If Saber was summoned by a master, then she loses. If Saber was summoned by the world to be its Counter Guardian then this fight becomes completely equal as then Saber would be receiving support from the world itself and use its mana.
Great video. I haven't watched Fate, so it was nice to learn about Saber.Sounds like a neat chracter. As for Reinhard, the limitations on some divine protections were a great adition. Very few adress this topic, and without it, its easy to go the no limits bias.
How about you do video like "Strongest Vessel in Fiction" where you compare characters whose powers come mainly from entity they contain within or are cursed with like you could go all over the fiction for examples
This is a fair conclusion, Reinhard would win even if he were translated into the Nasuverse, to his benefit really, he would basically be a second Arcueid, but I would still argue that an unleashed Excalibur bypasses Reinhard's Phoenix Blessings, circumventing or even overpowering immortalities of any form is a... shockingly(?) common feat in the Nasuverse.
Yes, Reid is the better swordsman has he has more skill than Reinhard. Reinhard is unable to use any weapon without breaking them but Reid can use his sword techniques with anything (he uses advanced sword techniques even when wielding chopsticks). Reinhard is however more powerful and the Author has confirmed this, Reinhard may not have Reids skill, but Reinhard is stronger, has his mana absorption and his countless blessings that puts him above Reid.
okay there are a few things that this guy forgot to mention (yes the list is of the same time period of the things he mentioned) 1. Saber can be light speed. 2. Saber has dodged light speed attacks. (can even fight people who can attack instantaneous for example cu-calan.) 3, Saber can tank attack that does not follow the laws of the world. 4. Saber can't lose battle of sword fight. and can't accept defeat. means she will continuously fight for eternity without food and water like a robot. 5. Saber Excalibur can erase outer gods level character and even 8-d characters. So if anyone is in the right mind think reinhard will win. Bro, she in light novel has done more op things so tell me i will make a list. in a few days.
There's also somethings he forgot to mention about Reinhard but all in all, i think most of it was pretty spot on. •Reinhard's combat and reaction speed surpasses the confines of light, evident in his superiority over characters like Reid Astrea, who effortlessly deflected multiple light-speed attacks with chopsticks while not even in his prime and nerfed. Even Cecilus, with astronomical injuries, was dodging light beams, and also slowed perception time to evade a light beam mid-air, showcasing extreme combat, reaction and perception speed. •While the video mentioned Cecilus's lightning-fast travel speed, which was correct, it omitted his absurd combat, reaction & perception speed, which far exceed his travel capabilities. Despite being heavily injured, Cecilus slowed perception time to a hundredth (1/100), evading light beams mid-air and conversing with himself, even outrunning them. Reinhard, equally skilled, can employ this technique, courtesy of the Flow Method. How it works in this case forexample would be that the Light beam was moving at the speed of light, but by slowing down his perception speed, 1 second was divided into 100 parts. Meaning it would be 100 seconds slower than its original speed in Cecilus view, the beam does no get affected, it's moving at lightspeed, but In cecilus POV, it's moving at a snails pace. •The discussion on Reinhard's "Blessing of Second Sight" might have overlooked its full extent. It grants Reinhard the ability to automatically dodge subsequent attacks faster than the first, and all the others after that (not just the second attack), if they are dodgeable. However, attacks on an apocalyptic scale might be beyond evasion unless Reinhard can relocate to space (which he can't). All in all this Grants Reinhard, Faster than Light combat and Reaction speed, and Massively Faster than Light (probably much higher) Perception speed, as for now. In my opinion, i don't think this would be enough to defeat saber, Reinhard has existence Erasure which would kill saber and Saber can Die by getting her head or heart destroyed if i'm not mistaken, whether Reinhard would be able to achieve that, i don't know. But i do know that Saber wouldn't be able to Permanately kill Reinhard, because Reinhard will keep ressurecting infinitely. So if it's who's stronger, i'd say saber, but if it's who's gonna win, then it's nobody because none of them will be able to kill eachother. (Kinda reminds me of the Whole Reinhard vs Satella topic)
Quick question when was is said that saber cant pose in a sword battle? Cause ive never heard of that til now. And in pure swordsmanship i have a few people over her
@@whateverwhatever4476 She can't be lightspeed because no Servant can be lightspeed without dying. She has never shown the ability to dodge instantaneous attacks because Cu doesn't attack instantaneously, that was all her reality-screwing luck. She has never been stated to be incapable of losing a swordfight. She has never erased 8D characters or real Outer Gods (the Fate Outer Gods are stupid dumb fake Outer Gods that are merely cosplaying as the Outer Gods to be recognized by humanity and are irrelevantly weaker than the actual Outer Gods). In fact, she can't erase anything and has no erasure powers. The tanking of attacks that don't follow the laws of the world is fine, but attacks can "not follow the laws of the world" in an infinite number of ways and not all of them make them boundless or whatever you wanna wank Saber into being.
