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Panasonic S1 1 Year Later: Time to invest in L-mount?
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- Panasonic S1 1 Year Later: Time to invest in L-mount?
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The Hybrid Shooter thanks for the great review! I have always enjoyed the detailed info you give. I love my S1!!!
@the hybrid shooter
How good is Sigma L mount lenses for S1, like 24-70mm 2.8. that's a lil cheaper than a pro lenses.
@@nitenbagdas4594 I don't know, I have never used it.
@@TheHybridShooter Okay, would love to see you review over it someday soon.
Thanks for your response.
Love your camera reviews! This one was extra enjoyable as I was in Malaga just a week ago, and got to reexperience it again in your video :)
Sometimes i wonder why i watch videos on cameras that i know that I'll never buy.
Maybe curiosity...
Because Hybrid Shooter's presentation is thorough, informative and pleasant. And maybe your future self is encouraging you, too. 😁
For the same reasons you look at pictures of women you'll never marry. ;-). (ok, maybe not the same reasons! lol)
Nice update!! This camera is undervalued by the market and the market dynamics taking place, aka a severe continuing drop in camera sales. It is a truly professional camera and system that gives outstanding results in the hands of someone who has the time and inclination to learn how to use it. Ergonomics are excellent, image quality is great and competitive, the price is acceptable, and lens support gets better all of the time. Except for autofocus issues, this camera should be at the top of the heap in the FF market.
Thank you! It is probably a lot about the size and the weight, that is a deal break-breaker for a lot of people according to the comments on my previous videos.
Panasonic will bring a smaller Body and 1.8 Primes.
4 years later and I bought one. It's a great camera still. With sigma art prime 1.4 lenses the quality is superb and the value incredible. I don't mind larger size. I'm used to film cameras. The stabilisation and screen make up for the size. Such a good deal on the used market. Mine was almost unused. Built like a tank and not heavy
Well done! Very fair and realistic review. Personally, I love my S1 and using it with Voigtlander lenses produces remarkable results. The focusing aids in the S1 are excellent for manual lenses. Thanks!
Thank you, I also enjoy manual focusing on the Panasonic cameras in combination with great EVF and display.
Which Voigtlander lenses do you use with the S1? M mount or...? Which models?
raksh9 M mount. 12mm, 21, 35, 75. 21mm and 75mm are my favorites.
@@jimbean532 Wow, nice selection. I have the Voigtlander 12 v2, 15 v1, 25/4, 35/1.2, 35/1.4, and 75/2.5. I'm trying to find a decent mirrorless alternative to a M body for my M mount lenses. Your comment gives me some hope for the S1.
@@jimbean532 do you find that the s1 handles the m lenses quite well then? Like minimal issues on iq?
Lovely video as always, I appreciate that you do these semi annual updates.
Thank you!
I love that you are doing these follow ups. It’s very useful and very thoughtful and balanced as usual. The one thing is miss the most right now would be more affordable and lighter primes like the f/1.8s from Nikon for Z Mount. I fully understand why Panasonic didn’t start with those but it’s a pain. Basically the only native ~85mm prime is a Leica 90mm f/2 for 5000€. This is bananas.
Thank you, I also miss smaller lenses, that is probably the main reason why I didn't invest in L-mount system.
The Hybrid Shooter have you ever done a comparison with the Nikon Z6? I wish I could rent one but it’s difficult where I live. It’s the only alternative system I would find interesting but I think it still has more/worse compromises despite the “better” (for me) Lens selection. I really dislike the Sony bodies, not the least because I have very big hands.
Unfortunately not, I much prefer A7 III over the Z6, especially E-mount over Z-mount, so that is still a full frame benchmark for me.
Nice to see you in Malaga! Next time let me know, I'll show you beautiful places and we can go shooting together. Congrats for your video
Great review, the video stabilization looks like dope
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This review really stands out, compared to so many others on UA-cam. Thanks!
