART inconsistent performance and wonky USB editor review?" Intel's 13 Gen CPU's from what I heard do introduce sort some of a latency penalty. (Brian from Tech Yes alluded on) I'm thinking Meteor Lake this fall on Laptops or next year on Desktop might mitigate this issue? Hopefully you could do a second video to figure this out or a fix? I'm curious if it's between physical cable/device issue or some software/hardware compatibility situation? Thanks for the expertly published content.
Brian only discussed about this because he seems like the only chosen example who actually demanded the response of drag and dropping files when editing his videos. Maybe he's the 0.00001% of pc users
Thanks for addressing this issue!!!~ One would have to assume the every ASUS motherboard with Thunderbolt 4 will perform similarly poor. From the start of my endeavor to build an Audio production creator PC, the Pro Art was the board to go to. Simple in design and, in spite of the gen 4 only storage, a seemingly suitable audio production board. Hopefully ASUS will answer questions and offer some well deserved truths on the subject ,, soon. Not sure if any of the intel refresh mobos have fewer issue but it doesn't seem like ASUS or anyone else, has considered the long term consequences of providing false advertising to the public. Thanks again. Being honest in this environment( youtube) is a difficult and risky proposition!
I posted a long comment earlier but I am not seeing it show up in the comments. The TLDR of it all. Your Sonnet card is PCIe x4 *2.0* which translates to 16Gb/s even though the card supports a max throughput of 20Gb/s. 1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 device has a theoretical 10Gb/s. So even if you verify you only have one device plugged in to each dedicated controller, you still have some bottlenecking/multiplexing going on at the PCIe level. The motherboard Z790 chipset is also stretched thin with only 4 PCIe lanes dedicated to lan, wifi, and USB controllers which is why you are probably seeing issues with multiple highspeed USB devices on the mobo. Unfortunately ASUS does not provide a motherboard diagram to show which USB ports are connected to an onboard hub controller, etc.
.. I posted something similar. However, ASUS does a reasonable job, to a degree, of describing how bandwidth is divided up amongst PCIe slots, M.2, and the chipset plus CPU bandwidth sharing limitations. The problem is there is no conservation of bandwidth with PCIe 5.0 versus 4.0 etc. I know that the Z790 is extremely limited to its bandwidth and the most annoying feature is the top M.2 PCIe 5.0 immediately leaves only PCIe 5.0 x8 to the GPU and disables the secondary PCIe x16 slot. In that single regard, I actually prefer the Z690 platform.
yeh i cant even use mine, cause i have to put my gpu in the second pcie slot, because of ekwb active backplane. ROG MAXIMUS Z790 EXTREME is my board.@@DJaquithFL
I've got the solution for you TB4 issue, it's really simple - don't use the tb4 ports, use the USB A ports on the back, because they're all USB 3.2 gen 2 ports and will give you the same bandwidth as the front USB C. So you just need to get the right cables and it's all good.
I've got a razer TB4 hub, and there's no difference using that, same issue. So save yourself the trouble and don't buy an expensive hub. The reason laptops have several protocols unbuilt in their TB ports, is because there's no space for a whole bunch of ports, but here there is, so they haven't bothered throwing in USB 3.2 gen 2 in those ports since there are another 6 ports with that protocol. The questionable decision though, is why they're all USB A and not a single USB C. Well, anyway, I hope this helps!
Tried, didn't work...
@@theTechNotice damn, that's weird ☹️. So you've got worse speed from the A ports than the C front port? And your A to C cable surely supports USB 3.2 gen 2? I just tried again with one of my blackmagic media ssd's, and I get 750-800 on both the front C and back A. TB gives me less than half. 🤔
Can you try switching the motherboard and report if you still experience the same problem, preferably a motherboard from a different vendor. I would also love to know wether it's a thunderbolt issue or an Asus motherboards issue.
Yeah he should try a BIOS update or check if there are any separate firmware updates related to USB ports - i had one besides BIOS for my Strix Z690-A but it was just USB-C power delivery related firmware update in my case. Also he can use a USB-A to USB-C 10Gbit cable because he has those ports there, he isn't limited to USB-C for 10Gbit
@@OneCosmic749 I have the same mobo. yes, I am not limited to those thunderbolt ports, I would like to use them as I am using all other ports for necessary things. The ports working this way is unacceptable in 2023. Back compat is a thing for a reason.