W for my boy Reinhard, anyways you said it best at the end that Reinhard basically has a cheatcode for everything Artoria can dish out or survive with Avalon but her stronger forms will mop the floor with him, good video as always (an Argument could be made for the FSN/UBW/HF Excalibur just outright killing Reinhard depending on how many of the 13 seals are released and depending on how much of a threat Reinhard is to earth )
One thing here servants can cleave concepts and the blessings itself isnt that much a problem and dont compare him and herc cause herc tanked an np that could destroy the texture of the world in lb5 and its funny how u lessen artorias arsenal also regarding to her mana reserves she can outmatch him before she ran out of mana, also shall we add some feats regarding to her seeming that the blessings is strong but it never close to the level of the servants fought regardless in maintimeline, ccc and stay night cause low end servant can take on outer gods and concepts that have greater authority than blessings cause the blessings shown doesnt shown at a potency that could compare to other beings that they have fought
Reinhard Van Astrea wins as if there was a question about it the moment author had a comment on how Reinhard can figh the sun there was no question about it
@@n9tailz so what your saying is despite there all sorts of BS in re zero weird ass powers witch who fuck with time and sword that apply it destroyed the world and remake it a new and divine protection range from all sword saint to sex yes sex there is sex divine protection you draw the line when suggested that he could possibly figh sun weather tappei said it or not considering said guy can create new Divine Protections that never existed before I don't dubut and then he go do BS like get back from the moon by kicking the moon to back to the ground like Saitama so yeah I don't know about you I'm betting my money on the guy if there was a fight with the sun
Sorry about my other comment so and i decide to removed it cause it sounds disrespectful, and Again sorry for that comment but i still say that i still disagree the outcome but my comment is not a good way to show a proper disagreement
27:40 Although avalon is called a shield, it doesnt block anything. its more like a portal or gateway and you cant get through it, the attack is redirected somewhere else and i dont know where
Sir if you are giving Artoria access to Avalon the you are sending Rienhard up against unsealed Saber Avalon not the Artoria the you show in the video and in a fight against unsealed Saber Avalon reinhard is not winning in any circumstance
I'm prety sure that Anos Voldigoad from Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha would trash Reinhard. He's prety much *the* self insert overpowered protagonist, to the point that it would almost be boring to watch him fighting on screen it it wasn't for his creative ways to torture his enemies in to submission. Only with his Venuzdonoa alone, witch defy all logic, he could instantly cut off all of Reinhard's blessings and then win him out by any means he want, or just win him by shear brute force and then destroy his "origin" (aka soul) in order to stop him from reviving.
22:50 Artoria is faster than kirei who speedblitzed assassin who is lightning speed and shes also slower than a barrage of gilgameshs GOB but she can easily react to it so she matches reinhard in speed
I think a fully unsealed Excalibur would likely kill Reinhardt since it was able to kill the white titan, a being so powerful that in most timelines where Excalibur isn't forged/used, it manages to beats almost all the gods/phantasmal from all the mythology, all the civilizations, and most of the very texture human exist on. Meaning, a fully unsealed excalibur must have power similar to Zeus in Lostbelt 5 who's able to unleash blasts strong enough to destroy the entire planet and lightning so powerful those it burn can't be brought back to life even by another god power. Not that it would matter much since Reinhardt wouldn't fulfill the requirements for the seal to be lifted. However, I'm pretty sure he would beat Saber in a straight sword battle. Arthoria is a good swordwoman but not the best, even among the Knights of the Round she is second to at least Lancelot and Galahad in skill. So I'm pretty sure Reinhardt's blessing would give him the edge here.
the only reason I somewhat agree with you is because you left out the VN and games. Because VN/Game Sabers (there is way too many saber) existence can wipe Re:Zero.