Thank you!
Hey, I see you recorded it in Málaga (Spain), beautiful place. Thanks for your video on Pana S1!
Great video. I'd definitely like to see a 16-35mm and more L mount reviews in the future.
Just picked this camera up last year as my first MLC camera with the combination of my A7RIV for stills.
I'm a documentary filmmaker for cinema and I love working with your LUMIX S1.
But I have three big problems with it, which in my should be changed vie Firmware to make working in the field better.
1.) The rec button cannot trigger my external recorder from ATOMOS, because my S1 doesn't put out timecode over HDMI and no trigger signal. This is problematic because I want to record externally and internally at the same time and I have to press always two times - which is a pain and sometimes to slow to react in shooting in a documentary.
2.) I would love to shoot in some difficult situations without an external monitor/recorder. The great EVF would allow that. But I shoot most of my films for cinema in cinemascope. But there is really no options for framing markers inside the camera. Only helping lines for photo. That is really a shame. So I cannot frame my picture without monitor. (I think the S1H has the same problem).
3.) The switch to APS-C mode is not assignable to function buttons. You have to go into the menu and click twice. Simply to long for some situation where you have to change it fast or when the camera is on a gimbal. An my Sony a7M3 you can have this switch simply by pressing a button. This is a joy to use. When you record with external recorder only you can change it during record - like a cut. That would be great to have on the S1 also.
nice video, what I like about it is that you put some nice test footage to showcase the camera
Hopefully the S5 brings much of the S1 but in a more compact form factor. I would be very interested if it did.
It will, although there will be some compromises and limitations of the old sensor platform and DFD system.
@@TheHybridShooter Oh well, hopefully the rest of the camera makes up for it. Looking forward to your review!
If I had money this would definitely be my next purchase. But for now I'll buy the g9!
G9 is a good camera
@Freerider actually I need something now. I can't afford to wait longer, but I also can't afford the expensive thing. So I'll get the cheaper thing that also works.
Thanks for the great video! I love my S1!!!
Very interesting video! I am also looking forward to your review of the 16-35 mm f/4 because I am a L-mount user and I need a wide angle lense. I am going to use it for real estate, for photographing interiors, and there are two possible lenses that I have found, and that I now have to consider - the Sigma 14-24 mm F/2.8 DG DN Art or the Lumix S Pro 16-35mm F/4.0. The Sigma is faster, but also heavier. The Lumix is more versatile, since 35mm can be used everywhere. The price is about the same for both lenses. Now, I would love to hear what you think I should buy!
the same question....ahhhh
Very fair and informative video. I will switch to the S1 now and sell my DSLR.
Thank you, although if you are switching from DLSR, I don't recommend investing in L-mount at the moment. There are much more perspective systems.
Thanks for the video. One issue I have seen with my S1 and 24-105 f/4 lens is that the exposure is often lower than when shooting with my a6400, which tends to get the exposure pretty much right all the time. To me, it seems like when using matrix metering on the S1, it factors in the brightness of the item where the focus point is, while the Sony a6400 seems to factor in more of the overall scene brightness, at least in stills. I tend to use manual focus in video so maybe that has less of an effect on exposure in video?
Manual focusing has no effect on automatic exposure. The easiest way to fix that would be to use exposure compensation.
Discovered after purchase that The S1 does not
output Trigger signal via HDMI, and also doesn't output timecode. Therefore the Camera can't trigger recording to an Atomos Ninja Unit which is a Big Flaw in my opinion... Maybe you could suggest this feature added in the Next Update... Cheers!
Went from a7Iii and a7riv to s1 and S1r. No regrets
Love my s1, I think only downside of this system is high lense prices and no proper zoom lense at the moment
I think that there are other downsides, but I like to use it as well.
@Freerider from zoom lense I meant super telephoto lenses, like 600mm
Great video and commentary.
Thank you!
