It was kinda random because no one thought that would ever happen. Shes def one of their best girl cast that they brought in. Really funny and talkative
All the people who have a problem with Barts opinion don’t understand that he is not someone to get outraged or emotional in general. You have no right to expect someone to be cancelled and demonized because they don’t share your own feeling of outrage. Bart is a realist and accepts things as they come. The man’s father killed himself and Bart showed up to work and shot videos for hours and hours for Christ sake. This does not make him Evil.
I think people that may not like Bart's take are those who think he is condoning this shit. Bart is passing a judgement on if it's morally, ethically or legally acceptable. He is simply saying that, in HIS mind, this is something he expects. I'm sure he's all for making and enforcing laws against it, but that's a different conversation. His input was essentially, don't walk through the worst neighborhood at night, without expecting the possibility of something bad happening, like getting mugged or killed. The people who don't like what he said hear it as "it's ok to mug and kill people who walk through the worst neighborhood at night".
I think they just don't like how Bart is to real and logical and makes it look like he's not thinking about the emotional aspect of it but he does have a point about fighting a losing battle.
why people are so focused on bart when a big issue can arise in asia north america and europe aren't that conservative societies but asia has very conservative societies impact of deepfakes on average women in those conservative societies might have a much more bad effect
Internet may be the internet, but consent is consent. So if there was no consent given to use their faces/likeness, it's flat out wrong and they should be sued.
Interesting conversation. Even though I understand Bart's point and that it may be difficult to prevent this type of thing from happening on the internet, I think we should still aim towards fighting for what is morally right, which in this case is discouraging the use of deepfakes and calling out people who are helping it survive, like this twitch streamer. Like what Joe said, the legal line is still a bit murky considering how long it takes for protective laws to catch up to technology; but on the moral side of things, it should be deemed unacceptable and disgraceful behavior.
honestly, im a big fan of videos like this with such deep discussions and different angles and perspectives on it. mad respect for all the guys being so open and respectful of everyone's opinions on different topics and such. good vid as always!
Thank you for making the points: THESE FEMALE CREATORS PAY OUT OF POCKET TO REMOVE THIS KIND OF UNCONSENTED MATERIAL and WOMEN ARE ALWAYS SEGGSUALIZED WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. It’s not like a meme, it’s not like a bad joke, it’s quite literally not allowing us to have rights to our own privacy and our bodily autonomy. It shouldn’t be normalized and if it seems normal it’s because men make it seem no big deal it should be expected, that is the patriarchy. There’s pages dedicated to leaking private information of women and they don’t know. Instead of saying it happens we should still try to fight things like this so we start to have consequences for these actions. I’ll never understand what makes non-consensual behavior okay. On what Ryan said- yes we should ostracize those who do these things. I appreciate all the boys for being the Allies they are, Bart I understand but, Bruv. THANK YOU STEVE FOR BEING A REAL ONE FOR CALLING OUT EVERY POINT.
Same sentiments. Steve gets it. As for Bart, I understand why he feels that way, but that's just letting the bad things slide, because "that's the way it is." Just because bad things happen on the internet, doesn't mean we have to be okay with it.
I think it also really effects these women’s bottom lines. Some sponsors aren’t smart enough/ won’t really look into seeing if the deepfake is real or not and just avoid them all together. It also feeds into that weird obsession some fans have with streams. That’s why a lot of them hire security for events and gatherings.
This story was wild, everything that could go wrong for him, did. Not only did he get exposed for watching it on stream, he also paid for it, and its is practically his close friends and colleagues.
It's not that wild. To me this is a no shit moment. I mean I don't know any of these people but there are a shit ton of hypocrites out there including you and me to some level. So this is not very surprising.
For anyone upset with Bart, y'all must have missed 9:25-9:37 (also around 11min mark). Pretty clear that he never said he's "opposing" anything. It's just that it's inevitable to stop something that'll keep happening. The JK Subreddit for example (which is mentioned in this vid as well) will keep coming back. HUGE difference between being against something and understanding the reality of the situation; it's a never ending battle once the door is opened.
We are upset on how bart is thinking on why normal people gets upset when they’ve been victimize by deepfakes, as if its “normal” that you got victimized by all the bs on the internet because “its the internet” thats not how it works
@@muddapeople I can understand that. However to be fair, he isn't justifying the situation by saying it's normal. He is pointing out the harsh reality that it's a reoccuring thing since the internet is the way it is. He didn't say the victims are wrong either. It's more of an understanding that it's inevitable. Like I said in my original comment, the subreddit for example. They've been thru it, and will continue to keep doing so.
i disagree with bart on this one being memed, criticised, clowned on bullied etc is a consequence of being a public figure and expected, however being framed for sexual acts/porn isnt something someone signs up for or even expects to happen ever
There are male streamers who've been deep faked as well. From what MoistCritical said, its getting to the point that its so good how do we know what's real/not real when they leak. This can impact someone's carrer so hard. I just saw a story of a asian woman who's life was impacted by a meme (which was lies) It was the "cant hid your genetics ad" she was a successful model to not even getting odd jobs years after. The impact of the internet goes far
I love these topics where everyone isn’t immediately on the same page with the same take and there’s a genuine discussion, y’all never fail to deliver. Although the situation is unfortunate and kind of a disaster, I’m a huge fan of Atrioc and his content so I hope this doesn’t completely dismantle his online presence.
I get what barts saying but just because we'll never stop people from putting others into nonconsensual pornography, doesn't mean it's a pointless battle. We'll also never stop human sex trafficking, but it's definitely worth a try. Forcing others to do a sexual act for only your financial benefit, even if it's just superimposing their face into sexual content, is incredibly violating and damaging to people and our society overall.
Trolls can come into these female streamers' chat and start harassing them, thinking it's funny. I think it was QT who explained that, but don't quote me on that. Edit: it was XQC
Problem is like y'all do know this can affect day to day women who arent celebs or online creators regardless we're all human. It's making sexual content of us without permission. We should at least have a say some people dgaf and others do
Hear me out, not that they dont feel bad, but their threshold is at a different level. The equivalent has to be something they never want to be known for, something that they would be ashamed of and ruin their career. Like if there was childporn/incest deep fake of Bart. He would lose all sponsership, people would be disgusted by him and he would feel horrified that there is something like this out there that looks so real. That is how a women feels and should never have done to them no matter how close they live to the ocean. I understand what Bart means but also balance it with a humanizing perspective too. Which is why people might take his take the wrong way.
Bart is just trying not to sound mean. The real message is people on the internet are fucked up and do whatever they want. Doesn't matter if it's good or bad, they will get away with it.
You could say that about crime as well. There will always be f-uped people doing crime. You can't get rid of it completely. There will always people doing bad stuff. But that doesn't mean people shouldnt try to do something about it.
Patreons going to save this sinking ship by making them talking about news rightaway not three months late. In my opinion that's what keeping JK from growing beside youtube keeping F ing them with rules
As Anthony said in the Monterey Park video, their video schedule is in part based on when they happen to be together filming since they film every 2 weeks.
