If you think of formality as a binary (Either formal or not), then jeans are NOT formal. If, however, you think of formality as a spectrum, then jeans have moved up the formality scale. Definitely business casual, possibly business attire depending on context (industry, age, location, etc.) and quality of jeans (wash, distress level)
@@TheSultan1470 Being once a garment for labor is no logical point at all to disgard it from the formal spectre. Some types of jeans are considered business casual these days.
@@kidaria1333 some jeans are considered business casual nowadays because most people don’t want to dress good or classy it’s now rather a race to which clothes get you out of the door faster. Just because more people are lazy nowadays still doesn’t make it formal
Modern day - if you tuck in your shirt it is considered formal. - if it is long sleeve, it is formal -if it has a collar, it is formal -pants are irrelevant to scale of formality - shoes are irrelevant as long as they're clean I hate that it has gotten to this.
The whole modern formality scale is definitely something weird to me. I've been told I dress too formal to school, when all I wear is usually a short sleeve button up, polo, or flannel for my shirt, and then slacks or jeans for my pants. I see what I wear as super casual.
Someone once asked me why I was "dressing up" when I wore a casual button down and khakies. In today's world, anything more than jeans and a t-shirt, and people think you must be "dressing up" for something.
As a teenager with a very, very low budget, my daily attire often consists of jeans, with a button up shirt and flat cap. I often try to keep the colors consistent, which is fairly easy because I wear a lot of blues.
I considered ranting about the notion that jeans are not formal attire. But then I remembered that last July I attended a wedding. I wore an off-white linen sport coat, a yellow straight-collar shirt, and black jeans, and a Panama hat. I got several compliments. Times change. Being old does not mean I can't still have style within current norms. Wear them.
I loved the video, but I think you missed a particularly interesting aspect of denim in the modern day. The Japanese Amekaji movement helped bring some true artistry to jeans and denim as a fabric. Domestically we have the historic White Oak plant and its Draper X3 shuttle looms which were acquired by Vidalia Mills. While you’ve done a fantastic job of covering the high fashion side of denim, there’s is a very interesting and unique element in modern selvedge denim.
Great video, I try to avoid wearing jeans as often as possible, people think I’m over dressed but I prefer chinos or pants when possible, athletic wear is for the gym or to workout in. Thanks again 👍👍
I think this might be an American thing too. While jeans are super popular everywhere, including in nice restaurants in the evening, no one would call them ‘formal’. And I have been stopped from entering clubs in London for wearing jeans and boots. So I think location matters as well.
Jeans are not formal attire and is indicative of how casual society has become. I do wear jeans (actually wearing Wranglers right now). However, I follow these guidelines. 1. I never wear them with holes or when they are faded with one exception. When a pair becomes faded I reserve it for yardwork such as raking leaves or mowing the lawn. 2. I never wear them to events that are traditionally more formal (such as a banquet). They are strictly non formal. 3. I never pay exorbitant prices. My price ceiling is $50 max and usually much less. 4. I don't wear them in the summer because it is too hot for denim.
I'm fully into and committed to raw selvedge denim as it molds and shapes to you. Also the way it fades is pretty awesome and unique to the wearer. Feels like you are putting energy into something that holds up as its generally made better and will look better with wear!
@@gentlemansgazette anything from Self Edge is fantastic! Iron Hearts if you love thick pants that soften up with age… Flat Heads for that classic vertical fade but my favourite have to be Stevenson Overall Co. Leather backed buttons, great single needle construction and fabric that ages and looks just better and better…
@@gentlemansgazette Iron Heart is top in fabric and construction... those jeans are better build than almost any other pants on th planet...bno kidding !!
I used to wear jeans all of the time as a boy and adolescent. Then as I got into adulthood I really began to dislike how they felt: coarse, inflexible, thick, & hot. I switched to cotton pants & track pants which felt much nicer. Now I prefer cotton, blends, and other dressier styled pants. I still often wear athleisure pants at home only though. I think I own 1 or 2 jeans that I hardly ever wear.
@st_eve In my experience any 100% cotton denim is going to be heavy and hot. There are lighter weight things that look like jeans that have polyester or spandex in them but they lose shape really fast.
Where I'm from, polos and jeans are considered dressing up. Business casual. I see dark wash jeans as smart casual at best, but certainly not fancy pants. That being said, they do look good and have a place in a well rounded wardrobe!
Simply "no". Every time I dress in slacks, dress shirt and a blazer ( maybe even a waistcoat ),..I get tons of compliments from folks I don't even know. For me,..that shows that it is still "preferred" as the mark of class, to actually dress a bit more formal than many would today
Super interesting to see this video get produced. I started following GG less than a year ago and it has served as a compass for my evolution into the world of the classically dressed man. I was heartbroken when I saw videos by GG denouncing designer jeans as a viable option for business casual. The fanciest pants that had been a part of my business casual arrangements had been a couple of Dockers and Chinos. I had regularly been complimented in my choice of attire, even in the courtroom, as I work part time as a paralegal, and even sometimes doing executive security and even driving limos. I never looked like the status quo but, I did not lack in professional appearance either. I too, dress well when I go to school, and every day I get comments from students and even from teachers. It is common that I wearing a nice button up shirt with a tie. Sometimes I wear a sport jacket, sometimes just a vest. But, no fancy dress pants. Usually good jeans or Dockers. For shoes, I am usually wearing simple brown cap toes derbies or something similar. I have Chelsea boots and Chukkas on my to-buy list for this fall, though! I hope to see more men bringing some level of dignity back to our society. GG is a great resource and I appreciate all the effort your teams puts in to what you provide the viewers and up-n-coming gentlemen out here. Thanx!!
I think it's just the way everyday life is today, it's far less formal than it was back day. Suits were everyday clothes for men in the city; nowadays, suits are still used in classic businesswear but apart from that, you will see them only in more formal settings. So in other words, it's not the items themselves that stepped up in formality but it's the culture as a whole that became more casual, in clothing but also I'd say in mannerisms too (but that's another topic)
I'm still blown away by the idea that seersucker, which I've never been able to wear because of my associating it with the Preppy movement, used to be considered a workingman's material. Who knows what the the future holds for denim? But as for the present, I agree 100%- denim is not formal. Imagine someone wearing ripped jeans to your formal event and in a side conversation they protest that the jeans cost $700. Now you have the perfect opportunity to tell them that they're not just underdressed- they're an underdressed fool 🤣🤣🤣
I find denim very good as a everyday wear item as I often ride a bicycle to work, but any time it is raining or overly cold where public transport is my main choice of getting around a nice comfy pair of well fitting wool dress pants is my go to. I only wear denim in a work environment or when it is necessary. If a venue is too informal for a casual classic ensemble then I revert to a linen sports coat and a polo to compliment my pants.
