Destiny debates Kelly Jean on language ft Lycan and WickedSupreme Last night on Destiny Destiny channel ► / destiny Bestiny channel ► / bestiny #Destiny
Kelly triggering Destiny was funny at first, but after a bit I started getting triggered by how stupid she was as well. I legitimately couldn't tell if she was drunk.
I thought the "water" or "aqua" debate and transwomen was something I thought Destiny had already left behind with the philosphy Phd. I mean the guy who had the debate with Vaush. And Destiny seemed to accept the philosophers position that the essence to what people refer to is the same.
Not sure why Kelly Jean is taken seriously given her approach. Feels like talking with an emo teenager, who just throws some question in the air and then acts like he/she doesn't care about anything in the world at all.
Great description. I was so confused that someone would feel it's appropriate for "I don't care about that" to be a good response to a question. And then just confidently continue to act like they've won the conversation when they've never not been nuanced in their life.
I dont know why some people find it so hard to say that "Oh I'm wrong"... you don't even have to go that far just say "Oh I misunderstood and understand what you mean now".
The Britbong is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Britbong and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”
She's got to be doing that "quirky dumb trolly girl" game on purpose. I refuse to believe she is being genuine and actually exists in the same world as me. I'm fine being blissfully ignorant that people like that exist. I'm just going to believe she would never act like this in real life.
@@howir0n1c2 I think she just doesn't want to commit to anything because then you can look chill and all care free. Not a dummy that commited into a bad argument or anything really. Too cool and European. Know who else was European? Just saying she's kinda proud of it. Maybe she becomes NF pixie dream girl?
It's just the stupid "I'm going to grill you for something you said or are doing wrong, but nothing I say is serious and I cannot be held accountable tee hee" routine you see from time to time. What I wonder is; is she actually a streamer that people watch? I cannot imagine getting anything out of listening to her other than a brain aneurism.
Worthwhile conversation though. Many people on the Destiny subreddit are stuck in the same mindset. Zoomed out farther, many people from every camp are just confused about language and labels.
@@Cumdown You're never really trying to move the individual you're debating with (Online in a streamed "debate"). You're trying to have someone come in who feels like she did think and go "oh, this other point opened my eyes to a new idea".
@@Cumdown Sorry, I phrased that vaguely. When I say "someone come in" im referring to a viewer and what they may be thinking at their house. My overall point is: yes, this woman does not have a very logical viewpoint on this, but there are many people who have the same viewpoint. It doesn't matter if she doesn't change HER mind at the end, you're hoping those who may have agreed with her going in at least gave it some more thought.
@@Cumdown Its far better to have the tools to evaluate and challenge your positions vs just happening to adopt a position that people agree with. Its always good to hear people who are open to challenge their own opinions 👍
Nothing that has come out of Nick Fuente's mouth in all his career has driven people further right and towards misogynist beliefs more than 1 hour with this woman in the call. Day of the Chicken and Waffles soon.
I’m gonna guess you memeing. Cause if hearing one woman makes you a far right Christian nationalist race realist. You were never gonna be anything but that anyway lol.
@@TheSukairah naw dude I'm totally serious a single conversation with a single woman made me a LITERAL nazi with the cool jackets and everything, you've fucking ousted me. Couldn't you tell with the chicken and waffles comment? Or was that a little too high-brow?
21:44 "I'm neurodivergent" is the new "I have BPD" which was the new "I have ADHD" which was itself the new "I have ADD" it's just normies trying to cling to real world issues so they feel special.
True, from the first time I heard the stupid sht from the Twitch lefties, I intuitively knew it was just an extra shield of padding to avoid criticism for treating people they disagree with like terrorists. They get to call people retards, but also get to call people ableists if they get called retarded...
Agreed. It is particularly annoying because it bleeds out into other spaces and people become dismissive of the entire concept. I rarely mention ADHD because it has come with all the baggage that people like this create.
@@poadude That's dumb. Many people with BPD are either good enough at masking their symptoms, or present them differently enough to not be detected. Look up "Quiet BPD"
Kelly's refusal of engaging with the actual argument is actually triggering me. Any time they try to pin her down, she slips out and makes an excuse, god it's irritating
Eternally grateful for the endless flow of overconfident, ignorant people who actually volunteer to jump on screen and prove their total inability to be taken seriously.
@@Hotsauceonmyburrito you don't know what she has to go through everyday. Walking down the street getting catcalled. Having men mansplain to her, and having to be quiet about it, because if she talks back...she might get murdered..
@@Spartan69117 don't let the fact that Destiny is a girl's name distract you from the fact that JLP likes little boys even though Jesse is the male spelling of a girl's name
When someone doesn't engage with the hypothetical it usually means... They view hypotheticals as word traps since their entire argument tends to fall apart when they are introduced. Their IQs are too low to understand the hypothetical which triggers them and actives their ego. They then INSTINCTIVELY interrupt and try to destroy your use of hypotheticals. It's Kryponite to them.
What if someone throws out hypotheticals about rare/unique scenarios while presenting them as reflective of the general rule? I always shut these down and explain why I'm shutting them down, but I think it's perfectly fine not to engage with certain hypotheticals as long as you state why you're doing it. I'll agree that it looks bad if you seem to be trying to talk your way past a hypothetical though.
@@rs4there If someone is using a hypothetical or analogy that doesn't reflect the principle it needs to be pointed out WHY its not reflective of said principle. If it doesn't fit they can provide a counter hypothetical that better reflects their principle. Most people who don't understand hypotheticals and complain when they're proposed aren't retorting with explanations as to why they are disingenuous or poorly framed, they just claim they're pointless as Kelly does or that they don't like engaging with them. If you properly understand basic analytic philosophy and use of tools like analogies, you'll typically be more than happy to engage with one even if rhetorically it might not be in your favour. Its a basic building block of good faith debate or conversation.
The willingness to engage with hypotheticals is divided along party lines, with conservatives being highly adverse to the engagement. One hypothetical used in a study proposed something like the following: If Germany had an area of 1,000 square miles, and had one camel per square mile, how many camels would be in Germany? Liberals tended to answer “1,000” Conservatives tended to get hung up on whether Germany was actually 1,000 square miles or whether there was actually 1 camel per square mile.
Bruh if you want to have a discussion specifically about semantics, you can't be accusing other people of being 'pedantic', because that applies to every point made in a discussion about semantics. Pedantic is a criticism that only works when someone is deflecting from some pragmatic conception that doesn't exist in discussions about semantics.
Also make me forget that I have tolerance of autistic people and don't think we should just put them in a corner with a lollipop and not let them talk.
