Imagine a Spanish speaking country with a minority population of Americans, Indians, Australians and British. The Spanish speaking majority decides that since they all speak English they should be grouped as "Anglos" and soon they start talking about "anglo culture", "anglo food", "anglo music" and "the anglo race" as if they were all the same. That's how the word Latino feels to "latinos".
Big lie! No one in Brazil really cares too much about how the U.S. categorizes the world. Brazilians comprise almost half the population in latin america and still are not a significant immigration group in north america. Brazil is culturally very different from hispanic countries, and is strongly influenced by Portuguese, African, Italian and German cultures. As for "Latino" based on language, one should also add Italians, Romanian, French, French-Canadians and Portuguese.
In a strict, ethimology-based definition which doesn't correlate with common usage, "latino" would include Quebec and French Guiana as well as any country that primarily speaks a romance language. Americans seem to include only people who speak Spanish even though most Brazilians consider themselves as people from latin america
I think that Latino is also too euro centrist as an Italian-American i identify with the word Latin but i don't think of my self as Hispanic or South american. Any thoughts.
In a lot of ways, their native country IS the U.S. California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and other states were a part of Mexico long before they were a part of the United States. Also, "American" refers to much more than just the U.S. despite what you may think. North and South America are continents and are often referred to as "the Americas" and anyone from them is technically American. Someone from Chile is American in the same way that someone from Greece is European, Mongolia is Asian.
I love how they display a slideshow of Hispanics parading with their national flags in the US and how she emphasizes their ties to their native countries and then claims they are throughly American. First define what you mean by the the term "American", Stephanie.
It's funny too me how the term latino is used to describe south amricans just because they speak latin derived langueges, It makes as much sense as calling the jamaicans anglo-saxons would.
Her main mistake is confound a cultural concept, Hispanic, with a racial one. A white Jewish Argentinian is as Hispanic as a descendant of the Maya or as a Venezuelan of mixed descent, even if they don't share recent common ancestors. The unity of the Americas that the Libertadores claimed was based on the cultural one, since they were mainly white "criollos" (for instance, Bolívar was of Basque, Canarian and Castilian descent).
It's very interesting that here, in New York, many Latinos are of mixed race, but their culture is different than the so-called "black" culture. Where I live there are many Dominicans. Some Latinos apparently consider the Dominicans different from them because the dialect of Spanish spoken is different. Not just vocabulary, I understand, but having only rudimentary skills in the language, I cannot judge. PS most of the flags shown in photos in the video were Puerto Rican.
I do not understand Puerto Rico. It confuses me. They are American citizens, but they don't consider themselves Americans. They voted to be the 51st state, but they want their 'country' to be listed separately. I don't get it. Thoroughly confusing.
Well no shit, the term "American" can apply to anyone from the Americas and not just to residents of the United States? Who would have thought? Maybe that's why I commented on the need for her to clarify what she means by the term?
Could you make one about the word america? About how Amerigo Vespucci influenced the name of the continent, and how the US has "stolen" the term for themselves, pleeeeeaaasee
Interesting, although very US centric. The term "latino americano" exists outside of the US, you know. And she didn´t explain what the origin of the term is and what has it got to do with "latin".
By the way, if you bought an apartment complex, good luck kicking out the people who live there. You would essentially be buying the contracts that the tenants had with the previous owner and you would be forced by law to honor them. Nothing says you have to accept to tenants, so once they left on their own accord they would have not right to come back, but leaving of their own accord hardly describes what happened to the native peoples of the Americas.
Interesting, if true. Actually, "America Latina" or Latin America was a term invented when the french emperor Maximilian invaded Mexico, to justify the occupation by another European country, in this case France (as a note, the Napoleonic French Empire sometimes was self-named as "Latin Empire"). Have a look at Michel Chevalier. To think that "latino" (which means "from the province of Lazio") is more "respectful of the heritage" than iberoamerican shows a deep mental indigence.
How is being "Latin" less Eurocentric the being Hispanic? Last time I checked Latin did not come from the Americas, nor did the romance languages which are used to define Latin America. One could argue that Hispanic is too Spain-centric, but that means for people who speak Spanish it is still just as accurate a term (not that it is perfectly accurate).
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"Tejano" in Texas is not "Hispanic" or "Latino". It refers to the European or Mestizo population that was before the Independence and ulterior annexation of Texas by the USA.-
i must digress, "latino" is not south american people living in the states, which by the way, she only mentioned mexico and caribbean countries.... all central american and south amercan countries are "latin" countries, but she keeps talking only about the population of latin people in america... id also appreciate if she used the word latin instead of latino, since shes using with "asexual" words as they are in english, in contrast to words in spanish which change for females and males
so if millions of them got on boats and went to Spain and Portugal they wouldn't be illegally immigrating their either because they share ancestry with the people. Does that mean I can move back to Ireland or Scotland without having to get a Visa, since my people lived their for a thousand years?
and Latin American american has nothing to do with language? The Latins were an Indo-European tribe of the Italic group (like germanic, celitc tribes ecc) founders of Rome and ancestors of modern day italians (and other people across Europe were the Roman Emopire ruled). It has nothing to do with south american natives/arifan slaves/spanish or portogese conquistadors. The only connection is the fact that they speak latin derived languages, that was the point of my previous comment.
