Toilet Flush - Increase Flushing Power for Kohler Canister
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- For toilets with 3 ¼" flush valves, you can noticeably increase the power of the flush by holding down the handle longer.
I spoke to Kohler and the valves are set at the factory to limit the volume of water used. The only things you can change are the height of the water in the tank and the slack from the handle to the connection to the flush valve. Once you have adjusted these to the best levels, the only thing you can do to increase the flush power, is to hold down the handle longer.
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This video is old AF. I have this issue with my Kohler water saving toilet. I started searching for options today and this video came up recommended. It basically told me what I already found out. Now in 2021 I'm thinking of swapping out this old style flush canister for the old style flusher with the plunger and float. Thank you for this video 9 years in advance for the problem I'm having now. LOL!!!
I just did that for a customer, swapped out 3 flush canisters for the flush valves with flappers
Love mine‼️ No problems
@@am3rikan84 I think that's a good fix. Is the tank hole size the same?
This advice still holds ten years later. Plumber just installed a Kohler Canister type toilet and I thought that the installer did not adjust the flush volume correctly and was about to call him back until I found this video. As in the video, the water level in the tank was at the canister fill line, so no adjustment needed with the screw mechanism. But there was only a small amount of water in the toilet bowl, and our hold toilet held much more. I tried the hold the handle down longer technique and indeed, more flush water left the holding tank and at the end the toilet bowl water level itself was higher. Problem solved! I did see that the physics of the water entering the bowl after a flush can handle most solids even with the smaller volume. Very helpful video.
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I'm a female and my Dad was a plumber back in the day...he taught me a lot. So I happen to have this type of Kohler toilet.
I did exactly that before I saw your video. Now your video has confirmed that I am doing the right thing. Thanks!!!
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For anybody interested - we have these canister flushes in our Kohlers and the flush kept getting weaker.
Chain length is good, and tank fill right to the top of the canister - no leaking/running.
We have terrible water in this town, and sure enough - when I saw mention of clogged siphon jets - I checked it and it was super restricted by mineral buildup. Used a small screwdriver to clear that out and BAM. Flush is much strong.
This is a better solution to holding down the lever and using twice the water!
I just recently experienced weak flushes in my 15 yo Kohler. Not only was the water level low in the tank, the flexible tube sending water into the center of the canister had come out and was sending water into the tank but apparently not the correct way. Problem solved.
Where do you find the siphon jets to clean out?
For those who've had your toilets for a while and experiencing problems with the flush, I came across some other comments on one of the MANY videos I've watched while trying to fix our problem. One such comment is recapped below in case it can help anyone. I'm sorry, but I don't have the link where I found it - I've been reading up on this issue FOR HOURS!
Hard water and scale build-up:
Empty the bowl.
Check inside bowl rim jets and gently scrape off any scale present.
Reach down into opening and carefully feel of the water outlet from the tank
(round hole aimed to the back of the toilet)
It should be smooth and not obstructed.
If not smooth, then it's probably chunks of mineralized deposits.
Must be gently chipped or removed.
Once you've cleared all scale build-up in the bowl rim jets and the water outlet, your toilet should operate like new. Our toilet is two days old, so this will not be a solution for us. But hopefully it will help someone else.
Holding the handle down was not an acceptable answer for me. I have the right answer. I drained the toilet as much as I could and poured CLR (vinegar can also work) into the bowl to clean out the siphon jet hole. This loosed up all the mineral deposits from my hard water and now the toilet flushes like new.
I have a toilet like this, but, the power of the flush is lacking to get the waste off the side
Clean the siphon jet way down near the “main hole” where waste goes. The siphon jet gets clogged with scale buildup. Use an Allen wrench, small screwdriver, or drill bit to dig the gunk out. My Koehler worked great for years then gradually got worse. I had to hold the handle down for a complete flush. I cleaned that siphon jet last night and it works like it did when new!! Seriously no more handle holding!!!
Mine has always had a crappy flush from day one. All the slack is out of the chain and it doesn't flush long enough.
Where do I find the siphon jet to clean out? Do you have a picture.
Thanks
@@nancyk7945 no picture, but it’s a hole about the size of a dime (or smaller) that goes towards the front of the toilet. You almost have to straddle the toilet and look forward if that makes sense. I have to clean mine out every few years for it to flush properly works like a charm every time.
