Watcher AN UPDATE with a RETRACTION and COMPROMISE - Is it good for everyone?
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I didnt see a _single_ positive comment on their last video. My favorite was "I just paid $300 for groceries. Get bent." They really _really_ had to fix this
It really did say it all. The cost of groceries has literally quadrupled in my area (my family member keeps a detailed spreadsheet on EVERY item they buy).
Uhh that's cause the positive weren't up the top. I wrote that I'll support them and understand not wanting your entire business to rely on a third party platform..
@dobanator4501 I scrolled for like, ten minutes, and I was _well_ into the comments without any likes. But Im sure all the positive comments were juuuust under that.
@@bloodyneptune I'm not saying there were many, but I wrote a positive so
@@dobanator4501 Then clearly we all over-reacted and were completely wrong. Nothing amiss here everyone, pack it up!
They all look like they've been called to the headmaster's office. They look so nervous. But at least they listened.
I get so tired of hearing “we messed up” when what they really meant to say was “we got greedy and didn’t think the backlash would be this severe.”
Also I’m not sure on what planet they thought a paywall is somehow “an amazing announcement.”
It's the arrogance of it all. A pateron yes but a whole streaming platform for a combo of half decent content and half sub par content. That's la la land come on lads
It's what i heard. you got to listen carefully to online 'appologies'. I kept hearing 'we're sorry how we presented this'. Not once did I hear a clear 'I am so sorry, what we did was wrong. please forgive us.' they didn't really apologise here, either. they just presented it differently.
@@UKfeath Yes this wasn't an apology video it was a we presented it in a bad way video and now we are making this decision before our business collapses. There's no reality where they wouldn't have known there was going to be backlash, they were obviously just hoping for less.
Relax guys there are more serious things going on in the real this is not that greedy it was just an incompetent move. But not like the word "Forgiveness" doesn't in the world.
@@alshahriar6230 nod nod. 'calm down' works really well, doesn't it? honestly, I'm not muppet flailing and spittle yelling at my computer screen. i will however express my views when something nasty happens, wither it's a money grab from people i respected to amazon deforestation.
I don’t really view this as an apology, it’s apparent this was the bare minimum action they needed to take to hopefully not end up ruining their business. I’m glad they did it but it doesn’t absolve them of the choices, words they used, or actions they made in the lead up to and during the announcement video. I’m willing to give them a second chance, but an “apology” with no meaningful long term actions is meaningless, and people are going to be rightfully wary of their motivations now. This is just the first step in the right direction after the damage they caused themselves.
This apology works for me. They read the feedback, admitted they messed up and made changes. They are humans, I forgive them.
this
Yeah. xx
ya until they do it again
I believe Ryan and Shane. Steven doesn't give a crap. He was only part of the apology for optics. It would look bad if he wasn't. That CEO money has gone to his head for sure.
They're coming to London tomorrow for a live show so they really had to make this video
Their two live shows were the least of their worries.
I was wondering about their tour. 🤔 Is there going to be empty chairs? Are they going to not do Q & A to avoid the questions. These where some of my thoughts since the first video they uploaded.
We don't mince our words in blighty so they'd be f***ed
@@SkellyK1 We really don't haha
That will be an interesting show.
It was impressive that they came to their senses as quick as they did. I was hoping they wouldn't double-down. I'm glad they didn't
The defeated look on their faces omg. If they could only image that we’d be in literal heaven if we made what isn’t enough for them to continue eating 20k steaks and 500 dollar hamburgers with
I loved Buzzfeed Unsolved. When they switched to Watcher, something about it didn't gel with me, and I only watched a couple of episodes before stopping altogether. For me, I think they were better without the big production values.
Just my opinion, but they should get someone to come in from outside and take a look at their business practices with an unbiased eye. It comes across like they are so focused on one particular thing, that they just missed everything else going on around them.
I hadn't heard of these boys 2 days ago.
I hadn't heard of Mr Grey 2 days ago.
I'm not interested in seeing those boys again.
I'm a HUGE fan of Mr Grey now.
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Just six dollars looks very different for those in the developing world. That’s easy a weeks salary or a month. Completely insensitive. Glad they addressed that specifically.
