THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY 4K REVIEW - BATMAN BEGINS, THE DARK KNIGHT, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Review of the 4K box set of Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. Exceptional image quality on all three with The Dark Knight Rises being the pick of the bunch owing to about a third of the film being shot on 15/70mm IMAX and included in this as a slightly cropped 1.78:1 image as opposed to the anamorphic 35mm (and some VistaVision) for the rest of the film which is 2.40:1. The Dark Knight also has some IMAX scenes and done in the same format. Batman Begins was all shot in anamorphic 35mm with some Super 35, presumably for special effects shots that were then completed in a computer. Sound on all three films is remarkable and is DTS-HD 5.1. In all three cases, the 4K discs are perceptibly superior to the Blu-ray discs in this pack with the stand out feature being HDR again. This review includes an update to my review of Tim Burton's 1989 Batman and in particular the 35mm teaser trailer which has been to a lab for a 4K scan.
Clark Teddles is the young film reviewer I mention at the end of this video and his Apocalypse Now review can be seen here: • Apocalypse Now (1979) ...
Leon at Leon Talks Film is the other youngster who I've mentioned in previous reviews and his channel is here: / @leontalksstuff
Appreciate this review👏 I went to see The Dark Knight at the IMAX in Waterloo when it first came out and it was breathtaking. It was also the only movie I’ve been to where the audience gave a standing ovation at the end, which was quite something. The IMAX experience was extraordinary and this 4K disc and audio is as close as we will ever get to that. The audio mix in the 4K disc is wonderful and I cannot fault the image quality
Well when they do a re-release of the second and third films at the Waterloo IMAX Darth, I'll see you there and even if it's just the pair of us at the end, we'll give them a standing ovation! John.
How stupid when people clap at the end of a movie....much less Stand up? Morons! What is Nolan in your graces and if so who cares
Thanks for the shout-out John and much obliged again for the very kind loan of the '89 trailer!
Quite an adventure Stephen. And what a great story to be able to include in a 4K review video. I can't imagine stories like that have been included very often before on UA-cam. John.
Yes, that trailer scan looks marvellous! I'd love to talk to both of you about this scan and others (I've just added Alien to my channel, in case you're interested) - please drop me a line at jonnoff@googlemail.com if you have a chance.
This channel has such class. Can't say I agree with you on the merits of most films, as you seem to like a lot of movies I don't, but your breakdowns of the technical aspects are just so engrossing and enjoyably presented. Look forward to all of them, weather I like the actual film or not.
You'll have to let me know some of your most favoured films Krommer and I'll see if I can take a closer look at one or two of those over time.
John.
They're such a solid trilogy & their transfers to 4K are equally as solid. My order of preference are in their release order - The first was a game changer in the Superhero genre that unfortunately turned into what Marvel is today, but it makes this Batman saga more special imo.
& good on you for helping out other UA-camrs 👍
Thank you Nick. Three very good films indeed and I suspect Christopher Nolan is responsible for making IMAX mainstream. Just a shame that not all IMAX cinemas are really IMAX. The same thing happened with Cinerama and where is that today? John.
Breath of fresh air to hear someone like Rises over the first two. Love it! Great review!
Look through the comments Todd and you'll find there are a lot of us who think it's the best of the three films. John.
Watched most of your 4k reviews now John and I can say you enchant.. Your delivery and knowledge is spot on. Well done Sir!👍
Kind of you to say so. Thank you. John.
Good on you John for helping the boy.
He's a lovely lad Mark - actually both those young chaps are lovely lads - and it will be good if they are encouraged to keep going for many years as they'll get better and better as their experience increases. There's nothing like having to think about a film for a review to make you see things in a film that you never would have noticed before. John.
That was great. I will be sure to check out their reviews as well!
@@andreasoberg2021 Thank you Andreas. Leon and Clark are both doing very well with Clark having only started up recently so it will be good if he gets a bit of a boost. John.
@@moviecollector5920 You sir strongly resemble the late great Peter Cushing, you have the best reviews on UA-cam I've ever seen ,
What a gentleman you are John offering help and advice to other up and coming young UA-camr movie reviewers. 👍🏻
I like to see people doing well Cheekster. Always have and always will. John.
A Masterpiece Trilogy, indeed.
Excellent review by the way, all relevant information an enthusiast needs to know!
Sorry, I thought I was being asked about The Shining! Please excuse all the claptrap I just typed up.
Yes, The Dark Knight series are three excellent films. That wasn't the case with the original Batman films which only had one great film as far as I am concerned.
Now then, if you want to discuss the ending of The Shining!!!!
John.
The practical effects in these films are soooo amazing.
I know the difference between watching this trilogy and marvel films is ridiculous! Whilst there are mostly great SFX some are just laughably noticeable green screen in marvel
@@agoogle6454 I can just imagine the review of Black Panther in 4K where the final act has 2 Killmonger and BP dolls punching each other against a green screen.
Why doesn’t Disney render the SFX in 4K anyway, it’s not like they can’t afford it? I know they filmed on Arri Alexa minis which are capable of 4K and are what were used in Joker which looks excellent so I have no idea why they don’t release the films as shot.
@@agoogle6454 because it’s cheaper.😢. Batman v superman was one laughable climax. And the new dc and marvel movies are not really overwelming because you know they’re fake.
It's also the processing time of producing the cartoon parts in 4K. It takes four times as long apparently and that would undoubtedly have ramifications on the scheduled release dates. But as for the special effects in these three Dark Knight films, that's the way to do it! Practical effects that are then drawn over in the computer afterwards. It's the best solution if it can be afforded. John.
@@moviecollector5920 true. And todays cgi in 4k wouldn’t be as convincing as in 2k I think.
Saw The Dark Knight Rises at the Waterloo IMAX, the only time I’ve ever been, and I still remember it vividly, emblazoned in my visual memory. Living in rural Scotland has its benefits but the lack of an IMAX cinema is not one of them.
I believe there used to be a genuine IMAX in Glasgow but they gave up on the format thinking the low quality 4K video projector would be an upgrade. I think there were two others in Britain that made the same mistake but apparently there are plans to re-open Bradford with genuine IMAX shortly. The BFI IMAX are going to get the only 15/70 print in the UK for the DUNE Sequel but that won't look quite as good as a genuine 15/70 film as this one was shot entirely on 4K video so the print is a blow-up from that. It should give a more natural presentation than any cinema that video projects it though.
John.
I love the tie you wore. A subtle touch! :-D
I never particularly liked wearing ties to work but fun ones like this, Spider-Man, Star Trek and Star Wars made wearing a tie more appealing even if my bosses tended to frown a little. John.
I agree with you. The Dark Knight Rises is the best of the DK trilogy.
And I much prefer the 1989 Tim Burton film. That was such a groundbreaking movie because it introduced us to modern era superhero films.
I suppose Superman The Movie got there the year before but the 1989 Batman was a different kind of film to Superman. Both are great films that have stood the test of time and I think Christopher Nolan's films will too. Sam Raimi's Spider-man films also but that's about it in terms of the superhero films I've seen. John.
@@moviecollector5920 d'oh! You are correct. I had a brain fart. Of course Superman was the beginning of modern day superhero films. Cheers.
Wow, thank you so so very much for the shoutout, I have murder on the orient express on 4K coming in a few days so I will be sure to review that, I tried out DaVinci resolve and I think after 2 hours of tutorials, I have the hang of it. Thank you soo soo much for the shoutout, it really means a lot! I only own the dark knight on 4K but I will definitely buy the rest of the series to review in the future! thank you so soo much and hope you have an amazing rest of your day. Clark.