Dark wash, well fitting denim can certainly look well put together, but like Minimalist Dress Sneakers, can never go past Smart Casual, and probably best left for the weekends. With that said I find chinos do the same job, can probably be dressed up a little bit more and feel more lighter and comfortable-at least here in Florida.
I am a lady but love this channel. Brings a lot of insight and makes me think of my dear old dad. #1 I went to a theater 🎭 to see popular play. It was fabulous. Even on school trips as a youngster we were taught to dress up. So I was dressed up...heels and all. I got the theater to see people in JEANS!! I was horrified and felt overdressed and embarrassed. But then I realized no...I am properly dressed.
That's horrible, isn't it? My wife and I go to the theater or concerts quite often, and often times we are the only ones that are properly dressed for the occasion.
@@herbtube7824 Yes! #2 I have a job where dress code is strict. Looking for clothes has been a nightmare. One salesman at a consignment shop told me that many women no longer want to wear nice dress clothes to work. They do not sell well. The department stores were not much better. Sigh
My day to day outfits involve quite a bit of denim, as I prefer a more rugged “workwear” style. But, truth be told, I prefer days when I can wear a smart sweater or nicer shirt so that I get to wear chinos. They are much more comfortable IMO.
I just bought my first ever dark jeans without any distressing. Game changer. I always thought I would look horrible in simple dark blue, but with a shirt and a nice pair of brown leather shues, I felt best.
I agree, jeans definitely are not formal wear, but if one is going to wear it as such the cut, fit, and wash are important things to consider. I find myself reaching for jeans more than I like though. On another note, I enjoy the videos you host. While all of the hosts at GG are fantastic, your style and delivery are top notch sir.
Certainly depends on the pair of jeans. My work jeans are lighter and more rugged and worn, and thus I’d never wear them out to eat. I do have nice jeans that are richer and without the worn look that I do wear out and even to weddings (most folks who invite me to weddings have rather informal dress codes).
You ask me, it's a no. Jeans was born as a work pants, it don't got no place as a formal clothing. You wear a jeans as a carpenter, or a farmer or a miner or as any other manual worker, but that's it. You can wear a jeans with a leather jacket but that's the only exception. For any other thing the good old wool trousers will work. Or courderoys. You know what? Cotton trousers too
I love all the new tech fabrics that look great and are more comfortable. It’s def not just about fit - fabric matters. There’s no way a pair of salvage denim will ever be as comfortable as Tencel denim or some other blend with stretch in it. And imo they look better
I always keep 2-3 sets of jeans. One is a rough and tumble, faded and possibly torn at the knees from hiking, athletics and wear & tear. The other is as dark blue as I can get and it becomes my faded pair through its semi formal use. The third set is dyed black.
If I’m “dressing up“? No jeans. If the point of choosing things to wear is to be formal, why would I choose something that is informal? But if I’m assembling an ensemble for daily wear and I want it to look nice? Sure, I’ll throw in some jeans! Just last week I wore jeans, chukka boots, a burgundy sweater vest, dress shirt, light tan linen jacket, and tie to work as a teacher. Easily the most “formally” dressed person there, but jeans kept me still looking like I wasn’t trying to out-do my colleagues.
This is perfect for the look of an academic professional. I am still an undergrad and sometimes I wear a suit to class depending on what I have going on outside of school that day, but a nice button down and dark wash jeans with some long wings is a super smart outfit for daily wear.
I’ve worn tan jeans with my brown and olive sport coats for years. Most people don’t realise I’m even wearing jeans and not kakis for the first couple times I see them. Jeans are comfortable and repel the dog hair of my Australian Shepard that encrusts EVERY other object of clothing I own.
The RIGHT jeans are fancy. Cut, color, and material matter. As with everything quality matters. A ratty old pair of Rustlers won't cut it. A well fitting pair of stylish jeans with a darker dye can be dressed up very nicely nowadays.
Sorry, jeans will never be fancy for me. To me, fancy is a dinner suit or velvet fabric or opera pumps, maybe a top hat. Fancy is definitely a morning coat and maybe a silk tie with a tailored suit. Living like I do sartorially (in the '30s), I see jeans as workwear for farmers or folk fixing their car. That association can't be shaken from me. Jeans can be appropriate for the situation most of the time if you want to fit in, though. I've been outspoken about my dislike for denim on the channel before. It's good only for durability - it fails in both style and comfort. I often dislike sartorial middle-grounds. I feel as though 21st century fashion fails in both comfort and style; I'd rather one or the other. I'd like to see people get to decide between full-on individualistic style and pajamas. Middle-grounds do neither well.
No. I own a pair of Veilance Cambre jeans which are very low key and as close as you can get to "formal "but they aren't formal at all. It's the wrong material, denim just has a rough casual look.
Are jeans formal? Of course not. Can dark demIn work in smart casual? Sure. Just be sure to pair it with tailored shirts, jackets, and brown leather shoes.
Everything you need to clean, mend and upkeep you can do at home... And it's not necessarily cheaper (if you include your own time in the cost), but it's easy to learn to do.
There's nothing intrinsically "not-formal" about denim as a fabric. The cut, color, fit, etc. matters more. People are just associating jeans with certain archetypes.
Like in the Rockabilly’s life style! Jeans could be related to James Dean, Marlo Brando! The cool Kat, tough biker type! I think! Thanks Kyle, you’re the Man!!
Honestly, denim is a midpoint in my opinion. Especially a dark wash or black pair. With a patterned tweed sport coat and a nice ocbd with some boots or long wings can be a fantastic look that elevates you past the "jeans and T-shirt" look without going too far. People will think you look nice without looking pretentious. I still wear chinos, trousers, and the like but jeans are a mainstay for errands and just going out casually but wanting to look nice.
