why would kesha want to stay with sony records? no matter if she works with dr. luke or not, he will still make money off of her. he even admitted that he makes money off of the album “rainbow”. this who situation disgusts me because if a woman says that she was raped, everyone questions whether or not it is true, but if the woman says she was not raped, everyone takes it as a straight fact. what has our world come to?
i believe kesha because rape is NEVER sexual. as many people might think it is it isnt. rape is a COMPLETE POWER TRIP. showing physical dominance. explicitly showing and telling the victim they have no control or power to stop what is happening to them. dr luke can go. let him go, let him end.
Hellcat Thank you! Many women in abusive relationships stay out of fear and the very manipulation that they want free from. Sony is accomplice to it and is a part of the gaslighting techniques abusers use themselves.
The only problem was--is--, while Kesha, is of course, pursuing more music, he is still benefiting off of her. His team even released statements saying that exact thing. That Kesha is still working under his approval. That her new record and everything coming from it were still approved by him.
kylo kyoki I took bible study and when you read how important praising is to God and how the angels sing holy, holy holy to Him, you have to know music is key and Lucifer was top notch angel in charge of music and instruments until he rebelled. Since Adam sinned Satan took over lease of earth and has run a muck ever since. God will only let him go so far unless like these celebrities who don’t know God and open the door to Satan. I don’t understand Whitney or Michael Jackson, they grew up with some knowledge of God.
one thing to note: as stated by the court, Kesha is free to create music on her own music without Dr.Luke's influence, but any music she wants to put out will be released through kemosabe records, of which Dr.Luke is the CEO. So while Kesha is "free" to make music, whether or not she actually gets to put anything out is still under Dr.Luke's control.
Everything she makes with other producers, would still be legally owned by Dr.Luke. Hence why she hasn't taken the offer. If she were to, he would pick the singles released, the tracklist of the album, the promotion budget for the promotion of the music, everything...even if he had no involvement in making the music. Everything she does musically, belongs to him.
Physically and emotionally abusive are the characteristics of aggressive men who believe in their power over women in. Seeing one behave this way in person most people would think twice about assuming nothing bad could happen when they're alone. Trust me. He did it. He has issues with women and that's putting it nicely.
+SeeWaffle9 That was years ago. I'm not saying that it happened but it doesn't change much. People deny rape/abuse by someone close to them all the time.
another reason she did not want to continue working w sony is because everyone loved dr luke, so even if she kept making music w sony w a different producer, they wouldnt promote her music in the same way. which is exactly what happened now that shes working w sony again w her new album high road. zero promo and only one song sent to radio and it only was played for 2 weeks.
I hope she gets her freedom. #FreeKesha yes she said no she didn't get raped but it's because he threatened her, her family, and her animals. And she isn't free to do music without luke. She's signed to his record label so he'll still profit from HER. Next month is when she'll present evidence to the court
Wait Did Kesha Write praying About Dr Luke? Because Most Likely He Told Her She Was Nothing Without Him? Because She Also Said Cause You Brought The Flames And You Put Me Through Hell Which He Did When He Sexually Abused Her. Kesha Since The Judge Had Taken Dr Luke’s Side She Had To Learn How To Fight For Herself So I Think Most Likely That Song Was About Him. In Her Music Video On One Of The Televisions It Said Truth?
If He was innocent, they would just let her go to prevent more problems, but that’s blackmail! If what you speak is truth NEVER back down! Ps. Girls don’t sign with Sony, wait if you’re that talented and have faith in yourself, a better record deal will come along. Doesn’t Mariah Carey’s idiot ex work for Sony?!
I think she's bad ass but makes me sad at the same time. That sounds more like opening a can of worms than gaining attention... She really didn't have anything to gain by going up against someone that big. I'm glad Sony got rid of him. I know I'm late.
Idk why no one thinks about the fact that for a trauma victim, it is probably really hard to go back to the same place day after day. She finally gained her strength to stand up for herself. Why should she have to go back to that?
Just because Sony and the court says that Kesha is free to work with whomever she chooses and that she doesn't have to work with Dr. Luke anymore doesn't mean anything. Luke is still her boss and anything she wants to release MUST go through him - he must okay everything she does if she wants to keep making music. That's what this is about. I wouldn't want my rapist to be my boss, or tell me what to do either!
NO sir I don't see what you are saying. Who cares if she was given the freedom to record without him. She was trying to get justice for herself, was not going to take back her truthful statements about her abuse. If you are looking at the FACTS of this case you would understand sir that your opinion on what she is doing doesn't matter, you are even in the slightest supporting Dr. Luke you don't get to share your thoughts on it. Take a walk in her shoes man. heels are hard to walk in, aren't they?
Madonna Music I think it's more to do with the guy reporters attitude on the subject. The way he is talking seems like he's bias to Sony and Dr Luke. Very uncomfortable to watch. He basically sounds like he doesn't believe Kesha. Ugh. No wonder so many women and men don't come forward after being sexually assaulted.
EVERYONE REMEMBER , Michael Jackson was with Sony from the very beginning . When he died , they fought to get all the money from his music . They won a huge amount of the money just recently .
+Phoenix Elm Of course they have, everyone lies. Nobody is infallible, some women make false rape accusations which of course ruin the lives of those who they tarnish, the same is true for men i know of one case in Kentucky where a man claimed a gay neighbor of his son, purely because his son came out as gay. Everyone lies, regardless of gender, religion or race, everyone lies.
+Robbie Johannson male student stile his teachers phone hacked took personal pictures off it blacked mailed her with it when she reported it he claims rape
@Isardella yeah iknow that dr luke won the court because kesha dropped her case. She is a liar and tried to sue him to get out of a contract she didn't like
I'm a fan of the show, but what you're suggesting is "ruin someone's career, reputation and potentially life on appeals to emotion and not fact." You say you support "innocent until proven guilty" in one breath and then contradict that statement in the next. Get it together TYT.
Cenk believes Kesha because "It's a helluva thing not to tell the truth about." But it happens: UVA Jackie, Duke LaCrosse, Columbia's "Mattress Girl", and the Brian Banks case are all cases where women made false rape charges. Kesha did not make her charges until AFTER she was in the contract dispute. She previously testified under oath that Dr. Luke did not rape her. Why would she get out of another contract to get back under contract with her rapist? Why would she not make the accusation until AFTER she was in the contract dispute. Then Sony tries to accommodate her by allowing her to work with another producer, but she refuses because she would still be under the same contract. I'd say she has a million reasons to make a false rape charge.
+semperjase Greek tragedy "Hippolytus": Title character dies after being disowned and exiled by his father, who believes his wife's claim that she was sexually assaulted by her stepson. She lied in order to save herself from shame for lusting after none other than said stepson, Hippolytus. If even the Greeks, thousands of years ago, were writing about false rape accusations, I think it's pretty safe to say that it happens every once in a while. Of course, you can't tell Regressives like Cenk jack shit.
Hi- can you guys do an update on Kesha? I know it's "just pop culture" and not considered "real news" by some....but I JUST got onto her new music... and considering what all she's been through- it's more powerful and soul stirring than anything I've heard or felt in a long time. She is Elevating Pop music right now in this moment. "Prayer" is victorious, and "Woman" is the most fun and empowering Pop song I've heard in ages- with real instruments and brass behind it too. Her name is now Kesha not Ke$ha. To me it's interesting how she's a great example of how her talent was being wasted and exploited so much before- Bc everyone is SHOCKED at her talent now, but it was always there, she was just being dumbed down and objectified- which considering what poignant stuff she is capable of- shows what a travesty that is- and it's a bigger issue than just Kesha- it's the whole music industry- and the messages they promote to the youth of the whole world. It's really meaningful now what Kesha is doing and that she's not broken and she's back with such a vengeance.
the court case where Kesha broke down was even over rape it was about something else? At least to my understand (Please correct me if I'm wrong) I don't mean to be disrespectful either.
A reason why she dosent want to work with another producer is because she said that she would be worried that she wouldn't be as big as a singer because they would put her with the "lower class" producers
innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to rape allegations... That's the problem with rape allegations. No matter how innocent you are, it will still ruin you. Just look at Michael Jackson. Some people claimed he was a child molester. The lawyer advised him to settle and be done with it back in the day, so he did. Worst advise he got, because now people assumed he was guilty. So when he got accused again, everyone assumed he was guilty, again. This time, he didn't want to settle. He was acquitted in court, as in innocent, but people still think he did it.
The Joker sure... but he further explained how people have a dirty mind, and that he was talking about sleeping. Every parent knows children wants to sleep in the same bed as their parent. Children wake up during the night and get into their parents bed. Kids with trust issues doesn't do that. If a child doesn't want to sleep in the same bed as an adult, there might be a problem.
So here is the scenario I imagine. Kesha is cool and she is innocent and has some problems with some people. Luke is cool too and helped her because he wanted to help, she saw him as a way to solve her problems and then took advantage and used him to get out her situation but she didnt mean it personally.
This is actually an amazing idea. I don’t know about USA but here in Italy for employees we have organizations that protect their rights for free and in any situation and that’s why the employers are scared to mistreated their employees, coz they know they will face consequences. Music industry needs same organizations but tailored for artists. Those organizations usually fight for new and better laws to be implemented too. It never crossed my mind before so thanks for the idea.
-Sony invests in Kesha when she is nothing (worthless), and makes her sign into a contract for several records. -Kesha claims rape (innocent until proven guilty) and wants out of her contract. -Kesha has produced several records after alleged rape. -Kesha swears under oath in 2011 that Dr.Luke never sexually assaulted or drugged her. -Sony offered to replace her producer, Kesha refused. -Kesha still wants out of her contract. ...just a few things not really mentioned or put into context that change how you look at things.
You are obviously right, but it shouldn't even matter. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess the opinion of some tumblr feminists is more important...
***** I think you miss the point of the post. I am presenting the alternative point of view that the media is "forgetting" and missing some legitimate points. Please explain a few points: 1. Kesha obviously knew her contract was with sony, so why would she or we believe the threat by dr luke of ruining her career to be true (if it ever happened). 2. Since sony did offer Kesha a new producer why did kesha refuse? If Dr.Luke did rape her, a new producer must obviously been what she wanted, right? 3. Accounting for her fame and wealth in 2011 during the 2011 trial/deposition why should we believe that Kesha and her lawyers would not of used the opportunity to attest to the crime?
5:09.. Well, think about how impossible it is to prove that you DIDN'T rape anyone. That's even harder. So stop spreading those rape allegations without solid evidence. You are ruining a mans life here, and you have no idea whether he raped her or not.