I'm glad you like the little plug for your channel Clark. Murder on the Orient Express is a bit like Apocalypse Now in that it's not really a film that a younger audience is likely to fully appreciate but if the image quality is anywhere near as good on your system as it is on mine then you won't care if you don't particularly like the film because it's simply a marvel to look at. The cast is unparalleled, an acting masterclass and a classic Agatha Christie story in a confined environment in which you get to know who all the characters are. The follow up 'Death on the Nile' is out here in October and there are going to be 70mm prints so I'll be heading to London. If you can find a cinema that is going to screen it in 70mm it could be a good bit of research for you to see what you think of the best film format. If you can get into the projection booth too then you'll be in for a real treat so never be embarrassed to ask if you can go and see the film projection equipment at work. Some cinemas are pleased that people are interested so it is possible to get into there on occasion, particularly if the projectionist appreciates the attention.
Black Magic Design Davinci Resolve is full of things that can catch you out so it might mean some disappointments and occasions when you have to start all over again but the results can be as good as anything you'll ever see. The main thing to beware of is that you need a super computer to run the latest version and the second thing to beware of is that you must set the correct frame rate before you start editing because it can't be changed after you start and if you do get it wrong the end product will have image stagger due to frames being dropped. In other words, shoot in NTSC at 23.97 frames per second (or PAL at 25fps or NTSC at 29.97fps) and ensure the Davinci Resolve file is set to the same frame rate before doing anything. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Love your youtube channel :) You have so much knowledge, just curious and how you don't mind me asking but How old are you? I am 28 and love movies , I try to go to the cinema at least 3 times a year
@@moviecollector5920 I have already been looking at the website for my theatre that I saw 2001 on 70mm and they dont have any plans for death of a nile yet but since they love showing 70mm film, it is almost certain that they will show it. I cant wait to review orient express on 4K and then eventually death of a nile compared to the 70mm screening (although comparing 70mm screenings to a 4K disc is like comparing a pinch of dirt to a fancy car). I have already suffered the consequences of not having the right frame rate on davinci resolve haha, had to delete a lot of work but it was all fun. the next time there is a 70mm screening at my local film theatre I will definitely ask if I could see the projectionist booth, its a dream job of mine to be a projectionist and I am currently in the search for a 35mm projector. Clark.
The original Orient Express? Awesome film
@@michaelhawkins7389 Well I'm a lot older than you Michael but I pretty much gave up on cinema in the early 2000s. 35mm print quality had taken a bit of a hit towards the end of the 90s and then that deterioration continued until video projection was foisted on the premiere theatres to help convince an unsuspecting public that 'digital' was superior. It was a terrible time for cinema and it wasn't helped by all the low quality computer effects being added to films. I tend to only go to the cinema now when I can get to one of the few real IMAX cinemas and I know they're screening a real [reeel] film but video projection has improved vastly since those bad times. 'Death on the Nile' is getting a 70mm release in October though so I'll be able to go back to one of the premiere cinemas in Leicester Square when that one's out. John.
I haven't got any of these on 4k yet but watching this review i will look into purchasing all 3 thanks so much.
I think you'll have a great time with them Tom. For me the best was saved for last but that was helped by having more genuine IMAX shots in it than the second film. The first film is 35mm only if I remember correctly but it still looks great. John.
Great review once again John! Glad to see you enjoyed all three of these films so much. If you enjoyed the imax sequences in these films, you should definitely check out the remastered version of Batman V Superman in 4K, and Zack Snyder’s Justice League. Both feature the original IMAX aspect ratios for home video and weren’t cropped, which makes it very interesting.
Yes, I think I'd better give it a while longer before I finally look at Batman vs. Superman. I didn't like Man of Steel but I can see why it was made the way it was and it's great that people are making films for youngsters like that. Unfortunately, my preference is for the original comic style and films where you can see what is actually happening: that's not meant to be a criticism but I stopped playing computer games 30 years ago and Man of Steel was so fast it looked to me like it was aimed at gamers. If that film and his later films get youngsters into cinemas I'm all for it. John.
What a fantastic review. I really appreciate how much love given to The Dark Knight Rises.
I think THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is the best of the three films but I do need to watch them all again sometime to check my first time appraisal. I think shooting so much more genuine IMAX 70mm for the third film helped me to enjoy it even more than I would have done so that's probably a big factor for me.
John.
Great video. I really like your take on trilogy. Chris Nolan would appreciate your understanding of the film formats too. Thanks for a making such interesting and fun UA-cam content.
It's been fun making them Iain so thank you for taking the time to boost my morale. John.
Excellent review - most helpful - have had the Blue Rays for years but will pick up the 4K now I understand why. Your videos are really informative. Thanks.
I hope you like 'em as much as I did James. I'd avoided them for years after the sequels to the 1989 Batman film turned it all into a bit of a farce. The Nolan Dark Knight films were a revelation and even better to see them in these amazing 4K presentations.
John.
You have a really great channel, very genuine and knowledgeable and you seem to care a lot about the film community, keep it up!
Thank you Jordan. Today I'm putting a review of the 4K of The Shining together but it may take more than just today as these videos often take several days to complete. John.
love the elephant man 4k in the background! i have the same one.
I was lucky to get that Elephant Man 4K as it had been sat on the shelf in the Plymouth branch of HMV for about six months at the time I purchased it and sold out everywhere else. What a great film. I do have a review of it up here somewhere now that I think about it.
John.
Love it! Thanks for creating great content!
I always love your comments - so thank you! John.
Thanks for sharing John i always liked The Dark Knight.
I'd avoided this films until now and the badgering I got from film fans after my 1989 Batman review. A little badgering worked out well this time around! John.
I’m glad people like you still exist, Thank you.
Me too!!! Thanks Muhammad. John.
Can't wait to see what's next. You are really filling a void in film criticism and appreciation and it's delightful to watch.
The Shining is the next plan. That means a look at a few other Stephen King book adaptations can also be mentioned. I also plan to say what my favourite of those adaptations is and I would be surprised if anyone would ever guess it. John.
Excellent john glad you enjoyed the trilogy Christopher Nolan is one of my favorites don’t know if you seen the prestige if you have not definitely put it on your shortlist I have it on Blu-ray and I can’t wait to get it on 4K one of my favorite films it has an incredible cast including the late great David Bowie. Really nice of you helping the young man out already looking forward to the next one have a great one👍
I will be getting The Prestige now. Strewth, I'll even give Inception another try now and that's saying something!!! John.
@@moviecollector5920 Fantastic john i’ll try to get a copy myself it was available here in the states in the Nolan box set and now it can be got individually but unfortunately it’s extremely expensive for instants I just picked up about two weeks ago the Batman trilogy on 4K for $35.99 us and the prestige is $39.99 crazy but that’s how it goes. Looking forward to talking with you about the prestige hoping the 4K will be well done but the movie itself will be interesting to talk aboutHave a good day🙂🙂👍
Wow, I love your content, but you shouting out for other channels is great. You might be the most wholesome guy on youtube.
I enjoy watching other people talk about movies and if I can help some of them, that's a pleasure too. John.
Another brilliant video John. Well done.
I can remember taking days off work to go and see The Dark Knight at the old IMAX at millennium point in Birmingham which isn't there anymore sadly and The Dark Knight Rises at Londons BFI IMAX with my family on there release days. Two of the best cinematic experiences I've ever had. Batman Begins I saw on release day after sitting my last ever exam before I left school so all 3 films are very nostalgic for me.
Keep up the great work 👍
I should have joined you for the screening of 'Rises' at the Waterloo IMAX Ben. Maybe one day we'll get some sort of 70mm festival in central London and we can all book into the Travelodge on the corner of Shaftesbury Avenue/High Holborn and Drury Lane for a few days movie goggling on the best formats available to man today. Maybe October will see the new Bond in IMAX and Death on the Nile at the Odeon in 70mm. John.
@@moviecollector5920 sounds great to me! They regularly show The Dark Knight trilogy at the Waterloo (or at least have done in previous years) so keep your eyes peeled. There well worth seeing in the format
You know, I find it difficult to pick a favourite from the three films. They are each tonally different and bring their own differences to the story. This boxset is a delight and I simply treat the three films as one 7 and a half hour movie 👍🏽
I think that's perfect summing up Coyley... they are one long movie. We watched one per night over three nights and after the first film we were really looking forward to getting into the cinema over the next two evenings. That's a blooming good sign if you ask me. John.
