Destiny vs Total Moron on Kyle Rittenhouse
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2020
- Destiny vs TheSerfsTV (third person is BookSmarts). Game is Factorio (Destiny's gameplay).
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The irony of the "he crossed state lines" angle is that a chunk of those rioters had travelled from Portland.
Where did you hear this? -genuinely curious
The irony of making a statement about irony by pulling shit out of your ass
@@blackedmirror5073 it's coming up in the records of the rioters that get arrested that the majority are from out of state (if the arrestees are any indication of the larger crowd)
@@Ngooo it's not what you would want to be true so you instinctively deny it. nice one
mrgor24 where is the evidence?
"Swung a skateboard at his shoulder"
Yea dude, he activated his VATS from Fallout and was trying to disarm Kyle with a shoulder blow, clearly
The way his voice was so unconfident when he said that just shows that he knows he’s wrong.
He swung the trucks at his head. I'd fucking kill him too. Not to mention what would they do when they got the gun. Kyle showed excellent restraiint really. I probably would have killed the other people rushing me. He was perfect how he shot only the 3 that were a direct threat.. also amazing they were all antifa and pedophiles but those seem to be synonymous
@@WickedIndigobad faith in all aspect lmao dude wasnt even confident with his arguments
@@heartlessjay490 very true😂
how dare you disrespect fallout like that.
Kyle didn't shoot anyone for the reason of defending another person's property. He was defending HIMSELF when he shot.
Idiots like Lance will never admit that. They HAVE to cling to the "defending property" argument because if they talk about what ACTUALLY happened in THIS CASE, they'll whole argument falls apart.
its literally on video he was being mobbed, a guy with a RIFLE getting mobbed. is that not darwin level ? its best form of eugenics
"I can't answer that. It's a case-by-case basis."
He literally just gave him a case.
Yup. He was terrified because he knew if he answered honestly he would have to admit he’s wrong on rittenhouse
“Crossed state lines! It wasn’t his property! He was 17! What’s a community?”
How good is your argument when you have to rely on such petty non sequiturs? Destiny’s argument is so easy, it’s just “watch the video evidence.” That’s all he needs to win
Emile H Shut up nerd
Not really, but tell yourself whatever youd like.
@@firghteningtruth7173 seethe commie
@@adamboyle3331 lol. Whatever, man. Logic and reason go out the window, eh?
@@firghteningtruth7173 the entire point of non sequiturs is to get in the way of logic and reason.
People are contorting the shit out of their arguments to say this kid wasn’t acting in self defense
They are using every possible argument that involves not watching the actual video.
Vausch had a debate with destiny on this and it came to light Vausch didn’t event watch the videos at all. He claimed Kyle was wildly shooting into crowds 20 feet away from him. Destiny asked if he watched the video and he said “Uhmm.. I think maybe... I might have seen it”. When destiny went to bring up the video to prove him wrong Vausch says “EVEN IF I WAS WRONG....” and went on about some other nonsense argument unrelating to what’s in the videos. It’s so easy for destiny to win because all he has to do is point at the video evidence.
@@adamboyle3331 It's maddening, everything is a damn caveat. A few things can be true at the same time, Rittenhouse was stupid for going to Kenosha with a rifle but justified, he can feel like the greater area around where he lives is part of his community, he acted in self defense (whether a jury thinks so is another matter) with all the shootings, the people trying to stop him after the first shooting were justified in their actions too. Ironic to think that some of the businesses burned down in Kenosha were minority owned.
As a leftist, I despise how most of the left is drinking the koolaid of "Kyle is a murderer who went there to kill people"
@@tripledigit4835 That's why I've grown fond of Destiny so much and by extention his community, because he feels genuine and is willing to go against a sizeable portion of other lefties even tho it goes against their narrative
Surprise Duck I like destiny too, he had some oof takes like the one on incest and sharia but on this he’s right
Surf's argument in a nutshell: if you're driving a car without a license or too young and a someone tries to run you off the road, they are not morally unjustified in doing so.
I'm a highly defensive driver and the best defense is a strong offense.
@@BlooCollaGal if you had actually been driving with a strong offense, you would know that it's literally the best way to get into a road rage/crash. Driving far behind other cars, using signals and not making sudden or fast movements is what prevents crashes from happening. I drive defensively as long as people aren't trying to run me off the road with their stupidity or when they're breaking laws.
Had a Tesla that was in a real hurry. He flashed his headlights on me as I was in the left lane. I was slowly gaining on the car in front of me. He was pretty far away, but seeing as it would only be stupid for me to drive faster just to get stuck behind 10 cars in front of me, I kept my pace. Then the guy overtook me on the right hand side which is illegal as far as I know. 10 seconds later I was riding his ass, even though I was going the exact same speed the whole time. I tried to prove a point to him, but I bet that he was too stupid to understand what even happened and why.
@nicklasveva that's my favorite move. Dude blows by me. Just to stop at the same light so I can pull up and wave. "Do it again at the next light?" 😂
@@BlooCollaGal Pre-emptive strikes on all the other cars.
@@nicklasveva when you're the fastest thing on the road then there's a whole direction you don't have to worry about anymore (ie behind you).