It's not even that for me. Its to think all of your content is good enough to warrant its own Netflix. It's so arrogant and out of touch. Half of its content doesn't do nearly as well as others. It's delusional. I'm not going to pay 6 quid a month to Half watch an ex UA-cam channel because I only like some of the content as do most other people. Noone is here for gold leaf steaks. We want drunk ghost stories and history puppets.
Everyone is bringing it up but Rhett and Link GMM is the model you aim for
Bad business perspective and entitled attitudes are prevalent in most businesses today. Most care nothing about humanity, it's all about the money. And they believe they are owed.
Shane, in the middle, looks like he's been crying or hasn't slept for days
I commented about this on a different channel about how long it would take for them to come crawling back to UA-cam for whatever reason - either due to fan pressure or because their business model failed. Looks like it was sooner than I thought. Whoever came up with this goofy idea needs to go back to business school because they've learned nothing. What a disaster.
They also look completely smashed, which makes me feel better.
Waiting for a month is still better than the previous one
Absolutely. Most UA-camrs having patreon does it like this. Well maybe not a month of waiting for youtube release but still,not that much difference.
Here is the thing - if they cannot make ends meet with a channel that gets millions upon millions of views plus ad placement plus special videos for games and such plus 6k playing patreon members then they are managing that business badly. This is what happened to buzzfeed. Instead of buying a cheap tripod for a second camera angle they hired 3 more people to hold the camera and the lighting and cur cards and such. It was a mindset of "Just throw money at the problem, do bother being at all creative in solving these things."
Watcher could be a channel with 10 employees. They don't need close to 30 to do that. And it's not like they don't know the tricks. They have been doing this for awhile now - they know how to do things in a cheaper way.
I refer back to other channels - Scott the Woz. He makes a video with just as high production value that is feature length and then disappears for months while making the next. I am 100% sure he makes ends meet by reducing his output to match the money he has and the quality he wants it to be at. Yet Watcher had the idea they need 12 episodes released weekly to be a TV show - a model that stopped being relevant years ago.
Exactly, the technical equipment that is affordable these days will produce high quality content if you are willing to use it and come up with creative ideas.
@@sarahmayer7026 That's what strikes me - at the low end Watcher is making $100k/month. Probably double that but we will go with that.
Their most expensive show is Ghost files (Travel and such). I can't see how an episode of that ought to cost more than $50k per episode. They make 6 per season. So that eats up 3 months of revenue for the company. And leaves at least $900k left over.
So if this is about money... either they are very very poorly managed or someone is soaking up money on the side.
Or the reference to money is a lie.
Yeah if they want to hire more people and not lay off current employees then maybe the CEO needs to take a little pay cut so he can hire his old worth friends ... This move was to fund his show... The UA-cam channel was surviving just fine with Ryan and Shane's content.
Now I know how they feel about their subscribers I'm done with them
exactly! all these people accepting this shit ass apology. like dudes they already showed what they think of you. there is other content on yt to watch yall
This! Imagine if there was no apology video. This is what they think of their fans.
I’ve never seen such a quick backtrack 😅 honestly, I appreciate that they at least took the feedback they received to humble themselves and know that they messed up. Not many people do that.
They desperately need to bring in some outside consultants/business managers, it’s apparent they cannot make the tough business decisions necessary nor do they seem to have the skills or knowledge to know what needs to be done. This was just such a crazy decision to drop out of nowhere and it’s apparent that they don’t want to hurt their friends, now colleagues, by laying them off and that this reaction from fans blindsided them when really this should have been a known potential outcome. It’s literally crazy they got that far.
They better hope their new stuff holds up to the hype or people will not be happy if the past few days shows us anything, smh this was the biggest thing to happen on UA-cam in awhile!
It's not going to because they didn't research their viewership when they made this decision and aren't going to now. Fact is noone is here for Stephen Lim. Most are here off the back off buzzfeed unsolved and their numbers show that. Stephen isn't going to take a back seat.
Ive been watching Ryan and Shane since unsolved. Theyve always seemed so genuine and relatable. I truly feel its a case of 3 good people got in over their heads running a business and made a very poor decision. I think ppl jump far too fast to the worst opinion without all facts. The world is too ugly not to give ppl the benefit of the doubt. They still have my support, especially since theyre one of the few ghost hunting channels i trust.