@@trevorml1362 That’s just your opinion, my friend. I think it’s great.
@@trevorml1362 It seems to be the most popular from the people who have commented on here. It has the biggest scale of the three films and has the best ending so that probably has a bearing. But next time a lot of us watch the trio we might have a different opinion. Although having said that, the IMAX 70mm ensures that last film is always going to be a little extra special even on our 4K home videos. John.
Picked up the set today from HMV (always! - not Amazon) just checked out the Bane vs Batman fight and this 4k just makes a great film and fight greater. Thanks again.
That third film is just about as perfect as you can see on video. I really should take another look and compare it more closely to Tenet and Murder on the Orient Express because I suspect it's up there with them.
My next video will actually be an HMV tour James. The new shop in Newbury and it's going to be rather good I think.
John.
The Dark Knight Rises is my favourite of the trilogy as well, though of course I like all three films. I have the 4K Nolan Collection, but not a great setup - visual or audio - to show off the quality these copies have to offer.
You've earned yourself a new subscriber - not my first video of yours, mind you!
Thank you Benjamin. I don't think you need to spend too much to really enjoy modern Blu-ray and 4K discs but a decent pair of speakers for stereo sound can make a big difference. I know we can tend to get a bit obsessive over having the latest thing but I tend to watch anything on our television screen with just a stereo amplifier driving a pair of speakers we've had for over 25 years and they still sound perfect. I have loads of JBL Control 1G speakers on other systems and they are tiny so a pair of those and a stereo amplifier would only cost about £150 in total. Then again, you might already have something better than that so just ignore me!
The Dark Knight films in 4K should look beautiful on anything. Particularly the sequences shot on 70mm IMAX film. John.
Nolan filming things practically is really something. This was a must have trilogy for me as soon as I got a 4K projector. Great review as always John. Look forward to whatever you've got next.
Despite the money that was thrown at these films, they still had to work out how to do it all and I think they did better than anyone could have hoped. What a series of achievements these films were and an advert to modern superhero film makers today... do them practically!!! John.
@@moviecollector5920 I agree. The more they do practically the better it looks. Nolan is great at this. Unfortunately I think a lot of blockbuster movies will include a heavy use of CGI. Understandable I some instances, but not all!
@@KeepYaHeadUpTS I think we have to accept that cinema audiences today are predominantly made up of younger patrons and that market has to be catered for. Computer generated imagery in general is what they want to see I think. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Perhaps so John and I personally don't mind some CGI in films... just enhances everything in my opinion when they try and do it practically, even if only partly
@@KeepYaHeadUpTS Agreed!
Another great video, John.
The Dark Knight for me was the first time I saw 70mm Imax in person and it was at the Imax in London's Waterloo...That first shot where you are flying towards the building where the bank robbers fire the hook out the window blew my mind, and it was the same for everyone as you heard an audible gasp from everyone in the theatre as it appeared on the screen..by the end of that opening bank robbery scene I just couldn't believe what I'd just seen. I wanted it played again and again as did many others too.
I did end up going back to see the film again not long after😁😁
And since Christopher Nolan's film there have been many others to make the most of IMAX... but most of them have been by Nolan himself. Interstellar was probably the most awe inspiring cinematic experience I've ever had and I want to have it again. That too was on the 90 foot wide screen at Waterloo, a genuine IMAX theatre. Doesn't always run film though so you need to check. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yes, I agree about the film at that theatre...I've seen other movies like Transformers(fake imax) and The Polar Express 3D(fake imax) there and nothing compares to the real thing.
Hi sir just for record the team supervised by Steve begg shot almost all vfx elements and miniatures on 35mm/8p vistavision on BATMAN BEGINS and Super35mm was used sparringly just for above 120fps High speed shots.
Brilliant information Saliha, thank you. Hopefully what you've said can actually be comprehended by many who have been following my channel for a while now. Thank you again.
John.
I got this boxset also and I like all three films, the dark knight rises I was lucky enough to see at IMAX south bank. What a treat that was. I'm with on the Tim Burton film John, for it has that gothic comic book feel about it. Good review as always. Keep em coming.
Good morning Stephen. It seems that there's roughly an even split between all three films with regards to which we think is the best. But it seems some people were turned off the third film because of a critic who detailed all the plot holes which proliferate throughout all three films. I don't care because they're comic books brought to life and although they lack the 'gothic' look of the 1989 film, they're so spectacular you can't help but to like them. John.
Really enjoyed this video review, I'm going to have to get these movies now after seeing this. Many thanks for sharing this with us all.
They are pretty terrific Batman films Stephen but even if you don't particularly care for them, the image quality and the sound are special enough. The third film has so much that was shot in 70mm IMAX that it's a bit of a treasure really. John.
Just came across your channel and I love it! Thanks for doing such great work with these reviews!
Good to have you here and thank you for taking the time to comment. John.
excellent review as ever thank you
A rather enjoyable review to make of three very good Batman films. What a surprise they were. John.
I thought The Dark Knight Rises was great when I saw it at the cinema, but when I tried to rewatch it at home the plot holes and convoluted contrivences were very apparent and I struggled to get through it.
Batman Begins is the best of the trilogy in my opinion, but Keaton's 89 remains my favourite.
We're almost on the same hymn sheet but maybe after I watch all three a second time we'll be completely on the same hymn sheet. The ending in 'Rises' is excellent though and that makes a big difference for me. John.
@Newsbender Fortunately I didn't notice the bad American accents but I know what you mean because I tend to notice bad English accents! I actually thought Katie Holmes was good in the role of the girlfriend. I'm do like Maggie Gyllenhaal but she didn't seem to work so well in the same role for me. Whatever, no one has ever come up to Margot Kidder's standard but she was specifically created to play Lois Lane. John.
I feel like Batman Returns is so slept on.
@@TheLWebb100 I didn't like that sequel. Had a dirty feel to it for some reason but I haven't seen it for years so I may find my opinion has changed now. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I picked it up on 4k and the HDR is great in it. The Xmas decorations around Gotham and Batman and Catwomans suits look great. But yeah overall I feel like the performances by everyone was underrated imo, especially Devito.
I love that Nolan uses imax I just wish the 35mm was open matt instead of anamorphic 2.39. It's almost like Nolan wants to make sure we know when he switches back and forth . Great review!
Dark Knight for me. I heard Nolan re-rendered the effect shots at 4K (originally 2k), for the 4K release. Usually they don't do that, so that's another reason why the effect look better too. Another great review John, keep em coming!
Soon there will be computer processing that will be able to cope with rendering larger file sizes easily and all this 2K nonsense will be a thing of the past. But it's been a difficult time for those of us who love the cinema because the downturn in picture quality that occurred towards the end of the 1990s is still not fully sorted yet. Thank Gawd for people like Christopher Nolan and Kenneth Branagh who have the power to insist on 70mm and 15/70 IMAX. John.
Wow how I have not come across your channel before! I’ve just subscribed as a good friend Leon mentioned you before me on his 1k vid. Your knowledge for Batman is amazing. I used to collect the Batman comics when I was younger. I really wish i kept them. I’m just about to watch your Apocalypse now vid with John and Leon now. Keep up the fab work.😀👍
@@moviecollector5920 I feel exactly the same John. I don’t really like the newer Batman movies. Michael Keaton was the best Batman along with Jack Nicholson as the joker.
What did you think of the joker movie?
Thank you for replying too. Take care.
@@carlinio9 Shhhhh, but I haven't seen Joker. It really didn't look like my sort of thing but I suspect I'll take a look when I spot it flying around going "cheap, cheap"! John.
The influence of Michael Mann's Heat on The Dark Knight is enormous, so much so that I consider it an unofficial soft remake. Heat is another gorgeous looking film that I've heard is getting a 4K release soon, though the 4K scan (1080p Blu-Ray) they did a few years ago is already quite stunning. I was lucky enough to catch the new print at a local cinema. The sound alone was worth the price of admission.
