The Weeknd's Awful TV Show Ended Early and He's FURIOUS.
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- Опубліковано 18 лип 2023
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I finally watched episode 4 and episode 5 of The Idol, the new HBO and Max show from Euphoria creator Sam Levinson, starring Abel “The Weeknd” Tesfaye and Lily-Rose Depp. I wish I didn't! - Комедії
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from "too much of a female perspective" to "women love lyinggg!!!
Sexism disguised as feminism, basically.
Never let Sam Levinson cook
It's rare to see misogyny this overt outside of incel forums
is euphoria also like this? what does he do on that show, cause here i think he directed but somehow his two shows have vastly different critical receptions
@@highdefinition450in euphoria maddie falsely accused a man of r word.
Jocelyn being the “bad guy” and Tedros the victim is as much of a plot twist as ending a story with “… and then I woke up”
I SWEAR. especially the hairbrush scene like if she wasn’t abused all along then why did the other characters confirm that she was
"everyone was a g-g-ghost!"
The murderer was actually…THE DETECTIVE!
Omg I’m dying. Hahah. Like what was the point of this show
Honestly, "and then I woke up" plot would probably be an improvement because then these events would have never happened and just would have been a weird feaver dream
"I emotionally and physically abused this woman and the people in her life but I'm the real victim bc she wanted it all along" is such a deranged fantasy to put out there.
It also makes you wonder about why Sam and Abel think an article coming out about the past history of abuse is the worst thing that could happen to Tedros.
This I agree with 💯
like when Cosby drugged those women who already. consented to bang him because he's really into dead people. vindicated! that guy is walking because those hoes were trying to squeeze a famous black guy who they now don't want to f. oh well
Andrew Tate mentality. We are headed to Sodom and Gomorrah
@@bowenarrows7819he didn't even went to jail LIKE
lowkey a show about some managers trying to kill their client's abusive boyfriend would slay
give us the destiny cut we deserve
Omg it would be so goof
Yeah, with some dry humor 👌🏽
@@notebeans3134 #releasethedestinycut
Dude... No joke, I NEED this now!! 💯
So the woman is a villain who wanted to be abused, while the male abuser is a victim because his victim was okay with it… someone needs to investigate Sam Levinson
For what?
At the *very* least a professional needs to take a peek at his hard drive….. *and* his basement.
@@dontthinktohard3991 What do you think??
@@tunafish5462they dont think too hard 🤣
@@dontthinktohard3991you really live up to ur username 🙃 it ain’t rocket science
The Barbie marketing team really deserves a raise. They even got D’Angelo!
PLSSSS I LOVE THIS COMMENT
I was thinking he looked like a ken doll too so cute
Two men. Wrote a show. Where the main character, who is a woman, "likes rapey vibes", "turns out to be a master manipulator and a liar", and called a criminal abuser a "victim" because a few of his employees stopped working for him and he had a completely true article written about his literal crimes. Not only did two men direct this, but they also purposefully excluded a woman director because she gave "too much of a female perspective." In a show. Where the main character is a female.
I... I think I need to go wash my brain. And my eyes.
men who make a career off sexualizing women who are vulnerable and being preyed on by gross men are not to be trusted ever!!!
I have a friend whose wife is into rape fantasy/role play. I have had this discussion with them both more than once. During sex, she asks him to talk about other women he finds sexy. He makes stuff up about women at the gym, to his discomfort, because she gets turned on by it. I’ve been at the gym with him, and have heard her call him multiple times telling him she doesn’t trust him and he’s probably with that “whore from the gym”. It’s to the point where he pretends to take gym selfies, because he doesn’t want me to know he’s really trying to get proof I was at the gym with him. The same woman quit her job, told him she wanted another baby, talked him into taking a truck driving job because it makes more money… and now blames him that she’s home by herself with the kids and they are broke.
Y’all can miss me with the notion that some people aren’t manipulative and calculated and play the victim, because I know better. Just like some celebrities get paid millions to sell a fake, unattainable idea of beauty & sex. They are co-conspirators in the system that over sexualizes young girls… then, when they get washed up they write tell-all books about how THEY were the real victim, and people forced them to do it. At some point Brook Shields was posting sexy bikini pics with her teenage daughter… years before Pretty Baby was released. At some point there was a choice, there always is. The show never portrayed him as a “victim”, he just got played at the end. The media & viewers started saying that to discredit the show. Abel has even said that the character is “a sleazy guy” who is getting a small taste of what he deserves, and that Hollywood is full of people like that. Y’all acting like these two guys are glorifying the bad guy when they aren’t.
Yet it’s funny that we fail to mention how very credible actors have said Lilly has a whole team making sure the sex scenes are safe, asking her if she’s comfortable, and limit who’s on set during the filming of those scenes. But we victimize those actors too and say “they have to do/say that to keep their jobs”. People are ridiculous. Maybe the directors bias as a female kept her from seeing the artistic angle they were trying to take?
someone needs to check their text history and hard drives 👀
@@Jane-oz7pp”okay, someone check Linda’s hard drive!”
And young girls are watching this content over and over again and internalising the message that rough s*x is the only way
The creepiest thing about Chloe is not just she's underage, but she acts like a toddler the whole time. A sexualized toddler. That's so weird.
i think she may be based on chloe cherry who played faye in euphoria. she was hypersexual from a young age and joined the porn industry just after turning 18 but also has a very childlike vibe :( and sam allegedly cast her because he was a fan of her porn videos. the actresses also kinda look like each other. it all feels like too much to be a coincidence
i completely agree, i thought that whole thing was so unneeded and gross 😭😭😭
Really because that’s happening everywhere. Teen models and “influencers” are getting paid a lot of money to help brainwash young girls. These Disney and pre-teen shows are being filled with storylines of young horny dumb teenage boys, “mature” girls, and absent guardians/adults. The whole rise of girl KPop groups, anime, etc is based on Asian rape culture. Most of the girls in these girl groups look young as hell, and barely have any clothes on the entire time they are on stage. We gotta stop having selective outrage. If we’re gonna take a stand on censorship and morality, let’s atleast be consistent with it. Both of Lily Depps parents are successful entertainers, and people are acting like she’s being victimized. I’m so sick of people crying “victim” on behalf of people who are getting filthy rich to sell lies. It’s gross
@@OakCliffTX82"based on asian rape culture" friend that is pure, uncut, FDA certified american rape culture. "girls exist to have babies as young as possible therefore should be wantable and treated as wantable as kids" is an idea our most politically entrenched religious groups push, its american religious leaders who lobby against junk like minimum marriage ages
It's also an example of the Lolita effect. How the book Lolita has been misinterpreted in film so badly that it impacted a whole generation and created the Lolita character trope.
its not a true misogynistic show without a woman being abused on screen only for the finale to reveal she was the evil mastermind all along and the man was actually the abused not the abuser
Art imitates life. Poor Weeknd! 🙄
The movie Gone girl is awesome in that.The main charachter uses preconceived ideas about women and uses that in her favor but the movie makes it clear,the main girl is the villain yet a very clever one .
There was a review that said The Idol happened because someone watched Gone Girl on a plane once and completely missed the point.