And whatever happened to immigrants to the US wanting to become American? Now we have so many immigrants who live in America who are Chilean or Mexican or Cuban or Not-American. I think that speaks to the decline of American exceptionalism more than anything.
I know people who want the country of Puerto Rico to be the 51st state. Not the state of Puerto Rico. The country of Puerto Rico. I also know people who want Puerto Rico to be a state, but to also have its own representation in all international affairs. For instance, the World Baseball Classic and the Olympics. Does Utah have its own team? Wyoming? New York? No.
Why does that matter? Say I decide to buy an apartment building and kick out all of the tenets so I can build an abnormally large mansion. Is it okay for the former boarders to room in my mansion just because they lived there before I did?
National/cultural identity is much more nuanced than that. Would a white person waving an Irish flag on St. Patrick's day make him or her less "American?"
Brady, turn up the sound, in all your videos they are too quiet, always have to turn the volume up, sometimes even in my laptop limit it is still too low
The people parading Irish flags in America hardly ever speak the Irish language, know much of Irish culture or history, and they certainly do not have any loyalty to or serious affinities for the Republic of Ireland that transcend the superficialities of St. Patrick's day. There is absolutely no comparison here with Latinos. If those white people had loyalties to Ireland, the case would be different. In any case, we still need a working definition of the term "American".
Actually they signed various contracts and were somewhat complicit in the treatment they received. Yes, sure we treated them unfairly. But America owes nothing to the groups now. If an individual did not suffer an injustice himself/herself then that individual has no right to compensation. This goes back to the whole affirmative action debate. We wronged people in the past so now, hundreds of years later, we need to treat people differently to make up for the mistakes of the past?
Dear Lord! Why do we have to racialize everything? Controversy exists over all terms used to describe a collective. There are issues surrounding the term "white" and Caucasian as well and yet no one talks about those. Also, It doesn't matter that Latino presence predates the American Republic. We gained our land either through purchase or war. Who was here first is irrelevant. It matters only that America owns the land now.
You do realize that portuguese is a romance language, right? Wich means that saying you don't identify as a "latino" because you're brazilian is contradictory.
Latino: 2."A person of Hispanic, especially Latin-American, descent, often one living in the United States." Thefreedictionary. So,in english, brazilians are not latinos. Neither haitians are. .
Imagine a Spanish speaking country with a minority population of Americans, Indians, Australians and British. The Spanish speaking majority decides that since they all speak English they should be grouped as "Anglos" and soon they start talking about "anglo culture", "anglo food", "anglo music" and "the anglo race" as if they were all the same. That's how the word Latino feels to "latinos".
You forgot Romanian. It's also a Romance language as far as I know.
I saw almost all Puerto Rican flags, with a few Cuban flags at the beginning. Neither of those places are in Central America.
I love how these videos are often mini history lessons.
How can hispanic mean the same thing as latino if Brazil and French Guiana both don't spanish?
There is a restaurant in Baton Rouge called Mestizo that serves a fusion of Louisiana and Mexican food.
this woman kept my full attention the entire video, which is quite rare
Big lie! No one in Brazil really cares too much about how the U.S. categorizes the world.
Brazilians comprise almost half the population in latin america and still are not a significant immigration group in north america.
Brazil is culturally very different from hispanic countries, and is strongly influenced by Portuguese, African, Italian and German cultures.
As for "Latino" based on language, one should also add Italians, Romanian, French, French-Canadians and Portuguese.
More from this Stephanie please. She is passionate about the subject and is a better talker than the one in last week's video.
I love how she left out Romania when she talked about the roman speaking countries of Europe XD
In a strict, ethimology-based definition which doesn't correlate with common usage, "latino" would include Quebec and French Guiana as well as any country that primarily speaks a romance language.
Americans seem to include only people who speak Spanish even though most Brazilians consider themselves as people from latin america
LATINO HEAT!
Loved this video. Thanks, Brady!
Where did I say anything about compensation?
This woman is a highly skilled speaker.
What an excellent lecturer!
Brady, please make a channel about different languages!
Como você não poderia se o Brasil fica na América do sul e o português é a segunda lingua mais próxima do latim?
Romania is also a romance language speaking nation
I think that Latino is also too euro centrist as an Italian-American i identify with the word Latin but i don't think of my self as Hispanic or South american. Any thoughts.
