❤️😇❤️👍 In the Quran, Surah Baqara (Chapter of the Cow), Ayah (verse) 255 is very beautiful and special : Allah, there is no god except He اللّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him لاَ تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلاَ نَوْمٌ To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ Who is he that shall intercede with Him except by His permission مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِنْدَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ He knows what will be before their hands and what was behind them يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will وَلاَ يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلاَّ بِمَا شَاء His Seat embraces the heavens and the earth وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them وَلاَ يَؤُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا And He is the Most High, the Most Great وَهُوَ الْعَلِيُّ الْعَظِيمُ 😇❤️😇❤️😇❤️😇
@@rafalplackowski5602 perfect set up for what, to ride a bike? Theres no such thing as a perfect set up. Even if you did find what you’re looking for, you’re still going to want to upgrade something on it.
@@rafalplackowski5602 then you go buy a cheap beginner bike. Raleigh do great affordable jump bikes that are not heavy , and if used to jump don’t last more than a few months... hate to be the 52 year old woman biker that’s ridden since muddy fox first imported from America to northern England in 1988 , my first downhill was a muddy fox, no suspension but did have incredible gears and was one of the first women to do downhill in U.K.
@@harrylu2845SR and Manitou Are slowly making a comeback which superior products to RS and Fox. Nobody beats Ohlins yet, but thats a given for a company thats been doing suspension since 1976.
Looks like boxxer is set to really low compression, it just blasts through 200mm of travel and bottoms out pretty hard (you can even see how the lowers deflect a bit). While fox is better setup with more compression and it softens the bottom out). The thing is, the riders dont have the option to change the compression/rebound settings during the race, only at the beginning. So if the course is flat and there is one big gap at the end of it, they will most likely keep the compression at minimum anyways. While in freeride i personally would add some clicks to the compression specifically to hit that jump, so the forks dont suffer harsh bottom out
The rockshox is set up more appropriately here imo. It uses all travel and has a soft bottom-out, followed by a smooth rebound and recovery. The fox bottoms out hard enough that there's an audible click. Then rebounds and continues to bounce for a while.
Yeah, the fox also seemed to respond better to surface changes BUT it's not really fair for two reasons: the rockshoxx boxxer on the clip has the regular black bars and not the high end ones, unlike the fox wich has the kashima finish, plus both riders will use different tuned and have different body weight.
@@Ferrari255GTO Kashima coating makes 0 difference from a riders perspective it's just marketing, bushing precision has a much much bigger effect on performance
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 yeah, just like using the right oil will makes the fork run better than it would with olive oil, if any part has a problem clearly it will be more notizable than the slight improvement of the coating.
I think the Fox gave less of a impact to the rider but then we’d have to look into how strong each rider was at the time. Pretty sure there are better tests for suspension forks 👊🙃
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677the fox is 2mm wider so a little less deflection. The boxxer looked better set up, it didn't bottom out quite as hard as the Fox
@@aaronoconnor606 How hard it bottomed was entirely the rider. Bodhi landed quite front heavy causing the shock to take the brunt of the impact whereas Jackson landed evenly front to rear so the fork took closer to half if not more of the impact.
As someone who owns both on the same bike (yes is have two downhill bikes ) both are amazing the fox is slightly less stiff of the top and feels more supportive the boxxer is still incredibly soft off the top and does dive through travel but never bottoms out it truly feels like endless travel while the fox does send some more feed back to the riders hands the boxxer is the kind of fork you never worry about just set it once and forget it exists until it saves your life in my opinion there both amazing and it depends on what you like as a rider for me the fox feels more tuned and you get as much as you give in the sense that if you tune it right it will be the best fork ever but tune it wrong and you’ll hate it the boxxer is just soo nice you set the air pressure and leave it and it performs amazingly well but as someone who can tune suspension very well I now prefer my fox 40 but still love my boxxer so much
Ееееееее братка ты не путай. Просто ролик в котором 2 вилки с отличиями при дропе. А какие настройки у них степень сжатия, отсекок, преднагрузка, вот когда будут эти данные тогда и можно судить
I’ll take the SANTA CRUZ bike with the Fox Shox any day over the other bike. But I’m a little biased considering I’ve worked for both SANTA CRUZ bikes and for Fox Shox.