My friend just had 2 new Kohler Highline toilets installed and he's complaining about skid Mark's (LOL) being left behind about 70% of the time. And he's a vegetarian . But he's gotten complaints from guests ( Very good friends ) telling him about 6 flushes , holding down the handle is not clearing away all waste. He is actually using more water than his old 40 year old toilets !!! So much for new technology !!!
I love my 1959 toilet
I appreciate this tip. I made the mistake of having all 3 toilets in my house replaced at once and absolutely hate these new kohler ones. Due to the lack of water flow you practically have to clean the bowl after each use. I will never buy a kohler product again.
Thanks I need to take the slack out of my chain. I replaced about every part in my Kohler so far. The wife uses a lot of t-paper. I do not understand why people gave this 99 thumbs down it is a simple and easy to understand video.
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The time the valve stays open is controlled by ports on the bottom of the canister, that let in water so the canister stops floating. There are several ports, of different sizes, that I think must have been designed so you can adjust the float time (hah!) by plugging some. Hot glue is a good way to plug them. Plugging the two large ports gives about one second of flush.
I have been doing this on my old toilets for years. My family does a short flush for liquids and hold the handle down for solids. It compensates for the expensive dual flush toilet systems that fail after a year or 2.
Thank you so much. I thought my canister had a problem. You saved me a lot of time and money!
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Get a rubber hose coupling that is the same diameter as the center overflow and increase the height so the tank can have more water inside it. Increasing the height will allow more water before it goes down the overflow. Also adjust the water float so it fills to the new height. And still hold the handle to make sure all water is used if needed.
Very good tip, my plumber that installed our new toilets told me this and I didn't have no idea it flushed this way, but it sure works. Thank you
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Hi,
Yes you can change the whole flush valve to one that has a flap. Just make sure of the size of the opening in the tank. In this toilet it is 3 1/4".
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Or you can glue some styrofoam or yoga mat to the sides of the cylinder to add buoyancy and make it stay up longer giving you a better flush.
@@trueblu8 wow thats smart
@@trueblu8 Shouldn't have to do that for a $300 toilet.
I had an older Kohler that flushed fine but replaced it with a higher model for senior parents and the new model like in this video sucks. I’ll replace it with another model and never buy Koehler again. They are an old brand that hasn’t kept up with current engineering and keeps charging a premium price. That only works for so long then you get caught. Thanks for the video.
Kohler is going to go out of business soon if they keep this up.
A water level fix I learned from this video - make sure that white water line is still connected to the central port in the canister......
Spoke with Kohler it seems to be a problem. They told me its a venting problem. I don’t think so. Appreciate feed back.
Our Kohler highline toilet is 3 months old and it does not always automatically refill. Sometimes you have to raise the tank lid and press down gently on the flush valve. It is not hard to do but you sure wouldn't expect that from a new toilet.
LOL, been doing that with my toilet for years, I always called it TurboFlush when I realized I got a better flush when keeping the lever down....Thanks for the tip ! I have the standard flapper though
Says 1.28 gallons to save water....has to flush 13 times to fully clean
Agreed. I gave mine 5 tries before pushing it in with the toilet brush. I finally ripped it out and put in a vintage one.
Thanks. Better than the Kohler video I just watched.
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Thank you for the video. My toilet wasn't filling up at all in the bowl itself. After watching this video, I saw that the tube is in the cylinder itself. For whatever reason, mine was out. I just put it back in and bam, it's filling up with water again.
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The bowl did not have enough water after the flush. I took the slack out of the chain (one notch). Now the bowl has more water.
Thanks for your video it gave me the right answer.
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I've had this exact same problem with the to Kohler toilets that I have. Just did not want to carry the waste out of the toilet and I came up with the four second rule myself. I was kind of hoping through Kohler to find a more technical solution but if it works you can argue with success.
Kohler is terrible these days.
I hate my expensive Kohler toilet! Thanks for the tips. Great Video!
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Thanks for this visual, it helps. It turns out my connector tube wasn't attached to the intake above the overflow, and that was the main cause of the low bowl level and now I can adjust it to my preferences.
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Awesome information. I’ve been battling this for years and to hear your info from Kohler is invaluable. I hate that it does that, but at least I’m not chasing a remedy. Preesh!