@@KissKissCthulhu I don't really mean it, just horsing around. Been watching since ask the feels. My favorite era is JK party. I'm still watching JKN. They are about to hit 2 mills. Happy for them
I just watched the Pam Anderson documentary, and it really ruined her career. Her kids are so awesome, and it was the very first sex tape scandal ever. She's just NOW at 60, starting to try and build a career again. She starred recently as Roxie in Chicago. So I'm really hoping she will find a happy life again. I also wonder how Seth Rogan feels exploiting her once again. She said she never watched the tape, and she refused to watch the Tommy and Pam Netflix show as well. They offered 5 million for the tape, and she refused money way back when.
The really sad thing is it sounds like she was put in a position where it was going to be released no matter what she did. Like the person in possession of the tape was trying to blackmail/extort her and painted her into a corner in a no win situation regarding the sex tape being released. Like either pay up and release it yourself or we will release it anyways.
@Beth Nichols there was an interview tonight that I saw with her and her son. He directed her new documentary. I guess he's in finance, and he said to the interviewer, " Do you know she only makes $4,000 an episode to this day off from the reruns of Baywatch and she was the biggest star there", and she goes " honey it's not about the money, I'll live in a box idc" and he's like " see that's just how positive she's always been, I don't believe it's fair and they won't be getting away with it if I have anything else to say about it". Her boys are pretty amazing, and I hope that sweet soul of hers gets retribution for everything Hollywood put her through.
The meme thing mentioned is a big problem with TikTok. Viral sounds don't always credit the source, and someone else can gain so much off someone else's hard work that got nothing.
I think there is a strong argument that the streamers image is part of their brand and so there is actually already legal precedent for a lawsuit. It was established way back in the "Back To The Future" franchise when the actor who played George McFly sued them because they used his image as a prosthetic on a different actor or something.
Would recommend yall watching Healthygamergg's video on this. You can basically equate it to revenge p&!*#-- according to Bart's logic, as soon as you sleep w someone, you should be prepared for the risk that they're filming and might upload it somewhere afterwards-- just part of the territory! Sucks but that's part of intercourse-- vulnerability!!! ..... but that's so backwards because _no one_ signs up for that, and its completely unreasonable to expect people to basically never put their likeness on the internet ever, never sleep with anyone (in the case of revenge p) to prevent this from happening. Especially when you look at the traumatic effects that revenge p has (once again, cited in healthygamer's video)-- and can be extrapolated to deep fakes. Youre saying it's essentially "oh well!!". The law exists and rules exist and societal morals to fight against stuff like that. Oh well, you're getting robbed, shoulda had your three headed guard dogs step up. Oh well, what a craylzy world we live in, totally expected!! Joe & Steve's got this one. It's the likeness and the control over it.
He gave us an example of his own girl having a deep fake made of her , and they proceeded with their lives normally. He’s just giving us his opinion and perspective. The example you listed is a bad one. That person with the revenge porn can at least be punished. Who do you punish in these cases 🤷🏽♂️. It’s the internet and he expressed it sucks yeah but what can we really do besides control how we react. Not saying you specifically but people will always make him a villain.
Yea, while I am fully agree with joe and steve, Bart has a valid point that the internet shouldn't be compared to with real life, since, as soon as a picture of someone is uploaded to the internet, it potentially can get deepfaked (famous or not) so no matter what anyone does, even if it's very bad, we can't solve it (as much as we want to). Like the comment above, the difference with those examples you listed, is that we know who the perpetrator are, and they can be held accounted, but not the internet. The internet isn't just the one guy they caught making deepfake pornography, AND we don't know who they are, even if we can find them, there's countless, and there will be more. That literally the power of the internet and anonymity.
Yeah Im well aware and familiar of Bart's takes lol, and I dont blame him for them. A lot of the times I think hes saying the same thing others are, just... not entirely saw through to the end. He's not wrong that you cant do anything about it-- but once again, for date r!:#$ or relatuonshop intercourse and nonconsensual p that comes from it, no one ever gave permission for that to happen, and that makes it, at the core, not different from any other crime. Whether you can punish it is a different story ... and, even if there's thousands of people doing deepfakes, once again, does that mean we throw our hands up in the air and not punish them just because it's hard? Theres things called IPs, and even thiugh theres also things like VPNs and spoofing... those people are not always invisible. I think its really naive and defeatist to say that theres absolutely no way to catch /punish these people. And make everyone else afraid to post likeness on the inernet? Yeah, dont think thats really the viewpoint we want to take as a society that wants to function-- even if we're not really right now. It might be hard to find the person who rearended your car and drove away or date r@%#& you or broke into your house, but we dont just say that its inevitable and not try. The internet has traces. People may feel anonymous, but that doesnt mean they are making themselves so on the backend. Therefore, fundamentally .... there is _nothing_ different between nonconsensual p in real life and on the internet. Both are morally wrong, both people _can_ be caught for if we want them to. Like yall said, itd be great if in terms of reaction and coping mechanisms, people could try to take it from Bart that oh well, the possibility was always there,nbd, just like their girls did- but once again, this doesnt negate the fact that 51% of nonconsensual p victims have suicidal ideation (scholar google/Google search will cite where this stat is from). People may be fine today, but does that make what they go through okay? And just because their girls may be in the 49 percent.. does that mean we just accept the 51% as the result of an unfortunate reality and do nothing about it? Not replying to anything else, but highly recommend watching Healthygamergg's video on this. He's a licensed psychiatrist and has a nuanced take on the subject and explains why having limited compassion may be the case for some people reading about stories like these-- as well as the secondary victims of this type of thing-- the consumers of deep fakes. Highly recommend.
@@12345jli I think the difficulty is more so jurisdiction. The internet is not governed by any single jurisdiction. It's a global entity. Short of internet censorship the way China tries to implement, what's to stop someone from Russia creating a deepfake of an American streamer? There would need to be international cooperation and I think it's pretty well known that plenty of countries are not cooperative with the West. With your examples of revenge p, there is an identifiable culprit and a case for defamation done by that specific individual with intent. This identifiable culprit is much harder to find on the internet, and nigh impossible if they're international, while the intent for defamation would be up for debate as well.
I agree with Bart, I think also for their careers though, brand deals don’t like taking risks and therefore an opportunity that the individual could of had could be taken away from them by content that happened to get viral and they had no control over. Like the pam thing. That’s in a business point of view
Even though i don't agree with Bart, but i LOVE that he says his point with zero F's and even takes jabs at the opposition without fear of being canceled, like a convo between friends behind closed doors . Respect .
I mean I get what bart is saying and agree to a degree but then again we cannot just let it slide by saying oh it's the internet. Years ago women not getting to vote was a norm. Years ago slavery was the norm but somewhere at some point the conversation has to start and the action towards the right thing must be taken.
To be fair, their fanbase was really toxic at one point with the way they would talk about the girls that had been on the show. Even just a few months ago there would be people in Bart and Geo's vlog channel comment section literally begging Geo to start an OF before she gets "too old". And the other day there was one repeat offender who has said more than once that he wished Geo was married to David because 'he wouldn't take her sh1t and would put her in her place'. Which is probably why Bart has joked about "begging Geo to create an OF and having David be her manager". Yet some idiots actually believe it as truth vs that it is Bart just making a joke.
