I joined the Navy after graduating from college, with honors and after having served in leadership roles, but I went enlisted. Some people would call me stupid for doing that (hell, my parents were very against me joining the military all together), but it felt right for me. When making life decisions do what's in your heart, not what anyone else "thinks" you should do.
Started off as an E-1, selected to attend STA-21 (BOOST) as an E-2. I really enjoyed seeing both sides as an Enlisted and as an Officer. God Bless the United States Navy.
Congrats. I was a navy recruiter for 4 years before retiring. One of the first things I always asked was why do you want to join? Are you doing it to impress others or to show others you can do it. Or because you want to make a difference? Then I would say no matter what me, your family, gf/bf say or think about it. Only you can live your life no one else.
Thank you for your service and your sacrifice in keeping our country safe. My late father was a Chief Petty Officer in Disbursing who was also a Vietnam vet and was once stationed on the CVN-65 USS Enterprise. He was so proud to be a sailor and was even Post Commander of our local American Legion (Post 858) in San Jose, Ca.
Chief Petty Officers are the conduit between officers and enlisted. Chiefs train junior officers and rely on their Leading Petty Officers to train the junior enlisted, having been in their position before. Any officer worth their salt will listen to the senior enlisted leaders placed under their purview. THAT is the key to success in the Wardroom.
What a great piece! Thanks! The thing about Officers is that, at the outset they know why they're there. For enlisted personnel, most have to learn why they're there after they arrive. Every organization which produces must have management and labor. The Navy is one of the best places to learn the importance of each job ... and how important these components are to each other in the execution of the mission. Want to be an Officer? Stay in school. Want to be an enlisted? Stay in school ... it's just a matter of degree (no pun intended - okay yeah - pun intended)!! :)
Don't worry about boot camp, that is a very short part of your career that you barely remember anyway. A year after being in, I remember only bits and pieces of boot camp. It's the time after A School that you remember.
Enlistedman is more about hands-on work and a lot more learning... officer is more paperwork, and they are obviously smart, but the enlistedmen get a lot of hands-on experience in their job.
***** HaHaHaHaha! You are quite familiar with the MILITARY program I see. This was obviously military propaganda done in such a way as to appeal to both high school and college grads and to recruit them for the Navy by showing a unified chain of command. Hooyah! HahaHaHa!
JimPowell speaking. I do agree with both the officer and enlisted. As a Navy Airdale who served in VF-154 the Black Knights fighter squadron during the Vietnam war, from 1967-1969. I had two wartime deployments to the Tonkin Gulf in the South China Sea aboard the USS Ranger. When you are out to sea snd in a wartime situation, your training and learning leadership is all important. As an enlisted man we worked 12 hours a day 7 days a week. Every squadron aboard did the same thing. We all had one objective and that was to launch and recover aircraft safely. You always wanted each pilot/driver and RIO to return safely after each mission, the pride you have in your squadron leads directly to your success. I can honestly tell you that the officers and enlisted were a close knit family. War brings the whole squadron along with other squadrons and ships company close. To a man from the skipper to an airman you do your job each and everyday.
I enlisted without a diploma or ged and got my ged after about a year in thanks to a great first class that helped me out. I have since started working on a nursing degree.
As a retired Navy Chaplain, it was a pleasure to serve my country and the fine men and women who do a job of the highest standard day in day out. "May the grace of God keep them safe and healthy and watch over the families to they return safely into arms of love ones" Amen✝️
If you join the Navy as enlisted remember it's all about timing and rate. Pick a good rate, and hopefully with that rate you get a good location and command to spend your first four years with. It's all about luck, timing, and your motivation.
Yes, officers can provide guidance and mentorship to enlisted, but often it is the other way around. One of the primary duties of a Chief Petty Officer is training junior officers.
I suggested to one of my students that he enlist in the Coast Guard or Navy. He was planning to go to college on a huge student loan that would've left him in debt for life. Here's what I told him: "You'll be a 19 year old in charge of ten million dollars worth of equipment, and the US government will trust you to handle it. I'm a teacher with a master's degree, and the dept of education won't even listen to me!"
Most people don't notice, the officer is a "mustang" as in Prior enlisted, these are usually the best officers. You can tell because his ESWS is Silver, Silver is the color of Enlisted awards, Gold is for officers, though there are very few exceptions but 90% Gold means officer
Noticed that, also he has a good conduct medal with at least one, maybe 2 bronze stars which means he was enlisted for at least 8 or at least 12 years before receiving his commission.
yep, been in since at least 31 Aug 1993, since he has the Kuwait Liberation Medal (Kuwait). 31 Aug 93 was the cut off for that medal, and you had to be in the region for at least one day to receive it.
Yes your so right i am a retired SFC. in the U.S. Army, prior enlisted officer are better they were on both sides. I had a few officers who were enlisted they were great officers.
My son’s brother in law just retired from the Navy. 30 year, Mustang Lt. CDR. I was in the Navy during Vietnam, new ship, plank owner. My first Department Head was a Mustang Lt. CDR, tough guy but fair. You might not die a stupid death under one of these guys. GMG3 USN
I Myself Did a very small stint in the Navy and I'm glad I experienced being able to travel to 7 or 8 countries at my first command aboard the USS HOIST ARS 40. IN 1992. I wouldn't have my babies if I didn't get stationed in Norfolk. At Little Creek Amphibious Base. Which as a civilian, I live a 20 minute drive from now in 2023. I just wasn't cut out for it. And got myself kicked out. But 31 years later. Id rather be an OFFICER. But the twist is that as ENLISTED, the more you make rank, you will NEVER OUTRANK a officer fresh from ANNAPOLIS even if you have been in the Navy 29 years, like a SENIOR CHIEF I knew. BUT....there is kinda an unwritten RULE, that EVEN an ADMIRAL that has done less time or just as much as a E-7-E-9 "LISTENS" to the ADVISE and DIRECTIONS of what a CHIEF, SENIOR, OR MASTER has to OFFER.