I"m sorry, but this whole case is a joke. 1. There is no physical evidence. 2. It doesn't matter how many pop celebrities copy her by saying he raped them too, it doesn't make it more true. and 3. You signed you life away to be a corporate pop idol, they pay you millions, make your music for you, set up your tours, do all of your publicity, etc. You're damn right they are going to ask you to stop slandering someone who works at the company when there is no evidence. This isn't a admittance of guilt, it's them paying to make this problem go away because it's hurting their bottom line even if though it's probably going to turn out false in a court of law. Also, you're still under contract with them, so i'm not going to be teary eyed when a court rules that you still have to work for them.
You guys are incredible. Newsflash: Just because you are a bossy boss or abusive it does not mean you are a rapist. So PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE, try to be real news reporters and be IMPARTIAL.
+Information769 Trollish a**holes and pro rape meninist morons. Sadly we live in an age where cowardly idiots will still root for the villain just because they think it's funny. Pretty messed up.
Regardless of anyone's opinion on this particular issue, I still think TYT covered both arguments objectively; something I'm not used to seeing from them. I would think people would appreciate that, but whatever.
+Information769 They certainly attempted to be open about it without invalidating her claims or painting him as definitely an evil rapist. *looking up* Leave it to the partisan commenters with chips on their shoulders and little more than personal gripes to go off to do that. It's like TYT are actually shining a light on how difficult and nuanced the courts and legal system can be. Or how it can be difficult for a genuine rape victim to come forward when it's tough to prove and our systems operate (so that they can't be abused) on a 'innocent until proven guilty' basis that doesn't help them if they have little evidence. Or how it can be equally difficult to defend yourself from an accusation for similar reasons - people lying about being rapists because they know it's hard to prove and people lying about being raped because they know it's an equally hard accusation to refute. Taking an austere point of view on either position really only helps people get away with doing one thing or the other, which in turn creates more and more people likely to do it. The fact is - whether we like it or not - each case is very different and should be treated differently, as an individual incidence when it comes to things like accusations, innocence, guilt and the court of public opinion. If there is a larger problem that problem needs to be addressed _outside_ the case at hand instead of applied so that we don't have to think too hard and can satisfy our 'Men = bad' or 'Women = bad' narratives. People are bad, not genders. Unfortunately the world is full of people who think that if you're a man you're just a rapist waiting to happen and if you're a woman you'll cast false accusations at the drop of a hat when the truth is - thankfully - that I think the law doesn't take either position very strongly and is more interested in the rocky, difficult and unenviable position of observing due process. For now, at least. Give it time and give the kinds of comments here enough attention and that will change, one way or the other and to the detriment of everyone.
I simply left a point that was brought up from another story and not just here.....she said in deposition Dr Luke did not drug or rape her....that was interesting, and the fact no proof of rape was brought up....I have no axe to grind and I also know what it's like to be in a record deal that you want to break due to any reason.....my point here is if she lied about the drug/abuse then she's not doing women any justice, and it's for her own gain instead of what's proper......I'm very curious about what is true here I'm not trolling just to stir up nonsense here
I like how people always pretend that she has a career to lose. She never had a career. Her producer(s) had. She only made some semi-pleasant squeaky noises that got autotuned into generic pop tunes.
There are enough fake rape accusations out there that I don't feel like backing anyone in a "he said she said" case. You are innocent until proven guilty, period.
The lengths some people are willing to go to keep a lie going should not be underestimated. You'd be disgusted if you read some of the cases that has happened before with false rape accusations. Disgusting people. She could be telling the truth, maybe it's even PLAUSIBLE that she is telling the truth, but unless she can prove it I won't believe it. Innocent until proven guilty.
You know what disgusts me more than someone lying about rape? Someone who WAS raped and no one believes her. To me, it's more sick to doubt a girl who was raped than to lie about it.
Dancetips So you want to ruin the lives of anyone with a crazy ex girlfriend willing to lie? Send innocent men to prison for a mere accusation of rape, with no evidence to back it up?
women cry rape all the time when it is usually false. There needs to be a law if you falsely accuse someone of a crime you go to prison for the same duration they would have received if found guilty.
togashi Most rape claims are coming from young woman who got drunk and slept with someone they wouldn't have if sober. Men find themselves in this situation as well but they don't cry rape they just chalk it up as a bad night. If a woman gets drunk and drives a car and causes an accident we don't forgive her because she was drunk. If a drunk woman stabs someone she isn't let off the hook, but when a drunk woman has consensual sex suddenly she is the victim and didn't know what she was doing.
crazywaffleking *most* rape cases aren't actually reported because theres a negative stigma associated with it like the one you're describing, victims will think others will assume they were faking it and have to live with emotional trauma from the event with no justice. most rapes occur in cultures where rape is not usually punished, so if we want rape to go down we need to stop accidentally supporting the criminal behavior. a drunk person driving is causing potential harm to other people, so is a stabbing. if you are drunk and a sober person takes advantage of you when you're in a delirious state then it is rape. drunk sex is considered rape when the person is physically unable to give consent, like passed out, having cognition issues, or unable to walk straight.....AND the other person would have to be sober-ish. this is why rape is so hard to convict people for, theres just no way to know what happens. having a few beers, getting drunk (but not really really drunk), and having sex with someone you regret later isn't rape, i agree, some people will take it too far. i wish there were a higher percentage of people who would know better than to have sex with a drunk person but its really not possible for everyone. the world is full of sick people, but i think rapists are much more dangerous to our society to begin with and i don't want to silence real victims.
Get your statistics, where are you pulling this, "majority of rape accusations are false" bullshit from? Your ass? Your narrow perspective of rape? And furthermore, intoxication inhibits consent. Check the definition of consent.
this cenk uygur is driving me a lil nuts dr.luke is still gunna profit off of all keshas music with sony. His team even released statements that are saying the exact thing. That Kesha will still be working under his approval. That her new record and everything coming from it are still approved by him. as kesha that would make me sick. not only they are not going back all the way to the beginning when she satrted her career. The whole entertainment industry is the devil period. A person should never be controlled in such a manner. Dr. luke has been called abusive physically and emotionally to the women he produces maybe even more who knows. all the music and entertainment industry does is give out hush money money or end up with so called suicides!!! think about that
Yeah, because you have to be all that in order to realize the importance of evidence and that everyone is innocent till PROVEN guilty. All your side ever presents as a counter point is pathetic ad hominem attacks such as these.
sgtsnakeeyes11 Well, argue for it then. You haven't done anything but make claims. Where are the supporting arguments or evidence? Even if, perhaps, some people are disproportionately violently denying Keshas claims, it would be understandable. Retarded feminists for years now have been pushing for absolute stupid solutions to rape, by saying that every rape victim should be believed and the accused should be punished regardless of evidence, or that comedians can't make jokes about rape, or using pregnant women who were raped, for their argument for abortion. Which is a fallacy, because they want abortion to be, as it is, a banal popular act, while defending it with small individual cases, where they appeal to sentimentality instead of argument. (This isn't an anti-abortion rant, but using rape as an argument for popularized abortion, available to everyone is nonsense ) Or the amount of famous rape cases, that the feminists went apeshit about, only for it to have been debunked and shown to either be fake or untrue. So looking at the track record of stupidity, concerning rape, I don't think it's to be of much amazement that many people are starting to be increasingly skeptical and it's your sides fault. Because you have been wrong many times, as it's expected, because you don't see the importance of evidence.
I can't believe how easy it is to ruin somebody's reputation based on accusations every rape accusations should be kept private until a judge makes a decision on whether the accused is guilty
J'Chris pretty sure you can only do that if you have proof the judge is biased. or...we can just go by the court system like we do now... where juries decide.... so we avoid corruption in the government......
Didn't Kesha say she wasn't sexually assaulted by him in a deposition in 2011. The question is did she lie in the deposition or is she lying now. Either way, she lied at one point.
+L.M I'm haven't been follow this news story, but just wondering why did that question even come up back in 2011? That is a really odd question to randomly come up. What was the 2011 deposition for?
+Albert1492 I think the supposed rape in question took place before 2011. Just type kesha deposition in UA-cam and she names Dr Luke as well. it's all on the internet
So if someone accuses you of rape, even though you did not do it or even know the person accusing you, you should be tried or jailed anyway ? Are you gonna argue "blah, blah, the system should protect me" ? Don't be blind. The system will rape your freedom so long as someone is convincing enough to look like a victim.
AdayDr1en What are you talking about. You're acting as if it's only bad when it happens to the alleged rapist, all I'm saying is that it's just as bad if not worse when it happens to the victim.
+Infamous No I'm not. I'm speaking of the "falsely accused"(who can end up as much or worse victims than rape victims) which you seem to disregard any thought for. My point is that it shouldn't be so easy to convict a person of a crime just because it's "really hard" to prove doing. There is no proof of his wrong doing ? He should not be automatically guilty. "Oh, well, I can't tell if he raped her. There are both very convincing. There is no evidence of anything been done. What do we do ?" *cuffs the accused, tries him, possibly jails him* You're okay being an unfortunate victim of a false accusation just because the alleged crime against you is hard to prove wrong doing of, apparently.
+Infamous u r the close minded one if u can't think from the other perspective. I came into this thread thinking that rape is worse, but now I can see how being falsely accused can be worse in some cases
I love how anti-corporate everyone is until it's about rape. I love how people understand that the justice system is rigged until it's about rape. I love how people are willing to understand that people will say things they don't mean under societal/economic/legal pressure until it's about rape.
+Peter Coffin so it's ok to commit perjury? It's ok to want to crucify someone in the court of public opinion instead in a court of justice? Listen and believe is flawed. Talk to Brian Banks, Gian Ghomeshi, Tupac, Duke lacrosse playes, uva, etc.
cmbsoldja but how do you prove it then even if you know the person? Your asking for definitive proof like in a murder trial and it's not that easy and also by coming out with something like that the woman gets treated like shit for being the victim so don't you think that makes it a bit harder for us?
Isn't it possible that what the court says is not necessarily in line with what the company she is contractually bound to says? What I don't get is why Sony is so behind Luke? It is not difficult to find a producer, or ten producers, or even 20 or 30 producers to replace him. If I were in the position to call these kinds of shots I would have dropped him immediately and paired her up with a few producers as quickly as possible to try and get a match that we could then promote: preferably a cool friendly producer with a rep for being a nice guy. The whole thing feels ridiculous.
+Damian Dimock My guess he'd sue them for ruining his career without any reason. You can't just fire people over hearsay, which without a conviction, is what this is, right? That lawsuit could be very expensive for them...
