I fully agree Lance, The Ventoux is by far the hardest climb I have ever ridden. I was lucky that it was not windy, but the black cloud of flies chasing me in the woods telling me I was going to slow was indeed one big mind fuck. 🙂 The first part I thought my brakes must be slipping against the wheels. You have no sense of the gradient on such a wide road with no real corners.
Great show guys! Thanks for the 2025 Tour de France discussion. The Team Time Trial was one of the coolest stages tgat should be added back and a Mountain Time sounds interesting.
If Jonas did his best numbers ever in 2024 with three weeks of preparation after injury rehab, what will be his numbers in 2025 if he comes to the tour unscathed and fully prepared? Looking forward to another big contest.
I think the last time we saw TTT in a grand tour was at the Vuelta Espana on the year that Alberto Contador did his last season and that Vuelta was his last 3 week race, it was that stage that the last teams to go to the road finished already at nighttime and there were some riders who protested!
Pogacar can win on the cobbles in the mountains on the hills on the flats on the gravel in the classics, the monuments there is no tour proofing Pogacar.
I love the new format of the TTT the last time. The time is stopped when the first rider cross the finish line instead of 4. It gives chances to team that doesn't have everyone good in TT. For example: FDJ managed to help Gaudu not loosing minutes. So we can have all the GC contenders don't loose too much time if their team aren't all good TTs.
Narvias was a great signing for UAE, him and Politt will be great for the 1st 11 days to help Pogachar stay up near the front time wise, then the climbers will start, Plus would of been nice to incorporate a cobbled stage in there, especially being up north of france
The 3 GTs should all be different, but they're not; they all favour climbers.........Why shouldn't one of them favour 'classics' type riders - and avoid high mountains?
Yes, Lance you did crash and no George it was not at the bottom of the climb. Yes, I know Lance it was a bag from a spectator and George it was somewhere up the climb. I still remember it because I rode up that climb two days before with the late Jos van der Vleuten (GIY). I will never forget that. He was like a dad I perhaps wished I had to me.
This Tour is so hard and yes the transfers are insane. We will see that the GC riders will try to pace themselves until the last week. Otherwise, they are going to 'kill' themselves figuratively.
Mentally MV really is a tough climb, but there is no way it's the hardest climb. I will pick the same climb that Pogacar picked - Col de la Loze. Nothing else destroyed me like that.
The Col de la Loze is in fact a maintenance road/farmers road that is a ski piste in the winter. As there are so many in the Alps. Most of those are not fully paved or just paved with concrete slaps on either side. I can point to at least two or three such climbs in Graubunden, Switzerland at least. Also +25km. Quit frankly I do not see why pro cycling needs to be turned into a circus act, like in last year's Vuelta and Giro. Why do we need to have riders ride up ski pistes at 25%? Nobody will be able to attack, tactics are completely lost on those gradients. It makes no sense to me. I rode the Redoute once, concluded it was like a rollercoaster in a theme park, and decided it was the last time I rode it. I remember turning the corner at the Keutenberg the first time and thinking, you really want me to ride up there?!
Do you think the other teams will start to catch on to the UAE performance training program they are using? Clearly it is a massive advantage. Forget Pogi. Look at the other riders huge jump in performance this year. The rest of the peloton needs to catch up.
Tadej will win by even more the harder they make it. I'm concerned about the rumor that the UCI is making Tadej ride the tour on a 1970's Schwinn Stick Shift Spider bike with a Banana seat. Ah who am I kidding Tadej will still win while riding Wheelies! 👍🏼🚵🏼💯🇸🇮
About the crashes. Elementary my dear Watson. Bikes have become +16% faster in the years since your days' gentlemen (meaning that they are more than 16% faster with the same amount of watts produced by the rider), and routes have become more dangerous with all the road furniture. So it is only logical that we have bigger crashes. Riders say that it is their own fault and that they determine how dangerous it gets, but then I see an Italian champion bounce through a meadow like a doll 2 days after a colleague died on the descent of the Albula in the Tour de Suisse. Even when he already did the same descent in that race final before. Riders say they are in control, but they are the ones that do not brake. They are paid not to brake. So all this discussion blaming others that the sport is too dangerous is a bit silly. Of course, you need to do all you can but physics just says something has to give and in the end, it is always the body that breaks.
You have this backwards. The burden on proof is on those who say tooth fairy is real and those who say Tadej is on PEDs. So it's actually you who is more alike tooth fairy believers. And before you ask: no, I cannot prove tooth fairies aren't real.