Uncle George was on the USS Medusa at Pearl. He was a Chief Petty Officer. People said they'd rather mess with an Ensign rather than mess with a Chief.
It depends too on the type of ship you’re on if sea duty. I was on a Gearing fram, 69’- 73’. We all got tight, I mean real tight at Yankee station during fire support ops, even tighter still doing surface raids up north. It starts with the skipper, and rolls downhill from there. As a snipe, looking up from the bilges of the hole, the chief was the lube oil that kept the machine (us) running, getting what we needed to do our job when we needed it. The officers were keepers too, when you can smell each other’s sweat, something magical happens- brotherhood, with no loss of respect either. Now almost 50 years later, I don’t do my ship reunions any more, I don’t wanna know who died last year and what from, that’s ruin my memories of a bunch of well trained hot dogs who kept their sh*t wired tight.
In the past few years its become alot tougher to get a bilet into OCS. Alot of guys especially the ones that want the SEAL challenge contract and dont get into OCS go the enlisted route so that they get their chance at BUD/S. For college graduates that are thinking about joining the Navy under the SEAL challenge contract their best bet is to talk to your recruiter and hook up with a SEAL motivator who will be a retired high ranking officer who will give you a recommendation and help your app.
And right you are. I worked for a CWO who later made JG. Then I worked a LCDR who was the Flag Secretary for CINCPACFLT. Both were fine Officers. The only issue I had with the CWO is that he would not let me take his daughter out. And believe it or not both of the CINCPACLT admirals were really nice guys.
It's only a joke if you treat it that way. But you're right in that Sailors don't have the PT that the Army and Marines do. They work 24/7. It isn't an easy or safe life. And don't knock Sailors' toughness. Sailors are tough as nails, pot belly and all. BM2/USN 1984-1988. Don't waste your time hating the Navy. In life, do the best you can wherever you are. I can almost guarentee that in 20 yrs., if you work hard, you will be proud. If you have a FTN attitude, that'll be your life.
Honestly I think that going enlisted first is the best option to get a hold of the job before you actually go out as a leader. Just my opinion. Future Sailor Sanders, Navy Air Rescue Swimmer.
Yes, you are eligible to switch to any branch of the military once you are in Rufus, that includes state-militia military National Guard/etc. Also since you are enlisted already, you don't have to worry about age regulations or waivers. If you want to be a MC officer you put in a packet with that branch.
When did PO1's start wearing khaki uniforms? When I was in the Navy I was told the difference between enlisted men and officers is the enlisted guys knew who their parents were.
I agree with Bob and also think if you can't make it in the Navy, you can't make it anywhere. It's all laid out: What you need to do in your job skills, basic time management, a little imagination, a little initiative, a little tenacity. I've worked with the other branches and their enlisted personnel are just task completers. In the Navy, I've found leaders at all levels. It's an environment that demands flexibility and drive. If you don't have that, you are very welcome to fail on the outside.
It would be nice if they did stick to the core values. Just get it done! This is what you'll hear when it is inconvenient to follow the rules and regulations. The Navy wants operators not technicians. When equipment breaks in the new Navy, they will send for a contractor to come and fix it.
i served on the USS.OKLAHOMA CITY,CG-5,7TH FLEET FLAG SHIP,FAR EAST/ASIA TOUR.THE LAST CREW.PLANK-OWNER.WE WERE REPLACED BY USS.BLUE RIDGE,OUT OF YOKOUSKA,JAPAN.HAD FUN.GO-NAVY.
This is true. But money is not everything. Sometimes you have to go down the path which you feel a calling for and that may or may not involve making more money. But enlisted salary is pretty good, especially when you advance a few paygrades and get several years in service.
The officer/enlisted concept is a hold over from feudal days of lords and vassals. Everyone, officers and enlisted should start at the same level and let the leaders rise to the top. I was USAF enlisted for four years, only met one officer who had SAT scores higher than mine and he was USAFA. I didn't have the money for college, at the time you could be drafted if you were not in school, my folks were not inclined to help me so in I went. The idea that you have to have a college degree to be an officer is a come and go thing. In WW2 it was relaxed but now it is a requirement for membership in the club. I had a commercial pilot certificate before I had a 4 year degree. A degree does not mean you have the chops to be successful in flight school but again, a requirement for membership in the O club.
If you really want to know what the relationship is like between officers and enlisted in the Navy just look at every branch. Marine officers are called marines, Army officers are called soldiers, Air Force officers are called Airman, then you have Navy Officers who are not sailors they are Naval Officers. In other words there is a much larger class separation between the enlisted and the officer community in the Navy compared to the other branches.
Mutual respect.. some officers I would take a bullet for, some I would push in front of one. FYI, if you complete OCS, give enlisted a great leeway and be mindful. Your life will be in their hands at some point.
@rishi pael one good example is the chow hall. In an AF chow hall you may see assorted ranks at a table, E6 setting with E2 or E8 with a table with E5 and E4. In a navy Chow hall E7 and above have their own area. And I have had AF and Army officers come and sit with me at the golf club and other all rank areas. Never a Navy officer.
