This is proper UA-cam. Having the missus film you while you rant on about a bolt that pi** ed you off and cost a load of money. I loved it. No adverts, no music, proper UA-cam. First video I’ve watched start to finish for years. Cheers, keep riding and spannering, top man
Thanks, man. I just bought one only got 9,000 on it so far luckily and just ran across this issue mentioned on a forum. Thanks for explaining it thoroughly. I'm due for my chassis bolt check and going to replace that at the same time.
I came across your video because I'm doing so research on these bikes, tomorrow I'm going to look at one that i want to buy, glad to see this, and thanks for sharing this.
Great video Bob, it was the first thing I did when I bought mine. Thar was 3 years ago, and 3000 miles, I don't go far, but you are so right, it's not mentioned in the suzuki service schedule, I'd ring Suzuki and ask some questions, see I'd you can hget a refund.
Thanks for the tip ..I went down to my local suzuki dealer and ordered 3 spares ..should be here next week .. My first Burgman 650 had similar symptoms to what you described ..because nobody could diagnose the problem ..I traded it in for a GS500F ..lucky escape I think.. I have decided to keep my 2nd Burgman and service it myself ..I enjoy your channel ..lits of good advice and help. Cheers from Melbourne.
I'll do a couple more this year, I've been stuck working on my daughters house for months so haven't had the time to do anything bikewise for months,we did less than 500 miles on the Burgman last year but we'll be making up for that this year.
I’ve gotten one of these just today, done the deed. I’ve been riding since 1976 and have always had some form of two wheels since. Obviously cost has played a role and when our children were growing up basic transportation ruled. Believe me I’ve had some ropey stuff. But I’m 63 now and have been getting so bad with pain, I’ve had major back surgery and now my knees are shot. Just last week I’ve let my suzuki bandit 2250 go as I cannot even mount it. So in desperation I asked my lovely wife if I could have one last spell of riding. So only today, after doing obviously rubbish research I’ve found these videos which quite frankly have me putting my head in my hands. I can’t work on these as they appear. It’s a mess of electronics, trash! Oh Lord help me, I can’t afford massive bills nor do the servicing I would have one time done. Boy do I feel low
Don't despair, how many miles has the bike done? I've found there are three possible problems,the stop bolt can be replaced in a few minutes and only costs a tenner,the other two problems may or may not arise,the stand switch is again an easy job and all it requires if it's working is to spray it with wd40 or similar every few months or maybe spray grease to keep water out. The pulley position sensor is a bit less accessible but not much more, certainly less than an hour, cost of a brand new switch from Suzuki is around £200.
I’m sorry for the super late response, I’ve not received any notification I had a reply. I’m now 1 year into ownership, yes I’ve replaced the bolt and will never forget to do so again. Unfortunately for me spells in hospital and general bad pain have kept my riding low but when I do get out it’s fantastic, for me a reverse gear like the gold wing has would be a boon, that’s only because of my issues. I pray that I’m allowed to keep plugging away with the odd ride it does so much for my general mood. God Bless Bro.
Hi Bob, sorry to hear of your pain. Thank you for sharing the learnings. Q. Is the bolt replacement as straightforward as screw out the old and screw in the new? or is there some other preparation work required? Thanks in advance
Yes it's that simple, a 14mm af socket, the only important thing to know is that you must not move or start the bike with the bolt out. I recommend torqueing the new bolt up to 30lb/ft, it's M10 in aluminium so I wouldn't go any tighter,
Yes it's simple, you don't need to take any bodywork off,put the bike on the centrestand ,look underneath the bike on the right hand side and you will see the head of the stopbolt,use a 3/8" drive ratchet and a 14mm a/f socket,undo it then fit the replacement,it's as easy as that. Make sure it's torqued up to around 30lb/ft and you'll be good for 20+thousand miles.
@@bobmonkhouse50thank you both for making such a helpful video. Thank you for your clear and accurate explanation. And thank you to the lady doing the excellent camera work, keeping everything in focus. So nice to see 2 dogs keeping you company as you work on your bikes.