Good choice with power supply, i use same fortron hydro 1200W and its amazing, best power supply i ever had, great power and silent !
You are also creating turbulence by expelling air from the front and back of the case. This generates and airflow problems.
Drop the 420 and use a 280 if you're not going to utilize the cooling power of the 420. You don't need 30mm thick fans and if the case won't allow them use the standard 140mm Be quiet lightwings, the 9 blade not the 7 blade (Yes it makes a difference). Or Put that 420 rad on the top which will be less stressful on it's pump anyway. Front mount Tubes down is best but not always an option on larger cases, tubes at top on a front mount rad can cause pump issues later as it's more of a stressful flow. Nice build all in all, Antec has really made a great jump into modern cases, and it's about time!
I went a step more, two 200mm front case , CPU AIO 360rad, 120 front and rear , and still have room for the 4090 zotac amp extreme airo , plus two 140 fans back case as well , one 140 fan on case floor , and with only one 140 fan exhaust .
I’m Planning on building a pc based on your $3,000 pc configuration. So thankful for all the tech advice videos. I may have missed this video, but when I looked up UA-cam for installing arctic freezer ii, most recommended having the tubes at the bottom when installing front facing, for less noise. I see in this video the tubes are at the top. Wondering re your thinking for this
What are your specs?
From my own test (work rig) I found that doing a bottom to top airflow is pretty optimal - then you’re not going against your GPU’s fan, assuming it’s air cooled.
Something like a lian li Dynamic o11 is great and you can put Phanteks T30’s pretty much everywhere top & bottom (they make a HUGE) difference. I have the mini mesh version and even with a 4090 / 7950x, everything runs cool as a cucumber.
top to bottom, like anti-physics? so you're fighting with the hot air rising? Am I getting this right?
@@theTechNotice My bad, I meant bottom to top - to go with the physics (:
Transfer speeds have been an issue for so long, I genuinely think it's a Windows problem because explorer is always freezing and crashing etc. I often transfer files from my PC to my S8 Tablet via USB3, if I try transfer a folder with lots of files it takes forever and often crashes everything. But if I zip the folder and then transfer as a single file, it's much quicker and no issues. Transfer speeds still feel slow for today's hardware. It's often faster for me to upload to Google Drive and then Download the file as I have a full fibre symmetric Gigabit internet connection.
I think this is probably an issue with your tablet, have you checked what protocol does your tablet use? Most android devices use MTP protocol which is shitty as hell. Some android devices use mass storage protocol which is much less problematic(like USB drives and external HDDs use) and some android devices has a setting to choose the protocol or sometimes there exists a mod for it.
My guy, build yourself a NAS, and look into using rsync to directly ingest new footage onto the NAS. You can automate these processes and spend less time messing with hubs and transferring footage.
Hi! Video editor here. I was going for this mobo + 13900K, BUT now I've seen your issues with the TB4 ports... SO SAD, i was going for them exactly + 10GBe. I'm constantly using external SSDs, transferring data every day, so this "advertised feature" will be a huge bottleneck for the speeds... If you find a solution, please, share it with us. Thank you!
1:50 if you have this dirty in the radiators, it doesnt speak very well of you as a user. Its like a dentist showing their teeth full of tartar.😅😅
At about minute 6 or so, the aio is installed with the tubes at the top, that's going to create air pockets near the opening of the tubes. Will also possibly create a gurgling noise.
Yep. Jay2Cents covered that.
Perfect PC for school work.😀
I want to move mine from a 5000X case into a 7000D case, but yeah, not goign to go through all that tearing and pulling thing out part.
It took quite a lot of labor to get it all in there just right. And it works. SO it's staying put.
I was debating to go with Corsair case or Antec F1, I went with Antec, moving from one case to another is easy and enjoyable if nice case, but when you have hard tubing and not flex tubing water cooling system, then it makes you re think 100 times if you wanna do it, hard tubing is not easy but beautiful way better then AIO cooling
Need thunderbolt cable and thunderbolt supported device in order to get it working
I am using the Antec Performance One FT case and seeking to upgrade my Noctua air cooler to an AIO cooler for my 7950X setup. Can you suggest any 420mm AIO cooler with a slim radiator that can be mounted in a pull/push setup without removing the bottom fan? What is your experience with dust collection in a front-mounted pull/push setup?
