I hope people wont be as weird as they were the first time she talked about this. Again Sayu has looked into MANY companies, even the well known ones everybody always pushes onto her. Hell even ones we DONT know about. So please let Sayu do her thing and explore possibilities. Support her and dont be a doomer about it saying *"This isnt a good idea. . ." * She is well researched and has experienced enough to be able to know what she's doing.
Isn't Metishon CEO the one who MOCKED Holo EN and ID? Try searching on google or reddit about it. "Metishon owner mock holo" Or something. I'm open to be proven wrong, so yeah. 👍😄
I'm sure sayu knows what she's doing and can take care of herself well enough. but who knows? we can only trust her judgement and hope for the best. but i don't think china is a red flag tho.
@@beexxxy if you though niji was bad, then you have seen nothing, China is the real hellhole for vtubers and yes I do trust her but these people are professional liars and deceivers so I hope this works out
I thought she almost signed a Chinese contract that she backed out of and a day later stuff came out that the people in charge were into some stuff. Or am I making stuff up?
Considering this is a company more similar in style to Mythic, which does not have any kind of managerial control over talent & Sayu is stressing that they will not have that kind of power over her, I'm less inclined to worry.
Yeah, she keeping her staff, her IP, site/merch control etc sounds like it's gonna be ok, even if things don't work out with the company it doesn't appear she is gonna lose or get burned or anything, hopefully everything works out tho.
I'm always very cautious with anything coming out of China, but this is Sayus decision and I trust her to make the right call after everything she's been through. Just really hope she doesn't get hurt again and can finally achieve her dreams, girl has been through enough. But the fact she can keep her IP, model, staff and so on does make me more optimistic, she has the final call on things.
I am rooting for Sayu, 100%. It really sounds like she has done her research and she is doing everything in her power to stay on top of things. If she isn't worried, I'm not going to be especially worried. I only hope she is simultaneously preparing for both the best and worst possible future scenarios, because in her own words, "things change, times change, people change, communities change." Change goes both ways. Nobody knows what will tomorrow will be like.
Holy shit that model looks cool Also signing up with a Chinese company... That's kinda risky... But if this company has the Yagoo seal of approval then hopefully the risks will be lessened.
Isn't Metishon CEO the one who MOCKED Holo EN and ID? Try searching on google or reddit about it. "Metishon owner mock holo" Or something. I'm open to be proven wrong, so yeah. 👍😄
She seemed to drop subtle hints that Phase couldn't offer a big enough contract for it to be worth what she'd give up as an indie. For as much as the audience here loves Phase, this wasn't the greatest year for them financially either (their JP branch has been a huge bust thus far, for ex.)
She had mentioned on a different stream that she wouldn't join Phase because she would have to sign her IP over. But Phase would absolutely be better for her than whatever this company is, answering to Sakana would be leagues better than hypothetically answering to the Chinese government. Now I've heard that NOA is like mythic where they control your merch and sponsors and let you do your thing, but knowing that the CCP might be holding a bat around the corner would make me not want anything to do with them or billibilli
@@timpointer6664True, she genuinely had her place reserved if she wanted to join but because she cares too much about her own work and IP she decided to not accept/go for that route... Which is sad since it means she's not confident with herself to risk joining a corpo where HER own actions could get her fired (basically like the cat from Phase), she could have seen Lumi as an example, Lumi was also an indie vtuber and then joined PC and now is very loved by everyone in the company and she also feel happy to have joined PC.
@@CallMeG99 Not at all. She knows how to act professional in that kind of environment and she's shown to be very good at staying tight lipped on important matters. If anything, the reason she didn't want to join Phase was because of losing her IP for little to no benefit. I know people love Phase and it's talents, but it is NOT a financially successful company. She would be doing the equivalent of selling all of her personal possession just to live in someone's basement. It's an outrageously horrible deal. Talents at Phase might be able to pay their own bills, but Sayu's career would be going nowhere if she joined up with them and she has bigger dreams to fulfill.
I'm inclined to trust Sayu's judgement on this one. She has a lot of experience in dealing with this stuff, and now she knows what she needs the company to have before even considering joining. Hopefully things work well and she gets a positive boost without annoying drama.
