Elemental Monkeys: Pokémon’s Most Hated Starters
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I’m still bitter that it’s called “Panpour” and not “Pansoak” to go with the -sage and -sear of the others.
Now I want it to be called Pansoak and Simisoak. Sounds so much better and fits the theming
I feel the same way
Same, I had that same thought.
Love your idea, what about Panstream maybe? Simistream? It also keeps the “elements” starting with -s.
@@johnparison4428 maybe, but it doesn’t follow the 4-letter theme of “soak” and “sear.”
The elemental monkeys are equivalent to the, “Bro think they’re the Starter Pokémon💀”
“Bro thinks he’s on the team” ahh pokemon 💀💀💀
"What is my purpose?"
"You defeat Chili's Pansear"
"Oh my god"
Couldn’t agree more 😂
@@theknightwithabadpictotall7639
The funny part is that Simipour is the best non-starter water type in BW.
-Tympole Line?
Outclassed by Scald Simipour until fairly late, and then gets screwed over by not getting Ice Beam.
-Tirtouga Line
Probably the most serious contender overall, but it costs you Archen/Archeops, easily one of the single best mons in the game.
-Ducklett Line
Outclassed
-Basculin
Outclassed
-Jellicent
Way too late and usually caught massively underleveled.
Pansear being told it beats Cilan's Pansage would have worked better.
5:01 Game Freak actually has a very good oportunity to make these guys the starters of a "Legends: Unova".
Would people hate it? Probably.
Would it be memed? Yes.
Would i laugh my ass off? ABSOLUTELY.
While I do hate that idea overall, it would at least be a good excuse to give them that final evolution they desperately need.
Makes a lot of sense to give them a 3rd evo. Just like these guys, 2/3rds of middle evolved starters are also ugly
After what they did with Dunsparce finally evolving, I support this God Tier troll move.
The suffering is palpable
Please stop cooking.
If they got alternate evolutions or third stages that actually look cool and aren’t total garbage stats/moves wise I’m sure people wouldn’t mind.
When and if pokemon remakes black and white. The monkey trio definitely need a revamp of moves and stats to be extra helpful
Maybe make another evolution too
@@gameb9oy i can see them get a branch Evo but they are stone based so it may be harder.
Adding a more wild version of each could work and give them a chance to be remembered like primape getting his ghost Evo
Or just give them evos on Legends Z-A. France is known for having a monkey zoo that houses 3 species of monkeys and the elemental monkeys do appear in Kalos already.
I don't think touching the stats is necessary but 100% need a better learnset.
Maybe they could be hitmon'ed and be given a baby form and have them all branch off from the same damn monkey. I hate how these lines are unconnected.
People would probably hate them a lot less, if they all evolved from one Pokemon ala Eevee Style. The actual weird part is that we effectively have the same Pokemon line, 3 times over. They’re like a pseudo starter trio but they’re basically a monkey band.
Yeah, and I think they all have the same stats too, so probably should've been forms instead, IMO.
Maybe not eevee but tyrogue where u have a baby chimp or something and u make it have good one stat to become a slightly better and bigger version each form
@@katakunalutakuchimirikushi2271 Oh ja, ja that’d probably work to.
For me it’s their evolutions that ruin it for me. They’re not the best designed Pokemon. The pre evolutions are cute and I love the idea of the 3 monkeys representing an element and the see/hear/speak no evil story
Nah, yall are just Simi haters.
Simisage for life, that guy is cool AF.
@@rogue1248: Simisage is absolutely cool AF and always has been. The other two... well, I think they are victims of poor presentation. Their original sprites were kinda goofy at best, and most other early renditions of them in the card game shared that awkwardness. However, I've seen fanarts that with better posing and composition make them just as cool as Simisage.
I've never understood how they're supposed to represent the see/hear/speak no evil theme. Panpour and Simipour I can understand for see no evil as its eyes are closed. And I could even give Pansear for hear no evil with it seemingly covering an ear, but that goes away when it evolves. And that leaves Pansage and Simisage for speak no evil which they not only don't show in any way, Pansage is the only one of the three with his mouth open. If they're supposed to be reversed and sear is speak and sage is hear, then I see nothing representing that for either of them.