Destiny spends ten minutes defining community.
Other guy: what is community
And I bet serfs has no problem saying “the black community” which is 30 million blacks scattered across half a continent. But Kyle can’t have a community in a neighboring town that he works at and has family and friends there.
@@adamboyle3331 I know it is so infurating seeing large city leftists just ignoring reality to push this alt right narrative on a kid trying to help his community
@Ragnar Redbeard the fact that every debate is about these petty non sequiturs and never about analyzing real video evidence shows that the commies have totally controlled the direction of the debate. And if you argue with them it’s their rules and standards.
Lefties: Boarders are just meaningless imaginary lines.
Also lefties: OMG!!! HE CROSSED STATE LINES REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
It's fascinating...
Can you give me context to when lefties say that?
Sorry that I'm ignorant.
@@yaboyashh
It's a straw man. Lefties don't think that boarders are imaginary and meaningless. Boarders are socially constructed (which is to say that they're human made) and they therefore obviously have real life effects on people and their behavior and even manifest themselves physically often times.
Lefties say that because borders are socially constructed, they can be deconstructed as well (which is intuitively plausible since nation states as they exist today are an invention only a few hundred years old).
Invented things are obviously real, though.
@@romanski5811 gracias
@@romanski5811 when lefties say "no human is illegal" I think its safe to assume that they think border are meaningless
1 minute into the video, literally everything that guy said was wrong.
My dude, you have a great channel 👍
I enjoyed your WoW vids.
I, Vercingetorix lmao that dudes channel is stuck in 2015 where he finds stupid shit people say to own the libs
@@killj0y58 It doesn't need to be intelligent to get at a lib, lol!
Hey punkrat! Keep up the good work 👍🏻
"If I was being raped, I would probably just let it happen"
Are we just going to ignore that?
@@lustrazor44 okay fair enough I guess he's explained it before. I'd personally risk it all.
Time stamp please
I'm definitely not ignoring it. 🍆😈
23:40
Destiny Sneaky Debate Tactic: remember what the opponent says.
The Left's worst enemy
Bro, i just spend 10 mins going over the same 2 mins, bc I miss read hahah
This dude is a complete moron. I've seen him try to debate before. He never has a clue what he's talking about and makes up facts. He takes shit out of context and blatantly lies. Kyle didn't murder anyone while defending property. Not to mention he didn't murder anyone period.
My other favorite part of this video was when he said Kyle put himself in this situation. The people who got shot also put themselves in this situation and were the aggressors to top it off.
This guy is absolutely refusing to be honest because admitting any point of Destiny’s argument is correct invalidates his entire belief system. Probably shouldn’t profess to believe ideals you’ve never taken time to critically dissect.
i've been in similar situations and it changed me for the better (i hope) down the line, so after this guy processes it, he may change something
Kevin H we can only hope that’s the outcome because the idea that personal property shouldn’t exist and the following people have no right to defend it is very dangerous for west values and culture.
@@xDDufiosy There's a difference between personal property and private property. Personal property is for actual personal use by an individual whereas private property is privately owned and used to generate profit. Communists don't advocate for the abolition of personal property. They want the abolition of private property. Why are neolibs so ignorant when it comes to leftist ideals?
Yup, it's basically an hour of those idoit pretending he has a genuine outlook but really he's just picking the side of his people, leftist.
@@sethrussell6393 Personal property isn't nor doesn't make a constitutional difference. Our constitution says you have the right to PROPERTY. "Privately owned" and by whom? Individuals. A meaningless distinction you just made. And yes, communists want abolition of individualistic ownership of property. That inherently means you nor I can OWN something. This distinction of whether it's my cell phone or my business means nothing because it's still MY property. If there is a use to it for the larger surrounding community or society then to the communist's ideology it is not mine. And no, you'll never find in ANY legal or constitutional document where it says that private property is specifically property that can general a profit. Your definition is the most absurd and hilarious attempt at rewriting what property and property ownership means.
It's so funny in retrospective how objectively wrong so many people were
It’s wild
Lol, objectively wrong about what?
@@ronniekregar3482@ronniekregar3482 he didn't cross state lines with the gun. Kyle did have links to the Kenosha community - he worked there and his dad lived there.
The first person shot by Kyle - a paedophile who had that day been released from a mental hospital and who had theatened to kill people at the riot - his DNA was on Kyle's gun and he had a burn mark on his hand - evidence he had tried to grab Kyle's gun after chasing him.
The second guy who was shot has assaulted Kyle. - striking him on the head when he was on the floor - after chasing him down
The third guy shot by Kyle was pointing a loaded gun at Kyle when he was shot
No people who didn't assualt Kyle, point a gun at Kyle or attempted to disarm Kyle were shot
@@ronniekregar3482well, for one he was not racist.
@@alansouthall8221 lol, he left the left he safety of his OWN home, drove 25 miles to another State and WILLINGLY and EAGERLY joined an active riot with a military weapon on sling strapped to his chest. There is a recording of Kyle 2 weeks prior making his disdain and intentions for protesters clearly known and the judge wouldn't allow it to be admitted. The owner of the car dealership he was "supposedly" protecting testified he never told Kyle or any of his wanna-be Rambo friends to defend anything. In fact he testified he was intimidated by them and was scared to ask them to leave. And still no one can answer what did Kyle's presence actually accomplish other than the death of 2 people? What did he actually protect? What businesses got their insurance check any faster as a direct result of Kyle killing 2 people?