I would never wear jeans with a navy or black blazer, charcoal is somewhat okay, idk why you would even wear a black suit outside of a funeral or evening-wear event. I would also never wear jeans with a non-texturized, non-patterned fabric. Jeans go best with texturized and/or patterned earth-toned blazers. Ralph Lauren has some good options, and the cuts tend to be a little more roomy off the rack so you don’t run into the issue of worrying about the rise of your jeans in relation to the hem of the jacket.
A large reason that jeans are the popular pants is because people feel they are being a rebel and sticking it to the man. But that hasn't been true for 60 years, though the image still persists. They can't come to grips with the fact that they are the status quo and the man wears jeans. There is also the persisting myth that nice clothes are uncomfortable and jeans are inherently comfortable. I find jeans hot and heavy and less comfortable than a pair of khakis. I have fallen asleep on the couch in a suit and tie because it was so comfortable I forgot I was wearing it. I will say that a pair of 100% cotton, raw, indigo jeans can look good in a casual situation with a sport coat and nice shoes. It is hard to find those anymore. What people want are faded, distressed, ripped jeans. Well kept clothes are not cool. It's fine if you look like you just dragged yourself out of bed and wear that for everywhere you go.
I prefer mainly Chinos and Trousers nowadays like a majority of the audience but still don't mind keeping around a Black and Dark wash pair for certain occasions. By the way I understand they're not exactly classic menswear but can you do a video analyzing hoodies? Sometimes I see athletes wearing them with patterned trousers and I think they pull it off quite well but I'm sure it's not everyones cup of tea so just interested in your thoughts on the matter. Regardless I still wear my sweaters most times.
It's silly to get Gucci jeans for that much when you can get a pair of classic selvedge raw organic denim from Japan, like Samurai or Japan Blue jeans. With the raw denim eventually fitting well (after a little wear) and it's usually a classic cut, a pair like that can last a long long time, thus cutting down cost per wear. For those who love jeans, they can immediately tell if it's raw and made from Japan. That to me is the ultimate quality luxury jeans. Yet it's hard to see jeans as being something we can consider any kind of modern formal. At best, it's business casual.
Weirdly, whenever I wear a pair of dark indigo jeans, everyone says I look really smart! I guess it’s subjective. I also highly appreciate the old Simpsons references 👌
Also I find with a pair of non distressed black jeans, the acceptability in a workplace is much higher than blue non-distressed. Black jeans work with just about every colored shirt one can put with them.
Black is much less versatile than blue actually. Black jeans don't pair well with brown shoes or belts and it also doesn't pair well with light blue dress shirts or button downs.
I think it really depends on the situation and on the jeans themselves. A pair of jet black jeans that fit well and are in immaculate condition, with a pair of well-made, elegant-looking shoes or even cowboy boots, will serve as an excellent foundation. The final result will obviously depend on what you pair with this foundation. So, let us say that you choose a well-made white shirt with discreet studs and cufflinks, a nice, not too wide tie, perhaps a pair of dapper suspenders and a nice-looking, well-fitting jacket. Or perhaps you keep things simple yet edgy and choose an asymmetrical tunic, probably in a solid color, as your top. These will look appropriate at all but the most formal occasions. Think: night out at a Michelin-starred restaurant and then good seats at the opera. But no, you most probably won't wear this kind of look to your wedding or your Nobel Prize award ceremony. If it's an evening event, you will most likely go for a black-tie look. And here, of course, the devil is in the details, which you will hopefully get spot-on :)
Keeping it real is very important. Even if you wanted to wear black tie to fancy restaurants you'd look wired as most will wear jeans there. So jeans are no substitute for a suit, no. But suit is coming out of fashion. And more and more we can wear classically cut jeans for occasions previously unacceptable for that. I do wear dark jeans with cardigans and knitted ties to fancy restaurants and I can't say I feed under-dressed.
I think the degree of formality depends on the color or shade. I have observed in my place that darker jeans are often used for smart casual/semi-formal, while lighter colored jeans are more on street casual. It can also be influenced by the shirt you wear. I can wear the same jeans and adjust the formality of my outfit overall through my shirt, i.e. a checker/pattern dress shirt (or any other collared shirt for that matter) tends to look more formal for my college peers, whereas a T-shirt is more casual. And behind it all, its formality is really based on the general perceptions of one's society.
As a female, I went through the phases of mumu 's sweatpants, track suits,🤦🏻♀️ and t shirts and now lounge wear and and I prefer lounge wear, and I do dress up when I leave the house duh. Not going back to that 🤢 yes I had bell bottoms,( flared)and still have a pair so at least I have seen a pair that with a turbulent wind they'd be flown away at best.😜🙄🤯🤣😂. I finally got them off of layaway along with several 8 track's 🤦🏻♀️🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂
I'm not a big fan of Blue Jeans 👖 and I prefer a nice pair of casual dress slacks. Jeans 👖 are for around the house 🏘️ or for a quick trip to the Market or something else. Sincerely Yours 🤠 Mr Severance, "The Cake 😋 🍰 🎂🥳🎉 Man".
@@kyle_vr For starters, black is, as you might you know from the Gentleman's Gazette, the most overrated color. Jeans in turn are the most overrated garment ever. So you have two overrated things in one. And except for an 1980s metalhead or a 2000s emo look, I don't see where this would have any place.
There doesn't seem to be basic standard of what to wear when out running erands for a lot of people. I used to buy Levis 501 back before they started with the stretch. Jeans are casual compared to chinos but look better than gym wear. I really don't think that it's worth spending much on them as they can be too warm in the summer due to the lycra, and not warm enough for winter. I also think that if you are going to spend £80 or more stores should at least stock all the sizes, ie 32, 33 inch waist and the odd numbers for length. I buy my jeans in a local Tescos and they'll do for me. I think chinos are better if you want to look smart, and I've gone for some molskin five pocket (jeans type) trousers for winter.
Starch em up good and stiff with a good crease in them, put on a good pair of Justin or Luchese boots, and a good pair of Wranglers are alright anywhere.
society is still incredibly formal and there is still a huge class divide, we just don't dress as edwardian people anymore because we are in 2022. Things change, there is no such thing as a "timeless classic", streetwear and activewear are now the norm, and just how the suit was the norm in 1823, the tracksuit/sweatpants+shirt combo is now the norm.