Sadly s1 is not offering FHD 120p with audio codec. like A7iii
Yes, that is generally a disadvantage of Panasonic.
Odlična recenzija! Pozdrav iz Hrvatske!
Hvala lepo!
The Hybrid Shooter Hvala lijepo. 😉
Really good review!.......my only question is, do u think this is worth buying for someone who wants to video concerts, and maybe a mini documentary? I would love to do a S1h since the footage is the best that I've seen on a mirrorles but, it's quite expensive for my budget! 👊🏽😎👍🏾
Do you have a feeling for the S1 IBIS compared to a Nilon Z6/7, on stills? I get the impression the S1 is better, but I'm not sure how much better.
Much better.
Great video! Do more reviews of Panasonic lens please
Thank you!
Thanks for the video. Looking forward to the review of the 16-35 f/4 (I'm using the Canon EF 16-35 f/4 L and an MC-21 right now and it is big and heavy, but was only US $900 used compared to $1500 for the Panasonic 16-35 f/4). Also looking forward to the "rematch" between the a7 III and the S1 with the updates. Oh, I wish they would put Cinelike D version 2 in the S1... apparently it is only in the S1H while the S1 still has version 1???
What's the difference between them? It's the first time I'm hearing about this... and I is it actually called "Version 2" ?
I know four joint flagships would make the line crowded, but I'm hoping for a premium S rangefinder body. The improvement from gh5>g9>s1 design-wise is considerable. I wonder what this same design team could achieve when competing with the x-pro.
That camera already exists, it is Leica Q2 with S1R sensor and internals.
@@TheHybridShooter The fixed lens, lack of front grip, and video capabilities are the issue. But hey, not everyone can get what they want in this camera market.
That would really be extremely niche camera with insufficient demand.
Its a good camera, there is no doubt about that. But really the large lenses and heavy body somewhat neutralise the class leading IBIS (II wouldn't want to hand hold this camera for any length of time).
As I have said that is a trade-off.
Usually Panasonic uses towerjazz sensors, i digress thanks for the review mate
You’re welcome! Panasonic uses Sony sensors in majority of cameras, only a few models use towerjazz sensors (S1R).
Great video ! thanks
Good review and video. Considering the s1r over the a7r4 due to the cost. I definitely shoot more still than video and would like a high res sensor albeit for the fun of it. L mount lenses are expensive though? Or should i just save for the a7r4?
Also take a look at A7R III that should be more than sufficient basically for everything. Personally, I wouldn't invest in L-mount system at the moment.
Will do thanks
The Hybrid Shooter Ouch. Would you say the same ever after the release of the S5?
@@thrallingFRglory Yes.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the upgrade from the GH5. I've been pondering if I should get a GH5s for my second body, or sell it all and jump on the FF wagon.
That video will be ready soon.
I wonder how this will fare against the new Canon EOS R5. Anyone know when that comes out?
Unfortunately no, nobody knows.
hi Shutter - I also own this camera for over a year now. Using panasonic lenses 24-70 f2.8,70-200 f 2.8 and sigma 14-24mm f2.8
I would like to ask Yu about the AF, tell me what setting did You use when shoting with gimbal? the clips from Your video?I have Ronin S and just couldnt figure out yet how to combine them togheter to get great footage.
Thank You for Your answer.
Did you record voice with speakers on? I can hear a ~400hz feedback / resonance creeping in ;)
Would you rate it as better than the G9 for still photography, particularly real estate, where I don’t need low light benefits?
That is very complex question. It has better image quality, if that is what you are interested in.
No me esperaba ver Malaga
Solid
For me- personally - the S1 is too big + heavy (and expensive) and the biggest weakness is the (not hybrid-) autofocus in comparison to Sony for example. So in total it`s not my camera. The new Olympus 1 Mark III seems interesting - for me - because of all the features, that i really need. OK - smaller sensor, not cheap...but so many needful things as built in stabilisator/ND Filter, f r e e h a n d pixelshift to 50 MP , automatic starfocussing, stacking, art/scene filters and handling for instance. Therefore it is a matter of taste which company/model you like and need. IMPORTANT: how sympathic is one in use - next imagequality...