Simisear is literally my fire GOAT. he may not have been the strongest or won many battle, but he was there with me from the start and I never once thought of replacing him even when i got a litwic
Breaks my heart that these guys are some of the least popular pokemon :1(
@@queen_sectonia i see nothing wrong about these monkies. they just funky lil guys
that's what im saying
He looks so derpy though
You sir are correct simisear is criminally underrated and it honestly very good, I'd put him up there with maybe Magmar or houndoom
Pansage and Simisage will always be my favorite monkey of the trio.
Same
Ditto
100% agree.
I’m 100% that if they had been released on their own without the other two monkey lines, Pansage and Simisage would be much more popular. It’s the other two that drag them down.
I love the elemental monkeys. It's saddening that people don't like them. I love Simisear
Same for me!! I actually had a Simisear named Caspian on my childhood team and I still have him in Home! Hopefully they'll be added to a future game so I can bring him bavk properly T^T
Pansear is one of my favourite Pokémon too in general... I think the Elemental Monkeys are peak Pokémon designs honestly. Like they're clearly recognisable as a "Pokémon" to me, if that makes sence?? xDD
I just think they're neat!😊
I mean, we don’t like them because they look absolutely awful. Possibly amongst the worst designs in all of Pokémon
@@davion4777 They don't look awful, in my opinion. I've always loved them. The first time I played a Unova game, I knew that I wanted a Simisear. They aren't the best designs, but they definitely aren't the worst. They executed their concepts pretty well, in my opinion, and they look silly.
I love Simisage. That thumbs up gives me an idea hes a wing man.
Simisear is awesome, it was so great using acrobatics right when it was invented + gems were introduced, flame charge right when that move was new too, rock slide, and brick break / whatever, RIGHT when TMs became reusable. a true mvp of the team
Simisage looks cool
Simipour looks cute
Simisear looks silly
I'm indifferent about the Pokemon themselves, but the first gym being a dynamic challenge based on your starter is such a cool concept.
I really like the elemental monkeys
I like how it could potentially provide an explanation as to why starter Pokemon are Grass/Fire/Water, like there could be an unknown region where an elemental monkey is given when someone comes of age, a tradition that is then borrowed and adapted by other regions
But I do think that the elemental monkeys need more diverse move pools
Might sound weird but I think they were intended to be pokemon that you use early game but fall off later, akin to butterfree. The other options for grass,fire, and water types are generally more powerful. The elemental monkeys are both early but can be fully evolved by the 3rd gym but compared to pokemon that require more investment arw much weaker
You also have to hold off on evolving them for quite a while to get full use out of their offensive movesets. Only Simipour avoids this by TM's giving it classic ice/water coverage pretty easily and Scald being its main level up move. Luckily they debuted when Eviolite did.
Simipour never actually falls off, and is very easily a contender for best Water-type(only real contender is Oshawott).
Simisage is either the third best Grass-type behind Lilligant and Ferrothorn. Being a grass-type is bad in BW, but Lilligant just ignores that by Sleep Powder Quiver Dancing everything, and Ferrothorn solves the issue by being a steel-type.
Simisear though... Tepig beats it, Darumaka is one of the best mons in the game. Fire type offenses also has some overlap with Flying, and Archen is another top tier.
Simisage is the legendary SSJ Broly of Pokémon. I love it.
I love all the elemental monkeys, especially Simisage. It’s a simple but cute design! I hope they get more love in the future.
Legit picked snivy as my starter in my first black playthrough and used simipoor on my team all the way to the league
I had the same story in White with Simipour being in my N Final Boss team. Simipour was a nice looking swimmer that wasn’t a fish and I didn’t want the water fossil as there’s too many of them in comparison.
The elemental monkeys look something invented to fill up space. They're the kind of thing you make when your back as against the wall in s whiteboard presentation but shouldn't carry over to the final game.
I wouldn't say I hate the elemental monkeys but I don't really hate that many Pokemon in general. I only really tolerate Simisage on top of that. Do I think there are Pokemon worst than Simisear by the time of that popularity event back in like 2016, yeah sure. But I understand why he's there at the bottom.