You know they were watching their subs and patreons drop like flies, biting their nails while staring at the screen, alarms blaring in the background.
yup, and i cant believe people are accepting this apology. they already showed what they think of the their fans. sad that people will stick by them. just like gamers who will buy a shit broken game and say, 'well they apologized and i want to play meh games!"
@@TheHikeChoseMeyes and I’m sorry some are gullible enough to believe the apology. It’s just damage control seeing that their pockets are going to take a massive hit.
This sounded more like a PR piece and not a good faith effort. IMHO their plan to ditch YT subscribers will simply be re-worked and then moved forward. They haven't abandoned their move, just delayed it.
You have to work within your means. Its good to have ideas but you can't overstep. It doesn't matter if youre on TV/Netflix or whatever you have to stay in budget. By the sounds of things they spend more on their productions than a lot of TV companies. If they want to make it work they have to start cutting the fat and excess. I mean their streaming membership was close to Amazon Prime cost and look at all you get from that. They'd be providing a fraction of the programs and no additional benefits for near the same price? Whats the current benefits of their Patron? I think they've lost all perspective of money. Being brutally honest their old Buzzfeed stuff was better than the newer ghost hunts as it felt more genuine.
no because I lowkey probably won't watch them as often now because of that initial video, like they just cannot earn my full trust back if they view their fans that cannot pay as not worth creating content for.
Yeah, I get that. We all understand UA-camrs trying to figure out better ways of monetizing their content, I think we all get it and are cool with that. However, it was a complete paywall they were planning on doing. It does feel like they showed a side of themselves that think that people who can’t or won’t pay are beneath them. I don’t want to feel that sort of resentment seeping through their future work now that their hand was forced because of the reality of the market. I pay for youtube because I watch a ton on content on here, they were only one creator of a hundred that I follow. I wasn’t about to pay half as much again for the 3 or 4 series they do that I enjoy. They aren’t that amazing. The announcement was arrogant and untactful; it was rude to their patreons, their international viewers whose dollar doesn’t not convert well to USD, and their impoverished viewers. I had unsubscribed, I might resub one day, for now I will watch from the sidelines.
This shouldn't be as scripted as it is. Also, that should have been the plan from the start.
I agree with the second part but the idea that these sorts of apologies shouldn't be scripted is ridiculous. If it wasn't scripted out people would complain about rambling or pausing for thoughts or poor word choice. Just because something is written down ahead of time doesn't mean it isn't sincere.
@Aurelius-bf3yx it's not that they didn't have things written down. It's just something about the whole thing. All of this could have been avoided if they had given what they already had more exclusively. Many channels release content a day, week, or month early already. They could have added a similar system to merch even. All of this could have been avoided. If they are so tight on money they should downsize and focus on the shows that have less production value.
@@BeiyongError Like I said I don't disagree with that, but you said "This shouldn't be as scripted as it is" which I disagree with.
It is scripted, but I think the sentiment genuine. They didn't think things through at first. And hey! At least they didn't bring out a ukulele.
I commented and clicked send when an ad popped up. I think the ad ate my comment. It's gone.
Regardless of the apology, they achieved their goal of being more like TV in one aspect - and that is the fact that I don't watch TV anymore...
I think they handled it very well after. A lot take the amount negative feedback and either ignore it, get angry, or change nothing. They acknowledged what they did, how poorly they did it and changed. I mean it's not excusing what they did but their reaction after made a massive difference. I don't mind waiting a month. It's better than not being able to watch them. I was ready to unsubscribe depending on their reaction to the whole backlash. The after effects are gonna last for a while tho... I also don't blame ppl not being able to go back to them.
For me they have revealed how they equate 'quality' with unnecessary expenses and extravagances. I also can't help seeing how slyly they are now making fans feel guilty for getting upset when 'their boys' so InnoCently *wanted to be able to create more.. for THEM and had noooo idea boo hoo* while absolutely not addressing the fact that supporting wasteful luxury lifestyles is NOT *sustainability*. They rode a LOT on an eat the rich Indy artist image but, lo and behold, that spirit is tossed under the bus because their 'life dreams' MUST involve international luxury travel and big production teams. Their tactic is working well though because plenty of fans are accepting this 'apology' as if it was a huge favour and they were in the wrong for getting upset. It's a masterclass in how easily people fall for gaslighting. I'm just gonna go watch actual small, sustainable creators to feel better.