Thanks so much for the info, so sorry it’s cost you a fortune. I’m brand new to the 650 Burgman and having to learn so much. Will follow your channel sure I will learn loads of tips. After years of Pan Europeans this Burgman is a revelation . Thanks again 👍
Thanks, I don't know if I'll be posting anything more about Burgmans, I bought it so my wife and I could just put petrol in it and ride it, it's much more comfortable than the last two bikes we've had, a VFR800 and a VTR1000 Firestorm but riding a sports bike with one's knees under one's armpits isn't too comfortable when you're in your sixties so we decided on the Burgman. If it wasn't for the gear/ratio problems we would still just be putting petrol in and riding it and occasionally servicing it. I don't think there are any other problems with them other than the stop bolt so hopefully I won't need to do any more videos. Now I can get back on with the Lambretta stuff I haven't been able to do for the last 3 weeks. Keep up with the servicing on yours and change the bolt every couple of years or so and you shouldn't have any problems. Also sign up for the Burgman USA forum, the one in the UK appears to be defunct. Regards, Bob.
@@bobmonkhouse50 Hi , sorry to hear you might not be doing any more Burgman updates but good luck with your new projects . Ride safe and thanks again for the video .
It's a good bike and easy and comfortable to ride, so far I believe this stopbolt problem is really the only weak spot so change it and obviously maintain the bike as you would any other and it should be good for many years.
Good,I'm pleased I've been able to help Burgman owners,my apologies to everyone, I've been mown out with work over the last 12 months and haven't had the time to post any more videos nor have we ridden the bike much,hopefully that's going to change as I have now decided to retire to concentrate on the Lambrettas I have.
No, I estimate the safe life of the stop bolt to be 20-25,000 miles. Maybe replace it before then but it's not a big job to take it out and check it,at 9000 miles it should be good for another 10,000. It might be worth Burgman owners to check it when they change the engine oil,its even easier to remove than the drain plug.
I would thought the answer would be to buy a normal longer bolt and use a lathe to take the thread off the end. That would give you the ideal fit. Am I missing something?
Yes but if its something you don't know about to start with then it isn't something anyone would think of doing, I tend to think that the designer of anything knows more than I do so they know better than me. However ....... ,I have thought about using a capscrew and machining a spigot on the end which would then go into the primary pulley deeper than the original Suzuki item ,however that all depends on how much extra it would go in without causing any damage. I've been too busy of late machining barrels,liners etc for the Lambretta engines I build to get the chance to have a look at the old cvt,all I've done so far is take the old primary pulley out of the bag it's in and ponder how it comes apart. I had the bright idea of drilling the hole for the stop bolt 180 degrees from the original worn one and making it deeper,then I can see how long I need to machine a capscrew as the new stopbolt but that is far as I've got. I could repair it without stripping it but the steel sleeve is worn which would rattle when in operation. This wouldn't stop the cvt from working but it is annoying. At the moment all this is irrelevant as all I want to do at the moment is ride the bike,repairing the original cvt is something I intend to do but only to see if it can be done which might then save other owners the cost of the new replacement parts.
Bob..... What actually is the purpose of this bolt? I wonder why the tip isn't hardened? Is this the same bolt for the 650 executive 2015 would you know? Good video BTW 👍
Yes,I believe its identical in all 650 models, it is heat treated ,probably a carbon steel bolt as opposed to an alloy steel like that seen in capscrews. The problem to me is that the spigot on the end of the bolt only protrudes into the pulley 2mm,if it went in the full depth then I don't think this problem would arise.
Bob. Can you help me? In Blackburn. Battery not charging , but I can't find the rectifier. All the front is off, but only back box I can find us 5x4x1 "black box under bottom edge of screen . Also what is that white plastic box with the rubber bung for (next to the oil filler cap) Pete 56 An650
You might want to mention what year your 650 is. Mine is a 2011 and I believe they use a slightly upgraded and longer one for 2011-18. New bolt # 21748-10G20 because a bit longer.
Mines a 2009, I did one which was a 2013 and the bolts were identical on both models, the shank on the end of the bolt could do with being maybe 2mm longer as it only locates into the pulley by 2mm. At the moment all I want to do with mine is ride it,I had too many weeks last year wanting to set fire to it.