It triggers me when people repeat the thing about how literally just means figuratively. It doesn’t. “I could literally eat a horse” is a phrase used to be extra hyperbolic. The person using that phrase means “literally” they are just using figurative language. “I could literally eat a horse” and “I could figuratively eat a horse” are not the same thing, because the former doesn’t explicitly betray its hyperbole, and is therefore a stronger expression of the feeling.
Kelly was speaking for less than 3 minutes before I had to click off. People do not think in dictionary definitions, you can argue whether that should or should not be the case, but you cannot argue that it is not what people do. Even the "official" definitions for words get warped by society's use of them over time.
Destiny has the right idea about concepts. This is reflected in language as well. There is a concept of water and there is the form of water, which is determined by it's physical appearance and container. Is a glass of water and water the same? Physically no. But linguistically and conceptually it can be.
I think it's her smarminess that makes this so off putting. It's okay to be wrong, but up be so confidently wrong and then speak in that barred out drawl like you're sooo sure you're right... Jesus fuck this was painful.
I think that listening to this "discussion" is the closest I've ever been to triggered. My body is sort of shivering or vibrating physically and I feel as though I'm having an out of body experience listening to this person speak. I couldn't finish the clip.
The way she talks is annoying - it is as if she wants to sound cute like a cartoon character. It is as irritating as girls who deliberately end their every sentence in vocal fry.
Lol imagine quibbling over a dictionary definition and then accusing someone of being pedantic for taking a literal reading of the text. If there is ever a time to be pedantic, it's when you're reading a dictionary definition. That's the whole point 🤦♂️
I'm just gonna say this right now. No sarcasm from me. No trolling from me. Kelly has unlocked the ultimate convo/debate grift. What's impressive about her is that she's mastered the art of not giving a fuck to actually engage properly whenever it suits her, and she expertly presents herself as someone that makes you question whether she's intentionally obtuse or just plain dumb. I can't even tell which is true, and that in itself is part of her grift. Add the occasional unwarranted, aggressive yelling over people immediately followed up with the cute little girl voice and what we have is perhaps the most quintessential alpha grifter of debate tactics of immaculate proportions. This is because Kelly is an amorphous chameleon, which can be seen as a compliment to her in a way. She's able to be just coherent enough in her points to, let's say, articulate that the term "Nazi" is very rigidly obvious, but when Destiny challenges her by using the vagueness of dictionary definitions she herself sees as valid, she'll pull a British rendition of Lav overreacting to a pretty logical point, fake giggle and everything. No part of me is kidding when I say this: You can have Kelly debate PhD professionals and people like Bertrand Russell, and she'll demolish all of them in a heartbeat. Her phony little act makes her unbeatable because it gives her the benefit of outlasting people, and she comes off as the last man standing when she goes all, "Aww. They left the call cuz they mad." I think she likes the impression that people disengage because it makes it look like they conceded and just can't handle the heat, so she looks like the winner, even though the real reason is because she's not worth taking seriously. Maybe it's because of her self-admitted "neurodivergence" or whatever, but I'll give the girl credit. Her ability to morph from coherent debater to obnoxious, insufferable child allows her to comfortably hang with people way above her station in intellectual discourse, such as Destiny and ChudLogic. She's able to slither her way into discussions about pseudoscience and Nazis, and her attitude allows her to hold her own. And that is absolutely impressive.
I have zero context to this girl - I would never be deep in this fandom - but I, too, think she's brilliant after the last couple of shows she's been on.That girl Destiny is f*cking gives new meaning to cringe, and the white knighting was pathetic.
I dunno who this Kelly person is but as a british person if i heard a girl talking like that it is a huge red flag and I'd be getting the fuck out of there. She is not in this discussion in good faith because her personality is not good faith.
This is the difference between words and ideas, words are the label we use to convey an idea, because language with multiple people needs to be agreed on like in dictionaries. The british person would probably prefer more singular words for each idea (and more definitions), but Destiny seems to prefer to use one word and then try to explain what the idea is with multiple words. I think I like more words, and I use dictionaries to use most words. I guess it's different for people who speak only one language.
I know 5 languages and the last one I learnt was Japanese. It gave me an identity crisis for a hot minute because of how different the philosophy behind forming thoughts is. And by identity crisis I mean, I started reading Cioran and shit... Now after being fairly fluent in Japanese, it still doesn't feel familiar. There is a lot of ambiguity not present in European or Middle Eastern languages so all I can do is say something and hope that the other person gets what I meant. Surprisingly, usually they do. Japanese is a heavily contextual language, so a random sentence screamed into the void might not mean much.
It depends on how used to the "Western modality" you are before acquiring Japanese. If you exist in a very "Western" environment, then Japanese will "not feel familiar" or give you an "identity crisis" - which, as descriptions in themselves sound very affective and unlike a Japanese.
Rem failing to parse what Destiny argues isn't surprising at all. It regularly happens when a person lost in philosophical terms debates philosophy with a person who takes a practical approach to language use. For example, I might say something like "I don't think this behavior has a lot of utility" meaning "I don't think this behavior serves any concrete and specific goal", whereas someone like Rem will immediately jump to the conclusion that you're talking about utility as it's used in Utilitarianism simply because you're having a philosophical conversation generally. Not the best example, but I've experienced this countless times in conversation with people who have formal philosophy education.
What would be the resulting difference? What is the philosophy person hearing instead of „this behaviour doesn’t serve any concrete and specific goal“?
@@synlion Could be they hear the term utility and jump to utilitarianism, then usually their immediate association would be to actions that produce well-being vis a vis actions that produce suffering. It wasn't the best example mind you nor meant to be an example of a specific mix-up. The issue is just that, like with sociology, the field regularly repurposes words and certain people in academia tend to struggle decoupling their "in the literature" mode of thinking. Perhaps a better example would be the distinct usage between terms like patriarchy as used in feminist theory vs anthropology vs colloquial use. In FT, it's often losely used to describe any society where men, ostensibly, hold the majority of official political power. In anthropology it's used to describe societies in which leadership positions are exclusive to males and passed down through male lineage. In colloquial terms people are all over the place.