Felt the same way and commented on their video. People started shitting on me without understanding what I meant. 🤦🏻♀️
Same here. @lordessvoldemort2928
I’m glad for the partial back track. Not everyone that watches is 20-40 years old. I am a 65 year old woman on a fixed income who enjoys watching most of your shows. But I have to admit, honestly, another bill to watch a show I’ve grown to enjoy and laugh with would hurt. I will wait patiently for your UA-cam content and wish I didn’t have to wait so long lol. Seriously, thank you for the back track and most importantly the apology.
I think this was the plan all the time. Here's some milk that's expired 5 days. No, you don't like that. Ok, we can give you some milk that expres today. Yeah, you're happy now.
It's about the best they could do. I appreciate the courage it takes to stand up (or indeed sit down) and say we did this wrong and this wrong and we hear you were hurt by this and we are so sorry. To make the changes people were asking for. It couldn't have been easy. I will always respect someone who just says "I admit I made a mistake" more than someone who tries to weasel out of it. Putting it on main is so much braver than the classic Notes Apology we usually see.
However they REALLY need to put the work in on their Patreon to get it making "enough" money for what they want to do. Most people reacting on Reddit didn't even know they had one. It's going to take a lot to bring people back after all this. Maybe they might consider, I dunno, moving OUT of one of the most expensive cities in the world? Rent studio space elsewhere instead of trying to pass the cost on to fans. Use freelancers instead of staff until you have it all sorted out.
They desperately need to pay for a consultant of some kind to avoid this in the future and learn how to get their Patreon making money for them. It's severely under-utilized right now.
I was a watcher patreon member. Screw those guys. They don’t care about any of us, they really just want our money.
Honestly, I'm just glad I can still watch their content. I was baffled and sad by their announcement! Hilarious how glibly they were just like "byyyyyyeeeee". They DEFINITELY had a bad weekend.
yeah you can just tell how serious and tense they were from the whole vibe. honestly i got the vibe that they were extremely upset. steven felt pissed off, shayne more somber, and ryan i couldnt tell
It's made me not feel the same when I watch it now tbh
@@Crows_HoardRyan needs validation. In the sweetest way but he's not as confident in his abilities. He wants it to be good and for people to like it. Shane doesn't care and Stephen is too confident when he isn't even the main draw. Not in a hateful way, he just isn't
@@SkellyK1 that is so exact wow
It's all been really fascinating to watch. I've not seen a YT scandal play out in real time before. It's showed me how tribal social media is and other aspects of humanity I've not personally seen before. Truly fascinating and a good prompt for a bit of self reflection on my own "expectations" of the channels i follow and my behaviour online. Siliver lining and all that. Thanks for reporting on this, Dan👍
Too little too late. I call BS. They were talking about making bigger and better shows and now its "our employees deserve a fair wage" 😢. Thats on you bubs.
Plus the scripted influencer apology sounded so forced
Agreed, no where in the first video did they say that watcher wouldn't continue if its just on UA-cam or that they were facing layoffs. Now more of the truth comes out. They should have said "We overspent on a huge staff, production, and expensive travel shows and we thought people loved us enough that in screwing over our fans we'd still have the popularity needed to only cater to paying customers. But now that we see we've set our career on fire we're back. That's the actual truth and I don't see them owning this full and clear reality. They wanted to do things without having to answer to budget, fans, or advertisers. That's not how any business sustainably operates and that's fully on you guys. Sadly, I'm done with the ghoul boys.
Bet Steven's expensive ass food venture is 90% responsible for this mess.
Either Mr Grey is psychic or just using common sense. 😂
I think he sprinkled a little logic too. 😂
Mr Grey is secretly a wise wizard.
@@machector892 Totally 🧙♂
@@jenniferandrews8665 Most definitely 😁
Does once
When will we learn to not put our trust in companies?
Think they got a massive reality check. Maybe they will be more in touch with their community going forward.
I wander how many people didnt want to go to their tour in the UK after the first video.