I understand but disagree on the Taika part. Hes a kid. He didnt consent to being monetized on the internet and now run the risk of being on the dark side of the internet. soooo I dont agree on that part. But I understand him understanding the risks associated with the job.
@@ProcrastinatinZombie That one takes a bit of common sense since he knows in reality that it would be taken down because it would be flagged because hes a kid. Some other part of me also thinks they meant if Taika saw barts deepfakes and could be interpreted in different ways if you are a long time viewer. Obviously its not okay either way but i like the expectations for what the internet is like but not supporting the acts itself. My take at least.
@@LeylzYT yeah he did mean it in that way or at least I see it that way of what he meant. I accidentally veered off or branched off based on what he said. my bad
I feel like arguing against deepfakes is a slippery slope since you can argue against anything thats even slightly immoral and if you don’t agree, your a hypocrite for valuing one immoral action more than another
To be fair, it is an "internet thing". But saying that makes it seem like you validate the creation of that type of content, which is why I stopped saying shit like that. However, shaming those who do choke their chicken to that kind of content is the least you can do in my opinion.
I appreciate the conversation but with Bart's point of view, yes the internet is wild, but he fails to realize the constant sexualization of women and girls from society and how that affects and still unfortunately, oppresses women. Most women have been sexualized by the time they were girls, some as young as 8, the majority are still minors. I think that just wears women down. It's like a constant never ending battle to be seen and respected as a person and not a sexual object. The women didn't consent to this so ethically and morally it is wrong and having such a passive view, of saying this is just the internet, that's how this problem has occurred for so long. You know what I mean? I'm not blaming Bart specifically, this is a societal and historical problem.
Carhartt should sponsor the crew since half of you have been wearing Carhartt gear. Good conversation. I can see Bart's point of view, and Ryan's as well. Steve explained it well, of the balance between the two pov.
i mean you cant blame him, unfortunately there is a lot of people who think that way. just look at twitter. A lot of people were defending the dude. That's why its good to have these discussions so people actually see different point of views and learn.
I understand Bart's point of view. He doesn't get super emotional and tries to think logically and knows objectively speaking this stuff happens all the time on the internet.
Not to sound insensitive about this, but how are these streamers finding out about this just now? Deepfakes has been going on since 2017. Where have they been?
They've always been aware of it and some have used their own money to take it down. It's more so the fact that another streamer within their community was counteracting their efforts publicly. This is what pushed it over the edge.
@@Sour_Patch_Kid_ sounds like bait. if i was a company that makes money from taking down deepfakes, i'll make sure there will always be more deepfakes to be taken down.
For Bart I get it, but I wonder how he'll feel if it was his son's face on a site for weird people who like kids? I'm pretty sure he would at least be pissed. I dislike that for people that seem not to care or see the issue, you always have make it hit home for them.
@@invertedcrayon What's the difference? They're both fucked and gross. I would've said Geo, but Bart would probably still feel the same because she's a public figure.
@@minty8429 Then he would be spending a crap ton on lawyer fees considering how many people on YT have taken snippets of JK's content and reworked it for their own channels. Some for fun, like James Rodolfo does as a tribute. Then there are others who do it out of spite and hatred, putting a false narrative on it, trying to make them look bad.
Sucks for the girls but Bart's right. Nobody can stop the internet. The cinderella girl is making things worse advertising deepfakes by crying about it. She's not wrong, but she isn't stopping anything.
honestly with bart on this one. once u put content of you on the internet on a public platform, its no longer truly your property. Anyone can do whatever with a picture of your face now.
Bart does care. He said as much in the video. He doesn't condone the deep fakes. If given a choice he wouldn't want them out there. Yet he is saying that he also understands the risks associated with making the choice to put yourself in the public eye knowing how the internet can be. Take your comment for instance, you automatically took only part of what he said in the video and assumed that he doesn't care. 🤨 That was his point, that you can't always control what people are going to say, do, towards you or think about you. Same as all the BS reddit crap of made up narratives about Joe, Bart and Geo. And the hater videos about them online. You go after one, another one will pop up to carryon the BS in their place, knowing how much it irks them.
Am I the only one that agrees with Bart 100%? I think everyone should just assume everything they see online is fake, if everything online can look real then nothing is real. Just discredit online nudes as all having a large chance of being fake so we can stop making a big deal when someone photoshops someone's head on a naked body.
I see both perspectives. Emotionally it sucks but logically speaking it can be so financially and time consuming trying to deal with every deepfake on the internet.
I completely agree with Bart as someone who also grew up seeing the internet come to be what it is without any expectations of what it is, what it'd become, etc. When you experience those times where nothing was censored, how it was completely anonymous, you become aware of how unstoppable it is. But nowadays, people experience it knowing how censored it can be and how you can take down someone's life and expose anyone, whether it's true or not. That said, it would have been nice to have a woman's perspective on this news and topic.
@Yo nice Paprika can you really do that. People will get off to whatever fucked up shit they want to get off to. BDSM was seen as extremely weird and fucked up in the 90s and 2000s, did that stop it. No. If anything, it probably boosted it because many people are excited by the taboo. Did making society view homosexual activity as gross and immoral stop people from experimenting with it. No. It doesn't work that way. People just hide it. The thing is though that on the internet you don't need to hide it. You are anonymous.
Female here, and I'm actually with Bart on this one...Once you step into the machine, you're not gonna have control over anything! So why are they surprised? YES, morally, it's disgusting, but also, that's not *ACTUALLY* me, it's fake! (and I'm not saying because I'm okay with it, they should too) also as they mentioned with the whole double standard shitty reality of things and STILL a conversation should happen and laws should be placed to stop them but like..why are they shocked it happened? *AGAIN* I'm not saying it's okay...
I think the real argument is how do we control the internet and where is the ethical and moral line that we have to draw before it becomes something like complete censorship... that's why I agree with bart 100%. fighting the internet is like fighting a natural disaster
This content right here, is what made “freedom of speech” possible and why it’s so important. Hear what others point of view is. Discuss what moral and ethics should, could and would be and figure out the best outcome is.
@@dynastyman36 exactly. That's what Poki has to deal with on daily basis. It's tough being a woman in this world. Thanks for the set up, thought no one would lay it up for me.
I think these conversations really expose who thinks more logically Vs emotionally. Emotionally yeah this is awful and it makes complete sense why soneone would be upset. Logically it's just one of those things you can't help and should probably ignore. Just like with Photoshop, society will reach a point where we understand this stuff is fake and it's no longer has exciting. Creeps will be less interested in deepfaking someone to mess with them and people won't see this stuff and immediately assume its real. We already accept that most celeb/modelling pictures we see are fake/Photoshopped
Always trust Bart to have ZERO empathy for the victims. Of course, it doesn’t bother you Bart but it will for the other people like your family and friends.