I'm confused. The description mentions TheSerfsTV but Destiny seems to be debating a live weasel.
I’m confused. I thought this video was supposed to be a debate, but this is just animal abuse.
LOL
Cringey response...maybe you're a weasel?
Yeah that's him.
Lol enjoy your 69th like sir!
When destiny compared the Rooftop Koreans to Kyle I’m surprised the serfs didn’t just come out and say “but kyles white, and they’re not white”
@Quinton Rogers they're likely against the rooftop koreans
Kyle was on a rooftop? Looked like he was in the middle of the protest without any backup, but my eyes are old, so what do i know...
Ooo I was waiting for him to say that. I was sitting here thinking "say it. Say 'well Kyle was white,' you little baby-faced bitch."
Totally different situation. I'm sure some of those roof Koreans weren't store owners, but it's probably fair to say they were at least asked by someone that was.
He was not asked by the property owner directly, he was not legally allowed to carry or own that weapon, and he wasn't on private property when it went down.
The roof Koreans is always a great example to use when discussing the right to defend private property with deadly force, it's not that relevant here.
@@Darkpara1 who’s property it was doesn’t matter. Nobody actually cares except for commies looking for anyway to demonize Kyle.
Kyle was trained in ancient Korean Rooftop martial arts.
Ancient Korean rooftop martial arts is something clearly useful for situations like these.
its not self defense if i dont agree with his political allegiance!
lol the part about white nationalists defending property, as if he gives a shit about the rioters being convicted sex offenders
You can't justify killing a guy with a skateboard.
@@Healcraft ?
@@laurencewhite4809 I can if hes attacking me with said skateboard
@@laurencewhite4809 He grabbed the gun according to witnesses but alright bud
"If he didn't know the gas station's owners he should have minded his own business and let people set it on fire"
What a hunk of human shit
you are WRONGK!
he UNDERSTANDS the ri.ots. its a cry for help you know, its THe cry of the UnhearD, i burn down gas stations whenever i need help
There were 60 to 100 people in the gas station parking lot that could have been blown up. Kyle was doing what the police were too pussy to do.
Well the car dealership owners lied during his trial and tried to throw him under the bus so yeah, basically screw those guys
the Serf's argument "let my people burn your shit, they're on my side"
lmao he didn't even bring the gun it was given to him and he crossed into the state a few days earlier, he didn't even come down specifically for the protest. imagine being that far behind the narrative
Trying to keep up or aquire new information would mean believing you could be wrong.
From all that we know now, Kyle Rittenhouse put out a garbage fire with which the crowd tried to torch a gas station, that's when the first victim set upon him and chased him until he was finally shot by Kyle. Kyle then call someone and runs away as new people arrive and he is being chased again which led to the incidents we then saw on video.
@Adam He didn't put out the fire he was simply near the guy who did
It is very likely the giving of the gun was entirely legal
@Adam proof you're an Nword
Gar Goyim
fuck off
This guy will not admit water is wet if he thinks it might diminish his arguement.
Agreed. Very disingenuous.
This was such an important case that I’m glad the jury got right. Could y’all imagine the consequences if he was guilty? America would be in chaos.
LOL
@@gozutheDJ insightful LOL
I'm happy Rittenhouse was found not guilty because he wasn't guilty, but America is kinda already in chaos. I guess we're not as bad as Italy's justice system. Have you ever heard the story of Rudy Guede in 2008? Most people have never heard the name Rudy Guede before, but essentially he was a dude from the Ivory Coast who moved to Perugia Italy when he was 5. By the time he was 15 he was a known criminal by the Perugia police. Mostly for breaking & entering and assaults. On the night of November 1st 2007 Rudy Guede broke into Meredith Kercher house. He took a nasty shít in her toilet (didn't flush) then he waited for her to come home. When she arrived he viciously attacked her, he r@ped her & eventually murdered her by stabbing her with a knife that he brought. While stabbing her he cut his own hand and left a bloody hand print on her wall. Her roommate came home and saw some drops of blood on the floor but didn't think it was alarming even though it was odd. She noticed Merediths door was closed and locked so she assumed she was sleeping. After taking a shower she went to her boyfriends place. When they came back they noticed a widow was broken and they called the police. When the police got there they searched the house and eventually found Merediths life less body.
The reason no one knows of Rudy Guede and this obvious slam dunk of a break in / murder is because her roommate was Amanda Knox!!!! The Italy district attorney totally fùckèd this case up because he believed some ridiculous wild sex and drug party gone wrong. Even though there was no evidence pointing at more than one killer Rudy Guede!!!
judge could've, and would've dismissed with prejudice, which he can do even after a jury has reached a verdict I believe
Destiny "were to koreans justified in defending their community?"
Surf "weasle weasle weasle, case by case, depends if it looks good for my narrative"
Read Carl Schmitt on friend enemy distinction
Difficult to call the roof Koreans white nationalists I guess.