We need to break all forms of class when it comes to dress code down and just start being better humans. Yes, dress for the occasion, the event and what’s stated required but ultimately clothes are an expression for most.
Short answer, no. Blue jeans might be formal suit as kinda uniform in your 3rd half of the football match but should imho stay out of any office. Showing up in jeans is not very respectful towards your customer in a white collar job. Sweat pants are not even formal enough visiting the local supermarket.
I'd like to mention the button boot too. As you said the jodhpur boot is unusual, the button boot is even more so. Great video and thanks for the advice specifically on the Saphir sole water proofer
Not at all, I don't even own a pair, for the most informal occasion I go with chinos, I don't like denim. Also I find jeans uncomfortable, classic suit pants provide more freedom of movement than both chinos and jeans to me
I absolutely think Denim Trousers can be fancy, but it depends entirely on the rest of the attire. A nice Sports Jacket or even Leather Jacket can absolutely get you into a fancy place, with Jeans.
It can get you into a fancy place because fancy places don't want the tremendous pain of sending home a dozen guests a day for violating the dress code. They'll usually only have fixable policies, like a jacket, of which they have spares. In all reality, aside from the extremes, you'll be let into a fancy place in cargo shorts. The most I've ever seen is a "no baseball cap" policy. Restaurants back in the day had simple dress codes because people just knew what to wear when. Weddings didn't have dress codes, because the attire was implicit to everyone. Nowadays, you can't get people to dress according to the code even if you spell it out. You can wear jeans like that, but I don't get why you would. I don't get jeans in general. Cotton or wool trousers are all-around comfier and better-looking. Jeans are perhaps the least comfortable pair of trousers imaginable, perhaps only behind tweed trousers with no lining.
"You can wear jeans like that, but I don't get why you would." - I can see where you come from. - Why not class-it-up where you can? It think It comes down to personal preference and what you wish to "portray." I, personally, am into Motorcycles, Rock-and-Roll 80's aesthetics, Leather Jackets and fine Leather Boots. This is often how I choose to portray and signify my masculinity. I also enjoy a fine wool tweed suit with a large bow-tie, when evening permits. I don't think I would dine too often at a place filled with cargo-shorts, however. Casual and relaxed as it may be, I think I would stand a bit too much out. Point being; A pair of Jeans can certainly be held to fine standards, The rest of one's attire permitting.
Regarding The Simpsons, his blue pants could easily be navy colored chinos such as Dickies, or back when the show came out Hagar pants. Navy pants aren't necessarily jeans. But, Homer's pants probably are jeans
The plummet this culture is experiencing in good taste has reached the nadir of people calling jeans dress pants. Next it will be diapers at dinner time. WITAF. Put on PANTS, people. Jesus H. My gf and I wore simple but elegant dark outfits to the opera. Hers was a very simple dress. Mine was just dark pants and a nice collared shirt. Smart leather shoes on both of us. We were among the best dressed patrons there. It was appalling to see jeans and gym shoes there. Thanks GG for calling this stuff out. Jeans are NOT dress-wear!
If you think of formality as a binary (Either formal or not), then jeans are NOT formal.
If, however, you think of formality as a spectrum, then jeans have moved up the formality scale. Definitely business casual, possibly business attire depending on context (industry, age, location, etc.) and quality of jeans (wash, distress level)
@@TheSultan1470 Being once a garment for labor is no logical point at all to disgard it from the formal spectre. Some types of jeans are considered business casual these days.
@@kidaria1333 some jeans are considered business casual nowadays because most people don’t want to dress good or classy it’s now rather a race to which clothes get you out of the door faster. Just because more people are lazy nowadays still doesn’t make it formal
Even low quality jeans is not a proper workwear. They are too "soft", stretchy, not 100% cotton.
Modern day
- if you tuck in your shirt it is considered formal.
- if it is long sleeve, it is formal
-if it has a collar, it is formal
-pants are irrelevant to scale of formality
- shoes are irrelevant as long as they're clean
I hate that it has gotten to this.
Colorado:
- If your T-shirt fits, it is formal.
- If you're wearing socks, it is formal.
- If it's anything other than North Face, it's bad taste.
@@themoderndandy713 in some sections of society in the UK, if you got out of your pyjamas to go to the supermarket, you are too formal
oh.. i see.
I think this is associated with businesswear. Often times it is required to wear a long sleeve, collared button down tucked in.
The whole modern formality scale is definitely something weird to me. I've been told I dress too formal to school, when all I wear is usually a short sleeve button up, polo, or flannel for my shirt, and then slacks or jeans for my pants. I see what I wear as super casual.
Someone once asked me why I was "dressing up" when I wore a casual button down and khakies.
In today's world, anything more than jeans and a t-shirt, and people think you must be "dressing up" for something.
I am in the same situation, people ask why I dress so formally, but I wear is button ups, accompanied by a flat cap and pocket watch.
@@jojag5 I know, right?
Don't get me started on this. I am perceived as dressing as an old man every time I wear something collared
Everyone is so backwards these days, I have to have a fit with my mother just to wear shirt and pants in public
As a teenager with a very, very low budget, my daily attire often consists of jeans, with a button up shirt and flat cap. I often try to keep the colors consistent, which is fairly easy because I wear a lot of blues.
Have you tried thrift or consingment shops?
That's nice.. I'm on a low budget too, so I wear them blues too.. 😅
hmm perhaps u could visit ur local goodwill.
I considered ranting about the notion that jeans are not formal attire. But then I remembered that last July I attended a wedding. I wore an off-white linen sport coat, a yellow straight-collar shirt, and black jeans, and a Panama hat. I got several compliments. Times change. Being old does not mean I can't still have style within current norms. Wear them.
The short and long answer is no.
I loved the video, but I think you missed a particularly interesting aspect of denim in the modern day. The Japanese Amekaji movement helped bring some true artistry to jeans and denim as a fabric. Domestically we have the historic White Oak plant and its Draper X3 shuttle looms which were acquired by Vidalia Mills. While you’ve done a fantastic job of covering the high fashion side of denim, there’s is a very interesting and unique element in modern selvedge denim.
Love seeing you here Carl, I’m sure I’m not the only one that jumps back and forth between this channel and yours!