I think someone at the company, whether it was Steven, Ryan, Shane, all three of them, or someone in a dedicated management position, badly misread why their fans watch their channel. I think people would still be perfectly happy if they cut the budget for their shows in half. We started out watching them basically talking in an office with a fold-out table and sleeping on the floor in a haunted house, and that's what people were there for. I can't blame anyone for not going back to the channel, I'm willing to give them a second chance because I love Ghost Files, Mystery Files, Puppet History, Too Many Spirits, Top 5 Beatdown and other shows they do, but I think they have lost a lot of goodwill, and I hope they take to heart why exactly that was.
They showed everybody what they actually think of their fans.
They did a stupid, but I am glad they are fixing it (cringe as it is). I don't mind waiting an extra month for content. Who knows, maybe I'll get a raise at some point and get to contribute to them. (doubtful, but one can hope).
Good for them to do kinda the "right" thing however I don't feel any sincerity behind what they are saying.
You called it 😁 A corporate apology if ever I’ve heard one 😁 It’s a shame when people or groups in any form of entertainment/the arts forget who got them there in the first place. I only know them through you talking about them in the past but haven’t watched them as I’m always behind in keeping up with the channels I’m already following. I was just catching up on your content when I noticed this update. With luck this will be a lesson and a warning to others. Anyway, I hope your week goes smoothly and the weekend is here before you know it. Love 💕and hugs 🫂 to you and your family 🥰💙🌹
I appreciate their response. I will continue to watch on UA-cam. Thank you for this news Mr Grey
I love Shane and Ryan and Watcher. I became a fan watching unsolved back in the pandemic. I'm glad they came to their senses, but i feel this still leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. That sucks as they are a very entertaining crew.
looks like they started to loose money eh ...bye boys .
Good apology, but disappointed at the lack of ukulele.
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Could you imagine they do a skit in the future where they pull out ukulele (or whip out a drum, percussion and guitar lol)?!
They got so much backlash, they updated to a new video with a whole bunch of eating crow & mea culpa. In brief, streamers get the video first, after 1 month it will be free on UA-cam
If they weren’t so tonedeaf, they could do it in the first place. I think they over estimated themselves very much.
And after this massive backlash, what should they do?
They trampled on their fans and patreons, but thought the fans would follow them as before. I hope this got them down from the high horses .
At least it is a compromise.
But I think many fans are so compelled by this behavior, that they quit all along.
This whole situation sincerely breaks my heart. They have gotten me through hard times and gave me years of entertainment. I even watched Worth it on Buzzfeed. I'm just sad. I'll have to consider what I want to do now.
They left Buzzfeed to become Buzzfeed. Astonishing.
An idea going forward, if entirely shows are Watcher Streamer exclusive, and continuing shows like Ghost Files and Mystery Files are made for both Watcher and UA-cam.
People's really need to take into consideration the amounts of money and time it takes to create even the simplest content video for everyone. They didn't handle the situation the best way they could've, but if people want good content then money is needed. Not everyone can be an awesome content creator and make awesome video all the time like mr grey, love the video's as always BOLLOCKS TO ALL
I totally understand why they are doing this and will still support them on their new platform. Im currently watching a few content creators on tiktok getting demonetized and understand not wanting to spend hundreds of thouaands investing into a business only to rely soley on someone elses platform. If they go down you have nothing left! Screw that. And not only that but if for some reason youtube or advertisers decides they dont like you anymore, youre screwed too.
The new idea about still bringing video's to youtube is good. If anything happens to youtube, theyll still be fine, people who cant afford to pay can still watch, works out for everyone!
I'm loving all these comments, Dandalf.
The problem is that these men want to create "TV quality content". If that's the case, wouldn't br easier to focus their energy and income to create one or two "highly quality" pilots and try to sell it to Netflix, Amazon or a TV network and continue to create UA-cam, that clearly is crearly not necessary to be on 4K. If they choose to burn money, they can't make their audience responsable for it.
Should have been their initial go like hey you can pay to have it early but if you want to watch it it'll be a bit later thats fine
This reminds me of the Try Guys video after Ned got canned.
ye, i saw a few comments on the video and twitter saying the same thing.
They look genuinely tired/stressed/worried, maybe even scared. I would like to believe that they learned a very important lesson. Sure, they could have 100% admit and say "we got greedy, the money we made got to our heads" (IF greed was indeed part of the motive) but at least they responded quickly, they did admit to their mistakes and apologized, this works for me.
From here it's up to them, it's gonna be hard to regain the trust they've lost but it possible to recover. Good luck to them.