Wow, I love this design for Sayu, with the gas mask, the round light on her shoulder, and her WOLF EARS AGAIN??? Anyway, I hope things work out for her at this new company. I know a lot of people are skeptical, including me, but that's only because we want nothing but the best for Sayu.
Damn, as they say go big or go home!!! I hope Sayu will be treated well there and no shitty drama happens with her. Past isn't today, it shouldn't define us anymore!!! So GANBATTE!!!💙💙💙
EVEN IF she got burn again this time, i hope shes not being too hard on herself for her decision to joined. we dont know how bad a company until we get in work and see how they treat us after contract signed. the rumors did say this agency has some dark spots but do the managements are the same person who did those rumors? we dont know
Just have to say, all companies from that country have party ties. The party doesn't let anyone get big without being buddy buddy with them. I hope nothing bad happens.
I saw China in the comments and was instantly worried. Then she elaborated in this clip (I was likely asleep when she announced this). Now I’m worried much less. If she did her research, that’s more than enough assurance for me. Good luck, Sayu!
Im Not gonna lie. I have some very huge concerns regarding this company here. But at the same time, i hope she has amazing success with this, i just hope she doesn't endure the similar situation back with her previous life. Wish Sayu all the best ♥️ 🐀
She's not gonna be happy. The China market is eat her up. Hololive can handle it but they've been there before so they know what to expect and how to avoid it. Sayu is Indie so if shit happens She's gonna get ptsd.
Really hesitant about this company because the shady shit rumored about them... Hopefully she knows what she's doing, but I suppose we'll just have to trust for now.
no, this is not an Agency style company. Sayu is still an indie this is more like Mythic Talent where they basically handle Marketing & Sponsors for you. (that's why you see so many Vtubers get the same sponsors like Gamersups or Raid, or the Typocal Promo codes)
You can check their YT channel. They had many channels linked on their page in June but they were soon removed. These were listed together with Sayu as part of NOA RAEVEN PROJECT: KURO Rita Kamishiro (43k subs then, 45.1k now). BriAtCookiebox (18.4k back then, 62.6k now) - she vehemently denied any connection to NOA back then by the way. Sagisawa Ria (4k subs) NOA COVNANT SuRge (108K then, 107K now, seems to be involved in some scandal a year ago, inactive for 8+ months) MaNameBin (40.3k back then, 54.3k now, still listed on NOA page) and a whole bunch of channels with less than 1k subscribers They also had NOA affiliates, among them Azeru Official (421k subs then, 431k now). - now there's only some random Azeru channel with less than 1k subs on their page. EOIS - cute manager account I don't know if they have anyone big in China
i hope the best for Sayu & Holo with this company. At the very least we got a new Sayu outfit out of it so we're up to a great start hehehehe "Billy Billy"
"what's better in life is just for people to get along. I know a lot of people don't care to do that. A lot of people think it's a waste of time." This statement is extremely misrepresentative of the situation. That's not the case at all. People who are worried about cooperating with Chinese are people who DO want to get along. They don't consider it a waste of time. However they also know that Chinese side can't be trusted to uphold same values, they already proved it many times in the past. THAT is why. NOT because of reasons Sayu falsely portrayed. I'm not accusing Sayu of intentionally doing this, mind you, I think she simply didn't think her words through properly and was focused on calming down her viewers. Alas, this clarification was necessary, I feel.
Good to see her working with corpo again. The good thing is she bring her IP with her including her merch website as well. Congratulations Sayu, All the best for you! 👍🏻
Thanfully hololive bilibi stuff is completely unrelated to the talents that fortunately stream on YT Still I hope the best for her after what happened with Niji
Also consider that one of her best friends is in Hololive ... there is probably only a 0.001% chance they will be on screen together, but I take that chance
For those who don't know, it's Raora. She was formerly Yuniiho, a well-known illustrator and Vtuber in the scene, and is one of the few people who remained friends with Sayu before and after Niji and unilateraly supported her through her darkest times. She's a real one.