@KillerBeeKiller Yeah, I didn't mean literally chasing a ghost, more like, always in the shadow of greatness--if you know what I mean. It is such an iconic ship, I couldn't imagine serving on her. Last I saw her I believe she was docked near Newport. Thanks for sharing your experiences on her and thank you for your service. Fair winds and following seas.
I'm pretty sure that as long as it doesn't interfere with anything big, they'd let you through. But, talk to a recruiter first to see what they can do. Maybe they can waver it.
Must have been a very large change in Officer's attitude since I served, I intended to make a career or the Navy until one inspection when we were moved to the main dock at Pearl, in view of workers and tourist , We were required to drop our uniform pants and show that we were wearing issue underwear and that name an serial number was properly stenciled.. The real reason was to show the Officers authority over us and humiliate the enlisted crew. We wee treated like dirt by most of the officers who were in my opinion just pampered passengers. There were exceptions , our second in command was great, the flying officers treated enlisted far better that the sea officers.
xgi36 if this was the case those in command would be severely punished. The disdain towards officers is unwarranted and is like nothing I have ever experienced.
i think enlisted is a lot more skill and work for certain things...but for example only officers can become pilots...so thats why im working my ass off to get into the naval academy
I realize this isn't always the situation but these two men seem completely equal. Each one has some decent respect for each other. Even as different jobs and pay grades.
Just some ideas for you. Start to train your body. Calisthenics, running and stretching. You will need to be physically fit for recruit training. Study and practice for the ASVAB tests. The higher your scores on your entry tests the better your choices for your rating. Start to think about what you would like to do in the Navy (or the military in general). Take an aptitude test and use it as part of your planning. Remember even if you make a career of the Navy at some point you will retire. If you become a aircraft mechanic or jet engine mechanic you have your pick of jobs in that field after the Navy. Same with computers, programmers, electronics technician and so forth. Young men like to say I want to be a SEAL but very, very, very few make it and just like being an infantryman in the Marine Corps, there are not a lot of jobs that you are trained to do in civilian life. The Navy and all the military forces can be a life changing experience that can and will make a better person out of you. Ignore those who had a negative experience. It will largely be their own fault. My father spent eight years in the Navy during WW II and ended up working for a Naval Ordinance Test Station working on the early Polaris missile program. I spent six years in the Marines with a tour in Vietnam. After Vietnam I became involved with computers at my next duty station which led to a lifelong career in computer programming and engineering. Remember that the Navy and the Marine Corps are both part of the Department of the Navy. We poke fun at each other but at the end of the day, the same guy signs our paychecks. The better prepared you are for your Navy career the better off you will be. Bottom line is go talk to the local Navy recruiter. You can do that long before you are even old enough to enlist. Get their advice on the things you need to do to prepare for your enlistment. Good luck.
Good grief. You've been out a LONG time. Actually, the uniform is not the same as E-7 and above. They have dark pants and a khaki shirt that is slightly different from the ones you remember. Basically, they look like something like Marine Corps uniforms. I was enlisted from 93-98. In boot camp i was issued dungarees, working whites, dress whites, working blues and dress blues. And there was only ONE hat for everything. I got a stack of 5 dixie cups that I had to stencil with my name in the back.
The officer shown in the interview is a Lt. Commander wearing a gold Oak Leaf insignia and it is equivalent to Major in Army, Marines and Air Force. He’s not a Lt. Col, as this rank is not used in the naval service (Navy and Coast Guard). The equivalent though is Commander.
No, he didn't. A Lieutenant Colonel is an officer in the Army, Air Force or Marines (not Navy) of the rank of O-5. He wears a silver oak leaf. The equivalent rank in the Navy is Commander. A Lieutenant Commander is one step below that. He wears a gold oak leaf. His equivalent rank in the other branches is Major (O-4). Yes. Silver is HIGHER than gold in rank insignia.
@UnitedWeStandUSA1 you might get the job u want u may also apply to become an officer by u having a 4 year college degree u could find out once u go to classifications in bootcamp cuz they do allow people to chose what job u want unless if ur undesignated then u gotta stay that way till a year our two
I retired from the navy Seabees after 22 yrs of service.in my time.E-7 thru E-9. kept to them selves as did the officers.no frating at all.i retired 1986
I'm 27, prior service (USAF 4 years) and I'm on the verge of joining the reserves. My degree is BS Business -Admin and I was wondering what the likelihood of getting a full time slot is. The recruiter I spoke with told me that they pick a job for based on my degree. What process will be looking at for joining the reserves?
+Rocky James You can talk to someone about wanting to join the Navy right away by using our Live Chat on Navy.com. Here's a link to it: www.navy.com/chat.html This will give you the chance to ask a Navy expert questions about careers
David Macdonald , same here, but it did show his E-6 stripes on his collar in Brown kaks!. Talk about collateral duties, the had me on all of them in my division. Training po. Damage control po., Human Relations po. Training records, muster reports ect.. I enjoyed it while I was there! Proud to be stationed on the Big "E" !
@thunderstrom81 It is better that you know how to swim or you will be in remedial swim every day until you pass. Ask a recruiter about the PT asst job. As far as I know, only Army offers that.
@KillerBeeKiller While I agree, and I could have quald for OCS, I have never met a more talented and great group of people as I did while in the barracks.. I also would not go back and change it. PoV.
@TheOdhisattva Yep. Army infantry...of course. That is why the Navy and the Marines had to land in the desert to protect the Army from the bad guys. How bad must it be that sailors have to protect land lubbers on the land?