+Gaute Løken Yeah lawsuit is the likely answer but I just don't see why they don't just remove him from having anything to with Kesha in particular and keep him as a producer on their label.
+Fred D Sony shouldn't have put that as a condition for her leaving her contract them. IT makes it more fucking suspicious point towards the validity that Kesha was raped.
So you're implying Sony, a huge corporation, is conspiring for some reason? I think they'd drop him like a hot pancake if they had any suspicion it was true. The key point here is that there is no evidence. Kesha herself testified that she never had sex with dr Luke. So why believe the current version over another? Was she lying then or is she lying now? I don't know, neither do you.
lordblazer Anyway, Sony had millions invested into her and Dr Luke is a big cash generator for them (his job is essentially turning hot women into singers slash cash machines). As to the exact reason and internal discussions within Sony, I just don't know. Also keep in mind that a NEW singer is probably going to have a contract heavily advantaging Sony. That in itself would be a reason for Kesha to want to cancel that agreement and go to another house to get a better contract.
+Fred D You've got a great theory, but the truth is that you don't know either. You can't be sure that Dr. Luke is innocent, anymore than others can be sure that he is guilty... Rape cases are hard to prove, because often there is no evidence, that's why it's so problematic and why often there's no way out of "he said, she said".
What is being forgotten here is that just because a company releases a statement saying 'you can still work with us', doesn't mean they are going to fund you adequately, promote you or support you enough for you to actually sell records. That may leave a person bitter, and maybe that's why she decided to say something.
It is actually immoral to assume someones guilt before due process... it is immensly more immoral to assume someones guilt after due process if they have been found innocent. I love the hypotheticals. Yes, if you are accused of a crime and you dont get convicted that doesnt mean we know you didnt do it it just means we couldnt prove you did it. And you know what, just because noone has accused you of a crime doesnt mean you havent committed a crime. Anyone can be guilty of anything at any time, This only proves that if you are accused of rape, you are guilty no matter what the verdict is. #feminism
Not following your logic of assuming rape and then bringing feminism into this. That's like talking about corruption and abuse of authority by McDonalds managers underpaying workers and such, and then going #bodypositive. Nobody said anything about the equity of men and women, but way to randomly blame whatever you don't like 😂
Florence Smith 1) The rape quesiton is a frequently talked about in feminism,.and its absolutely a feminist issue 2) The idea of "believing the victim" is a mantra of feminism 3) The idea that you are guilty just by beeing accused is promoted in feminist circles, just listen to anita sarkesians "listen and believe" speach. and there are lots more examples. Im sorry but this question has been synonymous with feminism since the dawn of 3rd wave feminism and its not getting better. And yes i was useing hyperbole...
***** I hate when people bring this stupid analogy. First off they said she doesnt have to work with him. You are innocent until proven guilty. Just because she is a women and she says ohhhhh I got raped doesnt mean you have to automatically agree with her what about him. There was no evidence he did anything.
+RainbowColored Infinity HAHA YES!! Mothers are humans too! Shieeet mothers are all some untouchable figures that can do no wrong? I guess you had a nice childhood! hahahaha
Well even Michael Jackson spoke up about Sonny and called them the devil, but nobody wanted to believe him cause he was made out to look crazy and a child molester. So obviously Sony got some skeletons in their closets and most up and coming artists are afraid to speak up. If he biggest star in the industry tried it already and failed miserably then what's a lil barely known person going to to do? Even Mariah Carey hated her husband and Sony for the abuse she suffered from them and that's why she left him. MJ said she came crying to him and didn't see no way out and then as she got free for some reason she started having "mental and drug issues" and had to check herself in a clinic. Coincidence? I don't think so!
+Andrew Devine No he wasn't!!! Sony did that to him cause he wanted out of his contract with them. He hated how they treated the artists and especially black artist and ever since he went from Epic to Sony he went downhill. These ppl eff you up if you ain't doing what they want you to do and you can see it with more and more ppl speaking up now. Don't let them fool you, they have the power to make everyone look a certain way and maybe even make you go to sleep forever? They don't play!
+Andrew Devine No he wasn't!!! Sony did that to him cause he wanted out of his contract with them. He hated how they treated the artists and especially black artist and ever since he went from Epic to Sony he went downhill. These ppl eff you up if you ain't doing what they want you to do and you can see it with more and more ppl speaking up now. Don't let them fool you, they have the power to make everyone look a certain way and maybe even make you go to sleep forever? They don't play!
Just because you can't provide physical evidence doesn't mean that it didn't happen. He's been her handler and after she went to rehab she came back fighting.
I just have one question to ask. What if Kesha lied about the rape accusation? Kesha lost nothing in this whole thing whereas Dr Luke lost his reputation and his job based on an accusation from what I can see.
+Mike D I'm not picking sides but there have been many cases of victims changing their story to not being attacked due to fear. There have been quite a bit of studies on that.
+Karina Schumm He still doesn't deserve to lose his job and reputation based on an accusation. From what I can see, there's really no evidence to convict the guy.
Karina Schumm That's understandable but that doesn't mean he should lose his job and his reputation based on what is effectively an unproven accusation. I have no idea if he raped her but I certainly wouldn't attack him based on what Kesha says. It sets a very bad precedent and causes doubt in the justice system. Once trust is lost in the justice system, we'll quickly fall into anarchy.
She never asked for him to lose his job though. All she wanted was to not work with him or Sony as far as I know she never asked for him to be fired but I could be wrong
just asking and please correct me if i have a flaw in my logic: if kesha in 2011 swore under oath that dr. luke did not sexually abuse her and she never had sex with him and now she says he did rape her, doesn't it make her commit perjury if her new statements were true? or a liar for the current cases if her statements under oath were true? wasn't it the argumentation why she lost the recent cases because of her statments under oath? i mean her statements under oath and her allegations now can't be true at the same time, at least not legally or can they? can there be punishments for lying under oath retroactivly, like if she wins a court case where dr. luke gets cinvicted as a rapist, but that's in conflict with her statements under oath, can she get the up to 5 years in prison punishment? i mean wouldn't it be prove for her statements under oath being not true?
+joshuawhere it was reported by different media like dailymail, you can read the transcripts of her statements published here: www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2802370/kesha-swore-oath-2011-deposition-dr-luke-did-not-sexually-abuse-undercutting-rape-allegations-latest-lawsuit.html
King Andy Interesting. I'd say all that makes her story more believable, not less. Think about why she had to deny it in the first place: because she was talking about it while in rehab, to doctors and so on. For people who don't believe her, is that supposed to be some kind of calculated move in anticipation of maybe wanting to get out of her contract later? That doesn't sound very likely. She actually says in one of those letters to her fans that she and her family had been tortured; kinda works with the argument that she and her mother might have made those depositions under some kind of threat. Lakobos Merkel Sounds to me like her legal team will be arguing that she made that deposition under duress, which would probably work as a defense against perjury.
It doesn't matter if it's more believable or anything. Back in 2011 there was ZERO evidence. Than she has sworen under oath that he's innocent. It's just impossible to win any case against him now, if you don't pull a video out of your ass or something like that.
She already said under oath in court she never got raped by him and now she wants out her contract she is suddenly saying he raped her..... I think she is lying but she is in too deep and it has gone global to pull out. If he raped her why would she go back and work for him??? They can say contract but there is so much bs he maybe an asshole but that does not mean hes a rapist.... Lets get her on a lie detector and all the other women who said he raped them.
+bugatti1075 lie detectors cant be used in courts because of their inaccuracy. Anyway. why was Kesha asked if she was raped in the first place? why was the video made? who told her to make it?
+Stephen Hewitson It was apart of court video records from 20011 i belive (date could be wrong) She says he never made sexual advances at her and also says he never roofied her. Her mum basically say it never happened either. there is the video its about 1.30 min long and cuts to the important bits its not spam i promise. /watch?v=uhIkyPRjCGk
+bugatti1075 if you look at other released court statements/timelines, you will see the facts that lead up to Dr. Luke forcing Kesha to expunge/drop prior assault and verbal charges before 2011. And he forced Kesha and her mom to lie on oath... or he would threaten her and her family
These people are so preachy.... This isn't news, this is a bunch of people getting together and stating their personal opinions, not facts.... It's just sad.
If i was raped then no I wouldn't sign a note saying I wasn't rape. I also wouldn't state in a court of law that I wasn't raped by that person. You guys don't seem to mention that in 2011 she stated that in a court of law.
Can you guys just keep posting the election night show. The Young Turds having their awesome meltdown is the only show worth watching. Greatest online episode ever.
I'm disliking it because well it felt more bias infavor of kesha. i dont expect tyt to be fully unbiased but... jeez. The amount of times tyt themselves have reported women and false rape accusations and people's lives being ruined? Ya know alot of guys never dealt with a woman who just abused the R word. Im thinking this guy had sex with her... when she was "raped" and she renewed her contract with him after...???? Which is like... Something she didnt have to do... and now she wants out of her contract because its not working out with DR Luke.. and now shes calling him a rapist... See where this is going? The courts show Kesha isnt favored by the facts. Its all too easy for a woman to just say rape when relationships dont go the way they want and ruin a whole mans life. For this im actually thankful republicans put in laws across states needing burden of proof.. for awhile it wasnt needed for you to go to jail or be held or be charged. He might be a jerk. Did they have a working and sexual relationship? yes. Did it work out? no. I feel just because shes sick of the guy hes now being labled a rapist and the courts showed kesha had every oppurtunity to get away or report or not renew with. She was already a star... none of us knew who dr luke was..Its not like omg she mad a new song... yeah but theres no DR LUKE... ? like wtf... plz... I think this is a mentally unstable drug abusing woman who wants to ruin a mans rep because their relationship didnt work well.
+Mikhail Tagallie The problem with what you write here is that it is complete speculation. You do not know, and your two cents on the matter really doesn't do anything but purport and continue a very backwards and narrow minded perspective regarding your understanding of what rape is.
Nickel Pickler sounds like you dont know what it is either to assume that. I mean ur just speculating yourself. Im just repeating some facts and with my own speculation which seems to be what the court favors. But personally i do have experience in that field. Id say more actual women and society and sensationalized media don't know what rape is. If she went through an aggressive or under duress sexual encounter than i would understand. That is rape in many instances outside of a relationship. A woman's moodswings and hatered of someone for being an asshole isnt. Sex is complicated. Yelling the R word shoudnt be so simple.
We love you Ana, but it's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. We can't jump on every allegation made by every woman, famous or not. I feel sorry for every victim of rape or assault but you can't sit on that shit for months and then expect everyone to believe you..