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YES! Been dealing with this annoying problem since I purchased my home. Thanks!
Nick Jackson Hi, we will be reviewing some new toilets with the best flushing.
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Thank you!!!!! Why doesn't Kohler "sell" the fact that you can have a quick flush or a longer one using more water. We have a Cimmaron and I thought we had a double flush... but nowhere I searched could I find the information you gave in this video. Thanks again. And Kudos!
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Thanks! This fixed my problem Thank goodness we are leasing for a year...now I know what kind of toilet not to get for our new home.
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Kohler is terrible
Good video. I actually figured that out. I have the kids trained. Short flush for No. 1 & Long flush for No. 2. These are awesome models no clogs.
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I replaced that valve with a 1.6GPF kohler wellworth setup. It flushes better than the canister valve.
+STLbluesfan1 Smart.
STLbluesfan1 can you give me a link for the valve? I want to replace mine too! Thanks!
Nice video you just validated the issue and only fix possible with this toilet. In my case I have teh new kohler Cimarron touchless flush system so you cannot hold the handle down to get more water into the bowl Nice system but there should be an adjustment (timing) on teh piston return or the motor actuator. You'ed think they would test this under all conditions I call this a serious design flaw!
Fred Bedard Hi, I agree. They are doing a much better job with new models.
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It can be adjusted by attaching a float to the chain to hold it open longer
Give the man a cigar. Best answer. I tried everything. there is a flow restrictor in the tube which I removed to get more flow, that helped, but not enough! I too finally used a piece of foam on the chain which allows about 3/4 of the tank to flush every time. Bowl now has a good level of water.
@@lesterbowen4246
Did you have to cut a piece of 'R' board ?
I bought two of these Aquapiston toilets (expensive too) and the performance is so bad I never installed the second one. Holding the handle does get you a bit more water but the water also comes straight down the sides rather than swirling leaving streaks. Looking to just take the guts out and put something else in like the old toilets that use the whole tank. 1.28GPM is not enough volume and you don't save water because your flushing the toilet ten times as much.
I installed 200 Kohler Wellworth 4468-0 tanks with 4197-0 bowls. They have functioned pretty well but one frequent problem has been the fill tube coming loose from the "tower". I figured out how to repair these by using heat shrink tubing over the outside of the tower and tube. If you need to remove it to clear passages you can slit the side of the heat shrink over the tower and then re-attach it with tie wraps.
Thanks
same problem here thanks for the tip
Another thing: Jam an ice pick or something similar down the water passage before doing the heat shrink as that passage has a tendency to clog up.
Very good explanation, easy to understand. Good job.
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Hi,
First make sure that there is a little slack in the chain. If not, adjust the length. Then check the seat where the gasket comes in contact with it. Clean it off and check the seal. You can also change the gasket to get a better seal.
The problem im having is my toilet wont make that noise at the end, the Bawooosh. That sound you get when you know everything in the bowl is gone. With out that sound there is always toilet paper left in the bowl.
Gurgle?
That's because these are so weak.
Just installed one of the new Kohler toilets with the 1.28 gal flush valve canister. I had to learn real quick to hold the handle down when flushing or even liquid waste would barely empty. All other adjustments are correct. This is unacceptable. Toilet is installed and I'm not taking it out to return it to the store. I don't have a problem with holding down the handle for a couple of extra seconds but what happens when a guest comes over and needs to use the toilet. Am I supposed to come up with a sign taped to the top of the tank instructing the user to hold down the handle when flushing? This is what I spent $250 for? Thanks Kohler, for nothing.
It's interesting, I installed two of these over the last few months and one of them flushes fine and the other I need to constantly hold down long with it to get it to flush even liquid waste. I thought the whole point of this "powerflush" design was to have a powerful flush with minimal water. Instead you get this weaksauce flush that behaves like something is broken.
It's not Kohler. You can thank the government, They know how to Fu... up anything.
so you made a video to tell people to hold the handle down?? did you explain inhaling and exhaling while breathing also?
Hi, for many toilets you can change the flapper to an adjustable flap or change to a flapper with a float to increase the flushing power. Some toilets with a tower can be changed to a tower with a foam float to increase the flush power. After talking the the support at Kohler for this specific style, there is no adjustment. You just have to hold the handle longer.