@@Darkpara1 Koreans not defending community. They were defending pots and pans.
@Mike Solar if it makes you feel better... all the items those Koreans were defending with there lives are now in a landfill.
Sure but they got $ for it first dummy
The Kyle Rittenhouse debate has become such the political litmus test. People still argue the “crossed state lines” and other points that are just wrong or irrelevant.
Never thought I'd be on Destiny's side.
It’s more like you’re just not on the communist side.
@@adamboyle3331 there are pro gun communists you know.
@@MillzTheAthlete lol you have to be joking right? They’re pro gun only because they personally want guns so they can force their will on their political enemies and take their guns away and take power. They realize in order to disarm and take away their enemies gun rights, they’ll need guns too, that’s the only reason they’re “pro gun”.
Destiny isn't a communist bro..... He's consistent on self defense with lethal force
@@Darkpara1 unreasonably consistent.
This serf guy is the embodiment of "bending the knee"
Lol its in the name
@Soviet Unionball LMAO so much salt oozing from your comment, I love it.
@Soviet Unionball Aren't there neighborhoods and businesses that you still need to destroy? LMAO!
@Soviet Unionball Commie boy is mad, isn't it time for you to get a job?
Bending something
Hot take: whatever happens to a belligerent is the fault of the belligerent.
So let's run that down logically. Would you say if someone cut you off in traffic you could rape them? They were being belligerent so that tracks right?
How about this, let's say you start building an addition on your house and your neighbor reports you for not having a permit could you sayyyyy enslave him or place him in an interment camp begin subjecting him to torture, degradation and inhumane treatment?
What you are saying in either case is that someone deserved to get killed because of an action you deem belligerent. Think about that for a hot minute.
@@DrkAzmodaus woosh
@@DrkAzmodaus that's not what a belligerent is. It's not just someone acting like a jerk.
@@vedinthorn The definition of Belligerent is to act hostile or aggressive in both scenarios I just mapped for you they were acting both hostile and aggressive. One of them was even physically aggressive. So I ran down your logic to anything someone does to someone being belligerent is justified. If your argument can be moved into another analogous situation and be made wrong then maybe it's more about your argument then the situation.
Destiny is quite literally doing this in the video you are posting on. He is moving the serfs argument into another frame work to show it's flaws....
its sad that this is a hot take
Ugh, I've just seen clips of this already, listening to the whole thing is exhausting. Spineless Lance strikes again
Nearly any time someone appeals to "it's multi faceted, it's very complicated, it's complex," they generally have no defense.
Get ready for all the _nuance_ to be injected.
>says he has no legal expertise
Almost immediately appeals to some video what presumably covers all the reason why Kyle looses self defense (just as a reminder he won)
>asked to give video's reason
immediately switches the topic.
Serfs is so spineless i'm cringing at this convo
I mean his name is Serfs. What can you expect.
I don’t understand how serf has any community following at all. His hot takes are so ideological and stupid it makes my head spin.
Same with Vaush. These guys just kiss ass.
Just answered your own question, they need someone to repeat what they already agree with to validate it.
Because Serf was right. Destiny was acting as if there is no nuance to the debate. Once Serf said there was a differences in property value depending on the property (saxophone/pet), the debate was over. In addition, a skateboard has never been used as a deadly weapon. Ever. Its going to be hard to justify murder as self defense, morally or legally, trying to label a skateboard as a deadly weapon, requiring deadly force from an illegal firearm user.
Prior to the discuss, both even agree Kyle never should have never put himself into the situation. Causing the chain of events leading to the murder of 2 people.
@@MillzTheAthlete "In addition, a skateboard has never been used as a deadly weapon. Ever."
If a skateboard had ever been used as a deadly weapon, would that weaken your argument?
@@caseyfensom4155 Not in the slightest. Any rock at the scene is dramatically more deadly than a thin round piece of plywood. A skateboard is literally designed to ABSORB force. Yall trying to justify deadly force would have lightyears better with virtually any other object available at the scene. That fact that it was a skateboard is killing your arguments.
Simply put; if people are able to call out and organize from other parts of the country get together and cause property damage, then others are allowed to organize from the local community and the rest of the country to protect that property.
It’s almost like how human society has worked for millennia
@@GeorgeNoory42069 it makes you wonder why many still struggle with that concept.
Watching Destiny confront the monsters he built, using the weapons he taught them, and struggling to understand how they got that bad is peak kino.
Lol what are even typing?
@@accountnotfound4209 lol what is even
@@accountnotfound4209English is hard.
It's like watching a fall from grace story about gangsters and the MC is realizing how horrible he was and tries to convince his friends to change but instead of mobsters it's Destiny and Twitter leftists lol
Destiny set the stage for this insanity
This entire thing was a waste. KR didn’t kill or shoot anyone over property. He shot three people who were threatening his life. The idiots who were trying to kill him for putting out fires were the ones who thought their right to destroy was more important than his life.
Did not cross state lines with firearm and was legally able to carry.
This is tough to watch, guy is coming across as spineless.