It is not that it doesn't bother him. He doesn't like it, doesn't agree with it and doesn't condone it as he said in the video when he agreed with what Steve was saying. Yet he feels it would be a never ending battle trying to fight it because people can be AH and even if they get one deep fake maker to take the images down, there will be another one posting something else the next day. He was also being logical in the fact that people have and will do whatever they want with someone's images, content, likeness, once it is out their for public view no matter who they are, without seeking someone's consent first. Like the subreddit they mentioned with all the made up BS that people have been spreading around about them. And the hater videos made using snippets of their videos with some made up narrative being splashed onto it without their consent. His approach is the practical side about realizing you can't control what everyone says, does, speaks or thinks about you. Your comment and view of what you think is case in point of that. Bart does have empathy. He has also learned to look at things from a logical/practical place vs an emotional one, the same way he did when he held off on letting the crew know that his father had passed till after they were done doing days of filming.
@@bethnichols2875 I genuinely think that Bart didnt actually know why it was wrong to deep fakes streamers when he asked them. His whole point of saying that it’s the internet so shit happens shows that he lack empathy for the victims. No shit this kind of shit happens on the internet, everyone knows that. That doesn’t mean you don’t talk about it and prevent it from happening.
@@dennisxiong7373 And he did talk about it, in the video, with the rest of the crew and after hearing their pov on it he agreed with them. SO quit saying that he lacks empathy for the victims. Bart has resigned himself to the fact that you can't always control what others are going to say or do with their images and content, like those that take snippets of JK's videos and post them online, taking things out of context, and putting a false narrative on them, trying to make them look bad. Or what BS is going to be made up about them without any bases of truth or proof being involved and being put in subreddits and comment sections.(case in point your own comment) That you can't always control what others are going to say or do towards you. You can only control how you react to it. People have even gone so far as to post Bart and Geo's actual real life address from their first Vegas home in their vlog channel comment section, when they were in the process of trying to sell it. When I called the person out about it, the person said "they put their lives online and out into the public so it shouldn't matter that I put their address online". Seems someone had found the realtor listing and put it on reddit for anyone to see. I can understand Bart and Geo not taking a public emotional stance about it, because it would be giving the trolls and haters what they want, to have it consume their lives and getting the satisfaction of their reaction. It doesn't mean it doesn't bother them or that they don't care. Bart said that himself and said that people making deep fakes is wrong.
@10:58 Try actually listening without your bias towards Bart getting in the way. Mr. "Always trust Bart to have Zero empathy". That is the problem when one speaks in absolutes.🤨
@@bethnichols2875 so child porn exist in the internet but there are laws that bans this. Your genius idea to tackle these issues are to just deal with it and not let it affect you? Lol. I bet Bart will have a totally different perspective if his son was used as a tool on the internet for profit. It’s not the victim’s responsibility to accept what is happening to them. Fuck the people doing that to them period.
Bart is a good person. He didn't say he condones the deep fakes, nor did he say he agrees with it. He is resigned by the fact that people will say or do whatever they want with people's images online. And that people will say whatever they want about someone, making assumptions about their character or making up their own narrative with fake BS about people. No matter who they are. Your comments are case in point of that.🤨 Same as the subreddit BS they were referring to. And the hater videos online about them too. Where people will make up crap without any grain of proof or truth being involved. The laws don't do much to help with this kind of thing, and esp. not back when Bart and his friends found out about the deep fakes made about their wives. He was basically saying that for him and Geo, personally, they have come to terms with the fact that they can't control what people will do with their images or content, and/or what people will make up about them and post online. He doesn't like it, yet they have chosen to not let it affect their lives, or at the very least not show online if it bothers them. That would be the equivalent of giving the haters what they want,... the satisfaction of their reaction.
I still find it crazy that JKNews had Pokimane on the channel in the past
It was kinda random because no one thought that would ever happen. Shes def one of their best girl cast that they brought in. Really funny and talkative
They all have great connections
and it wasn't that long ago
Same. I feel like they should collab. Jknews and OfflineTv are similar in my eyes.
wait why? whats wrong with her now?
All the people who have a problem with Barts opinion don’t understand that he is not someone to get outraged or emotional in general. You have no right to expect someone to be cancelled and demonized because they don’t share your own feeling of outrage. Bart is a realist and accepts things as they come. The man’s father killed himself and Bart showed up to work and shot videos for hours and hours for Christ sake. This does not make him Evil.
I think people that may not like Bart's take are those who think he is condoning this shit. Bart is passing a judgement on if it's morally, ethically or legally acceptable. He is simply saying that, in HIS mind, this is something he expects. I'm sure he's all for making and enforcing laws against it, but that's a different conversation. His input was essentially, don't walk through the worst neighborhood at night, without expecting the possibility of something bad happening, like getting mugged or killed. The people who don't like what he said hear it as "it's ok to mug and kill people who walk through the worst neighborhood at night".
I think they just don't like how Bart is to real and logical and makes it look like he's not thinking about the emotional aspect of it but he does have a point about fighting a losing battle.
He’s also a marine so usually that’s their mindset and some don’t grow out of that.
why people are so focused on bart when a big issue can arise in asia
north america and europe aren't that conservative societies but asia has very conservative societies
impact of deepfakes on average women in those conservative societies might have a much more bad effect
@@Rocko2552wait whats thia whole he came to work when his dad killed himself? Did he say that while filming that day?
Internet may be the internet, but consent is consent. So if there was no consent given to use their faces/likeness, it's flat out wrong and they should be sued.
Interesting conversation. Even though I understand Bart's point and that it may be difficult to prevent this type of thing from happening on the internet, I think we should still aim towards fighting for what is morally right, which in this case is discouraging the use of deepfakes and calling out people who are helping it survive, like this twitch streamer. Like what Joe said, the legal line is still a bit murky considering how long it takes for protective laws to catch up to technology; but on the moral side of things, it should be deemed unacceptable and disgraceful behavior.
Because it’s unacceptable and disgusting
Thank you for putting it more eloquently than I could
Bart’s point sounds like he’s trying to say it’s better to not allow what the internet does affect your mind
Bart is right tho. The internet is (almost) unstoppable. And the more you fight it sometimes the stronger it gets like the Streisand effect.
I totally agree. Well said.
honestly, im a big fan of videos like this with such deep discussions and different angles and perspectives on it. mad respect for all the guys being so open and respectful of everyone's opinions on different topics and such. good vid as always!
For anyone saying "what's the big deal, its not actually them" or "we can't do anything about it so..." if you had a daughter you could care more.
If i have a daughter i hope she's not a streamer, if she is... i hope i raise her not to be so sensitive, eaven more in the internet lol
@@nmhjjpCan happen even if they aren't a streamer dude
Thank you for making the points: THESE FEMALE CREATORS PAY OUT OF POCKET TO REMOVE THIS KIND OF UNCONSENTED MATERIAL and WOMEN ARE ALWAYS SEGGSUALIZED WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. It’s not like a meme, it’s not like a bad joke, it’s quite literally not allowing us to have rights to our own privacy and our bodily autonomy. It shouldn’t be normalized and if it seems normal it’s because men make it seem no big deal it should be expected, that is the patriarchy. There’s pages dedicated to leaking private information of women and they don’t know. Instead of saying it happens we should still try to fight things like this so we start to have consequences for these actions. I’ll never understand what makes non-consensual behavior okay. On what Ryan said- yes we should ostracize those who do these things. I appreciate all the boys for being the Allies they are, Bart I understand but, Bruv. THANK YOU STEVE FOR BEING A REAL ONE FOR CALLING OUT EVERY POINT.