Different bikes different rear shocks its all about tuning and finding the happy medium between terrain rider and how well front works with the rear ans style or rear linkage and frames
Shimano/sram, 29/27.5, Xbox/playstation, iPhone/android etc etc people just love to pick a side and argue to the hilt. Both can be setup poorly, both can be setup well that’s all. People don’t service them enough anyway so lose most of the performance they say is superior to the next.
Pff I bought a rockshox pike last December mainly bc I understood their naming convention quicker and I'm building a silver bike. I don't really know shit about forks yet, haven't finished the bike because I ran out of money, haven't even been able to test it for the same reason(hope it did not arrive broken) but you can be damn sure I'm already ready to claim that rock shox is superior
What I see here is, the Boxxer rebounds and has the rider airborne right after impact. The Fox sets itself into the sag right after impact and keeps the traction where it's supposed to be. It does revert back to the tuning.
Nice slow-mo but it really depends on their own suspension settings but if there's few specific aspect that we can really compare like the cost effectiveness, maintenance and structural strenght etc. Rocshox boxxer all the way! especially for the general Rs suspension products.
Setup is obviously paramount but with that said, I like the fact that RS finally went to a 38mm chassis on the Boxxer after 12+ years on the 35mm platform.
If you want real marzocchi technology then go with DVO.. That's where their top engineers ended up. The Emerald is still superior to fox or rock shox dual crown forks.
I've ridden both and rock shox rides just as nice as fox imo but the problem with rockshox for me has just been maintenance. I feel like rockshox breaks too easy, I actually had a friend who's front fork blew out the side and squirted shock oil everywhere. Fox also has wayyy more adjustability so you can fine tune it for your riding style. Just my opinion and I might be biased since I currently ride fox so idk
Also two total different bike builds with different progressive rates and different rider weight ,sag, tokens lol. Both soaked up that hit nicely though.
It’s all about the settings boys
❤️😇❤️👍 In the Quran, Surah Baqara (Chapter of the Cow), Ayah (verse) 255 is very beautiful and special :
Allah, there is no god except He
اللّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ
the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists
الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ
Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him
لاَ تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلاَ نَوْمٌ
To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth
لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ
Who is he that shall intercede with Him except by His permission
مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِنْدَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ
He knows what will be before their hands and what was behind them
يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ
while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will
وَلاَ يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلاَّ بِمَا شَاء
His Seat embraces the heavens and the earth
وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ
and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them
وَلاَ يَؤُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا
And He is the Most High, the Most Great
وَهُوَ الْعَلِيُّ الْعَظِيمُ
😇❤️😇❤️😇❤️😇
@@IBRAHIM-FAS-City ya ok there
Couldn’t of said it better jake
Yeah
Guess u just answered my question!!🤙👌
All in the settings at this level. And most importantly what color matches your bike.
@@IBRAHIM-FAS-City i am god
No look how much more the 35mm stanchions flex
fox is really overpriced like £700 for fox 36 isn’t a good deal whereas £700 for rockshox zeb and lyrik is better but £1k+ they are all the same
💀
and what brand sponsors them
Damn the biggest difference is the color
Edit: thanks for the likes 😘
Look at the riders arms... the boxxer is much harsher on them
@@NOUS123ONE that’s technique and weight difference. The forks are the same bud.
@@Alex-xt9hn Ok then look at the hands lol.
Whats weight got to do with it? You think they run the same pressure?
@@NOUS123ONE Jackson is a much lighter rider than Reece so is landing with much less force
@@NOUS123ONE there's so many variables that could make what you said sound like complete bullshit
It all depends on how well tuned the fork is for the riders weight and terrain.
You don't tune a fork, you eat green beans with it.
@@ppham444 you don't eat green beans, you dance to a tune.
No shit 😂
So many different variables, rider weight, fork setup, rider body position, and landing.