I agree, the S1 is a niche camera at the moment. The EM-1 Mark III is IMO by far the least interesting new camera in the last couple of years. There is just too much of outdated tech in in, including poor EVF and screen, no 10-bit video, no 4K 60p, UHS-I slot and so on. There is no built in filter in in, jut composite live view. At least there will be nice discounts soon.
Yes, you can think so. Good to hear - so it will be cheaper soon. Older technology (sensor) - ok. But two points: Sonys newer 6XXX models do have same older technics (= EVF, screen, average in datatransfer speed...) and second: the Mark III ist an ideal traveller outdoor camera with many features I like. Video I don`t use very often - more stills. So all depends on personal use
@WICKIE Yeah, it is just as bad with Sony, but 2020 release year makes it even more unacceptable on EM-1 III. EM-1 III is also high-end camera for Olympus. A6000 line are basically "beginners cameras" for Sony.
If you want a good value you can just get the G9 now, that is a better camera overall.
How's the moire in video? Have heard a couple of people mention it's really bad especially on materials like some shirts with straight lines
As I have said, I haven't noticed any issues.
Isnt there a VFR Mode on the s1? I want to upgrade from my g9, but wouldnt like to miss this feature
Both G9 and S1 have high speed video instead of variable frame rate which is reserved for more video oriented models.
Does the V-LOG update still cost extra? Or is that bundled for free with the latest firmware nowadays? I did find a few links to purchase the upgrade key but not on any European websites, only from Japan and B&H and it's common that firmware differ between regions so I'm hoping that someone has more knowledge about this.
Never mind, I found some stores in the EU that still sell this upgrade key. But I also realized that the price of S1H is very close to S1 with the upgrade key in many places. Especially second hand. And the complaint about it being large isn't a big deal for me as I'm used to Canon DSLRs like the 5D Mark 3.
Great video btw!
G9 user switching to l mount. How would the S1R compare in video quality? Aside from no vlog or 10bit.
I have never tested production S1R, and I haven't had a chance to make a comparison, so I can't really tell you.
I want to purchase my first camera as a film student and since I don't necessarily need 6k & 5.9k video, I was wondering if the S1 w/ Vlog update will be a good choice over the S1H? This will be used mostly for student films and photography
If you don't mind the size and expensive lenses, it is indeed very capable camera for both stills and video. S1H will give you more advanced option, but you can probably work without those.
@@TheHybridShooter I actually budgeted for my first lens to be the sigma 24-70mm and believe it will do a lot of the things that I need (as well as a few other small things) thank you for replying, I'll be investing in this system soon!
So as a Lumix G9 user (8-16 / 12-60 / 50-200 / 100-400 / 25 1.7 ) is it worth starting to move the L mount.. S1 + 24-105 / 70-200 / 16-35 F4. Weight is a big concern, along with concern over future of M43. Investing in 42.5 1.2 and 12 1.4 seems a little pointless when Sigma L mount's equivalent focal lengths are available and would offer more separation/bokeh. Any thoughts?
If the weight is a concern, the S1 is probably not for you. S5 is much smaller, but the L-mount zooms are quite big and heavy. I agree that investing in high-end M43 lenses is not a good idea at the moment.
@@TheHybridShooter Thanks for your thoughts. So logically then Fuji would be a sensible move from M43 with S1 weight being a concern. Wish Panasonic would release a G9 but with the FF sensor. S5 has no top display and EVF is low res. Maybe this year they will release a G10/S6 with EVF from S1, FF sensor and flippy screen. :)
@@andydean6781 That is a complicated topic, S1 is the closest thing to G9 with FF sensor, there always have to be compromises. Sony and Fuji are safer options than L-mount.