@@bobmonkhouse50 hahaha yes I love riding mine! I just had a 2 year old battery go dead on it. I have heated grips and a powerful stereo that puts a drain on the batteries. Fortunately for Amazon I got a new one the next day! I bought a 4 year warranty also for 6.99. That will be a lot cheaper than buying a whole new battery. Well good luck and enjoy riding!!
Hello ! I recently got a burgman AN 650 model 2009 with 40,000 miles on it, but I don't know its history. Does this model have this screw and if so could I build it on a lathe? Thank you in advance!
Hello, I have a suzuki burgman650. While driving, it suddenly stopped and the image on the LCD screen disappeared. the starter motor turns, but the engine does not start. Guess what the problem might be, greetings.
I'm not sure,first thing to do is check the fuses, have a look underneath the seat,take the battery cover off and look there,then look to the left of the dash below the glove box,pull the panel off and check the fuses there. Failing that you're going to have to pull the dash/binnacle and check the idiot plugs.
Hi! Tell me. Does the cvt move when the bike is stopped on idle? Mine is making a noise that sounds like a metalic something that rattles even when is stand still. Can you advice me?
Hola amigo que estés bien en fam, amigo tengo una moto Burgman 650, año:2003, mi pregunta es: Cuántos "SELLOS DE VÁLVULA" lleva cada Válvula, ya que la tengo reparando y el Mecánico me pide que le lleve 7 Sellos me parece que son Demasiados si no me equivoco, espero su pronta respuesta muchas gracias, saludos cordiales desde "COSTA🇨🇷RICA".👍
No,the 400 is completely different, it's the usual variator on the 400,the belt should be about fifty quid and is much easier to change. My apologies for the delay in replying, comments aren't coming up in my email account for some reason.
@izbitenfeljen yes it does,the stop bolt isn't expensive, my advice would be to replace it as soon as possible, they are OK for 25,000 miles but should be replaced over that mileage. It's easily replaced and no bodywork needs removing to do the job. A 14mm socket and ratchet is all that is required, remove the old bolt and replace with a new one,do not turn the engine over when the old bolt is removed.
It stops one side of the primary pulley from routing so that the screw inside the pulley can operate to change ratios,if the blot breaks the pulley won't contract or expand and the bike is stuck in the lowest ratio,ie first gear.
So because of 1 bolt the whole engine is broken down and cost you dearly. Sorry to hear that. But a warning for me because I am looking into buying a maxi scooter. I am not as handy as you are nore have the place to open up a scooter, so the Suzuki is of my list.
Don't let me put you off the 650 Burgman,it's a pleasure to ride and a good tourer, no gear changes and the seats are like sitting on a sofa so perfect for long distances. Look for a low mileage bike and make sure you change the stopbolt at around 20k.
Sir, I've owned about 4 Burgmans and NEVER had an issue. I believe if you simply change that damn bolt at every oil change, you'll years of enjoyment. I had a Honda Silverwing, which was wonderful, BUT, I really missed the comfort of the Burgman. :)
This is proper UA-cam. Having the missus film you while you rant on about a bolt that pi** ed you off and cost a load of money. I loved it. No adverts, no music, proper UA-cam. First video I’ve watched start to finish for years. Cheers, keep riding and spannering, top man
😂😂😂😂. Ps ,I wouldn't know how to put music and special effects on anyway, I'm an engineer who only deals in mechanical things.😂😂😂😂
Thanks, man. I just bought one only got 9,000 on it so far luckily and just ran across this issue mentioned on a forum. Thanks for explaining it thoroughly. I'm due for my chassis bolt check and going to replace that at the same time.
You deserve a medal for sharing with us. You are riding your motorcycle again.
Great video my 2017 650 Bergman has just ceased up on Road £2500 to put it Right more than the bikes worth!!!
I Appreciate you making this video and Appreciate the patients of camera lady
I came across your video because I'm doing so research on these bikes, tomorrow I'm going to look at one that i want to buy, glad to see this, and thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for the important information. You have probably saved a lot of money from many people
Thanks for the heads up ol lad, I’ve just ordered one from good ol Fowlers.