Thank you very much for this video. I really appreciated you taking the time to do this plus showing the difference in the tank for the water levels with holding the handle down versus not.
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Thanks. I Love the Kohler toilets
Thanks, just the answer / information I needed.
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Thank you! That fixed an annoying problem. After checking your video out, I looked in the tank to see it was filling below where it should. And adjusting the chain slack gave me (so far) good one flush flushes:-)
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Just like our nearly but kind of embarrassing when we have company. We forget to remind them and you hear them flushing over & over. Plus have to clean toilet more often! Thinking of replacing if possible.
Hi, you should check out the Fluidmaster Everything kit. If you have a 2 inch flush valve, you can replace everything inside the tank. It comes with an adjustable flapper, that stays open longer for a better flush.
That was exactly the information I needed. Thank you.
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Duh didn't need a video to figure that out! Now i just have to to tell all my guests to hold the handle down longer if you take a s#%!. Thanks
+rmtz59 Hi, many styles can be adjusted for a better flush. This model is fixed at the factory and can't be adjusted. Nice to know when thinking about purchasing a model.
+FIX IT Home Improvement Channel True. The one i bought had the same dimensions and look as my old one. And claimed 10 in flushing power. hardly,I was thinking of adding something that floats to lesson the weight of the plunger so it does not drop so quickly.
@@rmtz59 Yes! I saw this suggested in one of the forums. Glueing some styrofoam or yoga mat to the sides of the canister should do the trick.
I tried adding floats to the cannister wondering if that would help. NO IT DID NOT .Your right rhe only legit way to get more water is hold the lever a bit longer
Didn't know the history behind this technology and called the plumber back to tell me what he did wrong in today's install. No water in the bowl, erratic flushes, pressure in the flushes. Strange thing is I have two other Kohler toilets in the house with this same technology and they work fine. That's the reason I bought this one.
I might have a fix for this. To keep the canister from coming down too quickly you can glue some styrofoam or yoga mat to it. This should give it more buoyancy and it won't come down so quickly. And that should give you a better flush without having to hold the handle down.
Exactly what I was thinking
No that’s a great tip. Someone who has come up with a great idea unlike the guy who made this video.
Did anyone ever notice that the difference between the 1.28 and 1.6 gal per flush canister are bigger holes in the bottom of the 1.28 canister to let it sink a lot quicker. Look in those bottom pockets and you will see the slots in some of them.
I took a look at my daughter’s toilet at her house. Three boys under 10 use that toilet which was not fully flushing. I raised the waterline and tighter the slack which both made a difference but never thought of keeping the lever down. The tough part is going to be explaining to the boys that they need to keep the lever down. Ain’t going to happen.
Do you mean to the bottom of the canister? This video is all fine and good but it is embarrassing to have a note on our toilet for guests to "hold down the handle."
Hi,
This model doesn't have the dual flush. It only lifts off the valve at a set rate.
The company said this model can't be adjusted, they just suggest holding the handle longer.
Is it normal for these Kohler Class Five Flush Valves to fill slowly.? I've always used Fluid Master 400s and they seem to fill faster. The Kohler Flush valve is farely new so I dont want to replace it if I dont have to
Hi, If you have a high efficiency toilet that has a 1.28 gpf or less, using a Fluidmaster Performax or Korky Platinum fill valve will give you a better flush. These allow you to adjust the water level in the tank and the bowl. Check out this video ua-cam.com/video/2fVzAXakjZ0/v-deo.html
Thx. I just replaced the red seal with the yellow one. Adjusted the water level to the mark on the side of the canister. It flushes quickly. Good for the #1 flush. I looked all over Kohler's website to see what was going on. Kinda figured this out myself but it sure is nice to have someone confirm this for me.
Another common problem people have with modern low capacity toilets is slow flush issues which are most often due to lime scale build up inside the toilet jet and holes. This is more of an issue now because as the engineering tolerances got smaller to use less water, the holes have to stay very close in size to their original design specs in order to work properly. You can commonly see lime scale build-up at the jet hole at the bottom of the bowl and it will look brownish yellow but never flushes out. This can easily be dissolved with Muriatic Acid (available at HD, Lowes, etc). The steps to carefully follow are;
#1 Buy a gallon for around $10-$15. Note that online recommendations say 1 part to 5 parts water but I think that is way too thin of a mix after using it several times with different toilets.