That's infinite cap. Saber is baseline outer this video is cap too since nobody from another weaker verse can even harm saber since they have no mystic code but whatever if he gets one hit by Excalibur he won't return even with his blessings
What counts like a win if killing your enemy counts as a win then no one is winning this fight but if win just stopping my enemy then 50/50 if one of them use 2 brain cells and just grabs the other person throws them to sun because even if you can heal you will have some problem trying to over come the gravity of the sun
Saber vs Reinhard: *Legendary battle* Muramasa Alter Ego if he fought Reinhard: Oh you're a buff boy? Too bad *Tsumukari Muramasa* *Proceeds to cut every bond with Od Laguna from Reinhard with a single strike *
I don’t know anything about Lostbelt 7 ORT but I’m gonna lean on Doomsday. The dude killed Superman and that guy is just insane with some of his comic feats
Lb ort negs due to the fact that at its weakest it destroy the connection to the throne of heroes after it assimilated the servants and create its own throne and create a grand system to itself that is beyond concept and laws seeing even at its weakest the laws of the planet doesnt apply to him
Hahaha please lookup ORT would you? okay so I'll keep it simple ORT is an ultimate one representing the oort cloud as it's avatar as it's avatar it can always respawn from there on the off chance it's defeated, in a nutshell some of it's abilities are it's crystal valley that allows it to change the laws of the world to fit it's own like how it changed the entire north america into its world with it's own trees of emptiness, it has a stellar class sprit origin which means it can output enough energy to match stars, it can perfectly analyse and replicate the abilities of anything it absorbs or kills gaining its abilities, seen as when Chaldea attacked it simply devoured all servants registered,an ultimate one the concept of death doesn't apply to it seen as how billions of years of fighting against the Lost Beast of Oblivion Camazotz who is simply unkillable because it took the ritualistic sacrifice of all living humans on his planet to give himself such immortality and said beast ripping out its heart only put it to sleep. Heck it took Taloc Tecnothitlan (sorry I probably butchered that spelling) sacrificing her life using her noble phantasm to hold ORT down for a short amount of time, kingprotea Alter sacrificing her life to do something similar, Ereshgigal Alter and dismudid using 20 Gugulanna legs (which equates to enough power to kill sefar) to attack it only giving it a scratch, the final stand of the denos attacking it, obe of them had the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception mind you, chaldea using every canon servant in it's disposal to fight ORT while they were running for thier life,king Hassan teaching Benienma Alter Azrael and her using it on him to give ORT the concept of death, Beast 7 U-Olga Marie using her saint graph to power the human order ray proof (which is basically chaldea's weaponization of the divine construct Excalibur that they got in the British Lostbelt) while U-Olga Marie used her authority Tackyon Jail (that can freeze time) to stop its insane regeneration to finally destroy it's physical body, and it was nerfed as its still missing it's heart. Then when we thought it was dead it used the data it got from devouring so many servants to HACK into the throne of heroes, created its own version of history where it existed for 100000 years that was acceptable to the counter force allowing it to be summoned as a servant but not just any servant since it's power was so vast and ORT changed the rules it's throne of heroes it got summoned as Grand Foreigner. Plus since it's using its own body as a catalyst even if you kill it, it'll automatically summon it's self again so as long there's a single cell of it's body left and since that Lostbelt king is it's defied heart so as long she's also not killed it will endlessly respawn. Zelritch also said that the current humanity can do nothing against a full powered version as it will simply copy all the abilities human order and the counter force can throw at it. Let me reiterate the man with the second true magic Kaleidoscope which can access the infinite energy from parallel worlds and imprisonment Alcatraz in his own maze and has defeated type moon also known as Brunstud, as in that Brunstud the ancestor of all dead apostles and dead apostle Ancestors is afraid of this thing, it's basically the Nasuverse's boogyman. So with all that info (which is not all it's none by the way), will you reconsider your opinion a little?
I normally really enjoy your videos, but this was just a terrible matchup. Servant Artoria is way weaker than when she was alive, and then you even used her weakest appearance as a Servant, which was in the Stay Night Trilogy. Her entire fighting style and abilities stem from having an infinite supply of mana with her dragon core, and you used the version where she works with so little mana she can't even consistently use mana bursts or Excalibur without collapsing. So you take her arguably weakest appearance and then pit her up against the guy who has a hax for everything, and if he doesn't, he can just get it by asking. I'm sorry, but this entire video is pointless if one character gets nerfed to kingdom come and the other gets every ability and feat to his name. It's so hopelessly unbalanced there isn't even any point in discussing it.
Well same with Reinhard. Most of the people don't even know how broken he is as the author stated Reinhard is the same powerful without all of his blessings and the author also stated that Reinhard can beat Od laguna itself which is a outerversal entity and lastly yes Re zero verse cosmology is as complex as Nasuverse.
@@Exalter06That's how the verse is set up and well balanced and keeping themselves off from turning into a brainrot overpowered anime still why showe ignore the statements and feats showed throughout the series take true heroic spirit from straight out of thrones of heroes and she one shots
@@DeadApostleAncestor10 my point still stands, he decided to use the stay night version of Altria, theirs nothing wrong with that, besides the same heroic Spirit from the throne of heroes has never even appeared in the entire franchise and we only have word that true heroic spirits are more powerful.
@@Exalter06 Yes servant artoria is obviously inferior yet still can give him a hard time Heroic spirit no doubts wips the whole verse We just don't have statements the lostbelts already showed what a true heroic spirit is capable of their very existence is above space and time There is one thing wrong and it's you calling her altria
What do you mean by bypass? Like they wouldn’t work if he got hit? Unless it passively negates concepts the only useful divine protection that would theoretically be shut off is First and Second Sight Unless Saber destroyed Od Laguna or manipulates it, there isn’t really a way for her to cut Reinhard off from it (maybe the FGO or CCC Saber can do it)
@@BUR404That’s the thing servents are able to destroy concepts and things attached to those concepts. The gods had every type of immortality in fact even if you cancel their immortality if you remember them they would come back and they were still killed by the high tier servants(including saber). The thing is can Reinhardt resurrect from such an attack? Is their any feats of Reinhardt coming back from extreme conceptual erasure. It would be a NLF to say that he would resurrect from Anos Venuznoda or Yogiri death hax.
