Great briefing guys. It is good to hear young Army pilots cover one of the same old problems like spacial disorientation. I flew 400 hours IMC in Hueys without any autopilot, but as Casey pointed out the other pilot is a Godsend. With less power and ADF only before they installed VOR in many National Guard Hueys, we spent a lot of each 2.5 hour fuel load in the clouds on low altitude airways (brown not blue.) So we experienced one thing you guys did not cover: puking. Yes we trusted our instruments, but even with sharing the stick time sickness could happen after several IMC legs. How much did I trust my instruments? Driving near Pagosa Springs to my wife's parents for Christmas in a very bad snow storm, I got vertigo. I had to pull over and let my wife drive. She protested until I explained what would happen. Anyway, Casey covered all the main points very well. Thanks guys.
Vertigo is an awful thing to suffer from - I have a fear of heights too. They are completely separate things. Having both is a real issue for me. I cant drive over road bridges so I take the long way round.
Excellent podcast Dan. Definitely a great throwback to a very important topic. Joe always does an amazing job of explaining and demonstrating the things he is talking about. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies my friend 🇺🇸🛩️
I still remember when I flew a Warrior in hard, single pilot IMC for an hour and a half with no AP. I experienced all the things you talked about. Look away from the primary instruments too long and I’d find myself in a 30* bank. Right the ship and then fight not turning back into the turn I just fixed. I was so glad to break out on the approach and see the runway. So, I get it, totally!
Great video, this should be required viewing in all ground schools. Totally agree with Christy and Joe about the large format landscape orientation PFDs. Even better are the ones that have synthetic vision.
My worst case of spatial disorientation occurred departing LAX at night off of 25R in an MD-80. The weather was moonless, crystal clear with an onshore breeze that made the visibility 40 miles plus...perfect weather. The plane is pitched up close to 20 degrees into a bright star night with the shoreline passing by and we enter a turn to the left...everything that was lit up rolled in our vision, it appeared the stars rolled and the city lights on the shoreline rolled....I yelled to my First Officer..."I have vertigo you have it" and he replied "I have vertigo too" so I yelled "Autopilot on" and we both sat there and shook our heads to get "straightened out". As soon as we were vectored back to the shoreline we were back to "normal" ...but we let George continue the flight. My other really "bad" case was approaching the equator over the Pacific in daytime and there was a cloud deck that appeared to slope higher to the left and lower to the right where it was clear. I looked up and got the "leans" so bad that although on autopilot, I just looked down and stayed in the cockpit for a minute to avoid looking at the "sloping" horizon. Absolutely loved this presentation by Joe using the lazy Susan.
A good analogy for non-flyers is driving in the fog, studies show that that speed increases when people should really be slowing down because drivers have nothing to focus on, and because you're trying to see and get your eyes on something you not looking at the speedometer. I wonder how much under the hood training is being done. In the old days we had a plastic hood we wore that only allowed us to see the control panel and use the instruments to keep the plane flying right regardless of what t your body is telling you.
Very interesting and professional contribution about spatial disorientation. I understand the cause and the subject of this and what happens to the affected person. But as an experienced professional pilot commercial and IFR rated you should know about this subject before it hits on you. You learn how to trust your instruments, putting off your head with regard to illusions. Right? It’s interesting, that it still can happen to professionals who fly several hundred IFR hours day and night. Although the pilot is trained and even knows it. The instrument literally dies not lie in 99% of those situations. You have several references in the cockpit. This special King Air case is known as the pilot had some serious issues in passing several tests in the past. I get it with a VFR pilot at knight. Thats a serious issue. But trained certified IFR Pilot should do better. Right? An interesting podcast with professional pilots. The key is to know the techniques to get out of this situation safe. That’s the point, where a lot of concerned trainings should be taken to prevent this. I am only VFR, so I am not a professional IFR expert. 😊❤
Great briefing guys. It is good to hear young Army pilots cover one of the same old problems like spacial disorientation. I flew 400 hours IMC in Hueys without any autopilot, but as Casey pointed out the other pilot is a Godsend. With less power and ADF only before they installed VOR in many National Guard Hueys, we spent a lot of each 2.5 hour fuel load in the clouds on low altitude airways (brown not blue.) So we experienced one thing you guys did not cover: puking. Yes we trusted our instruments, but even with sharing the stick time sickness could happen after several IMC legs. How much did I trust my instruments? Driving near Pagosa Springs to my wife's parents for Christmas in a very bad snow storm, I got vertigo. I had to pull over and let my wife drive. She protested until I explained what would happen. Anyway, Casey covered all the main points very well. Thanks guys.