Gone Girl is my favorite movie of all time and Gillian Flynn is my favorite author. There's a reason why Gone Girl works and that's because Amy is a super duper psychopath that manipulates the reader until the big reveal; before you find out about her, you actually feel kind of bad, but the reason why the reveal works in Gone Girl and not in The Idol is that Amy Dunne is an unreliable narrator and we only see her at first through her diary. In The Idol, we see how abusive Tedros is and there's nothing to indicate at any point that Jocelyn was an unreliable narrator like Amy. It's stupid.
she was never abused on screen, pay closer attention
I keep thinking of those early concept photos , and it looked so "for the girls". I am heartbroken for the story we could have had. I would have LOVED a deep exploration of what being a Disney girl was like.
WE WERE ROBBED
I think it’s time someone else wrote that story.
Ya I hope that version gets picked up again by another producer :///
I’m honestly confused why everyone’s confused. Sam Levinson made a show where teenagers are raped and brutalized by each other and adults. This is Euphoria with grownups, and I’m so frustrated Euphoria gets so much praise when it’s fantasy fulfillment using what are supposed to be minors.
I wrote a comment on another YTer's commentary channel about the show, saying "putting my two cents in because this show is a direct effect of y'all glorifying Euphoria and all of its gross oversexualizatons of the teenage experience, and purposefully choosing to ignore its harms because it has Zendaya and pretty makeup," and people were BUTTHURT lmfaoooo.
as problematic as Euphoria was, it was at least coherent.
@@rachel5399 Probably because it’s not. Like Euphoria being problematic as hell doesn’t make its fans directly responsible for shit like this, especially when media like The Idol and Euphoria have been around FOREVER, and Euphoria is neither the most elevated example (though it’s probably the most currently known) nor the one that kickstarted this trend. Levinson has been pulling crap like this for ages, and people have been glorifying and romanticizing abuse and exploitation for decades, if not *centuries*. Is Euohoria an example of this? For sure. But pinning all, or honestly even *most*, of the blame on Euphoria and it’s fandom is ignorant at best and a gross level of misinformation and generalization at worst.
It’s like saying Dexter directly led to hybristophilia, or 13 Reasons Why directly led to the glorification of suicide. Both of those are twisting, winding roads that go far *far* back. Pinning the blame on a singular show and it’s fandom is ludicrous, and given how long Levinsons been pulling this shit, I’m fairly certain The Idol or something similar would have happened even if Euphoria had bombed.
THANK YOU. I for the life of me could not understand why some of my friends were obsessed with this show when it first came out. Then I realized the only friends who really liked it had never experienced the kind of shit I had glimpsed while hanging out with them while watching the show. They weren't raised around violence and sexual abuse so I guess it was just entertaining to them whereas a lot of the scenes gave me a huge pit in my stomach.
@@rachel5399 While the experience of being a teen is a highly sexual one, fetishizing teen's suffering and making it all about sex is not okay
The morals in this show are wack:
Abuse is good for creativity
Women want to be abused
Women lie about assault for their gain…
This show has the most fucked up messages that I have seen in a while
Me too, considering the fact that false accusations are literally super super rare and real abuse victims don't even come out and yet only a few are punished, this is wild
Do you guys really think that those morals are what the show is actively trying to push? Or is just a weird passion project that The Weeknd and Levinson were super into? I feel like people are reading into this soooooo much more than was intended. It just seems like a bit too much.
@@genericsocks7542
Probably not, but does it matter? If a show were weirdly super racist, would it make it better if the creators didn't mean to push that message and it's just what naturally sprung up from their imaginations?
NGL, false accusations are probable (Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard, which may be why Lilly Rose Depp didn't mind much, tho I may be wrong considering I'm not a social dude). But this show DID seem like a n abuser's wet dream abt "playing the victim".
Edit: even if what I said was somewhat true, Amy's story would've been more compelling than wtf Sammy boi did to it 😑
@@shadmanhasan4205no, they aren’t probable, they make up less than 3% of reported r*pes and result in women being jailed, not men.
Oh yes, a man that kidnapped his ex, tortured her, went to actual jail for this, still is abusive is the *real* victim. To think that's what Sam Levinson thinks is scary more than upsetting
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Im pretty sure that was bogus...thats why he said i went to prison for this shit
@@theguitarfather1837 ahhhh so ALL women are out to get tedros..
That's why this feels the fantasy of an abuser. Let's keep an eye on Levinson.
@@lordfreerealestate8302 Exactly. It's the fantasy of an abuser to believe the woman wanted to be abused for fame or whatever and he's the victim for it. Like wtf
Pulling the “she was the master manipulator all long” after revamping the entire series, because it “leaned too much into female perspective,” when the series is supposed to be about how young women get exploited in Hollywood is probably the most insane shit I’ve ever seen
hahaha exactly!
How did ANYONE approve this sick shot is what baffled me
@@peaceflowerstudios6833people need to stop giving levinson the green light to do what he wants whenever he wants. He doesn’t write women well, doesn’t write relationships well, and that’s an understatement.
Seriously dude! Well said. I cant fucking BELIEVE they put this out lacking this much self awareness. Its baffling to me how the weekend doesnt seem to understand how the show discredits everything he said it was supposed to portray
weeknd is playing that "bout to be exposed" game :P
seeing the 1 BILLION DOLLAR box office success of Barbie just really proves that a "female perspective" does sell and just invalidates Sam Levinson's defense
The part where they try to portray Tetris as the "real victim" and Jocelyn as the actual villain feels like the writers just pulled it out of their asses. Not to mention it sets a potentially dangerous message as well, that victims of abuse and violence "deserve what happened to them" and that they "had all the power".
Edit: I realized that autocorrect changed "Tedros" to "Tetris".
Tetris! 🤣
@@SecondTake123 It was autocorrect's fault but I'll keep it up.
@@sourrycherry 🤣
And I didn’t even notice the difference lol
Sam Levison has an obsession with writing false SA allegations into his tv shows…
It smells like he's definitely trying to get ahead of something coming his way... Like he's building a narrative so when it inevitably happens to him he can refer to his own shows and say: Look! Women lie all time! Source: trust me bro
I was gonna say, it’s giving I’ve committed SA but I’m tryna make it look normal
FR, it feels like he's telling on himself or possible coworkers or friends. He'd be the type to hang out or be one of those people.
And the whole Tedros character becoming the "victim" at the end is just a desperate pity party for these type of people to convince themselves that they're not in the wrong cause their twisted point of view of everything
I find the part in euphoria where 14yo maddy was "in control" when having sex with 40 year old men even more sus
@@sodiumsodiumsodium1109 Exactly spot on what I was thinking as soon as I saw this comment.
The way they try to turn tedros into the victim reminds me of a line from Euphoria about a character who lost her virginity to a 40 year old man when she was 14, “the guy was 40 and she was 14, but honestly she was the one in control”, this is a recurring thing with Sam Levinson, making the obvious victim turn out to be a master manipulator
It's only a matter of time before a flood of accusations come his way honestly. With his track record, it's quite telling what his opinions are when it comes to sexual abusers and their victims so I wouldn't be surprised if he had a bunch of skeletons in his closet
@@Asmax120What do you mean by this.. Are you defending the show?
That line in euphoria really stuck with me man it was so gross and weird!!!