Here is the problem with rape allegations and trying to pick a side. Sexual assault is VERY hard to prove. What most people think of sexual assault isn't the type of assault that happens everyday. Rape is sex without consent. Consent is only given if the party is able to give consent. Every weekend many women have sex while drunk, and they are not able to give consent. These are cases of rape. Many times women feel pressured into having sex when they don't want to, this also is a form of sexual assault. But many women just put up with it. When a woman is asleep, and the man has sex with her, that's also a form of rape. Many times this goes unreported as the questions come as to why are you in their bed, you must have had it coming? These are all VERY hard to prove in the court of law that they happened, BUT by definition they are all sexual assault. I have no problem believing Keisha's side on this, and like all of these people, they said it's more than likely to have happened and I believe it's more than likely to have happen. With that said, if this was to go to a court of law, I highly doubt Dr. Luke would get charged let alone convicted. Sexual assault is something that's very blurry and if there is no hard evidence (which there is rarely is) then you can't convict without a reasonable doubt. I truly feel sorry for those like Keisha, the many who are caught in these grey areas of the legal system that was designed in a time when it was illegal for a woman to testify against a man. We now have to fix our legal system to adjust to sexual assault.
Seriously? So if a grown woman decides to take (for example) some ecstasy, Coke or Molly and this makes her horny and she decides to have sex with someone... He is now a rapist and needs to be thrown in jail and labeled a sexual predator for the rest of his life? Should men walk around with a printed sex contract that every woman they have sex with must sigh swearing she is 100% of sound mind and body, has I consumed no alcohol or drugs legal or otherwise.... Oh wait, even if he had that contract it wouldn't be valid because of you sign a contract while under the influence, it's void. OK so maybe men should somehow be able to purchase their own breathalyzers or drug tests, just to be safe or your whole life can be destroyed by a rape claim, because it'll be your job to prove your not guilty. That's bullshit.
alex2143 I agree and disagree. Also, you have to remember other things were legal when the justice system was set up, we are slow to modernize it. What I'm saying is that we need to have a system set up to deal with rape and sexual assault. There needs to be something, because many times, like this case, there are many around the situation that say this more than likely happened, but you can't really prove anything. Because of our, without a reasonable doubt standard, many men get away with sexual assault and when nothing happens to them, they repeat the actions. This is a problem. Men are always worried about false accusations, but the stats show that many more women are assaulted and it's not reported than men are falsely accused, in fact the numbers are not even close. So we have to find a way to make sure we deal with this issue.
alex2143 Tell me, what do we do about the fact 1 in 6 women in the United States have been sexual assaulted. That's about 2.6 million women in this country. Between the ages of 12-30 are at the greatest risk. So we're not even just talking young women, who you seem to think of as pray, but also young children. This 1 in 6 number is actually a conservative number, the NY Times reports 1 in 5 according to their own polling. But I'm using 1 in 6 which is the number used by RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network). We need to update the legal system to deal with these situations. I don't know about you, but I've known many women over my lifetime, including close family, who've had to deal with sexual assault. In almost all cases, the guy walked free because of lack of evidence and they repeated their behavior. This needs to be fixed.
martyc909 Pray tell, how would you update the legal system then? You say that the guy walked free because of lack of evidence. How would you fix this problem? Guilty until proven innocent? Please tell me, I have no idea. How would you fix this problem?
alex2143 You know, if it was just close family, I might say that what we dealt with was isolated. But the jarring problem comes with how many women are affected by this. And in order to improve this huge flaw in our justice system it's two fold. One being the actual court system and the other being prevention. The first starts with teaching young people their rights. Not just women but men too. What is consent, what to do if something happens and you didn't give consent, all of these areas. Go beyond thinking that sexual predators are creepy men in dark alleys, but let them know that the vase majority of sex assault happens by someone you know. How to report, and who to tell. Also train police to better handle these situations. Many police are trained to right away question victims, but in many of these cases police reports that are filed turn out to not be relevant because at the time victims go through shock and don't remember much. After time they remember more which counters their report at the scene. So then this is used to discredit the victim. Instead train police to more appropriately handle these situations. Now for the courts, a few things they can do. Have legal experts there for victims. Many times women are filing complaints on their own. There have been cases that prove something happened, but the woman didn't have a lawyer and the DA's drop the case no matter how much evidence there is. DA is a publicly elected official, these are cases they are normally not looking to take on because it's hard to win these cases. We need to fix that and find a way to get these victims support. Out of 100 incidents, only 7 are even filed and 3 are even heard. The system must find ways to support victims and help them legally through the process.
I believe her. Her career was doing just fine before this. It wouldn't have made sense for her to make this allegation and started it if it weren't true. She had so much to lose and so little to gain (and it proved to be the case thus far). It just wouldn't have made any sense. I believe her.
The problem is that she continued to work with this guy for almost a decade after he supposedly raped her. At the height of her fame, she decided to bring those allegations forward...probably in hopes of getting out of her terrible contract. Unfortunately, I do believe she is of the character to make false rape accusations. Ultimately, she provided no evidence, creating a he said/she said case in a crime that is notoriously difficult to prove if the victim doesn't report the crime as soon as it happens. Now, would Sony offer her that deal? Yep. Its bad PR to have somebody running around associating your brand with rape. At the same time, it would ruin her career. Nobody would work with a person who who admitted to false rape accusations...which is why she chose to go to court. That way, she can still save face.
why would kesha want to stay with sony records? no matter if she works with dr. luke or not, he will still make money off of her. he even admitted that he makes money off of the album “rainbow”. this who situation disgusts me because if a woman says that she was raped, everyone questions whether or not it is true, but if the woman says she was not raped, everyone takes it as a straight fact. what has our world come to?
*whole situation
Ikr
i believe kesha because rape is NEVER sexual. as many people might think it is it isnt. rape is a COMPLETE POWER TRIP. showing physical dominance. explicitly showing and telling the victim they have no control or power to stop what is happening to them.
dr luke can go. let him go, let him end.
Kesha is a strong and independent woman, and she doesn't just want her freedom, she wants justice too! There's nothing more to it.
Kesha went to work because she couldnt get out of her contract, musicians cant just say "I'm done" to their studio and leave, it's not that simple.
Matthew Marrero
She didn't have to sign another contract AFTER the abuse but she did
She was free but didn't take that opportunity
@@ItsNotRealLife raped, abused, manipulated etc. But 'free'.. yeah, sure
@K Dove maybe it wasn't? maybe she was forced to sign it? you don't know what they would've dove if she didn't sign the contract.
They talk about not dismissing the victim but that's literally all they did in this video.
Hellcat Thank you! Many women in abusive relationships stay out of fear and the very manipulation that they want free from. Sony is accomplice to it and is a part of the gaslighting techniques abusers use themselves.
Seeing Ana argue is like watching an almost textbook demonstration of someone trying to make an argument out of their emotions.
The only problem was--is--, while Kesha, is of course, pursuing more music, he is still benefiting off of her. His team even released statements saying that exact thing. That Kesha is still working under his approval. That her new record and everything coming from it were still approved by him.
Wow. This goes to show how mind controlling this evil Music Industry really is. Shocking.
L in heaven Lucifer was in charge of the music and choir, why would it be different outside of heaven?!🤨
Kelleymarie Jones ??? How did you know that he was
kylo kyoki I took bible study and when you read how important praising is to God and how the angels sing holy, holy holy to Him, you have to know music is key and Lucifer was top notch angel in charge of music and instruments until he rebelled. Since Adam sinned Satan took over lease of earth and has run a muck ever since. God will only let him go so far unless like these celebrities who don’t know God and open the door to Satan. I don’t understand Whitney or Michael Jackson, they grew up with some knowledge of God.
Kelleymarie Jones Thanks and your right it was very stupid of them to do that now there dead... Have a great day
@@kelleymariejones6388 not this again... I suppose you believe the earth is flat,too? durr brain!
one thing to note: as stated by the court, Kesha is free to create music on her own music without Dr.Luke's influence, but any music she wants to put out will be released through kemosabe records, of which Dr.Luke is the CEO. So while Kesha is "free" to make music, whether or not she actually gets to put anything out is still under Dr.Luke's control.
I understand why she didn't want to make music with Sony as Dr.Luke still profits from her music
Everything she makes with other producers, would still be legally owned by Dr.Luke. Hence why she hasn't taken the offer. If she were to, he would pick the singles released, the tracklist of the album, the promotion budget for the promotion of the music, everything...even if he had no involvement in making the music. Everything she does musically, belongs to him.
Physically and emotionally abusive are the characteristics of aggressive men who believe in their power over women in. Seeing one behave this way in person most people would think twice about assuming nothing bad could happen when they're alone. Trust me. He did it. He has issues with women and that's putting it nicely.
she lost in court LOL
She's already testified that she didn't get raped, so.
No she didn't.
fadedbia yes she did
www.tmz.com/2016/02/23/kesha-dr-luke-sexual-assault-rape-drugs-deposition-video/
***** lol
+SeeWaffle9 That was years ago. I'm not saying that it happened but it doesn't change much. People deny rape/abuse by someone close to them all the time.
Co So you rather take the conspiracy route?
another reason she did not want to continue working w sony is because everyone loved dr luke, so even if she kept making music w sony w a different producer, they wouldnt promote her music in the same way. which is exactly what happened now that shes working w sony again w her new album high road. zero promo and only one song sent to radio and it only was played for 2 weeks.
I hope she gets her freedom. #FreeKesha yes she said no she didn't get raped but it's because he threatened her, her family, and her animals. And she isn't free to do music without luke. She's signed to his record label so he'll still profit from HER. Next month is when she'll present evidence to the court
Wait Did Kesha Write praying About Dr Luke? Because Most Likely He Told Her She Was Nothing Without Him? Because She Also Said Cause You Brought The Flames And You Put Me Through Hell Which He Did When He Sexually Abused Her. Kesha Since The Judge Had Taken Dr Luke’s Side She Had To Learn How To Fight For Herself So I Think Most Likely That Song Was About Him. In Her Music Video On One Of The Televisions It Said Truth?
DragonFly 32206 yes
Duh
If He was innocent, they would just let her go to prevent more problems, but that’s blackmail! If what you speak is truth NEVER back down! Ps. Girls don’t sign with Sony, wait if you’re that talented and have faith in yourself, a better record deal will come along. Doesn’t Mariah Carey’s idiot ex work for Sony?!
Yes he was CEO of Sony.
I think she's bad ass but makes me sad at the same time. That sounds more like opening a can of worms than gaining attention... She really didn't have anything to gain by going up against someone that big. I'm glad Sony got rid of him. I know I'm late.
