oh i forgot to mention that the weeknd said this in an interview: "tedros is that superego that we as men wanna stay away from as much as possible, that's inside of us and we just gotta kill that"... like nah speak for yourself because that self-report is CRAZY 💀
The icing on the crazy cake was how Tedros basically says she should be grateful for being abused & then she thanks him for putting her through it all over again.
Art oftentimes shows, without asigning the value 'good' to what it shows - which can be wrong but still interessting to explore. It seems to me, that you just don't get It.
@@nonvalid962this show is far too stupid to talk about abuse with any good nuance. I'm sorry but this shit is just awful. Other shows can do that but this?? It fails on every level. In basically every category.
It’s almost meta how a show about female exploitation by creepy men in Hollywood became a reality show about female exploitation by creepy men in Hollywood
It’s almost darkly amusing that the men objected to being made to look like predators and then turned around and wrote a show that makes them look even more like predators.
@@randomnerd3402 cause there was ACTUAL child exploitation in it lol. Always agreed with Charlie. the simple change of literally just not using real kids would have changed so much
To me it feels like fragments of the original were kept and then the mess that was the weekend and sam Levi son is just added in with no cohesion whatsoever to me it felt like two different stories being told
The way my jaw dropped when he told Jocelyn to go get the brush. This is not dark, controversial art, this is not satire, this is disgusting. I am sick and tired of men making disgusting, horrible shows and calling it “art that is supposed to make you think.” There is nothing here to comment on what women go through in the music industry, you are just making torture porn.
They think we don't know to interpret disturbing and uncomfortable topics/situations. There is no reason why they have to be a) so graphic b) sexual and c) glamourising and minimising mental health struggles which jocelyn clearly has and T*** is not helping AT ALL
@@lesbiangoddess290I swear way too many male directors just can’t NOT fetishize women, like if they’re being abused, killed, assaulted, they have to add a sexual element to it. Like they can’t see women outside of being sexual.
100% agree, using such graphic stuff, especially the deep trauma and super needless and recurring sexual scenes this way just to get views is clearly lazy writing. And the creators are still trying to disguise as super edgy art, but no one is buying it. Lazy and clearly made to satisfy some sick desires by Sam Levinson and The Weekend.
The scenes with Lily calling for her mom, talking about her past, or pushing herself way past her limits, and Destiny + Chaim protecting her shows me what this series could have been if the crusty ass Weekday and Samuel didn't completely squash it with their grubby hands
She’s an okay actor, I can’t take her seriously as a main lead with her current skills lol same with Jennie’s acting. Just bad acting all around for such a high profile budget
I think that Samuel and the Weekday just shoehorned a bunch of sex scenes and bs into this series and called it a day. All of the good stuff in this abomination of a show feels like it was written by someone better.
it's unfortunate how Jocelyn's character is coherent (she hasn't known true love, only abuse and exploitation, so of course she seeks it out when she has lost it) and how unfortunately understandable her decisions are in her situation, yet this is all completely crushed by this soulless exploitative borderline tortune porn of a show
Oh god, yeah. It feels like the few good scenes from this show are remnants of Amy Seimetz’s original version, held back by the current version of the show made by The Weeknd and Sam Levinson that just used this as an outlet for their fetishes. Made the scene with Jocelyn’s breakdown even more crushing…
Also lots of abuse victim myths about wanting or seeking out abusive situations. She's going in enthusiastically to a bad experience against her support system - which isn't the reality
@@Witchy_Hoo exactly, i feel like if she had been the one directing till the end this could have been an actual interesting look in the effects being a public figure has on this cycle of abuse one can be stuck in, aka an experience that unfortunately happens to people all over the world whether famous or not we could’ve seen how hollywood exploits this for their gain, how you are not allowed to heal properly because you have to move on to the next big thing, how people will seek you out during this vulnerable time to capitalise on it, etc. and instead we have this
@@emptyhead242 they’re mixing this current hollywood obsession with everyone knowing psychology so well and being so deconstrued and aware of themselves with the sad reality that you seek what you know because feeling bad is what’s comfortable to you, so she fully acknowledges that she ‘likes his rapey vibe’ etc. even though that only happens in rare scenarios and most people always end up in abusive relationships because to them that is just what a normal relationship is period
@@KitKat-mp8tlI agree with all of your points except the assumption that Amy Seimetz version would be better. I'm aware that Sam Levinsion is a voyeuristic creep but their has been little actual verified reporting about the orignal version of the show led by the female creator. It is inconclusive if that version would've been better or worse.
It’s extremely gross that Idol basically took Jeanette McCurdy’s entire situation with her mom (from the “motivation” to her getting cancer) and then thought it was okay to give to Jocelyn for extra drama.
honestly any & all nods to actual stars that sorta had a similar experience (like miley cyrus nod in one of the eps) caused such a viscreal reaction in me like fine have your little rape fantasies to yourself but dont you dare drag real people's trauma into ur 50 shades of gray knockoff
@@vvaveaveright! It felt so awful to me because reading her book, it’s pretty fucking clear how tormented Jeanette McCurdy was/is by the way she was treated, and they’re just like “yes let’s use her very raw and very real pain to make a shitty TV show”
Hearing the "it was too feminist" allegations and seeing some of the good scenes and the good acting in this show tells me this could have been an absolute masterpiece
@@salvobunny in s1 they show that Kat is being blackmailed during her online camming and they never adress the storyline after that, they just show her getitng blackmailed and next season she suddenly stops doing cam work, also in s1 McKay is SA by a group of men and they literally only use this plot to justify him in turn SA'ing Cassie, it never gets addressed (Mckay or Cassies assault) and they never show his character. In s2 Rue still owes her dealer money, theres no reprecussions in this season or implication that anyone watching/monitoring her after losing a shit ton of money she just gets to have a hopeful monologue at the end. Theres def more but i can't remember them all rn but Levinson literally writes something thrilling then never addresses it or allows the characters to be okay with being hurt even if it doesnt make sense to the plot
I was so confused when I seen it I was like “thought there was 6…” like if they could just cut it like that makes it clear they could have cut the s3x scenes down by a lot and saved time
its crazy to try to make a show about female exploitation, but then say that the show was going "too much into a female perspective" when a woman was directing it. honestly that complete lack of self awareness sums up the whole show. how are yall not embarrassed 💀
"Let's make a show exposing how terrible the industry treats young women. Like labeling basically teenagers as "idols", and then turning them into sexdolls that have no agency and treated less than huma---" Levinson and Weeknd: "YES! Let's make a show about idols that are sexdolls, GREAT IDEA! Wait why is there so much girly stuff in here? No one wants that... Also, not enough topless scenes."
You can really feel the potential of a good story when she explains how her mother beat her. It recontextualizes the (already good) scene of her asking for her mother because now we know she wasn’t begging for her mom to help support her, she was asking for her mom to punish her for a bad performance. It’s not spelled out for you (probably because this fucked up version of the story doesn’t realize how horrible this is) so the audience member has to connect the dots leading you to a upsetting revelation. Of course then because this is The Idol it’s turned into a good thing that her mother beat her and made into some weird fantasy. I feel like that’s the biggest plotpoint where you feel the original narrative being warped to fit this weird degenerate male fantasy.
Genuinely one of the worst things is that you can see little glimmers of a good idea/story in here but they're ignored and just steamrolled to cater to the creator's gross fantasy. Almost any redeeming quality is overshadowed by the horrendous torture porn. The scene of Joslyn crying for her mom and then that later context has a lot of like threads that would make for a compelling narrative but nooooooo have this horrific sex scene instead
@@nox7919 yeah, these are the kinds of shows that frustrate me the most. Like bad shows are just bad but bad shows where you can see the bits of potential for a genuinely good story just make me sad that so many creators aren’t allowed to tell the stories they want because of assholes who think they know better…
I'd recommend reading Jeanette McCurdy's memoir "I'm Glad my Mom Died" if you want a good compelling story of a mother abusing her daughter in showbusiness and the daughter growing after her mother's death
It makes me hopeful for when she gets actually good roles. This won't define her career, it'll just be a rough patch when we look back, like her dad with his earlier projects
the frustrating part about this show is that you can see the original vision bleeding through. the parts that are focused on Jocelyn are really good, and her storyline is very interesting. it’s when Tedros is on screen that you can see where Sam Levinson made his alterations.
Nah Joce is also a terrible person.. esp in ep 4 you will see. Clearly tedros is terrible and she can see that, she doesnt care about leia(her supposed best friend ) at all
@@gokcenakdag8189 hm, i don’t remember saying Jocelyn was a good person? i actually think she’s interesting because she’s not. she was clearly originally written as a very complex character and i really wanted them to expand on that, but with Sam Levinson’s rewrite of Tedros, i don’t think we’ll ever see much more of Jocelyn’s character. you’ve misunderstood my comment, is what i’m trying to say. i don’t think any of them are good people but i can get behind a problematic character if they are interesting, the issue is that Tedros isn’t, he’s just the former.
The whole scene when she calls out to her mom is genuinely so heart-rending and made me cry. It sucks that there's a good show buried beneath all this fetishization of abuse and misogyny 😞
I feel this way about so many shows and movies these days. There is so much potential there, and you keep watching hoping it's eventually going to be good, and it never is. I usually get to the end and ask, what did I just watch? I don't think that's the question they want people asking when they say they want to make you think.
@@robineaken4524Yes, the script was rewritten because of too much focus on the “female perspective” according to Abel. There was a woman writing and directing the script beforehand but they gave her no time to make a fully realized story before handing it over to Sadist Sam
I've had someone ask me "why did he do that?" about my abuser s*xually assaulting me from when I was 4 to 10. It sent me into a mental health spiral so bad I had to be hospitalized. NEVER ask someone that.
I hope you’re doing well angel. Stay strong, the road is rough but worth traveling, and you don’t have to do it alone. I hope you’ve found good support systems, you deserve peace and happiness.
I had an art teacher who would say something along the lines of "I don't care if it's deliberate, it LOOKS like a mistake. If it's a mistake but it looks deliberate, then it's art. But if it looks like a mistake, then it's a mistake." I think that describes this show pretty well.
I'm really glad they wasted literal millions on him, especially after the criticism of season 2 being bland, boring, and having dumb side plots. Zendaya was and still is, the backbone. She brought people into watch, and she is the only reason they stay. I hope HBO realizes how fucking stupid they were at letting this production get trashed, and giving horrible working conditions and expectations to its cast and crew, ultimately allowing for a shit story with terrible acting to grace our screens with their logo plastered on it.
@@rachel5399 me personally, Euphoria is my favorite show, and I like never get bored and I think season two is better than season 1. But that’s ME. The criticism on season 2 is so valid that I can’t begin to defend it. The only reason it stayed relevant was because of the actors and actresses putting in the WORK to make the show as good as it could be. Also, I feel like it just has a appeal to teens who can heavily relate to one or many of the characters and that itself puts it ahead. Season 3 doesn’t look too good though, just from Sam Levinson’s revealed choices thus far. I mean, he fired Barbie Fierra (Kat) just for having different opinions on how her character should be developed. If that doesn’t say shit idk what does.
@@rachel5399Zendaya was definitely the reason people tuned in to begin with but i think the rest of the cast is also well loved. Personally i love jules and am watching for Hunter Schaefer and i now Sydney and Alexa demie are well loved!! Point is, most of the actors are great but the plot, the uneccesary nudity and sexualization of teens and romanticising abusive relationships is why the show sucks and all those fall on Sam Levinsons. Sad to think how great Euphoria and even The idol would be if not for Sam. ://
I so badly want a show that shows the truth of hypersexuality- that it is a trauma response. It isn’t sexy, it is so painful. It is a form of self harm. They could have shown her side so much better- how mentally exhausting it is. I know how it feels deeply and it could make for a very real snapshot into what it’s like. But instead they made it so it was hot for her to act that way. When in reality, she would be full of doubt and pain over what she’s doing. Idk I’m rambling now but it just sucks to see this happen again.
Yes!!! Been waiting for this for almost 10 years, been let down by euphoria s2 w Cassie's (of course) & Fiona in shameless' arcs. It'd also allow for us to understand Tedros' ability to weasel into her life since they didn't pull off the cult leader charisma. It can feel impossible to say no when you're struggling with that, you're sexually abusing & manipulating yourself it's like you go on autopilot
omg i didnt realize hearing "why didnt you fight back" was a trigger for me until tedros said it. thats 80% of the time the response i get when i talk abt my trauma 😭
@@ook4698 Right like??? (TW: abuse I’m sorry for bringing this up) “Why didn’t you just tell you mom to stop dragging you around the house by your hair?? You could’ve said no.” Like excuse me????😭 I was 7 and you expect me to fight back against a 40 year old woman?????? It’s such an absurd thing to say to someone.
Yes!! The only thing he ever does, is show off women’s naked bodies, not for the plot but just because he wants to. There’s so many nude scenes that are literally pointless. It feels so exploitative because it really is. It feels like he hired people that he wants to see naked.
@@BeautyToTheMax99no, it's not. It's a mediocre show only helped by the attractiveness of it's characters. It was even more mid after Sam Levinson finished copying the original idea for Euphoria s1, & the fuel ran out cause it was never his idea to begin with.
as an abuse victim (not physical, but verbal & mental) the way they depicted jocelyn's experience is SO telling to how these guys view abuse like. jesus christ
The female main character is doing a good job in my opinion, like she portrays herself well, and I think with the right script her character could have been great and portraying the realities of mental abuse and eventually growth but the bad acting of The Weeknd and the back script is just killing her :((
I haven't read any of the creators' reactions to the backlash for this yet but I'd _bet_ they're gonna do the whole _"he's the bad guy, you're supposed to think what's he doing is wrong"_ shtick, and _completely_ miss the point of the criticism they're getting.
Perfect blue is a much better representation of an idol struggling, dealing with the pressure of being famous. Having identity crisis. It’s also a really good thriller with good plots
I wish a room full of men stopped trying to write a woman’s story. Like this is supposed to be a story of a vulnerable woman falling victim to a man’s abuse, and I just don’t understand how the weekend and the euphoria guy thought they were the right people to tell that story
They used a "bad boy" trope to write an abusive character. No one with a support system like Jocelyn would fall for a man like Tedrose, it just doesn't work that way. They gain their power over victims by being nice in the beginning, but he was never nice. It's so bizarre, especially as a trauma survivor.