I'm interested in pursuing a career in nursing but want to join the Navy, i'm currently halfway through my bachelors and was wondering as a Navy Nurse will I be able to experience the ship life and travel or just be stationed on land. My University does not have JROTC, is there a way my education can be covered or would i have to take out a loan?
+Randy Le Navy Nurses are usually stationed at a Naval Hospital for their first tour but do have the opportunity to be attached to ships, squadrons, or go overseas and be stationed at a base or hospital there. Also, since your university does not have NROTC, you should look up "Navy Nurse Candidate Program"
You do have the option of enlisting and becoming a hospital corpsman. You are then eligible for education benefits along with getting hands on experience. Corpsmen are scattered throughout the fleet, ashore and with the Marine Corps. You can continue your studies while serving and like I said, get lots of hands on. Once you graduate you can go for a commission as a Navy Nurse. Talk to your local recruiter and get as much information from him/her that you can get. The good thing about talking to the recruiter is they have all the latest info, tons of literature and it is free.
@KillerBeeKiller I mean, its such a huge part of Naval History, it overshadows the ships other accomplishments (and yes, I do list the fire and subsequent saving of the ship as a major accomplishment). How was it serving on her, did you always feel like you were chasing a ghost? Did you feel that your crew was always being measured up to impossible standards?
Interesting. The aviation boatswain's mate at the 2:55 mark... seven ribbons and aviation warfare wings and just an E3? Hmmm. A poster girl for Captain's Mast?
You would have to go through Lieutenant Junior Grade (LTJG), Lieutenant, and then finally achieve the ranking of Lieutenant Commander. To achieve Commander, you would have to be a Lieutenant Commander then be promoted to Commander.
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I joined the Navy after graduating from college, with honors and after having served in leadership roles, but I went enlisted. Some people would call me stupid for doing that (hell, my parents were very against me joining the military all together), but it felt right for me. When making life decisions do what's in your heart, not what anyone else "thinks" you should do.
Thank you. I needed this. Everyone keeps telling me to join as Officer but it doesn’t feel right!
@@Tupizzafav same. I was looking at Officer but I’m glad I’m going as enlisted. I’ll go as Officer later plus the process is long.
You didn’t go to college 😂
but those officer uniforms!!!😭😭😭
@@TreeBarkSide I always thought the enlisted dress uniforms from E-1-6 LOOKED DORKY.
Started off as an E-1, selected to attend STA-21 (BOOST) as an E-2. I really enjoyed seeing both sides as an Enlisted and as an Officer. God Bless the United States Navy.
It takes both to get the job done one is no better than the other
Former Enlisted that attended Officer School. Enjoyed both roles and I am proud to have served my country.
Given the title, I was hoping that this video was gonna be a fistfight between a chief and a captain
Congrats. I was a navy recruiter for 4 years before retiring. One of the first things I always asked was why do you want to join? Are you doing it to impress others or to show others you can do it. Or because you want to make a difference? Then I would say no matter what me, your family, gf/bf say or think about it. Only you can live your life no one else.
My dad made Lt. CMDR (mustang) , he dropped out of high school to join in WWII, also served in Korea and Nam.
Dwight Brown your dads a badass!
Well, from one Mustang LCDR to another, tell him we appreciate his sacrifice.
Thank you for your service and your sacrifice in keeping our country safe. My late father was a Chief Petty Officer in Disbursing who was also a Vietnam vet and was once stationed on the CVN-65 USS Enterprise. He was so proud to be a sailor and was even Post Commander of our local American Legion (Post 858) in San Jose, Ca.
Chief Petty Officers are the conduit between officers and enlisted. Chiefs train junior officers and rely on their Leading Petty Officers to train the junior enlisted, having been in their position before. Any officer worth their salt will listen to the senior enlisted leaders placed under their purview. THAT is the key to success in the Wardroom.
That's the plan. Does it hold up? Nope
J.C. Allen with a strong Chief's mess, yes it does hold up...
Nicely said. My dad was a Chief Petty Officer. All my memories of him on the base as a kid was that he had the respect of everyone around.
@@Chumly409 facts! They are the CLOG in the pipeline!
@@PeteMcCorvey Apparently you were, or are a disgruntled person the failed to be promoted to chief. And it looks like there's a good reason why.
met a few navy men in NYC during memorial weekend, sweetest guys ever
What a great piece! Thanks! The thing about Officers is that, at the outset they know why they're there. For enlisted personnel, most have to learn why they're there after they arrive. Every organization which produces must have management and labor. The Navy is one of the best places to learn the importance of each job ... and how important these components are to each other in the execution of the mission. Want to be an Officer? Stay in school. Want to be an enlisted? Stay in school ... it's just a matter of degree (no pun intended - okay yeah - pun intended)!! :)
Don't worry about boot camp, that is a very short part of your career that you barely remember anyway. A year after being in, I remember only bits and pieces of boot camp. It's the time after A School that you remember.
An Enlisted man and an Officer getting together in a room... You don't see this every day!
*****
Why does the E know more than the O?
Enlistedman is more about hands-on work and a lot more learning... officer is more paperwork, and they are obviously smart, but the enlistedmen get a lot of hands-on experience in their job.
***** HaHaHaHaha! You are quite familiar with the MILITARY program I see. This was obviously military propaganda done in such a way as to appeal to both high school and college grads and to recruit them for the Navy by showing a unified chain of command. Hooyah! HahaHaHa!
Hooyah indeed. As a petty officer, I can tell you that the officer's paygrade is much better but the work is not as glamorous to me.
Mutually agreed!
JimPowell speaking.
