What Makes An Anime Adaptation Good?
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Mob Psycho 100 has one of the best anime adapations ever. Bones really flexed their animation muscles to make so many varied and unique looking fights. Mob vs. Mogami in season 2 especially comes to mind.
Holy shit mob vs Mogami was probably one of the best looking fights in anime
But the web comic readers are not that satisfied, they have cut a lot of content in mob vs mogami fight
Truthfully and critically speaking, I have yet to see an adaptation like JoJos that has covered 752 chapters in 190 episodes without cutting out anything important from the manga over the course of 10 years all while also enhancing any mishaps from the source material. All of it was well organized and preplanned, starting with the 25th -26th anniversary of the franchise all the way to the recent 36th anniversary. A whole passion project like no other.
The only one that seems to be close is Bleach TYBW since the author is directly involved with every step despite any animation limitations that was only for part 1. Part 2 onwards is said to have much better animation and pacing even.
I never really understood why the consensus about the CSM anime is that it's slow. How is 3-4 chapters per episode slow ? Lol. The only reason it could possibly feel slow is if you already know the story.
And as for a good adaptation, it's like you said. Preserving the attitude of the original source is the only thing I really look for in an adaptation tbh.
Just because it adapts 3-4 chapters doesn’t mean it’s not slow. That’s not really an argument. Chapter vary in length and the amount of stuff that needs to be added for continuity.
@@thomasffrench3639 That's my point. 90% of the chapters that were actually covered in S1 were mostly dialogue-heavy ones and they managed to fit so much into every episode ( barring 1 chapter and certain side details from another ).
It's like people forgot how dialogue heavy the chapters that the anime covered actually are
It has a lot of dialogue for CSM, but compared to let's say AOT first chapters, it's still quite low. I've analyzed the word per page you're gonna have to trust me, or do it yourself.
@@BoobaMilkTea I'm not looking only at the word count. I'm also talking about the panels with no words as well.
Those especially need only a millisecond in the manga to explain they're point, but they'd need a few seconds to minutes in the anime to actually get the point across
It's slow and some pages was cut in the beginning. In the start chainsaw Man don't have much so was better if was 4 chapters. And then season 2 they slowdown for 3 for episode
What do you think of the adaptation of 1 hour special AOT episode? Personally except for some very minor inconsistency in animation (considering the time they had to animate the monstrosity so giving them the benefit of doubt is easily acceptable) from a filmmaking point of view it is as cinematic as it can get, where the adaptation was not just faithful but elevated in certain parts.
I have made an animation breakdown for that episode (and pony canyon was nice enough to leave the video up after copyrighting it) so you can watch that, but to sum it up, it's very, very good, in all aspects
The 1 hour special is a materpiece to me especially the rumbling, i think that the source material was elevated in all aspects
The reason as to why Tokyo Ghoul didn’t follow the source material for season two was because of Sui Ishida (creator of the series) who wanted the anime to follow his original ideas for the story (this has been stated on multiple interviews both by Ishida and Morita, the director of the first two seasons)
Now the reason as to why the season ended up being disappointing is due to a little thing called “production committee” cutting so many stuff from the season and turning down multiple ideas by Ishida and Morita (again, those things have been stated on several interviews by those two), all for the sake of fitting everything in 12 episodes
Makes me wonder what would have happened if either the producers allowed for more episodes/seasons or if Ishida never asked for an anime original continuation
I swear I've heard the exact opposite somewhere, hmm, well, then instead of the higher ups looking at the manga and going "nope" it was Ishida, either way it was a horrendous follow up from s1 and an awful setup for re, that part doesn't change
Bro this channel is about Animation. He knows What production committee is lol
@@ProbablyPretentious yeah I’m not sure any of what he said was true other than the authors ideas getting thrown out
@@ProbablyPretentious yeah but I feel like people will either target pierrot (who were at the very bottom of the committee) or Morita
In fact, back when mal still had comments under the profile of staff, it was rather common to see fucking death threats in Moritas profile (I guess the toxicity in general made mal remove comments from staff members but it’s still sad how weebs go as far as to tell directors to fucking kill themselves)
I still think Morita did an excellent job in the first season and some of the decisions the team made fixed certain problems I had with the source material. It ain’t perfect I guess but it was clear that some people wanted to make a good anime adaptation but everything was fucked up because the producers cared more about money and promoting the source material than being respectful to it (and in that regard, they were successful)
@@r.k845 the main source of information is Moritas interview on r/Anime
Now that was back in 2018 if I recall correctly. It might have also been posted on mal or something? But of course the evidence for what I said exist.