@@bojandolinar1535well top level world tour positives and busts are pretty frequent these days bro that's proof enough, pee pills, estrogen inhibitors, opioids and human growth hormone all within the past ~ 12 months. plus they are likely all taking roxadustat which has no gcms test yet and is out of the system incredibly quickly. basically epo's big brother. I think what you need to understand, is that the sport has ALWAYS been this way. in the 1920s they took cocaine, in the 1960s Eddy Merckx's era was descending mountains after eating fistfuls of amphetamine pills. they are athletes not criminals. your conception of 'clean' doesn't exist in cycling. you have to do it to survive. there is much more than one person's personal results on the line. sponsors and teams play this ridiculous game where they pretend they don't encourage it. big money is at stake and we vilify young athletes instead of just making it legal. which is what Should be done.
Great to see George back on the Pod 👍
On it!! Thanks guys!!
I fully agree Lance, The Ventoux is by far the hardest climb I have ever ridden. I was lucky that it was not windy, but the black cloud of flies chasing me in the woods telling me I was going to slow was indeed one big mind fuck. 🙂 The first part I thought my brakes must be slipping against the wheels. You have no sense of the gradient on such a wide road with no real corners.
Great show guys! Thanks for the 2025 Tour de France discussion. The Team Time Trial was one of the coolest stages tgat should be added back and a Mountain Time sounds interesting.
If Jonas did his best numbers ever in 2024 with three weeks of preparation after injury rehab, what will be his numbers in 2025 if he comes to the tour unscathed and fully prepared? Looking forward to another big contest.
I think the last time we saw TTT in a grand tour was at the Vuelta Espana on the year that Alberto Contador did his last season and that Vuelta was his last 3 week race, it was that stage that the last teams to go to the road finished already at nighttime and there were some riders who protested!
I would like to see a healthy Roglic and that Bora team from this year's Vuelta in the Tour. That would make for an interesting Tour.
Agree with bringing back the TTT - a thing of beauty.
Pogacar can win on the cobbles in the mountains on the hills on the flats on the gravel in the classics, the monuments there is no tour proofing Pogacar.
I love the new format of the TTT the last time. The time is stopped when the first rider cross the finish line instead of 4. It gives chances to team that doesn't have everyone good in TT. For example: FDJ managed to help Gaudu not loosing minutes. So we can have all the GC contenders don't loose too much time if their team aren't all good TTs.
if half the teams are doing a lead out for 1 guy in the final: that's not a ttt
Narvias was a great signing for UAE, him and Politt will be great for the 1st 11 days to help Pogachar stay up near the front time wise, then the climbers will start,
Plus would of been nice to incorporate a cobbled stage in there, especially being up north of france
Haven’t thought about Narváez going to the Tour. I’m not sold that he will but he is a great all around rider!
This is like when golf said they were going to Tiger proof a course. Newsflash, it's harder for everyone not just Tiger. Worked out real well.
sweet, cant wait!
What is that greenscreen behind Lance...what is that?
Its not a pointless conversation at all. 3weeks of criterium style racing WVA wins the tdf.The grand tours are world climbing championships.
The 3 GTs should all be different, but they're not; they all favour climbers.........Why shouldn't one of them favour 'classics' type riders - and avoid high mountains?
this has to be a troll comment lol 😂
Le Tran Blue, best TTT ever!!
Yes, Lance you did crash and no George it was not at the bottom of the climb. Yes, I know Lance it was a bag from a spectator and George it was somewhere up the climb. I still remember it because I rode up that climb two days before with the late Jos van der Vleuten (GIY). I will never forget that. He was like a dad I perhaps wished I had to me.
Ciccone will be a dark horse in 2025 in my opinion,(not winning a GT, but will hit the podium in 1 of them), JMO
I believe Cav is coming to Taiwan to race at Sun Moon Lake in November.
Any gravel?
This Tour is so hard and yes the transfers are insane. We will see that the GC riders will try to pace themselves until the last week. Otherwise, they are going to 'kill' themselves figuratively.
Where is JB?
Haven't seen him ages. I wonder what happened.
Rumor is they are messing with him.
Rumor is they are messing with him.
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I guess he gone.
So do any of the big 4 do Tour of the Basque Country?
Depends how much organizers are willing to pay and how safe they make the route.
Call Cav to help with the track bike. He knows a thing or two about it...
Unfortunately the next BIG Superstar to hit cycling is already Pogachars team mate, 😉
Mentally MV really is a tough climb, but there is no way it's the hardest climb. I will pick the same climb that Pogacar picked - Col de la Loze. Nothing else destroyed me like that.
Seriously, there are only 11 comments. Video has been online for 4 hrs.
Team time trial would just mean toddy wins by 10 minutes
The Col de la Loze is in fact a maintenance road/farmers road that is a ski piste in the winter. As there are so many in the Alps. Most of those are not fully paved or just paved with concrete slaps on either side. I can point to at least two or three such climbs in Graubunden, Switzerland at least. Also +25km. Quit frankly I do not see why pro cycling needs to be turned into a circus act, like in last year's Vuelta and Giro. Why do we need to have riders ride up ski pistes at 25%? Nobody will be able to attack, tactics are completely lost on those gradients. It makes no sense to me. I rode the Redoute once, concluded it was like a rollercoaster in a theme park, and decided it was the last time I rode it. I remember turning the corner at the Keutenberg the first time and thinking, you really want me to ride up there?!