Well that's another one to look forward to then. I saw Heat in a local cinema in Dillon, Colorado on first release and haven't seen it since. If I remember correctly it ran about 3 hours so that's going to be good value. John.
Interesting, I too prefer Batman Begins to The Dark Knight. I recently rewatched Rises and loved it. Love your technical insights as well. You really are becoming our size wizard of films discussion. Thanks John. PS - we watched Mad Max Fury Road in 4K. Wow, the mirror is hanging in there 😆
I have got to get Mad Max Fury Road because so many people have told me it's a good 'un. But getting back to these Batman films - what a great surprise. I had avoided them because of the crap the original films had descended to. That's a little unfair but I really didn't want to see any more of them and then they started all over again. Thinking about it now, that was the only thing they could have done.
You must have put that mirror back with No More Nails or something equally as strong for it to withstand a Mad Max film! John.
Great review! Definitely a set I need to add to my collection. I'm currently saving up for the Lord of the Rings Extended Cut 4K set, at a whopping £75!
I enjoy The Dark Knight Rises almost as much as the previous. I like that it has a slight David Lean epic feel to it. Perhaps it's not quite long enough to be considered a true Epic but it comes close. I wish we'd have seen more of Bruce surviving the pit and his journey back to Gotham. The plot feels a bit condensed despite the film being almost 3 hours, imo.
Yes, it's not made clear where Bruce Wayne is imprisoned (although it's fairly obvious it's in a distant country) and how he manages to get back again. But there are plenty of other quibbles if we allow ourselves to want to find all the plot holes in all three of these films. They're comic books brought to life so I'm quite happy to suspend reality for the duration. John.
Batman begins was always my favourite John, I was very surprised when you quoted the viewing figures for it, I think it just has a better story than the other two
They thought out the Batman origin very well, no doubt about it. I wonder if I'll still prefer Dark Knight Rises next time around. John.
Great review bud… I’m new here… loving the tie! 🦇
Good to have you here. I've had the tie about 30 years. John.
Excellent! I’ve just been to hmv to pick up this trilogy on your recommendation… I’ll be watching the 1st one tonight, keep the Brilliant videos coming buddy! Regards 🙂
@@inkermanplatoon2210 Well I hope you enjoy them as much as we did Inkerman. You're in for a really good time this evening and whenever you get around to watching the two sequels. Always good to know when someone has supported HMV because without those shops on major high streets it's hard to imagine why I'd ever bother going in!!! John.
Great review John as always mate thanks.
Thanks Ron. John.
The Dark Knight was an obsession of mine in the summer 2008. I went to an IMAX preview about 6 months earlier which contained the heist sequence and it blew my mind. Once I watched the film in it’s entirety, I couldn’t believe a performance could be given as good as Heath Ledger’s Joker - and I went to see a further 8 or 9 times - and probably around 4 times on imax at Printworks, Manchester... It captured my imagination and it also felt like I was watching Micheal Mann’s Heat... just absolutely incredible trilogy overall. Insanely high level filmmaking. Nolan also loved James Bon’s that much he put a Skiing sequence in Inception.
I remember Heath Ledger died before the film was out but I didn't mention that as I didn't want to put the video onto a bit of a downer. Best to just remember he gave a great performance in a great Batman film I think. I'd been put off Batman movies by then as the first four films descended into farce and I didn't think it was worth bothering any longer. These three were a nice surprise and I was finally ready to watch them. Not so with Batman vs. Superman though which will take a little longer for me to get up the enthusiasm for. John.
@@moviecollector5920 whilst I actually admire Man of Steel (nothing in compares to Superman 78’...), Batman vs Superman was a mixed to underwhelming bag of sequences. Ironically though, the Batman elements of the film are by far the best... it’s worth a watch for Batfleck (even I was cautious...). I actually don’t mind the Snyder trilogy - some great/ideas/visuals - but compared to Nolan’s trilogy? Not even in the same sport, let alone league... actually - I think you’ll hate it. Haha
@@ColonelSternlove One day I am going to have to give Batman vs Superman a go if only to see how the IMAX sequences are handled. I didn't like Man of Steel so my expectations are suitably lowered to the point that I might be pleasantly surprised. John.
@@moviecollector5920 IMAX sequences are brilliant and for all Snyder’s faults - he can frame a nice shot. Plus they look incredible on the 4K format. Man of steel for me was a good exploration of Clark Kent origins and I love the way they depicted him becoming superman - the last 40 min though was just too much fighting and not enough saving people (a problem throughout the trilogy)
@@ColonelSternlove I'll have to take another look at Man of Steel. I threw it in a cupboard somewhere so I'll have to dig it out. I know what you mean about IMAX sequences because even an average film can be something special if it's shot with any 70mm at all. John
Thank you sir for your excellent reviews.
Thank you Marko. John.
Really interesting how you thought the third was the best. I remember being let down after seeing it at the cinema. I think I need to rewatch the trilogy in 4K. Great video.
My expectations had been lowered so it was something of a surprise. At the time you saw it you were likely hoping for more and perhaps that was the cause of your disappointment. Being interesting to find out what you think next time around as your expectations will not be what they were. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Love your youtube channel :) You have so much knowledge, just curious and how you don't mind me asking but How old are you? I am 28 and love movies :)
the 4k discs are sold out at Amazon
If you're in the UK HMV probably have them in their on-line shop. John.
I've watched these in an odd order. Begins was one of my favorite movies growing up, and I would always rent it for the second disc it had with the amazingly extensive special features.
After that I saw Rises, not in the cinema, but a year later on home video. I didn't get a lot of the continuity stuff. I think the reason why I hadn't seen TDK yet was I didn't have the balls to bring it home where my parents might find it. That was true in 2008, but in 2013, I figured they'd seen me watch weirder things, so I bought and watched the dark knight.
The Dark Knight still feels like the odd one out for me, as Begins and Rises share a lot of plot points. I think what would have tied the three together better would have been having the joker character carry on in the third. I think not recasting was a mistake that really hurt the trilogy overall.
Overall, they're all excellent movies, though the styles don't really mesh between the three. The writing is very similar among them, but from one to two to three there's quite a bit of whiplash.
You've made a good point there because one and three are more similar in tone. Maybe it was the introduction of the evil Joker character that meant the overall feeling in the second film was somewhat different. The opening with the bank robbery looked fabulous thanks to 15/70 IMAX but wasn't a great introduction to Gotham City as far as I was concerned. It looked like any American city today but I wanted a look similar to Tim Burton's Gotham City so that was a bit of a downer to start with... just my opinion of course and most will disagree with me. Next time I watch Dark Knight I'll be ready for it so it won't jar so much. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Absolutely, there's lots of modern glass buildings in the Dark Knight, and the color grading is very blue, where as both Begins and Rises have more stone, gothic structures, marble sets and warm, earthy tones.
Hello John, hope your having a great day. I am commenting to inform you that I have purchased a super 8 projector, I have been searching for around a week and found a good one that works properly and has no problems with it. the model is a Chinon Sound 6100 Super 8mm Film Projector, its an auto thread which is helpful for my small knowledge haha. I do not currently own any super 8 films but I am keeping my eyes open on ebay for a good super 8 gem, like I said I saw the first couple reels of the exorcist and the other day I saw a original 1989 batman trailer on super 8. they both sold out in the first 3 days, so now that I have the main asset to project the film, all I need is an actual film. I will be over time collecting super 8 films and hopefully find one I can compare to the 4K and make a video like yours, thanks! Clark.
Chinon produced some really good Super 8 projectors. I have an SS1200 but I used it to death and although it still runs there are one or two issues with it so it's not one I use any longer except for the odd bit of nostalgia.
Shame you didn't get that Batman trailer because I think that is the Derann Film Services print and that is where I got my 35mm Batman trailer of identical content from. It is therefore highly likely that my 35mm trailer was the master for the Super 8 release and I just happened to be there and spot it on the day they sold it off.... for £2.
