I think that (for me) this is the best film in the trilogy. It felt more emotional, with all the debate about whether Wayne needs Batman, and the lack of comedy and lunacy in the villain made him feel like more of a threat to Gotham.
It was also a truly heroic and uplifting film. When the cops cried and charged in retaliation against Bane and his men you really wanted to cry and charge with them.
As I'm watching this with just audio it's funny that Kermode mentions the fact that it's harder to interpret what a person says without being able to see their lips move.
What's going on? The website said these two aren't on 'til Sunday afternoon! I tuned in anyway today at 2pm and there were two other people talking about something completely different!
@5:35 . I think Kermode is bang on there. Bane and ras al Ghul can both be seen as the dark side of batman's vigilantism ,his ideals taken to their logical cold extreme end. .
But you're proving my point. If some guy like Batman and the Joker existed it would be hard to take them seriously. Who can take seriously someone dressed as a bat? And the Superman movies didn't try to make him realistic, let alone "dark and gritty and brooding".
I might have been a bit harsh in my last post because it is a tight,intelligent comic based film that blows all other comic related films out of the water apart from Batman Begins & The Dark Knight!
They stay well within the moderate level that a comic movie should be. Not goofy but not Shakespear either. Consider the 90's animated series. tghe best representation of Batman ever done. The Burton movies are closest to that than the Nolan ones.
As a MASSIVE Batman comic book & 'Nolan fan,I've got to say the hype ruined it for me,by no means is it a bad film but it didn't live up to Batman Begins(the best comic character film ever IMO)It's not as good as The Dark Knight.I'm going to buy it as soon as the DVD comes out 'cause I want to give it another chance & it is a good film,just not the awsome achievment every other 'Nolan film I've seen like Memento,The Prestige,Inception & his 1st 2 Bat' films.I still urge everybody 2 go & see it.
yes, but the whole thing comes ultimately largely from Frank Miller. Too many people think that that kind of Batman is the "true one", when it isn't so.
Continued. I certainly don't think it was empty. It was certainly the most emotional of the three because the stakes were so high, although I still think the Joker is a high point of the trilogy for sheer leftfield characterisation. All the characters in TDKR have rounded character arcs, even though in the case of two (I won't say for spoiler purposes) I didn't personally like where they went - at least they went somewhere. Poorly written, boring and empty, it is not. Best of the trilogy? 2nd.
You want to make a complex movie about a guy who dresses as a bat? Fine. But don't put down those who decide to make a more appropriate movie about it, one that doesn't take it-self too seriously. The first Superman movie (1978) was superb precisely because it didn't try to make a guy in a cape who flies as being realistic. It treated a comic book character as a comic book character.
But Batman ISN'T a literary character, he's a guy who dresses up like a bat. One shouldn't take him too seriously. Burton's Batman did just that, give good story and action without trying to be something that Batman can never ever be, which is Shakespeare.
What spoiled much of the movie for me was the discomfort in knowing that at some point, any point, when I least expected it, Anne Hathaway would appear on the screen again with that thin head and annoying voice of hers (all with the underlying tone that she fucking loves herself).
You know, some of us aren't brainless sheep who think that everything has to be "dark gritty brooding" to be good. Some of us are bright enough to realize that it's a comic book about a guy dressed as a bat. If you want "dark gritty brooding" stick to Abel Ferrara films. Burton atleast knew he was dealing with a comic book about a guy dressed as a bat. Maybe you need to grow up and stop being a 17 year old obsessed with "dark gritty brooding" things because they're "so cool and kick-ass man!"
"dark brooding". How silly. It's a guy dressed as a bat, just how "dark and brooding" should it be? Tim Burton's film was the best precisely because it struck a good balance of serious and not-too-serious.
The Star Wars prequels were terrible because of poor writing and poor direction, which meant that the actors could not get to grips with the lines. Transformers is just boring, even though it's meant to be exciting. I can't agree with you, unfortunately, when you say that TDKR is a poorly written mess on the level of those films. Whether you like the way it ends or not, I think that it does tie up most loose ends in an appropriate way and I don't think the writing was poor. To be continued.
For part of this film I was irritated, for another part upset; but mostly I was just bored. My feeling is that Christopher Nolan essentially hoodwinks his audiences, and no one in a generation will consider this a good piece of cinema in any respect. It's obnoxious, self-indulgent and tonally confused. Quick test: try imagining any 30 seconds of the film without the heavy, "THIS IS SIGNIFICANT, DAMMIT" soundtrack-- the audience would most likely laugh or just scratch their heads. A self-parody.
No, it would be a joke, to both criminals and police. A guy dressed as a bat would be dead within minutes by criminals. A "realistic" Batman doesn't work. And Superman giving up his powers wasn't realistic. The whole movie was a fantasy movie, nothing ultra-real about it. Again, you can't make "real" out of fantasy.
I think that (for me) this is the best film in the trilogy. It felt more emotional, with all the debate about whether Wayne needs Batman, and the lack of comedy and lunacy in the villain made him feel like more of a threat to Gotham.
It was also a truly heroic and uplifting film. When the cops cried and charged in retaliation against Bane and his men you really wanted to cry and charge with them.
As I'm watching this with just audio it's funny that Kermode mentions the fact that it's harder to interpret what a person says without being able to see their lips move.
I was just about to write that myself.
The fist fight between Batman and Bane in the middle was incredible. I almost felt Batmans pain lol
Kermode I thought I knew you, I thought we had an understanding. Things will never be the same between us again.
