I thought the compensaters were about mitigating muzzle flip not recoil and the point of mitigating muzzle flip was to keep the dot or sight on target when firing consecutive rounds.
One advantage the Hellcat has over the 365 is the trigger safety. Personally, I don't like the Sig trigger and feel it is a little mushy. The P365 AXG Legion fixes that, but now you're nearly doubling the cost. My summer EDC is the Hellcat. You can't go wrong with either though.
The slide release on the Hellcat Pro (HCP) is easy to get to with the thumb, so less hand maneuvering. Feels secure in the hand. Another small detail is the recoil spring protrudes below the barrel, so if a press shot is needed, the HCP reduces the chances of it going out of battery in a critical self defense moment.
I almost understand what you mean, could you elaborate a little more about the recoil spring protruding so I could be better educated? Is there a model you could compare it against also so I could better grasp what you mean? Thanks in advance
@@MazzaJ I got the information from the article written by Massad Ayoob in the Armory Life for the HCP in 2022 (search it). Basically, if you press the barrel or slide back, the firearm is not seated. You want some hard object to keep this from happening if you had to press the weapon into something. I would imagine a mounted flashlight would have the same effect as it would give the necessary gap. On the HCP, the end of the recoil spring extends to the same distance as the end of the barrel, providing some hard stop. Look at a Glock 17 and the barrel extends the furthest, beyond the recoil spring as a comparison.
@@MazzaJ Hypothetically If you needed to fire the pistol while pushing it against a Target up close and 2 personal the HCP will stay Shootable Or better chance of it if in a press shot situation 2 close 2 personal situation the HCP action Helps stay locked and shootable. vs the slide being pushed back and the trigger being disengaged. ( Hypothetically Speaking ) Yuck how messy your shoes and shirt would probably be!
I am a Springfield Guy and for some reason the Pro has never seemed snappy to me... I am interested in trying the Sig for Comparison.. Nice video comparing the two..
My thoughts on the hellcat pro….feels more like a whip crack because the recoil guide rod is brand new vs the X Macro that’s been shot for 1.5-2 years…also the trigger spring on the hellcat pro-pull probably feels heavier so ppl tend to grip the gun more=more felt recoil in a factory trigger…the comp on the X Macro is basically for show based upon it’s design
The number one thing that Springfield hellcat platforms have over the SIG 365 platforms is the thumb rest near the accessory rail. I know so many women and new shooters who when they are shooting any 365 platform that their thumb will slide forward or come off of the frame because there’s nowhere to really rest your thumb when shooting. Springfield knew that that was a problem and corrected it on all the hellcat models. That is a major thing that separates them. Almost every person that I have had shoot any of my hellcats that is shot any kind of SIG 365 platform has all come away and said they like the hellcat better for that because they could control the pistol better. Plus the 3.7 inch barrel with a port is far more effective than a 3.1 inch barrel with just a port in the slide. The hellcat pro is what the X macro and Spectre comp should’ve been.
😂😂😂😂😂😂If you're a good shooter and you're gripping a gun properly, your thumb should never come come off the frame during recoil. Usually it's people with bad grip that consistently have your thumbs coming off the frame and always have to milk the grip. Except if your hands are a larger fit for the gun, your thumbs should be able to remain on that frame.
@@mmafanatic-tz5or are you fucking retarded? Did you not read what I said or did you pick out what you wanted? I said women and new shooters. Do you know how many videos I watch on UA-cam of guys who have huge channels like this that shoot and their thumbs come off the fucking frame? Get fucked bozo
If you look into from an mechanical perspective, the Sig does not have the safety redundancy as others in its class. I owned an OG P365 and a P365 XL and just felt very uncomfortable carrying it. The Hellcat Pro is for me. I will say the trigger is not great, but there are options to clean and lighten it up.Thanks for the comparison
Hey, just add some friendly advice that song for your channel is dope but the very last line says if you got smoke, we want it if you were to ever have to use your gun and self-defense they will totally use that line against you. Maybe something to edit in the future just Friendly concealed carry advice nice videos 💪🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I r talked to a few people who have got to shoot the hellcat pro comp and they have said the Xmacro was better than the hellcat. I’m looking forward to getting the hellcat pro comp to compare to my Xmacro comp
Honestly probably not. The comp with the ported barrel in theory works way better then just the slide comp. I will probably end up getting both, but definitely getting the hellcat first.