#2 Buy a good NIOSH mask, googles and gloves. You DO NOT want to breathe the fumes of this stuff! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
#3 I use a 1:1 mix and my standard rule of thumb is 1 hour for every 1/8" of lime scale build-up. So in general, around 1 to 2 hours is a good soak time. If really bad, you may need 3hrs.
#4 Empty your toilet bowl. Shut off the water supply valve near the floor, then using a pitcher quickly pour a gallon of water down the bowl (not tank) very fast right in the center to help empty the bowl (the key here is use good aim and a very fast pour so that most of the water flows through the P trap in the toilet).
#5 Now mix up the acid water mix OUTSIDE of your house. Then pour in the acid / water mix you've made in another container (again, you should do the mixing OUTSIDE) and pour the mix in from the TANK (not bowl this time) and while doing so hold the lever down as if you were already flushing to keep the tank flapper open. This allows the mix to circulate around the inner ring top first and then it filters into the bowl but leaves some in the ring. This is very important because we want to clean both..ring and bowl.
#6 Fill it up with the mix so that the bowl is as full as it can be. Then cover the bowl firmly with plastic and turn on your bathroom vent fan to exhaust fumes.
#7 Set a timer for 1 to 3 hours depending on how bad your deposits are. Use 3 hours for very bad deposits (like really bad slow flush issues).
#8 When ready, turn the water back on and flush the toilet three times. If cleaned properly it should flush like new (providing your tank components work properly too).
#9 Now, you can fast pour a pitcher again (step 4) to empty the bowl, then reach down in the toilet and put your middle finger in the jet hole to feel inside it.
If the jet hole feels rough and closed up, you may need another treatment. Using a small round makeup mirror set down in the bowl bottom will also help you visually see the internal build up of lime scale. Angle the mirror at 45 degrees so you can see into the hole as far as possible.
#10 Providing your tank components are working and adjusted properly, I can assure you that this clean out method will get your old toilet flushing like NEW.
Last year I got a 5 year old $500 Kohler toilet for free off Craigslist because it had slow flush and they couldn't figure it out. They even replaced the tank components first and of course, it still didn't work. I solved it with 2 hours cleaning time, a new rubber base ring, and a $10 gallon of Muriatic acid.
To be clear, I now have a top of the line 5 year old toilet with new internal tank components that flushes like new. .. for $10.
this was driving me nuts on my newly installed Kohler canister valve toilet. Simple, effective process change. And for my aging brain, it would be nice to add which direction the clock-or counter-clockwise adjustment goes to increase or decrease the water level. (ID10T error, I know) lol
Thank you! Very helpful!
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Very informative information, thank you.
Michael M Thanks.
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Did anyone ever notice that the difference between the 1.28 and 1.6 gal per flush canister (for the same model tank) are bigger slots in the bottom of the 1.28 canister to let it sink a lot quicker. Look closely in some of those tiny bottom pockets and you will see there are tiny slots in some of them. I bought the 1.6 to replace the 1.28 (dissatisfied with flush volume) and it took forever to find the difference. Sure enough, the 1.6 works a lot better. I wonder if 5 cents of putty would have worked as well.
Can you post a link to the 1.6 canister?
I just purchased a Kohler toilet and went crazy to find a 1.6gpf tank. Works great. The research I've done a side by side parts comparison between the 1.28 and 1.6 tanks and the canister valve seems to be the only difference. One is a 2" and one is a 3". I thought that was the difference but now you mention the slots. In any event I'm hoping I can buy a 1.28 tank and just swap at a 3" valve to make it a 1.6.
O.K.....let me run this by everyone. For years now, I've been trying to "ReENGINEER" Kohler's design with my hated Kohler Memoir.......