Damn and here i thought a community was more of a concept but apparently it actually is exclusively the people living in 1 specific named area and even if you are 30 feet from another named area then you can't be apart of that community.
But he also talked about the black community. A community of 30 million people scattered across half a continent.
@@adamboyle3331 i mean everyone knows white people only care about people near them.
Why does community even matter? If I'm overseas and I see a girl getting mugged and crying for help do I just say "sorry lol not part of this community" and keep walking?
@@WhopperCheeseDotaIt’s actually a custom in that community to mug young girls at night, young boys do it to prove themselves. if you interfere you are a colonizer
Leftists: Borders are a social construct!
Also leftists: HE LITERALLY CROSSED STATE LINES!!!!!!!
I see destiny's sanity cracking
Abandon all logic all ye who current left turn.
Because Destiny is defending the logical liberal positions here that have worked for a long time, and sheltered socialists and communists are trying to tell him up is actually down and left is actually right
they want to charge Kyle as an adult for possessing a firearm as a minor.
Yeah but that's not uncommon in the US legal system is it? We charge 16, 17 year olds as adults all the damn time, it's fucked up, and shouldn't be the case, but that's just how stupid our legal system is.
Adult act
@@Darkpara1 I guess you didn’t pick up on the meaning of my comment. Try again
I saw, but that's again something that's common, especially with firearms, charged against adults, for possession under legal age.
@@Darkpara1 Kyle is not being charged with underage use of a firearm, he is being charge with non-permitted possession of a firearm. The reason for that is because he is not 18. Now the court can charge him as an adult and charge the gun owner for giving his weapon to a minor. Once prosecutors prove premed (given his social media and gloves), the adult charges will stick.
From what I have seen, he shot the exact people who attacked him at the exact moment he was being (viciously) attacked and he did not fire a single shot at any other time. Every other "moral discussion" is irrelevant to whether or not he was within his moral right to shoot the people he shot.
KYLE DID NOTHING WRONG
He did actually, he only got 2 of em…
@@darthbrooks4933
Sparing Grosskreutz wound up being a good thing-- the sap's testimony was pretty important.
Destiny DESTROYS dishonest no brain takes.
Far from. Destiny said its moral to kill people over a saxophone, depending on how Destiny feels about that saxophone. Its beyond moronic. Its sociopathic.
Detail, IIRC the gun was given to him there he didn't bring it with him
Doesn't make much difference.
@@montypython3014 it does
The people against him said he took a gun across state lines to say he had malicious intent but he didnt
He was there a frew days before it happened and someone gave it to him
@@delgande they can just as easily say that he acquired the gun with malicious intent. I agree it was self-defense, just to be clear.
@@montypython3014 it matters in terms of law. One of the biggest arguments is the gun was illegally owned. That fact proves that argument wrong and is very important.
@@monadomudkipz6169 my understanding was that it was illegal for him to have that weapon, not that it was illegally obtained.
Unbelievable. I am startled by statements such as "it wasn't his community". Has society lost what the concept of honor is?
Thats most stupid argument I ever heard. And why then all these people protested George Floyd, none of them are his community by their definition. Wtf are they talking about? White guy driving 15 minutes from home is not his community and black dude protesting in LA for another black dude killed in Minneapolis is somehow his community. These people are ret.ard.ed
@Quinton Rogers thats literally what I said loser. Learn to read loser
@@ng4logic CRINGE
@@archiethedog4515 (y)
BLAX Idk why all these people are trying to shit on you. They are too stupid to see that you literally agree with them on this point. Everyside has their idiots, we found ours
17 minutes in and the dude on the top keeps shifting the goal post and wont answer any of destinies questions. Not gonna watch the whole thing if he keeps doing this, not worth my time.
edit: 25 minutes in and he keeps doing it. Im done lol.
Welcome to the modern leftist school of thought. 🤪
Nuance is not goal post shifting.
Jay Millzz ahahahahahahaha “nuance”
@Chris Bartolini Serf made the clear moral argument on why not all property violations warrants a death sentence. He also conceded that there was a scenario in which Kyle could be morally justified using self defense. Its almost as if people in this comment section are too rigged in their individual belief systems to comprehend nuanced discussions that differ from their beliefs. Like when Serf said a saxophone is different than a pet, and should be treated as such. This is obvious to any rational person. But it seems that many right wingers believe its justified to murder someone who violates their property rights, no matter the property. No matter even if that property belongs to the murderer. No matter how far from the property the murder takes place. Lack of nuance is why Destiny lost the debate.
@Chris Bartolini All theft justifies death. Got it.
I guess we don't scale indiscretions. So, if someone steals my flower pot, I am justified in brutally murdering the fuck out of them. Never mind winging their leg (which could still kill them). Nah, fuck that. Repeatedly shoot them. Make sure they are dead. Got it.
Doesnt matter if he was defending the property, they were chasing him, a job for police if he did something bad. At that moment you don't know if it's lethal or not. A split second decision of not shooting would either lead to death or expensive hospital bill of being beaten by a mob. In a burning community with a violent mob, the chance of the outcome of being attacked by a mob being death/knocked out is pretty significant. Imagine your property you have put your blood sweat and tears for years be destroyed in 1 night by people you have never met and retaliating being a bad thing.