Hello my friend, can you please make a comparison between Leica SL2S and either S1 or S5..., thanks
Unfortunately not, I don’t use L-mount system.
Could i use Leica L mount lenses with this like the 14-24 2.8?
You can use any L-mount lens on the S1.
Great camera S1, but very bad autofocus for video travel reportage with gimbal. Its one reason to stop me of buying this camera (
It is ok for gimbal use with wide lenses. Only more difficult focus transitions are problematic.
Please, can you tell me how to set another aspect ratio than 16:9 for video on S1? I have aspect ratio options only for foto on my S1.. (1.7 firmware, no v-log)
I don't think that it is possible to do so.
@@TheHybridShooter but v-log will make it available?
@@costindan4714 I don't know, I don't own S1, so I can't tell you that at the moment.
If panasonic had sonys phase af, I would've jump ship already.
Damn it said posted 40 seconds ago! Honestly once they get more lenses it might be a better option at least for video.
Focal lengths are covered pretty well, but I miss smaller and lighter options.
@** I meant adapters so I can throw my nikkor glass, I only had the chance to try it with the f4 zoom showed in the video but as always I'd always skip first gen tech.
Those are already available from various brands.
@@TheHybridShooter *opens new tab*
You seem to have body update firmware 1.4 at 41 seconds I can't find this anywhere only 1.3 which is what I have. Also I do not have 10 bit 60 4k 4:2:0 is this part of 1.4. I know 4:2:2 60p 4k is hdmi only I'm just bit confused by all this is pansonic updating the s1 again?
FW 1.4 is available here: av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/index4.html There is no internal 4k 60p 10-bit, that is my mistake.
Is there a review of the 16-35 F4 upcoming? :)
I'm not sure at the moment. Viewers on this channel aren't very interested in L-mount stuff in general, so I will probably prioritize other reviews.
@@TheHybridShooter L mount is niche, but I'm sure many of us started watching your channel because of your Panasonic reviews 😊
@@vletrmx21 I am aware of that but it was mostly because of the M43, not the L-mount. I will definitely make a of M43 videos in the near future, I am not sure about the L-mount.
@@TheHybridShooter I use both M43 and L-mount, but more and more L-mount lately. Give us your opinion on the 16-35 F4 please!
Thanks a lot! My like is number 700 )
Thank you, I appreciate that!
I still haven't heard a coherent explanation from Panasonic for their avoidance of pdaf. It's probably the number one driver of lost sales for their whole camera business.
I have explained it here: ua-cam.com/video/g_bYhJ_z2I4/v-deo.html
How do you focus with the gimbal?
I use autofocus.
Any news on GH6?
I'm not allowed to talk about that, sorry.
So, we should hear something pretty soon. Hopefully before I buy an gh5...
I can’t confirm or deny that, I can just say that rumors sites are clueless at the moment when it comes to Panasonic releases. GH5 will be a valid option for a long time.
@@TheHybridShooter if you are referring to 40+mpix sensor, than I agree, I don't believe it's gonna happen. TOF rumor sounds nice but if I remember correctly some Pana representative said it's not coming in gh6.
I hope for gh5s low light and further improvement in AF with new processor. And maybe throw in 4k60 10bit internally and full vlog, and gh6 is a perfect camera IMHO
@@buby024 I'm referring to anything written in the last couple of months. Everything is just made up. If any of the rumors prove to be truth it will be purely by a chance.
Sounds a bit like a "good enough" expensive camera that doesn't make the increase of price compared to a less premium model :)
There aren't really any less premium models in this category.
@@TheHybridShooter Compared to a lesser category then.
Lol @ people how complain about camera weight. I'm so use to carrying around full rigs for over 15 hour work days filming boxing and events @MGM for the the last 14 years that these cameras feel like feathers.
Ok, duly noted.
@@TheHybridShooter And I'm pushing 50 which is sad.
I don't think that it is sad, 50 is still a good age nowadays.