Abel (the person) is so omnipresent in the show. He's a co writer, supposedly got his screen time expanded, his music is the soundtrack, they're filmin in his house... All while monopolizing the run time and delivering an embarrassing performance. Like, I've truly had enough of this dude.
it reminded me of what drew gooden said in a lily sign video about the youtube high, basically a youtube getting high on all the attention and praise and thinks "I can do everything" without realizing that you are never as good the best comment and never as bad as the negative comment, so in that high they start to think that they can never fuck up and then fucks up maybe the Weeknd got that point, an Artist high, because he does do good music, I dunno why no one around him like stopped this madness before it hits
Its honestly hilarious thinking back to how he was seen as mysterious and quiet when he first started putting out music but has turned into a human fart who lingers in the room too long
This series could have honestly been a great commentary on the industry, I think the part where Jocelyn strived for a perfect take until her feet bled was the best part of the whole show cause it showed her human side and her inability to accept anything less than what she thinks is extraordinary. Sadly it was sandwiched between random sex scenes and batshit insane dialogue
with how the show is progressing, that whole scene where she has a breakdown was actually just an act. Jocelyn is a master manipulator and a sociopath at that. She seems naive and weak but she has been in control all this time. The show is setting her up as some kind of sociopathic femme fatale. Everyone's confused as to how the Weeknd's uncharismatic character pulled her and got her infatuated with him when in reality she's not actually infatuated with him at all. She's just using him for her own personal gain. The opening shot of the series where Jocelyn instantly displays different ranges of emotion on cue is a hint that she can easily manipulate. It's almost clear that she abused and killed her mother at this point. It'll all be clear once the final episode airs. I think this show should've been released in its entirety at once before people wrote it off
@nickalem5692 making her a femme fatal isn't exactly better. That's a known misogynistic trope, and would actually be one of the worst routes they could take it.
God, the abuse scene is genuinely horrifying. My dad did the same shit to me if I struggled to read correctly, did my math wrong, or asked stupid questions. If I got in trouble at school and had a slip sent home, I would beg my mom not to show my dad because I knew what would happen. He beat me to "motivate" me and took all the credit when someone said I was smart or well-behaved. That entire scene left me in tears because all I could see was my experiences. The fact that they put this in the show proves it's nothing more than torture porn and shock value. It's fucking vile
The part where Jocelyn says “this is something no one is doing” & Nikki replies “ya there’s a reason no one is doing this” is actually so good & I wish Mr. Weekend & that Sam guy had someone around to shoot them down like that.
Extraordinary Attorney Woo is a Korean drama about an autistic woman who becomes a lawyer. It’s touching, funny, emotional and extremely well-written and acted. I had tears in my eyes more than once, but they were cathartic. This is the kind of show that gives you faith in the goodness of humanity and I think would work well to bleach your poor poor eyes
I second this!!! and it's also super super accurate too, even tho the main actress isn't actually autistic and just did a ton of research to make sure she presented it correctly. Super super wholesome series
hearing about joceylns abuse with her mother kind of gave me Jennette McCurdy vibes on how she used to describe her pain and the experiences her mother forced her through in her book, i wouldnt be shocked if the weekend saw that and went "okay but what if i made it worse and misconstrued that story and put it in the show"
Can puke from the though that they saw the popularity of the book and thought they can shove some CA in this garbage fire. Like does this sort of manipulation happen in RL? Sure. Should they have wrote it and shot it this way? Hell no. The framing is so messed up
This could be story about Jocelyn and her struggles with abusive mom, mental health and music career, but Weekend was like nah, how do I insert myself and my fantasies here 🤦🏻♀️
The disgusting comment about Epstein’s Island was the most offensive and vile thing I’ve ever heard. What a mockery and slap in the face to all those child victims, and victims of SA everywhere.
Far worse slap in the face of the victims from Epsteins island is the fact that it's all covered up from the beginning, a joke from a show really isn't that bad and it's giving very much performative activism
@@JoCalderone1 You can be appalled by a disgusting joke at the expense of victims of real life abuse without undermining the horrors of that abuse itself, as well as the way it’s been handled. It’s not performative activism to feel that that joke was wrong and uncalled for considering the way it pokes fun at and makes light of the reality that you’ve pointed out yourself. Plus, a comment on a UA-cam video would hardly be considered activism to begin with.
@@JoCalderone1Y’know the weekend isn’t going let you suck his d right? Also love how defending this show.. Because show mocking actual victims soo fun for whole family! Dear god you cannot be this dense
I am genuinely sorry you had to go through that. I had a very similar situation and can relate to how you may feel but I do have to disagree. This show does a really good job at highlighting certain types of abuse victims. Especially, Jocelyn's dialogue at the end of episode 3 is definitely accurate for some abuse victims. It reminded me of how even though my father hit and insulted things about me I cannot change, I still held on to some stupid reasons that he still loved me because he "made up" to me by buying me nice things to wear or eat. My mum got the brunt of the abuse. Because of that she was in a very vulnerable state for nearly two decades. She placed her trust in literally every person who wouldn't hurt her or call her demeaning names to her character. Like Jocelyn, she was manipulated by many men acting out of bad faith into giving out personal details of her abuse so that they could gain something from her. My mum's inheritance and a good chunk of her valuables were taken away forever because of that. I really have to disagree with D'Angelo on the realism part because this type of shit is realistic and is happening in many places, especially, misogynistic countries where marital abuse is running rampant.The "thank you" part is definitely an accurate thing that happens in places like India where the wife is expected to be grateful that her husband doesn't leave her.
Seriously. I def don’t want my partner to hit me and scream. It doesn’t motivate me at all. Trauma coping is weird tho but I don’t think this show is doing it correctly
@@JoeMama-ob2ydTHANK YOU. as a fellow survivor, i agree. and i would NOT watch this show keeping in mind my own triggers, because it IS realistic. its almost textbook, like my own experience word for word (fame/music industry aside). whats missing from this commentary and so many of the audience is that education or experience with abuse. i wish more people knew about survivor-centered culture, where survivors and their experiences take center stage when its comes to discussions / representations of abuse. thats whats missing here in this video and these comments.
@@JoeMama-ob2yd just because it did " a really good job at highlighting certain types of abuse victims ", it does NOT mean it's right for them to include such a thing. let alone have a supposed POS of a character act on it and have the victim thanking them for a recreation of their abuse and trauma. its sickening and it should not be ' romanticized ' as it's basically currently being.
If this show doesn’t end with her getting rid of all these people and moving on with her life in a positive nature then I truly have no idea what they were thinking making this show
It’s a show about the pop Star industry…why would you think there’s a happy ending to be had? Brittney Spears says what? Did you happen to notice what happened to her? They clearly draw the parallels in the first episode.
The ending had me SEETHING. As an abuse victim, I will never forgive anyone involved with this project. Not Lily, not the writers, and ESPECIALLY not The Weekend.
You'd think that after the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard case and her proximity to them, she'd make a better choice than to join a project with such a DEMENTED take on abuse.
@@nzarzeckiIn her defense, the original writer was fired for actually giving a female perspective. When she signed on, chances are it was a little more progressive.
@@Handles_be_dumb I mean, you're not wrong, but she could have backed out. It's not like she doesn't have clout behind her. Even with a contract, I feel like she had the power to walk away.
there's a way to write problematic characters without it feeling like the show itself is terrible but that would require the creators to have self-awareness
The part where Jocelyn was crying out for her mom was actually good, it made me REALLY emotional when I watched it which is a god damn shame considering the fact that the rest of the show. Is the rest of the show.
her crying out for her mom was so devastatingly real and heartbreaking. and the plot point of Dyanne replacing her!! like probably the only things remotely within the realm of actually interesting and worth pursuing. but no. we gotta sit through garbage instead
I'm almost certain that entire scene is probably the sole survivor from the Nepo Baby overhaul, because they probably didn't have time to reshot it. Also, the show was supposed to be 6 episodes but the 5th episode will be the last which really puts into perspective how much of a mess this whole production was.
Especially since he wanted to talk about the rotten music industry. Diane could've been a poster child for the ambitious but overseen background dancer who doesn't have famous parents in the industry, therefore who has to resort to every means to make a name for herself, whether by creating scandal/drama or by backstabbing Jocelyn not because she's brainwashed, but because it's a cutthroat industry. It's kill or be killed. Kinda like Andrew from the movie Whiplash: ready to sell his soul to make it to the big stage.
Tedros reaction to being called gay is probably the best acting we will get out of the weekend. He was actually able to make me a little scared about what he would do next.
That was the only time when his character felt genuinely intimidating. Every other time he just seemed so goofy while trying act tough I couldn't take him seriously.
thank you for watching this show for us! i recommend Summer Camp Island for some good eye bleach (: made by an artist who worked on Adventure Time, it's a very calm and wholesome show with some great lore than sneaks up on you.
The “Don’t Stop Dancing” song alone is much a deeper look into the exploitative nature within the entertainment industry than the entirety of The Idol, and it involves dancing popsicles and a cartoon horseman promoting laxatives.
I feel physically ill from the hairbrush thing. Like my stomach permanently rolled around. That scene made it from "just another bad show made by famous people" to "absolutely disgusting garbage"
At the part she called out for her mum, I actually saw so much potential in this storyline.😢😢😢 and this show really has a problem of its side characters being so much more interesting than the main character
Honestly same, and that scene made me especially sad seeing that LRD actually might have some real acting potential if she’s given material that’s actually in any way good 😢 I can’t see this show helping her career in any way, from the terrible dialogue to the abhorrent plot and character development, it feels like it will just stop her from ever being taken seriously as an individual and paint her as just another nepo baby seeking the limelight, and as someone who will take any role that brings attention to her name, even if it’s controversial for controversy’s sake. If the original script was really more female centred and empowering as we’ve heard it was, it feels like she may have actually intended to create a meaningful project as her big acting debut, and yet this is the reality we’ve ended up with.
@@rachaelfitzpatrick8574this is not her acting debut she’s done a few indie films and some French movies as well as The King on Netflix with Timothee chalamet
I think what's really disappointing is that there are moments where you can see that this genuinely was going to be a really good show. If Jocelyn had remained the focus like originally intended I think we would all be having a very different conversation.
Jocelyn’s life and career were more than enough to carry The Idol. You can see potential in different elements they’ve shown, from Jocelyn’s complex relationship with her mother, the weight of having to make a career-saving comeback, and even the phenomenon of current stars being “replaced” by the next big thing (Dyanne). The show was doomed by The Weeknd’s unnecessary presence and influence on the storyline.
As someone who was abused as a child and therefore motivated solely by fear, I cannot fathom putting that scene out into the world. Thank goodness I have a partner who encourages me to get mental health care to learn other forms of motivation, as opposed to just recreating trauma. Gross.
"more red flags than a Canadian gift shop" Is both one of the best lines I have ever heard and really shows how bad the situation is. Canadian gift stores are basically just flags.
I feel like they not only romanticize abuse but they invalidate the feelings that people might have toward abusive parents. They give such a shallow glance at how a kid who was abused might still care about their abuser. They really had such a chance at actually diving into the tangle of emotion and trauma that comes with the passing of an abusive parent. But instead they decide to focus on making it about the rattail cult being yesmen to a toxic relationship
I think Bojack horseman is a perfect counter to this show, because it 1) actually understands satire and how to construct it 2) is well written/well acted 3) is provocative in an intellectual way without becoming into what it provokes and 4) it actually DECONSTRUCTS not only Hollywood/celebrity culture/addiction/abuse/etc but also how Hollywood exploits these things into making content and how consuming said content actually affects the way we process life (example: how watching movies where the big gestures mean everything makes us think irl big gestures are enough).
As a Canadian, the phrase "more red flags than the Canadian gift shop" might be my new favourite line in any of your videos (which is hard to choose in general because of the quality of all your videos).
Not only has his performances in this show confirmed it, but the way Abel has been handling the crticism in interviews and on Twitter shows that he's simply not made to be a high-profile actor
@@autoestimasm3408 He’s been responding to almost everyone who’s been talking about him. From what I heard he’s responding to send his fans to attack them.
I miss when Abel Tesfaye didnt speak to news outlets much, because couldn’t have ever known this is what he’d be saying. Like bro self reported himself BIG TIME
The funniest thing is Tetris acting like the most intimidating person in the room when every other actor looks like they can snap him in half instantly
I know the show is bad entirely but something tells me that his character IS supposed to be perceived like that. Like, that was the purpose, the leaders of a cult are so appealing and attractive to some people, specifically vulnerable people, since the audience is not like that I think we are easily grossed out by Tedros, but Jocelyn, who is in a weak and vulnerable place is easily convinced by the "I care about you" "Im going to protect you" act. I repeat, not defending the show but I thing there is a lot more to analyze.
The main thing on my mind concerning this show is how they fired the female writer because the story was "too focused on the female prespective" when the MC is literally a woman! With most ppl saying the script she wrote was miles better than the final script. Its clear that they had nothing but the worst intentions. And are getting exactly what is deserved with the cancelation. Its a shame that we were robbed of what the show could've been and left with the mess of what it actual is.
They really said it was “too focused on the female perspective”?!?!! They are such morons!!! I can’t believe that they don’t get it! I really would have liked to see the original script :/ it’s a shame that there would have been a better show than the garbage we got.
I think this show has the exact same issue as the Netflix show, Cuties. To tackle/address a serious issue like the sexualization of children or the dark side of Hollywood (at this point, I've no clue what The Idol's message is anymore), you have to have good writing and a talented director to guide the narrative. Nothing against actors, but the actors in this show are amazing; we've seen (most of) them act wonderfully before in other properties. But they lack the source material here. And whatever message they were trying to convey originally, is being muddied under bad direction. Like you said D'Angelo, that scene with Jocelyn struggling to perform and crying for her mom was very powerful (I honestly think that's the only scene they kept from the previous female director)! If that same energy would have been felt throughout the entire show, it'd be a great short series to binge; but that's not what we got. To me, this show feels like it's glorifying more than critiquing the issues. Hoping they can somehow turn this around in the last 3 episodes - but my expectations are low. Anyway, I don't know if you're an anime fan, but I recommend Spy x Family! It's an adorable show!
I feel like the WGA strike has something to do with this. Not an excuse cause Sam sucks from a source material point, but lord they didn't have *nobody* to save this.......then again, that person was a woman so 🤷🏿♀️ 😅
As a victim of childhood abuse, I would first of all walk tf out before divulging all of my childhood trauma to this random man and his friends, you couldn't pay me to bring that up as dinner conversation. Second of all, the "why didn't you fight back" is so triggering. Because I DID fight back for a couple of years, and you know what happened? The abuse got worse. She hit me harder. Would say cruel, below-the-belt things that she knew would tear me apart and leave me questioning myself. One of the worst things you can say to an abuse victim is "why did you let it happen" or "why didn't you do something to stop it." Especially in a childhood abuse dynamic, the adult has all the power, by definition. You don't have options the way adult victims have legal options. Of all the sick and disgusting things on this show (and D'Angelo warned there would be a lot of them), that is the worst one for me by far. And then the "was it worth it" - fuck no, I have severe psychological issues as an adult and literally think of unaliving myself regularly. What a shitshow of a script.