Thanks for making this video, its nice to see other creators having the same issue. I have been struggling with this for the last few years.. about to switch back to apple products. If you find any solutions about the transfer speeds please let me know.
The problem with the IO is that Alder And Rapture Lake CPUs have the Io controller on the motherboard and not on the chip like the previous generations did. All IO is laggy with these CPUs. I notice it just normal use on my 13900k computer.
That's a theory that's been debunked. They simply moved it's place in the die. Do provide links to prove me wrong
I have specific USB 20G and USB 40G cables that make a difference from reader to appropriate USB connection. I think its the card readers potentially
Hello, I posted this in your last video "MAXXED OUT Video Editing PC 3 Months Later - WAS IT WORTH IT?" My Thunderbolt 4 is working with USB-C
Based my new build on your recommendations and I'm really happy with the performance in Premiere! I bought the Asus ProArt (same MB as yours), 13900k, RTX 4080 and 64 gigs of ram. You stated that your Thunderbolt 4 does not read your USB-C devises but mine does. I have my Corsair monitor (Corsair XENEON 32QHD240 32" WQHD) connected to one TB4 and a SanDisk 1TB Extreme Portable External SSD, 550MB/s read/write to the other. I ran a Blackmagic speed test on the ScanDisk and I got about 520 read/write. When I built my system I downloaded the latest BIOS and installed Intel's TB4 drivers. Works perfectly for me! I really enjoy your UA-cam channel and keep up the great work!
Is the Sandisk SSD plugged into the monitor or to the back of the motherboard?
@@theTechNotice Its connected to the back of the motherboard, directly to the TB4 connector. I just ran another test a few minutes ago, I copied a ProResHQ, 95 gig video file from the Scandisk (Connected to the back TB4) to my desktop. It took approximately under 4 minutes to copy over.
This is the driver I have installed below in my "Intel Driver & Support Assistant"
Thunderbolt Controller 1
Driver Details:
Version1.41.1340.0
Device Details
Thunderbolt™ GenerationThunderbolt 4 (1137)
Number Of Ports2
Security LevelKernel DMA Protection
NVM Firmware Version38:0
Pcie TunnelingTrue
I looked manual of motherboard and it doesn't show USB ports that uses motherboard's chipset or CPU ones. Even thought they didn't mention but if there is something like that like every motherboard. Front panel's USB hub works well so you need to connect same USB hub. Page 66 as pdf page 2-27 in manual in ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI User’s Manual ( English Edition ) USB Hubs are seperated by 7, 9 and 4 (includes 4 USBs). Try those 3 shown seperated USB hubs or if you want you can check every single one of them. By trying you can connect to same USB hub that uses front panel's USB hub which works stable. Usually front panel's USBs share USB hub.
note: when you use push-pull mismatched fans on a rad they will "fight" each other because they don't have the same pressure at the same RPM
Yes. You should always use same fans in push/pull, and always run them at the same speed.
True, to be honest I'm waiting for the arctic fans to die so I could replace them with something better 😁
@@theTechNotice the Arctic fans are better, I use P14 PWM PSO CO in all my builds and clients' - for the price, the P14 is awesome
yeh i see similar problems, i have the $400 sonnettech card. i have the ROG MAXIMUS Z790 EXTREME and every way possible to bring in stuff. i have all the right cables and thunderbolt external drives. optical thunderbolt cables and so on. optical 10gbps usb c cables, and docks.
I can't remember the last time I saw someone use or talk about Antec products. It has to have been at least ten years. They used to be a popular brand, then just fell away.
I would LOVE if this channel went into in depth with intels Quicksync crushing Davinci Resolve all the time when rendering. Has been an issue for over 2 years... while in theory the Intel IGPU is an absolute blessing, it makes complex Renders (Wedding Films in my case) very unstable. It crashes Davinci Resolve randomly when using h265 10bit 422 Footage and sadly even 4090 cant decode this so its either CPU bruteforce or iGPU, but IGPU causes crashes A LOT... any thoughts on this?
And if this video is made, please consider testing Premiere's Mogrts with Quicksync. I've heard that it is night and day for those whose workflow depends on mogrts, but can't find any reliable source that would justify switching to Intel at the end of the LGA1700 lifecycle.