Ty for the update #WorldofMrGrey 👍🏻 I always found their vids hit or miss. I can do without watching them. 🤷🏼♀️
I can imagine that they were so deep into their own reality with struggling with sponsors' demands and possibly also a certain number of fans who complained about the amount of ads they weaved into their videos, that they genuinely thought everybody would cheer for not having to deal with both their product placements as well as UA-cam's ad breaks any longer. Add to that a bit of pride and perhaps bad financial handling. Also, I believe they genuinely don't like Patreon, which is why they kinda overlooked the support they got from the people there.
That's my way of rationalizing it. I still don't believe they are inherently evil or greedy. Let's hope they've learned their lesson.
I’m from Los Angeles and the rents r very high. I think their rent is $3,000.00 to $5000.00 a mo. or more.
I had a feeling they’d do something like this. The original plan was stupid yes, but they’re not unreasonable. I don’t know their financial situation but it seems like trying to keep themselves afloat they were thinking too short term. Idk I’ve seen UA-camrs fuck up way worse than this to get too pressed.
They've lost over a quarter million subs so far from this fiasco. That's one heck of an expensive learning experience. I hope their new business venture pays off enough to offset that loss.
Well, I am impressed. I feel this is more in line with their true attitudes. They've always been really caring toward their audience. They're decent fellas and, I think they messed up for the first time to be honest. Hopefully people will be forgiving as they seem to have fully addressed everything.
A well done mea culpa
I can understand why The Watcher wanted to take their content to a different platform and be more in control because UA-cam is F.**king around with everyone .
Yeah, it could’ve of been handled better,
And,
I understand that it’s Shane & Ryan’s personalities that are front and centre , and one of the main reasons people watch,
However,
they also have a right to grow & want to improve,.
unfortunately, that costs $$$ 🤷🏻♀️
Lost the ghoul boys but gained Mr. Grey!
I am glad they are giving us a reason at least to get the membership
im too afraid to watch the update, for fear they are still going with their plan such potential.. possibly all lost
This reminds me of when the Fine Bros tried to copyright the word react 🤣🤣
I think the oddest thing for this is that they keep saying they cant afford stuff but then want to bring back a show about eating really expensive food.
Which would be fine but its not what people come to watcher for lmao, every person ive seen talk about this has said they either had no idea who stephen was or didnt watch his content because it wasnt of interest to them. it made it look like the platforms only goal was to let them make this one expensive show that not many people want to watch lol
I think it was a good apology and a decent plan. It's just WILD that they didn't think to do that to begin with. If they had PR, they should fire them. If not, they should use that new sub money to hire PR, lol.
LOL thought so... no one ever leaves UA-cam!
I applaud them for actually listening to their fans and fixing the issue!
I don't feel like watching anything of their's again. It's clear how out of touch with everything they are. They don't know how to run a business.
I stayed subbed so I wouldn't miss their inevitable apology video. I watched it. Then I unsubbed. Definitely will not be going back.
Literally now. Now I get a notification for this lmao
I’ve watched this channel for a while now, and IMO the Steven kid has to go. It seemed a lot more about fun and creativity until Steven started wanting gold-plated-everything. He’s going to run that channel underground (if he hasn’t already) if they don’t kick him to the curb. It’s going to be a *very* hard sell for me to continue watching their content, much less re-subscribing, as long as Steven is on their credits. Just my opinion. 🤷🏼♀️
You were right, butty. Takes a Welshman to talk sense ;-)😉
I live the boys, but some goodwill from the fans have been lost after this debacle.
It’s fine if the non-paying audience will have to wait for a month, but this will make you ask if just being ahead by a month is worth the bucks they are asking for.
They were to cocky in their delivery as far as I was concerned. To many times businesses do this, forget where the money comes from!!! We can do without you if you get cocky and try to gouge us, you are never so important that we can't walk away from you! Drop the god mentality, cause you are not nor never will be one!!! And remember us, the little guy that makes or breaks you.
ignorance....lol no apologize for your hubris
This was why I didn't unsub. I saw how bad the comments were, plus mine, and knew they had to backtrack and fix things FAST, or they'd go bust. Obviously scripted, but apology videos usually are. This setup they have really reminds me of the Try Guys one. It was amazing watching how fast the down votes were coming in. Last I saw was over 200k. I don't mind waiting a month (I only watch 2 or 3 things anyway), and those shows are kinda far between. But they did exactly what I'd said they had to. Though I'm sure they won't get a lot of the people back who unsubbed.