THAT WAS IN EUPHORIA???? EWWWW 🍅 🍅 🍅
@@spectre9340 I'll be honest lol I have the gut feeling for some people to be exposed for problematic behavior and both the Sams are on my list (Levinson and Smith) also a couple of weirdos like Brent Rivera. Actually sometimes I worry the entire millenial yt bubble will get called out one by one (Shane to Colleen to James Charles and stuff).
i haven't watched euphoria and i'm not going to pretend I have. but I am VERY aware of the scene where it's revealed that one of the characters was assaulted at 14(?) but it was actually totally fine because "she was in control the whole time" and now with the plot twist at the end of the idol, it's weird that he has put into his shows multiple times a young woman (or in one case a literal child) being sexually abused and it being totally okay because "she was in control" it's just very, VERY weird
This isn't weird, it's disturbing and it's a clear example of grape culture. This type of media helps people mentally excuse and justify things that real life men do to real life women and girls. Sam is a predator who literally exploits women for money. So is the Weekend. Let's be clear.
Idk how people can watch a show like Euphoria and pretend it’s not misogynistic or exploitative.
its that freakish logic of abusers, especially pdf files, that their victims are knowingly seducing them and are actually co-conspirators with them to make the "relationship" happen. the "she knows what shes doing" line, directed at literal children. these goddamn mongrel perverts are so self-centered that even their unreciprocated fetishization must actually be part of a grand plot where every living person orbits their ego.
Lolita fantasy is a problem.
Omg, this is awful.
"What is this show really? Like on a conceptual level" misogyny embodied by cinema. Like, I'm not exaggerating. You literally cannot explain the majority of the scenes otherwise.
Like the scene he literally said it about, where her ex boyfriend is going to "lose his career" because of "false allegations"🙄 I find it incredibly funny that a show meant to expose abuse and discrimination against WOMEN, ends up only showing men being victims of women, by women LYING about being victims💀 like, you couldn't make this shit up... Abel and Sam literally chose to tell the story of a traumatized woman who is taken advantage of by men and the industry, by actually making her the villain, and other women liars. Great, great job guys. At least we know where they stand on these topics...
It's almost as if the thing they fear is an article coming out detailing abuse...🤔
The whole ‘Jocelyn was always in charge’ twist is on the same level as me writing ‘and then I woke up’ in my essay. We really thought we did something 😂😂
LMAO
EXACTLY THIS
and then everyone stood up and clapped
At least your twist did not completely contradict the previously established events, lmao. At least "actually it was all a dream" isn't literally impossible
Ahahahhaha been there
these men made a show humanizing a literal S*X TRAFFICKER, then implied the woman was the one being manipulative the whole time, and wonder why people hated it!? its nasty, irresponsible, and creepy. shame on them! its not just bad writing, this is damaging is hell!!!
btw your Barbie look is STUNNING 💓
Yep. Sam Levinson maybe has some Me Too ghosts in his closet?
@@thisismyyoutube1846100% chance Levinson should be investigated.
But remember - they said this show has a feminist message! Raising awareness! (sarcasm)
Right
She isn’t a master manipulator, she is a mentally unwell woman who is spiraling toward self-destruction.
It is really odd to me how obsessed Sam Levinson is with younger women, especially teenaged girls, as well as things like false accusations and “cancel culture”, I’ve seen a lot of people mention euphoria but it’s the same for his other work like assassination nation too, it makes me worry about how much of his work reflects him as a person
Or maybe he found a niche that made him money
@matthewdanko4064 really? He found a niche... a niche he actually sucks at writing about. Most of the shit is weird
@@TheBetterlife101 doesn't matter of its wierd, ppl love Euphoria
@@matthewdanko4064 mostly the first season if I'm correct, I've seen people not really like Season 2 since that's when they didn't have much source material to keep adapting and.. apparently it blows.
They may have loved it at first but then it went downhill.
its so clear that they changed her character to be a villain to shift to a very gross victim blaming narrative, the fact that this show includes multiple false allegations of abuse as if its incredibly common is just so messed up and i mourn what the show could have been with the previous director
It feels like it's meant to mock the ME Too movement
it's very very very weird
@@wolfidessdragondol it makes you think what Sam and Abel have done in the past that makes them want to mock the me too movement and make a women who is a victim of abuse look like the villain.
I think one part that emphasizes this is the part about the intimacy coordinator. Esp after Sydney Sweeney spoke out about pushing back on not needing nudity in some scenes and about how great it was to work with the intimacy coordinator. And then we see a scene where the intimacy coordinator is portrayed as the ‘bad guy’
@@wolfidessdragondolI got that impression, as well.
It's honestly disgusting and nonsensical how they made Jocelyn the villain and used the last episodes to portray this victim-blaming narrative.
It's really off-putting to me that Abel thought he needed to _explain_ that Tedros is a villain you're supposed to hate. He and Levinson just have absolutely _zero_ grasp on why people hate this show so much - they think people don't "get" what they're trying to do.
We do get it. We just don't _like_ it. It's like what happened with Cuties - you can't criticize the exploitation of performers _by exploiting your performers._
Exactly.
Yeah it contradicts the whole point of this show. What was supposed to be a story about the exploitation women face in the industry by predatory execs/producers, turned into a show about a predatory producer being the “victim”???
Agreed. Its also pretty misogynistic because its always the womans fault, right?
Welcome to "Euphoria Guy writes stuff"
I’m really hoping you mention this (not done yet 28:33 ) but what really bothered me is how Talia releases this killer hit piece on Tedros telling the world how he’s a pump, abuser, rapist, kidnapper, liar, etc. But Jocelyn pulls him out onto the stage at the end - introduces him BY NAME - and the crowd cheers and accepts him. After they all know about his past?
It makes NO sense. IRL that would DESTROY Jocelyn’s career. People would start walking out. It’s so stupid.
34:44 THANK YOU!!! You covered it. And I hadn’t seen anyone else criticizing this part.
I mean have you ever heard of Chris Delia, Louis CK, R. Kelly, Michael Jackson?? This happens irl all the time
Some fans will never care what their favorites do and will put blinders on
Chris Brown is still doing well for himself and still has a large fan base, even though we all know what he's done to Rihanna and his other gfs.
Nicki Minaj still has a good career and large fan base even though she married a convicted sex offender
Colleen Ballinger, Shane Dawson, James Charles, the list goes ever on
U really think people who PAID to watch you would care that u are marrying a pimp and walk out? That's just idealist. People are still scared to call out Taylor Swift for her racist bigot bf
It tracks with people's attitudes.
The false accusation of a woman ruining her exes career and the twist that she was in charge the whole time is definitely a common redditor response to MeToo
And considering who her father is…🤢
You basically described Mia Farrow!
I love how blatant the misogyny is. "Tetros was the victim, guys! A girl was mean to him!!!!!! A man!! That proves she's evil and wanted to be abused."
1000% yes
Oh yea and women lie about being abused for attention 😬
Yeah Tedros is totally the victim because he shocked and tortured others, verbally abuse, does shit w no consent. And Jocelyn is the bad guy because … she’s slightly mean to him.
It's like Mr Weeknd himself had it in his contract that he needed a redemption arc, and instead they just decided to make everyone around his character worse as if that justifies his whole deal.
@@Thepriestessdeath You implying it doesn't happen?
One thing I can’t get over was them going “we want a female mc” immediately followed by “there’s too much female perspective”
Tortured, artistic female mc - but not like that tho
Correction:
Media: “we do not want female perspective…..we want titties. That is all. Watch my show please.”