I have the older CLASS 5 one piece Memoir 1.6 that is 9 yrs old and complained many times to Kohler that it has very little water for the rim wash, I told them the holes must have been drilled wrong since the water comes out straight down and does not swirl and there is a lot of space on the bowl between each rim hole that never gets any water to rinse 100% of the bowl. I even plugged the 2 front large rim rinse holes with plumbers putty to divert more water to the rear holes and it that helped a little. As of last week, they are going to finally send me a free new Memoir with the Aqua Piston but that will be a 1.2 gal tank. In the past I had tried the same suggestions in the video, but I always wanted to try to increase the volume of the tank and I think I'm going to finally try modification:
I'm going to try this on both my old Class5 3" Flush Valve and the new Aqua Piston although, it might be harder to work on the AquaPiston since its basically raising the overfill valve unlike older fill tube/overflow valves that are stationary.....
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Go the the Hardware store and find some plastic tube that will fit tightly over the fill tube to extend it higher. Since the Class5 flush valve ( Kohler 1039861....see Amazon) has a fluted top it might be harder to find a tube/hose that will fit. If that's the case, I figured I'd cut the fill tube in the center and would be able to find some kind of hose that would fit snug or with hose clamps to extend the overflow tube to make it higher so the tank will hold more water......
The only other problem is that when you raise the water high enough in the tank; water will leak out of the handle hole in the tank. Some kind of under water epoxy or ureathane caulk like Sika or other can be used, but I'm going to put a "battery operated water alarm" under the toilette just in case it would leak from the handle since it will now be under water.
Anyway, I tested my old 1.6 which actually holds 1.875 by raising the water level to the highest point. I placed a rubber glove over the overflow tube and kept adding water and I'm able to turn this 1.6 tank into a 2.375 gal tank or 8 cups more of water. I flushed the toilet and its a very noticeable and powerful flush with a lot more rim washing water in the bowl along with a more powerful lower jet.......
For those toilets with the flush handle in the tank lid, this modification should work great without any fear of water leaks out of the side mounted handle......
Any other suggestions or ideas are welcomed.
Unfortunately that's just how Kohler is.
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Is there a recall on any of the toilets? I can't get the water to stop going over the drain line/water line / fill line whatever it's called. The water just keeps running and trying to adjust it isn't working
I just keep a 10 gallon bucket next to my toilet and start filling it before I start using the toilet. It takes about 20 to 30 gallons (mostly overflow since the bucket is in the tub) to use the toilet each time but a 8 gallon dump into the bowl makes sure everything goes down., It is funny how the workaround to the low flush toilet wastes 20 to 30 gallons per flush now that my old 3.5 gallon per flush toilet is gone. My sink has a low flow faucet and it wastes even more because I get bored waiting for it to fill up a pan I'm trying to wash so I just leave it on and go do something else and sometimes get distracted. I once let it run overnight when I had a really long day. My low flow dishwasher has to be run three to four times to get dishes clean. Even my low flow shower head has increased my shower time from 5 minutes to 20 because it takes that long to get all the soap off and get fully clean. Ever since all these low flow devices have come out my water bill has doubled do to the work around processes I have had to implement to get anything done., Am I the only one or are other people having these problems?
Damalia Marsi just goes to show how fucking stupid these people are who run our lives.
I got so tired of that that I just installed a toilet from 1959.
@@187inc Looks like you just insulted yourself. You can't buy a good toilet today unless it is used.
When these tubes come loose it prevents the bowl from filling completely after flushing.
Just had that problem. Finally noticed what was wrong after looking at where the tube was placed in this video.
Thanks for the good explanation. I thought my new toilet was broken.
Glad it was helpful.
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Same here this video if nothing showed me i didn't install the toilet wrong and i appreciate that.
Yeah, that’s what I was afraid of. Thanks for the explanation from Kohler.
I just purchased the Kohler Cimarron I hope I bought a good toilet because I'm getting mixed reviews.
Great video!
Very informative!
I'm trying to decide between a pressure-assisted Highline and a Cimmaron with the aquapiston, and I think I know which one now.
Kohler 1.6 does a credible job. I have tried to find a new one with the 1.6 liter tank, and was told that they are not made anymore. Comments?
Hi, if you are looking for a good flushing high efficiency toilet, look at the MaP scores. A score of 500 or more will give you the best flushing for waste and paper.
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@@FIXITHomeImprovementChannel MaP? What's wrong with GPF? I am doubtful of (unscientific?)concocted scores from unknown self styled commode experts.