It depends I guess, No way the base Saber from the trilogy can do everything you’re describing with her limitations Unsealed full power Saber sure. But I’ve argued with people who say Fate is no where near as powerful as you’re describing so sometimes the fanbase and it’s detractors confuse me with the power scaling lol (not throwing shade at you or your points btw)
Saber stomps any version of saber absolutely stomps. Do you know her legend? Reinhardt can't react to nerfed saber she transcend an attack said to exceed to concept of speed in the anime how the fk is Reinhardt even landing a single sword swing? Also Excalibur one shots him and all his blessings due to higher tiering and the nature of its conceptual attacks
Wouldn't it make more sense for Saber to not be summoned as a Servant for a Holy Grail War but as a Grand Servant directly by The Counter Force itself, since in Fate that's what Servants are meant for, and the Holy Grail War is just Mages hijacking that process with the Servants being Inferior vessels? In that case Saber's Parameters and Her Prana Supply would be much higher.
@@KamiSamaisPissedhe would get absolutely thrashed if she wasn’t in a servant container. He just doesn’t have the scaling to match up to anything beyond the original anime and VN
@@Shdbskskcbsn well too bad Reinhard doesn't have ridiculously dumb amount of countless forms/versions variants etc, and this poll is about the anime only, Re zero focuses more on story and character development instead of wanna be DC comics like fate
Nasu verse cosmology is probably high outer - boundless but featwise Reinhard was stated to be able to defeat od laguna itself which is a outerversal entity. The cosmology buff necessarily doesn't work until the character have shown more feat.
Before ya all yell at this video Note how he had to use the WEAKEST Saber. And even then, she put up quite a fight, even if Reinhard still won easily. Makes me wonder if you used Proto Arthur instead though. His “weakest” form should still be above Saber I think?
28:30 Unsealed excalibur in the hands of musashi killed beings that far transcend reinhards existence and excalibur is on par with rhogominiyad so that speaks to its power when unsealed regardless of how haxed you are, you cant compensate for dimensional transcendence with hax, reinhard would die to unsealed excalbur
If Saber was summoned by a master, then she loses. If Saber was summoned by the world to be its Counter Guardian then this fight becomes completely equal as then Saber would be receiving support from the world itself and use its mana.
I think Saber wins even with shirou as a master
@@imthecoolest3884no, I don't think so. She is so massively handicapped
were is her alive version
@@imthecoolest3884 that is called meat riding
@@imthecoolest3884 that is called meat riding
Reinhard is pretty much the embodiment of an op Isekai protagonist without the harem
He can always wish for the divine protection of "Harem Creation" later
@@BUR404 dont forget the divine protection of
always saying the right pick up lines at the right time
@@BUR404 SCP 682 solos
@@davidarvingumazon5024scp 682 not anime
@@BUR404 Shame he cant wish for the divine protection of a "happy family"
Great video, Sinbad(Magi) vs Gilgamesh please
Great video. I haven't watched Fate, so it was nice to learn about Saber.Sounds like a neat chracter. As for Reinhard, the limitations on some divine protections were a great adition. Very few adress this topic, and without it, its easy to go the no limits bias.
How about you do video like "Strongest Vessel in Fiction" where you compare characters whose powers come mainly from entity they contain within or are cursed with like you could go all over the fiction for examples
It's happening it's finally happening here we go another controversy for this channels history that is about to be made.
This is a fair conclusion, Reinhard would win even if he were translated into the Nasuverse, to his benefit really, he would basically be a second Arcueid, but I would still argue that an unleashed Excalibur bypasses Reinhard's Phoenix Blessings, circumventing or even overpowering immortalities of any form is a... shockingly(?) common feat in the Nasuverse.
Excalibur can’t be unsealed fully if there’s in no threat to humanity and Gaia as whole.
14:58 the most broken ability
I'm pretty sure Reid van astrea is better with the sword compared to Reinhard
Well the sword is named after him (I think)...
@@BUR404 yeah it was crafted by volcanica for him
Ofc
*Reid Astrea
Yes, Reid is the better swordsman has he has more skill than Reinhard. Reinhard is unable to use any weapon without breaking them but Reid can use his sword techniques with anything (he uses advanced sword techniques even when wielding chopsticks).
Reinhard is however more powerful and the Author has confirmed this, Reinhard may not have Reids skill, but Reinhard is stronger, has his mana absorption and his countless blessings that puts him above Reid.
I Did not hate reinhard but why every isekai anime have a over power charecter these dude even have the devine protection for salt and suger 😅
okay there are a few things that this guy forgot to mention (yes the list is of the same time period of the things he mentioned)
1. Saber can be light speed.
2. Saber has dodged light speed attacks. (can even fight people who can attack instantaneous for example cu-calan.)
3, Saber can tank attack that does not follow the laws of the world.
4. Saber can't lose battle of sword fight. and can't accept defeat. means she will continuously fight for eternity without food and water like a robot.
5. Saber Excalibur can erase outer gods level character and even 8-d characters.
So if anyone is in the right mind think reinhard will win.