14:30 love the yu gi oh refrence, also what he's saying is truth. I have a friend who understands his shit so well he can explain his post grad research on semi conductors to me and make it simple in like a 5 minute discussion. So I whole heartedly believe people who grandstand on vague books and studies are memorizing quotes and don't know what they're talking about
the biggest prerequisite for being able to distill complex concepts down simply and efficiently really just comes down to having a holistic understanding of the concepts. the reason we associate this ability with people who really know the material is because it's often the case that if you have achieved mastery in a specific area you will have such a throrough understanding that you're able to be reductive about it, since if anyone calls you out on it you would be able to elaborate. the issue is this: some topics are really difficult to distill in this way; and that becomes much more likely the more specialized any particular person is in any given field. this is the whole reason there's a distinction necessary between people like science communicators and regular ole 'scientists' in a given field. effective communication isn't necessary for mastery, so it's possible to have someone who uses a ton of jargon and speaks what sounds like a different language who still really knows what they're talking about - this is actually part of the reason philosophy gets such a bad rap once you get into more abstract and purely theoretical concepts. communicators are meant to bridge the gap here, where they understand enough of their field to relay and distill down concepts in order to communicate with laymen. i think if we did somehow require it for all specialists to be able to communicate their particular specializations in a way that laymen could understand 100%, then we would by necessity be reducing the amount of specialization that goes on period. i tend to agree that we need to have MORE communicators, and more academics in particular need to cultivate better communication skills, but it's basically impossible to expect us to remain as specialized in the sciences as many academics are while also requiring them to take their time to learn to communicate with the public and then devote time to actually do so
@@deensama7718 first off hi nice to meet you, I see where you're coming from where communication is a difficult skill in its own right and forcing every scientist to focus on communication could take away from their work. I agree with that. The disconnection I'm having is that I don't think we're talking about the same types of people. I believe it is incredibly rare that in the twitchsphere we are seeing the very top echelons of philosophers and scientists discussing the peak of their complex research. A lot of times the things being discussed like in this video are within the realm of explanation to most laymen. I agree with Einsteins quote for the vast majority of these topics that if you can't explain it simply, you do not understand it. I am willing to concede that maybe with some people in their field are excellent at learning, but are terrible at teaching, I've gotten to see first hand in my area of expertise of masters who are making top 1% money who understand concepts beyond my understanding, but who are dogshit at teaching/explaining. I do however think those people may not understand completely what they are doing and are replicating successes that they stumbled upon. Thanks for the thoughtful response and I'm interested to hear your thoughts
@@jcpbd1776 mostly i think it comes down to the specifics of the subjects being discussed and what field they fall under. if we took the idea that the way to demonstrate mastery over difficult concepts is to explain them simply as totally true, then we would effectively also be denying the usefulness of jargon. this could also be a perspective issue however. to explain what i mean, jargon is normally used in the context of communicating complex concepts in shorthand, but that shorthand is typically only accessible to people who have expertise within that field. so from the perspective of a specialist within a field, using academic jargon might actually be the same thing as simply explaining concepts but the intended recipient is a fellow academic rather than the laymen. however, i think most people within these spaces (twitch, youtube, etc.) would agree with the statement that an overreliance on jargon means that the people using that jargon aren't capable of demonstrating their mastery because they aren't able to effectively communicate to laymen. i'm really just trying to meet people where they're at, so i'll take twitch streamers and viewers at their word that reliance on jargon isn't actually simplifying the concepts from their perspective. that's where my argument that not all masters necessarily HAVE to simplify concepts to laymen comes in, and that's exactly why we have folks like science communicators. it's the inherent cost of increasing specialization, which leads to innovations in many fields and arguably is why technology has exponentially expanded in recent years
also just to be clear, i believe places like twitch and youtube should be of particular interest to communicators. rather than placing all pressure on researchers to come on and defend concepts that they almost definitionally are not totally positive is the capital T Truth (which is why they're researchers, and why the scientific method as far as experimentation is concerned starts with the generation of hypotheses, then testing, rather than working backwards from a firmly held conclusion to justify itself) we should be encouraging the creation of more communicators, and then encouraging the communicators who DO exist to inhabit these spaces and speak on the concepts. this isn't to say that researchers themselves have no business being here, simply that they're much more likely to be misinterpreted firstly, and that the more ideal situation would involve a researcher being interviewed by a communicator or maybe even having someone who has the skills of a communicator be part of the research team. in my eyes that would give us the best of both worlds, whereby we would be discussing new findings and reviewing old ones with the researchers themselves, using the communicators as a way to bridge the gap between laymen and more specialized and focused researchers who might not even be aware of the myriad ways people can misinterpret their findings until it's far too late
@@deensama7718 I think you're right on a few things. I acknowledge the usefulness of jargain, how anyone in a job or in any field of research would talk to a coworker would be very differnt then how they would explain it to someone outside of their field. I also understand the process of researches and communicators having differnt tasks to effectively specialize their work. I'm just faced with a dilemma where we may differ in opinion. If I had 2 people in front of me who have achieved the hypothetical exact same level of research. Guy 1 gave me the stereotypical speech of "well its difficult to explain if you haven't gone over the 1948 study from Deen sama or read "Destiny is a girls name" so you wouldn't understand the jargin I'm gonna use. Then we had guy 2, like the person I described in my first comment who could explain it to me over a glass of beer. If afterward you were to ask me who I thought understood their research better there's no world I could imagine picking guy 1 over guy 2. You did agree that the over reliance on jargain is hurtful to communication and I'm glad we could meet in the middle there. I think we agree on more than I thought, but I can't tell where our underlying disagreement lies. Thanks for your thoughtful response, hope you're doing well
If destiny successfully debate Lord's his audience into thinking that Nick Fuentes isn't a Nazi so that they'll accept the fact that he associates with him without a stigma then he will be the absolute BEST debater on the planet.
Yeah I love how red pillers share this principle of "telling it like it is" but God forbid you call an ethnostate supporting nationalist, who has questionable opinions about Jews a Nazi. It's actually an incredible feat by Destiny.
You know when someone has their jaw wired shut for a week after jaw surgery and they have to speak with their teeth together... why does she sound like that permanently?
"I did Labeling Theory in Sociology, okay" - ah, it all makes sense now. Pseudoscience based on Saussure's ultimately solipsistic theory of language, which considers a concept a mental construct inside the mind of a speaker.
My favorite example of this language issue is that "vegetable" as we use it today is a nonsense word. Vegetable just means plant matter in its technical sense (I.e. vegetable, animal or mineral), but then we kind of use it colloquially to refer to the parts of plant matter that are edible. The problem is that we then started adding categories for edible plant matter like fruits and nuts and legumes till what exactly a "vegetable" is has more to do with fitting in with certain recipes or flavor profiles than actually belonging to a classification relating to biology. That's why tomatoes are a fruit, but they're also absolutely a vegetable.
Okay, and? It’s not a “nonsense word” though. It means any plant that fills a savoury role in cuisine. I think that is way more useful than any plant that can be eaten. Whereas fruit has two different definitions. A culinary one and biology one. In the culinary definition tomatoes (and things like eggplant) are vegetables, because we use them to make savour foods. The biology definition is a fruiting body. Honestly, in your day to day life, the culinary definition is going to be way more useful. The fact I can ask you to pass me the vegetables and you’ll know exactly what I am talking about means it’s not nonsense and that theirs rules behind it’s usage. If anything we should be more restrictive and take out anything that is effectively a starch or protein, but still a plant.