Hi, the MaP test was developed by a large group of wastewater organizations to figure out how to determine if a toilet can effectively flush waste and toilet paper. They use soybean paste and toilet paper. The EPA now uses the results as part of their WaterSense program to determine the most efficient toilets with the best flush.
The new high efficiency toilets do a great job with 1.26 gpf. The trap and flush valve designs have evolved to get great flushing with less water.
I have a problem with the toilet running and I have to always go and shake the handle. I just purchased the toilet about a year ago. How can I fix this.
Your vidio is very helpful Thank You
Check the flapper chain, could be kinked or too long & slack is going under flapper ball.
Thanks. This is was my exact problem
You're welcome
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I know this was done a while ago, but thanks! As a new homeowner, I was messing with this issue all night. Kind of annoying honestly, that government regs introduces this issue. I mean, I pay for my water right? Given the unrestricted, high -flow water enjoyed when using a hose or bathtub, why restrict an appliance that depends so heavily on waterflow for sanitary operation?
For high efficiency toilets, you should now be looking at the MaP score. This is a rating for how well it flushes. Many pro's recommend looking for a MaP score of 600 or more. The higher the number the better it will flush. The new toilets have really improved the last few years.
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@@FIXITHomeImprovementChannel thanks a bunch! I'll be sure to check out your channel. I need all of the help I can get.
Thanks for your video. I have this type of toilet and it is a really poor design. It's a crappy crapper.
Words of wisdom.
2018 and I can't get a toilet to flush properly. Unbelievable!!!
Flucking dumbass liberals ruin EVERYTHING, every stinking time.. always making a situation worse.. multiple flushes needed always..
@@mattr8251 Stupid environmentalists.
@@mattr8251 This is not a liberal or conservative issue. It's a case where the manufacturers can't seem to engineer a proper solution to an obvious problem.
@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations Stupid you. This is an engineering issue, not an environmental one.
@@distracted_visions7095 This is an environmental issue you fucking dumbass.
Very Informative, Thanks.
Glad it was helpful.
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Wondering if changing the amount of water will have any impact on the sound? We have four toilets of this style in our recently constructed home and they are all fairly violent when they flush. The noise comes as the last bit of water is getting sucked out.... sounds similar to a cruise ship toilet if you are familiar with that experience. It isn't a gurgling or bubbling that would be associated with vent issue and the actual flush operation is effective but the noise is just a bit much!
Nice job with the video!
Thanks
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I have zip tied some Styrofoam to the cylinder to add buoyancy. It takes a some trial and error.
Not a bad idea to fix the false advertisement from Kohler. It says it is a 1.6 gpf toilet but only does 0.7 gpf from the factory. I do not understand how they can get away with the 1.6 gpf false advertisement.
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please upload in 1080p
thanks for the info. The thing is how to make that float "float" longer so all the water empties.
Robert Meier Hi, this is a bad model. I spoke to the company and it is set at the factory. Most other toilets you can adjust the flap or put it an adjustable flap. We have more tips on our weekly podcast @us/podcast/fix-it-home-improvement/id880903087?mt=2
FIX IT Home Improvement Channel Are you saying there is no fix? Unless I hold the handle down mine only flushes out about 25% of the water before the valve closes. It worked fine for years but just started doing this in the last month or so.
Hi,
For this Kohler style, you can't adjust the tower style flush valve. What you can do, if you have this model is to remove the flush valve and put in a more traditional flap style. This will allow you to have a longer more powerful flush.
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@@FIXITHomeImprovementChannel thank you for the tip. Any thoughts on which one to buy?
Thanks for the info
Once again, thanks to some government regulations, I am up to my ears in chit.
Agreed. Modern toilets are garbage.
xactly
I have the same toilet at home when it stops it makes a funny sound and so does the other toilets like that I see
What is the increase in GPF if you do this? I am having a serious problem since I replaced the old toilets (that used more water) the lower amount of water used with the new toilets created clogging in the pipes (because the age of the condo I moved into - long story), not the toilet. I was told I need more water going through _ I was to the point of replacing my new toilets with old ones if I could find them but then I heard that there is a way to convert a low flow (new toilet) TO high flow (3.0 gpf )
The fill hose does not fit the fill canister,the top to put the hose insert looks different than older fill tank plumber could not help me
When I flush the toilet not getting a full flush . I already adjusted water level to the top level of canister and suggestions?