Interesting. I thought those guys encoders would make the editing process easier. I didn't k ow it was a problem. When rendering. I guess that means that the beefier high core count chips are a good investment.
how certain is it that it's the iGPU that causes the crashes? 🤔🤔
Just building a new video edit PC with a i9 13900k with x3 NME SSD drives, using Adobe Premiere Pro, but the RTX 4080 is dam expensive.
Amd does pretty good aswell, 7900xt can be had for 700$ and net you great performance.
Too late. I've already bought it. i9 14900k is not a massive update. @@NajiSibin
Can you explain how you’re running 128Gb of DDR5 memory in this build?
I have contacted many people about a build I’m planning and every response I get is that using all 4 dims will cause massive issues with my ram
First time hearing of such a thing. Normally, using all four dims only has issues when using very high speed ram. If you are using regular DDR5 ram, it shouldn't matter how many gigabytes of ram you are using (As long as it does not exceed the maximum capacity your motherboard supports, which is detailed in your motherboard owner's manual).
He likely got lucky with very well binned ram and motherboard combinations, Silicon lottery. It's very rare but feels super nice not having to compromise.
AMD AM5 has huge problems with 4 sticks of ram. Intel is fine as long as you use 5600 or maybe 6000 speeds.
I have the ProArt Z790 and am running two 64GB CMT64GX5M4B5600C36 kits of Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB for 128GB at 4800MHz . Working well. If I use the AI OC I bump the voltage to 1.35V.
im running 192gb on a ROG MAXIMUS Z790 EXTREME. works great!
CAN You Share COST About This Build ?
I’d like to see you update your rig with each shiny flagship product
Do you think you could stick two suprim water-cooled 4090s there?
buy a thunderbolt 4 dock/hub. That being said SD cards are usually are pretty slow when transfering big files.
Do you have to attach the front fans directly to the AIO grill? Couldn't you attach the fans to the case, and then attach the grill to the case behind them separately? Thx
I have this case, with an Asus Pro Art Z790 and I will be putting in the i9-14900. Only question is if 2x 6400 Corsair Vengeance DDR5 Ram CL32 will be enough for my photo and video editing. I also plan on using 2x 2Tb Samsung 990 Pro SSD initially.
which gpu are you using ? im about to build a pc for content creation.. using the proart 760 d4 mb will have 32 gigs of ram and the i5 13600k because i have one lying around
I think you might be having a cable issue. I plug in a bunch of USB-C peripherals on my Z690 pro art thunderbolt connection in the back and I don't have speed issues
Well done lads!
I hade to increase the PCH 0.82 volt rail to get better transfer rate for the 20 GBits USB-C 2x2 Port on my MSI MPG z790 Edge mainboard.
how to do that
I thought USB 3.... something (I gave up after they shifted all the 3 naming) was baked into the TB4 spec?
Is it a cable compliance issue maybe? Get the "full speed" with a proper TB4 cable?
using cloud drive might help? or use internal card reader
Why not puting the radiator on the top rather than on the side? 😊
Nice video. Interesting seeing your problems reading multiple memory cards in a work flow like scenario where you constantly plugging/unplugging cards. Wonder if any of your issues is unique to the hardware you are using (e.g., 3 ft thunderbolt 4 cables, card readers, that PCIe thunderbolt PCIe adapter card --- two controller chips and 4 lanes of PCIe4 should be enough, shouldn't it?) might be part of the problem. Have you tried this with a TB4 equipped laptop?
I also own a ProArt Z790 motherboard that I regret buying. All of those lanes dedicated to two thunderbolt 4 ports in the back of a case that I have on the floor --- really long distance for TB4 to cover to get to peripherals on my desk. Lose a lot for those TB4 ports: only four PCIe4 m.2 slots. i A Gen 2.1 2x2 header; but, I don't have a case with USB-C port that can take advantage of its speed.
About your TB extension card issue, why didn't you get the ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 ? It's 100% compatible and set the transfer speed up to 40Gbps. Also, sorry to ask but as it's not visible on your video, did you connect the PCIe extension card on TB4 motherboard connectors with the cable (inside the case) ?
This card is not TB, is USB :)
Great day that machine is a beast
The IO on Creator motherboard is limited yet exceedingly stretched. I see this as a problem with the available PCIe lanes.