According to Vausch, you are required to lay down your weapon and submit yourself to the mob because the majority of time people survive the mob beating and only sometimes do they actually die. Even if you are 100% innocent you have to take the life threatening beating because the alternative is a guilty person shot dead. But the mob isn’t guilty somehow when they’re beating you up because they believe they are innocent
LOL, that is such a bad take on him. I guess we all got to pay our hospital bills if they attacked us.
The guy up top stands for nothing. His idealogy changes like the wind. He spent the whole hour dancing around subjects. Spineless.
He's probably buying time for views. Not sure he can even get a cow status, since he's so dense.
Nuance is not spinelessness. Serf even said their could be a scenario were Kyle was justified. Much like everything in the universe, there are no black/white. This is the main reason why right wingers are so easily driven to radicalization. Its the logical outcome of conservative belief systems.
@@MillzTheAthlete His justified scenario was the most specific what if scenario that he had to have his arm twisted into agreeing to. If nuance was him actually agreeing to nothing, commiting to nothing, the sure he's full of nuance.
The problem with these rioters and the cowards that justify them is when there is a point that invalidates your chaos you stammer and stutter your way out of it. Kill time by driving the opposing view to exhaustion deflecting and diverting the conversation.
Serf spent an hour saying nothing. A cowards dance.
@@MillzTheAthlete Nuance? More like: A nonce doing mental gymnastics through a contrarian maze; where hypocrisy, willful ignorance, and vying for the slightest validation of the greatly one-sided moral question of this real young man's right to self defense. The tribalistic exercise of defeating morality for validation of your "side" is the most terrifying foundation of a ruthless totalitarian state.
@@staleezy Redefining nuance to be the caricature you purport doesn't prove anything.
I come back and watch these debates. Especially with Serfs cuz he's an absolute buffoon. The people who argue the community aspect are just so far removed from reality. We had a fire nearly destroy a whole town a few years back, our town is over an hour away and there was such an outpouring of assistance it was unbelievable. Community is such a broad term and it broadens the more traumatic an event is. 9/11 brought the entire US together as a community. An alien invasion would bring the entire human race together as a community.
its nice to see a discussion, regardless of the validity of specific facts, NOT devolve into a screaming match. This is how you break down faulty reasoning, go over EVERY point of contention and Iron out the disagreements. Tip of the hat to destiny for sticking to the discussion.
He was being chased because he stopped their attempt to burn down a gas station.
Kyle was initially being chased for putting out dumpster fires using a fire extinguisher.
“NAZI’S CAN DEFEND PROPERTY TOO!” - Destiny Hot-takes 2020!
#DestinyIsBasedConfirmed
Nazi's have rights too. We all have rights. But we don't have the right to infringe upon the rights of other citizens. That includes all these unlawful scummy protests
16:27 JEZUS im gettint triggered so fucking hard. YES IT WAS HIS COMMUNITY. I wish i could talk to someone who make these types of claims bc i grew up and live in an exact situation as kyle. I can be within 8 different towns all within 15min of each other and i have close personal ties to.. id say 3 of them very closely and semi close ties to all of them bc, i grew up knowing hundreds of kids in all the surrounding schools, all friends, all intermingled at football games, dances, track events, community festivals, i know the majority of the owners of most of the businesses in all these towns or went to high school and was friends with the kids of parents who own most of these businesses. And even though i technically grew up 10minutes of the road from “my town” aka where my parents lived vs where i went to middle school/ high school, where i spent 99% of my summers skateboarding the streets of, walking around that town with friends.. was in a band and wrote a song about one of the roads in this town.
But i didn’t LIVE in this town, i lived in a neighboring borough. In communities where you have townships and boroughs so close together where people live township A but go to school and spend all their time their whole lives in borough B even if its 5-15 min away… that doesn’t make it any less of YOUR community. Also… i live on the boarder of 3 states. I can be 3 different in under 15 minutes.
So the whole “he crossed state lines” and “it’s not his community” trigger the fuck out of me. It’s the most infuriating argument ive heard throughout this whole fucking trial. Morons on facebook and youtube keep repeating this same stupid fucking argument and are completely clueless about it
Destiny paraded so much around the "it's not his property" argument. Allowed the guy up top to pivot it into the concept of community, etc which made the whole thing way too abstract and arbitrary.
It's irrelevant, if you concede that you're allowed to defend your property, as he did, then he should concede that bringing people over to even the numbers would be legitimate, you cannot really claim you support property defense if you're going to say "oh but only the 3 members of your family against these 200 rioters, otherwise it's foul", there'd be no defense.
Same applies for the addition of guns, a force that is heavily outnumbered need guns as an equalizer, plus Antifa also brought guns, so, what kind of defense was he in favor of? Asking "pretty please don't burn my shop" is not defending property.
So, with those things in mind, how can he ever question the legitimacy of Kyle being there? He was there because someone needed people to defend their property, he was trying so damn hard not to go the socialist route until the end of the debate, but it was such an easy dunk if only Destiny tried to clarify what the top guy understood as defending property.
Nobody read this.
@@ken_caminiti i read it
@@ken_caminiti I read it about a year later.