@@acciousername6776probably wasn’t “sexy” enough
@@sunniwithani right, its so miserable
Right, what kinda excuse even is "too much female perspective" like at this point just say that you wanted h**ny stuff
When Tedros said the hairbrush was brand new my immediate thought was that she just,,, bought a new hairbrush??? Like, i know someone who was abused with a hairbrush and they're unable to buy and hairbrushes that resemble it I was expecting it to be a way of showing her growth and her coping with her trauma by buying a new one of the same hairbrush. Imagine being so bad at communicating a point that when I see the big reveal that this character is actually a liar and a terrible person my first thought is "oh, good for Jocelyn" like wtf
Same!!! I saw people online talking about the ending and about how she supposedly flipped the script on him by being the mastermind to victimize him, and I was immediately like, "yeah, not surprised," but then I watched a few commentary videos about it and I was so confused because the hairbrush being new was really the only insinuation that she lied? I thought the same thing, that she bought a new one to symbolize how she is now taking control of her life? You have multiple characters hinting that her mother was indeed, an abusive piece of work, and her brushing her hair violently, for...nothing? Then they basically get back together anyways, so what does he truly lose? Not only is it stupid as hell, but her plot twist/redemption arc was so bland and not even serving the purpose of redemption? So we have 5 hours worth of episodes, with him abusing her friends and staff, practically r*ping her, taking over her decisions, finances, music, and entire life, for her to..embarrass him on stage? She's so smart and badass that she risks her friends and crew getting sexually assaulted, staff being fired, and her reputation going further down the drain, but she suddenly gets a clear head that's set on revenge when she finds out that he knew her friend? Even though her friend took her to his club in the first place? They did not even try. My lord.
Super late to this but I couldn't figure out how he didn't realize it was new when he beat the hell out of her with it earlier in the show??
also… how would he even know that it’s brand new?? did it have a fucking price tag on it? unless it quite literally was so clean that it had obviously not touched hair before - that would have still meant the brush in scenes before was not new. so then it wouldn’t make sense that the audience is supposed to interpret it as jocelyn having lied the whole time, right? but then they don’t make an effort to show it having meant something else, like symbolic of her “moving on” or something, so it’s just… confusing.
An abuse victim defending their abuser makes the most sense of all this show. That happens a lot.
Remember when Sam had 14 year old Maddy lose her virginity in euphoria to an adult but it was fine cuz “she was in control”? Someone needs to get the FBI involved.
Ew ew ew ew ew ew so much ew.
BRO THATS IN EUPHORIA?? WTFF
@@stonks3507 yeah. So fucked up. But Euphoria fans are like next-level defensive lunatics. Say something bad about the show and they will come at you with full force. I did once on Reddit for calling Sam Levison out and I literally got told to go kill myself.
I don't think that was meant to be literal. When rue narrated that she was in control it may have been implying she "felt" in control, even though she was not. Possibly because of her confidence from a young age and possibly as a way to cope after the fact.
Not defending sam levinson but euphoria does have an unreliable narrator that says fucked and untrue things
@darksouls2isthebestgameeve470 I agree. I'm not defending Sam either, but I always took it the same way. And I sadly knew a lot of girls as a teen who would sleep with older guys and say something similar. It's sad, but it isn't entirely unrealistic.
It's so weird that they're like "Jocelyn's a mastermind" when literally none of the events that took place are revealed to be her doing, apart from her getting beaten with a hairbrush. Also, the people that grew up with her pretty much confirm that she was abused by her mom, so what is the final twist supposed to even be saying? The lost potential is truly the worst part of the show
I kind of interpreted it as showing that although the abuse was real, it wasn't the same hairbrush, and that she hadn't let him get to her as much as it seemed like she had. maybe i'm just delusional bc I can't stand the idea of a show trying to claim that the abuse victim was actually the mastermind all along.
My dumbass thought the fact it was a new hairbrush meant that she finally moved on from her trauma but the idea her mom never hit her is also cool. That said the show has gaping plot holes and you don’t understand the reasoning of him hitting her apart from the weird fetish of the show runners.
They tried to really say “pain makes you creative” but it didn’t work. I was tired of the gratuitous ass shots and the nonstop singing.
If her lying about the abuse was a plot twist then the show is retconned and it’s dogshit
i think maybe the hairbrush thing was supposed to be something like her mom's abuse was her artistic motivator?? and now that she has tedros as her new disturbing abuse muse she was able to move on from her mom's abuse and so she got rid of the old hairbrush??? I really don't know, i just truly don't understand the "message" that all the people involved claimed was so important and needed to be told through SA and abuse, it's just bad :/
it’s almost comical just how blatant the misogyny is; “too much of a female perspective” (the weeknd). it’s almost as if the show was supposed to be about the abused and troubled pop star overcoming these very real challenges that women in the industry deal with… no, it definitely couldn’t have been that!
I remember going to The Weeknd’s concert where they filmed the ending of the last episode. I remember me and a lot of other people were confused as hell when Lily Rose Depp came out and said those weird lines with no explanation💀😂 The whole tv show was still just as confusing🤣
🤣🤣
that’s so funny tho 😂😂😂 why couldn’t they have just faked a concert?
They didn’t let the audience know what was going on?
@@tanzilatabassum4165 Nope. There was signs warning us that we were being filmed but we didn’t really know exactly when. When she came out on stage the whole crowd got excited thinking The Weeknd was gonna finally start but it was her saying random lines which made no sense at the time lol
The scene with her kissing him on stage didn’t even happen in real life. She just said the lines and left stage, he wasn’t there kissing her.
Wow, this is so weird 😂😂😂 like why do they not explain it, lmfao
The fact that the director called Tedros a "victim" is a MASSIVE red flag.
Can we talk about how D'Angelo is an absolute fashion icon, loving the Barbie vibes today
he IS the Barbie girl.
Like how do you just show us 1/4 of the outfit and not the whole thing?
He looks so good😤🔥 I love how he mixed the different shades of pink😭🔥
RIGHTT
This isn't a Barbie look! How dare you. It's quite obvious that Barbie has the D'Angelo look
I am convinced that the weeknd is just playing himself in this show, and nobody can tell me otherwise. He's not a good actor, he's not acting, this is just who he is
100% agree. This show was just The Weeknd telling on himself
Have you heard his music? He was always a womanizer.
@@Hagarisma womanizer? an abuser more like
@@jacksonelh I get this show is bad and all but come on why do you make assumptions like that 💀
@@user_19890 its literally all he sings about im not jumping to anything. being a drug addicted toxic abusive partner is his entire brand image
What I'm getting: false r*** allegations are commonly use to ruin mens careers, a woman who is evidently victim of a mans CONSTANT psychological abuse is actually the evil one because she is hot & cold to him (and maybe lied to him?) and reporting on a mans abuse, he was criminally charged for, makes him the victim
no wonder there were some 'creative differences' with a female director
Over the course of covering this series, D'Angelo's fashion went from grandma to high-schooler to 1990s frozen yogurt crew member, and he's rocked every single fit 🙏
I love his monochromatic cashier fit
It’s serving black barbie hair flip realness
No
I love this funky new style he has!
It's big barbie vibes and I love it
So wait. Lily-Rose's character stepped in when her friend was being squirted with a water gun, but NOT when her friend was being tortured with a shock collar around his neck??? I need to lie down
Edit: Glad that 5k people are lying down with me.
Make it make sense...
I KNOW LMAO
The characterization is so bizarre and inconsistent. I mean I guess he betrayed her. But like... yeah.