Minimize the connected devices and you will see the difference
Had the same thought. Looks like a PCIe lanes bottleneck, upgrade to a prober CPU platform and problem solved😂😂
why would you not use the a-rgb fans from the acrtic 420mm you showed in the video ? the a-rgb fans are considerably better than the normal arctic fans that you had from the bequiet case.
I have a thought
We can do video editing in cloud with a subscription plan.
Doing that through cloud is feasible cost wise ?
If possible how far we can go with it ?
Please to comment on this .
I skipped around quite a bit with your video .. However, You have to look in the manual about how each USB and PCIe is divided up with the limited bandwidth of either the CPU and or the chipset i.e. 'shared.' not to mention once you connect a PCIe card, it may also share bandwidth with with your GPU PCIe x16 slot, and some bandwidth can be disabled once a different USB or PCIe slot is occupied. Yep, it's convoluted...
Yep, know that, and checked, there shouldn't loose anything in this particular setup...
@@theTechNotice.. "Loose" ?? I'm referring to the shared / disabled via BIOS bandwidth of your limited PCIe lanes.
@@theTechNotice.. Also the i7-13900K only has 20 lanes, the processor supports up to four PCIe 4.0 and sixteen PCIe 5.0 lanes.
It could be because the ucbc card tries to use the same pcie lanes as the ssd pluged in.
I can confirm that NvME 4.0 Lexar Aris drive in a 10Gbps case on my Editing PC (6000Mhz 2x32GB Corsair RAM + 13900k CPU + 3090 RTX GPU + Z790 ProArt Creator Motherboard + Windows 11 | >> Can sustain ~950 MB/s upload speed (copying files from the SSD to my PC) for over ~15 minutes (uploading ~1tb of .mp4 video files). The external NVME drive is plugged via USB-c to USB-c in the second (from the top) Thunderbolt port, on the back of the PC.
And all that while running 100+ Chrome tabs and Unreal Engine in the foreground.
I was looking to buy that motherboard. Now you are making me terethink that plan. I will try to find something witha comparable MB I guess with a better onboard controller
May I learn the brand and model of the panel monitor that appears between 12:41 and 13:00 ?
I haven't seen 3.5" ssd s before, can you show us? 4:52😅
LOL!
Are you using a thunderbolt 4 rated usbc cable
It's so weird to me that people don't realize you can just stuff 2.5 sata ssds anywhere. They aren't mechanical, they don't need vibration reduction. You can use as many sata ssds as your motherboard supports regardless of case, unless you're doing something with an itx case that just doesn't have any extra room.
I just double tape them wherever as well hihi 🤫
I purchased an expansion card PCIE to m.2(x4) and though it seems to work (haven't populated all slots) I suspect slower times than I expected.
I never delved into it yet. It's purpose for me, this is more about having extra storage over speed.
are you up for a community shootout? we send you our office desk pictures and workstations and you do an episode commenting those?
I like the idea of that! How many are interested in this?
@@theTechNotice when Optimum tech did it he had way more submissions than he could use. Maybe start getting the pics, sponsor this after every video and when you have enough drop it?
*Im dead*
"Tech Notice Guy drops another vid*
*RESURRECTS*
Any idea what the 'new' ASUS z790 Pro art motherboard improvements will be? I heard they are upgrading it for the intel refresh coming out soon. Will the extra power/cores/heat from the new i7-14700K require liquid cooling? I am interested in the MOBO and i7-14700k for Audio production only w/o a graphics Card. Thanks
I haven’t seen or heard anything about the pro art motherboard being refreshed.
Put the Shark Air Purifier 6 in your room. Eliminated dust in my PC room.
Dam so many build options it's hard not to have fomo.
In my world a creator PC should have slots for micro SD, SD and CFexpress with adequate speeds. I hate all this fumbling around with cables and external media boxes.
would a pc like this play games too ?
i wonder if crucial RAM and SSD are good for creative work like 3D and editing? and if you can make a video about build PC budget 4000$ to 4500$ using Crucial RAM i really appreciate
I have a 4TB Crucial SSD for the source files, I had a few speed issues before I saw that it requires a driver install. So be sure to install the driver, especially for the large drives.
No issues in nearly a year of use, I edited 6TB of videos from it.