You're right, but i want easy and don't wanna search for the perfect set up
90% aren't at the level where this effects us
@@rafalplackowski5602 perfect set up for what, to ride a bike? Theres no such thing as a perfect set up. Even if you did find what you’re looking for, you’re still going to want to upgrade something on it.
Don't forget color
@@rafalplackowski5602 then you go buy a cheap beginner bike. Raleigh do great affordable jump bikes that are not heavy , and if used to jump don’t last more than a few months... hate to be the 52 year old woman biker that’s ridden since muddy fox first imported from America to northern England in 1988 , my first downhill was a muddy fox, no suspension but did have incredible gears and was one of the first women to do downhill in U.K.
I like the part where nothing useful is shown...
Ah, so all of it then? 👍
😂
Entertainment is valuable...👍🏻
😂😂😂👏🏻👏🏻
Nah bruh the color is the most important part
Nothing drives engagement like a good ol’ fashion rivalry.
To improve the breed, send it racing 💪
Lol, I've got rockshox in the front, fox in the back
@@regulargreg business up front, party in the back
Fox Factory 38 Live Valve baby
Never let them know your next move
*SUNTOUR*
💀
I mean some high end suntour forks are actually quite good
Manitou Dorado is also pretty good with the new updates
@@harrylu2845SR and Manitou Are slowly making a comeback which superior products to RS and Fox. Nobody beats Ohlins yet, but thats a given for a company thats been doing suspension since 1976.
@@philheathslegalteam Ohlins forks are quite bad for MTB to be honest
Goddamn those race techs are wizards, the tires stuck to the ground like glue
Looks like boxxer is set to really low compression, it just blasts through 200mm of travel and bottoms out pretty hard (you can even see how the lowers deflect a bit). While fox is better setup with more compression and it softens the bottom out).
The thing is, the riders dont have the option to change the compression/rebound settings during the race, only at the beginning. So if the course is flat and there is one big gap at the end of it, they will most likely keep the compression at minimum anyways. While in freeride i personally would add some clicks to the compression specifically to hit that jump, so the forks dont suffer harsh bottom out
Now when can we start adjusting with buttons on our handlebars
The rockshox is set up more appropriately here imo. It uses all travel and has a soft bottom-out, followed by a smooth rebound and recovery. The fox bottoms out hard enough that there's an audible click. Then rebounds and continues to bounce for a while.
You haven’t got a clue how suspension. Settings work do you
@@Adam-vm8kp no u
Looks like the Boxxer flex’s at the crown and the Fox flexes at the bushing interface.
wow you have good eyes I just see rockshox bottoms out, not fox
Yeah, the fox also seemed to respond better to surface changes BUT it's not really fair for two reasons: the rockshoxx boxxer on the clip has the regular black bars and not the high end ones, unlike the fox wich has the kashima finish, plus both riders will use different tuned and have different body weight.
@@geemy9675 you must be blind. The fox totally bottomed out too
@@Ferrari255GTO Kashima coating makes 0 difference from a riders perspective it's just marketing, bushing precision has a much much bigger effect on performance
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 yeah, just like using the right oil will makes the fork run better than it would with olive oil, if any part has a problem clearly it will be more notizable than the slight improvement of the coating.
I think the Fox gave less of a impact to the rider but then we’d have to look into how strong each rider was at the time. Pretty sure there are better tests for suspension forks 👊🙃
When they're professionally tuned there's practically no difference
Only real difference at this level is stanchion diameter
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677the fox is 2mm wider so a little less deflection. The boxxer looked better set up, it didn't bottom out quite as hard as the Fox
@@aaronoconnor606 How hard it bottomed was entirely the rider. Bodhi landed quite front heavy causing the shock to take the brunt of the impact whereas Jackson landed evenly front to rear so the fork took closer to half if not more of the impact.
All depends on how u set them up, they are basically the same
Exactly!I searched for that comment.👍
Yesn't. If you look closely the RockShoxx flexes at the crown and is slightly less smooth, but with jumps like theese it's not that notizable.