10:29 The “DaFAQ?!?” I just screamed is so unreal😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
I actually think they all lied to manipulate him and Xander was in and lied too, so yeah she manipulated Xander too but at least its not that bad
Destiny carried the scenes she was in. Her and Chloe's interactions are also probably the most interesting and plot driving ones in the show besides the scene where she told Hank Azaria's character they should off Tedros. Chilling.
This is one of those things where it makes me side-eye the men involved so, so badly. Like...if they think Tedros is the victim and end up villainizing the abused woman, you just KNOW they have some fucked up skeletons in their closet.
I really like The Weekend’s music, but it’s clear he’s a gross misogynist and is more likely to be MeToo’d than not. Until something abusive about him comes out, I’ll just separate art from the artist.
tbh, this entire show is an abuser's fantasy from beginning to end. thats why the ending/ joceyln's character doesn't make sense, because its written as a fantasy. first, theres the fetishisation and romanticisation of abuse in graphic detail, and then suddenly tedros is painted as a sad victim because the uwu terrible manipulative evil hot girl ruined his life and stole all his friends :/ and even AFTER that the girl is still incredibly obsessed and in love with him, especially with the implication that his abuse was never that deep in the first place. this is how abusers fantasize about being depicted - they want to enjoy the power of exploiting their victims, and then simultaneously have their vindictive misogynistic revenge fantasies about women "ruining their lives" validated.
This is spot on. You’re completely right.
You hit it right on the nail.
And the fact that Sam Levinson and the Weeknd wrote and worked together to make the story this way makes it concerning as to who they might be irl
Frrrr that is completely it. Abel really was out here self reporting when he said that Tedros represents the character traits every man is fighting. He has an abuse fantasy and thinks that everyone else does too. Nope buddy, that is just you and Sam I guess.
yep 😥
@@starsgalaxy3113 Damn, I completely forgot he said that. It’s so fucking gross
So lemme get this straight. Sam Levinson and The Weeknd rewrote the show to include less "female perspective", and they think the abusive torture addict pimp/rapist is the victim? Yeah someone needs to check these guys hard drives.
explains why the weekend is taking it personally that people dont like the show
Weeknd isn't exactly known for his understanding of how females and relationships in general.
I'll never forget the time I stumbled across his Lost in the Fire song. He has a segment where he claims a woman told him she's going through a phase of dating women and then suggests that they both have sex with him.
At the very least he comes across like a sleazy guy at a bar who thinks he's super funny and interesting.
@@i_Lupercalia_iyikes
@@i_Lupercalia_idamn ewww
@@i_Lupercalia_i”The weeknd” is actually just a character that Abel tesfaye plays in his music I don’t think you should take the lyrics too serious it’s all in the name of entertainment… if you watch interviews of him he comes across as really shy and timid… but anyway who knows
So the guy who put a shock collar on and tort*red an innocent dude who’d already been getting taken advantage of by Jocelyn is somehow the victim? The same guy who said he’d kill her before the cops even got there to save her? 😅 that statement was beyond confusing
Am I the only one that thinks it’s weird for lily to play a character like this after amber heard, I get she can’t avoid every role but this was just a bit uncanny
Well, she sympathizes with her father, so I guess she just doesn't care.
I really defended her, because having Kate Moss, a supermodel known for the famous line of "nothing tastes as good as being skinny feels," and having a father be a known addict(to multiple substances), and having your childhood be publicized must have been hell growing up. Sure, she'll never worry about finances, she can be whatever the hell she wants to be, she's gorgeous, etc., but I can sympathize with how possible it was that she dealt with a lonely and unrewarding childhood. With that being said, I don't know why she kept this role. I understand it started off as something much more substantial, but the whole production changed, and again, she's very nepotism coded, so she definitely could've gotten out of any binding contracts, especially given how different the end product finished. I really didnt like her defending Levinson, and acting like the criticism was invalid and clout chasing. Really gave me an unsatisfactory taste. I think she is a pretty good actor, but unfortunately, I think she has a big ego.
@@rachel5399 Kate moss isn’t her mother, but yeah i can see what you’re saying
@@sarahvitoria9526 huh
She supports her wife beater dad so it’s really not a surprise imo. She knows what she’s doing. At least at this point in her life, she benefits from the idea that women are calculating abusers.
The idol dialogue is like those self insert fanfic episodes games. And Jocelyn finally had enough gems to step in and defend her friend in that pool scene lmao
LMAO fr
Lmaoooo this is so spot on, I can’t 😂
LMFOABDJAF
This is the funniest way to describe it 💀
Not the Episode gems 😂
There was so many times where she could’ve done or said anything but didn’t like she must’ve been low-low
I cannot be the only one shocked by the fact that the show has an entire scene shocking a gay character with a shock collar. There cannot have been anyone with even the slightest knowledge of gay history in that room
Whoa… good point…
There probably was, they did it on purpose, just like the Epstein island "joke"
Yep that was one of the most insensitive scenes out of this hot garbage of a show and it was definitely very knowingly put in the show to once again relish in the gay stereotypes that gay people are all machoistics or sadistic and just basically reaffirming harmful mlm fetishes
Oof you have a really good point
Disgusting and terrible.
The irony of Lily Rose Depp being the one they chose for this role is... certainly not talked about enough
Extremely gross
This exact plot, with a good writer, would have been a compelling and tragic story about an abuser taking advantage of an artist who believes that abuse is art. And it could have been a story about the misconception that artists must be driven by pain, or must use their pain in their art, or else it's not "deep."
my favourite part about destiny finding out chloe is 17 is how the writers wanted us to know she's underage SO BAD that they just lazily wrote her accidentally saying her age wrong. like, they really needed us to know the show is EDGY
Of course Sam wanted to let us know that the story has a sexualizdd underaged character. Wouldn't be his show if that wasn't the case.
And she didn’t even need to be underage. Putting her as 18 still shows that she met Tedros when she was underage.
and they do NOTHING about it after destiny knows
like im pretty sure in an earlier episode during a party we see her completely topless/naked????? like HELLO?
@@jalnyxIKR WHAT WERE THEY THINKING???? She undressed in front of a stranger and jumped into the pool like that was normal behaviour! I’m so tired by Sam and his disgustingness.
Alright, call me an SJW or whatever, but I feel like this show has a potentially dangerous message. In this day and age I don’t know if it’s exactly wise to have a show that portrays women in abusive relationships as “secretly having all the power” or that suggests people in the public eye who speak out about their abuse are lying for sympathy. We’ve seen the abuses that stars like Britney Spears or Jennette McCurdy have gone through, and IMO it’s kind of a slap in the face to them for this show to have a plot twist where Jocelyn lied about having an abusive mother.
i completely agree with you, but i'd like to point out that it's really weird and late-capitalism of americans to feel as if Social Justice is an offensive term lol
100% AGREE!
Totally agree!
It’s classic darvo
@@jujuba1450 it’s like woke, the right wing started using it and suddenly it’s somehow a bad thing smfh 🚶🏻♀️ tho at least SJW isn’t AAVE, nothing will ever be as obnoxious as a racist calling u woke for pointing out their bs 🤦🏻♀️
Totally agree with your coverage. This show is disgusting and missed so many good opportunities to be a great show about power dynamics, the toxic idea of needing to be a tortured artist to produce good work, how victims heal or don’t from abuse, but no. To be honest, this show is so narcissistic and straight up creepy that I wouldn’t be surprised if allegations about SL himself come out within the next few years.