Lance is so off topic. He didnt shoot a guy coming up to the gas station. The guy was coming FOR HIM. The whole self defense over property argument does not even apply.
But i still am asking... why chase a guy with an AR
When you chop away all the twitter aguments (state lines, protecting property, etc) that lance conceded to one by one, all he has is "I dont feel like he should have done that." Which, to be fair, is pretty hard to argue.
This Destiny redemption arc is the best thing to come out of 2020.
He got the firearm there.
Still illegal since he is 17. Gun owner will get charged as well.
The state line thing is the dumbest part. Tons of parents separate and stay close to each other for the kid and the kid is part of both communities.
Hey Covid thanks I needed this for work
The hilarious part is how off and wrong the serfs was when framing the Rittenhouse event and Destiny was like well close enough 🤣
I thought the EXACT same thing. Destiny was way too nice in this debate. Lance was being a disingenuous scumbag.
@Jesse Stevenson "was being" is pretty nice lol i think he just is at this point
The title to this video is so true.
Is it okay if I go stack sandbags when a town an hour away is having bad flooding? Or am I sticking my nose where it doesn't belong?
RGR came out of this looking like a dig dummy too.
I’m pretty sure she eventually made a video saying that Destiny was right on the Kyle Rittenhouse debate, it was way before the trial too I think.
It literally took this guy @30:54 to answer one question from destiny lol the patience destiny has is insane.
Hey, kyle was running towards the police. Why didn't they let him if they thought he committed a crime so the cops could deal with him?
Vigilante justice. The whole protest is about we don't trust the police. He shot at people, hit people and walked away. Not justifying them doing it but its pretty clear why they did it.
@@johnappleseed8146 so why did they start messing with Kyle and why case him down after you think he shot someone? Other than vigilant justice
@@jbthecook Why other than lol they thought he did something really bad and wanted to be the ones who beat his ass not the police. Clearly didn't work out. Clearly not planned. Chasing someone with a rifle after they just shot someone whether accidental or not isnt good for your health. Scared ppl with guns will pull that trigger everytime. And honestly he probably had good reason to be scared for his life. When ppl are chasing you without a weapon knowing you have a weapon, they arent in the best frame of mind.
Didn't the police let him walk away? He left the scene and went home.
@@sonneh88 the police were going to were people were saying people were shot. That's why they asked are you wounded? He said no so they left he was not a threat and they had to get to the threat. It's called an investigation they have to look into what he said if it's true or not. Otherwise anyone can walk in with any story out there and what the police just say "O ok if you say so we'll go get em."
I usually hate destiny but WOW he had a good take on this one
When you are subscribed to that many conservatives, that doesn't really tell me much.
Is Destiny becoming BASED AND REDPILLED™?
No, he’s just not a communist.
lefties are getting more and more retarded its making destiny look conservative
No he's just a grifter. He'll throw a bone once in a while and debate people like Milo and Ian Miles Cheong but he's gotta differentiate himself somehow by also dunking on lefties. Guy knows he's losing views to the Chad Hasan so he's just being petty at this point. His audience is just confused at this point after the lefty arc
He's holding exactly the same centre-left beliefs he's always had, he just doesn't do the same dogpiling that the far left on twitch/youtube goes for. He argued pretty much the same exact thing a couple years back, about defending your home from burglars.
TheH0nestLiar no it’s more like destinys had similar centre left beliefs and positions for a while now, and sticks to those principles consistently whether he’s fighting leftists or right wingers. Also lmao Brocialist hasan who doesn’t pay his workers
I suddenly care deeply about borders
People don't steal during riots because they're oppressed; it's because the opportunity is there.
I wonder if TheSerfsTV thinks it was a bad thing for George Orwell to go to Spain to fight in their civil war
according to serfs a business that takes years and tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to build up is "an Item."
No different than cracking your phone screen!
That’s the problem with this debate. To even engage with Serfs, you have to already accept his ridiculous views of private property. And then you have to debate within the framework of how commies view property.
Even if an individual would have the capability to remove the conditions by which property is so relevant to his happiness, would it be so unthinkable that he'd believe that has never worked anywhere?
He's trying to pretend like if Socialism was the cure for property based violence, when it's a major catalist.
Serf said no such thing. He merely brought nuance to the discussion. Not all property is the same. Blanketing everything with equal property value goes to the saxophone/pet argument. If someone tries to destroy your saxophone, morally, deadly force should not be applied. Someone tries to murder your pet, morally, deadly force could be applied. That's all serf was saying.
If you are not allowed to defend your property then any stronger individual/group that then enters your property you have to give way to the stronger force because you can not call the police to remove them because the police will not deal with them. This happens in England where if your property is broken in to, (say, when you are on holiday, and bar you from re-entering) you have no right to call the police to have them removed as it is a civil matter not criminal. You have to go to court to get a court order to have them removed by force.
Lol, the Simon & Garfunkel soundbite was perfect
Destiny is slowly becoming based
Or youre just realizing that dude can in fact have good faith arguments. Im not a fan of him on some issues. But he's dead on with this one.
I mean he's not really changing at all, he's held this belief for a while and is pretty consistent in what he believes.