I know it’s kinda corny and unhelpful but I do genuinely hope your doin at least okay now, I am never going to watch this actual show because even this video got some ptsd worked up, I don’t want to give any more words about this horrid show but I want to say you are strong man for even being here and sharing, it’s rough and even through a UA-cam comment sharing is tough but helpful for others in similar pain, you seem like a cool person and everything that happened to you genuinely sucks, it was not deserved, and that sounds like a terrible person at least awful parent
Yeah, abusers will severely punish ever little baby-step towards fighting back or resisting by just upping the intensity of the abuse. Sorry you hat to go through that.
If you really want a piece of media that describes the horror of idol culture, I highly recommend Perfect Blue. The surrealism and the horror perfectly mesh well while explicitly showcasing the main-character’s issues and distress. It’s better than whatever this mess is.
Watching Perfect Blue was what made me change my dream of being a part of the entertainment industry and find a new love/dream for other artistic careers lol. But seriously yeah I think just about everything that’s been said about how great and horrific this movie is has already been said but it’s just so well done.
I still have to watch thatttt. I'm embarrassed because I learned about it from reverse searching anime gifs LOL. But it's just very gorgeously animated. And then the storyline feels like right up my alley (I've already watched analyses of it.. I didn't mind spoilers cause I know it will still be good)
10:30 was kinda heartbreaking. It really shows that if there was an actually good, functional script, Lily Rose would have killed it. I really want to see the original script that was written, because there is NO WAY Sam and Abel wrote that in. Thats a genuinely crushing scene if it was part of a good series
It actually physically hurt me that such a good scene is trapped in such a bad show (that and the scene where the older man snaps his fingers for a gun thinking Jocelyn was in danger, such a good part)
kinda fully disagree with this. i’m pretty sure levinson wrote it, as much as he sucks he can be a very good character writer when he wants to be. also, i was just very unimpressed with lily rose-depp throughout the whole series including this scene. obviously she’s not as bad as the weeknd but she just completely fails to make me suspend my disbelief, the whole time i feel like i’m watching an actress and not a separate human being.
@loverboyclement6767 fair enough, being completely honest, I've never watched Euphoria or any other popular Levinson shows, so I probably don't have the most reliable take on what he has written and what he hasn't, its just such a stark difference to the rest of the scenes, it feels like it's from a different show. I can see your point about Lily Rose, however, with such a cringe awkward oversexualised script, it must be very difficult to express a realistic version, whereas in her scene where she was desperate, vulnerable, needing her mother, I feel like she really connected with the character and therefore she was spectacular in pulling it off(especially in comparison with other scenes).
I didn’t watch Euphoria because I heard that the characters are in high school and there would be a lot of explicit scenes in the show. I didn’t feel comfortable watching minors doing it. But I’ve heard more people criticise the bedroom scenes for this show than Euphoria, which is pretty weird to me. I didn’t and will not watch The Idol either but I do enjoy watching videos criticising the show. 😂
Idk why but when euphoria came out it was THE show, I feel like now the idol is out, it bought more awareness to Sam levinson and the problems with euphoria, and now people are more critical of both
D'Angelo sacrificed another handful of his brain cells for our entertainment. May they rest in peace :'( (PS: the butterfly clips are hella cute looking) My recommendation for eye bleach after all this: Good Omens Its such a fun, light-hearted and cutesy show with a very healthy main relationship, a great plot and good pacing/structure.
I second the recommendation of Good Omens, the series or the excellent book(of which there are several wonderful audio editions & even a free BBC radio drama on UA-cam out there (warning for a few “consider the attitudes of the times” problematic moments, though). Motion passed. Meeting adjourned. ❤
you can tell they blew the budget reshooting and casting all these celebrities. paired with the switch of director, i honestly have no clue why they thought this was a good idea to follow through on at all 😭
And the fact that it was a female director, like, an ounce of self awareness is free. Put another woman in the chair so you can respectfully tell a story about a woman, easy maths innit
@@Make_AWishbecause when you throw in 75 million dollars, it’s way too late to nope outta there. Might as well turn it into cringy click bait so people can talk smack about it
i almost guarantee the 'mom?' scene was leftover from the original script (you know, the one with "too much female perspective")- which is so frustrating bc it proves what it could have been before they brought the creepy euphoria guy into it. my evidence for this is all the rewritten parts have to be the unnecessary sex scenes + practically everything to do with tedros bc of how jarring they are in comparison to the solo jocelyn stuff, which is what we know the weeknd and sam were most involved in
fun fact: The Idol is not actually named after idols, but rather, is a portmanteau of the phrase "i don't like this", which is what you'll be saying when you watch the show
When Joss got the hairbrush, and tedros was standing by the fireplace, for one brief hopeful second, I thought he was going to tell her to throw it in the fire, as a symbolic cleansing… but nope, he just beat the shit out of her with it while everyone sat and watched. And then the electrocution scene in episode 4 confirmed without a doubt, this show is pure torture porn. Like… who was this shit made for??!
shining example of what porn does to your brain lmao. these men are so depraved they'll act out these disgusting torture/sex scenes and hide behind the "it's supposed to make you uncomfortable!" excuse. they're so fucking fake and gross. i hope they both and anyone who genuinely enjoyed those scenes get prostate cancer straight up.
After punishing myself and actually watching the series I'm now convinced that after the first director left the project they went and changed the plot of the story entirely, there are too many scenes and plot points that seem to indicate that the story focus laid somewhere else to where the series seems to be at.
That scene of Jocelyn at the music video shoot makes me so sad for what this show could have been because I bet that that is taken nearly unchanged from Amy Seimetz's script. It fits really well into the sort of show that she, and the rest of the original writers, cast, and crew were trying to tell - a story about the exploitation and dehumanisation of stars and the dark side of fame.
Absolutely agreed. I am so disappointed because this show genuinely could have been great. The Weekend's character and that whole plotline is just unnecessary and self gratifying. I keep wishing the plot focused on exactly what you described--the exploitation and dehumanization of stars.
I saw a comment that actually DID say this scene is from the original writing of the show. I don't know how much you could trust a youtube comment, but to be honest, it sounds so logical to me. I do not believe sam and abel - the most unapologetically misogynistic writers in a long moment - managed to write something human about a female character. they really don't make me believe they have the capacity to see a purpose to female characters besides their sexuality and "corrupted innocence"
correction: the cuts on jocelyn's legs were from her encounter with tedros, not the dancers. the spotlight showing her bloody legs turned what would've been a really raw, sympathetic emotional moment into yet another exploitative trauma porn shot. it could've just been her feet bloody from dancing her ass off, but sam & abel had to go and make her pain Sexier 🙃
Can never go wrong with a Ghibli marathon. I don't think I need to elaborate but beautiful art, thoughtful messages and stories, delightful scenes...A gentle cleanse for the soul, man.
How did I know, the moment Jocelyn started getting interrogated about her mother abusing her with a hairbrush, it was going to end with Tedros wanting to reimplement the use of the hairbrush...in the bedroom. Like, not only is it torture porn, but it's predictable too.
Knowing that Tedros is supposed to be a sort of Keith Raniere dupe honestly makes the show that much more upsetting: they take all of the shock and raunch of a story like what happened with NXIVM and DOS without properly or considerately portraying the manipulation tactics that preceed this level of degradation. People don't give up their autonomy at the drop of a hat, they don't get swept up in a torture cult overnight. This show is just an ugly amalgamation of the most shocking aspects of stories around NXIVM, Jeanette McCurdy, and Britney Spears without meaningfully saying anything about abuse- if the show has a point it's been lost in the showrunners' need to push shock entertainment over a worthwhile story. Maybe someone could have actually made an interesting villain out of Tedros and a compelling protagonist out of Jocelyn if this whole project hadn't turned into an ego stroke for Abel and Sam Levinson.
Well said. Tedros is meant to be manipulative and evil, and Jocelyn internalizes the abuse and so reacts the way she does. But all the nuance and reality is lost to the point that no viewer can empathize with Jocelyn or understand how she got into this situation - they just think she's dumb.
I've learned a lot about cults like NXVM and jonestown and people might enter them because the leader is charismatic, but they stay because the cult usually has some kind of blackmail on them or threatens them if they try to leave. This show is not realistic at all of how cults work.
My only information from The Idol is what I see in these youtube videos, without this comment I would have never thought Keith Raniere is the inspiration behind Tedros…. I thought he was just an uninformed idea of a cult leader but this makes it feel even more upsetting. Now it feels like even more of a mockery to ex-cult members and victims of ab*se…
The show seems to be moving so fast with their relationship but the plot seems to be moving slow as fuck. The end of this show should've ended with Joss *finally* joining the cult. At least in that case, they have more room to explore their predatory relationship before the finale. Tedros even barely made any connection at all to gain her trust here. Edit: wording
I haven’t personally watched this show, but from the videos I’ve watched I get the sense that Jocelyn’s trauma is rather fetishised by the show itself, rather than its plot setting awareness on the mental exploitation of the character. It’s a shame really because the whole storyline had a lot of potential, and Lily’s acting can actually be really good.I hope it gets better...
I'm just happy to know the likelihood of Robert Plant and his family seeing this episode is rarer than a shark attack. The writers are evil for mocking a real man's loss just for tv content that isn't even profound or deep.
I think the big failure of the writing in this show is that no one falls into toxic situations knowingly. Tedros fails as a controlling abuser bc abusers are really charming when you first meet them. He's not supposed to be creepy from the jump 🙄
idk. i get what ur saying but from what we learn later about jocelyn past abuse at the hands of her mom it kind of makes sense that subconsciously she would be attracted to that for stability
@bronzeecho hm, i hear ya. sometimes you can be aware of patterns and still hope it’s real love this time, that you can really change the person from what you “learned” in the first abusive relationship. Or because one was familial, you may not exactly recognize what it looks like in romantic relationships, especially when they cross professional lines. It gets messy and confusing fast. PTSD isn’t as simple as knowing and stopping repeated traumas, unfortunately.
@@reeverecor5096in the context of a tv show you have to be portraying your character in a way that elicits the desired response from your audience. It doesn’t really matter if we can justify Jocelyn’s attraction to him, we the audience have to be able to see him as both attractive and creepy for the show to work, and between the terrible writing and Abel’s acting (huge fan of his music btw), we just see him as repulsive, so the plot doesn’t make sense.
For anyone who wants a story that goes into the depths of show business exploitation, a complicated mother-daughter relationship and the struggles of coming to terms with that abusive parental figure passing away, read Jennette McCurdy's (yes, the actress from iCarly) biography "I'm glad my mom died". It's heartbreaking, funny, raw and smart. It's a story that *actually* needs to be told.
Miley's episode on black mirror (ashley o?) about pop idol who exploited by everyone around her is actually good ep but idk why they received a lot of hate?? Is it because *spoiler alert* The story focus on her struggle, and her teenager fan that actually saved her live and they got happy ending??? 😌🙄
@@kuroroedamame in my opinion, it's because the episode just kinda got disappointing after the first act. in the beginning, it seemed to be a promising episode about a teenager obsessing over a popstar, parasocial relationships, if these one-sided fictional relationships can be good or are inherently toxic, how the idealized versions of people we have in our heads are often very different from that person's real self, and if we should rather choose the truth or continue to live in that fiction but after that, the episode just kinda forgets all about the teenager's arc and the themes it was setting up, to instead shift gears and turn into a completely different, far more generic and a lot less interesting story that's kind of like a disney channel movie with slapstick and cartoonish villains. it would've been fine on it's own, but I think the problem a lot of people had, was that it set up a lot of interesting stuff and then just slapped us in the face for expecting it to follow through with those original themes.
Honestly the part where she calls out for her mom hurts so bad. A mother figure in my life died years ago but I still find myself wanting to call her until I quickly remember she's gone. The other day I saw a unicorn necklace and thought about how she would have love that for her birthday 💔
i'm so sorry for your loss, i get the wanting to talk to someone who's gone so hard, i keep wanting to send stupid shit to my favorite person who's passed every day:(
If you haven't watched 'Arcane', it is all the things this show isn't 😂 The characters are likeable, deeply flawed and complex. Even the villain is sympathetic. There's a lot of nuance to the plot which is strong throughout the show and it's visually stunning. Don't let the tie to League of Legends scare you, it's a masterpiece
I'm glad to see Arcane get attention like this. I've been a fan of the art direction of League for years, so it's nice to see people seeing that side of the game.
Im going to take a big leap here and say that all the scenes you find to be good and tolerable were probably the concepts or even final scenes made by the former writters and directors. Im thinking this because apperently every scene jennie is in or has an active role in was shot before Abel and the euphoria director ruined everything. So I just find it facinating that the only scenes you can complement are the ones that were not heavily influenced by the rewrite. Makes you wonder why they scraped it.
Thought the exact same thing. I know they did a lot of reshoots but the jarring difference in writing between the music video shoot scene and everything else around it feels like they decided to keep the original one in. If you think about it that actually seems like the only scene that has "plot". Everything else is just character driven or expository or well a sex scene. It's structured differently writing wise. And it looks like a different directing style as well. I haven't watch Euphoria so I don't know much of that guy's writing but from the rest of the show, truly feels inconsistent.