Her emotions throughout the series where nobody is looking at her don't go with the narrative that she was in control all along
thats such a ridiculously common trope in media. the show goes out of its way to straight up lie to the audience about the motivations of its characters, and then tries to look smart by pulling the rug. which then begs the question: did jocelyn know she was being filmed, since she put on those fake emotions when she was meant to be alone? or are they trying to tell us her character was method acting being the victim the whole time.
This show actually feels like every abusers wet dream. Not only does Tedros get to humiliate and grope Jocelyn in front of everyone but he was actually the real victim getting played this whole time, the poor guy. His punishment? He gets to be Jocelyn's sugar baby forever. LMAOOOOO what a disgusting joke. Let's just forget all the other awful stuff this loser has done... with their whole chest they told us to feel sorry for this poor little abusive groomer :'(
Thing is supposedly, he was trying to manipulate and control Jocelyn the entire time, so it’s not even like “oh she’s actually evil and nefarious.” It’s more like, “she’s a weirdo who deliberately leads on sex offenders for musical inspiration.”
Which sure, isn’t the greatest hobby, but Tedros had every intention of treating her like shit, and her actions meant he failed to do so, she still was in control, and the things she did to him are so much more mundane compared to what he would’ve done to her.
The only thing he’s a victim of is being lied to, and having it be revealed that she didn’t care about him as much as he had hoped which meant he couldn’t control her entire life.
omg so well said, shout this from the rooftops !!!
The Weeknd seems to have this fixation with women who are clearly victims turning out to actually be evil masterminds all along. The plot to the False Alarm music video is shockingly similar to this whole show. The Weeknd robs a bank and takes a woman hostage, handcuffs her, throws her around in a van etc. But then after the van crashes she steals all the money and it’s implied she orchestrated the whole thing when there’s no way she could have?? I.e. women who has been portrayed as helpless and literally abused on screen turns out to have faked everything. Very very skeevy 😬
Bella in Rehab
That's horrifying!
the parallels to his exs… 💀
his music is literally just talking about how much he loves manipulating and abusing women. took ppl long enough to realize who this dude is
This whole plot really lines up with some of his sleaziest lyrics so I'm convinced now that this is a bunch of his fantasies/how he views women.
Some of the common themes in his songs about girls are about how they're obsessed with attention/power/money, love to be in control especially in a sexual temptress role, and how he mistrusts them or thinks their emotional outcries are attempts at appearing like the victim in a manipulative way. Reply to this comment if you're interested in particular examples.
All this, combined with Bella Hadid heavily implying in recent years in interviews that she was in an emotionally abusive relationship with him (which his lyrics also all but confirm), I'm pretty confident in concluding Abel is misogynistic at the very least.
Sam Levinson did the same trying to paint Cassie as the villain in Euphoria when Nate was a narcissistic abuser. the whole tedros and jocelyn relationship give me the same vibe
I can’t look at Lily or Jennie the same anymore after their willing participation in the show. But I especially can’t look at The Weeknd as even a good person after this. He wrote, produced, endorsed and defended a show with misogyny and sexual abuse written all over it.
Apparently The Weeknd wrote a terrible song about Jennie (or I guess her “character”) about how she’ll do anything for popularity. It’s mad disrespectful and embarrassing.
I mean Lily supports her dad and Jennie is sort of known for being one of the slimier kpop idols. And the weeknd has been telling us through his lyrics how much of a creep is is this whole time
@@ohnoitsthenooooI'm not a fan of Jennie, but how has anything ever indicated that she would willingly participate in this? I know she had a fair share of scandal but I don't think I ever saw anything that could correlate to being perceived as "slimy", especially "slimier" as if kpop idols haven't been doing a lot worse than performing badly on a stage.
@@ohnoitsthenooooLily never openly spoke out supporting her dad at least from what I’ve seen. And also Jennie’s friends with Alexander wang, someone who has SA many people.
I don't think the Weekend was ever a good person. He wrote those lyrics in one of his songs about f*cking a queer woman straight. Like is he playing tedros or is he playing himself because that's what it's giving lmao.
You can TELL that everybody in the crew, including the actors was just saying yes to Sam and The Weeknd's decisions. The way he reacted on Twitter easily proves it
This right here!
Either that or The Weeknd will “curb stomp yo ass” 💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@JustWhattaRuLookinAt i am dead 💀💀😂😂
So true. And I mean I get why they did it, like that was a paying gig for them and he/they have all the power there. And if you’re in a show and have to promote the show as part of that, obviously you have to make the show sound good whether it is or not.
I mean yeah, that's their job...
I was recently at a writing program where one of my instructors mentioned that a lot of younger kids in the program (middle schoolers) will write about dark themes like this bc they know they like evoking reactions w their writing, but they're not sure how to do it with positive or subtle things, so they resort to incredibly dark themes instead. I see a strong connection.
agreed, that's a great way of putting it!
The fact your instructor said this about Middle Schoolers and Levinson is a grown ass man doing this Hollywood says a lot of things
thats honestly an interesting reflection on why some people write that way though it’s interesting definitely. ik u meant this in a demeaning way (understandable LMAO) but its genuinely insightful to me as an explanation for this show and a lot of other works of fiction
i always took it as little kids love drama
I was like that at that age too, it’s like… at least they’re kids who don’t know better and haven’t had time to get their skills up. Sam Levinson is fully grown and still thinks “let me throw a bunch of gross/sleazy/controversial stuff at the wall and see what sticks” is good writing
i CHOOSE to think that the hairbrush being brand new is cause she threw out the one her mom and tedros beat her with and bought a new one as a symbol of her moving on and not being the victim anymore. i know thats not what the writers intended but that makes more sense than the idea that shed been lying the whole time
i wish we could see the original cut of the show rather than the weeknd’s version that weirdly made it about “exposing” his ex
So it's been confirmed that he based elements of the story on his ex? If so, that's as predictable as it is disgusting.
The fact this show got released at all..... its baffling. And this final episode is somehow the worst one imo. Why they decided to go for this bizarre victim blaming route where Jocelyn is now the villain and Tedros is sympathetic, is beyond me. And why include her lying about her abuse? What is the show trying to imply with that? its actually disgusting that they treated this topic with the least amount of respect possible.
"What if the victim was the real abuser 😱😱😱"
I have literally never met someone who lied about child abuse and even of stories of heard of others lying it’s NEVEr been so odd ☠️
@@smileyface8057like actually. What was the point?? Why did they do this?? Who approved this shit??
@@theMoporterwhaaaaaa? 😳 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
And the way they even used Brittany Spears's name in this garbage show.
“I wasn’t bitten by a radioactive artist” is a sentence i will cherish forever
As an artist, idk why he is lying
It sounds like one of those AITA posts where the guy clearly expects sympathy and then everyone is like "my guy you are the worst person imagineable"...then he wrote fanfiction to make himself feel better and turned it into a tv show
The worst part for me is that Levinson and The Weeknd really thought this was going to be an avant garde critique of media but, instead, they just reproduced all the problems the industry has in these horribles characters lmao
"I don't wanna decide things for myself on my own" She thought she ate but she really just threw up
Right?
Like, same girl but that's why I'm in therapy 🙃
lmaooooo
LMAOOO
PREACH📢📢📢📢📢
The fact that Sam wrote a story, where someone is falsely accused of rape, and the victim is actually the abuser, in 2023, is absolutely MIND BLOWING! Like my guy, of all the things you could have written, you chose a story line that is LITERALLY HARMFUL to women. He's 100% telling on himself at this point. I'm calling it now, he's the next Harvey Weinstein.