Soooo I have the same case and same AIO.... and I fit it in the front of the case......
what about angel bird card reader? i have one it so good
What GPU in this build?
that is the case i wanted to get, but i got the Phantek g500a performance. cause this front i didn't like.
This is not a Full Tower I'm sorry to say, a full tower stands almost as tall as your desk when on the floor. So pretty much almost twice as tall.
God knows I miss real full tower cases at decent prices. What a robbery these have become and not even with a power supply which also used to be part of the case from the factory. Blheh
Maybe the Motherboard is kaputt by this usb behavior, Have you tried another Motherboard and observe this behavior with the new motherboard?
I am using an antec p20c nice case pity their customer service sucks tho
ya, if you paid for a feature on a MB, you shouldn't have to go buy an external version bc the feature on the MB ain't doing whats advertised.
What gpu?
Maybe this is just personal preference but I wud like to see my pc since theres a glass window on it 13:10
dope case
I'm having kind of a similar problem. But i use my phone for recording and wanted to transfer from it via usb c (phone) to usb A 3.0 (Computer).
So since i removed the Windows phone link (I didn't like all my phone messages appearing on my pc), i tried sharing a folder on my pc so i could access the folder on my phone and transfer the files through Wifi. I however couldn't get it to work.
Do your camera's have Wifi? Maybe you can try transferring this way. (If you can get it working)
No clue what i did wrong. If anyone got some advice pls feel free to educate me.
I have watched countless and numerous videos on UA-cam of people supposedly explaining how to install or assemble a computer, and they do it wrong by installing the radiator backwards. This should not be done; it is a bad practice as it causes air bubbles to accumulate in the pump, reducing the lifespan of your components.
What vacuum cleaner is that? thx
Bosch series 7, don't recommend.
But how's the noise?
Ah man, literally one day after I copied your rig and built my, and now you swap out the case 😂. I suddenly feel an urge to do the same for some strange reason, but naaah, I'm happy with the be quiet 802.
its their part of job . our not😊
Id choose the fsp anyway!
Too confusing, this is why companies that make custom workstations charge an arm and a leg. Seems the tech is not there yet (despite what benchmarks claim) and there is still a lot of room for improvement. I bet they will come up with an interface faster than TB4 in the near future.
had you tried to run the same test under a linux live distribution? there is a good chance all the problems you'll having are because poor drivers from microsoft.
30x140 is nothing special?
Hi, I also have the z790 proart motherboard, and huge thunderbolt issues.
However, I get decent speed with my two usb-c CFexpress card readers, they are “only” 5gbps but they performs at that sped when using the thunderbolt ports. However I have experienced some thunderbolt “crashes” and then the card reader speed drops down to usb 2 speeds.
A also have a thunderbolt driver fail during windows boot and also WHEA logger errors on the PCI root port. (according to device manager the thunderbolt is connected to the pci rot port that produces the WHEA logger errors)
Do you have any errors like that ?
I also struggle with display over thunderbolt, etc. it kind of works but to unstable to be useful.
I don’t get display signal until windows has booted halfway up. And sometimes windows just hang during boot. Etc. no display during post etc until I take a reboot. (I have a ASUS proart monitor with thunderbolt.)
I have also done a complete fresh windows 10 installation on a separate m.2, and it’s the same.
so I suspect it’s the motherboard.
I have contacted ASUS customer service, but they have not been helpful yet. (But they are verry good to blame everybody else.)
Is it the top end ProArt monitor? If so, that monitor has very slow boot times and not necessarily to do with the Windows/motherboard.
@@theTechNotice I have an Asus PA34VC. I don’t notice any change in boot time if I use it on DisplayPort directly (thunderbolt disconnected) or through Thunderbolt.
Do a gaming test on your pc . Rdr2 and warzone 2.0 with max settings.
some glitch happens and he got 18 fps!
This is not a gaming channel.
You can get that kind of content on thousands of other channels.
Be carefull with the built in Windows copy Tool. Its monothread and not very powerfull
All that work for one cpu…😬That i7 14700k looking more and more enticing
large case, one hdd slot. why would anyone buy that?
i dont belived you change case with new case but same configuration AIO than old case
clickbait title. youre gonna upgrade as soon as any new hw comes out :{
Be Quiets case was better.
ok
Same rig except for the mobo. and Same issue. Happens everytime chrome is open. Fvck Chrome.