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 their point by calling it a "nonsense word" isn't to say that it has no meaning, it's to point out that the meaning has strayed to how it became used instead of what it was created to describe
about the japanese thing, watashi wa unagi desu it can mean either: as for me, it's an eel (what i'll be having). Or, when it comes to me, i am an eel. It's called a subject particle. But i dunno, the example is a little contrived. No one is going to be confused and think you are an eel. Japanese is very contextual, but i feel like it is blown out of proportion as well. This kind of ambiguity happens in english and spanish all the time. The real ambiguity and difficulty honestly comes from social cues you need to pick up on.
@@yojou3695 his main point was that some words or phrases have multiple meanings within different contexts. So the term "nazi" is not worth using when people mean multiple things depending on the person who says it and even the people hearing it can hear different things when the same person says it. So destiny chooses not to use the term and instead care about the positions people hold. Position like Fuentes wanting a country that is as close to an ethnostate as possible and wanting women to all be housewives regardless of what those women want because that would be good for the country according to nick. It's easier to say "you are a nazi and nazis are bad" but more effective in pulling their audience away by saying "you advocate for ideas that do not work and/or cause problems in "specific ways""
Is she serious, like I didn't hear one thought through statement or questions she said, and on top of that, I dont think anything she said brought anything to the table, while standing on the fact that she did socially in school??😂
Kelly almost single handedly bringing back the anti woman arc.
Facts I want to punch my screen so bad 😂😂
The more i watch, the more i wonder if they were onto something in the past. Not saying anything should be done. I just wonder
As a viewer from the future, you have no idea...
@@GeneralSpecific Yeah Lav really making this comment feel silly.
@@GeneralSpecific as a viewer from the future you really have no idea
Kelly triggering Destiny was funny at first, but after a bit I started getting triggered by how stupid she was as well. I legitimately couldn't tell if she was drunk.
I thought the "water" or "aqua" debate and transwomen was something I thought Destiny had already left behind with the philosphy Phd. I mean the guy who had the debate with Vaush. And Destiny seemed to accept the philosophers position that the essence to what people refer to is the same.
I swear to god the women that Destiny brings on stream are better at turning me into an extremist then Nick
Is it selection bias, or is it women?
@@chrisbartolini1508 its THESE women
Kelly single handedly bringing back the anti women arc.
I would say that some/half of them are. I don't think Stardust, or Erudite, or Taftaj are bad at all, for example.
Right?!! 😂
"I'm british" is one of the most annoying phrases I hear from people who have a specific sense of humor that i cant explain - a British woman
I could have sworn she was a prisoner... I mean "Australian"
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor we prefer the term convict thank you
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor You know we are proud of that right?
You spelled humour correctly.
@@felixculpa9390 autocorrect mb
Not sure why Kelly Jean is taken seriously given her approach. Feels like talking with an emo teenager, who just throws some question in the air and then acts like he/she doesn't care about anything in the world at all.
Great description. I was so confused that someone would feel it's appropriate for "I don't care about that" to be a good response to a question. And then just confidently continue to act like they've won the conversation when they've never not been nuanced in their life.
Is she taken seriously? Isn't she an onlyfans cosplayr or some other nonjob?
another person not used to being challenged on their ideas, with her own arguments used against her she reverts to "well idk I'm british."
As soon as she said she worked on labeling theory in sociology, I knew lmao
I dont know why some people find it so hard to say that "Oh I'm wrong"... you don't even have to go that far just say "Oh I misunderstood and understand what you mean now".
The Britbong is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Britbong and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”
Brit people are challenged
She's got to be doing that "quirky dumb trolly girl" game on purpose. I refuse to believe she is being genuine and actually exists in the same world as me. I'm fine being blissfully ignorant that people like that exist. I'm just going to believe she would never act like this in real life.
Afraid to engage with a more powerful 🧠
it's some weird purgatory between it being an act and her actual personality. influencer culture is some wild shit
@@howir0n1c2 I think she just doesn't want to commit to anything because then you can look chill and all care free. Not a dummy that commited into a bad argument or anything really. Too cool and European. Know who else was European? Just saying she's kinda proud of it. Maybe she becomes NF pixie dream girl?
It's just the stupid "I'm going to grill you for something you said or are doing wrong, but nothing I say is serious and I cannot be held accountable tee hee" routine you see from time to time. What I wonder is; is she actually a streamer that people watch? I cannot imagine getting anything out of listening to her other than a brain aneurism.
Just remember most of the world is filled with really dumb people.
She is so insufferable, I can't even sit through the full conversation.
Worthwhile conversation though. Many people on the Destiny subreddit are stuck in the same mindset. Zoomed out farther, many people from every camp are just confused about language and labels.
@@Cumdown You're never really trying to move the individual you're debating with (Online in a streamed "debate"). You're trying to have someone come in who feels like she did think and go "oh, this other point opened my eyes to a new idea".
@@Cumdown Sorry, I phrased that vaguely. When I say "someone come in" im referring to a viewer and what they may be thinking at their house.
My overall point is: yes, this woman does not have a very logical viewpoint on this, but there are many people who have the same viewpoint. It doesn't matter if she doesn't change HER mind at the end, you're hoping those who may have agreed with her going in at least gave it some more thought.
@@Cumdown Its far better to have the tools to evaluate and challenge your positions vs just happening to adopt a position that people agree with. Its always good to hear people who are open to challenge their own opinions 👍
I actually thinks she's hilarious.
Nothing that has come out of Nick Fuente's mouth in all his career has driven people further right and towards misogynist beliefs more than 1 hour with this woman in the call. Day of the Chicken and Waffles soon.
I’m gonna guess you memeing. Cause if hearing one woman makes you a far right Christian nationalist race realist. You were never gonna be anything but that anyway lol.
@@TheSukairah Its a meme and push pull is real.
@@TheSukairah naw dude I'm totally serious a single conversation with a single woman made me a LITERAL nazi with the cool jackets and everything, you've fucking ousted me.
Couldn't you tell with the chicken and waffles comment? Or was that a little too high-brow?
@@colordrop7392 waffles is serious fucking business dude don't joke about that
@@colordrop7392 I literally said my guess was you memeing. Idk wtf you on about.
21:44 "I'm neurodivergent" is the new "I have BPD" which was the new "I have ADHD" which was itself the new "I have ADD" it's just normies trying to cling to real world issues so they feel special.