Bro, she in light novel has done more op things so tell me i will make a list. in a few days.
There's also somethings he forgot to mention about Reinhard but all in all, i think most of it was pretty spot on.
•Reinhard's combat and reaction speed surpasses the confines of light, evident in his superiority over characters like Reid Astrea, who effortlessly deflected multiple light-speed attacks with chopsticks while not even in his prime and nerfed. Even Cecilus, with astronomical injuries, was dodging light beams, and also slowed perception time to evade a light beam mid-air, showcasing extreme combat, reaction and perception speed.
•While the video mentioned Cecilus's lightning-fast travel speed, which was correct, it omitted his absurd combat, reaction & perception speed, which far exceed his travel capabilities. Despite being heavily injured, Cecilus slowed perception time to a hundredth (1/100), evading light beams mid-air and conversing with himself, even outrunning them. Reinhard, equally skilled, can employ this technique, courtesy of the Flow Method. How it works in this case forexample would be that the Light beam was moving at the speed of light, but by slowing down his perception speed, 1 second was divided into 100 parts. Meaning it would be 100 seconds slower than its original speed in Cecilus view, the beam does no get affected, it's moving at lightspeed, but In cecilus POV, it's moving at a snails pace.
•The discussion on Reinhard's "Blessing of Second Sight" might have overlooked its full extent. It grants Reinhard the ability to automatically dodge subsequent attacks faster than the first, and all the others after that (not just the second attack), if they are dodgeable. However, attacks on an apocalyptic scale might be beyond evasion unless Reinhard can relocate to space (which he can't).
All in all this Grants Reinhard, Faster than Light combat and Reaction speed, and Massively Faster than Light (probably much higher) Perception speed, as for now.
In my opinion, i don't think this would be enough to defeat saber, Reinhard has existence Erasure which would kill saber and Saber can Die by getting her head or heart destroyed if i'm not mistaken, whether Reinhard would be able to achieve that, i don't know.
But i do know that Saber wouldn't be able to Permanately kill Reinhard, because Reinhard will keep ressurecting infinitely.
So if it's who's stronger, i'd say saber, but if it's who's gonna win, then it's nobody because none of them will be able to kill eachother. (Kinda reminds me of the Whole Reinhard vs Satella topic)
Quick question when was is said that saber cant pose in a sword battle? Cause ive never heard of that til now. And in pure swordsmanship i have a few people over her
All invalid cuz this is Stay Night Saber
@@thomasthecoolkid7228Stay Night Saber can still do all that stuff. She didn't lose the ability to
@@whateverwhatever4476 She can't be lightspeed because no Servant can be lightspeed without dying.
She has never shown the ability to dodge instantaneous attacks because Cu doesn't attack instantaneously, that was all her reality-screwing luck.
She has never been stated to be incapable of losing a swordfight.
She has never erased 8D characters or real Outer Gods (the Fate Outer Gods are stupid dumb fake Outer Gods that are merely cosplaying as the Outer Gods to be recognized by humanity and are irrelevantly weaker than the actual Outer Gods). In fact, she can't erase anything and has no erasure powers.
The tanking of attacks that don't follow the laws of the world is fine, but attacks can "not follow the laws of the world" in an infinite number of ways and not all of them make them boundless or whatever you wanna wank Saber into being.
i sure hope Zarc from Yu-Gi-Oh Arc V will make a appearance in one of his video some day
Imagining someone uses an ability only to get negated and depowered two times by his dragons.
Starving venomy and Dark Rebellion might be menaces in battle.
sorry but actual fights doesn't include yugioh rules like how is starving venom's ability work? will he just copy riendhard's ability
@@kitetenjo4246yes, unless Reinhard can negate that.
@@kitetenjo4246 yes he will, he will also have plot armor in which reinhard doesnt read z-arcs cards
W for my boy Reinhard, anyways you said it best at the end that Reinhard basically has a cheatcode for everything Artoria can dish out or survive with Avalon but her stronger forms will mop the floor with him, good video as always
(an Argument could be made for the FSN/UBW/HF Excalibur just outright killing Reinhard depending on how many of the 13 seals are released and depending on how much of a threat Reinhard is to earth )
One thing here servants can cleave concepts and the blessings itself isnt that much a problem and dont compare him and herc cause herc tanked an np that could destroy the texture of the world in lb5 and its funny how u lessen artorias arsenal also regarding to her mana reserves she can outmatch him before she ran out of mana, also shall we add some feats regarding to her seeming that the blessings is strong but it never close to the level of the servants fought regardless in maintimeline, ccc and stay night cause low end servant can take on outer gods and concepts that have greater authority than blessings cause the blessings shown doesnt shown at a potency that could compare to other beings that they have fought
It said Fate SN, UBW, the movies not novels & games sheesh...