Same sentiments. Steve gets it. As for Bart, I understand why he feels that way, but that's just letting the bad things slide, because "that's the way it is." Just because bad things happen on the internet, doesn't mean we have to be okay with it.
"we have a fairly toxic fanbase" 😂😂
I think it also really effects these women’s bottom lines. Some sponsors aren’t smart enough/ won’t really look into seeing if the deepfake is real or not and just avoid them all together. It also feeds into that weird obsession some fans have with streams. That’s why a lot of them hire security for events and gatherings.
Other Egirls do more harm. All of these girls sell sexuality to their simps.
Yeah that they are in a parasocial relationship with the streamer.
This story was wild, everything that could go wrong for him, did. Not only did he get exposed for watching it on stream, he also paid for it, and its is practically his close friends and colleagues.
Well do women really consists as “friends” I mean you’re friends with people but women.....
@@yonicepaprika7534 ???
@@yonicepaprika7534 bro you good? Yes females can be friends.
It's not that wild. To me this is a no shit moment. I mean I don't know any of these people but there are a shit ton of hypocrites out there including you and me to some level. So this is not very surprising.
@@yonicepaprika7534 just cause you cant make friends with chicks dont mean we cant incel.
For anyone upset with Bart, y'all must have missed 9:25-9:37 (also around 11min mark).
Pretty clear that he never said he's "opposing" anything. It's just that it's inevitable to stop something that'll keep happening. The JK Subreddit for example (which is mentioned in this vid as well) will keep coming back.
HUGE difference between being against something and understanding the reality of the situation; it's a never ending battle once the door is opened.
We are upset on how bart is thinking on why normal people gets upset when they’ve been victimize by deepfakes, as if its “normal” that you got victimized by all the bs on the internet because “its the internet” thats not how it works
What’s the subreddit?
@@dynastyman36 a sub were haters complain about everything wrong with jk. It’s an interesting read.
@@Stephensouraski That’s not bad I thought it was some deepfake thing
@@muddapeople I can understand that. However to be fair, he isn't justifying the situation by saying it's normal. He is pointing out the harsh reality that it's a reoccuring thing since the internet is the way it is. He didn't say the victims are wrong either. It's more of an understanding that it's inevitable. Like I said in my original comment, the subreddit for example. They've been thru it, and will continue to keep doing so.
How am I supposed to focus on serious conversations about serious issues when 17:27 comes out of line? 😂😂
Can we appreciate how much of an ally Steve really is. Loved the conversation today guys!
Fakes have damn near always existed, deepfakes just takes it to another level.
Fake photos have been around for a long ass time. Neither are acceptable though.
i disagree with bart on this one being memed, criticised, clowned on bullied etc is a consequence of being a public figure and expected, however being framed for sexual acts/porn isnt something someone signs up for or even expects to happen ever
There are male streamers who've been deep faked as well. From what MoistCritical said, its getting to the point that its so good how do we know what's real/not real when they leak. This can impact someone's carrer so hard.
I just saw a story of a asian woman who's life was impacted by a meme (which was lies) It was the "cant hid your genetics ad" she was a successful model to not even getting odd jobs years after. The impact of the internet goes far
I love these topics where everyone isn’t immediately on the same page with the same take and there’s a genuine discussion, y’all never fail to deliver. Although the situation is unfortunate and kind of a disaster, I’m a huge fan of Atrioc and his content so I hope this doesn’t completely dismantle his online presence.
I get what barts saying but just because we'll never stop people from putting others into nonconsensual pornography, doesn't mean it's a pointless battle. We'll also never stop human sex trafficking, but it's definitely worth a try. Forcing others to do a sexual act for only your financial benefit, even if it's just superimposing their face into sexual content, is incredibly violating and damaging to people and our society overall.
Trolls can come into these female streamers' chat and start harassing them, thinking it's funny. I think it was QT who explained that, but don't quote me on that.
Edit: it was XQC
Problem is like y'all do know this can affect day to day women who arent celebs or online creators regardless we're all human. It's making sexual content of us without permission. We should at least have a say some people dgaf and others do
Hear me out, not that they dont feel bad, but their threshold is at a different level. The equivalent has to be something they never want to be known for, something that they would be ashamed of and ruin their career. Like if there was childporn/incest deep fake of Bart. He would lose all sponsership, people would be disgusted by him and he would feel horrified that there is something like this out there that looks so real. That is how a women feels and should never have done to them no matter how close they live to the ocean. I understand what Bart means but also balance it with a humanizing perspective too. Which is why people might take his take the wrong way.
Bart is just trying not to sound mean. The real message is people on the internet are fucked up and do whatever they want.
Doesn't matter if it's good or bad, they will get away with it.
You could say that about crime as well. There will always be f-uped people doing crime. You can't get rid of it completely. There will always people doing bad stuff. But that doesn't mean people shouldnt try to do something about it.
Great discussion! Love the comedy but these deeper discussions are good too.
Patreons going to save this sinking ship by making them talking about news rightaway not three months late. In my opinion that's what keeping JK from growing beside youtube keeping F ing them with rules
As Anthony said in the Monterey Park video, their video schedule is in part based on when they happen to be together filming since they film every 2 weeks.
Dang fanbase is toxic
@@KissKissCthulhu I don't really mean it, just horsing around. Been watching since ask the feels. My favorite era is JK party. I'm still watching JKN. They are about to hit 2 mills. Happy for them
Just because something *can* happen, doesn't mean it *should* happen. I think a lot of people don't really consider that enough, unfortunately.
I just watched the Pam Anderson documentary, and it really ruined her career. Her kids are so awesome, and it was the very first sex tape scandal ever. She's just NOW at 60, starting to try and build a career again. She starred recently as Roxie in Chicago. So I'm really hoping she will find a happy life again. I also wonder how Seth Rogan feels exploiting her once again. She said she never watched the tape, and she refused to watch the Tommy and Pam Netflix show as well. They offered 5 million for the tape, and she refused money way back when.
The really sad thing is it sounds like she was put in a position where it was going to be released no matter what she did. Like the person in possession of the tape was trying to blackmail/extort her and painted her into a corner in a no win situation regarding the sex tape being released. Like either pay up and release it yourself or we will release it anyways.
@@bethnichols2875 absolutely
@Beth Nichols there was an interview tonight that I saw with her and her son. He directed her new documentary. I guess he's in finance, and he said to the interviewer, " Do you know she only makes $4,000 an episode to this day off from the reruns of Baywatch and she was the biggest star there", and she goes " honey it's not about the money, I'll live in a box idc" and he's like " see that's just how positive she's always been, I don't believe it's fair and they won't be getting away with it if I have anything else to say about it". Her boys are pretty amazing, and I hope that sweet soul of hers gets retribution for everything Hollywood put her through.