She was also the illustrator for Sayu's current model. They recently meet up while she was in Japan and Sayu got to show her the new outfits they made for her model for the upcoming debut which she was super excited to see!
I hope people wont be as weird as they were the first time she talked about this.
Again Sayu has looked into MANY companies, even the well known ones everybody always pushes onto her. Hell even ones we DONT know about.
So please let Sayu do her thing and explore possibilities. Support her and dont be a doomer about it saying *"This isnt a good idea. . ." *
She is well researched and has experienced enough to be able to know what she's doing.
Isn't Metishon CEO the one who MOCKED Holo EN and ID?
Try searching on google or reddit about it.
"Metishon owner mock holo" Or something.
I'm open to be proven wrong, so yeah. 👍😄
when I hear talent management and China it already sounds like red flags
I'm sure sayu knows what she's doing and can take care of herself well enough. but who knows? we can only trust her judgement and hope for the best.
but i don't think china is a red flag tho.
@@beexxxy if you though niji was bad, then you have seen nothing, China is the real hellhole for vtubers
and yes I do trust her but these people are professional liars and deceivers so I hope this works out
I thought she almost signed a Chinese contract that she backed out of and a day later stuff came out that the people in charge were into some stuff.
Or am I making stuff up?
@@janematthews9087I remember something vaguely like that so you're not imagining it. I just forgot the details
But she already mentioned its a BIG COMPANY that is NOT BROKE tho .. not all stuff from CHINA is a Red Flag .. come on now
Sayu, please dont get burned again.
She's going to, she's too desperate to be somewhere corporate....i hope it works, but if it doesn't it won't surprise anyone.
I trust she got everything checked with a lawyer
I really really really hope this ends up being a good thing and nothing bad comes out of it, Sayu has already suffered enough
That'll be it, if it does happen again & I really really really really really really hope it doesn't
Considering this is a company more similar in style to Mythic, which does not have any kind of managerial control over talent & Sayu is stressing that they will not have that kind of power over her, I'm less inclined to worry.
This, so much this, more support, but a better balance of power that doesn't end with Sayu getting hurt again.
Yeah, she keeping her staff, her IP, site/merch control etc sounds like it's gonna be ok, even if things don't work out with the company it doesn't appear she is gonna lose or get burned or anything, hopefully everything works out tho.
Hope the best for her!
I'm always very cautious with anything coming out of China, but this is Sayus decision and I trust her to make the right call after everything she's been through. Just really hope she doesn't get hurt again and can finally achieve her dreams, girl has been through enough. But the fact she can keep her IP, model, staff and so on does make me more optimistic, she has the final call on things.
I am rooting for Sayu, 100%. It really sounds like she has done her research and she is doing everything in her power to stay on top of things. If she isn't worried, I'm not going to be especially worried. I only hope she is simultaneously preparing for both the best and worst possible future scenarios, because in her own words, "things change, times change, people change, communities change." Change goes both ways. Nobody knows what will tomorrow will be like.
Holy shit that model looks cool
Also signing up with a Chinese company... That's kinda risky... But if this company has the Yagoo seal of approval then hopefully the risks will be lessened.
Isn't Metishon CEO the one who MOCKED Holo EN and ID?
Try searching on google or reddit about it.
"Metishon owner mock holo" Or something.
I'm open to be proven wrong, so yeah. 👍😄
I was hoping she'd join Phase, but I wish her the best with this one she's with.
She seemed to drop subtle hints that Phase couldn't offer a big enough contract for it to be worth what she'd give up as an indie. For as much as the audience here loves Phase, this wasn't the greatest year for them financially either (their JP branch has been a huge bust thus far, for ex.)
She had mentioned on a different stream that she wouldn't join Phase because she would have to sign her IP over. But Phase would absolutely be better for her than whatever this company is, answering to Sakana would be leagues better than hypothetically answering to the Chinese government. Now I've heard that NOA is like mythic where they control your merch and sponsors and let you do your thing, but knowing that the CCP might be holding a bat around the corner would make me not want anything to do with them or billibilli
@@joshthefunkdoc oof... now that makes sense. Sadly true about the JP branch.