@@brycefowler5821 well I certainly appreciate that! Raphael has done a magnificent job with this channel. It’s one of my favorites.
@@CarlMurawski Likewise, Carl! Thanks for your insights.
- Preston
Great video, I try to avoid wearing jeans as often as possible, people think I’m over dressed but I prefer chinos or pants when possible, athletic wear is for the gym or to workout in. Thanks again 👍👍
I think this might be an American thing too. While jeans are super popular everywhere, including in nice restaurants in the evening, no one would call them ‘formal’. And I have been stopped from entering clubs in London for wearing jeans and boots. So I think location matters as well.
they have dress codes at clubs in the uk?? wow
@@--julian_ would probably depend on the club. No different then high end restaurants dress code
@@unclebug35 for me high end restaurants >>> club lol
Jeans are not formal attire and is indicative of how casual society has become. I do wear jeans (actually wearing Wranglers right now). However, I follow these guidelines.
1. I never wear them with holes or when they are faded with one exception. When a pair becomes faded I reserve it for yardwork such as raking leaves or mowing the lawn.
2. I never wear them to events that are traditionally more formal (such as a banquet). They are strictly non formal.
3. I never pay exorbitant prices. My price ceiling is $50 max and usually much less.
4. I don't wear them in the summer because it is too hot for denim.
I'm fully into and committed to raw selvedge denim as it molds and shapes to you. Also the way it fades is pretty awesome and unique to the wearer. Feels like you are putting energy into something that holds up as its generally made better and will look better with wear!
Very nice! What brands do you like for your raw denim?
@@gentlemansgazette anything from Self Edge is fantastic! Iron Hearts if you love thick pants that soften up with age… Flat Heads for that classic vertical fade but my favourite have to be Stevenson Overall Co. Leather backed buttons, great single needle construction and fabric that ages and looks just better and better…
@@gentlemansgazette Iron Heart is top in fabric and construction... those jeans are better build than almost any other pants on th planet...bno kidding !!
I used to wear jeans all of the time as a boy and adolescent. Then as I got into adulthood I really began to dislike how they felt: coarse, inflexible, thick, & hot. I switched to cotton pants & track pants which felt much nicer. Now I prefer cotton, blends, and other dressier styled pants. I still often wear athleisure pants at home only though. I think I own 1 or 2 jeans that I hardly ever wear.
Agreed. Well fitting slacks can be more comfortable than jeans!
u probably wear the thickest and also most roughest inflexible type of jeans ever literally just get softer denim ok ?? ok.
@st_eve In my experience any 100% cotton denim is going to be heavy and hot. There are lighter weight things that look like jeans that have polyester or spandex in them but they lose shape really fast.
I mostly wear jeans, but I can't deny that khakis are much softer and comfier to wear. I only have one pair of khakis though. I need to buy more.
Dark wash jeans with a sport coat and nice boots is killer. I think it gives more formal attire a run for its money when it comes to looking sharp.
Where I'm from, polos and jeans are considered dressing up. Business casual. I see dark wash jeans as smart casual at best, but certainly not fancy pants. That being said, they do look good and have a place in a well rounded wardrobe!
Simply "no". Every time I dress in slacks, dress shirt and a blazer ( maybe even a waistcoat ),..I get tons of compliments from folks I don't even know. For me,..that shows that it is still "preferred" as the mark of class, to actually dress a bit more formal than many would today
"...you'll look far better in a soft suit than a track suit" - agreed :-)
I'd be interested to see a video about alternatives to "smart" jeans. For example, moleskin, corduroy, chinos ..and what else Is there?
there is no such thing as smart jean the pant is not conscious my friend
Super interesting to see this video get produced. I started following GG less than a year ago and it has served as a compass for my evolution into the world of the classically dressed man. I was heartbroken when I saw videos by GG denouncing designer jeans as a viable option for business casual. The fanciest pants that had been a part of my business casual arrangements had been a couple of Dockers and Chinos. I had regularly been complimented in my choice of attire, even in the courtroom, as I work part time as a paralegal, and even sometimes doing executive security and even driving limos. I never looked like the status quo but, I did not lack in professional appearance either. I too, dress well when I go to school, and every day I get comments from students and even from teachers. It is common that I wearing a nice button up shirt with a tie. Sometimes I wear a sport jacket, sometimes just a vest. But, no fancy dress pants. Usually good jeans or Dockers. For shoes, I am usually wearing simple brown cap toes derbies or something similar. I have Chelsea boots and Chukkas on my to-buy list for this fall, though! I hope to see more men bringing some level of dignity back to our society. GG is a great resource and I appreciate all the effort your teams puts in to what you provide the viewers and up-n-coming gentlemen out here. Thanx!!
Thank you for your support, and for keeping an open mind when it comes to our content!
I think it's just the way everyday life is today, it's far less formal than it was back day. Suits were everyday clothes for men in the city; nowadays, suits are still used in classic businesswear but apart from that, you will see them only in more formal settings. So in other words, it's not the items themselves that stepped up in formality but it's the culture as a whole that became more casual, in clothing but also I'd say in mannerisms too (but that's another topic)
I'm still blown away by the idea that seersucker, which I've never been able to wear because of my associating it with the Preppy movement, used to be considered a workingman's material. Who knows what the the future holds for denim? But as for the present, I agree 100%- denim is not formal.
Imagine someone wearing ripped jeans to your formal event and in a side conversation they protest that the jeans cost $700. Now you have the perfect opportunity to tell them that they're not just underdressed- they're an underdressed fool 🤣🤣🤣
Q. Are jeans formal?
A. No.
Next question.
I find denim very good as a everyday wear item as I often ride a bicycle to work, but any time it is raining or overly cold where public transport is my main choice of getting around a nice comfy pair of well fitting wool dress pants is my go to. I only wear denim in a work environment or when it is necessary. If a venue is too informal for a casual classic ensemble then I revert to a linen sports coat and a polo to compliment my pants.
Dark wash, well fitting denim can certainly look well put together, but like Minimalist Dress Sneakers, can never go past Smart Casual, and probably best left for the weekends. With that said I find chinos do the same job, can probably be dressed up a little bit more and feel more lighter and comfortable-at least here in Florida.