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud- doesnt change the fact that base servant even weaker than her in fsn dealt greaater opponents than him
@@nhazulkimonalos9895kinda does since we have not seen Saber take down outer gods or cut concepts in SN or UBW
@@jacksonwalters7692 technique she did kill something similar in fate zero
@@jacksonwalters7692 she did
Reinhard Van Astrea wins as if there was a question about it the moment author had a comment on how Reinhard can figh the sun there was no question about it
@@n9tailz so what your saying is despite there all sorts of BS in re zero weird ass powers witch who fuck with time and sword that apply it destroyed the world and remake it a new and divine protection range from all sword saint to sex yes sex there is sex divine protection you draw the line when suggested that he could possibly figh sun weather tappei said it or not considering said guy can create new Divine Protections that never existed before I don't dubut and then he go do BS like get back from the moon by kicking the moon to back to the ground like Saitama so yeah I don't know about you I'm betting my money on the guy if there was a fight with the sun
Sorry about my other comment so and i decide to removed it cause it sounds disrespectful, and Again sorry for that comment but i still say that i still disagree the outcome but my comment is not a good way to show a proper disagreement
27:40
Although avalon is called a shield, it doesnt block anything. its more like a portal or gateway and you cant get through it, the attack is redirected somewhere else and i dont know where
I wonder if reinhard can fight against the perfect being (from certain anime I forgot the anime)
The only “Perfect Beings” I know about is Kars from Jojo, Ajimu from Medaka Box and Father from Full Metal Alchemist
Forgetting perfect Cell is crazy
Sir if you are giving Artoria access to Avalon the you are sending Rienhard up against unsealed Saber Avalon not the Artoria the you show in the video and in a fight against unsealed Saber Avalon reinhard is not winning in any circumstance
I'm prety sure that Anos Voldigoad from Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha would trash Reinhard. He's prety much *the* self insert overpowered protagonist, to the point that it would almost be boring to watch him fighting on screen it it wasn't for his creative ways to torture his enemies in to submission. Only with his Venuzdonoa alone, witch defy all logic, he could instantly cut off all of Reinhard's blessings and then win him out by any means he want, or just win him by shear brute force and then destroy his "origin" (aka soul) in order to stop him from reviving.
Blessing of salt reading victim 😂
Re zero verse cosmology surpasses Maou gaokin verse and Od laguna is a outerversal entity while Anos is hyperversal at max
22:50
Artoria is faster than kirei who speedblitzed assassin who is lightning speed and shes also slower than a barrage of gilgameshs GOB but she can easily react to it
so she matches reinhard in speed
is rienhard ftl?
pretty sure she just flat out dodged an attack that changes causality itself so at this point she just blitzes lmao
Bro saber dodged an in perceivable attack while nerfed lol no way Reinhardt can even land a hit with a sword on saber
@muwvana she reacted to medusas light bullets and is faster than Shirou who can Think at light speeds
I think a fully unsealed Excalibur would likely kill Reinhardt since it was able to kill the white titan, a being so powerful that in most timelines where Excalibur isn't forged/used, it manages to beats almost all the gods/phantasmal from all the mythology, all the civilizations, and most of the very texture human exist on.
Meaning, a fully unsealed excalibur must have power similar to Zeus in Lostbelt 5 who's able to unleash blasts strong enough to destroy the entire planet and lightning so powerful those it burn can't be brought back to life even by another god power.
Not that it would matter much since Reinhardt wouldn't fulfill the requirements for the seal to be lifted.
However, I'm pretty sure he would beat Saber in a straight sword battle. Arthoria is a good swordwoman but not the best, even among the Knights of the Round she is second to at least Lancelot and Galahad in skill. So I'm pretty sure Reinhardt's blessing would give him the edge here.
the only reason I somewhat agree with you is because you left out the VN and games. Because VN/Game Sabers (there is way too many saber) existence can wipe Re:Zero.
Re zero verse cosmology is as complex as Nasuverse. Nasu scales higher in cosmology but by statements Reinhard scales higher
except her Alive version.
That's infinite cap. Saber is baseline outer this video is cap too since nobody from another weaker verse can even harm saber since they have no mystic code but whatever if he gets one hit by Excalibur he won't return even with his blessings
What counts like a win if killing your enemy counts as a win then no one is winning this fight but if win just stopping my enemy then 50/50 if one of them use 2 brain cells and just grabs the other person throws them to sun because even if you can heal you will have some problem trying to over come the gravity of the sun
Saber has light speed attacks in the visual novel and can move that fast as we'll this was stated by shirou in his battle between her with riders help
Saber vs Reinhard: *Legendary battle*
Muramasa Alter Ego if he fought Reinhard: Oh you're a buff boy? Too bad *Tsumukari Muramasa* *Proceeds to cut every bond with Od Laguna from Reinhard with a single strike *
Good video
A request though: who would win between a three way battle between Mahroraga , doomsday and Lostbelt 7 ORT?