Idk why no one thinks about the fact that for a trauma victim, it is probably really hard to go back to the same place day after day. She finally gained her strength to stand up for herself. Why should she have to go back to that?
Nasty Miss Jackson Well Said👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Just because Sony and the court says that Kesha is free to work with whomever she chooses and that she doesn't have to work with Dr. Luke anymore doesn't mean anything. Luke is still her boss and anything she wants to release MUST go through him - he must okay everything she does if she wants to keep making music. That's what this is about. I wouldn't want my rapist to be my boss, or tell me what to do either!
Is this before or after Sony went to court over her contract and a judge ruled that she was still under contract?
NO sir I don't see what you are saying. Who cares if she was given the freedom to record without him. She was trying to get justice for herself, was not going to take back her truthful statements about her abuse. If you are looking at the FACTS of this case you would understand sir that your opinion on what she is doing doesn't matter, you are even in the slightest supporting Dr. Luke you don't get to share your thoughts on it. Take a walk in her shoes man. heels are hard to walk in, aren't they?
Very well said! :D
Sara Casper
They're high beels
Common sense says she was raped and wants justice fool.
jyee kevill
You have no evidence and yet you're not the fool
Hey quick reminder, while can can make music without him, he will continue to profit off her music. :/
Why the hell this video has 2020 dislikes?Does Dr. Luke have so many accounts or just people don't like what really happened?
Madonna Music I think it's more to do with the guy reporters attitude on the subject. The way he is talking seems like he's bias to Sony and Dr Luke. Very uncomfortable to watch. He basically sounds like he doesn't believe Kesha. Ugh. No wonder so many women and men don't come forward after being sexually assaulted.
Nicolas Lee Oh i understand
EVERYONE REMEMBER , Michael Jackson was with Sony from the very beginning . When he died , they fought to get all the money from his music . They won a huge amount of the money just recently .
Abuse is Abuse !! If it's verbal, sexual, physical!!!!!!
That guy that raped her needs to be beat up!
because no women has ever lied about about rape, ever.
top lmao
men have also lied jackass
+Phoenix Elm false male rape accusations? Give me one example
+Phoenix Elm Of course they have, everyone lies. Nobody is infallible, some women make false rape accusations which of course ruin the lives of those who they tarnish, the same is true for men i know of one case in Kentucky where a man claimed a gay neighbor of his son, purely because his son came out as gay.
Everyone lies, regardless of gender, religion or race, everyone lies.
+Robbie Johannson male student stile his teachers phone hacked took personal pictures off it blacked mailed her with it when she reported it he claims rape
I am so sorry and excited to see what KESHA does now she is my HERO in every sense of the word
She made up a false rape accusation to get out of the contract. Still heroic?
Tracy I agree 100%. She is my hero too and she helps me get through life with strength and appreciation. ☺️
@@TT-ug4rc Still, she made up a rape allegation and tried to ruin someone's life, are those things heroes do?
@Isardella so is kesha
@Isardella yeah iknow that dr luke won the court because kesha dropped her case. She is a liar and tried to sue him to get out of a contract she didn't like
I'm a fan of the show, but what you're suggesting is "ruin someone's career, reputation and potentially life on appeals to emotion and not fact." You say you support "innocent until proven guilty" in one breath and then contradict that statement in the next. Get it together TYT.
Cenk believes Kesha because "It's a helluva thing not to tell the truth about." But it happens: UVA Jackie, Duke LaCrosse, Columbia's "Mattress Girl", and the Brian Banks case are all cases where women made false rape charges.
Kesha did not make her charges until AFTER she was in the contract dispute. She previously testified under oath that Dr. Luke did not rape her. Why would she get out of another contract to get back under contract with her rapist? Why would she not make the accusation until AFTER she was in the contract dispute. Then Sony tries to accommodate her by allowing her to work with another producer, but she refuses because she would still be under the same contract. I'd say she has a million reasons to make a false rape charge.
+semperjase Watch no one who supports her address this .
+semperjase Greek tragedy "Hippolytus":
Title character dies after being disowned and exiled by his father, who believes his wife's claim that she was sexually assaulted by her stepson. She lied in order to save herself from shame for lusting after none other than said stepson, Hippolytus.
If even the Greeks, thousands of years ago, were writing about false rape accusations, I think it's pretty safe to say that it happens every once in a while.
Of course, you can't tell Regressives like Cenk jack shit.
+Also Known As you also got Joseph in the Bible
Hi- can you guys do an update on Kesha? I know it's "just pop culture" and not considered "real news" by some....but I JUST got onto her new music... and considering what all she's been through- it's more powerful and soul stirring than anything I've heard or felt in a long time. She is Elevating Pop music right now in this moment. "Prayer" is victorious, and "Woman" is the most fun and empowering Pop song I've heard in ages- with real instruments and brass behind it too. Her name is now Kesha not Ke$ha. To me it's interesting how she's a great example of how her talent was being wasted and exploited so much before- Bc everyone is SHOCKED at her talent now, but it was always there, she was just being dumbed down and objectified- which considering what poignant stuff she is capable of- shows what a travesty that is- and it's a bigger issue than just Kesha- it's the whole music industry- and the messages they promote to the youth of the whole world. It's really meaningful now what Kesha is doing and that she's not broken and she's back with such a vengeance.
Totally agree with your great comment, thank you from Italy!
the court case where Kesha broke down was even over rape it was about something else? At least to my understand (Please correct me if I'm wrong) I don't mean to be disrespectful either.
Stephanie Fahey it was about ending her contract with Sony and the judge denied it.
A Ps4 with The Last of Us Remastered
The Uncharted 4 bundle!
They offered her Hideo Kojima.
Justin Lafser They offered her a free man to rub it in her face. Sony is savage.
+J JO I mean, The Last of Us Remastered is The Last of Us Remastered...
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A reason why she dosent want to work with another producer is because she said that she would be worried that she wouldn't be as big as a singer because they would put her with the "lower class" producers
source?
Keshas Kitty With Praying,Woman and Learrn To Let Go out now,it is completely false
innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to rape allegations... That's the problem with rape allegations. No matter how innocent you are, it will still ruin you.
Just look at Michael Jackson. Some people claimed he was a child molester. The lawyer advised him to settle and be done with it back in the day, so he did. Worst advise he got, because now people assumed he was guilty. So when he got accused again, everyone assumed he was guilty, again. This time, he didn't want to settle. He was acquitted in court, as in innocent, but people still think he did it.
+SlackHax Saying he slept with children hurt him pretty bad too though, to be fair.
The Joker sure... but he further explained how people have a dirty mind, and that he was talking about sleeping. Every parent knows children wants to sleep in the same bed as their parent. Children wake up during the night and get into their parents bed. Kids with trust issues doesn't do that. If a child doesn't want to sleep in the same bed as an adult, there might be a problem.
+SlackHax Bruh, my daughter does that...
Cenk, she's under contract with him. she doesn't have to work WITH him but all proceeds of her work go TO him.
Unless you have been raped and we're told just do it by someone you will never understand
So here is the scenario I imagine. Kesha is cool and she is innocent and has some problems with some people. Luke is cool too and helped her because he wanted to help, she saw him as a way to solve her problems and then took advantage and used him to get out her situation but she didnt mean it personally.
There needs to be industries out there that have the backs of Artists. I support Kesha.
She's a liar
This is actually an amazing idea. I don’t know about USA but here in Italy for employees we have organizations that protect their rights for free and in any situation and that’s why the employers are scared to mistreated their employees, coz they know they will face consequences. Music industry needs same organizations but tailored for artists. Those organizations usually fight for new and better laws to be implemented too. It never crossed my mind before so thanks for the idea.
@@TT-ug4rc To protect criminals, kesha made up a false rape allegation and you think she is the one that needs to be supported?
I'd rather let guilty rapists walk around free than have innocent people in prison
What? that makes no sense.
+Emily McDonald It makes perfect sense.
Based Jesus Why would you want a guilty rapist to walk free?
+Emily McDonald I don't. but if I had to pick between sending an innocent man to jail and letting a guilty man go I'd let the guilty man go
#FreeKesha i think she really was raped and abused by him i feel sorry for this girl
Despite her testimony under oath claiming she was not sexually assaulted.
Starla thank you I meant have a company that can destroy u I would change my mind to
-Sony invests in Kesha when she is nothing (worthless), and makes her sign into a contract for several records.
-Kesha claims rape (innocent until proven guilty) and wants out of her contract.
-Kesha has produced several records after alleged rape.
-Kesha swears under oath in 2011 that Dr.Luke never sexually assaulted or drugged her.
-Sony offered to replace her producer, Kesha refused.
-Kesha still wants out of her contract.
...just a few things not really mentioned or put into context that change how you look at things.
You are obviously right, but it shouldn't even matter.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess the opinion of some tumblr feminists is more important...
***** I think you miss the point of the post. I am presenting the alternative point of view that the media is "forgetting" and missing some legitimate points. Please explain a few points: 1. Kesha obviously knew her contract was with sony, so why would she or we believe the threat by dr luke of ruining her career to be true (if it ever happened). 2. Since sony did offer Kesha a new producer why did kesha refuse? If Dr.Luke did rape her, a new producer must obviously been what she wanted, right? 3. Accounting for her fame and wealth in 2011 during the 2011 trial/deposition why should we believe that Kesha and her lawyers would not of used the opportunity to attest to the crime?
5:09.. Well, think about how impossible it is to prove that you DIDN'T rape anyone. That's even harder. So stop spreading those rape allegations without solid evidence. You are ruining a mans life here, and you have no idea whether he raped her or not.
"I hope his soul is changing"
Ah! Beautiful days are here. Being accused= guilty. Gone are the days of innocent until proven guilty.
+Michael Misoi She has more proof than most rape victims do.
Stephen Hewitson Which didn't stand in court
+Michael Misoi It's always been like this though lol
"if there is no evidence it isn't real" says a law system that makes you swear on the bible
I"m sorry, but this whole case is a joke. 1. There is no physical evidence. 2. It doesn't matter how many pop celebrities copy her by saying he raped them too, it doesn't make it more true. and 3. You signed you life away to be a corporate pop idol, they pay you millions, make your music for you, set up your tours, do all of your publicity, etc. You're damn right they are going to ask you to stop slandering someone who works at the company when there is no evidence. This isn't a admittance of guilt, it's them paying to make this problem go away because it's hurting their bottom line even if though it's probably going to turn out false in a court of law. Also, you're still under contract with them, so i'm not going to be teary eyed when a court rules that you still have to work for them.
You guys are incredible. Newsflash: Just because you are a bossy boss or abusive it does not mean you are a rapist. So PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE, try to be real news reporters and be IMPARTIAL.