I am a lady but love this channel. Brings a lot of insight and makes me think of my dear old dad. #1 I went to a theater 🎭 to see popular play. It was fabulous. Even on school trips as a youngster we were taught to dress up. So I was dressed up...heels and all. I got the theater to see people in JEANS!! I was horrified and felt overdressed and embarrassed. But then I realized no...I am properly dressed.
That's horrible, isn't it? My wife and I go to the theater or concerts quite often, and often times we are the only ones that are properly dressed for the occasion.
@@herbtube7824 Yes! #2 I have a job where dress code is strict. Looking for clothes has been a nightmare. One salesman at a consignment shop told me that many women no longer want to wear nice dress clothes to work. They do not sell well. The department stores were not much better. Sigh
My day to day outfits involve quite a bit of denim, as I prefer a more rugged “workwear” style. But, truth be told, I prefer days when I can wear a smart sweater or nicer shirt so that I get to wear chinos. They are much more comfortable IMO.
Seemingly, yes. I live by a no-jeans policy, so I am unaffected by this confusion.
what do u do if you see a levis store
@@P1CKL3_RICK Fittingly, I don't believe I've ever been to a Levi's Store.
I just bought my first ever dark jeans without any distressing. Game changer.
I always thought I would look horrible in simple dark blue, but with a shirt and a nice pair of brown leather shues, I felt best.
I agree, jeans definitely are not formal wear, but if one is going to wear it as such the cut, fit, and wash are important things to consider. I find myself reaching for jeans more than I like though.
On another note, I enjoy the videos you host. While all of the hosts at GG are fantastic, your style and delivery are top notch sir.
I stopped wearing jeans because I found them to be uncomfortable after a lot of moving around. Switched to chinos because of that.
Dark, well fitting, gold lined, deep indigo jeans will always be preppy with the right outfit.
Never
Certainly depends on the pair of jeans. My work jeans are lighter and more rugged and worn, and thus I’d never wear them out to eat. I do have nice jeans that are richer and without the worn look that I do wear out and even to weddings (most folks who invite me to weddings have rather informal dress codes).
I go for pants with lots of pockets theses days, has to have a pocket for my phone, keys and other supplies. I buy at used clothes store.
At least we didn't end up letting Devo set our fashion regimen.
You ask me, it's a no. Jeans was born as a work pants, it don't got no place as a formal clothing. You wear a jeans as a carpenter, or a farmer or a miner or as any other manual worker, but that's it. You can wear a jeans with a leather jacket but that's the only exception. For any other thing the good old wool trousers will work. Or courderoys. You know what? Cotton trousers too
I love all the new tech fabrics that look great and are more comfortable. It’s def not just about fit - fabric matters. There’s no way a pair of salvage denim will ever be as comfortable as Tencel denim or some other blend with stretch in it. And imo they look better
Is it formal? No, can you style in a way that you still look more put together than 90% of people on the streets? Yes
I always keep 2-3 sets of jeans. One is a rough and tumble, faded and possibly torn at the knees from hiking, athletics and wear & tear. The other is as dark blue as I can get and it becomes my faded pair through its semi formal use. The third set is dyed black.
Interesting, thank you for sharing! Which pair would you say gets the most use?
@@gentlemansgazette its too big for me lol
This is a great video Kyle, that I hope will precede a deep dive into selvedge denim (please, please, PLEASE)
If I’m “dressing up“? No jeans. If the point of choosing things to wear is to be formal, why would I choose something that is informal?
But if I’m assembling an ensemble for daily wear and I want it to look nice? Sure, I’ll throw in some jeans! Just last week I wore jeans, chukka boots, a burgundy sweater vest, dress shirt, light tan linen jacket, and tie to work as a teacher. Easily the most “formally” dressed person there, but jeans kept me still looking like I wasn’t trying to out-do my colleagues.
This is perfect for the look of an academic professional. I am still an undergrad and sometimes I wear a suit to class depending on what I have going on outside of school that day, but a nice button down and dark wash jeans with some long wings is a super smart outfit for daily wear.
Without watching this video I would say no, but they do have a classy place depending on the circumstances
I’ve worn tan jeans with my brown and olive sport coats for years. Most people don’t realise I’m even wearing jeans and not kakis for the first couple times I see them.
Jeans are comfortable and repel the dog hair of my Australian Shepard that encrusts EVERY other object of clothing I own.
Love the historical perspective!
Very underrated Chanel
i dont think it is
The RIGHT jeans are fancy. Cut, color, and material matter. As with everything quality matters. A ratty old pair of Rustlers won't cut it. A well fitting pair of stylish jeans with a darker dye can be dressed up very nicely nowadays.
Material? All denim is cotton, I think you meant density and/or weave
@@drip369 some has spandex added to it for stretch. But yeah, density/weave is what I really meant. Not all denim is equal.
id say nice japanese selvedge denim with deep dark indigo without too flashy of thread used for sewing can be neat enough to be worn dressed up
Sorry, jeans will never be fancy for me. To me, fancy is a dinner suit or velvet fabric or opera pumps, maybe a top hat. Fancy is definitely a morning coat and maybe a silk tie with a tailored suit. Living like I do sartorially (in the '30s), I see jeans as workwear for farmers or folk fixing their car. That association can't be shaken from me. Jeans can be appropriate for the situation most of the time if you want to fit in, though.
I've been outspoken about my dislike for denim on the channel before. It's good only for durability - it fails in both style and comfort. I often dislike sartorial middle-grounds. I feel as though 21st century fashion fails in both comfort and style; I'd rather one or the other. I'd like to see people get to decide between full-on individualistic style and pajamas. Middle-grounds do neither well.
no they arent
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No. I own a pair of Veilance Cambre jeans which are very low key and as close as you can get to "formal "but they aren't formal at all. It's the wrong material, denim just has a rough casual look.
Jeans (denim pants) are very causal in my opinion.
Are jeans formal? Of course not. Can dark demIn work in smart casual? Sure. Just be sure to pair it with tailored shirts, jackets, and brown leather shoes.
Seinfeld had one episode in 1989 and is therfore a 90's show. Seinfeld didn't even wear jeans in the first episode.
Of course, jeans should be considered a casual item.
Jeans are washable, you don’t have the hassle of taking trousers to the dry cleaners, you can just throw them in the washing machine.