Some manufacturers have problem with too much friction between bushings and stanchions
rock shox copium is strong hete
As someone who owns both on the same bike (yes is have two downhill bikes ) both are amazing the fox is slightly less stiff of the top and feels more supportive the boxxer is still incredibly soft off the top and does dive through travel but never bottoms out it truly feels like endless travel while the fox does send some more feed back to the riders hands the boxxer is the kind of fork you never worry about just set it once and forget it exists until it saves your life in my opinion there both amazing and it depends on what you like as a rider for me the fox feels more tuned and you get as much as you give in the sense that if you tune it right it will be the best fork ever but tune it wrong and you’ll hate it the boxxer is just soo nice you set the air pressure and leave it and it performs amazingly well but as someone who can tune suspension very well I now prefer my fox 40 but still love my boxxer so much
Wow! Useful comments from an experienced rider, almost thought the comment was sarcastic, this is the internet after all!🍺👍🇺🇸😎
LOS AMERICANOS
Ееееееее братка ты не путай. Просто ролик в котором 2 вилки с отличиями при дропе. А какие настройки у них степень сжатия, отсекок, преднагрузка, вот когда будут эти данные тогда и можно судить
first rider lands on the front wheel, so it takes a bigger impact, second one lands both wheel at the same time
Do you think that's because of different forks?
@@Dellvmnyam nope different riders
Stronger rebound on the Fox?
At this level of product the rebound is likely just a matter of preference and setting from the rider and his team.
just different settings
this is a world cup so it must be perfectly set up for the rider
*In that setting at this part of the track with the rider/team preferences* Stronger rebound on the Fox? That's what I meant.
The first rider (rockshox) had his weight over the front way more than the second rider (fox) who had their weight more to the rear!
I’ll take the SANTA CRUZ bike with the Fox Shox any day over the other bike.
But I’m a little biased considering I’ve worked for both SANTA CRUZ bikes and for Fox Shox.
Dorado has left the chat.
Dorados are legend and the new one is pretty sick and massive!
Dorados look cool but not in the same ball park as far as ride quality.
@@iansteward4708 I understand. You've never tried one.
Different bikes different rear shocks its all about tuning and finding the happy medium between terrain rider and how well front works with the rear ans style or rear linkage and frames
What up with the video sound it sounded like my Mtb spoke is hitting something 💀
The cowbells from spectators.
Cowbells...its a downhill thing
Guess You haven’t been to a downhill comp before?
Shimano/sram, 29/27.5, Xbox/playstation, iPhone/android etc etc people just love to pick a side and argue to the hilt. Both can be setup poorly, both can be setup well that’s all. People don’t service them enough anyway so lose most of the performance they say is superior to the next.
Pff I bought a rockshox pike last December mainly bc I understood their naming convention quicker and I'm building a silver bike. I don't really know shit about forks yet, haven't finished the bike because I ran out of money, haven't even been able to test it for the same reason(hope it did not arrive broken) but you can be damn sure I'm already ready to claim that rock shox is superior
So why would you be ready to claim it’s better then?
Rider and bike differences aside, looks like the 40 sticks to the ground better than the Boxxer after the landing.
Yes.
Esse esporte é um show aparte ❤
I am curious about the price difference too …
$10
全てはセッティング次第なんだけどFOXは高価すぎます。
You cant compare that way. The same rider, the same jump, the same setup. Done atleast 10 times than taking the best result of each. Then compering.
What I see here is, the Boxxer rebounds and has the rider airborne right after impact. The Fox sets itself into the sag right after impact and keeps the traction where it's supposed to be. It does revert back to the tuning.
I can't see the difference. It's because I don't have any of those 2. 😥
Lol me too
Todas duas são ótimas, não tem o que reclamar
Not a great deal in it to my eye, at the front. Maybe a rebound tweak to stop it bouncing off after impact ?
BOTH FORKS ARE WONDERFULL. I have a ROCK SHOX BOXXER
Santa cruz v10 though🤤🤤🤤
Nice slow-mo but it really depends on their own suspension settings but if there's few specific aspect that we can really compare like the cost effectiveness, maintenance and structural strenght etc. Rocshox boxxer all the way! especially for the general Rs suspension products.
Gotta love the soundtrack..!