Does it change every year? What a dumb question!
Do you think the other teams will start to catch on to the UAE performance training program they are using? Clearly it is a massive advantage. Forget Pogi. Look at the other riders huge jump in performance this year. The rest of the peloton needs to catch up.
It's the other way around. UAE is catching up.
Lived in Austin for 20 years, best part was no need for swift.
2025 looks to be more sprints, boo
Pogo char proof the route. Lance just please pronounce his name better, lol it’s not hard at all
Provide the pronunciation then.
@@tourdefrancePo-Got-Char 👍
Tadej will win by even more the harder they make it. I'm concerned about the rumor that the UCI is making Tadej ride the tour on a 1970's Schwinn Stick Shift Spider bike with a Banana seat.
Ah who am I kidding Tadej will still win while riding Wheelies! 👍🏼🚵🏼💯🇸🇮
@mikeoc217 You got it right, Mike!
How dose he say it wrong ?
About the crashes. Elementary my dear Watson. Bikes have become +16% faster in the years since your days' gentlemen (meaning that they are more than 16% faster with the same amount of watts produced by the rider), and routes have become more dangerous with all the road furniture. So it is only logical that we have bigger crashes. Riders say that it is their own fault and that they determine how dangerous it gets, but then I see an Italian champion bounce through a meadow like a doll 2 days after a colleague died on the descent of the Albula in the Tour de Suisse. Even when he already did the same descent in that race final before. Riders say they are in control, but they are the ones that do not brake. They are paid not to brake. So all this discussion blaming others that the sport is too dangerous is a bit silly. Of course, you need to do all you can but physics just says something has to give and in the end, it is always the body that breaks.
Tadej 100% has doped, to think otherwise is to believe that the Tooth Fairy is real, Jonas would have to match his doping levels to compete
You have this backwards. The burden on proof is on those who say tooth fairy is real and those who say Tadej is on PEDs. So it's actually you who is more alike tooth fairy believers.
And before you ask: no, I cannot prove tooth fairies aren't real.
@@bojandolinar1535well top level world tour positives and busts are pretty frequent these days bro that's proof enough, pee pills, estrogen inhibitors, opioids and human growth hormone all within the past ~ 12 months.
plus they are likely all taking roxadustat which has no gcms test yet and is out of the system incredibly quickly. basically epo's big brother.
I think what you need to understand, is that the sport has ALWAYS been this way. in the 1920s they took cocaine, in the 1960s Eddy Merckx's era was descending mountains after eating fistfuls of amphetamine pills.
they are athletes not criminals. your conception of 'clean' doesn't exist in cycling. you have to do it to survive. there is much more than one person's personal results on the line. sponsors and teams play this ridiculous game where they pretend they don't encourage it. big money is at stake and we vilify young athletes instead of just making it legal. which is what Should be done.
Any tips for Stage 7 George with the Mur de Bretagne finish? ua-cam.com/video/zQ5pioCRjEI/v-deo.htmlsi=xRuvZQ2mIpaCtx0m&t=3726
really boring tour then until stage 12 I guess..
Why does Lance keep pronouncing Pogacar name incorrectly? Is it on purpose like Trump with Kamala?
Inferiority complex I assume.
And 3 UAE guys top 6! Stage 21 (ITT) (Final)»Monaco›Nice(33.7km)
GC
Points
KOM
Youth
Teams
previous stage next stage AgeBIBsTime won/lostH2HSpecialty
all teams
all nations
Rnk Prev ▼▲ Rider Team UCI Pnt Time
1 1 -
POGAČAR Tadej
UAE Team Emirates 1300 500
1:12″
83:38:56
2 2 -
VINGEGAARD Jonas
Team Visma | Lease a Bike 1040 380
38″
6:17
3 3 -
EVENEPOEL Remco
Soudal Quick-Step 880 340
22″
9:18
4 4 -
ALMEIDA João
UAE Team Emirates 750 300 19:03
5 5 -
LANDA Mikel
Soudal Quick-Step 620 280 20:06
6 6 -
YATES Adam
UAE Team Emirates 520 260 24:07
7 7 -
RODRÍGUEZ Carlos
INEOS Grenadiers 425 240 25:04
8 8 -
JORGENSON Matteo
Team Visma | Lease a Bike 360 220
6″
26:34
9 9 -
GEE Derek
Israel - Premier Tech 295 210
4″
27:21
10 11 ▲1
BUITRAGO Santiago
Bahrain - Victorious 230 200 29:03