In a lot of ways, their native country IS the U.S. California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and other states were a part of Mexico long before they were a part of the United States. Also, "American" refers to much more than just the U.S. despite what you may think. North and South America are continents and are often referred to as "the Americas" and anyone from them is technically American. Someone from Chile is American in the same way that someone from Greece is European, Mongolia is Asian.
So that's why that's its own question on the surveys!
I love how they display a slideshow of Hispanics parading with their national flags in the US and how she emphasizes their ties to their native countries and then claims they are throughly American. First define what you mean by the the term "American", Stephanie.
in the video the definitions of Latios is Spanish speaking person form America, but what about the Portuguese speaking person from America ?
It's very interesting how here in New York, that many Latinos are
I know! I'm just wondering why she used the phrase "so called"
this was a great video! really enjoyed it!
She says quite clearly at the very beginning of the video that the term "Latino" is derived from "Latin American", it has nothing to do with language.
Good speech, very informative and truthful.
Go back and listen to the first minute of the video
It's funny too me how the term latino is used to describe south amricans just because they speak latin derived langueges, It makes as much sense as calling the jamaicans anglo-saxons would.
Great lecture. I must admit I did learn something, thanks.
Can people from Quebec count as Latino?
Interesting that the term Latino doesn't work to tell where I am from, how do i look, or what's my main language.
You missed an "o".
Her main mistake is confound a cultural concept, Hispanic, with a racial one. A white Jewish Argentinian is as Hispanic as a descendant of the Maya or as a Venezuelan of mixed descent, even if they don't share recent common ancestors. The unity of the Americas that the Libertadores claimed was based on the cultural one, since they were mainly white "criollos" (for instance, Bolívar was of Basque, Canarian and Castilian descent).
Puerto Rico is in central america?
Thank you!
She kept my attention too. Plus I knew if I read the comments before the video ended it would be ruined for me...
...HOW DID I GET HERE?
...WHY AM I WATCHING THIS?
...WHY IS THIS INTERESTING?
Felipe, She didn't mention about it but Brazil is also Latin America. Don't worry! P.S. Portuguese is a Latin language as much as Spanish.
So are Brazilians then Latino but not Hispanic?
It's very interesting that here, in New York, many Latinos are of mixed race, but their culture is different than the so-called "black" culture. Where I live there are many Dominicans. Some Latinos apparently consider the Dominicans different from them because the dialect of Spanish spoken is different. Not just vocabulary, I understand, but having only rudimentary skills in the language, I cannot judge. PS most of the flags shown in photos in the video were Puerto Rican.
"Hispanic" would not refer to Latin Americans (i.e. Brazilians), so the terms are not completely synonymous.
I do not understand Puerto Rico. It confuses me. They are American citizens, but they don't consider themselves Americans. They voted to be the 51st state, but they want their 'country' to be listed separately. I don't get it. Thoroughly confusing.
I've been talking all of my life, I'd like to say I'm pretty good at it too
Well no shit, the term "American" can apply to anyone from the Americas and not just to residents of the United States? Who would have thought? Maybe that's why I commented on the need for her to clarify what she means by the term?
Could you make one about the word america? About how Amerigo Vespucci influenced the name of the continent, and how the US has "stolen" the term for themselves, pleeeeeaaasee
Usually the case with lecturers.
Also you never answered my question.
France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Switzerland, Romania...
Interesting, although very US centric. The term "latino americano" exists outside of the US, you know. And she didn´t explain what the origin of the term is and what has it got to do with "latin".
Would people from Brazil be in this category? If so "Hispanic" is a misnomer.
By the way, if you bought an apartment complex, good luck kicking out the people who live there. You would essentially be buying the contracts that the tenants had with the previous owner and you would be forced by law to honor them. Nothing says you have to accept to tenants, so once they left on their own accord they would have not right to come back, but leaving of their own accord hardly describes what happened to the native peoples of the Americas.
What about Brazilians? They have Portuguese origins.
In Latin America they're called just that, "Estado Unidenses" in Spanish.
I would think so. :)
Interesting, if true. Actually, "America Latina" or Latin America was a term invented when the french emperor Maximilian invaded Mexico, to justify the occupation by another European country, in this case France (as a note, the Napoleonic French Empire sometimes was self-named as "Latin Empire"). Have a look at Michel Chevalier.
To think that "latino" (which means "from the province of Lazio") is more "respectful of the heritage" than iberoamerican shows a deep mental indigence.
How is being "Latin" less Eurocentric the being Hispanic? Last time I checked Latin did not come from the Americas, nor did the romance languages which are used to define Latin America. One could argue that Hispanic is too Spain-centric, but that means for people who speak Spanish it is still just as accurate a term (not that it is perfectly accurate).