@@ArturGlass.C exactly! The small spinkles of an emotionally impactful story vs the random terrible dialogue pornos is so jarring. Thats probably why the series just gets worse as it goes on, it's like they no longer have the former material to leech from.
some corrections to your comment. Jennie was never a part of the original cast. The original cast is available to see on deadline. Out of the original cast, the only ones who stayed were lily, Abel, troye and Suzanna... Every one else was let go. Jennie was brought in once sam took over as the sole director and writer. Sam was actually the one who offered Jennie the role after her close friendship with the weeknd. As for "former writer" there actually were none. This show was originally created, pitched to HBO and written by Sam and Abel. They hired Amy Seimetz to direct but let her go after her vision didn't align with theirs. All facts here... no assumptions
@@ArturGlass.C this is factually incorrect. sam goes into extreme detail about the music video shoot during the idol's press conference and how they were able to capture that entire beautifully shot scene. I know we all hate sam (rightfully so) but discrediting his work by saying someone else did it is just ethically wrong lmaoo
When she called for her mom I understood. My mother in law passed and about a week after my husband forgot and called her and asked if I’d heard from her and reminded me of our weekend at her house and to see him wake up completely and have reality crash around him crushed me. It’s hard to lose someone and be struggling with depression and/or anxiety/mental illness. And then to feel like you can’t grieve without a spotlight on you… it’s hard
28:00 As a victim of abuse myself, I can genuinely say that this sequence of events made me drop my jaw so low that I may as well have torn my temporomandibular joint. Like, NEVER in my ENTIRE LIFE have I seen a line in media that made me think "this can't get any worse" before being followed with an amalgamation of vowels and consonants strewn together that could only manifest from within the ghastly pits of hell. FOUR TIMES. CONSECUTIVELY. I have to say--that was genuinely impressive in such a warped way. So impressive that I never want to hear it again. And no, Tedros, I will not be creating art out of this. Edit: SCRATCH THAT--7 TIMES. BECAUSE I HADN'T EVEN FINISHED THE FULL SEQUENCE. I think this scene is so deeply aggravating mostly because of how it takes itself seriously and outright refuses to call itself out in any manner. Then, when you pair that with the entire context and the very nature of the entire show and the way it tries to imbue Tedros's fucked up word vomits with a paltry layer of false realism, it just becomes so much more sickening... Edit 2: 8 times now. Purely because they decided to include this scene IN THE SHOW and ADD A FUCKING WEEKND SONG IN THE BACK. You can't make this up. I've known the Tedros character for bits and pieces of 3 episodes and he's managed to become one of my least favorite characters in all media--only stymied by Onision's downright ridiculous self-inserts that he wrote into the putrid books I sat through in a few relatively comedic book review videos.
Well you should watch more movies then, you sound no cultivated enough in cinema to think this is the worse u can do 😂 And I’m sorry to hear about your trauma but it’s not a valid point to criticize a movie or a show, no one cares about personal trauma 🤷🏻♀️ the show is not good because it lacks quality not because tedros is abusive
"It's Okay to Not Be Okay" is a Korean drama that I love because not only is it a heartwarming love story, but it's also got great music, amazing female lead, healing from trauma, interesting iconography (butterfly), and the reality of how difficult it is to live with ASD.
The thing that makes me so genuinely angry about this show is that there was so much potential for it to be spectacular. The cast (barring the weekend) is extremely talented and the dark music industry storyline is so ripe with potential, especially when there are world-famous popstars right there in the cast! If Sam Levinson and The Weekend had kept their hands off of it, I think this would have been great. Oh, and if they had utilized Jennie's talent and perspective more...
as a dark satire just focusing on jocelyn and her team (with maybe tedros as a mild background who's a slimy producer if even that) it'd be much better.
Jennie is not even the most interesting or important part of this show, if the writing could just be better without trying so hard to make it look shocking or edgy by glamorizing mental illness and s3x like that,i think I'd enjoy it more
You know damn well they only brought in jennie due to her kpop fame. They didn't fully utilize her because they never planned to. She's a token, shes only there for marketing.
seeing the emotional scenes with jocelyn makes me wish we'd gotten to see the "female perspective" that was originally intended... i don't necessarily think it would've been that much better, but it could at least have been more interesting to watch and discuss
A show that actually handles grief really well is The Bear! The second season just came out and it’s phenomenal, great acting, music, cinematography, plot, etc. Highly recommend as a segway into exploring grief in TV!
Ooooh yeah, I just rewatched the Christmas Dinner episode and it's so funny and tragic at the same time. Honestly my favorite bit is when the Fak brothers walk into the kitchen asking where their gifted skateboards are and if they could spend the night 😝
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Segway Human Transporter's greatest impact on society has been not in changing how people travel, but in changing how people spell "segue"
This show could have explored such interesting things. A pop star falling into a cult like lifestyle after extreme grief has such potential. It’s so disappointing that this is what we got.
Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is an absolutely amazing show that centers women and explores mental illness and trauma in a way that isn't gross and awful. It's hilarious, creative, stars so many talented people, is a freaking musical, and is pretty lighthearted so it's great eye bleach lol. It's one of my favorite shows and I highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it 💕
I LOVE that show! Speaking of musical tv shows, have you seen Schmigadoon/Schmicago? If you like CXG, you'll probably love that show too (I like season 2 better than season 1).
Oh geez, I remember hearing the "hard times make good art" mantra in grad school. It was ridiculous. Hard times make miserable artists who shut down and miss deadlines or crank out work due to obligation and nothing else. Sometimes someone makes something deep as part of their healing process, but it's not some 1:1 sadness-to-masterpiece ratio. It's up there with "working 24/7 is good, actually" as stupid shit people say about creative industries.
Agreed! I despise the tortured artist trope. Artists can use everything as inspiration and that includes pain, but not exclusively!!! Like yeah if [artist] didn't experience [trauma] they wouldn't have made [trauma-inspired art] but they would have found inspiration from something else and maybe have created something even better. Or they could have created something better if they didn't die tragically young from mental health problems!
true, i often feel bad that i can’t make any meaningful art when i’m feeling down all because of this weird expectation, there’s nothing great about struggling and being unable to fulfill anything or feel satisfaction with the things that you make. even if everyone thinks it’s your best piece
couldn't agree more. the same trauma that inspired me to create certain artistic projects is also the reason why i end up not having enough will to live so i can finish and release them to the world
The Good Place is a very great TV show about being a good person and fighting a flawed system and it's really clever and fun to watch. Highly recommend
And the ending / near ending is just .... Truly phenomenal. I have goosebumps just thinking back to that really heart wrenching but beautiful line about the ocean and them sitting and watching sunset and the morning after ... :( (don't wish to spoil it bc it's so so so worth watching).
oh i forgot to mention that the weeknd said this in an interview: "tedros is that superego that we as men wanna stay away from as much as possible, that's inside of us and we just gotta kill that"... like nah speak for yourself because that self-report is CRAZY 💀
he should've just stayed with his music career
Holy shit 💀does bro mean the id
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2 minute gang!!!!!
Fun fact. You can make a show or movie meant to make the viewer uncomfortable and disgusted without making it an unbearable watch.
Whats your top recommendation?
@@MissJeriB i think Reqiuem for a dream fits the criteria
@@MissJeriB I would recommend Perfect Blue. It is a better version of this shitshow.
@@LovefortheMoon00fantastic flick
@@MissJeriBseason 1 of Jessica Jones
The fact that they glorified her trauma as "motivation to make her work harder" is insane.
And of course to exploit her situation all in their interest!!
The icing on the crazy cake was how Tedros basically says she should be grateful for being abused & then she thanks him for putting her through it all over again.
Art oftentimes shows, without asigning the value 'good' to what it shows - which can be wrong but still interessting to explore. It seems to me, that you just don't get It.
Reminds me of GOT and how being raped always makes women stronger. As if it's good for women to suffer in a round about way. It's weird.
@@nonvalid962this show is far too stupid to talk about abuse with any good nuance. I'm sorry but this shit is just awful. Other shows can do that but this?? It fails on every level. In basically every category.
It’s almost meta how a show about female exploitation by creepy men in Hollywood became a reality show about female exploitation by creepy men in Hollywood
It’s almost darkly amusing that the men objected to being made to look like predators and then turned around and wrote a show that makes them look even more like predators.
This show is incredible in how terrible it is. It attempts to comment on the exploitation of women in Hollywood, by exploiting women...
Incredible.
@@abigailrowe5024Kinda like how Cuties was about child exploitation while being even worse than child exploitation
@@randomnerd3402 cause there was ACTUAL child exploitation in it lol. Always agreed with Charlie. the simple change of literally just not using real kids would have changed so much
@@randomnerd3402it’s awful but i wouldn’t say even worse knowing how child exploitation is??
I think that scene with Jocelyn crying and calling for her mom is what the show would have been, before the worst men ever got involved
exactly
To me it feels like fragments of the original were kept and then the mess that was the weekend and sam Levi son is just added in with no cohesion whatsoever to me it felt like two different stories being told
@@tatewaller414 it feels like they kept the scenes they liked without understanding why those scenes were in the original script in the first place
The way my jaw dropped when he told Jocelyn to go get the brush. This is not dark, controversial art, this is not satire, this is disgusting. I am sick and tired of men making disgusting, horrible shows and calling it “art that is supposed to make you think.” There is nothing here to comment on what women go through in the music industry, you are just making torture porn.
They think we don't know to interpret disturbing and uncomfortable topics/situations. There is no reason why they have to be a) so graphic b) sexual and c) glamourising and minimising mental health struggles which jocelyn clearly has and T*** is not helping AT ALL
Leave it to a guy director to think he can interpret mental health problems in women in the entertainment industry.
If we could put gifs on UA-cam here is where the Meryl Streep standing ovation would go 👏🏼
@@lesbiangoddess290I swear way too many male directors just can’t NOT fetishize women, like if they’re being abused, killed, assaulted, they have to add a sexual element to it. Like they can’t see women outside of being sexual.
100% agree, using such graphic stuff, especially the deep trauma and super needless and recurring sexual scenes this way just to get views is clearly lazy writing. And the creators are still trying to disguise as super edgy art, but no one is buying it. Lazy and clearly made to satisfy some sick desires by Sam Levinson and The Weekend.
The scenes with Lily calling for her mom, talking about her past, or pushing herself way past her limits, and Destiny + Chaim protecting her shows me what this series could have been if the crusty ass Weekday and Samuel didn't completely squash it with their grubby hands
😭not weekday and samuel
Weekday is his name now
She’s an okay actor, I can’t take her seriously as a main lead with her current skills lol same with Jennie’s acting. Just bad acting all around for such a high profile budget
Omg! 😂 Best take ever!
I think that Samuel and the Weekday just shoehorned a bunch of sex scenes and bs into this series and called it a day. All of the good stuff in this abomination of a show feels like it was written by someone better.
it's unfortunate how Jocelyn's character is coherent (she hasn't known true love, only abuse and exploitation, so of course she seeks it out when she has lost it) and how unfortunately understandable her decisions are in her situation, yet this is all completely crushed by this soulless exploitative borderline tortune porn of a show
Oh god, yeah. It feels like the few good scenes from this show are remnants of Amy Seimetz’s original version, held back by the current version of the show made by The Weeknd and Sam Levinson that just used this as an outlet for their fetishes. Made the scene with Jocelyn’s breakdown even more crushing…
Also lots of abuse victim myths about wanting or seeking out abusive situations. She's going in enthusiastically to a bad experience against her support system - which isn't the reality
@@Witchy_Hoo exactly, i feel like if she had been the one directing till the end this could have been an actual interesting look in the effects being a public figure has on this cycle of abuse one can be stuck in, aka an experience that unfortunately happens to people all over the world whether famous or not
we could’ve seen how hollywood exploits this for their gain, how you are not allowed to heal properly because you have to move on to the next big thing, how people will seek you out during this vulnerable time to capitalise on it, etc. and instead we have this
@@emptyhead242 they’re mixing this current hollywood obsession with everyone knowing psychology so well and being so deconstrued and aware of themselves with the sad reality that you seek what you know because feeling bad is what’s comfortable to you, so she fully acknowledges that she ‘likes his rapey vibe’ etc. even though that only happens in rare scenarios and most people always end up in abusive relationships because to them that is just what a normal relationship is period
@@KitKat-mp8tlI agree with all of your points except the assumption that Amy Seimetz version would be better. I'm aware that Sam Levinsion is a voyeuristic creep but their has been little actual verified reporting about the orignal version of the show led by the female creator. It is inconclusive if that version would've been better or worse.
It’s extremely gross that Idol basically took Jeanette McCurdy’s entire situation with her mom (from the “motivation” to her getting cancer) and then thought it was okay to give to Jocelyn for extra drama.
oh wait you're right
I literally was yelling this the other day!!
honestly any & all nods to actual stars that sorta had a similar experience (like miley cyrus nod in one of the eps) caused such a viscreal reaction in me like fine have your little rape fantasies to yourself but dont you dare drag real people's trauma into ur 50 shades of gray knockoff
Exactly this. It’s also clear The Weeknd based a lot on Selena. It’s actually sick
@@vvaveaveright! It felt so awful to me because reading her book, it’s pretty fucking clear how tormented Jeanette McCurdy was/is by the way she was treated, and they’re just like “yes let’s use her very raw and very real pain to make a shitty TV show”
Thank you, D'Angelo for watching this for me so that I don't have to die from second hand cringe
I'm dying here from third hand cringe 😔
Ey, good to see you here, foreign!
Seriously… also why am i seeing you like everywhere?
Lmao this is like watching Pitch Meetings to see him make fun of a movie you don’t want to watch 😂
Its third hand embarrassment for me, thats how bad this show is 😭
Hearing the "it was too feminist" allegations and seeing some of the good scenes and the good acting in this show tells me this could have been an absolute masterpiece
legitt
not with the week-end acting in it
@@vernon137this is such a massive reason
Now I'm upset 'cause we can't live in the alternate timeline in which we actually have that instead of this horseshit.
'lets explore female exploitation in Hollywood - but we can't focus on the women too much.'
Small brains over there in Hollywood.
Watching D’Angelo CRINGE while editing had me LITERALLY laugh out loud omg! 😂😂😭😭😭 I had to play it twice bc he was all of us in that moment
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He probably had to re watch it at least five times to edit it down. Woof!
ok
@@johnrivers3813 15:02 That right there is hard work
@@johnrivers3813That's just torture. No wonder he looks like he's in physical pain. Nobody deserves that.
As a euphoria viewer, bringing up an interesting storyline and then literally NEVER bringing it up ever again is a classic Sam Levinson move
wait i can’t remember, which storyline from euphoria are you talking about? (if you are talking about euphoria)
@@salvobunny in s1 they show that Kat is being blackmailed during her online camming and they never adress the storyline after that, they just show her getitng blackmailed and next season she suddenly stops doing cam work, also in s1 McKay is SA by a group of men and they literally only use this plot to justify him in turn SA'ing Cassie, it never gets addressed (Mckay or Cassies assault) and they never show his character. In s2 Rue still owes her dealer money, theres no reprecussions in this season or implication that anyone watching/monitoring her after losing a shit ton of money she just gets to have a hopeful monologue at the end. Theres def more but i can't remember them all rn but Levinson literally writes something thrilling then never addresses it or allows the characters to be okay with being hurt even if it doesnt make sense to the plot
@@arianagarcia732 holy shit that’s right! i forgot about all of that, thank u!
@@arianagarcia732brooo i legit forgot about those like they fully gave up on developing kat as a character
@@arianagarcia732I almost forgot about the whole McCay situation lol
The fact that they announced that it’s being cut from six episodes to five the same day this came out is perfection.