Great video Bob, it was the first thing I did when I bought mine. Thar was 3 years ago, and 3000 miles, I don't go far, but you are so right, it's not mentioned in the suzuki service schedule, I'd ring Suzuki and ask some questions, see I'd you can hget a refund.
Thanks for the tip ..I went down to my local suzuki dealer and ordered 3 spares ..should be here next week .. My first Burgman 650 had similar symptoms to what you described ..because nobody could diagnose the problem ..I traded it in for a GS500F ..lucky escape I think.. I have decided to keep my 2nd Burgman and service it myself ..I enjoy your channel ..lits of good advice and help.
Cheers from Melbourne.
I'll do a couple more this year, I've been stuck working on my daughters house for months so haven't had the time to do anything bikewise for months,we did less than 500 miles on the Burgman last year but we'll be making up for that this year.
I’ve gotten one of these just today, done the deed. I’ve been riding since 1976 and have always had some form of two wheels since. Obviously cost has played a role and when our children were growing up basic transportation ruled. Believe me I’ve had some ropey stuff. But I’m 63 now and have been getting so bad with pain, I’ve had major back surgery and now my knees are shot. Just last week I’ve let my suzuki bandit 2250 go as I cannot even mount it. So in desperation I asked my lovely wife if I could have one last spell of riding. So only today, after doing obviously rubbish research I’ve found these videos which quite frankly have me putting my head in my hands. I can’t work on these as they appear. It’s a mess of electronics, trash! Oh Lord help me, I can’t afford massive bills nor do the servicing I would have one time done. Boy do I feel low
Don't despair, how many miles has the bike done? I've found there are three possible problems,the stop bolt can be replaced in a few minutes and only costs a tenner,the other two problems may or may not arise,the stand switch is again an easy job and all it requires if it's working is to spray it with wd40 or similar every few months or maybe spray grease to keep water out. The pulley position sensor is a bit less accessible but not much more, certainly less than an hour, cost of a brand new switch from Suzuki is around £200.
I’m sorry for the super late response, I’ve not received any notification I had a reply. I’m now 1 year into ownership, yes I’ve replaced the bolt and will never forget to do so again. Unfortunately for me spells in hospital and general bad pain have kept my riding low but when I do get out it’s fantastic, for me a reverse gear like the gold wing has would be a boon, that’s only because of my issues.
I pray that I’m allowed to keep plugging away with the odd ride it does so much for my general mood. God Bless Bro.
Oh I forgot to say it’s done 23 thousand but it has a full main dealer service record for what that’s worth, with all receipts
Thank's mate for sharing this i gone get one as soon as passible
Hi Bob, sorry to hear of your pain. Thank you for sharing the learnings. Q. Is the bolt replacement as straightforward as screw out the old and screw in the new? or is there some other preparation work required? Thanks in advance
Yes it's that simple, a 14mm af socket, the only important thing to know is that you must not move or start the bike with the bolt out. I recommend torqueing the new bolt up to 30lb/ft, it's M10 in aluminium so I wouldn't go any tighter,
Yes it's simple, you don't need to take any bodywork off,put the bike on the centrestand ,look underneath the bike on the right hand side and you will see the head of the stopbolt,use a 3/8" drive ratchet and a 14mm a/f socket,undo it then fit the replacement,it's as easy as that. Make sure it's torqued up to around 30lb/ft and you'll be good for 20+thousand miles.
@@bobmonkhouse50thank you both for making such a helpful video. Thank you for your clear and accurate explanation. And thank you to the lady doing the excellent camera work, keeping everything in focus.
So nice to see 2 dogs keeping you company as you work on your bikes.
Thanks so much for the info, so sorry it’s cost you a fortune. I’m brand new to the 650 Burgman and having to learn so much. Will follow your channel sure I will learn loads of tips. After years of Pan Europeans this Burgman is a revelation . Thanks again 👍
Thanks, I don't know if I'll be posting anything more about Burgmans, I bought it so my wife and I could just put petrol in it and ride it, it's much more comfortable than the last two bikes we've had, a VFR800 and a VTR1000 Firestorm but riding a sports bike with one's knees under one's armpits isn't too comfortable when you're in your sixties so we decided on the Burgman. If it wasn't for the gear/ratio problems we would still just be putting petrol in and riding it and occasionally servicing it. I don't think there are any other problems with them other than the stop bolt so hopefully I won't need to do any more videos. Now I can get back on with the Lambretta stuff I haven't been able to do for the last 3 weeks. Keep up with the servicing on yours and change the bolt every couple of years or so and you shouldn't have any problems. Also sign up for the Burgman USA forum, the one in the UK appears to be defunct. Regards, Bob.