I do agree with both the officer and enlisted. As a Navy Airdale who served in VF-154 the Black Knights fighter squadron during the Vietnam war, from 1967-1969. I had two wartime deployments to the Tonkin Gulf in the South China Sea aboard the USS Ranger. When you are out to sea snd in a wartime situation, your training and learning leadership is all important. As an enlisted man we worked 12 hours a day 7 days a week. Every squadron aboard did the same thing. We all had one objective and that was to launch and recover aircraft safely. You always wanted each pilot/driver and RIO to return safely after each mission, the pride you have in your squadron leads directly to your success. I can honestly tell you that the officers and enlisted were a close knit family. War brings the whole squadron along with other squadrons and ships company close. To a man from the skipper to an airman you do your job each and everyday.
I enlisted without a diploma or ged and got my ged after about a year in thanks to a great first class that helped me out. I have since started working on a nursing degree.
As a retired Navy Chaplain, it was a pleasure to serve my country and the fine men and women who do a job of the highest standard day in day out.
"May the grace of God keep them safe and healthy and watch over the families to they return safely into arms of love ones" Amen✝️
Thank you for your service, Chaplains are the best
Sir, what were your duties as a chaplain? I am very interested to join the chaplain program.
Thank you for your service Chaps.
I think you are fake and you are doing stolen valor. My opinion.
If you join the Navy as enlisted remember it's all about timing and rate. Pick a good rate, and hopefully with that rate you get a good location and command to spend your first four years with. It's all about luck, timing, and your motivation.
I just wanted to say that out of all the post yours is probably the most honest and realistic.
Yes, officers can provide guidance and mentorship to enlisted, but often it is the other way around. One of the primary duties of a Chief Petty Officer is training junior officers.
I suggested to one of my students that he enlist in the Coast Guard or Navy. He was planning to go to college on a huge student loan that would've left him in debt for life. Here's what I told him:
"You'll be a 19 year old in charge of ten million dollars worth of equipment, and the US government will trust you to handle it. I'm a teacher with a master's degree, and the dept of education won't even listen to me!"
MondoBeno well said 👍
Most people don't notice, the officer is a "mustang" as in Prior enlisted, these are usually the best officers. You can tell because his ESWS is Silver, Silver is the color of Enlisted awards, Gold is for officers, though there are very few exceptions but 90% Gold means officer
Noticed that, also he has a good conduct medal with at least one, maybe 2 bronze stars which means he was enlisted for at least 8 or at least 12 years before receiving his commission.
yep, been in since at least 31 Aug 1993, since he has the Kuwait Liberation Medal (Kuwait). 31 Aug 93 was the cut off for that medal, and you had to be in the region for at least one day to receive it.
Yes your so right i am a retired SFC. in the U.S. Army, prior enlisted officer are better they were on both sides. I had a few officers who were enlisted they were great officers.
My son’s brother in law just retired from the Navy. 30 year, Mustang Lt. CDR. I was in the Navy during Vietnam, new ship, plank owner. My first Department Head was a Mustang Lt. CDR, tough guy but fair. You might not die a stupid death under one of these guys. GMG3 USN
The best thing about Navy uniforms is you can tell a guy's entire life story if you know how to read it.
I Myself Did a very small stint in the Navy and I'm glad I experienced being able to travel to 7 or 8 countries at my first command aboard the USS HOIST ARS 40. IN 1992. I wouldn't have my babies if I didn't get stationed in Norfolk. At Little Creek Amphibious Base. Which as a civilian, I live a 20 minute drive from now in 2023. I just wasn't cut out for it. And got myself kicked out. But 31 years later. Id rather be an OFFICER. But the twist is that as ENLISTED, the more you make rank, you will NEVER OUTRANK a officer fresh from ANNAPOLIS even if you have been in the Navy 29 years, like a SENIOR CHIEF I knew. BUT....there is kinda an unwritten RULE, that EVEN an ADMIRAL that has done less time or just as much as a E-7-E-9 "LISTENS" to the ADVISE and DIRECTIONS of what a CHIEF, SENIOR, OR MASTER has to OFFER.
Congrats on your service. I bet you have some wonderful sea stories.
@@pussyjuice757 Yeah....the AMOUNT OF FOREIGN THICK and EXOTIC WOMEN I USED TO ""😂"" WITH! AND THE ALL NUDE BEACHES IN PORTUGAL.
Uncle George was on the USS Medusa at Pearl. He was a Chief Petty Officer. People said they'd rather mess with an Ensign rather than mess with a Chief.
It depends too on the type of ship you’re on if sea duty. I was on a Gearing fram, 69’- 73’. We all got tight, I mean real tight at Yankee station during fire support ops, even tighter still doing surface raids up north. It starts with the skipper, and rolls downhill from there. As a snipe, looking up from the bilges of the hole, the chief was the lube oil that kept the machine (us) running, getting what we needed to do our job when we needed it. The officers were keepers too, when you can smell each other’s sweat, something magical happens- brotherhood, with no loss of respect either. Now almost 50 years later, I don’t do my ship reunions any more, I don’t wanna know who died last year and what from, that’s ruin my memories of a bunch of well trained hot dogs who kept their sh*t wired tight.
Honor Courage and Commitment. Know your people, time management, and leadership/mentorship. I am a proud Navy veteran. God bless the Navy.
In the past few years its become alot tougher to get a bilet into OCS. Alot of guys especially the ones that want the SEAL challenge contract and dont get into OCS go the enlisted route so that they get their chance at BUD/S. For college graduates that are thinking about joining the Navy under the SEAL challenge contract their best bet is to talk to your recruiter and hook up with a SEAL motivator who will be a retired high ranking officer who will give you a recommendation and help your app.