True, from the first time I heard the stupid sht from the Twitch lefties, I intuitively knew it was just an extra shield of padding to avoid criticism for treating people they disagree with like terrorists. They get to call people retards, but also get to call people ableists if they get called retarded...
Agreed. It is particularly annoying because it bleeds out into other spaces and people become dismissive of the entire concept. I rarely mention ADHD because it has come with all the baggage that people like this create.
@@poadude That's dumb. Many people with BPD are either good enough at masking their symptoms, or present them differently enough to not be detected. Look up "Quiet BPD"
@@poadude bruh what
Kelly's refusal of engaging with the actual argument is actually triggering me. Any time they try to pin her down, she slips out and makes an excuse, god it's irritating
That's just women
Woah cool it with the misogyny
@@toomanycooks4526 hey, we love and respect women around these parts.
@@toomanycooks4526 respect waman
her voice even making it worse :D
This girl joined my nightmare blunt rotation with demon mama
😂
Lmaoooo and no bullshit
jesus christ that is a beautiful comment
Eternally grateful for the endless flow of overconfident, ignorant people who actually volunteer to jump on screen and prove their total inability to be taken seriously.
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After watching this, I now agree with Fresh and Fit.
Based
Yeah, she makes me reconsider if F&F are giving women too much credit. It also makes me reconsider the British education system.
Holy shit this girl is exactly what the sub has sounded like in the past few days😂
Kelly please, for the love of god, engage. I get the urge to argue with everything but dude, sometimes you need to listen.
Please stop mansplaining.
@@bigdick1267 she is just speaking her truth you go QUEEN 👑
Yeah she's annoying af
@@Hotsauceonmyburrito you don't know what she has to go through everyday. Walking down the street getting catcalled. Having men mansplain to her, and having to be quiet about it, because if she talks back...she might get murdered..
@@bigdick1267 I can't imagine living every day in fear that I might get murdered if I talk out of turn omg
It must be so frustrating being Destiny 24/7, I'm praying for him.
fr fr
Why he chooses this an became rich from it hell be fine lol
@@Himmy_Neutron_blac_genius Now that he's on his "oh wait I actually need friends" arc, I wonder if he'll change up the content
@@MrMctastics imagine having/wanting female friends. Zenith-Cringe. He's ngmi
for her*
Ohhh, I get it now. She's a big booba cosplay girl. She doesn't NEED to bring anything else to the table, so she doesn't even bother.
Nope. No need. Cleavage. A nice voice. Makeup. Camera. Done
@@roninhubbard9059 "nice voice"...
@@magganon As obnoxious as fucking possible*
@@magganon i think its a quirky voice, all you need is 10-100 big spending simps and your set for life
@@roninhubbard9059 Nice voice… you kidding right?
God, I just love and respect women so much
What a self report meme.
Just comes across as sexist.
Same, I respect Destiny so much
@@Spartan69117 don't let the fact that Destiny is a girl's name distract you from the fact that JLP likes little boys even though Jesse is the male spelling of a girl's name
@@xp8969 C-C-COMBO
When someone doesn't engage with the hypothetical it usually means...
They view hypotheticals as word traps since their entire argument tends to fall apart when they are introduced.
Their IQs are too low to understand the hypothetical which triggers them and actives their ego.
They then INSTINCTIVELY interrupt and try to destroy your use of hypotheticals. It's Kryponite to them.
Very well put, just unfortunate that the people who need to understand this are the people typically too stupid and ego driven to ever attempt to.
What if someone throws out hypotheticals about rare/unique scenarios while presenting them as reflective of the general rule? I always shut these down and explain why I'm shutting them down, but I think it's perfectly fine not to engage with certain hypotheticals as long as you state why you're doing it. I'll agree that it looks bad if you seem to be trying to talk your way past a hypothetical though.
@@rs4there If someone is using a hypothetical or analogy that doesn't reflect the principle it needs to be pointed out WHY its not reflective of said principle. If it doesn't fit they can provide a counter hypothetical that better reflects their principle.
Most people who don't understand hypotheticals and complain when they're proposed aren't retorting with explanations as to why they are disingenuous or poorly framed, they just claim they're pointless as Kelly does or that they don't like engaging with them.
If you properly understand basic analytic philosophy and use of tools like analogies, you'll typically be more than happy to engage with one even if rhetorically it might not be in your favour. Its a basic building block of good faith debate or conversation.
@@rs4there What’s even the point of a hypothetical if it has to be realistic?
The willingness to engage with hypotheticals is divided along party lines, with conservatives being highly adverse to the engagement.
One hypothetical used in a study proposed something like the following:
If Germany had an area of 1,000 square miles, and had one camel per square mile, how many camels would be in Germany?
Liberals tended to answer “1,000”
Conservatives tended to get hung up on whether Germany was actually 1,000 square miles or whether there was actually 1 camel per square mile.
The take she gave regarding the word "Nazi" was so brain-dead I literally developed black mold in my brain.
Nice reference xD
Why black?
@@baker4000because he loves black people
I hate how this girl approached almost the entire debate with the same energy as any time Destiny says "... okay."
17:25 Destiny's "this is so easy to solve in 2 seconds" is so funny in retrospect
Destiny/WickedSupreme is a solid combo. I wanna see more of them talk about philosophy/moral stuff. Kelly's dumb
i cannot stress the fact that destiny's brain can literally do all these gymnastics while also playing a his video game.
If you see how he is playing, you would understand. Many times he just runs around in circles or some thing that does not need a lot of brain power.
adhd i do the same with my hobbies
Bruh if you want to have a discussion specifically about semantics, you can't be accusing other people of being 'pedantic', because that applies to every point made in a discussion about semantics. Pedantic is a criticism that only works when someone is deflecting from some pragmatic conception that doesn't exist in discussions about semantics.
This felt like someone trying to explain quantum physics to a cat.
She would fit right in with the girls on fresh n fit lol
Listening to this person makes is really hard for me to remember that I really respect women.
Also make me forget that I have tolerance of autistic people and don't think we should just put them in a corner with a lollipop and not let them talk.
I hope you respect destiny at least, she deserves it
@@paskalispongkuk8839 respecting Destiny, sure I do, but just barely.b
What has her sex got to do with the dumb shit she says purely other than sexist rehetoric.
What's your problem with Destiny?
Is she playing a character? Trolling? 16 years old? What's actually going on here?
Many things fill lakes and rivers.
this is so painful holy shit
It triggers me when people repeat the thing about how literally just means figuratively. It doesn’t. “I could literally eat a horse” is a phrase used to be extra hyperbolic. The person using that phrase means “literally” they are just using figurative language.