@@GYSMelanie5 Hopefully. God works a plan for our good after all.
The meme thing mentioned is a big problem with TikTok. Viral sounds don't always credit the source, and someone else can gain so much off someone else's hard work that got nothing.
Exactly
I think there is a strong argument that the streamers image is part of their brand and so there is actually already legal precedent for a lawsuit. It was established way back in the "Back To The Future" franchise when the actor who played George McFly sued them because they used his image as a prosthetic on a different actor or something.
He Got Caught in 4K!!!!😂 😂 😂 😂
Would recommend yall watching Healthygamergg's video on this. You can basically equate it to revenge p&!*#-- according to Bart's logic, as soon as you sleep w someone, you should be prepared for the risk that they're filming and might upload it somewhere afterwards-- just part of the territory! Sucks but that's part of intercourse-- vulnerability!!! ..... but that's so backwards because _no one_ signs up for that, and its completely unreasonable to expect people to basically never put their likeness on the internet ever, never sleep with anyone (in the case of revenge p) to prevent this from happening. Especially when you look at the traumatic effects that revenge p has (once again, cited in healthygamer's video)-- and can be extrapolated to deep fakes. Youre saying it's essentially "oh well!!". The law exists and rules exist and societal morals to fight against stuff like that. Oh well, you're getting robbed, shoulda had your three headed guard dogs step up. Oh well, what a craylzy world we live in, totally expected!! Joe & Steve's got this one. It's the likeness and the control over it.
He gave us an example of his own girl having a deep fake made of her , and they proceeded with their lives normally. He’s just giving us his opinion and perspective. The example you listed is a bad one. That person with the revenge porn can at least be punished. Who do you punish in these cases 🤷🏽♂️. It’s the internet and he expressed it sucks yeah but what can we really do besides control how we react. Not saying you specifically but people will always make him a villain.
Yea, while I am fully agree with joe and steve, Bart has a valid point that the internet shouldn't be compared to with real life, since, as soon as a picture of someone is uploaded to the internet, it potentially can get deepfaked (famous or not) so no matter what anyone does, even if it's very bad, we can't solve it (as much as we want to). Like the comment above, the difference with those examples you listed, is that we know who the perpetrator are, and they can be held accounted, but not the internet. The internet isn't just the one guy they caught making deepfake pornography, AND we don't know who they are, even if we can find them, there's countless, and there will be more. That literally the power of the internet and anonymity.
Yeah Im well aware and familiar of Bart's takes lol, and I dont blame him for them. A lot of the times I think hes saying the same thing others are, just... not entirely saw through to the end. He's not wrong that you cant do anything about it-- but once again, for date r!:#$ or relatuonshop intercourse and nonconsensual p that comes from it, no one ever gave permission for that to happen, and that makes it, at the core, not different from any other crime. Whether you can punish it is a different story
... and, even if there's thousands of people doing deepfakes, once again, does that mean we throw our hands up in the air and not punish them just because it's hard? Theres things called IPs, and even thiugh theres also things like VPNs and spoofing... those people are not always invisible. I think its really naive and defeatist to say that theres absolutely no way to catch /punish these people. And make everyone else afraid to post likeness on the inernet? Yeah, dont think thats really the viewpoint we want to take as a society that wants to function-- even if we're not really right now. It might be hard to find the person who rearended your car and drove away or date r@%#& you or broke into your house, but we dont just say that its inevitable and not try. The internet has traces. People may feel anonymous, but that doesnt mean they are making themselves so on the backend.
Therefore, fundamentally .... there is _nothing_ different between nonconsensual p in real life and on the internet. Both are morally wrong, both people _can_ be caught for if we want them to.
Like yall said, itd be great if in terms of reaction and coping mechanisms, people could try to take it from Bart that oh well, the possibility was always there,nbd, just like their girls did- but once again, this doesnt negate the fact that 51% of nonconsensual p victims have suicidal ideation (scholar google/Google search will cite where this stat is from). People may be fine today, but does that make what they go through okay? And just because their girls may be in the 49 percent.. does that mean we just accept the 51% as the result of an unfortunate reality and do nothing about it?
Not replying to anything else, but highly recommend watching Healthygamergg's video on this. He's a licensed psychiatrist and has a nuanced take on the subject and explains why having limited compassion may be the case for some people reading about stories like these-- as well as the secondary victims of this type of thing-- the consumers of deep fakes. Highly recommend.
@@12345jli I think the difficulty is more so jurisdiction. The internet is not governed by any single jurisdiction. It's a global entity. Short of internet censorship the way China tries to implement, what's to stop someone from Russia creating a deepfake of an American streamer? There would need to be international cooperation and I think it's pretty well known that plenty of countries are not cooperative with the West. With your examples of revenge p, there is an identifiable culprit and a case for defamation done by that specific individual with intent. This identifiable culprit is much harder to find on the internet, and nigh impossible if they're international, while the intent for defamation would be up for debate as well.
Lmaoooo a fairly toxic fan base 4:05
This blows my mind that Bart and I have basically the same mind set on this.
Thanks for giving me something to watch tonight. Killin' it as always 🔥
deepfake vids? jk
wassup my nikka
I agree with Bart, I think also for their careers though, brand deals don’t like taking risks and therefore an opportunity that the individual could of had could be taken away from them by content that happened to get viral and they had no control over. Like the pam thing.
That’s in a business point of view
Even though i don't agree with Bart, but i LOVE that he says his point with zero F's and even takes jabs at the opposition without fear of being canceled, like a convo between friends behind closed doors . Respect .
I mean I get what bart is saying and agree to a degree but then again we cannot just let it slide by saying oh it's the internet. Years ago women not getting to vote was a norm. Years ago slavery was the norm but somewhere at some point the conversation has to start and the action towards the right thing must be taken.
Hey Bart, or anyone in the comments, what is the name of the black watch he is wearing?? It looks so good.
I’m always one of the first ones to watch your new videos but I forget to comment or like because I’m so distracted watching the video 😭😂
It's funny how they talk about the toxic fans
what about it?
To be fair, their fanbase was really toxic at one point with the way they would talk about the girls that had been on the show. Even just a few months ago there would be people in Bart and Geo's vlog channel comment section literally begging Geo to start an OF before she gets "too old". And the other day there was one repeat offender who has said more than once that he wished Geo was married to David because 'he wouldn't take her sh1t and would put her in her place'. Which is probably why Bart has joked about "begging Geo to create an OF and having David be her manager". Yet some idiots actually believe it as truth vs that it is Bart just making a joke.
@@Dave_of_Mordor the comment section on the older videos use to be so bad, I wouldn't even scrolled down and read them bc they were so negative.
The infamous chad
They ballin with that carhartt lolol
Imagine not going to free forums for deep fake corn lol
Bart is a perfect example of a typical dude on the internet thats been getting blasted for these opinions 😂
I could see both sides, it’s the Internet since the early 2000’s ppl would photoshop etc. not sayings it’s right
I understand but disagree on the Taika part. Hes a kid. He didnt consent to being monetized on the internet and now run the risk of being on the dark side of the internet. soooo I dont agree on that part. But I understand him understanding the risks associated with the job.