I think change in presentation is a good way to describe adaptations. Presentation is important aspect of storytelling that people kinda ignore. They only talk about the writing or the events of the story without explaining how the director or writer presents the story which is how a reader will experience the story.
I also think that just because an anime is good, doesn’t mean it’s a good adaptation. I mean the biggest example of this is The Shinning. It’s a terrible adaptation of the novel, but by god is it one of the best horror films ever made. It’s not an anime but it’s a good example of that. But that’s a rare example from a master filmmaker, and most of the time a bad adaptation mixes story elements that don’t fit together as the original artist had crafted each element to complement each other and taking away those elements can have drastic consequences
It's just another issue of modern day communication where everyone and anyone can call anything a bad adaptation because of their own personal issues with the show.
This is the most informative video about anime I've seen in such a short duration. I'm excited for your Animation project. Good Luck
Ufotable's Nasuverse work is the perfect example of adaptation, they had the ultimate freedom with UBW and Kara No Kyoukai and knew how to put words into anime form.
this was a great video i very much enjoyed it also will u cover more of the tybw? i very much enjoyed that video
Very good video as always ! ^^
People saying chainsaw man is a bad adaptation are just some pathetic viewers
You can not claim that mappa ruined fujimoto's work when he himself saw everything in making and said it was perfect down to every last thing ಠ◡ಠ
Its like claiming you know better about the story then the author himself ಠ∀ಠ
A bunch of dummies they are
Do you plan on doing breakdowns of Demon Slayer episodes kinda like how you did with Chainsaw Man?
He can't. He did one for episode 1 but it was Copyrighted by ANIPLEX Quickly
Boy have I been waiting for this video!
An anime adaptation should either do something different, whilst respecting the source material
Or use the source material as a guideline, whilst taking creative liberties to prevent it from feeling like a copy/paste of the manga.
That’s just my opinion though
Great video as usual ❤️. Btw will you make a video about TWIN ENGINE and compare it to other production committees and talk about how they gave freedom to their Small subsidairy studios mainly by making studio EOTA (there is an interview in animenewswork about it). Their main ones like colorido or geno made some pretty good and Creative projects. I think even BUG FILMS studio is a subsidairy of them now. I would be glad if you make a video about it And explain it in full detail and kinda compare it with The direction that the industry is going for now
Jojo has one of the best anime adaptations. The art style changes to match the tone of each part (mostly part 4). The pacing is better than the manga too. In part 4 there were 4 lini arcs that were so horribly paced. The reveal of the part 4 villain was so good in the anime since they teased him in the first minute of the first ep. They also forshadow what is going to use to hide from the protagonist by making him show up randomly before his reveal while the manga first revealed him then showed what he would use next.
David production's great management. They Really did a great job adapting this long ass manga lol. Idk if we could even reach here if it was in the hands of other studios
I really hope you cover something out of action animes, like rezero perhaps
i would love if you would do an animation comparison between the 2 seasons of made in abyss. something felt off about the 2nd season but I don't understand animation
The monogatari and mushoku tensei adaptations are insane.
I’d recommend you do some videos on one piece. Maybe comparing the old animation to the new Wano animation. Maybe talking about the evolution of the animation.
So when are you gonna do a breakdown on Monogatari 😁. Just curious if it's your list if things to do.
I don’t think that I trust a person who doesn’t like Chainsaw Man to say it’s a good adaptation. I mean I guess it’s possible for an adaptation unfaithful in tone can still be a good Adaptation like Starship Troopers.
Good thumbnail. I clicked on it assuming it was a Gigguk video. Meant as a compliment.
Thanks man, I used to make Instagram content back in the day so I'm good with this stuff lol
Question : Should manga and anime adaptations complement each other (like manga provides you with something the anime does not)?