“I could literally eat a horse” and “I could figuratively eat a horse” are not the same thing, because the former doesn’t explicitly betray its hyperbole, and is therefore a stronger expression of the feeling.
This girl had to be drunk as fuck
Guests like this woman make me like Nick fuentes even more tbh
Yes, the literal racist misogynist 👏.
Lo same!
Ironic Destiny is very pro drugs, yet brings on this totally smashed woman to demonstrate why you shouldn't do drugs.
Kelly was speaking for less than 3 minutes before I had to click off. People do not think in dictionary definitions, you can argue whether that should or should not be the case, but you cannot argue that it is not what people do. Even the "official" definitions for words get warped by society's use of them over time.
Literally
Lav is annoying, Zherka rots my brain a bit but holy FUCK this is the most mind numbing experience I've ever had
She really sounds drunk
She's just a brit
Destiny has the right idea about concepts. This is reflected in language as well. There is a concept of water and there is the form of water, which is determined by it's physical appearance and container. Is a glass of water and water the same? Physically no. But linguistically and conceptually it can be.
If you go across the border it's agua
@@alldayumday2660 xD
@@alldayumday2660 Do you understand that Destiny is making the same exact argument that Vaush did? Or your VDS has already fu..ed your brain?
I agree, destiny is a girls name
@@alldayumday2660 it's still the clear liquid that doesn't make you sick.
ugh I watched this live, imagine being this thickheaded ugh
I don't know why you would waste your time with people that are internet-famous for being hot.
@@allNicksAlreadyTaken we love and respect all women here
I actually really appreciate Kelly’s engagement because sometimes I need more hard evidence for my misogyny
I think it's her smarminess that makes this so off putting. It's okay to be wrong, but up be so confidently wrong and then speak in that barred out drawl like you're sooo sure you're right... Jesus fuck this was painful.
This fake drunk/high routine makes me feel like someone is teleporting itching powder into the center of my fucking brain.
here i am almost over the whole misogyny thing and kelly reels me back in...
I think that listening to this "discussion" is the closest I've ever been to triggered. My body is sort of shivering or vibrating physically and I feel as though I'm having an out of body experience listening to this person speak. I couldn't finish the clip.
I still love and respect women though
@@magganon uhh based?
The way she talks is annoying - it is as if she wants to sound cute like a cartoon character. It is as irritating as girls who deliberately end their every sentence in vocal fry.
@@magganon She's speaking to you and only you
@@colbyrob4814 😳
Kelly is what happens when simps convince an average woman she’s a 10.
It's the same in french. "Je suis" is "I am" but for age you say "j'ai" which is "I have"
Speaking on behalf of all brits, we do not claim her as our own
I cannot believe a person as smart as destiny put up with this for so long
14:44
Jesus Christ. I had to pause the video because I was laughing so hard.
Absolutely nailed it.
Yeah that killed me too. Brilliant.
Destiny's patience here is crazy.
I wonder why hes so patient with this person when hed insta ban a twitch chatter for saying this.
hmmmm
I want to point out Nazi had a positive meaning at one point. Hitler was Man of the Year for Time Magazine at one point.
Lol imagine quibbling over a dictionary definition and then accusing someone of being pedantic for taking a literal reading of the text. If there is ever a time to be pedantic, it's when you're reading a dictionary definition. That's the whole point 🤦♂️
I'm just gonna say this right now. No sarcasm from me. No trolling from me. Kelly has unlocked the ultimate convo/debate grift. What's impressive about her is that she's mastered the art of not giving a fuck to actually engage properly whenever it suits her, and she expertly presents herself as someone that makes you question whether she's intentionally obtuse or just plain dumb. I can't even tell which is true, and that in itself is part of her grift. Add the occasional unwarranted, aggressive yelling over people immediately followed up with the cute little girl voice and what we have is perhaps the most quintessential alpha grifter of debate tactics of immaculate proportions. This is because Kelly is an amorphous chameleon, which can be seen as a compliment to her in a way. She's able to be just coherent enough in her points to, let's say, articulate that the term "Nazi" is very rigidly obvious, but when Destiny challenges her by using the vagueness of dictionary definitions she herself sees as valid, she'll pull a British rendition of Lav overreacting to a pretty logical point, fake giggle and everything.
No part of me is kidding when I say this: You can have Kelly debate PhD professionals and people like Bertrand Russell, and she'll demolish all of them in a heartbeat. Her phony little act makes her unbeatable because it gives her the benefit of outlasting people, and she comes off as the last man standing when she goes all, "Aww. They left the call cuz they mad." I think she likes the impression that people disengage because it makes it look like they conceded and just can't handle the heat, so she looks like the winner, even though the real reason is because she's not worth taking seriously. Maybe it's because of her self-admitted "neurodivergence" or whatever, but I'll give the girl credit. Her ability to morph from coherent debater to obnoxious, insufferable child allows her to comfortably hang with people way above her station in intellectual discourse, such as Destiny and ChudLogic. She's able to slither her way into discussions about pseudoscience and Nazis, and her attitude allows her to hold her own. And that is absolutely impressive.
I have zero context to this girl - I would never be deep in this fandom - but I, too, think she's brilliant after the last couple of shows she's been on.That girl Destiny is f*cking gives new meaning to cringe, and the white knighting was pathetic.
@@cr293737
Wait. Destiny is with a new girl after Melina? Who?
I dunno who this Kelly person is but as a british person if i heard a girl talking like that it is a huge red flag and I'd be getting the fuck out of there. She is not in this discussion in good faith because her personality is not good faith.
"You're British, you're not European"
What mate???
Lol... you live on Rhode Island, you're not American!
@@PJF1981 Rhode Islanders stay losing.
Im from spain. The U.K. is not Europe. Its a floating trash heap.
At one point it felt like she was trying to convince him people are just literate by default and that is the most mind blowing part of this to me.
I learnt to speak at the age of 3 from books in school ! Lol
Islam is right about women
It's people like this that the word "twat" was invented for.
I'm at the first half hour and this already grinds my gears no other person has before.
that is why destiny community started hating woman... this woman is nuts.
Destiny - "I don't want to use that category"
Kelly - "yer ok, so then why don't you think he should be in that category"
X Repeat.
This is the difference between words and ideas, words are the label we use to convey an idea, because language with multiple people needs to be agreed on like in dictionaries. The british person would probably prefer more singular words for each idea (and more definitions), but Destiny seems to prefer to use one word and then try to explain what the idea is with multiple words.
I think I like more words, and I use dictionaries to use most words. I guess it's different for people who speak only one language.