+Alec Stahl you get views by inciting emotions, anything else is secondary to TYT
What's with all the dislikes? They actually covered both sides of the story here
+Information769 Trollish a**holes and pro rape meninist morons. Sadly we live in an age where cowardly idiots will still root for the villain just because they think it's funny. Pretty messed up.
Regardless of anyone's opinion on this particular issue, I still think TYT covered both arguments objectively; something I'm not used to seeing from them. I would think people would appreciate that, but whatever.
+chariotdrvr14 That's one hell of a strawman you built there
+Information769 They certainly attempted to be open about it without invalidating her claims or painting him as definitely an evil rapist.
*looking up* Leave it to the partisan commenters with chips on their shoulders and little more than personal gripes to go off to do that.
It's like TYT are actually shining a light on how difficult and nuanced the courts and legal system can be. Or how it can be difficult for a genuine rape victim to come forward when it's tough to prove and our systems operate (so that they can't be abused) on a 'innocent until proven guilty' basis that doesn't help them if they have little evidence. Or how it can be equally difficult to defend yourself from an accusation for similar reasons - people lying about being rapists because they know it's hard to prove and people lying about being raped because they know it's an equally hard accusation to refute. Taking an austere point of view on either position really only helps people get away with doing one thing or the other, which in turn creates more and more people likely to do it.
The fact is - whether we like it or not - each case is very different and should be treated differently, as an individual incidence when it comes to things like accusations, innocence, guilt and the court of public opinion. If there is a larger problem that problem needs to be addressed _outside_ the case at hand instead of applied so that we don't have to think too hard and can satisfy our 'Men = bad' or 'Women = bad' narratives. People are bad, not genders.
Unfortunately the world is full of people who think that if you're a man you're just a rapist waiting to happen and if you're a woman you'll cast false accusations at the drop of a hat when the truth is - thankfully - that I think the law doesn't take either position very strongly and is more interested in the rocky, difficult and unenviable position of observing due process.
For now, at least. Give it time and give the kinds of comments here enough attention and that will change, one way or the other and to the detriment of everyone.
I simply left a point that was brought up from another story and not just here.....she said in deposition Dr Luke did not drug or rape her....that was interesting, and the fact no proof of rape was brought up....I have no axe to grind and I also know what it's like to be in a record deal that you want to break due to any reason.....my point here is if she lied about the drug/abuse then she's not doing women any justice, and it's for her own gain instead of what's proper......I'm very curious about what is true here
I'm not trolling just to stir up nonsense here
Who came here after watching her new song "prayer"
Praying**
I like how people always pretend that she has a career to lose. She never had a career. Her producer(s) had. She only made some semi-pleasant squeaky noises that got autotuned into generic pop tunes.
+Mephistopheles I know....her 15 minutes ended a long time ago....
Agreed. Who the F is she?
There are enough fake rape accusations out there that I don't feel like backing anyone in a "he said she said" case. You are innocent until proven guilty, period.
The lengths some people are willing to go to keep a lie going should not be underestimated. You'd be disgusted if you read some of the cases that has happened before with false rape accusations. Disgusting people.
She could be telling the truth, maybe it's even PLAUSIBLE that she is telling the truth, but unless she can prove it I won't believe it. Innocent until proven guilty.
You know what disgusts me more than someone lying about rape? Someone who WAS raped and no one believes her. To me, it's more sick to doubt a girl who was raped than to lie about it.
Dancetips So you want to ruin the lives of anyone with a crazy ex girlfriend willing to lie? Send innocent men to prison for a mere accusation of rape, with no evidence to back it up?
Keisha fight we pray for you.
women cry rape all the time when it is usually false. There needs to be a law if you falsely accuse someone of a crime you go to prison for the same duration they would have received if found guilty.
togashi
Most rape claims are coming from young woman who got drunk and slept with someone they wouldn't have if sober. Men find themselves in this situation as well but they don't cry rape they just chalk it up as a bad night. If a woman gets drunk and drives a car and causes an accident we don't forgive her because she was drunk. If a drunk woman stabs someone she isn't let off the hook, but when a drunk woman has consensual sex suddenly she is the victim and didn't know what she was doing.
crazywaffleking *most* rape cases aren't actually reported because theres a negative stigma associated with it like the one you're describing, victims will think others will assume they were faking it and have to live with emotional trauma from the event with no justice. most rapes occur in cultures where rape is not usually punished, so if we want rape to go down we need to stop accidentally supporting the criminal behavior.
a drunk person driving is causing potential harm to other people, so is a stabbing. if you are drunk and a sober person takes advantage of you when you're in a delirious state then it is rape. drunk sex is considered rape when the person is physically unable to give consent, like passed out, having cognition issues, or unable to walk straight.....AND the other person would have to be sober-ish. this is why rape is so hard to convict people for, theres just no way to know what happens.
having a few beers, getting drunk (but not really really drunk), and having sex with someone you regret later isn't rape, i agree, some people will take it too far. i wish there were a higher percentage of people who would know better than to have sex with a drunk person but its really not possible for everyone. the world is full of sick people, but i think rapists are much more dangerous to our society to begin with and i don't want to silence real victims.
+crazywaffleking I disagree because if you can't prove it in court you could be charged. Just because you can't prove it doesn't make it true.
Get your statistics, where are you pulling this, "majority of rape accusations are false" bullshit from? Your ass? Your narrow perspective of rape? And furthermore, intoxication inhibits consent. Check the definition of consent.
this cenk uygur is driving me a lil nuts dr.luke is still gunna profit off of all keshas music with sony. His team even released statements that are saying the exact thing. That Kesha will still be working under his approval. That her new record and everything coming from it are still approved by him. as kesha that would make me sick. not only they are not going back all the way to the beginning when she satrted her career. The whole entertainment industry is the devil period. A person should never be controlled in such a manner. Dr. luke has been called abusive physically and emotionally to the women he produces maybe even more who knows. all the music and entertainment industry does is give out hush money money or end up with so called suicides!!! think about that
"very unlikely she's lying"
every single one of these "huge headline" stories has been made up.
The hordes of woman-hating rape apologists in the comments is appalling.
Yeah, because you have to be all that in order to realize the importance of evidence and that everyone is innocent till PROVEN guilty. All your side ever presents as a counter point is pathetic ad hominem attacks such as these.
Tevdore Talakhadze I would argue a strangely disproportionate onus telling of a deeper motive.
sgtsnakeeyes11 Well, argue for it then. You haven't done anything but make claims. Where are the supporting arguments or evidence?
Even if, perhaps, some people are disproportionately violently denying Keshas claims, it would be understandable. Retarded feminists for years now have been pushing for absolute stupid solutions to rape, by saying that every rape victim should be believed and the accused should be punished regardless of evidence, or that comedians can't make jokes about rape, or using pregnant women who were raped, for their argument for abortion. Which is a fallacy, because they want abortion to be, as it is, a banal popular act, while defending it with small individual cases, where they appeal to sentimentality instead of argument. (This isn't an anti-abortion rant, but using rape as an argument for popularized abortion, available to everyone is nonsense ) Or the amount of famous rape cases, that the feminists went apeshit about, only for it to have been debunked and shown to either be fake or untrue.
So looking at the track record of stupidity, concerning rape, I don't think it's to be of much amazement that many people are starting to be increasingly skeptical and it's your sides fault. Because you have been wrong many times, as it's expected, because you don't see the importance of evidence.
I can't believe how easy it is to ruin somebody's reputation based on accusations every rape accusations should be kept private until a judge makes a decision on whether the accused is guilty
+TKI GRP. what if the judge is corrupt?
+togashi than the victim can request a judge change, its in the law.
J'Chris pretty sure you can only do that if you have proof the judge is biased.
or...we can just go by the court system like we do now... where juries decide.... so we avoid corruption in the government......
Didn't Kesha say she wasn't sexually assaulted by him in a deposition in 2011. The question is did she lie in the deposition or is she lying now. Either way, she lied at one point.
+L.M I'm haven't been follow this news story, but just wondering why did that question even come up back in 2011? That is a really odd question to randomly come up. What was the 2011 deposition for?
+L.M So what.
+L.M ...and that is why it's okay to rape liars. Right?
+photondance nice of you to strawman my argument
+Albert1492 I think the supposed rape in question took place before 2011. Just type kesha deposition in UA-cam and she names Dr Luke as well. it's all on the internet
the noise he makes at like 4:28 is every condescending noise rolled into one
He's so stupid for not doing his research, Dr. Luke still gets paid for her releasing new music even if she doesn't work for him
+JKB she was contractually obligated to produce 7 albums, she made one. she is in breech of contract.
+kingofblades She made two albums
Innocent until proven guilty.
Give me the proof then I'll take a side.
+SolidSneakNinja Do you realize how hard it is to prove rape?
So if someone accuses you of rape, even though you did not do it or even know the person accusing you, you should be tried or jailed anyway ?
Are you gonna argue "blah, blah, the system should protect me" ?
Don't be blind. The system will rape your freedom so long as someone is convincing enough to look like a victim.
AdayDr1en What are you talking about. You're acting as if it's only bad when it happens to the alleged rapist, all I'm saying is that it's just as bad if not worse when it happens to the victim.
+Infamous No I'm not. I'm speaking of the "falsely accused"(who can end up as much or worse victims than rape victims) which you seem to disregard any thought for.
My point is that it shouldn't be so easy to convict a person of a crime just because it's "really hard" to prove doing. There is no proof of his wrong doing ? He should not be automatically guilty.
"Oh, well, I can't tell if he raped her. There are both very convincing. There is no evidence of anything been done. What do we do ?"
*cuffs the accused, tries him, possibly jails him*
You're okay being an unfortunate victim of a false accusation just because the alleged crime against you is hard to prove wrong doing of, apparently.
+Infamous u r the close minded one if u can't think from the other perspective. I came into this thread thinking that rape is worse, but now I can see how being falsely accused can be worse in some cases
She denied the allegations against him back in 2011...perjury or defamation, Kesha...PICK ONE.
Maybe Luke and Sony should file lawsuit against Kesha because of defamation.
She wouldn't want to support the people who were so against her
I love how anti-corporate everyone is until it's about rape. I love how people understand that the justice system is rigged until it's about rape. I love how people are willing to understand that people will say things they don't mean under societal/economic/legal pressure until it's about rape.
+Peter Coffin so it's ok to commit perjury? It's ok to want to crucify someone in the court of public opinion instead in a court of justice?
Listen and believe is flawed. Talk to Brian Banks, Gian Ghomeshi, Tupac, Duke lacrosse playes, uva, etc.