Not a surprising result. P365 series is just plain smoother shooting than the Hellcats, and the triggers are better in the Sigs as well. I shot the P365 XL and Hellcat Pro back to back like this, and it wasn’t even close, the Sig is just much smoother and easier shooting.
I'll agree the sig is noticeably less snappy but I still hate the trigger. It's pretty terrible and I've tried every aftermarket option but nothing fixes it.
First of all, she shoot’s better than me! She makes the thin snappy guns look easy to shoot. And secondly, yeah something about the hellcat design man that thing is snappy. It is snappier than the sig 365 series in all of its forms. So despite having a better port system, I am not surprised that it’s harsher
You want good aftermarket support on the pro checkout lakeline llc. I’ve swapped recoil springs and added a gas pedal on mine which both help mitigate recoil over stock and don’t have the increased decibels & concussion from shooting a ported barrel/slide setup. Apex triggers on all my ccw’s anyway. Extended mag release and mcarbo titanium striker. Oh ya she’s dialed in baby!
I have a hellcat pro and my father has the 365x macro. Shot both this last weekend and the sig pinched the hell out of the meat of my hand while slapping in a mag. Hellcat definitely fits better in my hand. I do have a compensator on my hellcat vs no comp on the sig so the sig felt snappier for sure but neither was bad at all. Definitely liked my hellcat more. Put easy quick follow up shots through a quarter with the hellcat vs the sig so the comp must be the key.
Any company, like Springfield AND Sig that's shown that their quality control & consistency does not prove itself across their entire line plants a seed of hesitancy. For edc, I'll pass on both. Great video, thank you🙏!
People will very their opinions based on their shooting skills and variety of firearms they have consistently shot. I love my macro, its one of my favorite every carry pistols compared with my smith & Wesson ported shield with the comp. Throw some high pressure rounds through them you will definitely notice the difference.
Watching y'all shoot, it appeared that there was significantly less muzzle rise in the Pro Comp than the X-macro... Maybe it was just me, but the Hellcat seemed much smoother. BTW neither of them comes close to the Shield Plus PC...
When 2 gun companies compete..... We win.
The video the internet needed right here! Keep up the great work!
Thanks! Will do!
I thought the compensaters were about mitigating muzzle flip not recoil and the point of mitigating muzzle flip was to keep the dot or sight on target when firing consecutive rounds.
Ports and comps also reduce felt recoil because they reduce the reciprocating slide energy. So it reduces muzzle flip as well as makes the gun “softer
I’m a huge X Macro Comp fan, dope video and nice to see yall back
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I compared the regular Hellcat to my P365 and it definitely has more felt recoil.
Not surprised the Pro has more recoil than the xmacro too.
One advantage the Hellcat has over the 365 is the trigger safety. Personally, I don't like the Sig trigger and feel it is a little mushy. The P365 AXG Legion fixes that, but now you're nearly doubling the cost. My summer EDC is the Hellcat. You can't go wrong with either though.
The slide release on the Hellcat Pro (HCP) is easy to get to with the thumb, so less hand maneuvering. Feels secure in the hand. Another small detail is the recoil spring protrudes below the barrel, so if a press shot is needed, the HCP reduces the chances of it going out of battery in a critical self defense moment.
I almost understand what you mean, could you elaborate a little more about the recoil spring protruding so I could be better educated? Is there a model you could compare it against also so I could better grasp what you mean? Thanks in advance
@@MazzaJ I got the information from the article written by Massad Ayoob in the Armory Life for the HCP in 2022 (search it). Basically, if you press the barrel or slide back, the firearm is not seated. You want some hard object to keep this from happening if you had to press the weapon into something. I would imagine a mounted flashlight would have the same effect as it would give the necessary gap. On the HCP, the end of the recoil spring extends to the same distance as the end of the barrel, providing some hard stop. Look at a Glock 17 and the barrel extends the furthest, beyond the recoil spring as a comparison.
@@MazzaJ YT is blocking my responses. Look up the article from Massad Ayoob in his 2022 review of the HCP.
@@MazzaJ Hypothetically If you needed to fire the pistol while pushing it against a Target up close and 2 personal the HCP will stay Shootable Or better chance of it if in a press shot situation 2 close 2 personal situation the HCP action Helps stay locked and shootable. vs the slide being pushed back and the trigger being disengaged. ( Hypothetically Speaking ) Yuck how messy your shoes and shirt would probably be!