15:10 You get as excited as at Christmas when your e-mail gets read out on Wittertainment :)
watching this film I was really reminded of the tagline from Scott Pilgrim vs. The World: "An epic of epic epicness" lol
:)
What's going on? The website said these two aren't on 'til Sunday afternoon! I tuned in anyway today at 2pm and there were two other people talking about something completely different!
@5:35 . I think Kermode is bang on there. Bane and ras al Ghul can both be seen as the dark side of batman's vigilantism ,his ideals taken to their logical cold extreme end. .
apparently they had to change the schedule due the sad events in Denver but the podcast is nonetheless available!!
Batman fakes his death
i´ll let you know what i think tomorrow..;)
But you're proving my point. If some guy like Batman and the Joker existed it would be hard to take them seriously. Who can take seriously someone dressed as a bat?
And the Superman movies didn't try to make him realistic, let alone "dark and gritty and brooding".
The Dark Knight Rises is a satisfying conclusion of a great trilogy! deserve the word EPIC 10/10
I might have been a bit harsh in my last post because it is a tight,intelligent comic based film that blows all other comic related films out of the water apart from Batman Begins & The Dark Knight!
Again I repeat: it's a guy dressed a a bat.
They stay well within the moderate level that a comic movie should be. Not goofy but not Shakespear either.
Consider the 90's animated series. tghe best representation of Batman ever done. The Burton movies are closest to that than the Nolan ones.
As a MASSIVE Batman comic book & 'Nolan fan,I've got to say the hype ruined it for me,by no means is it a bad film but it didn't live up to Batman Begins(the best comic character film ever IMO)It's not as good as The Dark Knight.I'm going to buy it as soon as the DVD comes out 'cause I want to give it another chance & it is a good film,just not the awsome achievment every other 'Nolan film I've seen like Memento,The Prestige,Inception & his 1st 2 Bat' films.I still urge everybody 2 go & see it.
is that zoe ball?
Yes
As opposed to your insightful well-reasoned post, right?
I've already made my point repeatedly.
yes, but the whole thing comes ultimately largely from Frank Miller.
Too many people think that that kind of Batman is the "true one", when it isn't so.
Continued. I certainly don't think it was empty. It was certainly the most emotional of the three because the stakes were so high, although I still think the Joker is a high point of the trilogy for sheer leftfield characterisation. All the characters in TDKR have rounded character arcs, even though in the case of two (I won't say for spoiler purposes) I didn't personally like where they went - at least they went somewhere. Poorly written, boring and empty, it is not. Best of the trilogy? 2nd.
Zoe Ball is well fit.
Wally Fister and his unforgettable Naked Lesbian Amphibians 3D
You want to make a complex movie about a guy who dresses as a bat? Fine.
But don't put down those who decide to make a more appropriate movie about it, one that doesn't take it-self too seriously.
The first Superman movie (1978) was superb precisely because it didn't try to make a guy in a cape who flies as being realistic. It treated a comic book character as a comic book character.
or maybe someone's opinion simply differs to yours
Saw it at midnight. Felt really let down :( Still a good movie though, not a great movie.
Finish the occasional sentence Zoe FFS.
But Batman ISN'T a literary character, he's a guy who dresses up like a bat. One shouldn't take him too seriously.
Burton's Batman did just that, give good story and action without trying to be something that Batman can never ever be, which is Shakespeare.
What spoiled much of the movie for me was the discomfort in knowing that at some point, any point, when I least expected it, Anne Hathaway would appear on the screen again with that thin head and annoying voice of hers (all with the underlying tone that she fucking loves herself).
Anatidaephobia: Dhe fear dhat somewhere, somehow, a duck is watching you.
I think he was referring to the goofy Inception ending.
It's just a poorly written mess on the level of the Star wars prequels. it was just empty.
You know, some of us aren't brainless sheep who think that everything has to be "dark gritty brooding" to be good. Some of us are bright enough to realize that it's a comic book about a guy dressed as a bat. If you want "dark gritty brooding" stick to Abel Ferrara films.
Burton atleast knew he was dealing with a comic book about a guy dressed as a bat.
Maybe you need to grow up and stop being a 17 year old obsessed with "dark gritty brooding" things because they're "so cool and kick-ass man!"
Robin takes Batman's place after he fakes his death. Spoiler Alert
"dark brooding".
How silly. It's a guy dressed as a bat, just how "dark and brooding" should it be?
Tim Burton's film was the best precisely because it struck a good balance of serious and not-too-serious.
Burton's is better than nolan's
The Star Wars prequels were terrible because of poor writing and poor direction, which meant that the actors could not get to grips with the lines. Transformers is just boring, even though it's meant to be exciting. I can't agree with you, unfortunately, when you say that TDKR is a poorly written mess on the level of those films. Whether you like the way it ends or not, I think that it does tie up most loose ends in an appropriate way and I don't think the writing was poor. To be continued.
For part of this film I was irritated, for another part upset; but mostly I was just bored. My feeling is that Christopher Nolan essentially hoodwinks his audiences, and no one in a generation will consider this a good piece of cinema in any respect. It's obnoxious, self-indulgent and tonally confused. Quick test: try imagining any 30 seconds of the film without the heavy, "THIS IS SIGNIFICANT, DAMMIT" soundtrack-- the audience would most likely laugh or just scratch their heads. A self-parody.
No, it would be a joke, to both criminals and police. A guy dressed as a bat would be dead within minutes by criminals. A "realistic" Batman doesn't work.
And Superman giving up his powers wasn't realistic. The whole movie was a fantasy movie, nothing ultra-real about it.
Again, you can't make "real" out of fantasy.
it bored me,its meh