She just pushed me further to the right
I know 5 languages and the last one I learnt was Japanese. It gave me an identity crisis for a hot minute because of how different the philosophy behind forming thoughts is. And by identity crisis I mean, I started reading Cioran and shit... Now after being fairly fluent in Japanese, it still doesn't feel familiar. There is a lot of ambiguity not present in European or Middle Eastern languages so all I can do is say something and hope that the other person gets what I meant. Surprisingly, usually they do. Japanese is a heavily contextual language, so a random sentence screamed into the void might not mean much.
most mentally stable ddga
Humble brag much
It depends on how used to the "Western modality" you are before acquiring Japanese. If you exist in a very "Western" environment, then Japanese will "not feel familiar" or give you an "identity crisis" - which, as descriptions in themselves sound very affective and unlike a Japanese.
@6:13 this is called language deprivation syndrome. It has been researched.
Honestly this chick was based, I am now reading the dictionary religiously so I can understand what people are saying.
how far have you gotten
Opening argument: Well if we look in the dictionary
Response to first rebuttal: You're being pedantic
Why is her response to good arguments " I don't care about that"
Yoooooo hating women is back on the menu and we eating good, boys!
Some people just refuse to engage in intellectual conversations.
Ah yes the smug condescension is a prime characteristic of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
No matter what Kelly will NEVER engage with a talking point enough to challenge her own perspective.
I just ignore these people now a days, not even worth the time to explain to some one who doesn’t want to understand
Rem failing to parse what Destiny argues isn't surprising at all. It regularly happens when a person lost in philosophical terms debates philosophy with a person who takes a practical approach to language use.
For example, I might say something like "I don't think this behavior has a lot of utility" meaning "I don't think this behavior serves any concrete and specific goal", whereas someone like Rem will immediately jump to the conclusion that you're talking about utility as it's used in Utilitarianism simply because you're having a philosophical conversation generally.
Not the best example, but I've experienced this countless times in conversation with people who have formal philosophy education.
What would be the resulting difference? What is the philosophy person hearing instead of „this behaviour doesn’t serve any concrete and specific goal“?
@@synlion
Could be they hear the term utility and jump to utilitarianism, then usually their immediate association would be to actions that produce well-being vis a vis actions that produce suffering.
It wasn't the best example mind you nor meant to be an example of a specific mix-up.
The issue is just that, like with sociology, the field regularly repurposes words and certain people in academia tend to struggle decoupling their "in the literature" mode of thinking.
Perhaps a better example would be the distinct usage between terms like patriarchy as used in feminist theory vs anthropology vs colloquial use.
In FT, it's often losely used to describe any society where men, ostensibly, hold the majority of official political power. In anthropology it's used to describe societies in which leadership positions are exclusive to males and passed down through male lineage. In colloquial terms people are all over the place.
if I have to hear that disingenuous "Yeeeeeeeeeaaahhhhhhhhhh I dunno" one more time I'm going to go play in the street.
Does Kelly realize that being British makes her a colonizer, which makes her a Nazi to some people lol
14:30 love the yu gi oh refrence, also what he's saying is truth. I have a friend who understands his shit so well he can explain his post grad research on semi conductors to me and make it simple in like a 5 minute discussion. So I whole heartedly believe people who grandstand on vague books and studies are memorizing quotes and don't know what they're talking about
the biggest prerequisite for being able to distill complex concepts down simply and efficiently really just comes down to having a holistic understanding of the concepts. the reason we associate this ability with people who really know the material is because it's often the case that if you have achieved mastery in a specific area you will have such a throrough understanding that you're able to be reductive about it, since if anyone calls you out on it you would be able to elaborate.
the issue is this: some topics are really difficult to distill in this way; and that becomes much more likely the more specialized any particular person is in any given field. this is the whole reason there's a distinction necessary between people like science communicators and regular ole 'scientists' in a given field. effective communication isn't necessary for mastery, so it's possible to have someone who uses a ton of jargon and speaks what sounds like a different language who still really knows what they're talking about - this is actually part of the reason philosophy gets such a bad rap once you get into more abstract and purely theoretical concepts.
communicators are meant to bridge the gap here, where they understand enough of their field to relay and distill down concepts in order to communicate with laymen. i think if we did somehow require it for all specialists to be able to communicate their particular specializations in a way that laymen could understand 100%, then we would by necessity be reducing the amount of specialization that goes on period. i tend to agree that we need to have MORE communicators, and more academics in particular need to cultivate better communication skills, but it's basically impossible to expect us to remain as specialized in the sciences as many academics are while also requiring them to take their time to learn to communicate with the public and then devote time to actually do so
@@deensama7718 first off hi nice to meet you,
I see where you're coming from where communication is a difficult skill in its own right and forcing every scientist to focus on communication could take away from their work. I agree with that. The disconnection I'm having is that I don't think we're talking about the same types of people. I believe it is incredibly rare that in the twitchsphere we are seeing the very top echelons of philosophers and scientists discussing the peak of their complex research. A lot of times the things being discussed like in this video are within the realm of explanation to most laymen. I agree with Einsteins quote for the vast majority of these topics that if you can't explain it simply, you do not understand it.
I am willing to concede that maybe with some people in their field are excellent at learning, but are terrible at teaching, I've gotten to see first hand in my area of expertise of masters who are making top 1% money who understand concepts beyond my understanding, but who are dogshit at teaching/explaining. I do however think those people may not understand completely what they are doing and are replicating successes that they stumbled upon.
Thanks for the thoughtful response and I'm interested to hear your thoughts
@@jcpbd1776 mostly i think it comes down to the specifics of the subjects being discussed and what field they fall under. if we took the idea that the way to demonstrate mastery over difficult concepts is to explain them simply as totally true, then we would effectively also be denying the usefulness of jargon. this could also be a perspective issue however.
to explain what i mean, jargon is normally used in the context of communicating complex concepts in shorthand, but that shorthand is typically only accessible to people who have expertise within that field. so from the perspective of a specialist within a field, using academic jargon might actually be the same thing as simply explaining concepts but the intended recipient is a fellow academic rather than the laymen. however, i think most people within these spaces (twitch, youtube, etc.) would agree with the statement that an overreliance on jargon means that the people using that jargon aren't capable of demonstrating their mastery because they aren't able to effectively communicate to laymen.