Hate is a strong word but the only ones I'd say I hate are the real ugly ones that came out in the last couple generations. I think X & Y had the last creatures somewhat reminiscent of Pokémon, sword & shield and S&V's cute "iconic" early route Pokémon don't even look like Digimon at least, all those fckers look like something else entirely. Man I remember back in the day people were upset with Gen 4 & 5's design 😂 now you can't even tell they're Pokémon until you hear somebody say they are
I've never understood the hate. The monkeys are cute, and the evolutions have solid designs. I started with Oshawatt, but Simipour is my favorite of the three. And Simisage looks like it has a cool mohawk.
I do not think the evolutions have solid designs. Infact I think they were one of the earliest examples of the new design style present in gen 6,7 onward that just look so different than gen 2 pokemon that its off-putting and tonally dissonant to older fans.
I grew fond towards Simisear because I used it in USUM on a team competitively and it did wonders
Same but for simipour!
Honestly, I didn't really care for them until I got into competitive. I wanted to be different and started using Simisear. And geez it was so refreshing. Gluttony with a healing berry, will-o-wisp, knock off, belch/flamethrower, and recycle. Nobody sees it coming.
My first (and currently only) Nuzlocke was in Black, and I got a Pansear. It eventually became Simisear and made it all the way to the Elite 4, where I had to sacrifice it against Caitlin. I’m not exactly the biggest fan of the elemental monkeys, but that Simisear has given me more of an appreciation for them.
I have a similar history with the monkeys. I chose tepig on my first playthrough and so got given a pansage. I had it for the whole game and really liked it. Its stats may not be outstanding but its fast and has a surprisingly diverse movepool, allowing it to have something relevant against basically any boss trainer
They really don't tell me anything, without seeing them ugly, but really anonymous.
I not only used Panpour on my White team, I also got a Pansage in my Y playthrough to use in my team. Since you can catch them pretty early, and I chose Froakie and knew I would be getting Charmander eventually, I caught one to act as the grass-type member of my Grasss-Fire-Water team core. Didn't make it all the way to the Elite four before getting replaced if I recall correctly, but he did stick around for a surprisingly long time.
dude yes, the guidebooks are AWESOME. my brother and i probly spent over 100 hours of our lives just looking through and rereading the diamond and pearl guidebook as kids. so good.
Simisage is my all-time favorite grass type Pokemon. I had one on my team from Gen 5-7 because I think it had a very cool design. Unfortunately, it looks like I'm going to have to wait until Gen 5 remakes before being able to use it again.
since their theme is type matchups, one idea I had was to give the simis evolutions, but the evolutions become grass/flying, fire/fighting, and water/rock, making it so they each have a type advantage over the one that previously countered them.
In my first run of Pokémon White, half my team was literally early route Pokémon because I loved them. Emboar, Simisage and Stoutland were the strongest in the team. The other 3 slots remaining were changing all the time.
Love that there’s finally a video that shows love and appreciation for the elemental monkeys I will forever love them and every other gen 5 Pokémon until my grave
In my first few games, I just kept the first 6 Pokemon I caught so I actually did keep my Panpour. I didn't evolve it for a long time though cuz it's a stone evolution and I was scared it wouldn't learn any new moves. In general, I prefer the base stages over their evolutions (they're very Aipom-shaped), though I like Simisage too.
As for how we obtain them in BW, I feel like it might've been more creative if they had just been normal encounters so the player actually had to think more about which one would be useful in the Striaton fight. Then again, approaching their availability this way might've run the risk of making the monkeys competition for the actual starters by the end of the game (especially Simisage vs. Serperior). This isn't as much of a problem in XY cuz those starters are all dual type and have stat distributions more extreme than any of the monkeys, but in Unova Emboar is the only starter with a niche that's completely distinct from its corresponding monkey.
That's why I'm fine with them not getting evolutions, because if they're meant to be secondary starters, it'd be weird if they ended up stronger than the actual starters.
I've never understood the full hate for them. I find them being a trio of Elemental Monkies, along with them being a slight nod to the 3 Wise Monkies. My personal favorite of course being Simipour, it just looks like they're chilling all the time, and I really enjoy that design choice. Also think Simisage being a reference to tough biker gang members is also pretty interesting to, as seen with the hair. As for Simisage, I don't have too much thoughts about it, but I don't hate it like so many people apparently do.
I do have to say though, if these three are as "universally hated" like people on this site like to claim, then care to explain why I've found a lot of fan art of this trio, aling with some posts from people talking about why they like them? Plus, stat whlise, they not that bad. I know opinions are opinions, but I just think these guys get WAY to much undeserving hate.