"Tejano" in Texas is not "Hispanic" or "Latino". It refers to the European or Mestizo population that was before the Independence and ulterior annexation of Texas by the USA.-
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i must digress, "latino" is not south american people living in the states, which by the way, she only mentioned mexico and caribbean countries....
all central american and south amercan countries are "latin" countries, but she keeps talking only about the population of latin people in america...
id also appreciate if she used the word latin instead of latino, since shes using with "asexual" words as they are in english, in contrast to words in spanish which change for females and males
Oh no, you'd be surprised. She's far better than the average.
yes, so "Hispanic" would not include Brazilians. "Latino" would include Brazilians. Hence, the words mean slightly different things.
There are a little bit more romance language speaking countries in Europe! And even more ethnic groups that she enumerated ...
I was just about to say the same.
Latino is the same in portuguese as well
-_- i only saw pictures of central american flags thats diversity?
Romanian is also a romance language, and Romania is also a part of Europe. But it never had an empire in the new world, so we can safely ignore it :-/
so if millions of them got on boats and went to Spain and Portugal they wouldn't be illegally immigrating their either because they share ancestry with the people.
Does that mean I can move back to Ireland or Scotland without having to get a Visa, since my people lived their for a thousand years?
and Latin American american has nothing to do with language? The Latins were an Indo-European tribe of the Italic group (like germanic, celitc tribes ecc) founders of Rome and ancestors of modern day italians (and other people across Europe were the Roman Emopire ruled). It has nothing to do with south american natives/arifan slaves/spanish or portogese conquistadors. The only connection is the fact that they speak latin derived languages, that was the point of my previous comment.
¡Voto latino de entre las masas, voto latino para la igualdad de razas!
Agree! Any person from the Americas is an American. :)
but... im from South America and i am white...
"O"kay. Anything else?
We all are Latinos! Remember, Portuguese language is a Romance language (from Latin language). =')
Technically you could.
And whatever happened to immigrants to the US wanting to become American? Now we have so many immigrants who live in America who are Chilean or Mexican or Cuban or Not-American. I think that speaks to the decline of American exceptionalism more than anything.
Romanian too.
I know people who want the country of Puerto Rico to be the 51st state. Not the state of Puerto Rico. The country of Puerto Rico. I also know people who want Puerto Rico to be a state, but to also have its own representation in all international affairs. For instance, the World Baseball Classic and the Olympics. Does Utah have its own team? Wyoming? New York? No.
Impressive video.
Very well spoken.
Why does that matter? Say I decide to buy an apartment building and kick out all of the tenets so I can build an abnormally large mansion. Is it okay for the former boarders to room in my mansion just because they lived there before I did?
@OberonTheGoat brazilians from Portugal
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What heritage?
What the spanish left us?
What the Naitve American left us?
What the black left us?
National/cultural identity is much more nuanced than that. Would a white person waving an Irish flag on St. Patrick's day make him or her less "American?"
Brady, turn up the sound, in all your videos they are too quiet, always have to turn the volume up, sometimes even in my laptop limit it is still too low
Loved this video, thank you! :-)
But we strangely isolated ourselfs from the Latin community...
The people parading Irish flags in America hardly ever speak the Irish language, know much of Irish culture or history, and they certainly do not have any loyalty to or serious affinities for the Republic of Ireland that transcend the superficialities of St. Patrick's day. There is absolutely no comparison here with Latinos. If those white people had loyalties to Ireland, the case would be different. In any case, we still need a working definition of the term "American".
You didn't. But I think that my arguments can be summed up by this video: /watch?v=xv7pu_YZCrg
and Mexico is half and half.
Actually they signed various contracts and were somewhat complicit in the treatment they received. Yes, sure we treated them unfairly. But America owes nothing to the groups now. If an individual did not suffer an injustice himself/herself then that individual has no right to compensation. This goes back to the whole affirmative action debate. We wronged people in the past so now, hundreds of years later, we need to treat people differently to make up for the mistakes of the past?
This is a great video although it could have been even better if the sound was a bit louder by default.
In every English speaking country they are a minority. So most English speakers will refer to them as that.
Dear Lord! Why do we have to racialize everything? Controversy exists over all terms used to describe a collective. There are issues surrounding the term "white" and Caucasian as well and yet no one talks about those.
Also, It doesn't matter that Latino presence predates the American Republic. We gained our land either through purchase or war. Who was here first is irrelevant. It matters only that America owns the land now.
You do realize that portuguese is a romance language, right? Wich means that saying you don't identify as a "latino" because you're brazilian is contradictory.
Latino: 2."A person of Hispanic, especially Latin-American, descent, often one living in the United States." Thefreedictionary.
So,in english, brazilians are not latinos. Neither haitians are. .
Sound volume too low.