Everything you need to clean, mend and upkeep you can do at home... And it's not necessarily cheaper (if you include your own time in the cost), but it's easy to learn to do.
So are khakis.
yes but how does that relate to whether it is a formal garment or not
There's nothing intrinsically "not-formal" about denim as a fabric. The cut, color, fit, etc. matters more. People are just associating jeans with certain archetypes.
Like in the Rockabilly’s life style! Jeans could be related to James Dean, Marlo Brando! The cool Kat, tough biker type! I think! Thanks Kyle, you’re the Man!!
Honestly, denim is a midpoint in my opinion. Especially a dark wash or black pair. With a patterned tweed sport coat and a nice ocbd with some boots or long wings can be a fantastic look that elevates you past the "jeans and T-shirt" look without going too far. People will think you look nice without looking pretentious. I still wear chinos, trousers, and the like but jeans are a mainstay for errands and just going out casually but wanting to look nice.
I would never wear jeans with a navy or black blazer, charcoal is somewhat okay, idk why you would even wear a black suit outside of a funeral or evening-wear event. I would also never wear jeans with a non-texturized, non-patterned fabric. Jeans go best with texturized and/or patterned earth-toned blazers. Ralph Lauren has some good options, and the cuts tend to be a little more roomy off the rack so you don’t run into the issue of worrying about the rise of your jeans in relation to the hem of the jacket.
I couldn't pass that one up 🤦🏻♀️😜🙄
A large reason that jeans are the popular pants is because people feel they are being a rebel and sticking it to the man. But that hasn't been true for 60 years, though the image still persists. They can't come to grips with the fact that they are the status quo and the man wears jeans.
There is also the persisting myth that nice clothes are uncomfortable and jeans are inherently comfortable. I find jeans hot and heavy and less comfortable than a pair of khakis. I have fallen asleep on the couch in a suit and tie because it was so comfortable I forgot I was wearing it.
I will say that a pair of 100% cotton, raw, indigo jeans can look good in a casual situation with a sport coat and nice shoes. It is hard to find those anymore. What people want are faded, distressed, ripped jeans. Well kept clothes are not cool. It's fine if you look like you just dragged yourself out of bed and wear that for everywhere you go.
Nein
I prefer mainly Chinos and Trousers nowadays like a majority of the audience but still don't mind keeping around a Black and Dark wash pair for certain occasions. By the way I understand they're not exactly classic menswear but can you do a video analyzing hoodies? Sometimes I see athletes wearing them with patterned trousers and I think they pull it off quite well but I'm sure it's not everyones cup of tea so just interested in your thoughts on the matter. Regardless I still wear my sweaters most times.
I once thought "yes", until I saw someone wear a pair of black denim to a wedding.
It wasn't offesive, but seemed out of place.
It's silly to get Gucci jeans for that much when you can get a pair of classic selvedge raw organic denim from Japan, like Samurai or Japan Blue jeans. With the raw denim eventually fitting well (after a little wear) and it's usually a classic cut, a pair like that can last a long long time, thus cutting down cost per wear. For those who love jeans, they can immediately tell if it's raw and made from Japan. That to me is the ultimate quality luxury jeans. Yet it's hard to see jeans as being something we can consider any kind of modern formal. At best, it's business casual.
My business casual workplace says no jeans, so I'm gonna say no. I think they look nice and can be dressed up but corporate doesn't agree
Stay tuned for the next video: How to wear dungarees to a black tie event
Maybe that's a step too far! 😂
No.
Would love to see a review of Jacob Cohen jeans! A "worth it" episode.
Jeans? Formal? No, never. I have a half dozen pair of Levi’s 501’s. There’s a time and place for everything.
Weirdly, whenever I wear a pair of dark indigo jeans, everyone says I look really smart! I guess it’s subjective. I also highly appreciate the old Simpsons references 👌
I like jeans, but I don't understand the desire to wear them on casual day. In other words, I like jeans, but I don't go crazy for jeans.
I would only wear jeans while performing manual labor or in situations where I run the risk of getting my pants dirty or ripped.
Yes I need better jeans, but... slacks are much nicer
Also I find with a pair of non distressed black jeans, the acceptability in a workplace is much higher than blue non-distressed. Black jeans work with just about every colored shirt one can put with them.
Black is much less versatile than blue actually. Black jeans don't pair well with brown shoes or belts and it also doesn't pair well with light blue dress shirts or button downs.
Also black jeans don't pair well with navy blazers so basically all the most common business casual clothing pairs poorly with black jeans.
I think it really depends on the situation and on the jeans themselves. A pair of jet black jeans that fit well and are in immaculate condition, with a pair of well-made, elegant-looking shoes or even cowboy boots, will serve as an excellent foundation. The final result will obviously depend on what you pair with this foundation.
So, let us say that you choose a well-made white shirt with discreet studs and cufflinks, a nice, not too wide tie, perhaps a pair of dapper suspenders and a nice-looking, well-fitting jacket. Or perhaps you keep things simple yet edgy and choose an asymmetrical tunic, probably in a solid color, as your top. These will look appropriate at all but the most formal occasions. Think: night out at a Michelin-starred restaurant and then good seats at the opera.
But no, you most probably won't wear this kind of look to your wedding or your Nobel Prize award ceremony. If it's an evening event, you will most likely go for a black-tie look. And here, of course, the devil is in the details, which you will hopefully get spot-on :)
I wear dark denim with a navy blazer and tie. Is this inappropriate?
Nein, no!
Keeping it real is very important. Even if you wanted to wear black tie to fancy restaurants you'd look wired as most will wear jeans there. So jeans are no substitute for a suit, no. But suit is coming out of fashion. And more and more we can wear classically cut jeans for occasions previously unacceptable for that.
I do wear dark jeans with cardigans and knitted ties to fancy restaurants and I can't say I feed under-dressed.
I think the degree of formality depends on the color or shade.
I have observed in my place that darker jeans are often used for smart casual/semi-formal, while lighter colored jeans are more on street casual.
It can also be influenced by the shirt you wear. I can wear the same jeans and adjust the formality of my outfit overall through my shirt, i.e. a checker/pattern dress shirt (or any other collared shirt for that matter) tends to look more formal for my college peers, whereas a T-shirt is more casual.