@@ProcrastinatinZombie That one takes a bit of common sense since he knows in reality that it would be taken down because it would be flagged because hes a kid. Some other part of me also thinks they meant if Taika saw barts deepfakes and could be interpreted in different ways if you are a long time viewer. Obviously its not okay either way but i like the expectations for what the internet is like but not supporting the acts itself. My take at least.
@@LeylzYT yeah he did mean it in that way or at least I see it that way of what he meant. I accidentally veered off or branched off based on what he said. my bad
I feel like arguing against deepfakes is a slippery slope since you can argue against anything thats even slightly immoral and if you don’t agree, your a hypocrite for valuing one immoral action more than another
To be fair, it is an "internet thing". But saying that makes it seem like you validate the creation of that type of content, which is why I stopped saying shit like that. However, shaming those who do choke their chicken to that kind of content is the least you can do in my opinion.
I wish y’all would link the episodes to the damn short! I want to watch this but I don’t know which vid it is
Bart the GOAT. It should try to be fought but at the end of the day- it comes w the territory
This was wild on lsf and twt 😵💫
Who doesn't fantasize about celebrities? Even random hot girls/guys that walk by
Wise words - “Spank bank it”
I appreciate the conversation but with Bart's point of view, yes the internet is wild, but he fails to realize the constant sexualization of women and girls from society and how that affects and still unfortunately, oppresses women. Most women have been sexualized by the time they were girls, some as young as 8, the majority are still minors. I think that just wears women down. It's like a constant never ending battle to be seen and respected as a person and not a sexual object. The women didn't consent to this so ethically and morally it is wrong and having such a passive view, of saying this is just the internet, that's how this problem has occurred for so long. You know what I mean? I'm not blaming Bart specifically, this is a societal and historical problem.
Nick saying martyr🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣thats why he and Steve are my favourite 🤣🤣🤣they are funny without even knowing.
lol the way Bart whipped around and looked at him like 'dude, wtf?' I keep replaying that reaction.
Can't stop the signal
It's Rule 34, if it exists, then they've made porn from it lol
Bart makes a strong point @7:00
Carhartt should sponsor the crew since half of you have been wearing Carhartt gear. Good conversation. I can see Bart's point of view, and Ryan's as well. Steve explained it well, of the balance between the two pov.
And Costco too.
I would love that
Also it's these conversations that really solidify my love for y'all.
Lmaooo knew Bart wasn’t gonna get it 😅
i mean you cant blame him, unfortunately there is a lot of people who think that way. just look at twitter. A lot of people were defending the dude. That's why its good to have these discussions so people actually see different point of views and learn.
Agree with Bart 100%
I understand Bart's point of view. He doesn't get super emotional and tries to think logically and knows objectively speaking this stuff happens all the time on the internet.
SHOUTOUT CHADVENTURES!
Deep fake of Anthony in a 🌈 🌽 video incoming.
Not to sound insensitive about this, but how are these streamers finding out about this just now? Deepfakes has been going on since 2017. Where have they been?
this incident happened this week lol
They knew about it, but barely anybody knew how bad it was until all this new attention
They've always been aware of it and some have used their own money to take it down. It's more so the fact that another streamer within their community was counteracting their efforts publicly. This is what pushed it over the edge.
@@Sour_Patch_Kid_ sounds like bait. if i was a company that makes money from taking down deepfakes, i'll make sure there will always be more deepfakes to be taken down.
@@fullyactivated Thanks sherlock
For Bart I get it, but I wonder how he'll feel if it was his son's face on a site for weird people who like kids? I'm pretty sure he would at least be pissed. I dislike that for people that seem not to care or see the issue, you always have make it hit home for them.
you're comparing literally cp to deepfakes/ rule 34. Find a better comparison lmao
@@invertedcrayon What's the difference? They're both fucked and gross. I would've said Geo, but Bart would probably still feel the same because she's a public figure.
@@thalunizz21 the fact that you cant see the difference says a lot lmao
@@invertedcrayon Are you on the spectrum or something? I get what they mean. He's just trying to make it more relatable to him.
@@invertedcrayon Are you really this clueless? Putting his son's face on someone else is still deepfake. You understand this right??
Can we have pokimane come back as a guest?!
I think it's time for a catch up "hot seat"!
Personally i wouldn't care if people made deep fakes of me just give me the revenue bro
I'm surprised Bart wouldn't sue if someone used his likeness for monetary gain.
@@minty8429 Then he would be spending a crap ton on lawyer fees considering how many people on YT have taken snippets of JK's content and reworked it for their own channels. Some for fun, like James Rodolfo does as a tribute. Then there are others who do it out of spite and hatred, putting a false narrative on it, trying to make them look bad.
"accidentally"
yeah yeah sure sure
Love!
Sucks for the girls but Bart's right. Nobody can stop the internet. The cinderella girl is making things worse advertising deepfakes by crying about it. She's not wrong, but she isn't stopping anything.
She did threaten to sue the guy during the livestream and the next day the dude took down all of the content, so it was a good thing for her to do.
If your a public figure I think you don’t have legal ground.
who gives a f?
honestly with bart on this one. once u put content of you on the internet on a public platform, its no longer truly your property. Anyone can do whatever with a picture of your face now.
Until people start getting sued.
yeah until you get a misdemeanor for cyberbullying, extortion and defamation.
@@cheesesnax2 honestly I don't think it's possible to police the internet. This beast is greater than all of us. We are not in control.
Bart is right. Its the internet. Plus this stuff has been happening even before the internet started. Its a hard battle to fight.
No comment.
You should care Bart. Of course it is the Internet. BUT you should still voice against this behaviour and not just be blasé about the situation.
.....it's definitely not okay......
But it's the internet.....
Bart does care. He said as much in the video. He doesn't condone the deep fakes. If given a choice he wouldn't want them out there. Yet he is saying that he also understands the risks associated with making the choice to put yourself in the public eye knowing how the internet can be. Take your comment for instance, you automatically took only part of what he said in the video and assumed that he doesn't care. 🤨 That was his point, that you can't always control what people are going to say, do, towards you or think about you. Same as all the BS reddit crap of made up narratives about Joe, Bart and Geo. And the hater videos about them online. You go after one, another one will pop up to carryon the BS in their place, knowing how much it irks them.
louis ck asked if he could beat it before doing it? lol the only thing maybe questionable would be the power dynamics.
Am I the only one that agrees with Bart 100%? I think everyone should just assume everything they see online is fake, if everything online can look real then nothing is real. Just discredit online nudes as all having a large chance of being fake so we can stop making a big deal when someone photoshops someone's head on a naked body.
I see both perspectives. Emotionally it sucks but logically speaking it can be so financially and time consuming trying to deal with every deepfake on the internet.
Big A nooooo!
I completely agree with Bart as someone who also grew up seeing the internet come to be what it is without any expectations of what it is, what it'd become, etc.
When you experience those times where nothing was censored, how it was completely anonymous, you become aware of how unstoppable it is.
But nowadays, people experience it knowing how censored it can be and how you can take down someone's life and expose anyone, whether it's true or not.