Yes! I have flown in a Army Hewey on a test flight with a hooded pilot. So the practice required him to fly with instruments. Not easy!
Vertigo is an awful thing to suffer from - I have a fear of heights too. They are completely separate things. Having both is a real issue for me. I cant drive over road bridges so I take the long way round.
Hello from Minnesota! Great interview!
Great approach to this important topic. Thank you
This is excellent content, thank you so much!
👍✅ Joe always explains complex subjects so well 👏
Excellent podcast Dan. Definitely a great throwback to a very important topic. Joe always does an amazing job of explaining and demonstrating the things he is talking about. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies my friend 🇺🇸🛩️
I still remember when I flew a Warrior in hard, single pilot IMC for an hour and a half with no AP. I experienced all the things you talked about. Look away from the primary instruments too long and I’d find myself in a 30* bank. Right the ship and then fight not turning back into the turn I just fixed. I was so glad to break out on the approach and see the runway. So, I get it, totally!
Great video, this should be required viewing in all ground schools. Totally agree with Christy and Joe about the large format landscape orientation PFDs. Even better are the ones that have synthetic vision.
Great explanation for us non-pilots. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
My worst case of spatial disorientation occurred departing LAX at night off of 25R in an MD-80. The weather was moonless, crystal clear with an onshore breeze that made the visibility 40 miles plus...perfect weather. The plane is pitched up close to 20 degrees into a bright star night with the shoreline passing by and we enter a turn to the left...everything that was lit up rolled in our vision, it appeared the stars rolled and the city lights on the shoreline rolled....I yelled to my First Officer..."I have vertigo you have it" and he replied "I have vertigo too" so I yelled "Autopilot on" and we both sat there and shook our heads to get "straightened out". As soon as we were vectored back to the shoreline we were back to "normal" ...but we let George continue the flight.
My other really "bad" case was approaching the equator over the Pacific in daytime and there was a cloud deck that appeared to slope higher to the left and lower to the right where it was clear. I looked up and got the "leans" so bad that although on autopilot, I just looked down and stayed in the cockpit for a minute to avoid looking at the "sloping" horizon. Absolutely loved this presentation by Joe using the lazy Susan.
A good analogy for non-flyers is driving in the fog, studies show that that speed increases when people should really be slowing down because drivers have nothing to focus on, and because you're trying to see and get your eyes on something you not looking at the speedometer. I wonder how much under the hood training is being done. In the old days we had a plastic hood we wore that only allowed us to see the control panel and use the instruments to keep the plane flying right regardless of what t your body is telling you.
Very interesting and professional contribution about spatial disorientation. I understand the cause and the subject of this and what happens to the affected person. But as an experienced professional pilot commercial and IFR rated you should know about this subject before it hits on you. You learn how to trust your instruments, putting off your head with regard to illusions. Right? It’s interesting, that it still can happen to professionals who fly several hundred IFR hours day and night. Although the pilot is trained and even knows it. The instrument literally dies not lie in 99% of those situations. You have several references in the cockpit. This special King Air case is known as the pilot had some serious issues in passing several tests in the past. I get it with a VFR pilot at knight. Thats a serious issue. But trained certified IFR Pilot should do better. Right? An interesting podcast with professional pilots. The key is to know the techniques to get out of this situation safe. That’s the point, where a lot of concerned trainings should be taken to prevent this. I am only VFR, so I am not a professional IFR expert. 😊❤
You have to be strong like a boxer. keep fighting even when body is telling you to obey it and not the reality.
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why are you sitting so far away from each other?
This one is from the archives, and was filmed in March 2020.
You need to clean your library. Get to one month out.
@@clarencewiles963this is a timeless topic.