Right, I wonder, though, is Sam is going to have such a career with little scrutiny about assault because of how much people are calling him out. Ofc I think he’ll still have one because there are so many people in charge who love what (and who) Sam also does, and his mindless aesthetic that he carries out with little regard to the story
Sam Levinson is definitely self-reporting here
@@edeniseating He is still going to have a career sadly. His dad is a director.
@@Mel-nw2kohis dad is a 'good' director. Huge difference.
@@bees.857 difference in what? i'm saying Sam despite having bad movies and shows is still going to have a career cause he is a nepobaby.
Chloe’s entire character makes me so uncomfortable for so many reasons. First of all she’s a minor and we see her naked on screen a bunch, so that’s gross. And second, she’s simultaneously infantilized and sexualized, and that combination makes me deeply uncomfortable
You are the only person who reviewed it who also picked up on the fact that this her bringing him on stage would ruin her career and take us back to the situation at the very beginning. I couldn't believe how many people didn't extrapolate that from the ending. Also, the whole "twist" was given away in the little after show interview for Ep 1 when Sam Levinson said about the first scene with Jocelyn faking emotions for the photo shoot that it was "all you needed to know about her." Even without that, it was obvious that was the intention from interviews:
So… I still don’t understand why we didn’t see Diane replace Jocelyn causing her to self destruct under the weight of being abandoned by an industry that destroyed her only to have the finale show Diane end up just in the same boat. It would have been a sad, predictable story line and 1000000% better than whatever this is that we got.
It's because the writer has never watched a drama anime before. It's like...the best anime trope imo.
!!! Audra hi never expected to see you here. But very true
Because that wouldn’t have put enough focus on the Weeknd and how mean to him Jocelyn was. I’m not kidding.
@@mst3kharrisit would focus on the woman’s pov in the industry, aka, too accurate. exactly what the weeknd didn’t want 🙄
Wait so Troy's character signed a contract when he was 13 that he wouldn't sing anymore??? In what world does that legally hold up? Minors cant sign contracts!
that's literally what i was thinking, like, who would even enforce that???
Also dianne going to a record deal with no lawyer of agent what so ever?? How normal is that??
Fr it sounds like a parody of the little mermaid
I get that like an 18 year old wouldn't entirely realise that the contract isn't valid, but at this point he would have seen enough contract shenanigans to know it isn't.
This was entirely stupid af. So he signed a contract that was just a piece of paper when he was a child. That whole thing reads as such a stupid justification for him neglecting his own career. This show is very juvenile in that way, it lacks any maturity at all.
That the show doesn't understand Jocelyn sums it up pretty well. The director who did care for jocelyn's story left and was replaced by two people who thought the main storyline was to much about the main character.
Totally agree with your review but I'd go even further. I was so offended by the total objectification of Lily Rose and the other young actors.. utterly shameful I can't even believe this is tolerated in 2023...
Calling a pimp a victim is insane. Literally one of the most demonic creatures walking.
But was he a pimp though? Pretty sure the shit against him was bogus just like they did to Joclyns Ex at the end.... he a pimp in the sense of having a stable of artists but I garuantee the line he says "he to prison for this shit" means it was bullshit...they took him down on his come up when he was the artist...as a rapper or whatever....the nuances in the show are almost too complicated for the average layman. People keep asking who is this show made for ...and I'll tell you ...its made for other artists.
@@theguitarfather1837///😮🤔 PRESTIGE PROJECT got a GREENLIGHT for Abel & Levinson???
Your sacrifice to watch through this mess is greatly appreciated
Thank you D'Angelo for being just as biting and snarky as I would be at ...what was it called again? Whatever... so I will never have to watch this or even bother to remember it happened at all.
@nickalem5692 obviously? i dont understand why you felt the need to make that comment. he puts effort into his scripts and videos, why wouldn't he be proud of how well they do? how about you transfer the same amount of effort from writing pointless snarky comments into doing something positive for once?
Couldn’t of said it better
@@nickalem5692 DUh? Do you think us naïve and you the enlightened one? We know _that._ And we'll happily give it. If wanting likes and views automatically makes you a villain then I got news for you: _You're_ the naïve one.
I can’t tell if that’s a pun or not.
The point you make about the "god given gift" is SO ON POINT. I was the "gifted child" because like you I drew a lot, and it always bothered me that nobody seemed to see the countless hours of practice I put into my silly lil drawings but instead only saw "talent", or "gift", something that you're born with.
Which now in my adult age, now that illustration is my full time job, has translated into people lowballing my price or straight up not wanting to pay for my services because "I like it so I should do it for free", that plus again not recognizing the years I've put towards getting to this level. Thus not wanting to pay me also because "it comes easy, you're talented".
Art is a job. STFU AND PAY ARTISTS A DECENT WAGE.
(wow what a tangent I went on hahahahah)
Euphoria only has the success it did bc it was aesthetically pleasing and teenagers were drawn to it bc they felt like they were being portrayed and treated like adults and not being babied when in reality they were being rlly sexualized. I remember being a teenager and being happy seeing a different portrayal of teenagers that shows their complexity but now being older it’s weird
The thing I hate about the ending is that it completely contradicts the point of the show. It was originally about how the industry uses young women and chews them out like an old piece of bubblegum which ironically is what happened to dyanne character (also people need to stop making fun of Jennie’s acting, it’s not that bad, especially in comparison to The Weeknd) but have in the end, Jocelyn was the villain all along and making tedros the sympathetic character is disgusting to me.
It’s kinda like to with the James Charles uncanceling article, “those boys lied about their age to me. I can’t trust anyone anymore. Don’t you feel sorry for me?!” No! Because you keep doing bad things because you’re not a good person no matter what you try to tell me.
Exactly! What’s even more upsetting is seeing what the show could’ve been with Amy’s vision
Also “we’re going to sexually exploit our lead actress to show why it’s bad that the industry exploits women’s sexuality.”
I initially thought _(and I know I'm being way too generous here)_ that it wasn't really supposed to be a twist. My first thought was that they were trying to turn the tables on Tedros, and end the series with _her_ in a position of power over _him_ instead.
But that _still_ would be a stupid ending, because he's _still_ getting exactly what he wanted from her. So it'd makes _no goddamn sense_ to portray it as a victory for her.
I don't know. This show just gives me _nothing_ to work with.
@@TrackpadProductions That's exactly what I was thinking. It's like the writers have no idea how to write a well-rounded good story. As a writer myself, it feels like someone wrote up a first draft and then put it into production without any editing or anything.
idk why they even entertained the idea that tedros is sympathetic either. it’s like they were trying to be gone girl but forgot that 1. sam and abel are no gillian flynn 2. the book and movie were both from a feminist perspective 3. nick is just an asshole, not a creepy criminal who belongs behind bars 💀
it’s absolutely wild to me how the weekend completely nose dived his reputation and doubled down
It’s one show with 5 hours worth of content. He’ll bounce back after his next album or something.
If Chris brown can bounce back then he can as well. Luckily I never was a fan of his music so I’ll continue to ignore his music per usual LOL
@@markigirl2757I would've never thought to compare this guy to Chris Brown. Now, that you've mentioned it. He's looking more Chris Brownish by thr minute. 🤣
@@amandadunn7678you have to be joking. Chris Brown literally beat up Rihanna. You’re really downplaying a very serious thing here. Did you not see what she looked like after what Chris Brown did?? How is that remotely comparable to The Weeknd co-producing a show you think is bad??