@@bobmonkhouse50 Hi , sorry to hear you might not be doing any more Burgman updates but good luck with your new projects . Ride safe and thanks again for the video .
It's a good bike and easy and comfortable to ride, so far I believe this stopbolt problem is really the only weak spot so change it and obviously maintain the bike as you would any other and it should be good for many years.
Love your work BoB
Changed on mine as soon as 9 bought it
Good,I'm pleased I've been able to help Burgman owners,my apologies to everyone, I've been mown out with work over the last 12 months and haven't had the time to post any more videos nor have we ridden the bike much,hopefully that's going to change as I have now decided to retire to concentrate on the Lambrettas I have.
Hi, I have just baught an 2015 burgman 650 with 9000 miles on it. Your videos very informative. Should I have this replaced in my bike
Cheers, bob
No, I estimate the safe life of the stop bolt to be 20-25,000 miles. Maybe replace it before then but it's not a big job to take it out and check it,at 9000 miles it should be good for another 10,000. It might be worth Burgman owners to check it when they change the engine oil,its even easier to remove than the drain plug.
I would thought the answer would be to buy a normal longer bolt and use a lathe to take the thread off the end. That would give you the ideal fit. Am I missing something?
Yes but if its something you don't know about to start with then it isn't something anyone would think of doing, I tend to think that the designer of anything knows more than I do so they know better than me. However ....... ,I have thought about using a capscrew and machining a spigot on the end which would then go into the primary pulley deeper than the original Suzuki item ,however that all depends on how much extra it would go in without causing any damage. I've been too busy of late machining barrels,liners etc for the Lambretta engines I build to get the chance to have a look at the old cvt,all I've done so far is take the old primary pulley out of the bag it's in and ponder how it comes apart. I had the bright idea of drilling the hole for the stop bolt 180 degrees from the original worn one and making it deeper,then I can see how long I need to machine a capscrew as the new stopbolt but that is far as I've got. I could repair it without stripping it but the steel sleeve is worn which would rattle when in operation. This wouldn't stop the cvt from working but it is annoying. At the moment all this is irrelevant as all I want to do at the moment is ride the bike,repairing the original cvt is something I intend to do but only to see if it can be done which might then save other owners the cost of the new replacement parts.
Bob..... What actually is the purpose of this bolt? I wonder why the tip isn't hardened? Is this the same bolt for the 650 executive 2015 would you know?
Good video BTW 👍
I'll get back to you tomorrow or Monday, I'm racing at the moment
Yes,I believe its identical in all 650 models, it is heat treated ,probably a carbon steel bolt as opposed to an alloy steel like that seen in capscrews. The problem to me is that the spigot on the end of the bolt only protrudes into the pulley 2mm,if it went in the full depth then I don't think this problem would arise.
Bob. Can you help me?
In Blackburn. Battery not charging , but I can't find the rectifier. All the front is off, but only back box I can find us 5x4x1 "black box under bottom edge of screen . Also what is that white plastic box with the rubber bung for (next to the oil filler cap)
Pete 56 An650
You might want to mention what year your 650 is. Mine is a 2011 and I believe they use a slightly upgraded and longer one for 2011-18. New bolt # 21748-10G20 because a bit longer.
Mines a 2009, I did one which was a 2013 and the bolts were identical on both models, the shank on the end of the bolt could do with being maybe 2mm longer as it only locates into the pulley by 2mm. At the moment all I want to do with mine is ride it,I had too many weeks last year wanting to set fire to it.
@@bobmonkhouse50 hahaha yes I love riding mine! I just had a 2 year old battery go dead on it. I have heated grips and a powerful stereo that puts a drain on the batteries. Fortunately for Amazon I got a new one the next day! I bought a 4 year warranty also for 6.99. That will be a lot cheaper than buying a whole new battery. Well good luck and enjoy riding!!