She's A strong woman ❤️.
+William Tyndale
wtf is wrong with you I have not said anything wrong SHE'S A VERRY STRONG WOMAN ❤
+William Tyndale
+ I know that Luke is an asshole 😑
Proving rape ain't that hard.... just go to the police and doctor immediately after it happens.
+cmbsoldja they have over a decade of rape kits that the still haven't processed so how would that help at all?
cmbsoldja
but how do you prove it then even if you know the person? Your asking for definitive proof like in a murder trial and it's not that easy and also by coming out with something like that the woman gets treated like shit for being the victim so don't you think that makes it a bit harder for us?
+cmbsoldja And then the guy says that it was consensual and that she wanted it rough. How do you prove that he's lying and she's telling the truth?
+Anna Parker The alternate could be said as well... How can you prove she's lying and he's telling the truth?
+cmbsoldja it's hard to prove weeks and months after it happened
Is there any evidence that proves Sony offered this?
Isn't it possible that what the court says is not necessarily in line with what the company she is contractually bound to says?
What I don't get is why Sony is so behind Luke? It is not difficult to find a producer, or ten producers, or even 20 or 30 producers to replace him. If I were in the position to call these kinds of shots I would have dropped him immediately and paired her up with a few producers as quickly as possible to try and get a match that we could then promote: preferably a cool friendly producer with a rep for being a nice guy. The whole thing feels ridiculous.
+Damian Dimock My guess he'd sue them for ruining his career without any reason. You can't just fire people over hearsay, which without a conviction, is what this is, right? That lawsuit could be very expensive for them...
+Gaute Løken Yeah lawsuit is the likely answer but I just don't see why they don't just remove him from having anything to with Kesha in particular and keep him as a producer on their label.
Love the journalism guys: we don't know but he's probably guilty because feelings.
Nice.
You just don't know what happened, just say it clearly.
+Fred D
Sony shouldn't have put that as a condition for her leaving her contract them. IT makes it more fucking suspicious point towards the validity that Kesha was raped.
So you're implying Sony, a huge corporation, is conspiring for some reason? I think they'd drop him like a hot pancake if they had any suspicion it was true. The key point here is that there is no evidence. Kesha herself testified that she never had sex with dr Luke. So why believe the current version over another? Was she lying then or is she lying now? I don't know, neither do you.
lordblazer
Anyway, Sony had millions invested into her and Dr Luke is a big cash generator for them (his job is essentially turning hot women into singers slash cash machines). As to the exact reason and internal discussions within Sony, I just don't know.
Also keep in mind that a NEW singer is probably going to have a contract heavily advantaging Sony. That in itself would be a reason for Kesha to want to cancel that agreement and go to another house to get a better contract.
+Fred D You've got a great theory, but the truth is that you don't know either. You can't be sure that Dr. Luke is innocent, anymore than others can be sure that he is guilty... Rape cases are hard to prove, because often there is no evidence, that's why it's so problematic and why often there's no way out of "he said, she said".
+lilmissrenaissance yeah of course. I never stated he s innocent. I said I don't know. But if there's no proof then... there's no case.
What is being forgotten here is that just because a company releases a statement saying 'you can still work with us', doesn't mean they are going to fund you adequately, promote you or support you enough for you to actually sell records. That may leave a person bitter, and maybe that's why she decided to say something.
It is actually immoral to assume someones guilt before due process... it is immensly more immoral to assume someones guilt after due process if they have been found innocent.
I love the hypotheticals. Yes, if you are accused of a crime and you dont get convicted that doesnt mean we know you didnt do it it just means we couldnt prove you did it. And you know what, just because noone has accused you of a crime doesnt mean you havent committed a crime. Anyone can be guilty of anything at any time,
This only proves that if you are accused of rape, you are guilty no matter what the verdict is. #feminism
Not following your logic of assuming rape and then bringing feminism into this. That's like talking about corruption and abuse of authority by McDonalds managers underpaying workers and such, and then going #bodypositive. Nobody said anything about the equity of men and women, but way to randomly blame whatever you don't like 😂
Florence Smith
1) The rape quesiton is a frequently talked about in feminism,.and its absolutely a feminist issue
2) The idea of "believing the victim" is a mantra of feminism
3) The idea that you are guilty just by beeing accused is promoted in feminist circles, just listen to anita sarkesians "listen and believe" speach. and there are lots more examples.
Im sorry but this question has been synonymous with feminism since the dawn of 3rd wave feminism and its not getting better.
And yes i was useing hyperbole...
It is even more immoral to assume someones guilty, after you swear unter oath that he is innocent at court years ago.
I just want to scream after watching this. Soooo biased. If a women says something it must be fact. I love kesha and all but this is crap.
+john steven What did you see, while you were there with them, watching?
If you would speak out, it could turn the tides, toward justice.
***** I hate when people bring this stupid analogy. First off they said she doesnt have to work with him. You are innocent until proven guilty. Just because she is a women and she says ohhhhh I got raped doesnt mean you have to automatically agree with her what about him. There was no evidence he did anything.
+RainbowColored Infinity HAHA YES!! Mothers are humans too! Shieeet mothers are all some untouchable figures that can do no wrong? I guess you had a nice childhood! hahahaha
+RainbowColored Infinity Women or men Just because you said something doesnt make it true. But Feminists (women) dont want to hear that.
+RainbowColored Infinity She already testified she wasnt raped
"Young" Turks... bless em. We all live in denial
Souks onlyjust omg i was waiting for this comment
lol it's a reference to a historical political movement
Well even Michael Jackson spoke up about Sonny and called them the devil, but nobody wanted to believe him cause he was made out to look crazy and a child molester.
So obviously Sony got some skeletons in their closets and most up and coming artists are afraid to speak up. If he biggest star in the industry tried it already and failed miserably then what's a lil barely known person going to to do?
Even Mariah Carey hated her husband and Sony for the abuse she suffered from them and that's why she left him.
MJ said she came crying to him and didn't see no way out and then as she got free for some reason she started having "mental and drug issues" and had to check herself in a clinic.
Coincidence? I don't think so!
+stephanie elliott
Michael Jackson was crazy and a child molester.
+Andrew Devine No he wasn't!!!
Sony did that to him cause he wanted out of his contract with them. He hated how they treated the artists and especially black artist and ever since he went from Epic to Sony he went downhill.
These ppl eff you up if you ain't doing what they want you to do and you can see it with more and more ppl speaking up now.
Don't let them fool you, they have the power to make everyone look a certain way and maybe even make you go to sleep forever?
They don't play!
+Andrew Devine No he wasn't!!!
Sony did that to him cause he wanted out of his contract with them. He hated how they treated the artists and especially black artist and ever since he went from Epic to Sony he went downhill.
These ppl eff you up if you ain't doing what they want you to do and you can see it with more and more ppl speaking up now.
Don't let them fool you, they have the power to make everyone look a certain way and maybe even make you go to sleep forever?
They don't play!
Just because you can't provide physical evidence doesn't mean that it didn't happen. He's been her handler and after she went to rehab she came back fighting.
Didn't she take back her statements multiple times before
I just have one question to ask.
What if Kesha lied about the rape accusation?
Kesha lost nothing in this whole thing whereas Dr Luke lost his reputation and his job based on an accusation from what I can see.
🙄. Shut up
Now what did she say in court under oath ? Some one should refresh my memory.
+Mike D I'm not picking sides but there have been many cases of victims changing their story to not being attacked due to fear. There have been quite a bit of studies on that.
+Karina Schumm He still doesn't deserve to lose his job and reputation based on an accusation. From what I can see, there's really no evidence to convict the guy.
That's the tough thing with rape cases is there isn't proof he did do it but there isn't proof he didn't.
Karina Schumm That's understandable but that doesn't mean he should lose his job and his reputation based on what is effectively an unproven accusation. I have no idea if he raped her but I certainly wouldn't attack him based on what Kesha says.
It sets a very bad precedent and causes doubt in the justice system. Once trust is lost in the justice system, we'll quickly fall into anarchy.
She never asked for him to lose his job though. All she wanted was to not work with him or Sony as far as I know she never asked for him to be fired but I could be wrong
just asking and please correct me if i have a flaw in my logic: if kesha in 2011 swore under oath that dr. luke did not sexually abuse her and she never had sex with him and now she says he did rape her, doesn't it make her commit perjury if her new statements were true? or a liar for the current cases if her statements under oath were true?
wasn't it the argumentation why she lost the recent cases because of her statments under oath? i mean her statements under oath and her allegations now can't be true at the same time, at least not legally or can they?
can there be punishments for lying under oath retroactivly, like if she wins a court case where dr. luke gets cinvicted as a rapist, but that's in conflict with her statements under oath, can she get the up to 5 years in prison punishment? i mean wouldn't it be prove for her statements under oath being not true?
+King Andy I'm not really familiar with this story. Under what circumstances did she swear that Dr. Luke didn't abuse her?
+joshuawhere in a 2011 deposition regarding the DAS scandall, Kesha said under oath that Dr. luke never did anything of that nature.
+joshuawhere it was reported by different media like dailymail, you can read the transcripts of her statements published here:
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2802370/kesha-swore-oath-2011-deposition-dr-luke-did-not-sexually-abuse-undercutting-rape-allegations-latest-lawsuit.html
King Andy Interesting. I'd say all that makes her story more believable, not less. Think about why she had to deny it in the first place: because she was talking about it while in rehab, to doctors and so on. For people who don't believe her, is that supposed to be some kind of calculated move in anticipation of maybe wanting to get out of her contract later? That doesn't sound very likely. She actually says in one of those letters to her fans that she and her family had been tortured; kinda works with the argument that she and her mother might have made those depositions under some kind of threat.
Lakobos Merkel Sounds to me like her legal team will be arguing that she made that deposition under duress, which would probably work as a defense against perjury.
It doesn't matter if it's more believable or anything.
Back in 2011 there was ZERO evidence.
Than she has sworen under oath that he's innocent.
It's just impossible to win any case against him now, if you don't pull a video out of your ass or something like that.
She already said under oath in court she never got raped by him and now she wants out her contract she is suddenly saying he raped her..... I think she is lying but she is in too deep and it has gone global to pull out.
If he raped her why would she go back and work for him??? They can say contract but there is so much bs he maybe an asshole but that does not mean hes a rapist.... Lets get her on a lie detector and all the other women who said he raped them.
+bugatti1075 lie detectors cant be used in courts because of their inaccuracy. Anyway. why was Kesha asked if she was raped in the first place? why was the video made? who told her to make it?