A lot of you guys are saying enlisted is "better" and what not. One thing is for sure officers get paid WAY more than enlisted ever will.
And right you are. I worked for a CWO who later made JG. Then I worked a LCDR who was the Flag Secretary for CINCPACFLT. Both were fine Officers. The only issue I had with the CWO is that he would not let me take his daughter out. And believe it or not both of the CINCPACLT admirals were really nice guys.
It's only a joke if you treat it that way. But you're right in that Sailors don't have the PT that the Army and Marines do. They work 24/7. It isn't an easy or safe life. And don't knock Sailors' toughness. Sailors are tough as nails, pot belly and all. BM2/USN 1984-1988. Don't waste your time hating the Navy. In life, do the best you can wherever you are. I can almost guarentee that in 20 yrs., if you work hard, you will be proud. If you have a FTN attitude, that'll be your life.
Honestly I think that going enlisted first is the best option to get a hold of the job before you actually go out as a leader. Just my opinion. Future Sailor Sanders, Navy Air Rescue Swimmer.
Yes, you are eligible to switch to any branch of the military once you are in Rufus, that includes state-militia military National Guard/etc. Also since you are enlisted already, you don't have to worry about age regulations or waivers.
If you want to be a MC officer you put in a packet with that branch.
When did PO1's start wearing khaki uniforms? When I was in the Navy I was told the difference between enlisted men and officers is the enlisted guys knew who their parents were.
Officers and chiefs wear khaki pants while e6 and below wear black pants
@@demonslayer5613 Go to :42 and look at the PO1 wearing Khaki. When I was in your statement was true but it must have changed looking at this video.
That first class in the 20 seconds was my SCPO at my last command 😂
you're damn right. This 6'3" 10 year navy vet i use to work with was loud and could lift anything. It was nuts. He had the biggest pot belly too.
I agree with Bob and also think if you can't make it in the Navy, you can't make it anywhere. It's all laid out: What you need to do in your job skills, basic time management, a little imagination, a little initiative, a little tenacity. I've worked with the other branches and their enlisted personnel are just task completers. In the Navy, I've found leaders at all levels. It's an environment that demands flexibility and drive. If you don't have that, you are very welcome to fail on the outside.
It would be nice if they did stick to the core values. Just get it done! This is what you'll hear when it is inconvenient to follow the rules and regulations. The Navy wants operators not technicians. When equipment breaks in the new Navy, they will send for a contractor to come and fix it.
i used to be stationed with both of those guys, cmdr morales is a pretty awesome dude, but i didn't really work too much with that other guy
@KillerBeeKiller
I have done both - a good officer is Mustang bred.
I'm joining for sure fuck yeah I'm getting ready I'm preparing for the asvab 👏
i served on the USS.OKLAHOMA CITY,CG-5,7TH FLEET FLAG SHIP,FAR EAST/ASIA TOUR.THE LAST CREW.PLANK-OWNER.WE WERE REPLACED BY USS.BLUE RIDGE,OUT OF YOKOUSKA,JAPAN.HAD FUN.GO-NAVY.
I went through boot camp and
OCS as an enlisted, but I'm not a Mustang since my first day in boot camp and the last day in OCS was only 8 months.
yes i wanna join the us navyhealth to pursuit my educations like being a general surgeon
This is a really inspiring video, but I'm still not sure which branch to choose.
This is true. But money is not everything. Sometimes you have to go down the path which you feel a calling for and that may or may not involve making more money. But enlisted salary is pretty good, especially when you advance a few paygrades and get several years in service.
The officer/enlisted concept is a hold over from feudal days of lords and vassals. Everyone, officers and enlisted should start at the same level and let the leaders rise to the top. I was USAF enlisted for four years, only met one officer who had SAT scores higher than mine and he was USAFA. I didn't have the money for college, at the time you could be drafted if you were not in school, my folks were not inclined to help me so in I went. The idea that you have to have a college degree to be an officer is a come and go thing. In WW2 it was relaxed but now it is a requirement for membership in the club. I had a commercial pilot certificate before I had a 4 year degree. A degree does not mean you have the chops to be successful in flight school but again, a requirement for membership in the O club.
Do you want an experience or do you want a real career. It's as simple as that.
MOST EXCELLENT JUDGEMENTS.
If you really want to know what the relationship is like between officers and enlisted in the Navy just look at every branch. Marine officers are called marines, Army officers are called soldiers, Air Force officers are called Airman, then you have Navy Officers who are not sailors they are Naval Officers. In other words there is a much larger class separation between the enlisted and the officer community in the Navy compared to the other branches.
Im going for enlisted i cant wait to get in!!
ReZKaTT1 You still excited lol
ReZKaTT1 we need an update
Mutual respect.. some officers I would take a bullet for, some I would push in front of one. FYI, if you complete OCS, give enlisted a great leeway and be mindful. Your life will be in their hands at some point.
@america's navy, background song at 2:21, sounds nice :D
You, wise sir, are a great role model.
The navy is the most rank conscious service! I served 25 years, air force and army, then worked as a DoD civil servant, GM13.
@rishi pael one good example is the chow hall. In an AF chow hall you may see assorted ranks at a table, E6 setting with E2 or E8 with a table with E5 and E4. In a navy Chow hall E7 and above have their own area. And I have had AF and Army officers come and sit with me at the golf club and other all rank areas. Never a Navy officer.