Thanks for making this Gator, really nice to see a positive video on the guys for once.
I've always personally loved both the first forms and evolved forms of each of the monkeys, they have such vibrant personalities and really nice designs, to the point where I never got why people hated them, they're among some of my favorite in the entire series!
I always wanted them to get branching evos when traded with one of the other Elemental Monkeys. Giving us interesting typing combos and giving them new life
Ok i unironically love pansage and panpours lines they’re easily one of my top 5 pokemon
I had the same experience when playing Pokemon white. Tepig was my starter so I got pansage and not only did it stay on my team throughout the entire game, but also became one of my favorite gen 5 Pokemon.
I appreciate Pansear for being one of the only chill fire type, its devil-like tail is cute and overall Pansear is an improvement over Chimchar in my opinion☕️
In my copy of Pokémon Y, for most of the game I used a Panpour which helped me quite a bit on my journey. Sadly I had to relinquish it as it couldn’t know surf, but I did help it evolve and gave it a special place in the PC. I am even planning on using it for a BW playthrough, so I bet it’ll be fun to have the funny monkey again
When zarude is more likeable than another Pokémon you know it’s bad
1:00 Real ones picked 2 of the same type, because f playing optimally lmao
Lol, I just ordered the guide book for my replays, be more fun than looking up everything online
I find them to be peak game design. Especially Pour. Being able to get Scald and evolve at 22 means that it's good, even pushed for that stage of the game. But will need good team support in the late game due to its low defence stats.
gotta love the silly elemental monkeys :)
During my play though of X I caught a pansear in the Forrest area and decided to use him because I simply never had one on my team before. He stuck with me the entire game and inspired me to have an even split between unova and khalos mons. In terms of actual game XY are definitely not the best but that team I put together is still my all time favorite.
i really came around to loving pansear/simisear. carries in the 1st gym and the 3rd gym (against burgh). especially because you can evolve it right when you get the castelia and once it learns a stronger move at 22.
I think one of the biggest reasons Simisear was picked last out of the Elemental Monkeys in particular was how utterly outclassed by the Infernape line it is in skills, practicality, AND design.
It's hard to pick Simisear as your favorite overall for anything other than nostalgia in a gen 5 playthrough next to Infernape, and I'm saying this despite being one of the few with way more nostalgia for Simisear than Infernape.
I had a pansage in X and kept it until the fairy gym, I swapped it out because I didn’t know it needed a stone to evolve at the time
I might be one of the few people who actually kinda liked the Elemental monkeys (I'm not super crazy about them, but I have no hate for them). Receiving the elemental monkey as a gift from that NPC made me love them even more.
I remember playing white for the first time and having a Tepig and Pansage. I replaced Pansage with a petilil pretty quickly for some reason but I should really go back and give the trio another shot
Also they are the only pokemon other then starter Pokemon that are able to get starter pokemon abilitys like torrent, blaze and overgrow as their ability/hidden ability
If the Evolutionary Monkeys (which is a dope title) ever return id like to add more types like with Eeveelutions. And to keep the trio theme: Dark, Fighting, and Psychic. Dark and Psychic to reference Umbreon and Espeon introductions.
I do think that the monkeys might have a shot in Legends ZA since they were in the OG Kalos dex (in fact, the other mons not yet in a Switch game, Furfrou and Patrat/Watchog, are also in the OG Kalos dex)
The elemental monkeys are some of my favourite Pokémon, i saw them first in a pokedex book and I've loved them ever since. I hope they get added to the switch in legends ZA
If you didn't know about the shaky grass thing, then there's no way you knew about their hidden abilities
I spent 2 hours trying to catch pansage yesterday. I caught a leavany, a lilligant, found 2 of each of the 2 monkeys I didn't need, and about 30 audinos...never again.
I mean, they were in the Kalos intro forest, too, so Legends ZA is viable to bring them back along with Furfrou and Pateat/Watchog, all being available in Kalos.
I actually started pokemon black last month. I picked oshawott and got pansear. I truly wish the voice in the back of my head telling me to drop it was louder 😭
Fun fact the ability blaze, overgrow and torrent can only be on a starter Pokémon of the respective type except for the elemental monkeys so they are consider honorary starters.