All Super 8 projectors are auto thread as far as I know. I've not seen one that isn't anyway. They have to be really because it's such a small gauge and would be a bit fiddly to manually thread up. Having said that, I have a standard 8mm projector that has to be threaded manually and it's all set up rather easily.
Thanks to your input I think I've worked out the ending of The Shining so I might do a 'spoiler alert' at the end of the video and advise people to turn off now if they don't want to know before I discuss my/our interpretation of the ending.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 sorry for my late reply, Can't wait for the shining 4K review from you. I am now really annoyed I didnt pick up the batman trailer but eventually I will pick up a very good film on super 8. Thank you for your quick reply. Clark.
Love all 3 but my favourite is Batman Begins. For me it's the best batman movie ever made
I was surprisingly impressed with it too Andy. I think I'll think even more highly of it the next time I get around to watching it too. John.
@@moviecollector5920 hope you have a nice day I'm in Scarborough North Yorkshire weather's not great here today. Andy
@@andylikesstuffchannel It's quite nice here in Cornwall. Came through a torrential downpour heading back from the midlands yesterday evening and it seems that was widespread as Newbury in Berkshire had it a few hours later and it appears West London bore the brunt. But despite the extreme weather at time here's some good news - the coral bleaching in the northern half of the Great Barrier Reef was reported as having fully recovered by Sky News Australia about ten days ago. John.
Try mask of the phantasm it’s a very personal Batman story
@@cheetahluv210 I remember that feature length cartoon did have a good reputation at the time. Maybe I will finally take a look soon. John.
If you are good at something, never do it for free..
But you just are giving out gold for free John.
Thanx as always, for the great work!
Best fron Norway.
There is a little coming back owing to people watching a few of the adverts Jørn so at least the discs I've been purchasing to do the reviews are being paid for now... well, maybe not all but we're getting there.
We watched the Blu-ray of The Snowman last night. Really good and more so because we felt like we were enjoying Norway in winter. It's boiling here right now! John.
Another great review keep up the good work
Thank you happy sikh. The next video should be about the 70mm of Death on the Nile at the Odeon Leicester Square which shoud be interesting. John.
Great review I have all of them like the dark knight but will watch the dark knight rises again
When you do watch it again Stephanie, please let me know your opinion because I suspect my own was at least partially down to expectations. John.
I bought The Dark Knight in digital 4K because I don’t want shifting aspect ratio. It may be fine in IMAX theater but not in my home theater.
What we need is some sort of automation that can shift the masking so that it opens up and closes on the frame whenever a taller aspect ratio is displayed. Some sort of sensor device would do it but I've done everything with string and sticky tape so it would be a little expensive and a bit too advanced for my setup perhaps. John.
@@moviecollector5920 or just ad a 2.35:1 disc. We 4K customers should be given a premium option. But I guess the 4K digital version is an acceptable compromise for us with a 2.35:1 screen.
Just got my copy in 4k Blu ray, had it previously in regular Blu ray.
I hope you enjoy them as much as we did James. A clear difference between the Blu-rays and 4Ks here on our system and those IMAX sequences, particular in the last film, really do make this pack something special. John.
Batman Begins is my favourite out of the three. Dark Knight is also great - I like your James Bond comparison. Dark Knight Rises - I just couldn't put my suspension of disbelief to a high enough level to make a lot of scenes play ok in my mind.
They're all good but perhaps I'd got into them so much by the third film that I was simply more involved. We did both feel that we watching a superior film with The Dark Knight Rises. And the great ending certainly didn't hurt either. Having said that, it is a shame so many of these stories seem to introduce characters who are offspring of other characters or characters who have gone before... The Empire Strikes Back, Halloween II and now The Dark Knight Rises. Can't people come up with something better? John.
@@moviecollector5920 Personally, I blame The Empire Strikes Back for that. The twist of "What??? He's his father???" was so powerful, that filmmakers have been chasing that high ever since.
It also creates a shorthand for storytellers to create emotional investment in a character in the audience. "Remember that character you know and love? Well this person is the CHILD! So now you care about them more." It instantly adds background and history and explanation for the motivations of the character without having to do the work of building it from scratch. It's a bit of a cheap move because of it's prevalence, but I guess it is a go-to trope for a reason.
This was a great and informative video John. I wasn't really planning to pick the 4K's of this trilogy as I have the bluray set, but I think I might have to soon. Great work, your production value is stunning and the information within is very valuable. I aspire to make content as quality as this 😃👍
I watched some of your livestream with Keith last night Jason. I would have watched more but it was time for beddybies. Always entertaining and I must make the time to watch more of your videos. If you do get the Dark Knight films in 4K why not do a review and I'll point people to it.
By the way, I saw when you said you were using sound out of your television and I realize funds aren't easy to come by but you don't have to spend a fortune on a good surround sound system these days. A stereo setup can work wonders but if you save up and get a fairly basic home cinema sound amplifier you can add speakers over a period of time. Richer sounds tend to start the amps at about £100 and speakers about £50 a pair.
Tonight I expect we'll be watching one of the Jurassic World films which I don't expect much of but I got a double disc pack of both the films in 4K for £8.95 so I don't think I'll be too disappointed.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I appreciate the kind offer to help share my video if I did a review of the dark knight 4k trilogy; however I don't particular think my reviews are any good. I don't do reviews very often for that very reason. I'm more inclined to do different kind of videos such as my History of Critters , which I'm super proud of :)
Thanks for the heads-up on a sound system route, definitely sounds like a plan.
Thanks again :)
@@jasonbrettyt I need to look at your Critters video. I really like your ventriloquist Critter named Steve. Oh well, got to go, Leon's got a live stream right now with some old boffin as a special guest... oh, he's talking about Critter!!! John.
I agree, Dark knight rises is awesome. Plus Batman Begins is fantastic
There seems to be an even split across the three. This suggests they're all just bloody good! John.
6:25 I'm going to have to watch Batman Begins again with fresh eyes if you really feel that way, I haven't see it since it was in theaters. The Dark Knight is one of my favorite movies, I think it was the best movie of the 00s that was ever made.
It's been interesting to receive all the comments on this video William because I thought I'd get a lot of upset replies about stating my opinion that The Dark Knight was in third place but the opposite has been true (so far!) and many feel that The Dark Knight Rises is the best film with Batman Begins at number 2. I didn't really know Heath Ledger and did not see The Dark Knight at the cinema so perhaps I wasn't influenced by all the sudden media reports about his performance as the Joker immediately following his death. If I'd have been younger and had ventured to a cinema perhaps I'd have been more receptive to how good this film is but time had moved on and I was watching all three for the first time together and they had a different impression on my as a result. I expect I'll enjoy The Dark Knight more than I did the next time I see it and similarly perhaps you'll find you enjoy the other two films even more than you did the first time around.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I saw the Dark Knight in IMAX with my then High School girlfriend whos my wife now, she was head over heals in love with Heath Ledger and his death had upset her at the time so I remembered seeing that movie in the theaters with her very well, I have a very detailed memory of it, it was a early date for us so I think that was part of it, also the IMAX picture was incredible, like looking through I a gigantic window, I know that you won't argue that it isn't a damn good looking film.
@@Edward135i I think it's got two genuine IMAX sequences in it William but feel free to correct me if there are more than that. I can't recall how the rest of it was shot but for genuine IMAX prints it would have been struck from the original camera negative to make it look as good as it could to stand up to the rest of the print. Sounds to me like your cinema outing for The Dark Knight could be the most memorable you've ever had. The Dark Knight Rises had much more genuine IMAX in it so you may find you enjoy that even more the next time you see it, even on disc.
John.
Great review as always john
Thank you Mark. Really enjoyed going through these three films. John.