@@terrydouglas5008 It is what it is hun. Get over yourself.
@KillerBeeKiller Yeah, I didn't mean literally chasing a ghost, more like, always in the shadow of greatness--if you know what I mean. It is such an iconic ship, I couldn't imagine serving on her. Last I saw her I believe she was docked near Newport.
Thanks for sharing your experiences on her and thank you for your service. Fair winds and following seas.
I'm pretty sure that as long as it doesn't interfere with anything big, they'd let you through. But, talk to a recruiter first to see what they can do. Maybe they can waver it.
I finished rookie camp couple weeks ago. lot of fires going on. hope I get sent out.
Must have been a very large change in Officer's attitude since I served, I intended to make a career or the Navy until one inspection when we were moved to the main dock at Pearl, in view of workers and tourist , We were required to drop our uniform pants and show that we were wearing issue underwear and that name an serial number was properly stenciled.. The real reason was to show the Officers authority over us and humiliate the enlisted crew. We wee treated like dirt by most of the officers who were in my opinion just pampered passengers. There were exceptions , our second in command was great, the flying officers treated enlisted far better that the sea officers.
J. Kingsmith it’s called treating people like human beings
xgi36 if this was the case those in command would be severely punished. The disdain towards officers is unwarranted and is like nothing I have ever experienced.
If that happened today, I'm pretty sure a formal complaint would have been raised.
I will be a navy officer one day. I just need alot of exercise to achieve my dream.
Awesome video!!
Enlisted-Galley with a good tray
Officer-ward room with a plate
All that needs to be said.
Excellent video guys! Very informative!
i think enlisted is a lot more skill and work for certain things...but for example only officers can become pilots...so thats why im working my ass off to get into the naval academy
I realize this isn't always the situation but these two men seem completely equal. Each one has some decent respect for each other. Even as different jobs and pay grades.
Very well said , and very good recomendation. OSC ( ESWS ) USN Ret
Were you an A school Instructor in the 90s? I was there 1989-1992 & 1996-1999
I'm joining soon when I'm 17 years old but I'm 15 now but I'm trying best to join so get ready
+Ali Ali Same
+Oumar Traore good luck guys. Any good news yet? Have you taken the ASVAB
Isaiah Thomas No,joining in a few years.
Just some ideas for you. Start to train your body. Calisthenics, running and stretching. You will need to be physically fit for recruit training. Study and practice for the ASVAB tests. The higher your scores on your entry tests the better your choices for your rating. Start to think about what you would like to do in the Navy (or the military in general). Take an aptitude test and use it as part of your planning. Remember even if you make a career of the Navy at some point you will retire. If you become a aircraft mechanic or jet engine mechanic you have your pick of jobs in that field after the Navy. Same with computers, programmers, electronics technician and so forth. Young men like to say I want to be a SEAL but very, very, very few make it and just like being an infantryman in the Marine Corps, there are not a lot of jobs that you are trained to do in civilian life.
The Navy and all the military forces can be a life changing experience that can and will make a better person out of you. Ignore those who had a negative experience. It will largely be their own fault. My father spent eight years in the Navy during WW II and ended up working for a Naval Ordinance Test Station working on the early Polaris missile program. I spent six years in the Marines with a tour in Vietnam. After Vietnam I became involved with computers at my next duty station which led to a lifelong career in computer programming and engineering. Remember that the Navy and the Marine Corps are both part of the Department of the Navy. We poke fun at each other but at the end of the day, the same guy signs our paychecks. The better prepared you are for your Navy career the better off you will be. Bottom line is go talk to the local Navy recruiter. You can do that long before you are even old enough to enlist. Get their advice on the things you need to do to prepare for your enlistment. Good luck.
So you're 17 now? 😂
I was in the Navy from 85-91 . In this video there is a first class petty officer in khakis . Has something changed ?????????
They switched like 10 years ago. They traded the Johnny Cashs and Summer Whites for "peanut butters" (khaki tops and black slacks".
Good grief. You've been out a LONG time. Actually, the uniform is not the same as E-7 and above. They have dark pants and a khaki shirt that is slightly different from the ones you remember. Basically, they look like something like Marine Corps uniforms.
I was enlisted from 93-98. In boot camp i was issued dungarees, working whites, dress whites, working blues and dress blues. And there was only ONE hat for everything. I got a stack of 5 dixie cups that I had to stencil with my name in the back.
Oh God, why is the algorithm recommending the navy to me...I gotta run to the forest!
HAHA, You want a salute, climb my fking bars and get it.. Greatest quote I ever heard from an enlisted marine.
Aye, thanks, I still have a while to go, but thanks for the heads up
So, did you do it?
I like how he said he was LT commander when he has the insignia of a LT colonel
because navy lol
The officer shown in the interview is a Lt. Commander wearing a gold Oak Leaf insignia and it is equivalent to Major in Army, Marines and Air Force.
He’s not a Lt. Col, as this rank is not used in the naval service (Navy and Coast Guard). The equivalent though is Commander.
No, he didn't. A Lieutenant Colonel is an officer in the Army, Air Force or Marines (not Navy) of the rank of O-5. He wears a silver oak leaf. The equivalent rank in the Navy is Commander. A Lieutenant Commander is one step below that. He wears a gold oak leaf. His equivalent rank in the other branches is Major (O-4).
Yes. Silver is HIGHER than gold in rank insignia.
I never once wondered why a judge could give people a choice of joining the army or going to jail. Nuff said.
Excellent!