Hi, you might need more water in the bowl. The fill valve needs to get water to the top of the trap for the best flush. Here is a video showing how to install a fill valve that lets you adjust the water in the tank and the bowl. ua-cam.com/video/2fVzAXakjZ0/v-deo.html
HI, Maybe someone can help me. I have this same set up. The problem that I have with the " short flush " is that the tank does not refill with water, it only does it with the " long flush " . My theory is that with the "short flush " the floater does not come down all the way, and this makes the tank NOT refill. I have to do the "long flush" that makes the floater go down all the way and that kicks in the refill of the tank. Any feedback is appreciated.
Hi, the fill valve is pretty easy to replace if it's not moving properly. Here is a video with the steps. ua-cam.com/video/2fVzAXakjZ0/v-deo.html
I have this Kohler canister style toilet and have a question: when the toilet is flushed, the toilet bowl appears to fill with water before the bowl truly flushes/empties. When flushed, the water in the bowl rises before flushing empty. This is different than when the bowl was new and the flush would quickly empty the bowl. What changed? How do I get the bowl to empty more quickly?
older toilets (vintage) can have up to a 3 gallon flush for those asking
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Mine does 5.
I had an American Standard Cadet Pro before. It did not flush solids. I ended up using more water with that "high efficiency" toilet than with my "water waster" toilet. There is no shortage of water so why restrict toilets?
Toilets from the 30s had 8 gallons.
I have a different problem.
New toilet same brand/system, but the refill doesn’t always work. Sometimes I have to lift the tank cover and lightly tap the refill to make it start releasing water. Is there a fix or does the mechanism need replacing?
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@@FIXITHomeImprovementChannel I’ll try
I really don’t want to hold down the handle. I’ve had toilets in the past that would give a good strong flush without holding down the handle. Anyone with suggestions? Just installed a new KHOLER
Hi, you can replace the canister flush valve with a flapper style for a more powerful flush.
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Aw mane i wished thus worked for the dual button tank ones i already raised the float to fill the tank level higher up but the bowl water level is still pathetic.😭
I have this same toilet. Nothing to do with the cannister valve.You have to clean all the sediment from the syphon jet thst is in the actual bowl. The stuff will feel like glass but its actual sediment.
Nope. It is the cannister valve.
i have the same toilet one week old and does not fill or fills very slow, help !
Hi, sounds like the fill valve. You can remove the cap on many and flush any particles. If not, turn off the water from the valve below the toilet. Remove the supply line and point the end into a bucket. Turn on the water at the valve and see how the water pressure is. This will also clear any debris. If you have good pressure here, it is the valve in the toilet. Easy project.
You may have shook loose some debris when installing it and it got caught in the fill valve.
Let me know if that helps.
I have a Kohler toilet with this kind of cannister. On the toilet it is written "1.6 gallons per flush or less".
So what you're saying is, this toilet is engineered for an inadequate flush and can not be adjusted? (sure, I can hold the handle down, but even after that there is still paper floating around.)
Our family has always been programmed "if it's yellow let it mellow" etc. for environmental/water saving reasons. So yeah, I spose it gets dirtier than if it was flushed after every spoonful of urine.
But if the toilet never completely evacuates the contents, I am beginning to understand why the bottom of this toilet has always been stained BLACK ever since we moved here in 2010, and no toilet cleaner has ever gotten rid of it.
So what you're saying is, it's time for a new toilet?
LOL. I just watched a Kohler video that says their toilets "maximize flushing power" with 1.6 gal or less. Um..."comments are disabled" for that video.
Hi, one thing you can try is putting in a fill valve that allows you to adjust the water in the bowl. If the fill valve you have isn't getting water up to the top of the trap in the bowl, it will affect the flush.
Check out the Fluidmaster PerForMAX or the Korky Platinum. If the water in the bowl is too low, it wastes the energy filling the bowl to the top of the trap before it starts the flushing action.
It is stained black because somebody snaked it.
It is time for an old toilet that actually works
For 2 years toilet flushed fine strong flush..Now it seems the canister drops too soon . Holding it longer is BS .There is no float in there so what changed ? but I think I will convert to the old style if you can .I will never by kohler again.
Do you have well water? might be sediment cloghing syphon jets.