Doomsday he wins no questions asked
I don’t know anything about Lostbelt 7 ORT but I’m gonna lean on Doomsday. The dude killed Superman and that guy is just insane with some of his comic feats
Lb ort negs due to the fact that at its weakest it destroy the connection to the throne of heroes after it assimilated the servants and create its own throne and create a grand system to itself that is beyond concept and laws seeing even at its weakest the laws of the planet doesnt apply to him
Hahaha please lookup ORT would you?
okay so I'll keep it simple ORT is an ultimate one representing the oort cloud as it's avatar as it's avatar it can always respawn from there on the off chance it's defeated, in a nutshell some of it's abilities are it's crystal valley that allows it to change the laws of the world to fit it's own like how it changed the entire north america into its world with it's own trees of emptiness, it has a stellar class sprit origin which means it can output enough energy to match stars, it can perfectly analyse and replicate the abilities of anything it absorbs or kills gaining its abilities, seen as when Chaldea attacked it simply devoured all servants registered,an ultimate one the concept of death doesn't apply to it seen as how billions of years of fighting against the Lost Beast of Oblivion Camazotz who is simply unkillable because it took the ritualistic sacrifice of all living humans on his planet to give himself such immortality and said beast ripping out its heart only put it to sleep.
Heck it took Taloc Tecnothitlan (sorry I probably butchered that spelling) sacrificing her life using her noble phantasm to hold ORT down for a short amount of time, kingprotea Alter sacrificing her life to do something similar, Ereshgigal Alter and dismudid using 20 Gugulanna legs (which equates to enough power to kill sefar) to attack it only giving it a scratch, the final stand of the denos attacking it, obe of them had the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception mind you, chaldea using every canon servant in it's disposal to fight ORT while they were running for thier life,king Hassan teaching Benienma Alter Azrael and her using it on him to give ORT the concept of death, Beast 7 U-Olga Marie using her saint graph to power the human order ray proof (which is basically chaldea's weaponization of the divine construct Excalibur that they got in the British Lostbelt) while U-Olga Marie used her authority Tackyon Jail (that can freeze time) to stop its insane regeneration to finally destroy it's physical body, and it was nerfed as its still missing it's heart.
Then when we thought it was dead it used the data it got from devouring so many servants to HACK into the throne of heroes, created its own version of history where it existed for 100000 years that was acceptable to the counter force allowing it to be summoned as a servant but not just any servant since it's power was so vast and ORT changed the rules it's throne of heroes it got summoned as Grand Foreigner.
Plus since it's using its own body as a catalyst even if you kill it, it'll automatically summon it's self again so as long there's a single cell of it's body left and since that Lostbelt king is it's defied heart so as long she's also not killed it will endlessly respawn.
Zelritch also said that the current humanity can do nothing against a full powered version as it will simply copy all the abilities human order and the counter force can throw at it. Let me reiterate the man with the second true magic Kaleidoscope which can access the infinite energy from parallel worlds and imprisonment Alcatraz in his own maze and has defeated type moon also known as Brunstud, as in that Brunstud the ancestor of all dead apostles and dead apostle Ancestors is afraid of this thing, it's basically the Nasuverse's boogyman.
So with all that info (which is not all it's none by the way), will you reconsider your opinion a little?
Lb ort negs
shiranui hanten vs reinhard?
I normally really enjoy your videos, but this was just a terrible matchup. Servant Artoria is way weaker than when she was alive, and then you even used her weakest appearance as a Servant, which was in the Stay Night Trilogy. Her entire fighting style and abilities stem from having an infinite supply of mana with her dragon core, and you used the version where she works with so little mana she can't even consistently use mana bursts or Excalibur without collapsing.
So you take her arguably weakest appearance and then pit her up against the guy who has a hax for everything, and if he doesn't, he can just get it by asking.
I'm sorry, but this entire video is pointless if one character gets nerfed to kingdom come and the other gets every ability and feat to his name. It's so hopelessly unbalanced there isn't even any point in discussing it.
Every character in the nasuverse is always nerfed so why are you complaining, besides this is how she appears for most of the original story
Well same with Reinhard. Most of the people don't even know how broken he is as the author stated Reinhard is the same powerful without all of his blessings and the author also stated that Reinhard can beat Od laguna itself which is a outerversal entity and lastly yes Re zero verse cosmology is as complex as Nasuverse.
@@Exalter06That's how the verse is set up and well balanced and keeping themselves off from turning into a brainrot overpowered anime still why showe ignore the statements and feats showed throughout the series take true heroic spirit from straight out of thrones of heroes and she one shots
@@DeadApostleAncestor10 my point still stands, he decided to use the stay night version of Altria, theirs nothing wrong with that, besides the same heroic Spirit from the throne of heroes has never even appeared in the entire franchise and we only have word that true heroic spirits are more powerful.
@@Exalter06 Yes servant artoria is obviously inferior yet still can give him a hard time
Heroic spirit no doubts wips the whole verse
We just don't have statements the lostbelts already showed what a true heroic spirit is capable of their very existence is above space and time
There is one thing wrong and it's you calling her altria
Can't Excalibur just bypass all the blessings since most A+ nps are conceptual DMG/atks ?