(Salute) from the U.S. Marine Corps
@UnitedWeStandUSA1 you might get the job u want u may also apply to become an officer by u having a 4 year college degree u could find out once u go to classifications in bootcamp cuz they do allow people to chose what job u want unless if ur undesignated then u gotta stay that way till a year our two
it really varies because im in the submarine force and everyone is really laid back with everyone else wherelse in the surface fleet its more strict
Mr. Deering, if you go to the Naval Academy then you are commissioned as an officer upon graduation.
I retired from the navy Seabees after 22 yrs of service.in my time.E-7 thru E-9. kept to them selves as did the officers.no frating at all.i retired 1986
I'm 27, prior service (USAF 4 years) and I'm on the verge of joining the reserves. My degree is BS Business -Admin and I was wondering what the likelihood of getting a full time slot is. The recruiter I spoke with told me that they pick a job for based on my degree. What process will be looking at for joining the reserves?
+Rocky James You can talk to someone about wanting to join the Navy right away by using our Live Chat on Navy.com. Here's a link to it: www.navy.com/chat.html This will give you the chance to ask a Navy expert questions about careers
its the naval service uniform, its a khaki top and black pants e1-e6 wears them
Well spoken men!!!
Desroches was on my ship 2014 time frame as a chief
since when did petty officers wear khakis? I thought this was reserved for Chief Petty Officer (E7) or above.
Service Uniform for e6 and below is khaki top, black trousers. E7+ is khaki everywhere.
David Macdonald , same here, but it did show his E-6 stripes on his collar in Brown kaks!. Talk about collateral duties, the had me on all of them in my division. Training po. Damage control po., Human Relations po. Training records, muster reports ect.. I enjoyed it while I was there! Proud to be stationed on the Big "E" !
@@suckithardnfast khaki top and black trousers? what type of uniform is that? not in my day!!!
@thunderstrom81 It is better that you know how to swim or you will be in remedial swim every day until you pass. Ask a recruiter about the PT asst job. As far as I know, only Army offers that.
@KillerBeeKiller While I agree, and I could have quald for OCS, I have never met a more talented and great group of people as I did while in the barracks.. I also would not go back and change it. PoV.
@thunderstrom81 they will teach you how to swim but it helps alot if you learn to swim early.
You should have used a Chief Petty Officer in this film short.
@TheOdhisattva Yep. Army infantry...of course. That is why the Navy and the Marines had to land in the desert to protect the Army from the bad guys. How bad must it be that sailors have to protect land lubbers on the land?
I'm interested in pursuing a career in nursing but want to join the Navy, i'm currently halfway through my bachelors and was wondering as a Navy Nurse will I be able to experience the ship life and travel or just be stationed on land. My University does not have JROTC, is there a way my education can be covered or would i have to take out a loan?
+Randy Le Navy Nurses are usually stationed at a Naval Hospital for their first tour but do have the opportunity to be attached to ships, squadrons, or go overseas and be stationed at a base or hospital there. Also, since your university does not have NROTC, you should look up "Navy Nurse Candidate Program"
You do have the option of enlisting and becoming a hospital corpsman. You are then eligible for education benefits along with getting hands on experience. Corpsmen are scattered throughout the fleet, ashore and with the Marine Corps. You can continue your studies while serving and like I said, get lots of hands on. Once you graduate you can go for a commission as a Navy Nurse. Talk to your local recruiter and get as much information from him/her that you can get. The good thing about talking to the recruiter is they have all the latest info, tons of literature and it is free.
Randy Le 👌🏼
Sure😎 go 4 it
wilhard45 Noooo, never enlisted.
@KillerBeeKiller I mean, its such a huge part of Naval History, it overshadows the ships other accomplishments (and yes, I do list the fire and subsequent saving of the ship as a major accomplishment). How was it serving on her, did you always feel like you were chasing a ghost? Did you feel that your crew was always being measured up to impossible standards?
@NecroAsphyxia Having a pool during my youth was a great benefit, except swim qual3.. nuts, I never hated water as much as that period in training.
Every time I look at the comments now on any UA-cam video there is always a big debate that ends with abuse. Seriously get over yourself !
Naval officers aren't leaders, they are people who are good at math. That's what is wrong with the officer corps in the navy now a days.
You're a moron!
*s/ Retired 24 Year US Navy Submariner - USNA Class of 1965*
Interesting. The aviation boatswain's mate at the 2:55 mark... seven ribbons and aviation warfare wings and just an E3? Hmmm. A poster girl for Captain's Mast?
Having been both enlisted and officer, I assure you that you made an enormous mistake.
Being enlisted just....sucks....compared to being an officer.
So how would u become a lieutenant commander or commander on SWO
You would have to go through Lieutenant Junior Grade (LTJG), Lieutenant, and then finally achieve the ranking of Lieutenant Commander. To achieve Commander, you would have to be a Lieutenant Commander then be promoted to Commander.
@maximilian999 Hell yeah, hell yeah! I'm taking it you're going AIRR too. When's your ship date?
Enlisted for Life!
Oldest comment I ever found
Um um um, how do you get a SEAL contract as a officer, sorry for my grammar I am a eight year old swimmer and runner.
+RaccoonArtz Through NROTC or the Academy
+America's Navy thanks I can't wait to join the NAVAL ACADEMY and go to navy and do bud/s and pass I'm training for it!
+America's Navy Direct commission as well.
😂😂😂 good luck with that, warrior.
RaccoonArtz dude shut the f****** with you are not cool
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The E-6 couldn’t kiss up enough to !
You noticed that too...lmao
.....and the Chief keeps both of these guys out of harm's way.