Or should the adaptation be absolute?
imo both are great if done well. For the first one CSM is the best example. The manga and the anime offers a completely different feel while telling the same story. It's obviously bcuz of Fujimoto's use of panelling and composition that makes the manga stand out and I think the anime offers you something different which is great. For the second one, Mob Psycho perfectly fits as an adaptation that elevates the source in every way. Both are great👍
Yes it should, provided the adaptation doesn't change the manga imo
Thoughts on Swordsmith village so far since your not making any videos because of aniplex being evil
I honestly wish everyone in biased manga reader fandoms were like you and looked at the adaptations in different perspectives and sees the well done parts instead of being... well, biased
if I feel like I'm getting a cliffhanger each episode, then that's good lol. Means you're getting hooked
In defence of classroom of the elite, I think the "psychopath" view of Ayanokyoji in the anime works and anime onlies would love seeing him develop a heart later on
There was actually a segway there, you could be like, i hope i changed your perspective on what good adaptation actually is. For example, One punch man season 2, was actually good. Wana know why? You get the idea XD
Pls make a video on monogatari series
Can you do fairy tail 😂
As long as an adaptation covers 90% of everything right and makes up for its mistakes, it's considered good. Especially if the author of the source material has direct control & approval over it. The first example that comes to mind is Bungo Stray Dogs, one of the most well done animes. Some manga readers can be very annoying and biased because of a few scenes that were not covered in the adaptation, and they go out of their way to call the whole adaptation trash and say their biased opinion EVERYWHERE without even considering it and doing research on other adaptations to know that every good anime has changes.
What they ignore is that the anime adaptation of Bungo Stray Dogs is lucky enough to have a team that loves the project AND the author's direct control over the anime's production. It is mentioned is various interviews that he approves every little thing done in the anime, and the adaptation proved itself to be good enough and do the source material justice and sometimes even surpass even when there are minor mistakes. I honestly couldn't have asked for a better adaptation for Bungo Stray Dogs
the only one flaw Chainsawman mang gad it was being too rushed. Fujimoto proves it by part 2. he isnt rushed here and can do whatewer he wants. In one chapter 1person dies and in next they forgot about it like it was nothing
Fun fact: according to MAL the best anime adaptation is UFO Grendizer with the highest margin between the adaptation and the original work.
The CSM adaptation seems to embody Fujimoto's love for cinema in ways that the medium of manga cannot. Similar to how Peter Jackson's direction behind LotR was to make the movies for Tolkien, I think the anime was made for Fujimoto moreso than anime fans as a whole. This might be a good thing ir a bad thing depending on what the original writer might have had in mind, but usually keeping the original vision in mind and translating it between media helps maintain quality of an adaptation.
That's just my opinion though. I would want my opinions to matter in the adaptation. I can understand and respect a director with more knowledge in the field having the final say, but I would still want to have a chance to have my vision considered in that decision-making process. I can't speak for everyone, so maybe some people would be more or less forgiving of changes if they got the change.
Not first for sure 💀
The ironic for this YT thumbnail because three of them are not really good, Tokyo Ghoul and The Promised Neverland only so good in S1(I really enjoy the first season), CSM is not so good too. You have to divide good adaptation in animation and story, Demon Slayer is a good one with improved the whole animation but not for the storyline, they literally just follow all the manga (if the manga good enough then nevermind), AOT for example they change some chapter to be earlier to make audience have a better experience (this is a nice move). Mop Psycho really make a good adaptation, for CSM the director should listen more opinions from the fans instead of just being too creative, JJK is solid good adaptation, Hell's Paradise I don't know haven't watch ut yet. I really don't like the color choose for Record of Ragnarok and PPT fight
Imagine being too Creative is a bad thing
I still think that just because its a good adaptation a show might not be liked by a lot of people because of how chaotic source material is itself
I feel like saying adaptations *have* to be "faithful" to the original, to convey the same story + anything extra the team can think about to "elevate" it is fundamentally misguided. Adaptations shouldn't only be about adapting the content of a work from a medium to another, but also from one author/team's mindset to another's. A good anime adaptation is an adaptation that is also a good anime and that's it. Sure, following the source material closely helps in that regard if the source material is already good, but it shouldn't be a necessary condition. What if Chainsaw man's adaptation had the same first episode but then decided to branch off into a completely different storyline, add new characters and themes and go for its own original ending to suit the team's vision? If that hypothetical anime adaptation ended up standing on its own as a good or even great anime, then wouldn't it be a good adaptation? Sure, it wouldn't be faithful to the original's plot but i can't see why that would make it a bad adaptation.
An adaptation of a work to another medium and its source material are two different things, however close they try to look. Even if an anime adaptation of a manga simply traces every panel (something something gokushufudou), the specifics of each medium are enough to make reading and watching two different experiences. This implies that a strictly faithful adaptation cannot ever be a complete substitute for the experience of its source material, and so there's very little point to faithfulness except for producers who want a safe product, as in something that is guaranteed to make money for the same reasons as the source material did.