@@timpointer6664True, she genuinely had her place reserved if she wanted to join but because she cares too much about her own work and IP she decided to not accept/go for that route... Which is sad since it means she's not confident with herself to risk joining a corpo where HER own actions could get her fired (basically like the cat from Phase), she could have seen Lumi as an example, Lumi was also an indie vtuber and then joined PC and now is very loved by everyone in the company and she also feel happy to have joined PC.
@@CallMeG99 Not at all. She knows how to act professional in that kind of environment and she's shown to be very good at staying tight lipped on important matters. If anything, the reason she didn't want to join Phase was because of losing her IP for little to no benefit. I know people love Phase and it's talents, but it is NOT a financially successful company. She would be doing the equivalent of selling all of her personal possession just to live in someone's basement. It's an outrageously horrible deal. Talents at Phase might be able to pay their own bills, but Sayu's career would be going nowhere if she joined up with them and she has bigger dreams to fulfill.
Show me one chinese vtuning agency that doesnt treat talents like trash
I have my doubts really hope she doesn't get burned by this
I have bad feelings about the corp, but trust that she knows what she is doing.
Sayu is experienced enough that she's probably aware of the risk. And she knows when to abandon ship if the wind changes directions.
I'm inclined to trust Sayu's judgement on this one. She has a lot of experience in dealing with this stuff, and now she knows what she needs the company to have before even considering joining.
Hopefully things work well and she gets a positive boost without annoying drama.
Wow, I love this design for Sayu, with the gas mask, the round light on her shoulder, and her WOLF EARS AGAIN???
Anyway, I hope things work out for her at this new company. I know a lot of people are skeptical, including me, but that's only because we want nothing but the best for Sayu.
@@colBoh they are cat ears. She does an uwu voice and cat ears when she hits daily stream goals.
Damn, as they say go big or go home!!! I hope Sayu will be treated well there and no shitty drama happens with her. Past isn't today, it shouldn't define us anymore!!! So GANBATTE!!!💙💙💙
EVEN IF she got burn again this time, i hope shes not being too hard on herself for her decision to joined. we dont know how bad a company until we get in work and see how they treat us after contract signed. the rumors did say this agency has some dark spots but do the managements are the same person who did those rumors? we dont know
Just have to say, all companies from that country have party ties. The party doesn't let anyone get big without being buddy buddy with them. I hope nothing bad happens.
I don't like it, but if she's sure about it then who am I to argue? I just hope she doesn't end up regretting this.
Taiwan perms revoked. 😵
Jokes aside, I hope she does well, BUT when China is involved is like walk on thin ice while watch your back.
Just remember the bar that the group she's working with now has to clear is like...really REALLY low compared to *[gestures wildly]*
she really deserves the best after she has a rough time in kurosanji (and suffered more by having niji fans attack her)
billy billy? you mean Bilibili small correction there at 3:58
Probably missed it there but got it elsewhere. Thanks o7
Good luck and all the best to Sayu ! Hoping for the upward spiral of their success to keep going!!
Cautiously optimistic I guess would be how i describe my feelings about this...
I saw China in the comments and was instantly worried. Then she elaborated in this clip (I was likely asleep when she announced this). Now I’m worried much less. If she did her research, that’s more than enough assurance for me. Good luck, Sayu!
I'm going to support Sayu all the way!
She could collab with Kobo... kinda worried, but should be fine, i've guess.
Im Not gonna lie. I have some very huge concerns regarding this company here. But at the same time, i hope she has amazing success with this, i just hope she doesn't endure the similar situation back with her previous life. Wish Sayu all the best ♥️ 🐀
She's not gonna be happy. The China market is eat her up. Hololive can handle it but they've been there before so they know what to expect and how to avoid it. Sayu is Indie so if shit happens She's gonna get ptsd.
times change, people change, communities change... lol, something doesn't change
good luck to her, either way, I guess? let's hope she doesn't need it
Really hesitant about this company because the shady shit rumored about them... Hopefully she knows what she's doing, but I suppose we'll just have to trust for now.
I'm interested in the BGM that's playing
@@redacted8983 it’s commissioned work I believe. I think she has it on her main channel
You got the bag but at what cost...?