i'm really just trying to meet people where they're at, so i'll take twitch streamers and viewers at their word that reliance on jargon isn't actually simplifying the concepts from their perspective. that's where my argument that not all masters necessarily HAVE to simplify concepts to laymen comes in, and that's exactly why we have folks like science communicators. it's the inherent cost of increasing specialization, which leads to innovations in many fields and arguably is why technology has exponentially expanded in recent years
also just to be clear, i believe places like twitch and youtube should be of particular interest to communicators. rather than placing all pressure on researchers to come on and defend concepts that they almost definitionally are not totally positive is the capital T Truth (which is why they're researchers, and why the scientific method as far as experimentation is concerned starts with the generation of hypotheses, then testing, rather than working backwards from a firmly held conclusion to justify itself) we should be encouraging the creation of more communicators, and then encouraging the communicators who DO exist to inhabit these spaces and speak on the concepts.
this isn't to say that researchers themselves have no business being here, simply that they're much more likely to be misinterpreted firstly, and that the more ideal situation would involve a researcher being interviewed by a communicator or maybe even having someone who has the skills of a communicator be part of the research team. in my eyes that would give us the best of both worlds, whereby we would be discussing new findings and reviewing old ones with the researchers themselves, using the communicators as a way to bridge the gap between laymen and more specialized and focused researchers who might not even be aware of the myriad ways people can misinterpret their findings until it's far too late
@@deensama7718 I think you're right on a few things. I acknowledge the usefulness of jargain, how anyone in a job or in any field of research would talk to a coworker would be very differnt then how they would explain it to someone outside of their field. I also understand the process of researches and communicators having differnt tasks to effectively specialize their work.
I'm just faced with a dilemma where we may differ in opinion. If I had 2 people in front of me who have achieved the hypothetical exact same level of research.
Guy 1 gave me the stereotypical speech of "well its difficult to explain if you haven't gone over the 1948 study from Deen sama or read "Destiny is a girls name" so you wouldn't understand the jargin I'm gonna use.
Then we had guy 2, like the person I described in my first comment who could explain it to me over a glass of beer.
If afterward you were to ask me who I thought understood their research better there's no world I could imagine picking guy 1 over guy 2.
You did agree that the over reliance on jargain is hurtful to communication and I'm glad we could meet in the middle there. I think we agree on more than I thought, but I can't tell where our underlying disagreement lies.
Thanks for your thoughtful response, hope you're doing well
The average intelligence level of humanity is depressing
This was excruciating. Thumbs up.
A lot of women genuinely think acting like this is cute and flirty. Seriously.
Dictionary definitions are fluid btw.
This popped up in my recommendations just now and I wasn't surprised at it being new or a year old.
Why does she sound completely xanax’d out lol
If destiny successfully debate Lord's his audience into thinking that Nick Fuentes isn't a Nazi so that they'll accept the fact that he associates with him without a stigma then he will be the absolute BEST debater on the planet.
Yeah I love how red pillers share this principle of "telling it like it is" but God forbid you call an ethnostate supporting nationalist, who has questionable opinions about Jews a Nazi. It's actually an incredible feat by Destiny.
"Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup"
I enjoyed the “take us to the wizzies” section.
She even lied about the age kids start school in the UK, it's 5
You know when someone has their jaw wired shut for a week after jaw surgery and they have to speak with their teeth together... why does she sound like that permanently?
It's what she thinks smug sounds like
"I did Labeling Theory in Sociology, okay" - ah, it all makes sense now. Pseudoscience based on Saussure's ultimately solipsistic theory of language, which considers a concept a mental construct inside the mind of a speaker.
My favorite example of this language issue is that "vegetable" as we use it today is a nonsense word. Vegetable just means plant matter in its technical sense (I.e. vegetable, animal or mineral), but then we kind of use it colloquially to refer to the parts of plant matter that are edible.
The problem is that we then started adding categories for edible plant matter like fruits and nuts and legumes till what exactly a "vegetable" is has more to do with fitting in with certain recipes or flavor profiles than actually belonging to a classification relating to biology. That's why tomatoes are a fruit, but they're also absolutely a vegetable.
Don't tell that to a chef
@@AUstudios ...The one who taught me that was a chef. What part do you think they'd disagree with?
Okay, and? It’s not a “nonsense word” though. It means any plant that fills a savoury role in cuisine. I think that is way more useful than any plant that can be eaten. Whereas fruit has two different definitions. A culinary one and biology one. In the culinary definition tomatoes (and things like eggplant) are vegetables, because we use them to make savour foods. The biology definition is a fruiting body. Honestly, in your day to day life, the culinary definition is going to be way more useful.
The fact I can ask you to pass me the vegetables and you’ll know exactly what I am talking about means it’s not nonsense and that theirs rules behind it’s usage. If anything we should be more restrictive and take out anything that is effectively a starch or protein, but still a plant.
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 their point by calling it a "nonsense word" isn't to say that it has no meaning, it's to point out that the meaning has strayed to how it became used instead of what it was created to describe
@@AUstudios A chef would probably be more on the side of tomatoes being referred to as vegetables. A biologist might object though.
I'm here for the 1854 paper by Fiddles McBigglsworth on the double sided upside down pooper scooper conundrum.
Suddenly nick’s opinion on bringing back witch trials doesn’t sound that bad
Nazi
Looking at her twitter and insta I also agree with everything she had said.
She’s mid at best
She’s either drunk, high, drunk and high, or simply missing social skills. Now, I need to get home and get drunk from listening to her! AHHH! 😫
about the japanese thing, watashi wa unagi desu it can mean either: as for me, it's an eel (what i'll be having). Or, when it comes to me, i am an eel. It's called a subject particle. But i dunno, the example is a little contrived. No one is going to be confused and think you are an eel. Japanese is very contextual, but i feel like it is blown out of proportion as well. This kind of ambiguity happens in english and spanish all the time.
The real ambiguity and difficulty honestly comes from social cues you need to pick up on.
This is just proving destiny's point further
@@crazymonk27 maybe, i dunno what destiny's point really was. Just adding some context
@@yojou3695 his main point was that some words or phrases have multiple meanings within different contexts. So the term "nazi" is not worth using when people mean multiple things depending on the person who says it and even the people hearing it can hear different things when the same person says it. So destiny chooses not to use the term and instead care about the positions people hold. Position like Fuentes wanting a country that is as close to an ethnostate as possible and wanting women to all be housewives regardless of what those women want because that would be good for the country according to nick. It's easier to say "you are a nazi and nazis are bad" but more effective in pulling their audience away by saying "you advocate for ideas that do not work and/or cause problems in "specific ways""
But how would you interpret it if it was said by a cannibalistic, anthropomorphic eel in a restaurant?
Checkmate, atheists.
59:10 yep, your average person is willing to throw the word Nazi around without having any clue what those people actually believed
Is she serious, like I didn't hear one thought through statement or questions she said, and on top of that, I dont think anything she said brought anything to the table, while standing on the fact that she did socially in school??😂