Destiny has always believed this. Most of his opinions are based dude you just have to watch some more of his debates
@@maxcleghorn woah now. "Most" is too much credit lmao
As someone who grew up in the country hell my town was the community with the 5 or 6 neighbouring towns it was our community as a whole so I get what destiny is saying
Destroying government buildings for political reasons is called terrorism. I don't think it's much better than destroying private property unless it's absolutely necessary.
Should ask him if he believes in having an army. Its technically the same idea that people gather from all across the country to defend land/property that isnt theirs from being destroyed/taken over.
Destiny doing the lord's work right now lol
5 years ago I hated destiny. I disagree with him on about half of what he says even until today but man am I glad Destiny is holding his ground and destroying these false idols of the left. Seriously someone has to do it and Destiny basically gave these losers space to have a platform in the first place, they all kind of worship him and it is great to watch them lose their glimmer when their hero looks down on them.
Just wanted to say that I love your channel!
Why even debate about defending property? He didn't kill Rosenbaum because he was going to throw a brick though a window or light something on fire, he killed him cause he chased and cornered him and then lunged at him/tried to grab his gun. Why Rittenhouse was in Kenosha is completely irrelevant.
Exactly. He defended the gas station with a fire extinguisher. He defended himself against people who were mad about that, with his AR
The thing that people need to understand is that if you punch a guy who's holding a gun... YOU have just started a gun fight _and you didn't even bring a knife._
There's an old adage: "In a fistfight the winner goes home and the loser goes to the hospital. In a gunfight the winner goes home and the loser goes to the morgue. In a knife fight the winner goes to the hospital and the loser goes to the morgue."
Don't fight people with knives either.
People that think its immoral to protect t property most likely do not own their own home or business and don't hold it of value.
Well, one issue with Destinys argument about defending your community's properties. It wasn't his community. He travelled there for some unexplicit reason. In my opinion it sure seems like he went there because he wanted to play "the hero", not to actually defend anything.
So to him it doesn't matter if they just take small amounts of time off your life?
Like I had to spend time to get money to buy a thing, someone took that thing from me, so the time I spent is now pointless and they have retroactively taken time off my life.
Exactly with the community thing. I live in Kentucky but I went to school, work, play basketball, eat, skateboard, play music, in a town 20 minutes away from me. I have to drive 20 minutes Monday thru Friday to work my job.
I think that calling this guy a moron is a terrible disservice and very unfair to morons.
He says he did a deep dive into this issue yet he still doesn't know that the gun never crossed state lines.
Do we know that for sure? The defense claims that, but they haven’t named the person who lent him the gun. I think it’s plausible, certainly, and taking a gun across state lines wouldn’t negate Kyle’s right to defend himself with lethal force. I’m just think it is too soon to say for sure where the gun originated.
@@cobrastriesand7693 The serial number on the gun goes back to an owner in Wisconsin, according to the defense.
griffmeister sr. That’s interesting. I mean, I assume the gun was lent to Kyle in Kenosha, because he didn’t have it with him in the photograph where he is cleaning graffiti earlier that day, but it’s still possible (if unlikely) that he drove back to WI to get the gun and then drove back again the IL.
Have you seen anything about the prosecutor interviewing witnesses? I’m worried that the prosecutor is giving the rioters time to develop a story about Kyle actively threatening the rioters, in a way that will erode his self-defense claims.
@@cobrastriesand7693 It's common defense practice not to reveal who or exactly how many witnesses have been interviewed, that information is usually kept within the court during the duration of the investigation. It's also common for witnesses to speak on talk shows and news segments, too. Check out Tucker Carlson the day after it happened, an eye-witness gives his recollection.
L. Lin Wood is one of Kyle's lawyers and he said (I'm paraphrasing) "Manufacturing facts under an already false accusation is a great way to get in trouble under the law of defamation." Lin Wood was the lawyer that represented The Covington Kid and settled multiple defamation suits. He also represented Richard Jewell after the '96 Olympic bombings. Kyle has the A Team of lawyers at his disposal👍
griffmeister sr. Right, I think if the case was being covered factually by actual journalists ala the OJ Simpson trial there would be probably be leaks from the different legal teams in the news, but as it is mostly being covered meta-politically, by opinion journalists, the only people trying to report facts seem to be UA-cam spergs. Oh well.
I’m sure Lin Wood is a good lawyer and much smarter than I am, but his Twitter is kinda incontinent for my tastes. If I were facing life in prison I wouldn’t want my lawyer going off the way he does.
You can tell he has never challenged his own ideas through
Does Serfs just have a rich family or something? The guy literally said he would let a random rioter burn down his business. I find it very hard to believe anyone who actually has to work for what they have would say something like that.
Ofc he does. All "socialists" do. They're e-grifters that get paid by Amazon and have never had a real labor job.
funniest shit in the world is when serf owned himself with his own take 37:20
I've been impressed with destiny, he is a very focused debater/speaker
So was this video recorded on the 5thSep2020? Or was this recorded before?
"I don't want to steel man you here." Uh. Yes you do.
Oh shit I had no clue destiny was from omaha! Me too :D