Hay bud just wanted to say that I came across one of your review videos not too long ago, can't remember witch one off the top of my head. But anyway wanted to say that very much enjoyed watching your video and watched a couple more, and after 2 or 3 videos I hit that subscribe button.....I really liked the review you did on tenet and love the film....thank you
Tenet is just brilliant. It took some working out but I think that was part of its appeal. Thank you for taking the time to boost my morale and it's good to have you here. John.
hi John.
a good review, it is 3 good batman movies they
look fantastic and sound is also good, and Christian Bale do it well as batman. but I'm more to the two with Michael Keaton.
see in your next video greeting from Johnny
Greetings Johnny. I too think Michael Keaton is the best but Christian Bale grew on me and by the third film I thought of him as Bruce Wayne and Batman. Great fun to be able to watch three good Batman films over three consecutive evenings. What a treat! John.
@@moviecollector5920 ih John.
thanks for your reply, yes a lot has happened since adam west play Batman, I bought Batman (1966 ) on Blu-ray one month ago , it looks good for so an old movie.
greeting from Johnny.
I totally agree on the quality of these 4K disc's and of the stellar performances throughout. I would make one quibble, and that is that the Dark Knight Trilogy FAR exceed the Tim Burton films in every appreciable standard. I would really like to point out the differences in the performances of the Joker, as I find Nicholson's cartoonish portrayal unwatchable after watching Heath Ledger absolutely inhabit the role! Good movies all, but in my humble opinion, Nolan raised the bar to an unreachable height for any director to match regarding Batman.
Then again Jim, Jack Nicholson was portraying The Joker as his persona in the comics up to that point. Heath Ledger's portrayal was apparently a later version of The Joker but it was a good move as no one would be able to match Nicholson's performance. I used to find Nicholson's performance over powering too but not any longer. Must be getting old.
One thing that is certainly better in the 1989 film is the look and portrayal of Gotham City. That and the Batmobile I think. But there is only one good film in that original series and there are three in the Dark Knight series. John.
Can’t believe I still need to get these on 4K.
Done some ‘ steelbook vs steelbook ‘ videos on my channel. History of the Punisher. 4K opening of almost famous Cine edition. Etc etc.
All three are impressive to look at AJ but the third film is extra special as about one-third of it was shot in 70mm IMAX. Don't know if there was ever a steelbook for you to include in a steelbook vs. steelbook review in the future though but maybe you could do a steelbook vs. cardbook just for this one!!! John.
@@moviecollector5920 - So the 4K does change ratio as it goes through. I may have to get this set now they are great films. I know people take issue with the third. I don’t. As I knew that they couldn’t do much more after the Dark Knight. They kind of boxed themselves in - a victim of that films success !
And I may well look at doing that ( your suggestion ) 👍👍
@@ajsmovieplace Yes, the IMAX sequences see a change from the 'Scope ratio to 1.78:1 (16x9) and it works surprisingly well. Quite a few 4K discs have had this change of format now and it is not distracting at all. Going to 1.43:1 may be a little distracting but apparently it's handled quite well in Batman vs Superman. One day I'm sure I'll take a look at that film even though it doesn't really look exactly like my cup of tea. John.
@@moviecollector5920 yeah. I liked what they done with the latest BVS release with that.
How lovely of you to shout out some younger UA-camrs John. Class is permanent.
Great video btw.
Thank you Lee. If I can help others whom I enjoy watching myself then it's a joy to be able to do it. Let's see how the young man gets on now he will hopefully start to get an audience. John.
Another great informative vid John, keep up the great work 👍
I'm pleased you like it. Thank you. John.
Hello John, hope you are well today. My super 8 projector should be in the mail in around 7 days, I have came across another gem on ebay, it was close encounters of the third kind, its a 400 ft reel. it was at a descent price so I purchased it. fun thing is I can now compare the 4K disc to the super 8 film, cant wait! Clark.
I have the same 400ft reel Clark but yours may well come in a different box to mine as mine is the early release and it was soon transposed into a plastic clamshell case. You'll probably find the colour has faded a bit but some of them have survived well. It's panned and scanned so doesn't quite have the impact of the 'Scope frame but it's a good cut down and good fun. Great to be able to project it BIG! I have been considering as Close Encounters as my next 4K review so this is quite a coincidence. John.
@@moviecollector5920 what a coincidence haha! the faded colour and scratches on the projected image make it feel like real cinema, great fun. I would love to see your review on close encounters, sounds like fun. thanks! Clark.
The dark Knight for me , must have seen it like 100 times.
I expect I'll think even more of it when I watch it a second time. Somehow I suspect I will always think 'Rises' is the best of the three films. John.
@@moviecollector5920 can you elaborate why ?
@@mia-mx2xd 7:00 He says why
@@HerkDylanJr thats right only reliesed that....
Coming out of rises IMAX screening I felt it was the best out of the three but after the subsequent years following I felt I had a different favourite one after watching them yearly. still to this day I can't decide which is the best movie out of the three.
So I just see them as one whole 7 hour movie albeit rises being technicaly and scope wise the better movie.
These were great but I am a bit of a Tim Burton fan and loved his versions as they were a mix of the old series and a modern dark canvass of the late 80's!! A great review and well done for helping the younglings John!
I too still think the most of the 1989 film. But that was the only one of the original series I liked so to have three great films in this series was a real surprise. John.
@@moviecollector5920 True, I only liked the 2 that Tim Burton did, the 3 that followed them were awful. Lets see what the new one is like when it releases!👍
Great review. In some ways I wish Christopher Nolan hadn’t made The Dark Knight Rises, because I thought the ending of The Dark Knight was so perfect. It is a great movie in its own right though. And I’m so used to watching Nolan’s films now I don’t even notice the ratio changes with the IMAX sequences.
I think the ending for Dark Knight Rises is just about perfect. Did he see him or was it his imagination? We're allowed to make our own interpretations which has become a rare thing lately. That Christopher Nolan chap certainly knows how to make a film. John.
The Dark Knight Trilogy is excellent. I have all three films on various home video formats. The 4K transfers are spectacular. Great review! Just came across your channel and have really been enjoying your content! I subscribed. I think The Dark Knight is the best of the three but I tend to think Batman Begins is almost just as good and consider it an underrated film. It took me a few tries to warm up to The Dark Knight Rises after seeing it in theaters but I now enjoy it almost as much as the other two.
I think our opinions of these films will change each time we view them simply because they're all so good. It's possible I had got into the films and by the third I was ready to love them, hence why it was by far the best instalment for me. Next time around that may change. Good to have you here Michael so welcome! John.
@@moviecollector5920 Agreed. Good to hear from you John! Keep up the great work!
Fantastic review, John. Very thoughtful that you're helping some other fellows out by giving them a shout!
Would love to see your review on Full Metal Jacket and The Shining. Heck, add Dr. Strangelove to the list as well since it just came out!
Thank you Danny. I may have to take a look at Dr. Strangelove. I didn't think The Shining looked brilliant but others certainly did so I'll have to take another look sometime. John.
Setting aside your infinite knowledge and passion you might be one of the most kind hearted film collector on UA-cam. Loved that final part where you talked about other collectors! Take care!
Good morning Patrick. I'm sure I replied to your comment before but it's just reappeared in my list of comments I haven't responded to so I thought I ought to respond again just in case my previous reply didn't get through. Thank you for your kind words. Young Clark has done a 4K review of The Shining and I'm doing one too so maybe his channel will get a bit of a boost when we both finally upload them. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Hey! Yes I do remember your answer! It must have gotten deleted somehow! Oooh can’t wait! There is so much to say about The Shining that one could literally create an entire channel just on the different interpretations of it! Take care! Patrick
@@tornapart I've put my interpretation on the end of the review so that might generate quite a discussion in the comments. John.
Absolutely The Dark Knight Rises is the best of the three - the main problem with it I think are the poorly directed crowd fight scenes (though all of the cops being out of action should have had a better set up too). A lot of comic fans had a hard time with Bruce Wayne becoming a recluse and other behaviour they deemed un-Batmanlike (and disappointed that Bane wasn't as cartoonish as he is in the comic), but they forget that Nolan's Batman was one that, if not exactly grounded in reality, had at least a couple of toes on the ground (what's that? you don't believe a city would accept being locked down for a mere 5 months?). Great vid as always, thanks.