And behind it all, its formality is really based on the general perceptions of one's society.
As a female, I went through the phases of mumu 's sweatpants, track suits,🤦🏻♀️ and t shirts and now lounge wear and and I prefer lounge wear, and I do dress up when I leave the house duh. Not going back to that 🤢 yes I had bell bottoms,( flared)and still have a pair so at least I have seen a pair that with a turbulent wind they'd be flown away at best.😜🙄🤯🤣😂. I finally got them off of layaway along with several 8 track's 🤦🏻♀️🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂
Informative and well done.
I'm not a big fan of Blue Jeans 👖 and I prefer a nice pair of casual dress slacks. Jeans 👖 are for around the house 🏘️ or for a quick trip to the Market or something else.
Sincerely Yours 🤠 Mr Severance,
"The Cake 😋 🍰 🎂🥳🎉 Man".
Hiii!!!!! Can you guys do a pro’s and cons of Satin suits ?
Any opinions on Black jeans?
Just say no.
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@@alexanderfo3886 why?
@@P1CKL3_RICK why?
@@kyle_vr
For starters, black is, as you might you know from the Gentleman's Gazette, the most overrated color.
Jeans in turn are the most overrated garment ever.
So you have two overrated things in one. And except for an 1980s metalhead or a 2000s emo look, I don't see where this would have any place.
I find jeans/denim overrrarted comfort wise. They irritate the folicles of my legs hair.
There doesn't seem to be basic standard of what to wear when out running erands for a lot of people. I used to buy Levis 501 back before they started with the stretch. Jeans are casual compared to chinos but look better than gym wear. I really don't think that it's worth spending much on them as they can be too warm in the summer due to the lycra, and not warm enough for winter. I also think that if you are going to spend £80 or more stores should at least stock all the sizes, ie 32, 33 inch waist and the odd numbers for length. I buy my jeans in a local Tescos and they'll do for me. I think chinos are better if you want to look smart, and I've gone for some molskin five pocket (jeans type) trousers for winter.
depends on the denim really in the right colour and not ripped it can work fine
Starch em up good and stiff with a good crease in them, put on a good pair of Justin or Luchese boots, and a good pair of Wranglers are alright anywhere.
how r stiff jeans comfortable by any means
society is still incredibly formal and there is still a huge class divide, we just don't dress as edwardian people anymore because we are in 2022. Things change, there is no such thing as a "timeless classic", streetwear and activewear are now the norm, and just how the suit was the norm in 1823, the tracksuit/sweatpants+shirt combo is now the norm.
Yet Chanel made a suit made of denim. For the Ladies. I forget when but it was nice.
We need to break all forms of class when it comes to dress code down and just start being better humans. Yes, dress for the occasion, the event and what’s stated required but ultimately clothes are an expression for most.
@@TheSultan1470 if it was on a farm or on a rooftop and the occasion called for it.
6:41 RAY BLOODY PURCHASE????
What is thr name of the shoes used at 9:20 in the video? I really liked them
Short answer, no.
Blue jeans might be formal suit as kinda uniform in your 3rd half of the football match but should imho stay out of any office. Showing up in jeans is not very respectful towards your customer in a white collar job.
Sweat pants are not even formal enough visiting the local supermarket.
I'd like to mention the button boot too. As you said the jodhpur boot is unusual, the button boot is even more so. Great video and thanks for the advice specifically on the Saphir sole water proofer
Not at all, I don't even own a pair, for the most informal occasion I go with chinos, I don't like denim. Also I find jeans uncomfortable, classic suit pants provide more freedom of movement than both chinos and jeans to me
Jeans are a very neutral, versatile type of pants that are neither casual nor formal.
I absolutely think Denim Trousers can be fancy, but it depends entirely on the rest of the attire.
A nice Sports Jacket or even Leather Jacket can absolutely get you into a fancy place, with Jeans.
It can get you into a fancy place because fancy places don't want the tremendous pain of sending home a dozen guests a day for violating the dress code. They'll usually only have fixable policies, like a jacket, of which they have spares. In all reality, aside from the extremes, you'll be let into a fancy place in cargo shorts. The most I've ever seen is a "no baseball cap" policy.
Restaurants back in the day had simple dress codes because people just knew what to wear when. Weddings didn't have dress codes, because the attire was implicit to everyone. Nowadays, you can't get people to dress according to the code even if you spell it out.
You can wear jeans like that, but I don't get why you would. I don't get jeans in general. Cotton or wool trousers are all-around comfier and better-looking. Jeans are perhaps the least comfortable pair of trousers imaginable, perhaps only behind tweed trousers with no lining.
"You can wear jeans like that, but I don't get why you would."
- I can see where you come from. - Why not class-it-up where you can?
It think It comes down to personal preference and what you wish to "portray."
I, personally, am into Motorcycles, Rock-and-Roll 80's aesthetics,
Leather Jackets and fine Leather Boots.
This is often how I choose to portray and signify my masculinity.
I also enjoy a fine wool tweed suit with a large bow-tie, when evening permits.
I don't think I would dine too often at a place filled with cargo-shorts, however.
Casual and relaxed as it may be, I think I would stand a bit too much out.
Point being; A pair of Jeans can certainly be held to fine standards,
The rest of one's attire permitting.
I'm from the south, most men wear jeans.
Regarding The Simpsons, his blue pants could easily be navy colored chinos such as Dickies, or back when the show came out Hagar pants. Navy pants aren't necessarily jeans. But, Homer's pants probably are jeans
@@TheSultan1470 he works at a nuclear plant
why would u refer to a cartoon character when talking about actual clothes his shirt doesn't even have buttons it just opens like a retro resort shirt
@@P1CKL3_RICK I was referring to the mention within the video
Are you guys nuts? Jeans are not formal period.
The plummet this culture is experiencing in good taste has reached the nadir of people calling jeans dress pants. Next it will be diapers at dinner time. WITAF. Put on PANTS, people. Jesus H. My gf and I wore simple but elegant dark outfits to the opera. Hers was a very simple dress. Mine was just dark pants and a nice collared shirt. Smart leather shoes on both of us. We were among the best dressed patrons there. It was appalling to see jeans and gym shoes there.
Thanks GG for calling this stuff out.
Jeans are NOT dress-wear!