Pansage was the most prominent of the three in marketing, and I remember seeing it a lot when I went to the Black/White tour in 2011. It was an event they had in malls around the U.S. where you could play a demo of the game and watch the Zoroark movie. Because of that I ended up having a Simisage on my team when I played Black, and I always associate it with that tour!
Man I love these guys
Another big problem with these is they show up way too much throughout the game -- every other route there's at least one trainer with if not one all three. The early game of BW suffers a lot from seeing the same revolving cast of early pokemon, in part because they keep getting recycled through Plasma Grunts, N, and your two rivals, so it's easy to feel fatigued as a player
Personally I love the elemental monekys. They are just silly little guys, but I do know them more from the anime and XY since I started with White 2😅
Maybe they could get an evolution like Girafarig did on Legends Z-A or gen 10 that separate each other statwise and selll that "second starter" feeling better.
In france specially, they could get evos based on La Vallée des Singes, known for having 3 species of monkeys (gorillas, chimpanzes and bonobos), kinda like how Grafiaiai is in part based on the Oma forest in Spain
Watch these guys get Mega Evolutions in ZA.
I definitely love semicir because I just I use them on my nuzllock through x and he actually pulled his weight and he managed to give me out some tight spots so I'm going to have to give it to them
I almost aleays love using the monkeys. I think the only one I actually haven't used is Simipour, but that's mostly because I barely pick Snivy and when I do, I usually want to use a different water type.
repeat after me : "there is no elemental monkeys in Unova"
You also can get them from shaking grass in pinwheel forest
I'd have given them sub types for current day to make them unique
Add in fairy fighting and ground to help them have some unique typing to be a good second pokemon to your starter.
That would also give them more type coverage and better moves.
Well, its a posibility, but fairy, ground and fighting dont seem to fit them well
Normal and psychic could fit the bill given their inspiration, and it would make them stand out, since there is like 1 grass/normal, fire/normal and water/normal pokemon around, and fire/psychic, grass/psychic and water/psychic is fairly incommon as well
@@mysticpumpkin8520 fighting is literally right there as they are standing already. Ground they are monkey and could easily be seen throwing mud with sand attack and mud slap so one of them could make it a good sub type.
Dark can work since they hide in trees and psychic sure if they don't want to go back and add fairy to types like they did in later gens.
Point is they could have been cool second starters if they had some unique sub types. Heck even the unova starters could use the same treatment
@@ivanbluecool ngl, that sounds like rather flimsly excuses to justify the types. And tbh just an evolution can be enough, since dual typing can bring more harm than good. Just ask Aggron
@@mysticpumpkin8520 sounds like your excuse there too since aagron mega went back to single type and rock steel and ground usually can use each other's moves
Also that excuse would basically be flismey too as many pokemon can learn strange moves. Wooper has ice punch and primape a tail move. These monkey could have at least learned the punch moves or fang moves to give them extra coverage.
Basically the mono types are very pale in comparison to the starters. If they gave them some uniqueness it would have made them more useful overall. They easily get replaced by sizeimtoad and such later on anyways as mono base types can't keep up for the most part
What if the secondary type is also one of the starter typing? So if you picked a water starter, you get Pansear and then when it evolves it gets the Grass type, and so on.
I still have my platinum guide book from the 6th grade definitely nostalgic
Anybody wondering if crispin of the blueberry elite four might be related to thirst triplet gym leaders? They are all chefs too
I remember my first playthrough of Black, I was really missing mons from older gens, so I didn't have the heart to catch anything. Instead, I opted to play the game using only handouts. Which worked out cause levelling was hard enough without having a full team of 6 to slow me down. But on top of that, the choice really made me appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of my 4 gift pokemon, Simipour included. Being one of the only 4 mons I owned in that first playthrough, it really made a mark and I just can't hate it even if I don't think it's the best designed of any of the monkeys. Might be the most useful though, only by virtue of typing.
They’d be better if they were anything but monkeys. We have SO many monkeys.
Maybe differing simians at least, lemurs could be cool? Perhaps spiders as a lil’ spider monkey reference?
It’s a reference to the three wise monkeys. See/hear/speak no evil.
these god damn monkeys are really pissing me off
I think we can expect them to return in Pokemon Legends Z-A since they did reappear in Kalos in XY, but not usable in any of the Pokemon games within the Nintendo Switch, so I hope they’re back in some interesting way.