That's a good summary Adam. I had assumed that the Batman comics had changed Bruce Wayne's character and the films were using the new character. But I think it's a credit to the film makers that they took their own path. What works in a book or a comic doesn't necessarily work so well in a film and this version of Batman did work on film so that's good enough for me. John.
There are only a few scenes in BvS in that format and the transitions between the two ratios are done quite well so it isn’t that distracting.
That's good. I wouldn't be bothered by it but a mass market is what the film has to appeal to and most wouldn't understand the cut to IMAX nor even know what it was or that it looked any better. John.
Great video. I have the 4k steelbook of the first film, it's amazing. I need to get the rest
The image quality gets even better as each film comes along too. John.
Batman Begins, finally a Batman origin story about Batman and not one of his arch enemies. Nolan is just saying "What if Batman, was set in the real world. " Hence the ultra realism, which I love, (see also the Daniel Craig Bonds.)
The similarity to Bond wasn't lost on me. A little more far-fetched of course but Batman's a comic book character so that's to be expected. Great performances made the difference in these films along with the practical special effects and the superlative image quality. John.
Hello John, bought this boxset last year amongst my other 80 other 4K titles. Been watching the step-down Blu Ray as I only just got my Panasonic DP-UB820 player and hoping to get my 55" OLED in the next month or so. I cannot wait to watch my films in my converted spare room 'cinema room!' My favourite tech in Batman is the motorbike that has a back wheel that pivots at 90 degree angles, god I want one!! 🤣😂
@@moviecollector5920 Haha John we wouldnt be able to get more than 4 in there. Just been cruising over the Home Cinema Triangle, John (you), John (Mondo Vellocheck) and Leon (Talks Film). My first ports of call on all things film and cinema. My bank account thanks you for your recommendations!! 😂🤣😂
@@moviecollector5920 Hahaha its HMV and me being inebriated probably at weekends. It's like Christmas sometimes when parcels turn up midweek and you have no idea what they are!! 🤣😂
Hi John , again watching your older video's . The 35 mm scenes seem to have a bronze tint to them . Facial close ups in some darker scenes.
Could be the translation from whichever camera I shot any 35mm scenes with. I actually don't remember much about this video now apart from my conclusion was that the third film in the series was the best in terms of the actual film and the image quality. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I meant watching it myself on my tv the 35 mm has somewhat a bronzy look to it , more out of focus , might be intentional by Nolan
@@fmulder1989 Aha, I see. I expect the 35mm general release prints would have been graded to look very similar to what we see on these 4K discs but aberrations do occur at times.
great review.i like all three movies .what drives me nuts is the aspect ratio change.i have a projector and a 21 by nine widescreen .so every time the ratio changes it over projects my screen.
its a trend i dont like.they should sell seperate imax editions.so now i watch the dvds they are constant widescreen.but back to the movies.you are absolutly right about the third one.
looking forward to the next review.
Mask your screen down to 1.78:1 next time and run the second and third films in that format. It's a shame to lose some of the size but it should mean it's not distracting. The alternative is to put deep black velvet masking top and bottom to mask the 1.78:1 sequences down to 2.40:1 but so much of the third film is in that taller format it would be a shame not to see it all. John.
Great review John. I myself also prefer The Dark Knight Rises over TDK.. it combines all three films and ends nicely. TDK is a great film but it always feels like two or three films morphed into one in my opinion. So?. What's your theory of the end?. Does Alfred just picture Bruce Wayne outside in the cafe at the end or has Bruce finally found solice and killed off his alter ego so he could live his own life?.
My interpretation of the ending is that it's in Alfred's imagination. But it did leave open the possibility of a further film if someone wanted to put their feet to the fire and try to follow it. You'd have to be brave to want to do that if you ask me.
I agree, it's all one long film. John.
@@moviecollector5920 it's Bruce Wayne indefinitely
I have this 4K set and I love them. Especially The Joker and Bane in 4K. Just glorious. But I’m using the Xbox to play 4k discs. I’m unsure what player to buy. I hear the SONY UBP-X700B Smart 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Player is excellent.
Because Panasonic managed to make standard Blu-ray work successfully in the early days when no one else could I stuck with them for UHD Blu-ray. When I purchase another player I plan to get the top of the line Panasonic for that reason. I'm sure all the makes are fine with 4K though but just make sure you get other outputs rather than just HDMI. John.
I love these 3 movies. and I agree that Rising is great and underrated. I like it more every time I see it. Looks and sounds great too.
I think someone with influence must have done a review slagging off the third film and it's put a lot of people off because I think it's excellent. Yes, there are flaws but there are in all three as it's a comic! John.
Finally upgraded my dvds. Got the set new for $25, what a steal, nice tie!
That is a bargain Gary. Clark over in Aus has been asked to go into one of the Sydney cinemas to shoot a 35mm print of The Dark Knight being laced and running through. That young man is getting to have all the fun now! I will be interested to know how that opening IMAX scene looks as a shrunken down 35mm but I expect it will look pretty terrific because it does on the 4K and Blu-ray.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 put the 3 ,4K discs in my dvd trilogy case, which is much nicer and came with a great booklet wish I could attach a picture!
@@garyharper2943 Good idea Gary. I think I'd go down the scanning and Photoshop route now if I'd done that because I'd want to create a more genuine looking 4K case but retaining the original DVD appearance in modified form to fit in the shorter case. Don't suppose the booklet would fit in though so scrub that idea.
John.
@Movie Collector as you predicted every movie as well as video quality gets better and better, watched all 3, 3 days in a row.The IMAX scenes were jaw dropping!
@@moviecollector5920 Just rewatched the dark knight rises and yes the booklet from the dvd trilogy is shorter and should fit a Blu-ray case.
Quite a bit of No Time To Die is apparently shot on IMAX 70mm, I'm just really hoping they release physical prints of it! Saw Tenet last year at the BFI IMAX and it was mind blowing!
I've only just been told about the 70mm aspects of the new Bond. I'm heading for Waterloo! John.
You sir are a class act!
Thank you Jay. John.
Batman Begins holds a special place in my heart because it was my first Batman film in the cinema. I was so happy to experience a great film that redeemed the Batman character after the embarrassing Schumacher films.
Because the Batman films have become so poor compared to the 1989 film, I stayed away from these as I expected they'd be more of the same. But how wrong I was. However, I think I enjoyed them more now than I would have done if I'd have seen them upon release. Time is a healer and I wasn't ready for Batman remakes when Batman Begins came out. I had the same problem with Spider-Man but I did watch one of the remakes recently and thought it was terrible. The more recent 'Homecoming' is better but it's not Spider-Man as far as I'm concerned. I must be getting old! John.
@@moviecollector5920 Tobey will forever be my Peter Parker 😂
@@DjGo99 It was good to see him back in that latest film Chris. I'm hoping it will lead to a 'Spider-Man 4' because I think returning to a more identifiable Spider-Man but in middle age could be really interesting. John.
Great video. I have to say for batman I enjoyed the films in order but picture quality it's the reverse but as you say it's a preference thing. I have to say it's been a busy week for me with watching films like logan in 4k and one I thought I would not like much but actually did which was "Mortal Engines" but I will keep coming back to your broadcasts as I learn so much. Excelsior :-)
Mondo Chelloveck Movies is a big proponent of Mortal Engines simply because the picture quality of the 4K is so good. I must purchase a copy and give it a look. I suspect it's shot on video though so I'll find plenty of faults because I'm like that!!! John.
Hello John, hope your doing well. just popping in to see how your shining 4K review is going along, hope its going well. Clark.
I ran the film yesterday and I need to check the disc on my other player as about 40 minutes in the image started to break up, the sound shortly after went off and finally the disc froze completely. A bit of a concern given how many 4K discs I've purchased in the past 18 months. I'll probably be a few days before I can record anything or have a review ready so don't wait for me. When I do get one done and up I'll include a link to your own and mention it and how mine came about as a result of you mentioning that you were about to review The Shining. First time I watched it I thought there were too many holes in it and I haven't changed my mind this time. Neither my wife nor I can fathom the ending exactly but perhaps we're not supposed to. My take on it is that Jack is a ghost and he's going through a loop whereby he experiences more or less the same thing over and over again but it still doesn't really make sense. John.