What do you mean by bypass? Like they wouldn’t work if he got hit? Unless it passively negates concepts the only useful divine protection that would theoretically be shut off is First and Second Sight
Unless Saber destroyed Od Laguna or manipulates it, there isn’t really a way for her to cut Reinhard off from it (maybe the FGO or CCC Saber can do it)
@@BUR404 Unsealed saber Avalon can nuke the multiverse. what makes you think she cant destroy Od Laguna?
@@BUR404That’s the thing servents are able to destroy concepts and things attached to those concepts. The gods had every type of immortality in fact even if you cancel their immortality if you remember them they would come back and they were still killed by the high tier servants(including saber). The thing is can Reinhardt resurrect from such an attack? Is their any feats of Reinhardt coming back from extreme conceptual erasure. It would be a NLF to say that he would resurrect from Anos Venuznoda or Yogiri death hax.
It depends I guess, No way the base Saber from the trilogy can do everything you’re describing with her limitations
Unsealed full power Saber sure. But I’ve argued with people who say Fate is no where near as powerful as you’re describing so sometimes the fanbase and it’s detractors confuse me with the power scaling lol (not throwing shade at you or your points btw)
We don’t really know enough about Od Laguna to say for sure. For all we know it could be one sliver of an outerversal god thing idk
Saber stomps any version of saber absolutely stomps. Do you know her legend? Reinhardt can't react to nerfed saber she transcend an attack said to exceed to concept of speed in the anime how the fk is Reinhardt even landing a single sword swing? Also Excalibur one shots him and all his blessings due to higher tiering and the nature of its conceptual attacks
Exactly he had to lowball the ever living hell out of Saber
Wouldn't it make more sense for Saber to not be summoned as a Servant for a Holy Grail War but as a Grand Servant directly by The Counter Force itself, since in Fate that's what Servants are meant for, and the Holy Grail War is just Mages hijacking that process with the Servants being Inferior vessels? In that case Saber's Parameters and Her Prana Supply would be much higher.
Wouldn't change the outcome, just that Reinhard will actually have try to a bit harder this time
@@KamiSamaisPissedhe would get absolutely thrashed if she wasn’t in a servant container. He just doesn’t have the scaling to match up to anything beyond the original anime and VN
@@Shdbskskcbsn well too bad Reinhard doesn't have ridiculously dumb amount of countless forms/versions variants etc, and this poll is about the anime only, Re zero focuses more on story and character development instead of wanna be DC comics like fate
@@KamiSamaisPissedI can't even tell if that's a statement in good faith
Name?
Re:Zero
Fate Stay Night
Nah saber neg diffs because of cosmology (everyone planet in Nasuverse holds its own individual multiverse in it)
Nasu verse cosmology is probably high outer - boundless but featwise Reinhard was stated to be able to defeat od laguna itself which is a outerversal entity. The cosmology buff necessarily doesn't work until the character have shown more feat.
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idk saber like. . . 8d
W video but sadly both are yogiri victims
And? He's void shikj victim
@@trapking2009 yogiri one taps void shiki
@@trapking2009 nah, base Shiki with mystic eyes one shots that fodder
@@Exalter06 nah kid yogiri no diff the verse and void shiki
@@jameflores5258 "nah kid yogiri no diff the verse and void Shiki 🤓"
Can't artoria eat souls?
Both are resistant to soul manipulation it wouldn't matter tho
Love saber, she's my favourite female sword using character, sadly she's put against a hax character, Reinhard will win this without trying much
She bullys if it's her novel+game versions💀
@@FeatherineAlt36 can you tell me the biggest feat of the strongest version of saber?
@@KamiSamaisPissed u should read the novels because there are just to many broken sabers but fate is just a op verse anyway
@@FeatherineAlt36 you read them don't you? I'm just asking what's her biggest feat she has shown
@@KamiSamaisPissed dawg I gotta write 2 paragraphs to show her feats💀
hello
Before ya all yell at this video
Note how he had to use the WEAKEST Saber.
And even then, she put up quite a fight, even if Reinhard still won easily.
Makes me wonder if you used Proto Arthur instead though. His “weakest” form should still be above Saber I think?
Saber by cosmology/feats/power no concept of diff the verse
Re:zero cap to moon, high balling
@@flawless_69 slightly? Re:zero is lower than dragon ball 💀 and nasu scale way higher than comp dragon ball
@@flawless_69 in what world re zero is above uni? Or moon level?
@@flawless_69 this isn’t even outerversal. The outerversal scaling for rezero is way different
Rezero is Multiversal+ Cosmology wise but still way weaker than Nasuverse
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Unsealed excalibur in the hands of musashi killed beings that far transcend reinhards existence and excalibur is on par with rhogominiyad so that speaks to its power when unsealed
regardless of how haxed you are, you cant compensate for dimensional transcendence with hax, reinhard would die to unsealed excalbur
bro had to nerf artoria to her weakest version to make it fair🤣 my queen solos another fraud🙏🙏🙏
Gay af in my opinion
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Gg on god no cap
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