That said, it would have been nice to have a woman's perspective on this news and topic.
Embarassing as shit, damn
18:45 thats mindcrime
Is it bad that I get Barts side…. ? Not saying it’s right but since the early 2000’s they’ve been photoshopping etc etc just my take
Yes, you are horrible!
Jk. Honestly though there's nothing wrong with thinking logically about the situation.
"Rule 34 is an Internet meme which claims that Internet pornography exists concerning every conceivable topic"
The point is to fight against that so it’s not norm
@Yo nice Paprika can you really do that. People will get off to whatever fucked up shit they want to get off to. BDSM was seen as extremely weird and fucked up in the 90s and 2000s, did that stop it. No. If anything, it probably boosted it because many people are excited by the taboo. Did making society view homosexual activity as gross and immoral stop people from experimenting with it. No. It doesn't work that way. People just hide it. The thing is though that on the internet you don't need to hide it. You are anonymous.
Female here, and I'm actually with Bart on this one...Once you step into the machine, you're not gonna have control over anything! So why are they surprised? YES, morally, it's disgusting, but also, that's not *ACTUALLY* me, it's fake! (and I'm not saying because I'm okay with it, they should too) also as they mentioned with the whole double standard shitty reality of things and STILL a conversation should happen and laws should be placed to stop them but like..why are they shocked it happened? *AGAIN* I'm not saying it's okay...
shoutout to elysian
Lol, a bunch of simps and Bart dropping the truth. Hilarious video.
I think the real argument is how do we control the internet and where is the ethical and moral line that we have to draw before it becomes something like complete censorship... that's why I agree with bart 100%. fighting the internet is like fighting a natural disaster
This content right here, is what made “freedom of speech” possible and why it’s so important. Hear what others point of view is. Discuss what moral and ethics should, could and would be and figure out the best outcome is.
that has not a single thing to do with "freedom of speech" lmaooo
If you want morality please be moral yourself…….
Welcome to life and welcome to the internet. Its not all sunshine and rainbows.
Reminder everyone like this shit for algorithm
Why he look like booby lee?
Rip the best subreddit
What's the site?
He was crying because now he's worried his favourite site will get shutdown. 😂
Pokimane is like every dream wifey for Muslims and incels. She's the perfect Mother in Law pleasing woman.
That’s some jihad shit right there
@@dynastyman36 exactly. That's what Poki has to deal with on daily basis. It's tough being a woman in this world.
Thanks for the set up, thought no one would lay it up for me.
I think these conversations really expose who thinks more logically Vs emotionally. Emotionally yeah this is awful and it makes complete sense why soneone would be upset. Logically it's just one of those things you can't help and should probably ignore. Just like with Photoshop, society will reach a point where we understand this stuff is fake and it's no longer has exciting. Creeps will be less interested in deepfaking someone to mess with them and people won't see this stuff and immediately assume its real. We already accept that most celeb/modelling pictures we see are fake/Photoshopped
Bruh, I will move to China use vpn and deepfake the most prominent female influencers??? Isn’t that an idea?🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I agree with Bart
Always trust Bart to have ZERO empathy for the victims. Of course, it doesn’t bother you Bart but it will for the other people like your family and friends.
It is not that it doesn't bother him. He doesn't like it, doesn't agree with it and doesn't condone it as he said in the video when he agreed with what Steve was saying. Yet he feels it would be a never ending battle trying to fight it because people can be AH and even if they get one deep fake maker to take the images down, there will be another one posting something else the next day. He was also being logical in the fact that people have and will do whatever they want with someone's images, content, likeness, once it is out their for public view no matter who they are, without seeking someone's consent first. Like the subreddit they mentioned with all the made up BS that people have been spreading around about them. And the hater videos made using snippets of their videos with some made up narrative being splashed onto it without their consent. His approach is the practical side about realizing you can't control what everyone says, does, speaks or thinks about you. Your comment and view of what you think is case in point of that. Bart does have empathy. He has also learned to look at things from a logical/practical place vs an emotional one, the same way he did when he held off on letting the crew know that his father had passed till after they were done doing days of filming.
@@bethnichols2875 I genuinely think that Bart didnt actually know why it was wrong to deep fakes streamers when he asked them. His whole point of saying that it’s the internet so shit happens shows that he lack empathy for the victims. No shit this kind of shit happens on the internet, everyone knows that. That doesn’t mean you don’t talk about it and prevent it from happening.
@@dennisxiong7373 And he did talk about it, in the video, with the rest of the crew and after hearing their pov on it he agreed with them. SO quit saying that he lacks empathy for the victims. Bart has resigned himself to the fact that you can't always control what others are going to say or do with their images and content, like those that take snippets of JK's videos and post them online, taking things out of context, and putting a false narrative on them, trying to make them look bad. Or what BS is going to be made up about them without any bases of truth or proof being involved and being put in subreddits and comment sections.(case in point your own comment) That you can't always control what others are going to say or do towards you. You can only control how you react to it. People have even gone so far as to post Bart and Geo's actual real life address from their first Vegas home in their vlog channel comment section, when they were in the process of trying to sell it. When I called the person out about it, the person said "they put their lives online and out into the public so it shouldn't matter that I put their address online". Seems someone had found the realtor listing and put it on reddit for anyone to see. I can understand Bart and Geo not taking a public emotional stance about it, because it would be giving the trolls and haters what they want, to have it consume their lives and getting the satisfaction of their reaction. It doesn't mean it doesn't bother them or that they don't care. Bart said that himself and said that people making deep fakes is wrong.
@10:58 Try actually listening without your bias towards Bart getting in the way. Mr. "Always trust Bart to have Zero empathy". That is the problem when one speaks in absolutes.🤨
@@bethnichols2875 so child porn exist in the internet but there are laws that bans this. Your genius idea to tackle these issues are to just deal with it and not let it affect you? Lol. I bet Bart will have a totally different perspective if his son was used as a tool on the internet for profit. It’s not the victim’s responsibility to accept what is happening to them. Fuck the people doing that to them period.
Chestnuuuuts...🤣🤣
I’m finally accepting the fact that Bart is just not a good person.
This and the grape stuff he did in the military
I dont think thinking logically makes you a bad person. Just a different person. Not everyone is emotionally attached.
Bart is a good person. He didn't say he condones the deep fakes, nor did he say he agrees with it. He is resigned by the fact that people will say or do whatever they want with people's images online. And that people will say whatever they want about someone, making assumptions about their character or making up their own narrative with fake BS about people. No matter who they are. Your comments are case in point of that.🤨 Same as the subreddit BS they were referring to. And the hater videos online about them too. Where people will make up crap without any grain of proof or truth being involved. The laws don't do much to help with this kind of thing, and esp. not back when Bart and his friends found out about the deep fakes made about their wives. He was basically saying that for him and Geo, personally, they have come to terms with the fact that they can't control what people will do with their images or content, and/or what people will make up about them and post online. He doesn't like it, yet they have chosen to not let it affect their lives, or at the very least not show online if it bothers them. That would be the equivalent of giving the haters what they want,... the satisfaction of their reaction.