"This shit expensive.... YEET"
I was so confused when I seen it I was like “thought there was 6…” like if they could just cut it like that makes it clear they could have cut the s3x scenes down by a lot and saved time
Great googly moogly
@@theuncannydag Maggie and the ferocious beast is 100% a better show, I agree
Something that totally happens to “best show of the summer” right? 😂
its crazy to try to make a show about female exploitation, but then say that the show was going "too much into a female perspective" when a woman was directing it. honestly that complete lack of self awareness sums up the whole show. how are yall not embarrassed 💀
"Let's make a show exposing how terrible the industry treats young women. Like labeling basically teenagers as "idols", and then turning them into sexdolls that have no agency and treated less than huma---"
Levinson and Weeknd: "YES! Let's make a show about idols that are sexdolls, GREAT IDEA! Wait why is there so much girly stuff in here? No one wants that... Also, not enough topless scenes."
just here to tell you i love your icon
@@supermarygso on the money. Its GROSS
Literally my first thought when watching D'Angelo's last vid. Like that's a level of irony you'd see in an episode of The Office
Don't read my name!...
You can really feel the potential of a good story when she explains how her mother beat her. It recontextualizes the (already good) scene of her asking for her mother because now we know she wasn’t begging for her mom to help support her, she was asking for her mom to punish her for a bad performance. It’s not spelled out for you (probably because this fucked up version of the story doesn’t realize how horrible this is) so the audience member has to connect the dots leading you to a upsetting revelation. Of course then because this is The Idol it’s turned into a good thing that her mother beat her and made into some weird fantasy. I feel like that’s the biggest plotpoint where you feel the original narrative being warped to fit this weird degenerate male fantasy.
Genuinely one of the worst things is that you can see little glimmers of a good idea/story in here but they're ignored and just steamrolled to cater to the creator's gross fantasy. Almost any redeeming quality is overshadowed by the horrendous torture porn. The scene of Joslyn crying for her mom and then that later context has a lot of like threads that would make for a compelling narrative but nooooooo have this horrific sex scene instead
@@nox7919 yeah, these are the kinds of shows that frustrate me the most. Like bad shows are just bad but bad shows where you can see the bits of potential for a genuinely good story just make me sad that so many creators aren’t allowed to tell the stories they want because of assholes who think they know better…
The scene of her and Jaime only for her to put ice between her legs.....it's like shards of glass in dirt
I'd recommend reading Jeanette McCurdy's memoir "I'm Glad my Mom Died" if you want a good compelling story of a mother abusing her daughter in showbusiness and the daughter growing after her mother's death
And correct me if I’m wrong but they even reveal her abuse story was a lie…WHAAAAAT
seeing lily-rose depp act her ass off compared to abel barely acting throws me off every time without fail
It makes me hopeful for when she gets actually good roles. This won't define her career, it'll just be a rough patch when we look back, like her dad with his earlier projects
@@nailinthefashion Hopefully under a competent director like Robert Eggers she can shine in Nosferatu
She's not a good actor
She seems good incomparison to Abel who really can't act. Lily has limited range,
@@PM-ik5vu let her evolve in the same way you should learn not to be so overly negative
@@allysoncurtis4732 I'm so curious. Damsels can be so bland so easily. As the other person mentioned, range would be important
the frustrating part about this show is that you can see the original vision bleeding through. the parts that are focused on Jocelyn are really good, and her storyline is very interesting. it’s when Tedros is on screen that you can see where Sam Levinson made his alterations.
A show with great potential ruined by sam levinson’s perversion.
@@avavavaa & more to come, i fear
Nah Joce is also a terrible person.. esp in ep 4 you will see. Clearly tedros is terrible and she can see that, she doesnt care about leia(her supposed best friend ) at all
You know that it was written by Abel and Sam Levinson tho,
@@gokcenakdag8189 hm, i don’t remember saying Jocelyn was a good person? i actually think she’s interesting because she’s not. she was clearly originally written as a very complex character and i really wanted them to expand on that, but with Sam Levinson’s rewrite of Tedros, i don’t think we’ll ever see much more of Jocelyn’s character. you’ve misunderstood my comment, is what i’m trying to say. i don’t think any of them are good people but i can get behind a problematic character if they are interesting, the issue is that Tedros isn’t, he’s just the former.
The whole scene when she calls out to her mom is genuinely so heart-rending and made me cry. It sucks that there's a good show buried beneath all this fetishization of abuse and misogyny 😞
I feel this way about so many shows and movies these days. There is so much potential there, and you keep watching hoping it's eventually going to be good, and it never is. I usually get to the end and ask, what did I just watch? I don't think that's the question they want people asking when they say they want to make you think.
I mean, didn’t the show get major rewrites/ reshoots? I think we saw a glimpse into what the show used to be
@@robineaken4524Yes, the script was rewritten because of too much focus on the “female perspective” according to Abel. There was a woman writing and directing the script beforehand but they gave her no time to make a fully realized story before handing it over to Sadist Sam
@@girl24689 didnt the female director got booted out of the show because of the "too much female perspective"?
@@girl24689 but jocelyn's perspective is the best part! Smh
I've had someone ask me "why did he do that?" about my abuser s*xually assaulting me from when I was 4 to 10. It sent me into a mental health spiral so bad I had to be hospitalized. NEVER ask someone that.
That's actually so horrible. I hope you're healing well ❤
I hope you’re doing well angel. Stay strong, the road is rough but worth traveling, and you don’t have to do it alone. I hope you’ve found good support systems, you deserve peace and happiness.
fOUR?! that abuser deserves a life sentence. hope ur currently well omg.
Because that is who he is.
It is unfortunate what happened to you.
He did it because he’s a horrible person. It had nothing to do with you. None of it was your fault. I promise
I had an art teacher who would say something along the lines of "I don't care if it's deliberate, it LOOKS like a mistake. If it's a mistake but it looks deliberate, then it's art. But if it looks like a mistake, then it's a mistake."
I think that describes this show pretty well.
took the words right out of my mouth
@@soloheroinahelllo art teacher
Gonna have to disagree with your art teacher on that one tbh
"If you play the wrong note once, it's a mistake, if you play it twice it's Jazz"
Or something like that.
Don't read my name!...
This show just confirmed that Euphoria was successful DESPITE Sam Levinson, not because of him
lmfao
yup, that's what I was thinking as well
I'm really glad they wasted literal millions on him, especially after the criticism of season 2 being bland, boring, and having dumb side plots. Zendaya was and still is, the backbone. She brought people into watch, and she is the only reason they stay. I hope HBO realizes how fucking stupid they were at letting this production get trashed, and giving horrible working conditions and expectations to its cast and crew, ultimately allowing for a shit story with terrible acting to grace our screens with their logo plastered on it.
@@rachel5399 me personally, Euphoria is my favorite show, and I like never get bored and I think season two is better than season 1. But that’s ME. The criticism on season 2 is so valid that I can’t begin to defend it. The only reason it stayed relevant was because of the actors and actresses putting in the WORK to make the show as good as it could be. Also, I feel like it just has a appeal to teens who can heavily relate to one or many of the characters and that itself puts it ahead. Season 3 doesn’t look too good though, just from Sam Levinson’s revealed choices thus far. I mean, he fired Barbie Fierra (Kat) just for having different opinions on how her character should be developed. If that doesn’t say shit idk what does.
@@rachel5399Zendaya was definitely the reason people tuned in to begin with but i think the rest of the cast is also well loved. Personally i love jules and am watching for Hunter Schaefer and i now Sydney and Alexa demie are well loved!!
Point is, most of the actors are great but the plot, the uneccesary nudity and sexualization of teens and romanticising abusive relationships is why the show sucks and all those fall on Sam Levinsons.
Sad to think how great Euphoria and even The idol would be if not for Sam. ://
I so badly want a show that shows the truth of hypersexuality- that it is a trauma response. It isn’t sexy, it is so painful. It is a form of self harm. They could have shown her side so much better- how mentally exhausting it is. I know how it feels deeply and it could make for a very real snapshot into what it’s like. But instead they made it so it was hot for her to act that way. When in reality, she would be full of doubt and pain over what she’s doing. Idk I’m rambling now but it just sucks to see this happen again.
Yes!!! Been waiting for this for almost 10 years, been let down by euphoria s2 w Cassie's (of course) & Fiona in shameless' arcs. It'd also allow for us to understand Tedros' ability to weasel into her life since they didn't pull off the cult leader charisma. It can feel impossible to say no when you're struggling with that, you're sexually abusing & manipulating yourself it's like you go on autopilot
theres a ukrainian show that showcases hypersexuality really good but im not sure they have any translations😭
Crazy Ex Girlfriend definitely touches on it, but I'm not sure that's everyone's cup of tea
I've found this to be consistently true. Everyone I've known who experiences hypersexuality finds it both very unfulfilling and very often regretful.
@@moonie3866second Crazy Ex-Girlfriend! One of my favorite shows:)
omg i didnt realize hearing "why didnt you fight back" was a trigger for me until tedros said it. thats 80% of the time the response i get when i talk abt my trauma 😭
💜
The way I actually started sobbing when he said that. If somebody said that to me I'd actually flip the fuck out.
@@umcharley its mostly just astonishing when ppl say it to me i just go :0 like how do u even think of saying that and acting like thats normal 😭😭
@@ook4698 Right like??? (TW: abuse I’m sorry for bringing this up) “Why didn’t you just tell you mom to stop dragging you around the house by your hair?? You could’ve said no.” Like excuse me????😭 I was 7 and you expect me to fight back against a 40 year old woman?????? It’s such an absurd thing to say to someone.
@@umcharley exactly 😭😭
Don't let the terrible dialogue or acting distract you from the fact that those butterfly hairclips on D'Angelo are *iconic*
The butterfly clips were distracting me the whole video
IKR THEY ARE STUNNING
So beautiful 😍
i just wished he would have put these locks by the side of his head so it would open up his face! but they are amazing anyway!
They look sparkly shiny and I love them
This show is weirdly inspirational, it shows that anyone can make better content than what Sam Levinson puts out
This comment is honestly so funny😂😂😂😂
Yes!! The only thing he ever does, is show off women’s naked bodies, not for the plot but just because he wants to. There’s so many nude scenes that are literally pointless. It feels so exploitative because it really is. It feels like he hired people that he wants to see naked.
😂😂😂
Euphoria is a great show though
@@BeautyToTheMax99no, it's not. It's a mediocre show only helped by the attractiveness of it's characters. It was even more mid after Sam Levinson finished copying the original idea for Euphoria s1, & the fuel ran out cause it was never his idea to begin with.
as an abuse victim (not physical, but verbal & mental) the way they depicted jocelyn's experience is SO telling to how these guys view abuse like. jesus christ
The female main character is doing a good job in my opinion, like she portrays herself well, and I think with the right script her character could have been great and portraying the realities of mental abuse and eventually growth but the bad acting of The Weeknd and the back script is just killing her :((
As an abuse victim of all types if abuse, it was truly, truly sickening to watch. Like im full on sick.
You're a bad bitch and I'm proud of you.
That might be the only mild accuracy they depict in this cesspool.
I haven't read any of the creators' reactions to the backlash for this yet but I'd _bet_ they're gonna do the whole _"he's the bad guy, you're supposed to think what's he doing is wrong"_ shtick, and _completely_ miss the point of the criticism they're getting.
@@TrackpadProductions thats basically what the weeknd said about it lmao
Perfect blue is a much better representation of an idol struggling, dealing with the pressure of being famous. Having identity crisis. It’s also a really good thriller with good plots
this!!
Not to mention that its visually STUNNING
Based
and literally the only cartoon that has actually scared me
perfect blue also has scenes of s**** abuse that are treated as horrifying and appalling, this show just makes them look "sexy". gross
I wish a room full of men stopped trying to write a woman’s story.
Like this is supposed to be a story of a vulnerable woman falling victim to a man’s abuse, and I just don’t understand how the weekend and the euphoria guy thought they were the right people to tell that story
They used a "bad boy" trope to write an abusive character. No one with a support system like Jocelyn would fall for a man like Tedrose, it just doesn't work that way. They gain their power over victims by being nice in the beginning, but he was never nice.
It's so bizarre, especially as a trauma survivor.
Exactly
maybe because he has first hand experience being fucking disgusting
Especially after the ACTRESSES IN EUPHORIA felt objectified and not heard when they voiced their concerns of always being fucking naked on the show
Male audacity, as usual. That’s all. Just basic af male audacity.
Abel (the person) is so omnipresent in the show. He's a co writer, supposedly got his screen time expanded, his music is the soundtrack, they're filmin in his house... All while monopolizing the run time and delivering an embarrassing performance. Like, I've truly had enough of this dude.
it reminded me of what drew gooden said in a lily sign video about the youtube high, basically a youtube getting high on all the attention and praise and thinks "I can do everything" without realizing that you are never as good the best comment and never as bad as the negative comment, so in that high they start to think that they can never fuck up and then fucks up
maybe the Weeknd got that point, an Artist high, because he does do good music, I dunno why no one around him like stopped this madness before it hits
The fact he is so omnipresent feels so narcissistic as if he wants to be everywhere people can see because he thinks he is good at everything
I had a mostly positive-to-neutral opinion of The Weeknd before this, and now I actively dislike him so…good job?
@@nahaji Did you see that video of him winking and pointing at the camera? He thought he looked hot 😭😭
Its honestly hilarious thinking back to how he was seen as mysterious and quiet when he first started putting out music but has turned into a human fart who lingers in the room too long
This series could have honestly been a great commentary on the industry, I think the part where Jocelyn strived for a perfect take until her feet bled was the best part of the whole show cause it showed her human side and her inability to accept anything less than what she thinks is extraordinary. Sadly it was sandwiched between random sex scenes and batshit insane dialogue
Thank you! Don't give her depth (Deppth?) and sympathy then continue to show her as a thoughtless object.
with how the show is progressing, that whole scene where she has a breakdown was actually just an act. Jocelyn is a master manipulator and a sociopath at that. She seems naive and weak but she has been in control all this time. The show is setting her up as some kind of sociopathic femme fatale. Everyone's confused as to how the Weeknd's uncharismatic character pulled her and got her infatuated with him when in reality she's not actually infatuated with him at all. She's just using him for her own personal gain. The opening shot of the series where Jocelyn instantly displays different ranges of emotion on cue is a hint that she can easily manipulate. It's almost clear that she abused and killed her mother at this point. It'll all be clear once the final episode airs. I think this show should've been released in its entirety at once before people wrote it off
I have to agree. I thought that scene was very well done.
@nickalem5692 making her a femme fatal isn't exactly better. That's a known misogynistic trope, and would actually be one of the worst routes they could take it.