It's good they found a balance, I don't mind waiting an extra month.
I just hated the idea of not being able to watch anymore because I simply couldn't afford it. Like I said, if it's between them and things I actually need, the things that I need are going to win every time.
I just hope they learned a valuable lesson from this, and won't make similar mistakes in the future. I'm happy they listen to the community and valid complaints people had.
😀 people need to be understanding, they're getting older, they want to make it, and every youtuber has been complaining about youtube, they just done something about it, if people turn on them for that, they didn't really care about them, just what they got out of them. I have a life that I love, would I miss my youtubers, yes! I teared up when I thought you were leaving, because of my personal trauma, I stopped commenting because I felt unstable. But if you were happy, I would have been truly happy 😊❤.
I love how Steven was the one to say how ignorant they were of the cost 😂😂😂
naw, I unsubbed. Greedy youtubers thinking we owe them for making videos. 😂
It's not a genuine apology. There's no emotion there.... scripted. Booooo!
I was happy with their apology. I am going to sub to their new venture, I am lucky to be able to afford it.
The echo-box strikes again...
They said they didn’t want to lay anyone off, but whoever’s idea it was to do it this way should lose their job.
This was absolutely disastrous for them, and as a fan this wasn’t enough for me. Maybe I’ll stay subscribed, but 80% of their content isn’t for me. Like you, I only watch mystery files and ghost files.
Still kinda arrogant. Fans twisted their arms and forced them to do the right thing. They don’t seem to like it much.
Would you be happy after being shit on by everyone on social media for 3 days? Because I would not.
They said sorry and made adjustments to their decision. And that's that.
For all I know,they had unproblematic presence over the years on youtube. This one bad decision should be forgiven(of course it's each person individual choice), especially since many UA-camrs did far worse and still have a platform.
@@karolina285 Just an observation. And yes, their response is more mature and decent than that of many others. We’ll see how the damage control does, in practice.
@@mareli9211 true. Well we can only wait and watch what will come of it. To me there was no serious problem to begin with. I was surprised and sad they're leaving but not mad. My only issue was with the execution of informing us about their decision. And what was said about the cause of them leaving versus what they were doing (telling about lack of funds but announcing hiring two new people days before).
I still wished them all the best. And since now they corrected their decision I have absolutely no issue with them. But I get it how some people might still be mad and not convinced after all this.
@@karolina285 Personally, I wasn’t mad for myself, but I was mad for the hardcore fans. And the seeming attitude Watcher displayed. Going forward: Happy to watch the percentage of free content that appeals to me as it comes up!
@@mareli9211 oh yes. I was really shocked when I heard their Patreon members still had to pay to tune in to their new platform. That was ridiculous and shitty move on their part.
im glad they came out and apologized. it was a good apology. but after a massive screw up like that, you have mere hours to stop the bleeding before the fans go through the five stages of grief and decides to move on and they may have waited too long to say anything. people turned bitter. if they had gone with the plan outlined in their second vid from the get-go they would have been fine. hell, if they had come out and said directly to their viewers :"guys, we are struggling. we need your help. we will poll the audience and work on figuring out ways to bring in more income" they likely would have seen an outpouring of fan support and an increased subs. For me the worst part was honestly just trying to wrap my mind around the sheer number of illogical choices they opted for one after another. they somehow managed to confidently choose the "worst possible secret third option" at every turn. it dose not give me faith they can manage a business. i like their stuff and will warily give them a second chance but time will tell if they can save themselves from the hole. they lost a lot of monetary support by pulling this and a lot of burned people wont come back. which can very easily be a death sentence if they were already operating beyond their means.
Gotta be honest Dan, I’ve never heard of them. Are they legit or fake?
It’s all heavily dramatized, they’re trying to be like one of those old ghost hunting TV shows with a big budget
I don't know who these guys are tbh, from an outsider it looks like they had a business idea, if everyone was on board they wouldn't have made this video, to me this just looks like damage control (like I say I don't know who they are but that's how it comes across to me), anyway wish them and their fans well
You can tell Steven Lim has been crying for 2 days straight. Not even a joke.