I agree the slide release on the sig is way forward compared to the hellcat.
I am a Springfield Guy and for some reason the Pro has never seemed snappy to me... I am interested in trying the Sig for Comparison.. Nice video comparing the two..
Same here, Springfield has always served me well..
You sayin you're a Springfield fan shows some bias, cuz the hellcat no matter what model is snappy.
Isnt snappy to me either
It's not snappy to me either
@@roadblock1963 that's you opinion, perhaps working on that master grip could work wonders..
My thoughts on the hellcat pro….feels more like a whip crack because the recoil guide rod is brand new vs the X Macro that’s been shot for 1.5-2 years…also the trigger spring on the hellcat pro-pull probably feels heavier so ppl tend to grip the gun more=more felt recoil in a factory trigger…the comp on the X Macro is basically for show based upon it’s design
The number one thing that Springfield hellcat platforms have over the SIG 365 platforms is the thumb rest near the accessory rail. I know so many women and new shooters who when they are shooting any 365 platform that their thumb will slide forward or come off of the frame because there’s nowhere to really rest your thumb when shooting. Springfield knew that that was a problem and corrected it on all the hellcat models. That is a major thing that separates them. Almost every person that I have had shoot any of my hellcats that is shot any kind of SIG 365 platform has all come away and said they like the hellcat better for that because they could control the pistol better. Plus the 3.7 inch barrel with a port is far more effective than a 3.1 inch barrel with just a port in the slide. The hellcat pro is what the X macro and Spectre comp should’ve been.
😂😂😂😂😂😂If you're a good shooter and you're gripping a gun properly, your thumb should never come come off the frame during recoil. Usually it's people with bad grip that consistently have your thumbs coming off the frame and always have to milk the grip. Except if your hands are a larger fit for the gun, your thumbs should be able to remain on that frame.
@@mmafanatic-tz5or are you fucking retarded? Did you not read what I said or did you pick out what you wanted? I said women and new shooters. Do you know how many videos I watch on UA-cam of guys who have huge channels like this that shoot and their thumbs come off the fucking frame? Get fucked bozo
If you look into from an mechanical perspective, the Sig does not have the safety redundancy as others in its class. I owned an OG P365 and a P365 XL and just felt very uncomfortable carrying it. The Hellcat Pro is for me. I will say the trigger is not great, but there are options to clean and lighten it up.Thanks for the comparison
The Springfield looks with less muzzle flip
Very nice video. I like the laid back and chill vibe you guys bring. Very nice for a change.
Hey, just add some friendly advice that song for your channel is dope but the very last line says if you got smoke, we want it if you were to ever have to use your gun and self-defense they will totally use that line against you. Maybe something to edit in the future just Friendly concealed carry advice nice videos 💪🏼👍🏼👍🏼
This was a great breakdown, thanks for the insight, now we can produce more info for some of our clients about both platforms
I’ve had three Springfield’s in my life and what you described is what I feel like all of there guns feel like as far as recoil lol that recoil BITES
The answer I’ve been looking for
$600 for the Hellcat, $800 for the Sig. Is the Sig worth the extra money in your opinion?
Nope
Yes
I r talked to a few people who have got to shoot the hellcat pro comp and they have said the Xmacro was better than the hellcat. I’m looking forward to getting the hellcat pro comp to compare to my Xmacro comp
No
Honestly probably not. The comp with the ported barrel in theory works way better then just the slide comp. I will probably end up getting both, but definitely getting the hellcat first.
More then a slide from Spectre comp , I have same gun , Spectre comp with Xmacro grip module :)
Bingo
Not a surprising result. P365 series is just plain smoother shooting than the Hellcats, and the triggers are better in the Sigs as well. I shot the P365 XL and Hellcat Pro back to back like this, and it wasn’t even close, the Sig is just much smoother and easier shooting.
I'll agree the sig is noticeably less snappy but I still hate the trigger. It's pretty terrible and I've tried every aftermarket option but nothing fixes it.
@@tylerhart554replace the trigger. I swapped out mines for a flat trigger and better grips game changer.