@@nickalem5692ngl this story isn't much better given the topic they're exploring
God, the abuse scene is genuinely horrifying. My dad did the same shit to me if I struggled to read correctly, did my math wrong, or asked stupid questions. If I got in trouble at school and had a slip sent home, I would beg my mom not to show my dad because I knew what would happen. He beat me to "motivate" me and took all the credit when someone said I was smart or well-behaved. That entire scene left me in tears because all I could see was my experiences. The fact that they put this in the show proves it's nothing more than torture porn and shock value. It's fucking vile
The part where Jocelyn says “this is something no one is doing” & Nikki replies “ya there’s a reason no one is doing this” is actually so good & I wish Mr. Weekend & that Sam guy had someone around to shoot them down like that.
They did have someone like that but they got rid of her. The original director.
@@swebb1 tru tru… moment of silence for what could have been 😔
@@romelia.we need the Siemetz cut with the original story!
Extraordinary Attorney Woo is a Korean drama about an autistic woman who becomes a lawyer. It’s touching, funny, emotional and extremely well-written and acted. I had tears in my eyes more than once, but they were cathartic. This is the kind of show that gives you faith in the goodness of humanity and I think would work well to bleach your poor poor eyes
I literally came to the comment section to recommend this show! It was such a drama and touched the basis on so many relevant topics.
+++
I love that show!
I second this!!! and it's also super super accurate too, even tho the main actress isn't actually autistic and just did a ton of research to make sure she presented it correctly. Super super wholesome series
I love this show so much!! It had me crying 😭💜
hearing about joceylns abuse with her mother kind of gave me Jennette McCurdy vibes on how she used to describe her pain and the experiences her mother forced her through in her book, i wouldnt be shocked if the weekend saw that and went "okay but what if i made it worse and misconstrued that story and put it in the show"
It's just terrible like, here we have a problematic man use her trauma and experience for his shit show. Like dude 💀
Can puke from the though that they saw the popularity of the book and thought they can shove some CA in this garbage fire. Like does this sort of manipulation happen in RL? Sure. Should they have wrote it and shot it this way? Hell no. The framing is so messed up
Jocelyn is definitely supposed to be loosely based off of Brittney Spears.
I really would like to hear Jennette's opinion on this. To me it seemed very disrespectful and borderline glorifying abuse.
This could be story about Jocelyn and her struggles with abusive mom, mental health and music career, but Weekend was like nah, how do I insert myself and my fantasies here 🤦🏻♀️
No TV show does "dysfunctional but compelling female lead" better than Fleabag. Shows you how it's done properly, and with A++ humour.
🤝
fleabag is fucking amazing! I watched it 2 times and this comment is making me wanna rewatch it lol
👏👏👏 even the overtly sexual parts are to the T honest and accurate. God damn... Fleabag is such a good show
I couldn't get into it.
ok
The disgusting comment about Epstein’s Island was the most offensive and vile thing I’ve ever heard. What a mockery and slap in the face to all those child victims, and victims of SA everywhere.
Far worse slap in the face of the victims from Epsteins island is the fact that it's all covered up from the beginning, a joke from a show really isn't that bad and it's giving very much performative activism
@@JoCalderone1??? SA survivors can say “that was a horrible thing to say,” you know, they’re not saying “that was worse than Epstein himself”???
Truly the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard. I couldn’t even believe what I heard. Disgusting
@@JoCalderone1 You can be appalled by a disgusting joke at the expense of victims of real life abuse without undermining the horrors of that abuse itself, as well as the way it’s been handled. It’s not performative activism to feel that that joke was wrong and uncalled for considering the way it pokes fun at and makes light of the reality that you’ve pointed out yourself. Plus, a comment on a UA-cam video would hardly be considered activism to begin with.
@@JoCalderone1Y’know the weekend isn’t going let you suck his d right? Also love how defending this show..
Because show mocking actual victims soo fun for whole family! Dear god you cannot be this dense
The fact that HBO said “nah, we don’t need that 6th episode” 😂😂
Nobody do baby.... like shut up and produce another season of Looking like wtf..
wait fr? I watched till ep 4, it’s actually a dumpster fire level rn. How are they going to salvage it in one episode????
wait did they scrap an extra one or something? i’m not caught up
@@liv_hann the season was originally having 6 episodes, but they decided to merge the 5th and 6th, cutting out some scenes
@@daranetwork4127is this new? If so when? I’m not on Twitter or anything lol
As an child abuse victim this is the most triggering thing I’ve seen in a while, wtf if wrong with them why would they make this 💀
I am genuinely sorry you had to go through that. I had a very similar situation and can relate to how you may feel but I do have to disagree. This show does a really good job at highlighting certain types of abuse victims.
Especially, Jocelyn's dialogue at the end of episode 3 is definitely accurate for some abuse victims. It reminded me of how even though my father hit and insulted things about me I cannot change, I still held on to some stupid reasons that he still loved me because he "made up" to me by buying me nice things to wear or eat.
My mum got the brunt of the abuse. Because of that she was in a very vulnerable state for nearly two decades. She placed her trust in literally every person who wouldn't hurt her or call her demeaning names to her character.
Like Jocelyn, she was manipulated by many men acting out of bad faith into giving out personal details of her abuse so that they could gain something from her. My mum's inheritance and a good chunk of her valuables were taken away forever because of that.
I really have to disagree with D'Angelo on the realism part because this type of shit is realistic and is happening in many places, especially, misogynistic countries where marital abuse is running rampant.The "thank you" part is definitely an accurate thing that happens in places like India where the wife is expected to be grateful that her husband doesn't leave her.
Seriously. I def don’t want my partner to hit me and scream. It doesn’t motivate me at all. Trauma coping is weird tho but I don’t think this show is doing it correctly
@@JoeMama-ob2ydTHANK YOU. as a fellow survivor, i agree. and i would NOT watch this show keeping in mind my own triggers, because it IS realistic. its almost textbook, like my own experience word for word (fame/music industry aside). whats missing from this commentary and so many of the audience is that education or experience with abuse. i wish more people knew about survivor-centered culture, where survivors and their experiences take center stage when its comes to discussions / representations of abuse. thats whats missing here in this video and these comments.
I think that was their point, or they just are super oblivious ..
@@JoeMama-ob2yd just because it did " a really good job at highlighting certain types of abuse victims ", it does NOT mean it's right for them to include such a thing. let alone have a supposed POS of a character act on it and have the victim thanking them for a recreation of their abuse and trauma.
its sickening and it should not be ' romanticized ' as it's basically currently being.
If this show doesn’t end with her getting rid of all these people and moving on with her life in a positive nature then I truly have no idea what they were thinking making this show
I have some bad news
@@simsloverchick9270came here to comment the exact same thing.
It’s a show about the pop Star industry…why would you think there’s a happy ending to be had? Brittney Spears says what? Did you happen to notice what happened to her? They clearly draw the parallels in the first episode.
the show’s so meaningless, it sure had potential to be something more but nope
Well LMAO
The ending had me SEETHING. As an abuse victim, I will never forgive anyone involved with this project. Not Lily, not the writers, and ESPECIALLY not The Weekend.
You'd think that after the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard case and her proximity to them, she'd make a better choice than to join a project with such a DEMENTED take on abuse.
Don't read my name!...
@@nzarzeckiIn her defense, the original writer was fired for actually giving a female perspective. When she signed on, chances are it was a little more progressive.
it genuinely made me nauseous :/
@@Handles_be_dumb I mean, you're not wrong, but she could have backed out. It's not like she doesn't have clout behind her. Even with a contract, I feel like she had the power to walk away.
there's a way to write problematic characters without it feeling like the show itself is terrible but that would require the creators to have self-awareness
this outfit today is EVERYTHING ugh between the butterfly clips, the hair, the pocket bear, the pins, the earrings, it's just *chef's kiss*
IKR
YES
RIGHT
He really woke up and said I feel like slaying
Fr❤
The part where Jocelyn was crying out for her mom was actually good, it made me REALLY emotional when I watched it which is a god damn shame considering the fact that the rest of the show. Is the rest of the show.
I believe deep down in my soul that that scene was from the Idol before Sam Levinson was involved
@@tatewaller414 absolutely
The fact that Lily Rose Depp has to stay away from The Weekend every time he goes into his “Tedro mode” on set really says a lot about him💀
Dummies use “method acting” to justify stupid cringe behavior. Like, the weekday isn’t even an actor to be using such techniques.
"Method acting" is just an excuse to be shitty
Bro, that’s so cringe, he’s just taking this way too seriously. but also not serious enough to get an acting coach?
Where did you see this! Can u include a link that is horrendous
it’s giving jared leto terrorizing his costars on the set of “suicide squad” 🫣🫣🫣
her crying out for her mom was so devastatingly real and heartbreaking. and the plot point of Dyanne replacing her!! like probably the only things remotely within the realm of actually interesting and worth pursuing. but no. we gotta sit through garbage instead
I'm almost certain that entire scene is probably the sole survivor from the Nepo Baby overhaul, because they probably didn't have time to reshot it.
Also, the show was supposed to be 6 episodes but the 5th episode will be the last which really puts into perspective how much of a mess this whole production was.
the weeknd is so mad audiences want to see an interesting story rather than his creepy power tripping fantasies
Especially since he wanted to talk about the rotten music industry. Diane could've been a poster child for the ambitious but overseen background dancer who doesn't have famous parents in the industry, therefore who has to resort to every means to make a name for herself, whether by creating scandal/drama or by backstabbing Jocelyn not because she's brainwashed, but because it's a cutthroat industry. It's kill or be killed. Kinda like Andrew from the movie Whiplash: ready to sell his soul to make it to the big stage.
Tedros reaction to being called gay is probably the best acting we will get out of the weekend. He was actually able to make me a little scared about what he would do next.
probably bc that’s how he would actually react in real life if someone said that to him
@@saturnia_ definitely
That was the only time when his character felt genuinely intimidating. Every other time he just seemed so goofy while trying act tough I couldn't take him seriously.
@@Misa.misatodude probably could get beat up easily! The weekend isn’t tough guy just wannabe tough guy.
Also when he threatened the clothing assistant.
"show some backbone. You already showed anything else in this show" had me in tears 😂👍
Yeah.. slut shaming.. hilarious!!
@@Neon-lt5jl i don't think it came across that way
@@angelic.process Didn't ask
@@Neon-lt5jlWe didnt ask for your opinion and yet you're here taking up space anyway. Cope.
@@FOHaab You mad hun? You sound mad. 😬
"this is the kind of found family where you might just want to lose them again" had me DYING 😭
who among us hasn't been a star for the guy tedros ripped off sordet :D
thank you for watching this show for us! i recommend Summer Camp Island for some good eye bleach (: made by an artist who worked on Adventure Time, it's a very calm and wholesome show with some great lore than sneaks up on you.
OMG !!HI ily so muchhh You’re videos are Soo entertaining and funn to watch ILY !!!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤
thank you for the recommendation, i definitely needed it
Me: watches dead end park and adventure time on loop
Also me: lemme add in a lil sumn sumn
hbo is insane for cancelling that but going through with the idol. summer camp island is my comfort show
illy coming in with her sunshine through the storm energy ✨🙏🏽
“We went from a really touching scene, to another touching scene”-that had me dying 😂
Don't read my name!...
same 🤣
what is his problem 😭😭
D'Angelo accidentally being a poetic genius is more entertaining than Abel's shitty acting
Bojack Horseman. Probably the most realistic depiction of mental health in a television show.
was literally just ab to comment this
bojack is one of my favorites
Bojack is one of my favorite "sad" shows and its oddly a comfort to watch when I'm struggling
The “Don’t Stop Dancing” song alone is much a deeper look into the exploitative nature within the entertainment industry than the entirety of The Idol, and it involves dancing popsicles and a cartoon horseman promoting laxatives.
I feel physically ill from the hairbrush thing. Like my stomach permanently rolled around. That scene made it from "just another bad show made by famous people" to "absolutely disgusting garbage"
At the part she called out for her mum, I actually saw so much potential in this storyline.😢😢😢 and this show really has a problem of its side characters being so much more interesting than the main character
Yes omg, calling her mom had me think "hm, maybe it won't be as bad" and here we are with the next episodes 🫣
Honestly same, and that scene made me especially sad seeing that LRD actually might have some real acting potential if she’s given material that’s actually in any way good 😢
I can’t see this show helping her career in any way, from the terrible dialogue to the abhorrent plot and character development, it feels like it will just stop her from ever being taken seriously as an individual and paint her as just another nepo baby seeking the limelight, and as someone who will take any role that brings attention to her name, even if it’s controversial for controversy’s sake. If the original script was really more female centred and empowering as we’ve heard it was, it feels like she may have actually intended to create a meaningful project as her big acting debut, and yet this is the reality we’ve ended up with.
it could've been good if it explored her grief and trauma. Tedros was unnecessary
@@rachaelfitzpatrick8574this is not her acting debut she’s done a few indie films and some French movies as well as The King on Netflix with Timothee chalamet
I have a feeling the original showrunner’s vision would have been so good.
I think what's really disappointing is that there are moments where you can see that this genuinely was going to be a really good show. If Jocelyn had remained the focus like originally intended I think we would all be having a very different conversation.
Don't read my name!...
exactly :(
But noooooo you just have to had Teddy here
Jocelyn’s life and career were more than enough to carry The Idol. You can see potential in different elements they’ve shown, from Jocelyn’s complex relationship with her mother, the weight of having to make a career-saving comeback, and even the phenomenon of current stars being “replaced” by the next big thing (Dyanne). The show was doomed by The Weeknd’s unnecessary presence and influence on the storyline.
As someone who was abused as a child and therefore motivated solely by fear, I cannot fathom putting that scene out into the world. Thank goodness I have a partner who encourages me to get mental health care to learn other forms of motivation, as opposed to just recreating trauma. Gross.
The thing about being "therefore solely motivated by fear" struck a chord with me, I'll be thinking about that for a bit.
"more red flags than a Canadian gift shop" Is both one of the best lines I have ever heard and really shows how bad the situation is. Canadian gift stores are basically just flags.
No,,, it's also Roots merch
I feel like they not only romanticize abuse but they invalidate the feelings that people might have toward abusive parents.
They give such a shallow glance at how a kid who was abused might still care about their abuser. They really had such a chance at actually diving into the tangle of emotion and trauma that comes with the passing of an abusive parent. But instead they decide to focus on making it about the rattail cult being yesmen to a toxic relationship
It seems more about how a predator would be so into a vulnerable victim and not about that victim’s experience
@@baintreachasstill trash show and still terribly written try again.
@@RAC00NFANGIRL that… was me criticizing it??
@@baintreachas The fact they are trying to embrace that by saying Tedros is supposed to make you uncomfortable is telling honestly
I think Bojack horseman is a perfect counter to this show, because it 1) actually understands satire and how to construct it 2) is well written/well acted 3) is provocative in an intellectual way without becoming into what it provokes and 4) it actually DECONSTRUCTS not only Hollywood/celebrity culture/addiction/abuse/etc but also how Hollywood exploits these things into making content and how consuming said content actually affects the way we process life (example: how watching movies where the big gestures mean everything makes us think irl big gestures are enough).