I mean it's china we are talking about, it's like walking between a thread.
I really hope the best for her.
I'm happy for Miss Sayu
So... no Phase Connect
Shame, but good for her to find a company where she can grow and be confortable.
no, this is not an Agency style company. Sayu is still an indie
this is more like Mythic Talent where they basically handle Marketing & Sponsors for you.
(that's why you see so many Vtubers get the same sponsors like Gamersups or Raid, or the Typocal Promo codes)
Happy for you
Any well known vtubers from this company?
You can check their YT channel.
They had many channels linked on their page in June but they were soon removed.
These were listed together with Sayu as part of NOA RAEVEN PROJECT: KURO
Rita Kamishiro (43k subs then, 45.1k now).
BriAtCookiebox (18.4k back then, 62.6k now) - she vehemently denied any connection to NOA back then by the way.
Sagisawa Ria (4k subs)
NOA COVNANT
SuRge (108K then, 107K now, seems to be involved in some scandal a year ago, inactive for 8+ months)
MaNameBin (40.3k back then, 54.3k now, still listed on NOA page)
and a whole bunch of channels with less than 1k subscribers
They also had NOA affiliates, among them
Azeru Official (421k subs then, 431k now). - now there's only some random Azeru channel with less than 1k subs on their page.
EOIS - cute manager account
I don't know if they have anyone big in China
Wishing all the best for her!
Good for her. I hope the best for her.
Wishing Sayu the best! 💙💙💙
Im happy for her, still wish she stayed indie yet I'll continue to support her along the way.
i hope the best for Sayu & Holo with this company. At the very least we got a new Sayu outfit out of it so we're up to a great start
hehehehe "Billy Billy"
Well, hopefully Sayu knows what she's doing.
this probably took a l lot of thought... i hope nothing goes wrong for her.
Its Hololive CN that disband after so many issue ? ? I hope she won't stream in Bilibili, that flatform have new policy about private information.
....I can feel the red flags
Well, I hope she doesnt get burned again...
Why China... good luck Sayu but WHY FREAKING CHINA?? becoming a CCP slave is a wrong move!
@@NyanEditzz in excange of freedom, what is the use of money i you can not use it witout your CCP masters concent to use it..
china vtubing company?
"what's better in life is just for people to get along. I know a lot of people don't care to do that. A lot of people think it's a waste of time."
This statement is extremely misrepresentative of the situation. That's not the case at all.
People who are worried about cooperating with Chinese are people who DO want to get along. They don't consider it a waste of time. However they also know that Chinese side can't be trusted to uphold same values, they already proved it many times in the past. THAT is why. NOT because of reasons Sayu falsely portrayed.
I'm not accusing Sayu of intentionally doing this, mind you, I think she simply didn't think her words through properly and was focused on calming down her viewers. Alas, this clarification was necessary, I feel.
Good to see her working with corpo again. The good thing is she bring her IP with her including her merch website as well. Congratulations Sayu, All the best for you! 👍🏻
Thanfully hololive bilibi stuff is completely unrelated to the talents that fortunately stream on YT
Still I hope the best for her after what happened with Niji
Also consider that one of her best friends is in Hololive ... there is probably only a 0.001% chance they will be on screen together, but I take that chance
Who?
Who?
For those who don't know, it's Raora. She was formerly Yuniiho, a well-known illustrator and Vtuber in the scene, and is one of the few people who remained friends with Sayu before and after Niji and unilateraly supported her through her darkest times. She's a real one.
@@BlaZay thanks for the lore, this was nice to know
She was also the illustrator for Sayu's current model. They recently meet up while she was in Japan and Sayu got to show her the new outfits they made for her model for the upcoming debut which she was super excited to see!
I wish you good luck coz you gonna need that 😂
hololives chinese istn hololivecn cuznshe talks only about the billibilli accounts. hololivecn doesnt exist anymore
Hololive talent can stream on bilibili if they want, i havent looked too deeply into it myself but kobo has already done it.
@@Arishmael yes they can but that doesnt make em Hololive CN as the subtitles stated
I trust my oshi. If you don't trust Sayu even after all the reassurance then think about where your loyalties lie