+Stephen Hewitson It was apart of court video records from 20011 i belive (date could be wrong) She says he never made sexual advances at her and also says he never roofied her. Her mum basically say it never happened either.
there is the video its about 1.30 min long and cuts to the important bits its not spam i promise.
/watch?v=uhIkyPRjCGk
+bugatti1075 if you look at other released court statements/timelines, you will see the facts that lead up to Dr. Luke forcing Kesha to expunge/drop prior assault and verbal charges before 2011. And he forced Kesha and her mom to lie on oath... or he would threaten her and her family
+Jake Matton where is the evidence he threatened them? How did you get this info?
eric333666 Do your research then you will see what everyone is clueless to
These people are so preachy.... This isn't news, this is a bunch of people getting together and stating their personal opinions, not facts.... It's just sad.
+August Celine III Ever watched American main stream news? It's all they know..
+August Celine III ah they give the facts, along with their opinions... it's refreshing especially when most of the time i'm in agreeance with them
If i was raped then no I wouldn't sign a note saying I wasn't rape. I also wouldn't state in a court of law that I wasn't raped by that person. You guys don't seem to mention that in 2011 she stated that in a court of law.
a lot of victims deny what happened to them.
Can you guys just keep posting the election night show. The Young Turds having their awesome meltdown is the only show worth watching. Greatest online episode ever.
This is so dumb of Sony music, someone gets raped and they say that she has to lie and help cover up rape so that she can leave? WTF?
+LGBT Lover It makes you not want to buy their albums.
This is an allegation. We dont know for certain if this is what they said or not.
I'm disliking it because well it felt more bias infavor of kesha. i dont expect tyt to be fully unbiased but... jeez. The amount of times tyt themselves have reported women and false rape accusations and people's lives being ruined?
Ya know alot of guys never dealt with a woman who just abused the R word.
Im thinking this guy had sex with her... when she was "raped" and she renewed her contract with him after...???? Which is like... Something she didnt have to do... and now she wants out of her contract because its not working out with DR Luke.. and now shes calling him a rapist...
See where this is going? The courts show Kesha isnt favored by the facts. Its all too easy for a woman to just say rape when relationships dont go the way they want and ruin a whole mans life. For this im actually thankful republicans put in laws across states needing burden of proof.. for awhile it wasnt needed for you to go to jail or be held or be charged.
He might be a jerk. Did they have a working and sexual relationship? yes. Did it work out? no. I feel just because shes sick of the guy hes now being labled a rapist and the courts showed kesha had every oppurtunity to get away or report or not renew with. She was already a star... none of us knew who dr luke was..Its not like omg she mad a new song... yeah but theres no DR LUKE... ? like wtf... plz... I think this is a mentally unstable drug abusing woman who wants to ruin a mans rep because their relationship didnt work well.
+Mikhail Tagallie The problem with what you write here is that it is complete speculation. You do not know, and your two cents on the matter really doesn't do anything but purport and continue a very backwards and narrow minded perspective regarding your understanding of what rape is.
Nickel Pickler sounds like you dont know what it is either to assume that. I mean ur just speculating yourself. Im just repeating some facts and with my own speculation which seems to be what the court favors.
But personally i do have experience in that field. Id say more actual women and society and sensationalized media don't know what rape is. If she went through an aggressive or under duress sexual encounter than i would understand. That is rape in many instances outside of a relationship. A woman's moodswings and hatered of someone for being an asshole isnt.
Sex is complicated. Yelling the R word shoudnt be so simple.
+Nickel Pickler
Let's talk about your very backwards and narrow minded perspective regarding your understanding of innocent until proven guilty.
We love you Ana, but it's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. We can't jump on every allegation made by every woman, famous or not. I feel sorry for every victim of rape or assault but you can't sit on that shit for months and then expect everyone to believe you..
+Arist Channels If Dr. Luke were black, they would have his back
Leedark3 Bill Cosby was innocent.
Leedark3 I cant tell if youre serious or not. the stupidity is too strong
Gabriel Smith He hasn't been proven guilty or innocent.
Not sure whether to believe Kesha , but we can definitely believe Kelly Clarkson because she's "squeaky clean" .... disgusting attitude.
layla sitton there is a video oN youtube about hiM he has a past of troubling his singers
Here is the problem with rape allegations and trying to pick a side. Sexual assault is VERY hard to prove. What most people think of sexual assault isn't the type of assault that happens everyday. Rape is sex without consent. Consent is only given if the party is able to give consent. Every weekend many women have sex while drunk, and they are not able to give consent. These are cases of rape. Many times women feel pressured into having sex when they don't want to, this also is a form of sexual assault. But many women just put up with it. When a woman is asleep, and the man has sex with her, that's also a form of rape. Many times this goes unreported as the questions come as to why are you in their bed, you must have had it coming? These are all VERY hard to prove in the court of law that they happened, BUT by definition they are all sexual assault. I have no problem believing Keisha's side on this, and like all of these people, they said it's more than likely to have happened and I believe it's more than likely to have happen. With that said, if this was to go to a court of law, I highly doubt Dr. Luke would get charged let alone convicted. Sexual assault is something that's very blurry and if there is no hard evidence (which there is rarely is) then you can't convict without a reasonable doubt. I truly feel sorry for those like Keisha, the many who are caught in these grey areas of the legal system that was designed in a time when it was illegal for a woman to testify against a man. We now have to fix our legal system to adjust to sexual assault.
Seriously? So if a grown woman decides to take (for example) some ecstasy, Coke or Molly and this makes her horny and she decides to have sex with someone... He is now a rapist and needs to be thrown in jail and labeled a sexual predator for the rest of his life? Should men walk around with a printed sex contract that every woman they have sex with must sigh swearing she is 100% of sound mind and body, has I consumed no alcohol or drugs legal or otherwise.... Oh wait, even if he had that contract it wouldn't be valid because of you sign a contract while under the influence, it's void. OK so maybe men should somehow be able to purchase their own breathalyzers or drug tests, just to be safe or your whole life can be destroyed by a rape claim, because it'll be your job to prove your not guilty. That's bullshit.
alex2143 I agree and disagree. Also, you have to remember other things were legal when the justice system was set up, we are slow to modernize it.
What I'm saying is that we need to have a system set up to deal with rape and sexual assault. There needs to be something, because many times, like this case, there are many around the situation that say this more than likely happened, but you can't really prove anything. Because of our, without a reasonable doubt standard, many men get away with sexual assault and when nothing happens to them, they repeat the actions. This is a problem. Men are always worried about false accusations, but the stats show that many more women are assaulted and it's not reported than men are falsely accused, in fact the numbers are not even close. So we have to find a way to make sure we deal with this issue.
alex2143 Tell me, what do we do about the fact 1 in 6 women in the United States have been sexual assaulted. That's about 2.6 million women in this country. Between the ages of 12-30 are at the greatest risk. So we're not even just talking young women, who you seem to think of as pray, but also young children. This 1 in 6 number is actually a conservative number, the NY Times reports 1 in 5 according to their own polling. But I'm using 1 in 6 which is the number used by RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network).
We need to update the legal system to deal with these situations. I don't know about you, but I've known many women over my lifetime, including close family, who've had to deal with sexual assault. In almost all cases, the guy walked free because of lack of evidence and they repeated their behavior. This needs to be fixed.
martyc909 Pray tell, how would you update the legal system then? You say that the guy walked free because of lack of evidence. How would you fix this problem? Guilty until proven innocent?
Please tell me, I have no idea. How would you fix this problem?
alex2143 You know, if it was just close family, I might say that what we dealt with was isolated. But the jarring problem comes with how many women are affected by this. And in order to improve this huge flaw in our justice system it's two fold. One being the actual court system and the other being prevention.
The first starts with teaching young people their rights. Not just women but men too. What is consent, what to do if something happens and you didn't give consent, all of these areas. Go beyond thinking that sexual predators are creepy men in dark alleys, but let them know that the vase majority of sex assault happens by someone you know. How to report, and who to tell. Also train police to better handle these situations. Many police are trained to right away question victims, but in many of these cases police reports that are filed turn out to not be relevant because at the time victims go through shock and don't remember much. After time they remember more which counters their report at the scene. So then this is used to discredit the victim. Instead train police to more appropriately handle these situations.
Now for the courts, a few things they can do. Have legal experts there for victims. Many times women are filing complaints on their own. There have been cases that prove something happened, but the woman didn't have a lawyer and the DA's drop the case no matter how much evidence there is. DA is a publicly elected official, these are cases they are normally not looking to take on because it's hard to win these cases. We need to fix that and find a way to get these victims support. Out of 100 incidents, only 7 are even filed and 3 are even heard. The system must find ways to support victims and help them legally through the process.
State Prosecutors have a saying, "'Not guilty' is not the same as 'innocent'".
+Thisold Hatte Or "'Defendant' is not the same as 'convict'".
Keeper Nod True, but prosecutors aren't wont to bring that up.
Alleged rape is Alleged.
That guy isn't even a real doctor.
+Taxtro What do you mean? I heard he graduated along-side Dr. Pepper, Dr, Scholls and Dr.Dre.
+Jaqen H'ghar You forgot Dr Fox.
+Taxtro DUHHHH ITS A NICKNAME!!
wow so she's not willing to "lie" now but was really happy to do so to the daily mail in 2006 when she said openly and clearly " I was NOT raped"
I believe her. Her career was doing just fine before this. It wouldn't have made sense for her to make this allegation and started it if it weren't true. She had so much to lose and so little to gain (and it proved to be the case thus far). It just wouldn't have made any sense. I believe her.
+rain74925 her career wasnt doing well her last big hit was in like 2012 or something
and it took years to bring it to court as we see it now. I don't see theres much of a conflict in the timeline. Like I said, I believe her. That's all
***** fair enough
why dont you play footage of the deposition?
who takes her seriously anyway??? isn't this the same girl who says she was raped by a ghost?????
The problem is that she continued to work with this guy for almost a decade after he supposedly raped her. At the height of her fame, she decided to bring those allegations forward...probably in hopes of getting out of her terrible contract. Unfortunately, I do believe she is of the character to make false rape accusations.
Ultimately, she provided no evidence, creating a he said/she said case in a crime that is notoriously difficult to prove if the victim doesn't report the crime as soon as it happens.
Now, would Sony offer her that deal? Yep. Its bad PR to have somebody running around associating your brand with rape. At the same time, it would ruin her career. Nobody would work with a person who who admitted to false rape accusations...which is why she chose to go to court. That way, she can still save face.
i actually met dr luke in LA and hewas so arrogant. ive never met Kesha but she seems like a nice girl
Case closed guys lock him up
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