Too bad nobody seems to care about adult cartoons (ahem, Emmys)
Literally my thoughts
BoJack Horseman is massively underrated. Brilliant show.
i also like how apart from todd, none of the mcs are inherently good. some obviously worse than others, but theyre so nicely flawed
@@sophiehelena6737but he never cleans up his shit lol
As a Canadian, the phrase "more red flags than the Canadian gift shop" might be my new favourite line in any of your videos (which is hard to choose in general because of the quality of all your videos).
Not only has his performances in this show confirmed it, but the way Abel has been handling the crticism in interviews and on Twitter shows that he's simply not made to be a high-profile actor
What did he said? I don't have twitter :o
@@autoestimasm3408
He’s been responding to almost everyone who’s been talking about him. From what I heard he’s responding to send his fans to attack them.
I miss when Abel Tesfaye didnt speak to news outlets much, because couldn’t have ever known this is what he’d be saying. Like bro self reported himself BIG TIME
It’s so embarrassing. I’m a huge fan of him but even I can’t deny how immature and unprofessional he’s being lmao.
@@cupidream9702agreed
The funniest thing is Tetris acting like the most intimidating person in the room when every other actor looks like they can snap him in half instantly
I know the show is bad entirely but something tells me that his character IS supposed to be perceived like that. Like, that was the purpose, the leaders of a cult are so appealing and attractive to some people, specifically vulnerable people, since the audience is not like that I think we are easily grossed out by Tedros, but Jocelyn, who is in a weak and vulnerable place is easily convinced by the "I care about you" "Im going to protect you" act. I repeat, not defending the show but I thing there is a lot more to analyze.
@booperdooper2631 man literally doesn't allow his team to say no and he thinks he has a say about boundaries 💀
The main thing on my mind concerning this show is how they fired the female writer because the story was "too focused on the female prespective" when the MC is literally a woman! With most ppl saying the script she wrote was miles better than the final script. Its clear that they had nothing but the worst intentions. And are getting exactly what is deserved with the cancelation. Its a shame that we were robbed of what the show could've been and left with the mess of what it actual is.
um, its the director, there are no female writers to begin with
They really said it was “too focused on the female perspective”?!?!! They are such morons!!! I can’t believe that they don’t get it! I really would have liked to see the original script :/ it’s a shame that there would have been a better show than the garbage we got.
@@wittyblonde6728 the weeknd said that apparently, so explains his aactions
I think this show has the exact same issue as the Netflix show, Cuties. To tackle/address a serious issue like the sexualization of children or the dark side of Hollywood (at this point, I've no clue what The Idol's message is anymore), you have to have good writing and a talented director to guide the narrative. Nothing against actors, but the actors in this show are amazing; we've seen (most of) them act wonderfully before in other properties. But they lack the source material here. And whatever message they were trying to convey originally, is being muddied under bad direction.
Like you said D'Angelo, that scene with Jocelyn struggling to perform and crying for her mom was very powerful (I honestly think that's the only scene they kept from the previous female director)! If that same energy would have been felt throughout the entire show, it'd be a great short series to binge; but that's not what we got. To me, this show feels like it's glorifying more than critiquing the issues. Hoping they can somehow turn this around in the last 3 episodes - but my expectations are low.
Anyway, I don't know if you're an anime fan, but I recommend Spy x Family! It's an adorable show!
I feel like the WGA strike has something to do with this. Not an excuse cause Sam sucks from a source material point, but lord they didn't have *nobody* to save this.......then again, that person was a woman so 🤷🏿♀️ 😅
Oshi No Ko did a better job in tackling the issues of the entertainment industry than this show.
As a victim of childhood abuse, I would first of all walk tf out before divulging all of my childhood trauma to this random man and his friends, you couldn't pay me to bring that up as dinner conversation. Second of all, the "why didn't you fight back" is so triggering. Because I DID fight back for a couple of years, and you know what happened? The abuse got worse. She hit me harder. Would say cruel, below-the-belt things that she knew would tear me apart and leave me questioning myself. One of the worst things you can say to an abuse victim is "why did you let it happen" or "why didn't you do something to stop it." Especially in a childhood abuse dynamic, the adult has all the power, by definition. You don't have options the way adult victims have legal options. Of all the sick and disgusting things on this show (and D'Angelo warned there would be a lot of them), that is the worst one for me by far. And then the "was it worth it" - fuck no, I have severe psychological issues as an adult and literally think of unaliving myself regularly. What a shitshow of a script.
I know it’s kinda corny and unhelpful but I do genuinely hope your doin at least okay now, I am never going to watch this actual show because even this video got some ptsd worked up, I don’t want to give any more words about this horrid show but I want to say you are strong man for even being here and sharing, it’s rough and even through a UA-cam comment sharing is tough but helpful for others in similar pain, you seem like a cool person and everything that happened to you genuinely sucks, it was not deserved, and that sounds like a terrible person at least awful parent
I'm so sorry that you've been through so much. I hope you have moments to take care of yourself and heal. Take care.
Yeah, abusers will severely punish ever little baby-step towards fighting back or resisting by just upping the intensity of the abuse. Sorry you hat to go through that.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I wish you nothing but healing, love, and good vibes
sending u love
If you really want a piece of media that describes the horror of idol culture, I highly recommend Perfect Blue. The surrealism and the horror perfectly mesh well while explicitly showcasing the main-character’s issues and distress. It’s better than whatever this mess is.
Yeah this one is genuinely terrifying and actually has smth to say
Watching Perfect Blue was what made me change my dream of being a part of the entertainment industry and find a new love/dream for other artistic careers lol. But seriously yeah I think just about everything that’s been said about how great and horrific this movie is has already been said but it’s just so well done.
Perfect blue is such an amazing movie!
I still have to watch thatttt. I'm embarrassed because I learned about it from reverse searching anime gifs LOL. But it's just very gorgeously animated. And then the storyline feels like right up my alley (I've already watched analyses of it.. I didn't mind spoilers cause I know it will still be good)
exactly!! i love that movie, what a masterpiece
10:30 was kinda heartbreaking. It really shows that if there was an actually good, functional script, Lily Rose would have killed it. I really want to see the original script that was written, because there is NO WAY Sam and Abel wrote that in. Thats a genuinely crushing scene if it was part of a good series
It actually physically hurt me that such a good scene is trapped in such a bad show (that and the scene where the older man snaps his fingers for a gun thinking Jocelyn was in danger, such a good part)
kinda fully disagree with this. i’m pretty sure levinson wrote it, as much as he sucks he can be a very good character writer when he wants to be. also, i was just very unimpressed with lily rose-depp throughout the whole series including this scene. obviously she’s not as bad as the weeknd but she just completely fails to make me suspend my disbelief, the whole time i feel like i’m watching an actress and not a separate human being.
@loverboyclement6767 fair enough, being completely honest, I've never watched Euphoria or any other popular Levinson shows, so I probably don't have the most reliable take on what he has written and what he hasn't, its just such a stark difference to the rest of the scenes, it feels like it's from a different show.
I can see your point about Lily Rose, however, with such a cringe awkward oversexualised script, it must be very difficult to express a realistic version, whereas in her scene where she was desperate, vulnerable, needing her mother, I feel like she really connected with the character and therefore she was spectacular in pulling it off(especially in comparison with other scenes).
I didn’t watch Euphoria because I heard that the characters are in high school and there would be a lot of explicit scenes in the show. I didn’t feel comfortable watching minors doing it. But I’ve heard more people criticise the bedroom scenes for this show than Euphoria, which is pretty weird to me. I didn’t and will not watch The Idol either but I do enjoy watching videos criticising the show. 😂
I wasn't even surprised by the direction this show took Knowing Sam Levinson was involved.
Idk why but when euphoria came out it was THE show, I feel like now the idol is out, it bought more awareness to Sam levinson and the problems with euphoria, and now people are more critical of both
That is the whole reason why I didn't want to watch Euphoria too I found it creepy
D'Angelo sacrificed another handful of his brain cells for our entertainment. May they rest in peace :'(
(PS: the butterfly clips are hella cute looking)
My recommendation for eye bleach after all this: Good Omens
Its such a fun, light-hearted and cutesy show with a very healthy main relationship, a great plot and good pacing/structure.
Aren’t they? I’m focusing on them to keep from frothing at the mouth about how awful this is.
@@mst3kharrisbutterfly clips are keeping our collective sanity in check 😂
I second this!! Though if you dont like cliffhangers maybe wait until july 28th for season 2 :)
I second the recommendation of Good Omens, the series or the excellent book(of which there are several wonderful audio editions & even a free BBC radio drama on UA-cam out there (warning for a few “consider the attitudes of the times” problematic moments, though).
Motion passed. Meeting adjourned. ❤
It’s just like how Jocelyn suffered for her audience in the show, how poetic
you can tell they blew the budget reshooting and casting all these celebrities. paired with the switch of director, i honestly have no clue why they thought this was a good idea to follow through on at all 😭
And the fact that it was a female director, like, an ounce of self awareness is free. Put another woman in the chair so you can respectfully tell a story about a woman, easy maths innit
@@nailinthefashion LITERALLY! it’s so ridiculous lord.
I don't understand why in the whole world lily said yes to this??? She's literally Depp's daughter and she chose this for her launch? ☠
Honestly this show isn’t as bad, I’ve been enjoying it🍃
@@Make_AWishbecause when you throw in 75 million dollars, it’s way too late to nope outta there. Might as well turn it into cringy click bait so people can talk smack about it
i almost guarantee the 'mom?' scene was leftover from the original script (you know, the one with "too much female perspective")- which is so frustrating bc it proves what it could have been before they brought the creepy euphoria guy into it. my evidence for this is all the rewritten parts have to be the unnecessary sex scenes + practically everything to do with tedros bc of how jarring they are in comparison to the solo jocelyn stuff, which is what we know the weeknd and sam were most involved in
the clip of jocelyn calling out for her mom actually broke my heart... oh what this show could have been
Her crying for her mom was actually heartbreaking
Probably the only or one of the only good scene in that whole show
The scene has so much potential, but the actress didn't deliver, just cringe.
@@aubreysongi think she did fine
fun fact: The Idol is not actually named after idols, but rather, is a portmanteau of the phrase "i don't like this", which is what you'll be saying when you watch the show
😂😂😂
best comment 😂
When Joss got the hairbrush, and tedros was standing by the fireplace, for one brief hopeful second, I thought he was going to tell her to throw it in the fire, as a symbolic cleansing… but nope, he just beat the shit out of her with it while everyone sat and watched. And then the electrocution scene in episode 4 confirmed without a doubt, this show is pure torture porn. Like… who was this shit made for??!
Agree 100%
I literally cannot understand why they made this show & who it was for, either.
Ugh, Te*ros is just 🤢🤮
It was made for Sam and the weekend
Don't read my name!...
There are people literally defending it in this comment section, maybe it was made for those irritating and stup1s weirdos
shining example of what porn does to your brain lmao. these men are so depraved they'll act out these disgusting torture/sex scenes and hide behind the "it's supposed to make you uncomfortable!" excuse. they're so fucking fake and gross. i hope they both and anyone who genuinely enjoyed those scenes get prostate cancer straight up.
After punishing myself and actually watching the series I'm now convinced that after the first director left the project they went and changed the plot of the story entirely, there are too many scenes and plot points that seem to indicate that the story focus laid somewhere else to where the series seems to be at.
That scene of Jocelyn at the music video shoot makes me so sad for what this show could have been because I bet that that is taken nearly unchanged from Amy Seimetz's script. It fits really well into the sort of show that she, and the rest of the original writers, cast, and crew were trying to tell - a story about the exploitation and dehumanisation of stars and the dark side of fame.
Lily is a good actress, this show could have been great.
It felt like a real Black Swan moment
Absolutely agreed. I am so disappointed because this show genuinely could have been great. The Weekend's character and that whole plotline is just unnecessary and self gratifying. I keep wishing the plot focused on exactly what you described--the exploitation and dehumanization of stars.
I saw a comment that actually DID say this scene is from the original writing of the show. I don't know how much you could trust a youtube comment, but to be honest, it sounds so logical to me. I do not believe sam and abel - the most unapologetically misogynistic writers in a long moment - managed to write something human about a female character. they really don't make me believe they have the capacity to see a purpose to female characters besides their sexuality and "corrupted innocence"
correction: the cuts on jocelyn's legs were from her encounter with tedros, not the dancers. the spotlight showing her bloody legs turned what would've been a really raw, sympathetic emotional moment into yet another exploitative trauma porn shot. it could've just been her feet bloody from dancing her ass off, but sam & abel had to go and make her pain Sexier 🙃
the way they sexualized her pain and trauma genuinely anger me
Are you fucking kidding me???
This just ruined what could've been one of the best scenes in the show ffs 😡.
@@fionagallagherapologist5968I hope this show doesn’t get another who I am kidding probably going get another season..
@@RAC00NFANGIRLdont worry hbo cancelled the season 2
im pretty sure it was glass not him
Can never go wrong with a Ghibli marathon. I don't think I need to elaborate but beautiful art, thoughtful messages and stories, delightful scenes...A gentle cleanse for the soul, man.
yesss
yup. studio ghibli is actually respectful to women
this is so real
And a new one is coming out next month (in japan). Miyazaki's final film.
Indeeeed!!!!
How did I know, the moment Jocelyn started getting interrogated about her mother abusing her with a hairbrush, it was going to end with Tedros wanting to reimplement the use of the hairbrush...in the bedroom. Like, not only is it torture porn, but it's predictable too.
The fact that the Weekend prefers this plot than what the original writer planned
@@bubidubi3149maybe they got confused with the director, the woman that got switched for euphoria dude
to be fair he probably _has_ to say that under contract
The weekend was the original writer before it was changed don't misinform
@@walkingonneedlesnder contract? He is the producer
Knowing that Tedros is supposed to be a sort of Keith Raniere dupe honestly makes the show that much more upsetting: they take all of the shock and raunch of a story like what happened with NXIVM and DOS without properly or considerately portraying the manipulation tactics that preceed this level of degradation. People don't give up their autonomy at the drop of a hat, they don't get swept up in a torture cult overnight.
This show is just an ugly amalgamation of the most shocking aspects of stories around NXIVM, Jeanette McCurdy, and Britney Spears without meaningfully saying anything about abuse- if the show has a point it's been lost in the showrunners' need to push shock entertainment over a worthwhile story.