The fox is setup for that hit. Nice job crew.
MO COWBELL BABY!!!!!
SNL reference? hehe
Cool colors make you go faster. It's science.
What about Marzocchi and Manitou 🤔
They know their place.
@@robinshoroscope 😂 😆
Wow! Slow rebound vs quick rebound!
Cant compare them in this vid they land in different ways lol
Been staring at this for a while, very nice upload 👍🍺😎
¡Rockshox forever !!
I like the slowed down cowbells
That Santa Cruz is 🔥
What a load of shart only comes down to personal setup!! Both awsome
Being bigger than almost every dh rider, the fox flex much less and hold a straight line in the rough better
The battle of the suspension! Now that Chevy and Dodge use both of these as their standard shock now. I wanna see those trucks react in baja
Nah the fox had more rebound
Rockshox looks better (in my opinion), fox has more adjustments, but they are both equal in performance.
Boxxer with 38mm would be 🤙
I thought the new ones were built on zeb lowers ?
magnificent 🤯🔥
Rockshox 🔥🔥🔥
Setup is obviously paramount but with that said, I like the fact that RS finally went to a 38mm chassis on the Boxxer after 12+ years on the 35mm platform.
A Fox parece ser mais firme.
Realmente, isso é quase imperceptível.
You fit the forks that sponsor you at this level. It’s as simple as that.
хахаха Знакомая ситуация, на пружинных колодках на дисковые тормозах в дождь особенно )))))
It's all preference. I've used both and liked both.
Rock shox 💯💯
That Trek is beautiful.
Marzochi better
Marzocchi Z series forks have fox internals.
If you want real marzocchi technology then go with DVO.. That's where their top engineers ended up. The Emerald is still superior to fox or rock shox dual crown forks.
Marzochi is owned by fox. Same internals.
FOX looks to ride out a bit smoother, softer, but the Rock Shox seem to stabilize quicker, more firm…
The boxxer loses every time. Even against two twigs and a rusty bolt
The only difference I'm seeing is the color and the suspension setting, the one riding the Fox 40 clearly just had higher rebound adjustments.
RockShox 🔥
How can you make a comparison when it's down to how you setup your shock
Who decided this should be in vertical format???
I blame tiktok
I've ridden both and rock shox rides just as nice as fox imo but the problem with rockshox for me has just been maintenance. I feel like rockshox breaks too easy, I actually had a friend who's front fork blew out the side and squirted shock oil everywhere. Fox also has wayyy more adjustability so you can fine tune it for your riding style. Just my opinion and I might be biased since I currently ride fox so idk
Rockshox gang
👇
That rebound on the fox 😂
Fox Brah❤
Very in-depth review
Alternative title: Correct setup vs absolute DOODOO setup
Which one is better?
That Kashima coating is the key 😍
What are some good setting for rockshocks
What’s this bike race called?
Downhill
Sorry, I am not that knowledgeable when it comes to these pretty serious suspension systems. How does this relate to the Ford vs. Holden debate?
Is it coil or air
The difference is the Fox's bushes will be stuffed by the end of the year, but the Marzocchi from 2005 will be still good.
They both bottomed out. First one looked like it bottomed out harder. We're both set correctly for the rider?
Wow stunning bikemountain
Are the forks dialed in, or not?
Both look good to me. Settings and rider preference. Everything about set up is a give and take.
Fox ❤
Had a RS Lyrik and now a Fox 36 Factory on the same Santa Cruz Nomad, both feels equally as good.
Zależy jaki kierowca i modele amortyzatorow oraz rama roweru i ciśnienie w dampeze Oraz widelcu 😮
Both great shocks, I couldn't tell a difference between the two
Also two total different bike builds with different progressive rates and different rider weight ,sag, tokens lol. Both soaked up that hit nicely though.
What type of bike is this?
Who is the first guy?
Which one was which, i like the first one much better?
Both dealt with the landing pretty well
Makes me miss my old 220ml rockshox bombers.
There was a difference?
Und welche ist besser?
Seems no difference at all but if I had a choice I would go with the Rockshox forks 👍🏼😁
Is that the spokes?