Hello ! I recently got a burgman AN 650 model 2009 with 40,000 miles on it, but I don't know its history. Does this model have this screw and if so could I build it on a lathe? Thank you in advance!
Just buy one from Suzuki,Primary pulley stop bolt, it's a tenner and if you don't replace it soon then it will wreck the engine
Hello, I have a suzuki burgman650. While driving, it suddenly stopped and the image on the LCD screen disappeared. the starter motor turns, but the engine does not start. Guess what the problem might be, greetings.
I'm not sure,first thing to do is check the fuses, have a look underneath the seat,take the battery cover off and look there,then look to the left of the dash below the glove box,pull the panel off and check the fuses there. Failing that you're going to have to pull the dash/binnacle and check the idiot plugs.
I didin read all comments before, i removed bolt an i moved bike, what now? Thanks
Hi! Tell me. Does the cvt move when the bike is stopped on idle? Mine is making a noise that sounds like a metalic something that rattles even when is stand still. Can you advice me?
Hola amigo que estés bien en fam, amigo tengo una moto Burgman 650, año:2003, mi pregunta es: Cuántos "SELLOS DE VÁLVULA" lleva cada Válvula, ya que la tengo reparando y el Mecánico me pide que le lleve 7 Sellos me parece que son Demasiados si no me equivoco, espero su pronta respuesta muchas gracias, saludos cordiales desde "COSTA🇨🇷RICA".👍
Hi bob, please I’ll be needing some parts in the cvt how can I get through to you
What do you want to know? I'll help if I can but as I say I'm not an expert on these things.
Bob, would this also apply to Burgman 400's? More specifically a 2018?!?!?... I think they are also CVT.
No,the 400 is completely different, it's the usual variator on the 400,the belt should be about fifty quid and is much easier to change. My apologies for the delay in replying, comments aren't coming up in my email account for some reason.
@@bobmonkhouse50 No not at all, I am grateful for this answer, very valuable information!!!
hellon all i have 2016 burgman 650. doest that apply for this year also? thanks in advance.
@izbitenfeljen yes it does,the stop bolt isn't expensive, my advice would be to replace it as soon as possible, they are OK for 25,000 miles but should be replaced over that mileage. It's easily replaced and no bodywork needs removing to do the job. A 14mm socket and ratchet is all that is required, remove the old bolt and replace with a new one,do not turn the engine over when the old bolt is removed.
@@bobmonkhouse50 thank you so much, one more question is it the same as 2012-13-16 model ?
I'm not absolutely sure but I'm sure the stop bolt will be the same,it's not expensive but give the chassis/frame number when you order the part
@@bobmonkhouse50thank you so much i really appreciate it. Have a wonderful day.
I still don't understand what's that bolt?
It stops one side of the primary pulley from routing so that the screw inside the pulley can operate to change ratios,if the blot breaks the pulley won't contract or expand and the bike is stuck in the lowest ratio,ie first gear.
2012 Suzuki burgman 650 stack in 2 with no code any suggestions?
Sorry no,I've not had any issues with electronics on the bike so unfortunately can't help.
So because of 1 bolt the whole engine is broken down and cost you dearly. Sorry to hear that. But a warning for me because I am looking into buying a maxi scooter. I am not as handy as you are nore have the place to open up a scooter, so the Suzuki is of my list.
Don't let me put you off the 650 Burgman,it's a pleasure to ride and a good tourer, no gear changes and the seats are like sitting on a sofa so perfect for long distances. Look for a low mileage bike and make sure you change the stopbolt at around 20k.
@@bobmonkhouse50 I'm looking at a Burgman 650, BMW c650gt or Kymco AK550. Have to testride all 3 of them.
Sir, I've owned about 4 Burgmans and NEVER had an issue. I believe if you simply change that damn bolt at every oil change, you'll years of enjoyment. I had a Honda Silverwing, which was wonderful, BUT, I really missed the comfort of the Burgman. :)
I don't trust people who don't understand what's the best recording position.
car,s,and bikes of today are such a hazel,with all the electronics,,and aids,thank God for suzuki gt 750,s .😂