Maybe someone could have actually made an interesting villain out of Tedros and a compelling protagonist out of Jocelyn if this whole project hadn't turned into an ego stroke for Abel and Sam Levinson.
Well said. Tedros is meant to be manipulative and evil, and Jocelyn internalizes the abuse and so reacts the way she does. But all the nuance and reality is lost to the point that no viewer can empathize with Jocelyn or understand how she got into this situation - they just think she's dumb.
I've learned a lot about cults like NXVM and jonestown and people might enter them because the leader is charismatic, but they stay because the cult usually has some kind of blackmail on them or threatens them if they try to leave. This show is not realistic at all of how cults work.
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My only information from The Idol is what I see in these youtube videos, without this comment I would have never thought Keith Raniere is the inspiration behind Tedros…. I thought he was just an uninformed idea of a cult leader but this makes it feel even more upsetting. Now it feels like even more of a mockery to ex-cult members and victims of ab*se…
The show seems to be moving so fast with their relationship but the plot seems to be moving slow as fuck. The end of this show should've ended with Joss *finally* joining the cult. At least in that case, they have more room to explore their predatory relationship before the finale. Tedros even barely made any connection at all to gain her trust here.
Edit: wording
I haven’t personally watched this show, but from the videos I’ve watched I get the sense that Jocelyn’s trauma is rather fetishised by the show itself, rather than its plot setting awareness on the mental exploitation of the character. It’s a shame really because the whole storyline had a lot of potential, and Lily’s acting can actually be really good.I hope it gets better...
I'm just happy to know the likelihood of Robert Plant and his family seeing this episode is rarer than a shark attack. The writers are evil for mocking a real man's loss just for tv content that isn't even profound or deep.
I think the big failure of the writing in this show is that no one falls into toxic situations knowingly. Tedros fails as a controlling abuser bc abusers are really charming when you first meet them. He's not supposed to be creepy from the jump 🙄
idk. i get what ur saying but from what we learn later about jocelyn past abuse at the hands of her mom it kind of makes sense that subconsciously she would be attracted to that for stability
@@reeverecor5096 the subconscious part here fails a little bit bc she’s perfectly consciously aware that he’s creepy and rapey and controlling
@bronzeecho hm, i hear ya. sometimes you can be aware of patterns and still hope it’s real love this time, that you can really change the person from what you “learned” in the first abusive relationship. Or because one was familial, you may not exactly recognize what it looks like in romantic relationships, especially when they cross professional lines. It gets messy and confusing fast. PTSD isn’t as simple as knowing and stopping repeated traumas, unfortunately.
@@reeverecor5096in the context of a tv show you have to be portraying your character in a way that elicits the desired response from your audience. It doesn’t really matter if we can justify Jocelyn’s attraction to him, we the audience have to be able to see him as both attractive and creepy for the show to work, and between the terrible writing and Abel’s acting (huge fan of his music btw), we just see him as repulsive, so the plot doesn’t make sense.
ur definitely wrong and shouldn’t speak from that perspective if you havent actually experienced intimate partner abuse yourself.
For anyone who wants a story that goes into the depths of show business exploitation, a complicated mother-daughter relationship and the struggles of coming to terms with that abusive parental figure passing away, read Jennette McCurdy's (yes, the actress from iCarly) biography "I'm glad my mom died". It's heartbreaking, funny, raw and smart. It's a story that *actually* needs to be told.
hell yeah!! just finished reading it recently and it's absolutely amazing! highly recommend
Miley's episode on black mirror (ashley o?) about pop idol who exploited by everyone around her is actually good ep but idk why they received a lot of hate?? Is it because *spoiler alert*
The story focus on her struggle, and her teenager fan that actually saved her live and they got happy ending??? 😌🙄
Thanks. I put this in my to-read list.
It is sooo good. So well written. Soul crushing yet charming.
@@kuroroedamame in my opinion, it's because the episode just kinda got disappointing after the first act. in the beginning, it seemed to be a promising episode about a teenager obsessing over a popstar, parasocial relationships, if these one-sided fictional relationships can be good or are inherently toxic, how the idealized versions of people we have in our heads are often very different from that person's real self, and if we should rather choose the truth or continue to live in that fiction
but after that, the episode just kinda forgets all about the teenager's arc and the themes it was setting up, to instead shift gears and turn into a completely different, far more generic and a lot less interesting story that's kind of like a disney channel movie with slapstick and cartoonish villains. it would've been fine on it's own, but I think the problem a lot of people had, was that it set up a lot of interesting stuff and then just slapped us in the face for expecting it to follow through with those original themes.
Honestly the part where she calls out for her mom hurts so bad. A mother figure in my life died years ago but I still find myself wanting to call her until I quickly remember she's gone. The other day I saw a unicorn necklace and thought about how she would have love that for her birthday 💔
I’m sorry for your loss. I’m sure your mother would be glad to know you’re still thinking of her.
i'm so sorry for your loss, i get the wanting to talk to someone who's gone so hard, i keep wanting to send stupid shit to my favorite person who's passed every day:(
I understand I lost my stepmom in January and I want to call her all the time. I’m sorry for your loss.
If you haven't watched 'Arcane', it is all the things this show isn't 😂 The characters are likeable, deeply flawed and complex. Even the villain is sympathetic. There's a lot of nuance to the plot which is strong throughout the show and it's visually stunning. Don't let the tie to League of Legends scare you, it's a masterpiece
Agreed 100%. Rewatched it recently and god damn it's rare to see female characters with so much depth and originality
God I love Arcane so much, I want a season 2 alr so so so so bad
Arcane is so good
I'm glad to see Arcane get attention like this. I've been a fan of the art direction of League for years, so it's nice to see people seeing that side of the game.
I still can't believe league of legends put out something better than anything Disney has in like 6 years
Im going to take a big leap here and say that all the scenes you find to be good and tolerable were probably the concepts or even final scenes made by the former writters and directors. Im thinking this because apperently every scene jennie is in or has an active role in was shot before Abel and the euphoria director ruined everything. So I just find it facinating that the only scenes you can complement are the ones that were not heavily influenced by the rewrite. Makes you wonder why they scraped it.
Thought the exact same thing. I know they did a lot of reshoots but the jarring difference in writing between the music video shoot scene and everything else around it feels like they decided to keep the original one in. If you think about it that actually seems like the only scene that has "plot". Everything else is just character driven or expository or well a sex scene. It's structured differently writing wise. And it looks like a different directing style as well. I haven't watch Euphoria so I don't know much of that guy's writing but from the rest of the show, truly feels inconsistent.
@@ArturGlass.C exactly! The small spinkles of an emotionally impactful story vs the random terrible dialogue pornos is so jarring. Thats probably why the series just gets worse as it goes on, it's like they no longer have the former material to leech from.
some corrections to your comment. Jennie was never a part of the original cast. The original cast is available to see on deadline. Out of the original cast, the only ones who stayed were lily, Abel, troye and Suzanna... Every one else was let go. Jennie was brought in once sam took over as the sole director and writer. Sam was actually the one who offered Jennie the role after her close friendship with the weeknd. As for "former writer" there actually were none. This show was originally created, pitched to HBO and written by Sam and Abel. They hired Amy Seimetz to direct but let her go after her vision didn't align with theirs. All facts here... no assumptions
@@ArturGlass.C this is factually incorrect. sam goes into extreme detail about the music video shoot during the idol's press conference and how they were able to capture that entire beautifully shot scene. I know we all hate sam (rightfully so) but discrediting his work by saying someone else did it is just ethically wrong lmaoo
Don't read my name!...
When she called for her mom I understood. My mother in law passed and about a week after my husband forgot and called her and asked if I’d heard from her and reminded me of our weekend at her house and to see him wake up completely and have reality crash around him crushed me. It’s hard to lose someone and be struggling with depression and/or anxiety/mental illness. And then to feel like you can’t grieve without a spotlight on you… it’s hard
exactly' i liked that scene i wish this show was more moments like that and the dark satire.
It’s such a shame that such heartfelt scenes are thrown into such a shitty and exploitative show. Those scenes could have really shon in a good show.
Wishing you and your hubby all the best! ❣
The Idol may be horrific but D'Angelo wearing hair clips is the palate cleanser we all needed. Really suits you chap
The butterflies are very delightful honestly
It’s just so pretty
ik i didnt wanna watch this cuz im just so uninterested in this show tbh but i saw the clips and had to click!
28:00 As a victim of abuse myself, I can genuinely say that this sequence of events made me drop my jaw so low that I may as well have torn my temporomandibular joint.
Like, NEVER in my ENTIRE LIFE have I seen a line in media that made me think "this can't get any worse" before being followed with an amalgamation of vowels and consonants strewn together that could only manifest from within the ghastly pits of hell. FOUR TIMES. CONSECUTIVELY.
I have to say--that was genuinely impressive in such a warped way. So impressive that I never want to hear it again. And no, Tedros, I will not be creating art out of this.
Edit: SCRATCH THAT--7 TIMES. BECAUSE I HADN'T EVEN FINISHED THE FULL SEQUENCE.
I think this scene is so deeply aggravating mostly because of how it takes itself seriously and outright refuses to call itself out in any manner. Then, when you pair that with the entire context and the very nature of the entire show and the way it tries to imbue Tedros's fucked up word vomits with a paltry layer of false realism, it just becomes so much more sickening...
Edit 2: 8 times now. Purely because they decided to include this scene IN THE SHOW and ADD A FUCKING WEEKND SONG IN THE BACK.
You can't make this up. I've known the Tedros character for bits and pieces of 3 episodes and he's managed to become one of my least favorite characters in all media--only stymied by Onision's downright ridiculous self-inserts that he wrote into the putrid books I sat through in a few relatively comedic book review videos.
Sorry to hear about your story of abuse, you deserved way better and i hope you’re well!
Being on the same level as onision is actually the most horrible thing anyone could become
Thank you for this beautifully worded response to this horror
Well you should watch more movies then, you sound no cultivated enough in cinema to think this is the worse u can do 😂
And I’m sorry to hear about your trauma but it’s not a valid point to criticize a movie or a show, no one cares about personal trauma 🤷🏻♀️ the show is not good because it lacks quality not because tedros is abusive
@@tharakir1328What is your problem?
"It's Okay to Not Be Okay" is a Korean drama that I love because not only is it a heartwarming love story, but it's also got great music, amazing female lead, healing from trauma, interesting iconography (butterfly), and the reality of how difficult it is to live with ASD.
I love this drama so much !
I haven't seen it. I will give it a try. I love Korean dramas and horror. They are so much better.
Ooooh, I've been looking for a show that portrays ASD in a realistic or at least heartfelt way
Omg this show has been on my list forever, I should just actually start it now lol
@@ba8501 omg korean horror seems to always be the best horror.
The thing that makes me so genuinely angry about this show is that there was so much potential for it to be spectacular. The cast (barring the weekend) is extremely talented and the dark music industry storyline is so ripe with potential, especially when there are world-famous popstars right there in the cast! If Sam Levinson and The Weekend had kept their hands off of it, I think this would have been great. Oh, and if they had utilized Jennie's talent and perspective more...
as a dark satire just focusing on jocelyn and her team (with maybe tedros as a mild background who's a slimy producer if even that) it'd be much better.
Jennie is not even the most interesting or important part of this show, if the writing could just be better without trying so hard to make it look shocking or edgy by glamorizing mental illness and s3x like that,i think I'd enjoy it more
You know damn well they only brought in jennie due to her kpop fame. They didn't fully utilize her because they never planned to. She's a token, shes only there for marketing.
Boom
People are hating on Abel but he’s a surprisingly good actor.
seeing the emotional scenes with jocelyn makes me wish we'd gotten to see the "female perspective" that was originally intended... i don't necessarily think it would've been that much better, but it could at least have been more interesting to watch and discuss
A show that actually handles grief really well is The Bear! The second season just came out and it’s phenomenal, great acting, music, cinematography, plot, etc. Highly recommend as a segway into exploring grief in TV!
agreed!
Ooooh yeah, I just rewatched the Christmas Dinner episode and it's so funny and tragic at the same time. Honestly my favorite bit is when the Fak brothers walk into the kitchen asking where their gifted skateboards are and if they could spend the night 😝
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Segway Human Transporter's greatest impact on society has been not in changing how people travel, but in changing how people spell "segue"
This show could have explored such interesting things. A pop star falling into a cult like lifestyle after extreme grief has such potential. It’s so disappointing that this is what we got.
fr, especially since in the first episode they said she was a child star. child star to pop idol to cult lifestyle has so much potential
Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is an absolutely amazing show that centers women and explores mental illness and trauma in a way that isn't gross and awful. It's hilarious, creative, stars so many talented people, is a freaking musical, and is pretty lighthearted so it's great eye bleach lol. It's one of my favorite shows and I highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it 💕
I'm glad that someone else has watched that show. It's really solid
I LOVE that show! Speaking of musical tv shows, have you seen Schmigadoon/Schmicago? If you like CXG, you'll probably love that show too (I like season 2 better than season 1).
My favourite thing about CXGF is that it was always meant to be four seasons and that’s what it was. It’s beautiful storytelling. 💗
Omg I love this show its so underrated!!!
yess more love to this show 💕
Oh geez, I remember hearing the "hard times make good art" mantra in grad school. It was ridiculous. Hard times make miserable artists who shut down and miss deadlines or crank out work due to obligation and nothing else. Sometimes someone makes something deep as part of their healing process, but it's not some 1:1 sadness-to-masterpiece ratio. It's up there with "working 24/7 is good, actually" as stupid shit people say about creative industries.
Agreed! I despise the tortured artist trope. Artists can use everything as inspiration and that includes pain, but not exclusively!!! Like yeah if [artist] didn't experience [trauma] they wouldn't have made [trauma-inspired art] but they would have found inspiration from something else and maybe have created something even better. Or they could have created something better if they didn't die tragically young from mental health problems!
true, i often feel bad that i can’t make any meaningful art when i’m feeling down all because of this weird expectation, there’s nothing great about struggling and being unable to fulfill anything or feel satisfaction with the things that you make. even if everyone thinks it’s your best piece
couldn't agree more. the same trauma that inspired me to create certain artistic projects is also the reason why i end up not having enough will to live so i can finish and release them to the world
true. ive seen people break out of the 'i slept less than you' mindset and make their best art yet
The Good Place is a very great TV show about being a good person and fighting a flawed system and it's really clever and fun to watch. Highly recommend
It’s so funny too I love that show
And the ending / near ending is just .... Truly phenomenal. I have goosebumps just thinking back to that really heart wrenching but beautiful line about the ocean and them sitting and watching sunset and the morning after ... :( (don't wish to spoil it bc it's so so so worth watching).
extremely great show