@@amandadunn7678Dumbest shit I've read in a while...
Honestly Troy did a great job I had no idea he could act like that. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sam actually zapped him
“This pimp turns out to be the victim.” Woof. What a line to say, he has a strange mind set on victim.
Gone Girl has their main female character make false SA and abuse allegations, but that storyline is handled so much better than this. Her husband is a cheating asshole, but he isn’t shown to actually be abusive to anyone (unlike Tedros) so it’s easier to view him as a victim. Also Amy isn’t overly sexualized and her perspective is clearly communicated to the audience. She’s a smart, charismatic and compelling villain. Also the author doesn’t have a history of writing women making false allegations (unlike Sam) so it doesn’t feel like a commentary on real victims.
also i’m pretty sure gone girl was written by a woman 🤷♂️
@@be_couragousit was!
What great points i didn’t even think of this, thank you for pointing it out:)
You know what they say, a show can cover dark/heavy/or even controversial topics and can still be good and convincing if written well enough. But if you wrote it so badly like Sam or Abel did 💀, people won’t be able to brush off the negative aspects of the show and call it out.
@@JustWhattaRuLookinAtAmy is also a Lana del Rey vinyl hello kitty core misandrist femcel sigma girlboss mother (Jocelyn is not)
Hearing them try to convince us and themselves that Jocelyn was ReAlLy iN cHaRgE the whole time sounds exactly like when I was in art school and would painfully BS my way through presenting my half finished projects 😂☠️
Hahaha yes! It totally has ' this painting I started months ago and forgot about then finished off 20 mins before the deadline is a comment on gender roles under late capitalism'
@@bmet102 ngl I feel like gender roles under late capitalism is totally worth speaking about because of all the incel red pill bs going on
@@ann6878 yeah i think that's why they used it as an example of something that sounds worth making a piece about. But the joke is that they actually put no effort into the piece and tacked on a meaning at the end. I used to do this too lol
LMAO YES "we really see her true colours" dude don't act like you knew, i have flashbacks of my final exam watching you
As an ex art student LMAOOOO I see it
I’ve said this about Sia’s failed movie “Music”. This is a good example of how The Weekend should stick with what he’s good at, and that’s making music.
35:28 I can tell you what The Idol wanted to achieve. Shock. Unfortunately they forgot a TV show can't just be shock-value and needs a comprehensible plot as well
When I was younger, my mom and I had to lock ourselves in my bedroom when her ex boyfriend was drunk and on a rampage. He was trying to break down the door and I can still remember the cracking sounds of the wood. We had to sleep with our backs against the door. We ended up having to climb out of the bedroom window when he was passed out. Abuse shouldn't be taken lightly and both Sam Levinson and the the weeknd are walking red flags for not only approving this shit, but creating it in the first place!!
I’m so sorry you went through that, I hope you and your mom are healing 🫶🏾
This is so true. Abuse and trauma is all kinky fun and games until it happens to you... the human condition is to be physically repulsed from it. Even if people's -philia's developed from it, they are realistically acted out on a pre-existing nest of trust and respect that is *reinforced with consistency,* before even being able to explore such things without issues in the long run. You can just tell who's a low-empathy moron when sexualisation is their takeaway from this plot outline.
But it's ok women are actually in charge when they get abused!!!
Obvious /s it's just horrible, they glorify the abuse and make fun of victims I want to know what goes on behind closed doors in their relationships.
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@@KhsjsjThey were being sarcastic you nimrod.
Let's all collectively thank D'Angelo for sacrificing his sanity to this show while still giving us fire outfits every video
ong moment say it louder
Those outfits are straight fire & I may just subscribe because of those outfits!
I really hate the fact that HBO Max decided to add the Idol for my location and all other regions and didn't add a masterpiece like the Adventure Time spinoff. I mean, priorities HBO
I don't understand how the entire purpose of the show was supposed to be about the exploitation of women in the industry, only to try and flip the script to make Jocelyn the exploiter. Makes sense that Levinson said the original show was too focused on the "female perspective" - he was just trying to villainize women instead of tell their story.
This show is a reflection of how much time, money and talent can be wasted in a hard attempt to produce something edgy.
A total waste
This show is literally like if they gave some booger picking "saying slurs in the COD lobby" 8th grade boys millions of dollars to make their own "cool" show I cannot take this shit seriously 😭
The false allegation plot point was just recycled from Euphoria. Sam Levinson pulled the same sh*t in that show too. I’m pretty convinced he believes all SA victims/survivors are trying to ruin the lives of the perpetrators. It’s disgusting.
@@SailorMaplePrismPoweryes definitely
The exposition dumps in this show are CRAZY. Like that guy at 30:58 saying "That's how we got the stadium" as if the other characters wouldn't know that lmao. Also, thanks for having subtitles available!
Thank you for bringing up the “you have a gift” thing.
I friend of mine got on my case for a long time because I need to use my ability to do something with a couple skills I have. Skills that have no use outside things that cause me stress. Like, a lot of stress. That in itself is super frustrating, but to be told “I want you to do this because I want you to win!” How is it a win if it doesn’t do anything for me aside stress me out?!
sam levinson describing tedros as the victim rather than jocelyn feels like some sick victim-blaming. yeah, the woman that was being abused was actually manipulating the man all along! sounds like the non-existent woman men point to when their friends are accused of SA or r@pe.
I can only hope that Sam Levinson gets blacklisted…
Especially when she didn’t do anything to him exactly. She was a little mean before she kicked him out of her house after she got tired of him. Wow, a real villain.
Hey - don't forget that Vanity Fair article!
he gives me bad vibes tbh, just my opinion.
@@AudraAuclairsame!
Ok I know this WILL fall thru the cracks, but I was ACTUALLY held hostage for 4 days by my ex and the fact that they’ve felt comfortable doing this and essentially mocking abuse victims is so disgusting to me. Like, having gone thru “similar” circumstances in terms of textbook-traumatizing events and having it romanticized is so unhealthy, since I was affected by social media’s interpretation of toxic love. (Edit: thanks for the love and support from this community, therapy works magic and I’m in a much better place! Appreciate y’all :)
im really sorry you went through all this :( and i feel even worse because of what a joke they're making this into
That's so terrible but I'm glad you're okay now and out of that situation.. I hope you get to have more peace and safety from now on..
But man this is why shows like this are so incredibly dangerous. stupid rich guys who hate women sit in their fancy houses and create abuse scenarios because it's all just hypothetical situations and entertainment for them. But there are REAL people who have been through abuse and trauma... for them to do everything they did in this show is an absolute insult to victims everywhere.
You do not deserve to hear or see shit like this when you've literally lived it. If I could delete this show off the face of the earth I would :(
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That's extremely scary, I hope you're doing okay nowadays ❤ these writers are literally so sick in the head for this horrific bastard show. I'm just glad most people are shitting on it to hell and back at least? 🥲
Same, held hostage for 3 days and violently raped by my ex.... Really in awe at how tasteless the "male perspective" ended up being with this show.
Something that I don't get about the hairbrush twist is that he's already handled the brush at this point. Like, he literally used it to hit her, and he's just now realizing that it's new??