I really hope they give them new cross-gen evolutions with dual typing in future games like how Starters do most of the time considering they felt so incomplete with just having two-stages hence why most people myself included just boxed them in favor of much better mons to use maybe aside from Simipour who's one of the few decent non-starter Water type to use along with Seismitoad
Went back and played Black a couple years ago. If ANY of my Pokémon clutched HARDEST in most battles it was my Pansear/Simisear. He was the literal CLUTCH that helped me beat Cilan, Clay, Brycen, and even Drayden. To the point where it even became somewhat of a joke between a couple friends where I'd be like "ALRIGHT RELEASE THE MONKEY."
Simisage's pompadour is too cool to hate, best one
Pokémon Concierge is the only place that I can see these guys now 😂😂😂
They were adorable in concierge. Even with their limited screen time.
I dunno if you can count them as starters cause the only reason why they exist is to counter cilan's gym cause they use the super effective typing and i mostly put them under gift pokemons.
The grass evolution looks cool asf
How can anyone not like how amazing Simisage looks.
I missed gen 5. To me when I played gen 6 it was like there were 200 new mons and with all that choice I didn’t give them a second look. I was also immediately put off by their designs so I never had an idea that they had lame stats/moves
Honestly these monkeys are my favourite Pokemon ever. I shiny hunted for all of them before bank shutdown.
i had a pansear in my XY nuzlocke. the moveset was amazing and he got me out of MANY close calls that would have ended my run. particularly the double froufrou battle on route 6. when i lost him to a solrock in glittering cave i was DEVASTATED. his name was infernape. i so wanted him to fully evolve before dying. or even better, making it to the end...
My favourite Pokémon is -Sand Rattikare- Sandslash. I think,what Sandslash undeservedly approach to late,when we have a more interesting poke ground type.
These three would be perfect for a spotlight in a pokemon snap level. They need a chance to be given a little extra personality
Only used pansear until i got a team of 6 i wanted to use instead so i didnt bond with it much but i have to admit simisears art for conquest goes hard. If thats what his ingame sprite looked like in b&w id of used him
I like to think these guys *are* the starters for trainers who dont have a good connection with professors that can hand them rare actual starters. food at home kinda starters
I remember using Pansage/Simisage through the first time I played Black (never actually finished that run) and found it a bit underwhelming in comparison to the other mons on my team by the time I got through Victory Road. So though I don't hate the monkeys, they really don't align with my taste enough for me to actually want to use them.
Personnally I love the base forms !
I did some games with only those 3 !
They are in the Kalos regional dex so there’s a CHANCE they’ll be in Legends ZA (not guaranteed though as some Pokemon in the Sinnoh dex aren’t in Legends Arceus)
I boxed my monkey immediately when I got it lol
I always loved them, I don’t understand the hate they get. Pansage was my first and it made it to my final team In white. One of my core memories is grinding in Pinwheel forest because I was underleveled for Burg, to my surprise I find the other two moneys I didn’t have and it was beyond happy because they felt like starters to me
Finally, somebody else who likes the “Elemental Monkey Trio”! If they make a new “Legends” game set in a time period within the Unova region, I’m hoping they’ll get a better deal and receive third stage evolutions. What names would you suggest for such evolved forms?
Including the Mankey and Aipom lines, these are the only monkey Pokémon I actually like. I don’t exactly hate the rest of them, but I’ve never been fond of them either, and yes that includes the Grookey & Chimchar lines; Ash’s Infernape being the lone exception since it’s a character with an arc.
Simisear is well...flaming lol. Never noticed that before. I also didnt even try using. Straight to the box.
I remember a time where Black and White was VERY polarizing with the online Pokemon communities but the one thing everyone seemed to agree on was that Simipour was somehow the ugliest thing anyone has ever laid their eyes upon
I had a Pansage named Kiki. She was awful and terrible at fighting but I had a rotating team slot and felt bad abandoning her 💀
Always thought simisage had a delinquent look with the hair so every one I’ve had on a team was named The King that man was mvp for several encounters
I still remember my Simipour from my Black playthrough. I named him Pojo.
Plot twist they’re the starters for legends ZA