First of all, she shoot’s better than me! She makes the thin snappy guns look easy to shoot. And secondly, yeah something about the hellcat design man that thing is snappy. It is snappier than the sig 365 series in all of its forms. So despite having a better port system, I am not surprised that it’s harsher
You want good aftermarket support on the pro checkout lakeline llc. I’ve swapped recoil springs and added a gas pedal on mine which both help mitigate recoil over stock and don’t have the increased decibels & concussion from shooting a ported barrel/slide setup. Apex triggers on all my ccw’s anyway. Extended mag release and mcarbo titanium striker. Oh ya she’s dialed in baby!
Waited for someone to do this vid! Thanks bruh! 🤙🤙🤙
🫡🫡 yessir
Porting is for muzzle flip compensator is for recoil. Am I right or wrong?
I have a hellcat pro and my father has the 365x macro. Shot both this last weekend and the sig pinched the hell out of the meat of my hand while slapping in a mag. Hellcat definitely fits better in my hand. I do have a compensator on my hellcat vs no comp on the sig so the sig felt snappier for sure but neither was bad at all. Definitely liked my hellcat more. Put easy quick follow up shots through a quarter with the hellcat vs the sig so the comp must be the key.
Can’t believe you’re rocking the old Bulls 91! The worm. Great comparison between the two.
Any company, like Springfield AND Sig that's shown that their quality control & consistency does not prove itself across their entire line plants a seed of hesitancy. For edc, I'll pass on both. Great video, thank you🙏!
Keep cranking the videos out! 💪🏾
Already! Thanks for the support 🙏🏽🙏🏽
That cat still looks snappy to me
People will very their opinions based on their shooting skills and variety of firearms they have consistently shot. I love my macro, its one of my favorite every carry pistols compared with my smith & Wesson ported shield with the comp. Throw some high pressure rounds through them you will definitely notice the difference.
What rounds are you using? What grain?
Recoil is different because the Sig has a short barrel. Less burn time in the barrel.
Wonder if you can get the threaded barrel ported and then add their comp to it
Good video minus the "operator put me on hold"music in the background lol
Great video. That Rodman shirt is crazy!
X macro would be my pick for shore loving my 365 axg legion its fire fire
Watching y'all shoot, it appeared that there was significantly less muzzle rise in the Pro Comp than the X-macro...
Maybe it was just me, but the Hellcat seemed much smoother.
BTW neither of them comes close to the Shield Plus PC...
I noticed the same
Have both a hellcat and a xmacro and prefer the xmacro with how it feels gripping it .
I wonder why nobody has made a custom comp barrel for the p365s x macro original slide.
i got the xmacro and i picked up the new hellcat pro comp and the xmacro is so much better than the hcp. ended up selling the hellcat
You rock! ❤️
I was wondering how long it was going to be before someone compared these 2....
Who makes your intro song? Is that Starringo??
Please let me know shit is fire
@@GhostEastwood it’s Starringo. The thing is tho, it’s a custom song. They must’ve asked him to make an intro for them
dang she shoot more flat than me lol , gooddddd aim
A comp gun is more effective but a ported gun is sexier 😝
Love my P365 AXG Legion. One of the BEST edcs on the market
It looked to me like when you guys both shot hellcat recoiled less
Thought the same
Thats a p365 xMacro Spectre Comp hybrid. I made the same build
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it!
It should be ovious if there is much difference .I have the Micro . Shadow Systems is My Favorite .
Nice review mah n1gg@ ❤
The hellcat pro is supposed to be 4.8 tall while the Xmacro is 5.2.
S&W m&p shield plus PC 9mm FTW
With sigs prices and their recent track record of doing beta testing on their consumers its an easy choice before watching
Good video. I went and bought both lol
Best theme music
Turn the music up i can still hear you
I would rather hear you talk without the music over it. It's hard to hear and pay attention. Thanks for the review
Great review
I appreciate the video, but plz turn music down!
Nice Video!
more velocity from the hellcat
Visually the macro looks better
Can you get rid of that background music?
your range need some tables bro
I’m having a hard time to hear what he’s trying to says the whole whole video, probably it’s me however hope the next video not too loud thanks
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I can't hear you...
I've never shot a Springfield and thought this is a great gun.. But that Hellcat comp isn't bad.. The Sig xmacro is a much better gun though
The macro is overrated... Hellcat pro comp is better
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Sig fan boys gonna be sig fanboys lol I hate the 365 series trigger so I’ll never own any of them
We dont need rap crap to advertise a gun. S8g...no trigger safety..no other safety...no buy!
These people are lost
Springfield just sucks
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