I would make this essay of a youtube comment even longer as there is a lot more to think about on this topic but i don't feel like spending too much time on a youtube comment 3 people will read. I'll end by saying that for a word that's thrown around very often, the implications of "faithfulness" don't seem to be thought about that deeply even though twisting that idea could make for fascinating adaptations.
A lot of Japanese fans have Chainsaw Man’s anime a lot of s**t for being a bad adaptation. But I think the Chainsaw Man anime is a better adaptation than Tokyo Ghoul.
Can you make animation breakdown on demon slayer episode 6 of the sowrdsmith village arc?
It was more than great in every aspect
So I wonder what complains will people have about it
Great Storyboarding،Composting,Movement,Lightnes، No CGI
Some good character acting
Shirai episode i think (episode director) . So it makes sense
I think it would still stand out even if it was less "grounded" all the time
do you think a bad ending can completely ruin a series?
Depends, if the series is all about it's ending (the kind that keeps building up to the eventual conclusion) then yea, that's possible, for shows which are consistently good (or just episodic in nature) nope
@@ProbablyPretentious I feel conflicted about follow ups of Psycho Pass past season 1 cause I thought the ending was perfect and I'm yet to see the sequels cause I'm afraid I don't want to see it ruined
Take my word for it, don't watch the sequels, s1 was phenomenal and S2 shits the bed in a grandiose manner, s3 ain't bad, but it doesn't touch on any of the conflicts/conclusions from s1, I believe Urobochi was not really involved all that much with the sequels
@@ProbablyPretentious I still have some questions or should I say want to ask your opinions about some things like
do you think there's a golden ratio for manga chapters to anime adaptation?
or do you think the 12 episodes per season format is hurting the pacing of adaptations?
UA-cam is so annoying, it doesn't recommend your vids to me, so I have to look them up.
Common youtube L, follow me on on my Twitter or Instagram if you can, I always update those whenever I upload
@@ProbablyPretentious ❤gotchu
The demon slayer subs tho 💀
Can you guess the colour? I think it's green...
@@ProbablyPretentiouslol
@@ProbablyPretentious no it's a shade of bright neon blue ಠಗಠ
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2:27 huh??? naw L take first off if you cut the monolouges form blue lock you legit skip half of the manga. lmao and the dialogue is good. what are you talking about?
I think it's subjective. I think it's kinda cringe
@@user-og6pb6dd5p yea true i find it unbelievably cringe, specifically barou and rins dialogues. in the anime it just feels so corny that a human being voiced that. in the manga i feel fine reading it.
5:37
Watching this video after Hell Paradise Episode 5.
Mannn how can someone make a storyboard so pathetic.
Wdym exactly?
@@user-og6pb6dd5p At 5:37 timestamp Narrator mentions about a thinng, that is, " Don't Tell it, show it".
I watched this video after Hell Paradise Episode 5 and that episode did exactly opposite of this.
@@serioussoka you can't blame the staff when they have a pretty tight schedule.
I think they exactly did that with AoT, what you were saying. The terror and vastness of chaos, and then... Hange's final-moment hype song. That really ruined the whole thing for me. It just made it super cringy. Same thing with the last sequence where they engage Eren with the plane. Also a hype song. It just doesn't fit there. This is not a heroic moment. It's a purgatory one, a moment with 80% of the planet gone.
The hange song is anything but hype tho, even if you don't understand the lyrics, it's still a bittersweet but slightly cool song based on sound alone, and that fits in perfectly, AOT always used a lot of vocal heavy songs, regardless of seasons, you should be used to it by now, as for the final scene, yes that is a certified hype song, and again, anime only people don't know how this ends, they still have hope, maybe, just maybe we'll work this out, just maybe, you know, also the final moments of an episode gets a pass imo
I think in that case the hype song was very fitting. Hange was a symbol of hope and fighting to the last breath in that scene, it was her last stand giving her friends more time to escape. She died a hero death so she deserved a hero theme.
@@ProbablyPretentious Idk, that's just how it felt for me the first time I watched it. Maybe I need to rewatch it. Nevertheless, I distinctly remember the disappointment.
@@slei4676 I agree that there should be a hero theme, obviously. But we probably disagree on what a hero theme should look like here.