@@moviecollector5920 oh don't worry, a lot of 4K discs have a little screw-up every now and again. Arrow video makes a lot of mistakes. my theory about the end of the shining is that the hotel has eaten jack up and now jack is apart of the hotel now, the other people in the 4th of july picture are the other people who have been sucked up by the hotel. as funny as my theory sounds, thats what I think. the end of clockwork orange also has one of those twist endings. Thanks for the quick reply! Clark.
@@ClarkTeddles That's a better interpretation of the ending Clark.
@@moviecollector5920 sorry for this late reply. Thank you. Clark.
Anyone else have audio problems on batman begins with audio going really low and getting loud again? Especially in the scene with Ducard talking about fighting 6 men at 17:21 it's very low audio then 17:25 it gets normal loud volume again.
I didn't notice D Mon but it does happen occasionally.
John.
Good Job Master!
Thank you Sir! John.
Really enjoyed this video. Look forward to all of them. Now that I have upgraded my HT to 4k, Sony 77 inch A80J, look forward to picking up this set. My wife picked up the original Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory in 4k and I was not sure if it would be a good one and I feel like I have seen the movie too many times. However when we played it I was enamored with the entire film. It was like I had never really seen it before.
Willy Wonka is a very colourful film as I recall. I never liked it but it was made to look mesmerizing to children in cinemas and hence why the HDR discs have worked so well. I haven't seen the 4K disc but I can well imagine what it will look like... although not as good as the Dark Knight films methinks, particularly Dark Knight Rises with all that 70mm IMAX.
John.
Reviews of 4k discs but the videos are in 1080p...
Hmmmmmm
Also what digital projector do you use when screening these discs at your home? I have been looking for a good 4k projector but they are either not great in quality or cost an arm and a leg
Well I do shoot the videos in 4K but there's more to it than compiling the finished product in 4K and slapping it up. The general rule of thumb is that there is no point in uploading a video in 4K unless it has HDR applied. There are exceptions where professional film makers have the best equipment and ensure the best image quality at the end of the process but with me just sitting in front of a camera and talking there really is no point as there would be no discernible difference between 2K and 4K. Where there will be a discernible difference is in the time it takes to upload the same video in 4K because I would have to compile it at a much higher bit rate to preserve the image quality. As it is on my fibre connection this one took about an hour to upload. In 4K it would take around 3 hours.
The video projector I use is over 3 years old now but if you can find a second hand one that's got low hours then it's worth considering. It's an Optoma UHD550X and it was amazingly good value. I purchased it on the basis of the model that cost twice as much but I soon had this one set up to look even better than the demonstration we had with the more expensive machine. Optoma do offer a sub-£1k projector now and that would be worth looking at if my own is anything to go by. Amazing image quality... if you know how to set one up!!! John.
My favorite is Dark Knight Rises as well with Batman Begins coming in a close second and The Dark Knight a distant third. It was refreshing to hear someone else share that opinion because we are definitely in the minority, which is something we are all too frequently made aware of when discussing these films 😂 You definitely found yourself a new subscriber 👍
That was my thinking too, that Dark Knight was the runaway favourite, but the comments on here seem to contradict that as most prefer Dark Knight Rises with possibly Batman Begins in second place. What the actual truth is I don't know but it was surprising to find so many people do consider the films in the same order that I do. John.
@@moviecollector5920 That is surprising. Maybe the fans of the Dark Knight aren’t the majority I assumed them to be. They are just the most vocal 😂
@@moviecollector5920 I saw that you replied to me, but for some reason UA-cam won’t let me see the reply in full using the app. I thought of responding to the portion I could read, but then it’d look like I was talking to myself 😂
@@irl-hdr4080 It looks like my reply has disappeared which has been occurring increasingly lately. I reply to people and then when I go into the total unread comments on this channel quite a few of them I've replied to have returned weeks after I'd actually typed a response. UA-cam does seem to have some problems at times. But anyway, it is interesting how the people commenting on here do seem to overall favour the third film in the Dark Knight series. It may be because there are more true film aficionados on here or it could just be that those who agree with my sentiments are more likely to comment. I felt the third film was the best and the first film the second best but I may change my opinion on a second viewing of all three. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yeah UA-cam’s algorithms deletes and blocks completely innocuous comments for the most random reasons. You definitely make a good point about birds of a feather flocking together. It logically plays a part in the comments. I doubt my opinion of the films will change, but it wouldn’t the first time that it has happened for me. I used to greatly prefer Aliens over Alien. Not sure when or why, but I eventually came to appreciate the original more and more till eventually preferring it over the sequel.
Great review of the transfers John! I love The Dark Knight Trilogy and I too enjoy that The Dark Knight Rises the best of the three. I love the Bruce Wayne story throughout the trilogy and I think it ended his story as Batman in the best way possible. It’s nice to see Bruce Wayne be able to get a happy ending for once, not that other iterations where he is Batman until he either dies or has to retire as a result of being Batman just catching up with him and it’s too much for him to keep going are bad, but it’s nice that there’s a definite ending to this trilogy with someone else going to take on the Batman mantle and be a symbol of hope for Gotham. Especially since this trilogy takes a more realistic approach to the character, even though there’s quite a bit of suspension of disbelief that happens throughout the three films. Keep up the great work and have a great day!
My interpretation of the ending Jared is that it's left up to us to decide. My opinion is that Alfred didn't see Bruce at the cafe and it was in his imagination. Whatever the correct interpretation it made for an excellent ending and left the way open for any future sequels if someone ever comes up with a good excuse... but I hope they don't! John.
@@moviecollector5920 that’s how various people interpret the ending. I see it as Alfred did see Bruce with Selina and his fantasy is now reality. I’ve got some reasons for why this is, but a big one is theatricality and deception as Batman shoots the buildings and from the cloud of smoke the Bat flies through it and for me, I think he got out and hit the autopilot. One reason for my belief is when we last see Batman in the Bat just before the explosion, we see shadows across his face, indicating he’s in the city. I’ve got a feeling the Bat has a way to get out of it quickly if one had to escape quickly, just as the Tumbler had the Bat-Pod in The Dark Knight. Regardless of the ending, it’s keeping in tune with the other films in having the ending be open ended with Rises being the end of the trilogy, we get to decide what happens. Bruce either got out of the Bat and lived and Alfred saw him or Alfred thought he saw Bruce when it was his imagination. I like how Nolan doesn’t spoon feed the audience and we get to think what happened after the films. I hope they don’t have a fourth film, especially when Nolan thought it would make sense to have three films for Bruce Wayne’s journey as Batman if he got the opportunity to make more after Batman Begins. Thanks for the video!
@@Jared_Wignall When I watch these films again I shall scrutinize the ending closely and perhaps my interpretation will concur with yours Jared. I too like films where we, the audience, are given the chance to make up our own minds with our own interpretations. Christopher Nolan is one of the best film makers around today, no doubt about it. John.
@@moviecollector5920 yeah, regardless of the interpretation of the end of the trilogy is excellent and well made by Nolan and everyone involved. Great movies to rewatch like the Tim Burton films. Apologies for the late reply, for some reason I didn’t get notified by UA-cam and saw this as I wanted to rewatch this video as it’s very well made.
@@Jared_Wignall It's good to hear from you again Jared. We moved home last week and I've been trying to get organized to put an update video out showing what will be the new home cinema but it's been hectic and almost impossible to get organized. Last night I manually held our ten foot wide screen in place because I'm going to have to angle it slightly. That just one more little trick I'm going to have to play with to see if I can get away with it! I've been thinking about putting one of these Dark Knight films on to test things out but so far I've managed to resist until the proper screen is in place. Doesn't look like I'll be able to fill the full 10 feet width but about nine feet may be possible until we get the room extended. John.